From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:09am
Subject: RE: Re: Note icon/editor: (was Shadow Plan 2.7.13)

> Maybe space isn't an issue for those of you who have a hi-res device,
> but there are a lot of people out there who can't just walk out and
> plonk down 400-500 for a new PDA.
>
> As for me I'm still waiting for a decent hi-res phone/PDA... (on
> Sprint)
>
> Ken

Some are lucky to get a refurbished Device.  And think it is great.
($89 at TigerDirect, includes a KEYBOARD!)


I also am waiting.  I wish for Bluetooth to be more prevaliant.  I would
love to have a 16 (or 32!!!) mb color device.  I could care less about
Hires.  maybe I will after I get to use it, but I doubt it.  Gray scale is
working fine now.

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:17am
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

See below...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:
> I shall wish you luck!  I honestly think humans aren't meant to put
> everything in digital form.  There is a certain comfort level that
is
> attained by writing on paper, and seeing it in front of you.
> 
> Just today as I was writing on an old page from my page-a-day
calendar I
> thought "Why the heck aren't I putting this in digital form?"  The
only
> answer I came up with is that I must not trust my digital system. 
> 
> Personally I think what happens is when we input to digital form we
are
> too focused on getting the data into the right spot at the start. 
When
> we write on 500 post it notes, we have no care for where one note
fits
> into a whole hierarchy, but with digital it's different.  Perhaps
just
> having a "catch all" for input and then reorganizing, like we do
scraps
> of paper, would be more comforting. 
> 
<snip>

How can you *say* such things, in this day and age!  Shame on you! ;)

Comfort level ...my suggestion ... devise a foolproof, regular,
systematic backup scheme and then *stick to it*.  It takes the *fear*
away by letting you be certain *nothing* will get lost.

I am putting *everything* (except for schedule and journal) into
Shadow.  Just a change of habit.

Actually, to speak the *whole* truth, in spite of my efforts to use SP
all the time for note taking... I have to admit I still use Memos. But
at least that's still electronic and besides, I'm pretty sure that all
those people that say the memopad is useless, are all the ones who use
post-it notes. :)

I added the filing of memos to my end-of-day routine some time ago. 
The only ones I leave in there permanently are what I categorize as
"information" -- bits and pieces that might come in handy someday, but
don't apply to anything I'm doing.  A little library of likely to need
"how-to"s.

I dunno ... maybe I'll import those all into one SP file... :/


Ken

From: genice1130@a...
Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

Brother I second that motion
I already have a Shadow Plan database mimicking Memopad. I don't use memopad 
anymore thanks to Shadow
George
Baltimore

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:57am
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> 
> 	I hearby swear I will, as others have sworn, endeaver to use no
> more paper in my office. Like the Japanese TV show where the guy
lived in
> an apartment (unable to leave) and only getting food by winning
radio and
> television shows, I will use Shadow and my datebook for everything.
Time
> to start figuring out how to ditch the ToDo entirely, and I'll
scrawl no
> more little notes here or there. I'll start carrying my ultra thin
> keyboard, and efficiency *will* increase. We shall see!
> 

From one madman to another... That was my New Year's resolution.

Things I highly recommend:


(1) A good (fast, 200 dpi or above, 256 greysades or more) Scanner!

Not everything has to be electronically searchable, just locatable!
Most things I get in the mail, from other people, etc. that are on
paper are either (a) firewood, or (b) reference material.

If they are type (b), I scan it and file the paper in reverse
chronological order (I drop 'em in a tupperware bin after I scan 'em).
If I need the paper... its filed by date. (make sure date appears on
the scan image!)

There is very little you need to alter and reuse.  And if you find
you need to, OCR is getting really good these days!  Hence the 256
greys and 200 dpi.  It seems OCR works better with "fuzzy" letters
than it does with clear B&W images... something to do with smoother
line path approximation.


(2) Commit to being a "geek".

You wouldn't believe the number of comments I've gotten upon whipping
out my folding keyboard in a meeting.  Really! You'd think we'd be a
little more accepting these days! ;)

Actually, some people complement me on my "guts", others swear they'll
do the same, while others just call me "so high tech" and try to
ignore it.

To be honest, I wish I could afford the "head gear", with the belt
computer and the flip down screen over the left eye... just call me
"Borg" for all I care!  I'm just tryin' to keep my sanity in the
deluge people!


(3) Start a decent "cradle to grave" filing stategy

The only way you'll really ever find what you need again is by knowing
where you put it.

You not only have to know where to put it when you don't know where to
put it ... You have to know where to find it when you won't ever need
it again, but you *need* it again!

This includes a system for archiving things off to permanent storage
in addition to your regular backups.


(4) Index, Index, Index.

You also need to annotate in a consistent, yet extensible manner.

I've been going through all my icons lately to categorize them for
DBK5, just so I have room to expand each group.  And I'm giving them
names.  No, they're not pets!  They're words!!!  Key words, to be
exact, and I thought it was time I treated them like that.

Along the same lines, I'm keeping all my key words (non-icon) in Pop!,
so I have a record, and a backup and a consistent way to get to them.
 
Pop! ... not sure why I didn't realize sooner how great that tool
is... so simple.

In fact, the list of keywords is exactly the same as the names for my
icons.  Even though I can't keep icons in a hierarchical storage
system, I still treat them the same way.   Also creating the same
names as tags in SP.

A private dictionary of simple ordinary words that mean something
different to me.  So I have a defintion for each as well.


(5) Backup (Backup) ((Backup))

You know why, don't make me tell you!  ;)


Sorry about that ... it just had to come out somewhere :)
So much I've realized about myself lately... all the habits I *don't*
have, that I need.

Thought you might find the ramblings of some help...

Ken

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:31am
Subject: Re: Another filter question

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Ken Latham <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> 
> > I was thinking of two completely different types of filters. (a)
the
> > existing interface and (b) a "screen" (bear with me on this),
which
> > only allows referring to filters of type (a).
> 
> 	Damn, you're scaring me ;)

I'll take that as a compliment!  :)

> 
> 	OKay, this is pretty interesting. How about you bring it up in a
> few weeks or a month, after I get some more stuff into the desktop
and the
> Mac OSX people are celebrating, and my schedule is "open" :)
> 
> 	<Shatner>Can't...listen...to....Ken...</Shatner>


Put back?  I *can't* put it *back*!

Mutters to self -- *I'm* on information overload and *he* wants me to
stuff it back in there!  D*mnit, there's no room left! --

<attempts to make mental note ... Poom!... head explodes>


Ken

P.S.  Please! Don't stop working on the desktop because of anything I
say.  This shit just pops into my head and I got get *rid* of it
before it festers! ;)

From: Margit Curtright  <margit@s...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:34am
Subject: Mini-editor - new sibling

I don't know if this is something you're working on or not, or if it is
something that's already possible if you know the secret but what I really,
really want to do is, in the mini-editor:

save item
create sibling
re-display blank mini-editor

all with one tap.

I've been using Shadow for a couple months now and I still instinctively try
to tap a non-existent icon to do this! It just seems like a natural to me.
It would make entering several items to one list so much easier.


Margit






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From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:34am
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

> 
> How can you *say* such things, in this day and age!  Shame on you! ;)

LOL...it wasn't easy...but I just typed them, so it's not like they were
spoken ;-)

> Comfort level ...my suggestion ... devise a foolproof, regular,
> systematic backup scheme and then *stick to it*.  It takes the *fear*
> away by letting you be certain *nothing* will get lost.

Actually, it's not that I am afraid I will lose them from lack of
backup.  I'm lucky to have a really good backup scheme, one which has
saved me once or twice.

My fear of loss comes to that of forgetting things.  When I wrote
everything in my Franklin Planner, I knew nothing would be lost.  Life
was simpler then I admit, but I still had a lot of things going.

Something about he Palm, maybe there's too much space or something, has
me thinking I will put things in and forget them, or not find them when
I need them. 

I think it's due to complexity, and Shadow certainly doesn't help, with
all it's options and power.  (That's a good thing for Shadow)

> I am putting *everything* (except for schedule and journal) into
> Shadow.  Just a change of habit.

How many lists do you have?  How many projects or separate topics per
list?

> Actually, to speak the *whole* truth, in spite of my efforts to use SP
> all the time for note taking... I have to admit I still use Memos. But
> at least that's still electronic and besides, I'm pretty sure that all
> those people that say the memopad is useless, are all the ones who use
> post-it notes. :)

At least you are putting it in the Palm instead of on your desk.

> I added the filing of memos to my end-of-day routine some time ago.
> The only ones I leave in there permanently are what I categorize as
> "information" -- bits and pieces that might come in handy someday, but
> don't apply to anything I'm doing.  A little library of likely to need
> "how-to"s.

Quite an interesting idea...perhaps it's time to set Datebk5 to create
new memos by default.  Put everything in there and then process at the
end of the day.  Hmmmm

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:39am
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

> (2) Commit to being a "geek".
> 
> You wouldn't believe the number of comments I've gotten upon whipping
> out my folding keyboard in a meeting.  Really! You'd think we'd be a
> little more accepting these days! ;)

OK, but how loud is it?  I've always been one to shrug off keyboards as
being too expensive...but I think the real concern is that I will be
clickity-clackity all through a meeting.

> Sorry about that ... it just had to come out somewhere :)
> So much I've realized about myself lately... all the habits I *don't*
> have, that I need.
> 
> Thought you might find the ramblings of some help...

No need to be sorry...I think I have the record for rambling here, so
they'll shoot me, not you. ;-)

Self-realization is quite fun...just don't spend too much time doing it
or you will be too busy finding things to improve, rather than
improving.

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:40am
Subject: RE: Re: Another filter question

> Put back?  I *can't* put it *back*!
> 
> Mutters to self -- *I'm* on information overload and *he* wants me to
> stuff it back in there!  D*mnit, there's no room left! --
> 
> <attempts to make mental note ... Poom!... head explodes>
> 

Ummm, that's what ShadowPlan is for ;-)

> 
> P.S.  Please! Don't stop working on the desktop because of anything I
> say.  This shit just pops into my head and I got get *rid* of it
> before it festers! ;)
> 

Wait, we're allowed to swear in here? WOO HOOOOO <ROFL>

From: nscroggins sjpanther01@h...  <sjpanther01@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:57am
Subject: Regression?? Highlighting is lost

Jeff,

I have a selected item with a link to a ToDO (DateBk5). I tap on the 
link and I am taken to the Todo in DateBk5. I hit the 'Home' 
silkscreen to return back to Shadow. I am returned to SP without any 
item highlighted. This was a old problem that seem to went away a 
few versions ago, but is now back.

Norm

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:39am
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > How can you *say* such things, in this day and age!  Shame on
you! ;)
> 
> LOL...it wasn't easy...but I just typed them, so it's not like they
were
> spoken ;-)
> 
> > Comfort level ...my suggestion ... devise a foolproof, regular,
> > systematic backup scheme and then *stick to it*.  It takes the
*fear*
> > away by letting you be certain *nothing* will get lost.
> 
> Actually, it's not that I am afraid I will lose them from lack of
<snip>
> 
> I think it's due to complexity, and Shadow certainly doesn't help,
with
> all it's options and power.  (That's a good thing for Shadow)
> 

I know what you mean.  "Hiding in plain sight" is almost worse than
lost.

That's why, in spite of what GTD says, I create ToDo's for far future
and regular activities.  

That extends to making a memo on something that might be useful. 
Create an "archive" todo with a date two or three months out... to
remind yourself to use, archive, or delete the memo.

Each day I go though memos, then ToDos and *DO* something with each. I
either, do it, push it off, or mark it done without doing it.  I
*never* delete.  Done or not, I make a note in it at the top to
signify my thought at the time I "process" it.  

That way, I have a permanent archive (right now in Outlook PST files,
by year).  I also have active reminders for *everything*.

Make the Palm remind you!  Otherwise, what is it good for?

It kinda makes for a *large* ToDo list, but I use priority *very*
carefully to make sure the "reminder" notices don't get in the way.

DBK5's "floats" could do the job, but they clutter my schedule. And
reminders on appointments don't "float" at all.

After doing this for a while now, I've start to figure out how to get
the list down to a manageble size, but I *never* lose anything I'm
supposed to do. However, I may choose *not* to do some things at all!

Remember that if something, you don't think is important, *is*
important... it will come back to life by itself.
(at which point I create *2* ToDos, one for the action, another to
research my history on it.)


> > I am putting *everything* (except for schedule and journal) into
> > Shadow.  Just a change of habit.
> 
> How many lists do you have?  How many projects or separate topics
per
> list?
> 
<snip>

Closing in on 100.  Most are real projects, others are just
collections of information for an objective (just a kind of "personal"
project).

I'm starting to collect lists for entirely different purposes though.
 I'm on a real "unification" kick lately.  Maybe my mind has just
become too cluttered, but I'm convinced there's a synergy to be found
in the collection of tools I have at my command lately.

One that I've found lately, that is *really* working for me, is to use
Shadow as an "active projects list".  By this I mean I only keep a
list around in Shadow if I intend on doing something with it,
otherwise it goes to "On Hold" or "Archive" (directories on my PC).

I link every ToDo into Shadow, and divy them out amoung the projects.
 If the item stays in my "_Unfiled" file because I have no project for
it, then the SP record gets deleted when done, and the ToDo that went
with it falls to archive by itelf.  Other "done" ToDos fall to archive
with an SP origin string in them.  I never delete invalid links in SP
because that tells me I *had* a ToDo, and the entry gives me the name
to look it up in the archive.

So the ToDo "stream" gives me an activity history (as well as future
radar), SP is the master index tool to it all, and the SP origin
string system makes the indexing reversable.

I need Jeff to get mutiple list searching into the desktop pretty
badly at this point, but I hate to badger the guy!  ;)


Ken

P.S. I don't know if any of this helps, or even makes sense.  I swear
sometimes I come here to write these things out just as therapy! :)

From: nscroggins sjpanther01@h...  <sjpanther01@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:46am
Subject: Blank left column--why?

Is there a way to for the text of my list to start as far left as 
possible (first column)?  Right now, I have a headings and there 
appears to be one or two blank columns to the left of the 'title' 
heading.  Why can't all text be left-justified to begin on screen 
column 1?

Norm

From: nscroggins sjpanther01@h...  <sjpanther01@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:49am
Subject: Re: Regression?? Highlighting is lost

By the way, I'm using Shadow 2.7.13 on a Palm m515.

Norm

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "nscroggins 
<sjpanther01@h...>" <sjpanther01@h...> wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> I have a selected item with a link to a ToDO (DateBk5). I tap on 
the 
> link and I am taken to the Todo in DateBk5. I hit the 'Home' 
> silkscreen to return back to Shadow. I am returned to SP without 
any 
> item highlighted. This was a old problem that seem to went away a 
> few versions ago, but is now back.
> 
> Norm

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:00am
Subject: Confessions of madmen.. (Was Confessions of a madman..)

> That's why, in spite of what GTD says, I create ToDo's for far future
> and regular activities.

I'm about to reread GTD again, got the paper back version this time.  I
am convinced I am missing something from the first time I read it.

> 
> That extends to making a memo on something that might be useful.
> Create an "archive" todo with a date two or three months out... to
> remind yourself to use, archive, or delete the memo.

That's a good idea!  Might be good to stick into shadow-tips.

> 
> Each day I go though memos, then ToDos and *DO* something with each. I
> either, do it, push it off, or mark it done without doing it.  I
> *never* delete.  Done or not, I make a note in it at the top to
> signify my thought at the time I "process" it.

How long does this process take?  I'd imagine you have tons of memos,
and from your acknowledgement a lot of todos. 

> 
> DBK5's "floats" could do the job, but they clutter my schedule. And
> reminders on appointments don't "float" at all.

I use floats for "todo" items that are in the hard landscape.  In my
mind I prioritize them as things that MUST be done today. 

> Closing in on 100.  Most are real projects, others are just
> collections of information for an objective (just a kind of "personal"
> project).

How often do you review these files. How do you ensure there is a next
action out there from each project file?  I tend to get overwhelmed when
looking at my lists because there is all this hierarchy within each.
The hierarchy is needed to properly arrange projects, but it can
sometimes be challenging to quickly pull out the next action.

> I'm starting to collect lists for entirely different purposes though.
>  I'm on a real "unification" kick lately.  Maybe my mind has just
> become too cluttered, but I'm convinced there's a synergy to be found
> in the collection of tools I have at my command lately.

I'm finding I am starting to wrestle with the tools to make them do what
I want.  I have several different things I'd like to see Shadow do in a
couple different groups.  What's frustrating is that I won't know what
group of things will be put in because if Group A items get put in I
won't need group B items, if that makes sense.  

> 
> P.S. I don't know if any of this helps, or even makes sense.  I swear
> sometimes I come here to write these things out just as therapy! :)
> 
> 

I like to think discussions like this help some people.  I know I've
gleaned different ideas from reading the thoughts of other users, and
even some from reading my own. 

I think a bunch of what you wrote could be "cleaned up" into a bulleted
list and stuck in Shadow-Tips.

From: PocketGoddess  <groups@p...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:01am
Subject: Re: "Plonk"?

I'd LOVE something like that!
___
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

...... Original Message .......
>	Plonk will take all "passed" ToDo items, and move them up to
>"today". On OS5, it works in that you can tell it to plonk, and it'll
>work.
>
>	The trick is.. on OS4 and earlier, Plonk could do its job every
>night at midnight. It doesn't work with Os5.
>
>	Is there a replacement?
>
>	If not.. anyone interested? I could build such a thing.

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:23am
Subject: All checked commands and filters

Please pardon me if this has already been posted.
 
I was a bit shocked to find that the commands that reference "all
checked" do not respect filters.  So if I have a list with 10 items, 8
of them checked, but only 4 displayed because of the current filter, by
tag let's say, and use "Copy and uncheck all checked", all 8 items get
copied and then unchecked.  Is this by design?


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From: Steve Hill  <discuss@s...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:47am
Subject: Re: Re: Note icon/editor: (was Shadow Plan 2.7.13)

Hello Ken,

Sunday, February 23, 2003, 3:56:24 AM, you wrote:

KLctrc> Maybe space isn't an issue for those of you who have a hi-res device,
KLctrc> but there are a lot of people out there who can't just walk out and
KLctrc> plonk down 400-500 for a new PDA.

Just to clarify, I don't have a hires device. I use an m505 and am
happy with it at the moment. I too would like to be able to walk out
and plonk down that amount for a Tungsten, but can't.

However, I don't believe that excludes me from making a _suggestion_ for
an improvement to Shadow.

If you reread my post, you will see that I made several points about
space and how I save it (FontBucket, etc.) and also that, even without
this, my suggestion would take up a few pixels and nothing more, and
would also be configurable (if taken up).

I never intended for this thread to become a discussion on the
benefits or otherwise of hires, or a contest between those who have it
and those who don't. I'm sure there are many who have hires devices
who think my suggestion is stupid, and that's fair enough. As I said,
just a suggestion.

Any comments on the suggestion itself? Jeff?
-- 
Best regards,
 Steve                            mailto:discuss@s...

From: scnunes2@a...
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:36am
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

As we talk about putting more and more information into digital forms, I 
think the comments of an old IT manager (a die-hard IBM 3270 believer) that I 
knew are worth remembering -
 We can read the writings of the egyptions written on Papyrus paper from 
5,000 years ago, but it is very difficult to get the information off a 8 inch 
IBM displaywriter diskette (Remember the IBM diplaywriter?) made less than 20 
years ago....

Remember when Xerox promised us the "paperless office"?

From: anders thoresson  <listor@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:51pm
Subject: syncing with two computers

If I sync my m500 with two different computers, does it cause Shadowplan 
any problem? Is there anything special I should be aware of?

-- 
anders thoresson

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:41pm
Subject: RE: Mini-editor - new sibling

Margit,

Shadow already does this (kind of...)

If you start writing, the mini-editor will pop up, so your sequence is now:

Write item in mini-editor
Tap save button
Start writing sibling text


Regards,

Anthony


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Margit Curtright [mailto:margit@s...]
> Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:35
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Mini-editor - new sibling
> 
> 
> I don't know if this is something you're working on or not, 
> or if it is
> something that's already possible if you know the secret but 
> what I really,
> really want to do is, in the mini-editor:
> 
> save item
> create sibling
> re-display blank mini-editor
> 
> all with one tap.
> 
> I've been using Shadow for a couple months now and I still 
> instinctively try
> to tap a non-existent icon to do this! It just seems like a 
> natural to me.
> It would make entering several items to one list so much easier.
> 
> 
> Margit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: RE: Week view app

Jeff, any movement on the week viewer for appts, etc you were thinking
about?  Would love to have one that incorporates the vision you spoke about!
Kevin


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From: jaycotton101 jaycotton101@y...  <jaycotton101@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:40am
Subject: Bug causes items to be deleted (?)

Is this a known bug, or is it a bug at all....?  When you select an item or a list and then click the trash icon, it brings up the "Delete Item?" confirmation screen.  Then, if you ignore this screen and, for example, click the App Launcher silkscreen icon or one of the hardware buttons, Shadow goes ahead and deletes the item.  It seems to me that it would be more logical for the item to *only* be deleted if you click the "OK" button on the confirmation screen.

Just being a little picky because I love this program so much.

Jay

From: Malcolm Campbell  <malcolmc@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 0:15pm
Subject: Re: "Plonk"?

I've not used it for a while, but ToDoRoll (available on PalmGear) does
this, as well.

--- Malcolm

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] "Plonk"?


> I'd LOVE something like that!
> ___
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>
> ...... Original Message .......
> > Plonk will take all "passed" ToDo items, and move them up to
> >"today". On OS5, it works in that you can tell it to plonk, and it'll
> >work.
> >
> > The trick is.. on OS4 and earlier, Plonk could do its job every
> >night at midnight. It doesn't work with Os5.
> >
> > Is there a replacement?
> >
> > If not.. anyone interested? I could build such a thing.
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From: karjar358 karjar@s...  <karjar@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:50pm
Subject: 2.7.12 minor theme bug, and Request

Jeff, just noticed a little thing with the theme. If I have the days 
till due column showing, and the value is "0" or in the future, when 
the item is highlighted, that particular value does not bick up the 
theme. (ex, when highlighted value should go to white on blue, but 
this particular column stays the original text.) If the value is late 
and showing in red, then the red stays the same which is good.
Now a request, I tend not to date items until I want them assigned, 
or I know that they should be done by a particular date. Dates are 
assigned when I do my weekly review. However, whenever using a filter 
which involves the data field (late start, due, this week, etc.) all 
the undated show up as well. I am not sure what this forums views 
are, but I would find it much more useful when applying a filter, to 
get only the results I am looking for. that is, for items that have a 
date,apply filter. 
can't wait for 2.8 with the dpad functionality!.
jeff

From: Peter Bulthuis  <bulthuis@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:53pm
Subject: Problem with updating linkingcode

Hello,

When I link in Shadow a todo to the tododatabase, the linkingcode in
notefield stays at (0). Even when I quit Shadow an check it in DateBk5.
After when I start Shadow, opening the file and close it again, the
linkingcode is up to date. What is the way to make this code up to date
immediately?

Greetz,

Peter

From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:26:27 -0600, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:

>When
>we write on 500 post it notes, we have no care for where one note fits
>into a whole hierarchy, but with digital it's different.  Perhaps just
>having a "catch all" for input and then reorganizing, like we do scraps
>of paper, would be more comforting. 

I have recently implemented a "DiddleBug" system, using entirely free software
available at:

http://diddlebug.sourceforge.net

You scribble exactly as you would on a "post it note":

- " Joe Blow 555-1235 "
- " Gallon of Milk and Loaf of Bread "
- " Finish Mac OSX Desktop "

and then use the Diddlebug Plugins which allow you to graffiti or keyboard in
the data, and transfer it to any app that has a Plugin (yes, more than one of
us has requested a Shadow plugin be added).

The other piece of software needed is "WindleBug", another free program that
displays all the Diddlebug scribbles on Windows using the normal backup of the
Diddlebug database from hotsyncing, which is available at:

http://maksee.narod.ru/palm/wb/index.htm


--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:58pm
Subject: Sort Order

Okay, another small question for the group.
	Why do computers in general, and Shadow in particular sort alphanumeric in
the following manner:

Parent:  MTH 110
Children: Assignments

MTH 110
	Assignment 1
	Assignment 10
	Assignment 11
	Assignment 12
	Assignment 13
	Assignment 14
	Assignment 15
	Assignment 16
	Assignment 17
	Assignment 18
	Assignment 19
	Assignment 2
	Assignment 20
	Assignment 21
	Assignment 22

and so on?

Why is "it" doing this?  What can i do to get it sort the way that seems
right? (to me anyway) of ass 1 ass. 2 and so on?

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:11pm
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

sounds like slap, with alarms & a desktop version.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Stuart [mailto:kstuart@e...]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:38
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Confessions of a madman..
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:26:27 -0600, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:
>
> >When
> >we write on 500 post it notes, we have no care for where one note fits
> >into a whole hierarchy, but with digital it's different.  Perhaps just
> >having a "catch all" for input and then reorganizing, like we do scraps
> >of paper, would be more comforting.
>
> I have recently implemented a "DiddleBug" system, using entirely
> free software
> available at:
>
> http://diddlebug.sourceforge.net
>
> You scribble exactly as you would on a "post it note":
>
> - " Joe Blow 555-1235 "
> - " Gallon of Milk and Loaf of Bread "
> - " Finish Mac OSX Desktop "
>
> and then use the Diddlebug Plugins which allow you to graffiti or
> keyboard in
> the data, and transfer it to any app that has a Plugin (yes, more
> than one of
> us has requested a Shadow plugin be added).
>
> The other piece of software needed is "WindleBug", another free
> program that
> displays all the Diddlebug scribbles on Windows using the normal
> backup of the
> Diddlebug database from hotsyncing, which is available at:
>
> http://maksee.narod.ru/palm/wb/index.htm
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
> kstuart@e...
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From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Sort Order

On Monday 24 February 2003 18:58, Morgan Young wrote:
> Why is "it" doing this?  What can i do to get it sort the
> way that seems right? (to me anyway) of ass 1 ass. 2 and
> so on?

The sort algorithm uses alphabetic sort order; it doesn't 
treat the number part as numbers, which would need a 
different sorting algorithm.

Try using '01' instead of '1'. So write 'Assignment 01', 
'Assignment 02', etc.

That will help, because in alphabetical sort order, 
01 < 02 < 10.

- Robert

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Sort Order

Thank You very much.
That "Fixed" it


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert van der Kamp [mailto:robnet@w...]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:17
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Sort Order
>
>
> On Monday 24 February 2003 18:58, Morgan Young wrote:
> > Why is "it" doing this?  What can i do to get it sort the
> > way that seems right? (to me anyway) of ass 1 ass. 2 and
> > so on?
>
> The sort algorithm uses alphabetic sort order; it doesn't
> treat the number part as numbers, which would need a
> different sorting algorithm.
>
> Try using '01' instead of '1'. So write 'Assignment 01',
> 'Assignment 02', etc.
>
> That will help, because in alphabetical sort order,
> 01 < 02 < 10.
>
> - Robert
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From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Sequential project tasks

Just wanted to bring this one back into discussion, Jeff (y'know...
bugging you and all that...).

Can you look into setting up sequential tasks in Shadow? Check off one,
activate the next item (possibly as a link to a todo or datebook
appointment?)

Thanks!

Saludos,
Fred.

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 7:44pm
Subject: View/ Filter

Jeff,

  What are the odds of making a view or filter that will cross 
between databases?  Specifically, I want to see everything I have 
associated with a particular Tag, encompassing all of my files.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:21pm
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Griff wrote:

> I shall wish you luck!  I honestly think humans aren't meant to put
> everything in digital form.  There is a certain comfort level that is
> attained by writing on paper, and seeing it in front of you.

	I'm aiming for a 50-75% redunction in paper; surely you cannot top
using a scratchpad now and again, nor keeping a few printouts around.
Tactile and visual feedback is important.. I can't stand ebooks, because
normal physical paper books need no power, and just feel good :)

> Just today as I was writing on an old page from my page-a-day calendar
> I thought "Why the heck aren't I putting this in digital form?"  The
> only answer I came up with is that I must not trust my digital system.
> 
> Personally I think what happens is when we input to digital form we are
> too focused on getting the data into the right spot at the start.  When
> we write on 500 post it notes, we have no care for where one note fits
> into a whole hierarchy, but with digital it's different.  Perhaps just
> having a "catch all" for input and then reorganizing, like we do scraps
> of paper, would be more comforting. 

	An @inbox ;)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Using Shadow on Tungsten-T Palm OS 5

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> how about data? If I reinstall on the tungsten do you expect I can
> just use the old data files and preferences on the new device?

	Shadow data files yes, for sure. The "preferences" may be broken
(since they're stored by the OS). So you might have to install the data
files, and then enter your global prefs and registration code. The
datafiles are for sure 100% compatible of course, though.

		jeff

> 
> Bob Boudewyns
> Boudewyns@B...
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
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>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 4:10 PM
>   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Using Shadow on Tungsten-T Palm OS 5
> 
> 
>   On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
> 
>   > Does anyone have any experience with Shadow on OS 5, as on the
>   > Tungsten - t Palm? I've been unsuccessful in running it so far. See
>   > message below.
> 
>         Adding to what I've said already.. perhaps installing fresh (using
>   setup27.exe) woudl clear it up, or removing Shadow and installing it
>   fresh. The issue is probably OS4 baggage in some form or another, and a
>   good refresh may help clean it out. (For those curious, the OS4 to OS5
>   baggage is why Palm suggested everyone using a new hotsync ID.. leaves
>   most of the naughty stuff behind)
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:24pm
Subject: RE: New poll for shadow-discuss

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> Not sure I understand exactly what is being asked...

	Try List -> Collapse All, with and withotu a deep item selected.

		jeff

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> shadow-discuss group:
> 
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> it is made visible by expanding all the
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> selected item visible behaviour be
> suppressed? 
> 
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> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 genice1130@a... wrote:

> Brother I second that motion
> I already have a Shadow Plan database mimicking Memopad. I don't use memopad 
> anymore thanks to Shadow

	*g* Now we need a logo and sew-on-patch, a secret handshake and
club meetings.. so all the serious Shadow Elite (as they would call
themselves) (or Shadow Brainwashed as others would call us) can know each
other ;)

		jeff

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From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:28pm
Subject: RE: Sort Order

Alright, I changed the mentioned assignments to 01, 02, 03, and so on,
When I hotsynced, all my records changed to 12, everyone of them.  any idea
how that happened?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Ken Latham <clatham1@t...> wrote:

> Things I highly recommend:

	An interesting digression.. things people have in a successull
office.

	I need a new printer; I have an old 400dpi 10 year old printer
.. good, but squeeky and about to die I think. I have a pretty new
scanner.

	But I have been eyeing those combined units.. printer, scanner,
fax, copier. Obviously master-of-none, but I wonder how useful overall. I
could use a fax, for sure, and certainly a new printer.. so these are an
option.

	Of course, I hate the prospect of buying a printer, since of
course they make the ink costs outrageous now. And buying an all-in-one
means one part woudl break in a year, makingme need to buy all of them
again. Hekc, they'd not be a great printer for photos.. so I might need ot
get an all-in-one and a photo printer separately.

	Any suggestions?

> (2) Commit to being a "geek".
> 
> You wouldn't believe the number of comments I've gotten upon whipping
> out my folding keyboard in a meeting.  Really! You'd think we'd be a
> little more accepting these days! ;)

	*g* I used ot have a shoulder holster for my PDAs. That got me
into a lot of trouble sometimes :)

> (3) Start a decent "cradle to grave" filing stategy
> 
> The only way you'll really ever find what you need again is by knowing
> where you put it.

	Amen. I'm lucky.. I sarted a good digital filing system a decade
back, and stuck to it. So I have a mess of an inbox, but once I get it out
of the inbox, I'm set. The trick for me is the discipline to keep the
inbox moving to digital.

	I know I need to read the last half of GtD ;)

> (5) Backup (Backup) ((Backup))
> 
> You know why, don't make me tell you!  ;)

	Amen ;) I burn a CD every week.. it takes a few CDs to burn the
works.. so each week I burn a different section of my system.. so I have a
rolling backup system that is not too painful. At worst, an y one
component will be a month behind, at beats a few days. Pretty handy.

	Be afraid. I bet you don't know many people whose raw email
*text* is an entire CD. (Not including images, attachments, MS padding)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:34pm
Subject: Re: Mini-editor - new sibling

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Margit Curtright wrote:

> I don't know if this is something you're working on or not, or if it is
> something that's already possible if you know the secret but what I really,
> really want to do is, in the mini-editor:
> 
> save item
> create sibling
> re-display blank mini-editor
> 
> all with one tap.
> 
> I've been using Shadow for a couple months now and I still instinctively try
> to tap a non-existent icon to do this! It just seems like a natural to me.
> It would make entering several items to one list so much easier.

	Theres no room in the MI unless I make it a line taller :/

	(ie: The space on the right is scrollbar, and the space on the
bottom left is for a [N] button to jump to note editor.. not yet
available)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Regression?? Highlighting is lost

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, nscroggins <sjpanther01@h...> wrote:

> I have a selected item with a link to a ToDO (DateBk5). I tap on the
> link and I am taken to the Todo in DateBk5. I hit the 'Home'
> silkscreen to return back to Shadow. I am returned to SP without any
> item highlighted. This was a old problem that seem to went away a few
> versions ago, but is now back.

	It has always been thus.

		jeff

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From: tewkyep gsuper@v...  <gsuper@v...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Missing Progress Bar

Over the weekend I noticed that the progress bar on all the children 
in all my lists are gone.  I still have them on the parents.  I use a 
custom view, but it is the same way in the Tasklist view.  Any ideas?

By the way, I am using 2.7.13 on a M500 running 4.1.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Blank left column--why?

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, nscroggins <sjpanther01@h...> wrote:

> Is there a way to for the text of my list to start as far left as 
> possible (first column)?  Right now, I have a headings and there 
> appears to be one or two blank columns to the left of the 'title' 
> heading.  Why can't all text be left-justified to begin on screen 
> column 1?

	The very far left is for the expand/collapse arrow; make a child
item, and you'll remember why :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:38pm
Subject: Re: All checked commands and filters

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Griff wrote:

> Please pardon me if this has already been posted.
>  
> I was a bit shocked to find that the commands that reference "all
> checked" do not respect filters.  So if I have a list with 10 items, 8
> of them checked, but only 4 displayed because of the current filter, by
> tag let's say, and use "Copy and uncheck all checked", all 8 items get
> copied and then unchecked.  Is this by design?

	Few things honour filters; most things honour zoom level.

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note icon/editor: (was Shadow Plan 2.7.13)

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Steve Hill wrote:

> However, I don't believe that excludes me from making a _suggestion_ for
> an improvement to Shadow.

	I don't think he meant to offend; hes a good lad. And you
certainly have every right to post a suggestion.. I hope everyone knows
that this forum and my personal inbox are always open, and I promise to
always make the forums safe for everyone to post ideas. Never a book
burning here :)

> Any comments on the suggestion itself? Jeff?

	It is possible relatively easily; I would just prefer to avoid it
unless its genuinely desired by lots of people :) (which is not to say I
do not consider requests useful to only one person.. if its a good
request, it stands alone. However, I'mjust frightfully busy right now ;)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:43pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 scnunes2@a... wrote:

> As we talk about putting more and more information into digital forms, I 
> think the comments of an old IT manager (a die-hard IBM 3270 believer) that I 
> knew are worth remembering -
>  We can read the writings of the egyptions written on Papyrus paper from 
> 5,000 years ago, but it is very difficult to get the information off a 8 inch 
> IBM displaywriter diskette (Remember the IBM diplaywriter?) made less than 20 
> years ago....

	Or an Amiga floppy used 5 years ago ;)

	An archivist must always remember that one must backup the medium
with the reader.

	Programmers will appreciate this; many use RCS and CVS and SCCS
(etc etc) source control systems. There have been a few really hardcore
companies that do monthly full source tree checksin.. what makes this
exceptional is that these companies (like parts of former AT&T Bell
Labs) would do a "checkin", and that checkin would not only check into the
source tree the source, but the documentation, the *compiler tool chain*,
and the *operating system*.

	*Thats* hardcore :)

> Remember when Xerox promised us the "paperless office"?

	*g*

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:44pm
Subject: Re: syncing with two computers

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, anders thoresson wrote:

> If I sync my m500 with two different computers, does it cause Shadowplan 
> any problem? Is there anything special I should be aware of?

	Nope; Shadow Plan will be very happy here (on 2, 3, or 55
computers). Just make sure you're using Shadow Plan 2.6 or later on all of
them.

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:45pm
Subject: RE: Week view app

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> Jeff, any movement on the week viewer for appts, etc you were thinking
> about?  Would love to have one that incorporates the vision you spoke about!

	Not moved; got tied down with all the other stuff, and renewed my
dedication to both getting the Mac/Unix desktops out, and adding more
features to all desktops.

	I may worry about the week view and/or reporters in 2-3
weeks. Remind me :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:47pm
Subject: Re: Bug causes items to be deleted (?)

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, jaycotton101 <jaycotton101@y...> wrote:

> Is this a known bug, or is it a bug at all....?  When you select an
> item or a list and then click the trash icon, it brings up the "Delete
> Item?" confirmation screen.  Then, if you ignore this screen and, for
> example, click the App Launcher silkscreen icon or one of the hardware
> buttons, Shadow goes ahead and deletes the item.  It seems to me that
> it would be more logical for the item to *only* be deleted if you
> click the "OK" button on the confirmation screen.

	Its an issue with the OS; for "modal dialogs" (little alert type
windows), when you sneak out of the app and leave to another app, the OS
always selects the first button. Sadly, the first button is traditionally
the "do" button, while the cancel button is usually to its right :/

> Just being a little picky because I love this program so much.

	Glad you're so picky then :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:49pm
Subject: Re: 2.7.12 minor theme bug, and Request

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, karjar358 <karjar@s...> wrote:

> Jeff, just noticed a little thing with the theme. If I have the days 
> till due column showing, and the value is "0" or in the future, when 
> the item is highlighted, that particular value does not bick up the 
> theme. (ex, when highlighted value should go to white on blue, but 
> this particular column stays the original text.) If the value is late 
> and showing in red, then the red stays the same which is good.

	Days Till Due always uses Red or Green, if I recall right; theme
is never consulted. (ie: It never used the normal scheme).

> Now a request, I tend not to date items until I want them assigned, 
> or I know that they should be done by a particular date. Dates are 
> assigned when I do my weekly review. However, whenever using a filter 
> which involves the data field (late start, due, this week, etc.) all 
> the undated show up as well. I am not sure what this forums views 
> are, but I would find it much more useful when applying a filter, to 
> get only the results I am looking for. that is, for items that have a 
> date,apply filter. 

	Make a custom filter :) You can specify to suppress or show
undated items.

> can't wait for 2.8 with the dpad functionality!.

	Not too far away :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:51pm
Subject: Re: Problem with updating linkingcode

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Peter Bulthuis wrote:

> When I link in Shadow a todo to the tododatabase, the linkingcode in
> notefield stays at (0). Even when I quit Shadow an check it in DateBk5.
> After when I start Shadow, opening the file and close it again, the
> linkingcode is up to date. What is the way to make this code up to date
> immediately?

	Do a "save as" to force a save, then do *something* to change the
list (like opening item details, then hitting OK after changing nothing),
and then leave the list. ("save as" and leaving the list, etc, only save
if something has changed, and you need 2 saves.. the first to assign the
new item a unique ID, and the second to fill it in)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:52pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Ken Stuart wrote:

> I have recently implemented a "DiddleBug" system, using entirely free software
> available at:
> 
> http://diddlebug.sourceforge.net
> 
> You scribble exactly as you would on a "post it note":
> 
> - " Joe Blow 555-1235 "
> - " Gallon of Milk and Loaf of Bread "
> - " Finish Mac OSX Desktop "
> 
> and then use the Diddlebug Plugins which allow you to graffiti or keyboard in
> the data, and transfer it to any app that has a Plugin (yes, more than one of
> us has requested a Shadow plugin be added).

	So its like Slap, then?

	I would like to do a diddlebug thing; maybe at the same time I do
slap. Try bugging me end of weerk or beginning of next week.. I'm tied up
right now.

	(yet another death in the family. Its been a bad year :/)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:54pm
Subject: Re: Sort Order

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Morgan Young wrote:

> 	Why do computers in general, and Shadow in particular sort alphanumeric in
> the following manner:

	Why is a complex question.. but essentially..

	You can treat text as *text* or as *numbers*. If it has both,
your'e treating it as *text*.

	Now, for numbers, you and I both know that "1" is the same as
"  1" and "0000001". However, if you look at those as *text* they are
verry different (since the space is also part of text, as are the zeroes).

	So.. sorting the title is sorting as *text*.

	The space counts.

> 	Assignment 1
> 	Assignment 10
> 	Assignment 11
> Why is "it" doing this?  What can i do to get it sort the way that seems
> right? (to me anyway) of ass 1 ass. 2 and so on?

	Try "Assignment 01" .. it'll sort fine.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Sequential project tasks

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Frederick G. Turner wrote:

> Just wanted to bring this one back into discussion, Jeff (y'know...
> bugging you and all that...).
> 
> Can you look into setting up sequential tasks in Shadow? Check off one,
> activate the next item (possibly as a link to a todo or datebook
> appointment?)

	The real trick here is this..

	I could *easily* make it so you check off something in Shadow, and
it sends the next item to the todo (adds a link). We coudl define what
"next item" means, and we're done.

	However.. there is a showstopper which made me go "hmm" so I
didn't do it. It occurs to me now I could define the above rules better,
and might not be a problem.

	See.. we can't tell if you checked it off outside of Shadow. We
sync the changes in. So okay, yes, we could say "wasn't checked at sync in
time, and is now checked", but that could be a little flakey depending on
a few things (though it might work, I just need ot thin about it). If it
did work, we'd be in business.

	The last piece is.. what if you checked it in Shadow Desktop?

	Shadow Desktop cannot create links. It may in the future allow
requesting link to be made from the handheld.. so that would have to be
done first.

	So we could likely make it work if we trust peopel to turn it on
and not check from the desktop.

	Or if we cannot trust that, we'll have to create "request todo
link" in desktop before building it.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:00pm
Subject: Re: View/ Filter

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, dngrsone <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...> wrote:

>   What are the odds of making a view or filter that will cross between
> databases?  Specifically, I want to see everything I have associated
> with a particular Tag, encompassing all of my files.

	Not as a filter. I may build a separate reporter tool to do this
sort of thing.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:02pm
Subject: Re: RE: Sort Order

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Morgan Young wrote:

> Alright, I changed the mentioned assignments to 01, 02, 03, and so on,
> When I hotsynced, all my records changed to 12, everyone of them.  any idea
> how that happened?

	Hmm. You must have linked one of them to ToDo,and then copied ot
ti clipboard, and then pasted all of them from it, and then changed their
text. By doing that, then when you left the list, and returned to it, they
woudl all pick up the details from the same linked object (since they're
all linked to the same item, since you created the link from before the
copy)

	However, you woudl likely have noticed that since it would've
occured leaving and entering the list.. a hotsync wouldn't be necessary. I
can't see offhand a hotsync causing them to all be the same.

	Was I by chance half right, above?

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Missing Progress Bar

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, tewkyep <gsuper@v...> wrote:

> Over the weekend I noticed that the progress bar on all the children 
> in all my lists are gone.  I still have them on the parents.  I use a 
> custom view, but it is the same way in the Tasklist view.  Any ideas?
> By the way, I am using 2.7.13 on a M500 running 4.1.

	There is an option to suppress progress bars on children, I
think; check the list prefs.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jim Anderson  <jima@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 841

At 02:47 PM 2/24/2003, you wrote:
> > Remember when Xerox promised us the "paperless office"?

Yup.  We're starting with the bathrooms...

From: tewkyep gsuper@v...  <gsuper@v...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:16pm
Subject: Re: Missing Progress Bar

I do have "Suppress autocheck" selected.  I did that because I don't 
want the parent to be checked every time the children are all checked 
(sometimes I don't have time to write down all the tasks).

That is the only thing close in the list prefs.  

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, tewkyep <gsuper@v...> wrote:
> 
> > Over the weekend I noticed that the progress bar on all the 
children 
> > in all my lists are gone.  I still have them on the parents.  I 
use a 
> > custom view, but it is the same way in the Tasklist view.  Any 
ideas?
> > By the way, I am using 2.7.13 on a M500 running 4.1.
> 
> 	There is an option to suppress progress bars on children, I
> think; check the list prefs.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:17pm
Subject: RE: RE: Sort Order

sorry to reply to my own message, but....
I figured out what something did.
when you enter a child, exactly the same say Assignment 01 thru any number,
it changes all the entries to the number of the total of children on that
level, 19 in this last instance, 12 in the time period before.
is this supposed to do this?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morgan Young [mailto:morgan@p...]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 14:29
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] RE: Sort Order
>
>
> Alright, I changed the mentioned assignments to 01, 02, 03, and so on,
> When I hotsynced, all my records changed to 12, everyone of them.
>  any idea
> how that happened?
>
>
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From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:23pm
Subject: RE: RE: Sort Order

> 	Was I by chance half right, above?
>
> 		jeff


You got the Procedure right.  but why did it do it with the 2 diffrent
numbers of assignments?

Thank you for your help.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Missing Progress Bar

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, tewkyep <gsuper@v...> wrote:

> I do have "Suppress autocheck" selected.  I did that because I don't 
> want the parent to be checked every time the children are all checked 
> (sometimes I don't have time to write down all the tasks).
> 
> That is the only thing close in the list prefs.  

	Ahh, sorry, its a global pref under Display. Really should be a
list pref.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:27pm
Subject: RE: RE: Sort Order

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Morgan Young wrote:

> sorry to reply to my own message, but....
> I figured out what something did.
> when you enter a child, exactly the same say Assignment 01 thru any number,
> it changes all the entries to the number of the total of children on that
> level, 19 in this last instance, 12 in the time period before.
> is this supposed to do this?

	I can't follow what you're doing; when you create a new item, it
never changes the others around it.

	What exact steps are you doing?

		jeff

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morgan Young [mailto:morgan@p...]
> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 14:29
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [shadow-discuss] RE: Sort Order
> >
> >
> > Alright, I changed the mentioned assignments to 01, 02, 03, and so on,
> > When I hotsynced, all my records changed to 12, everyone of them.
> >  any idea
> > how that happened?
> >
> >
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From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: RE: Sequential project tasks

Jeff:

> 	I could *easily* make it so you check off something in 
> Shadow, and it sends the next item to the todo (adds a link). 
> We coudl define what "next item" means, and we're done.

> 	See.. we can't tell if you checked it off outside of 
> Shadow. We sync the changes in. So okay, yes, we could say 
> "wasn't checked at sync in time, and is now checked", but 
> that could be a little flakey depending on a few things 
> (though it might work, I just need ot thin about it). If it 
> did work, we'd be in business.

That's kind of the way it works in my head (IANAC :); when entering
Shadow, the program would parse and discover newly checked items from
the last time it saved status (assuming Shadow saves its status at every
exit). This would then activate those sequentially triggered items...

> 	The last piece is.. what if you checked it in Shadow Desktop?
> 
> 	Shadow Desktop cannot create links. It may in the 
> future allow requesting link to be made from the handheld.. 
> so that would have to be done first.

Could it not be done the same way? See desktop as an external program,
and when checking it in, trigger the "sequentiality"?

> 	Or if we cannot trust that, we'll have to create 
> "request todo link" in desktop before building it.

If the above suggestion doesn't work, then this would make sense.

Then again, maybe we're making this more complex than it has to be?

Fred.

From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:42pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:21:21 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:

> I can't stand ebooks, because
>normal physical paper books need no power, and just feel good :)

That's because you blew it and bought the Tungsten-T instead of the NX60. :-)

After getting an NR70, I now prefer to read DOC file versions of books even
though I have the paperback or hardcover of the same title sitting right next
to me.

For one thing, I have a half dozen of the books that I "really want to read
next" on my memory card, taking up no more bulk or weight than if I had none.

Secondly, I find the text on the Sony 320x480 screen to be easier and more
pleasant to read than either text in physical books, or text on a PC monitor.

Third, I don't ever need a light to read by, which has to be the right
brightness and angle.   And, I can just tap on the bookmark icon instead of
trying to find a paper scrap which then falls out losing my place.   I've never
liked "auto scroll", but for those who do, you certainly can't do that with a
paperback...


--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:00pm
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

OK, I know you think the idea is stupid...but have you ever thought of
selling ShadowPlan, or CodeJedi merchandise.  Probably wouldn't wear a
t-shirt, but I'm sure I'd buy a mug, a stylus, or some such.

> 
> 	*g* Now we need a logo and sew-on-patch, a secret handshake and
> club meetings.. so all the serious Shadow Elite (as they would call
> themselves) (or Shadow Brainwashed as others would call us) can know
each
> other ;)
>

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:15pm
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

> 
> > I can't stand ebooks, because
> >normal physical paper books need no power, and just feel good :)
> 
> That's because you blew it and bought the Tungsten-T instead of the
NX60.
> :-)

I'd agree with that.  Something about the 320x480 screen makes reading
so much better.

> For one thing, I have a half dozen of the books that I "really want to
> read
> next" on my memory card, taking up no more bulk or weight than if I
had
> none.
> 

I think some of it might be dependant on what types of books one reads.
I generally only read time management/self help/organization books.  If
I were big into fiction, I think I'd want the paperback.

I'll even admit to being a super-geek and putting my NR70 inside a
ziplock once to take into the tub with me so I could read.

> 
> Third, I don't ever need a light to read by, which has to be the right
> brightness and angle.   And, I can just tap on the bookmark icon
instead
> of
> trying to find a paper scrap which then falls out losing my place.
I've
> never
> liked "auto scroll", but for those who do, you certainly can't do that
> with a
> paperback...
> 

The light thing is the biggest advantage IMO.  Never have to reach up
and turn off the light.  You can read in different positions and not
worry about how the light will be.

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:16pm
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

That is certainly one point of view, as i also keep ebooks on my Tungsten
and have no problem reading them.  However, I still prefer to sit down with
a real live book, my cafe mocha, under a reading lamp, maybe some jazz
playing or the fireplace in winter, and read away.  Nothing quite compares
to the real thing, so to speak!  
Enjoy,
Kevin
 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stuart [mailto:kstuart@e...] 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:42 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Confessions of a madman..


On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:21:21 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell
<support@s...>
wrote:

> I can't stand ebooks, because
>normal physical paper books need no power, and just feel good :)

That's because you blew it and bought the Tungsten-T instead of the NX60.
:-)

After getting an NR70, I now prefer to read DOC file versions of books even
though I have the paperback or hardcover of the same title sitting right
next
to me.

For one thing, I have a half dozen of the books that I "really want to read
next" on my memory card, taking up no more bulk or weight than if I had
none.

Secondly, I find the text on the Sony 320x480 screen to be easier and more
pleasant to read than either text in physical books, or text on a PC
monitor.

Third, I don't ever need a light to read by, which has to be the right
brightness and angle.   And, I can just tap on the bookmark icon instead of
trying to find a paper scrap which then falls out losing my place.   I've
never
liked "auto scroll", but for those who do, you certainly can't do that with
a
paperback...


--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...


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From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:22pm
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

Hmm, I may have to check DB out should we get a Shadow plug-in.

I actually implemented a fairly simple but new strategy this weekend.  

Since I'm using Datebk5 to filter by context, I am usually in that
program rather than Shadow.  I used to use the New button enter a todo
in the category @Inbox, and then I'd go to Shadow and perform new-froms.
It could get a bit confusing if you had a lot of new inbox items.

Instead, I created a template that creates a new todo with [[[Inbox]]]
in front of the text. A simple tap on the 'T' in Datebk5, and a tap on
the template and I can start writing, though I generally use the notes
field to do my writing, and then put relevant info in the title field.
A simple import marked todos and everything goes into my shadow Inbox
file. 

Would love a way to do a mass unlink/delete todo within Shadow, because
once the item is in Shadow, I no longer need the todo item until I am
ready to activate it with a new category. 

This method should do quite nicely until we get Shadow Today, or
item-item linking comes our way so I can use Shadow more than Datebk5. 

> >When
> >we write on 500 post it notes, we have no care for where one note
fits
> >into a whole hierarchy, but with digital it's different.  Perhaps
just
> >having a "catch all" for input and then reorganizing, like we do
scraps
> >of paper, would be more comforting.
> 
> I have recently implemented a "DiddleBug" system, using entirely free
> software
> available at:
> 
> http://diddlebug.sourceforge.net
> 
> You scribble exactly as you would on a "post it note":
> 
> - " Joe Blow 555-1235 "
> - " Gallon of Milk and Loaf of Bread "
> - " Finish Mac OSX Desktop "
> 
> and then use the Diddlebug Plugins which allow you to graffiti or
keyboard
> in
> the data, and transfer it to any app that has a Plugin (yes, more than
one
> of
> us has requested a Shadow plugin be added).
> 
> The other piece of software needed is "WindleBug", another free
program
> that
> displays all the Diddlebug scribbles on Windows using the normal
backup of
> the
> Diddlebug database from hotsyncing, which is available at:
> 
> http://maksee.narod.ru/palm/wb/index.htm
>

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:23pm
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

These are the moments of our lives....

- Jean Luke

> That is certainly one point of view, as i also keep ebooks on my
Tungsten
> and have no problem reading them.  However, I still prefer to sit down
> with
> a real live book, my cafe mocha, under a reading lamp, maybe some jazz
> playing or the fireplace in winter, and read away.  Nothing quite
compares
> to the real thing, so to speak!

From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:35pm
Subject: <