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| 9501 |
From: Ken Stuart <kstuart@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 10:37pm
Subject: Re: How to use Shadow as mentioned in Getting Things Done
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:55:17 +0100, "Peter Bulthuis" <bulthuis@c...>
wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'am reading Getting Things Done from David Allen. He gives a lot of useful
>tips about getting things done quickly. Now, I want to integrate his ideas
>in Shadow. But, what's the best way to do that? Are there people on this
>list, using David Allen's method with Shadow?
Actually, there is a different list for that (although you might also want to
use this list for discussing minor details in Shadow implementation).
That other list can be found at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm
where GtD_Palm stands for " [implementing the book] Getting things Done [using
a] Palm [OS device]".
PS The site above has archived files and posts about implementing GtD using
Shadow Plan.
--
Cheers,
Ken
kstuart@e...
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| 9502 |
From: aschell98 aschell@p... <aschell@p...>
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 10:38pm
Subject: Re: Creating new links?
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> it'll switch to the ToDo application (or whichever youv'e set) and
tell it
> to load up that item. You can set up a preferred application for
todo,
> datebook, memo and address gotos. WordSmith doesn't understand any
of
> those, so it can't receive the gotos. (It only knows DOC files)
>
> jeff
Actually, setting Wordsmith as the memo goto app works fine. Since
Wordsmith works as a Doc and Memo editor, it knows to use the memo
database when it gets a memo call.
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| 9503 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 10:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
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While its a good idea not to take these discussions too personally, the
first rule of brainstorming is that no idea is wrong or "not as good" as
another. You can miss exceptional innovations by dismissing an idea as
"fluff". Just food for thought.
Scott
Ken Stuart
<kstuart@e... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
net> cc:
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the
02/06/2003 desktop...
04:34 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:32:46 -0000, "fehrmantool <edf@f...>"
<edf@f...> wrote:
> BUT please lets not call some of
>the ideas being discussed "fluff". One man's "fluff" is another
>mans "critical function".
On the other hand, an idea is NOT a person.
No idea is ever proven, it simply has a consensus in society or it doesn't
(cf
the Flat Earth people).
I've searched, but I can't find anything more dangerous and destructive
than
when people identify with ideas, when they say "I am that idea".
It seems to me that 9/11 was directly caused by that.
So, if someone says that an idea is "fluff", it is not the same as saying
that
person is "fluff".
But then again, these are all just my ideas...
--
Cheers,
Ken
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| 9504 |
From: Peter Bulthuis <bulthuis@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 10:53pm
Subject: Re: How to use Shadow as mentioned in Getting Things Done
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Thanks for the tip!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Stuart" <kstuart@e...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Peter Bulthuis" <bulthuis@c...>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] How to use Shadow as mentioned in Getting
Things Done
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:55:17 +0100, "Peter Bulthuis" <bulthuis@c...>
> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I'am reading Getting Things Done from David Allen. He gives a lot of
useful
> >tips about getting things done quickly. Now, I want to integrate his
ideas
> >in Shadow. But, what's the best way to do that? Are there people on this
> >list, using David Allen's method with Shadow?
>
> Actually, there is a different list for that (although you might also want
to
> use this list for discussing minor details in Shadow implementation).
>
> That other list can be found at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm
>
> where GtD_Palm stands for " [implementing the book] Getting things Done
[using
> a] Palm [OS device]".
>
> PS The site above has archived files and posts about implementing GtD
using
> Shadow Plan.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
> kstuart@e...
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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| 9505 |
From: ROYLE Anthony <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 11:01pm
Subject: RE: Re: Secondary Text Field
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> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Timothy Woerner <TEWoerner@m...> wrote:
>
> > A quick button on the screen to expand or collapse would be great.
>
> Both desktop and handheld have a few ways of quick
> expand/collapsing... did I miss something in the conversation? :)
>
It's the expand and collapse of the tags/links, not children. The only way I've found to do it is have the link column visible, and it's a submenu option on that. It was bugging me because I knew SP could expand the tags to all be visible in the listview, but since I rarely have the link column visible, I couldn't work out how to do it!
Anthony
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| 9506 |
From: veb8 veb8899@f... <veb8899@f...>
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 11:06pm
Subject: Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
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--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "fehrmantool <edf@f...>"
<edf@f...> wrote:
> I know all of us have different needs, some of us are handheld-
> centric... some are desktop-centric BUT please lets not call some
of
> the ideas being discussed "fluff". One man's "fluff" is another
> mans "critical function".
>
Hi Eric
As another person who wants more action on the desktop side, you make
some excellent points. I know my thinking was as I was seeing all
these features added to the handheld side, that it seemed to be way
beyond what any other palm outlining program had so therefore, it
must be fluff. But of course, that is not correct as you so
rightfully point out.
I also greatly appreciate how tactful you were. YOu recognized the
various needs of the listmembers while pointing out what you still
needed the handheld side of Shadow to do for you and why it
wasn't "fluff". It is a skill that many people could learn.
Vivian
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| 9507 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Feb 6, 2003 11:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 smasters@a... wrote:
> While its a good idea not to take these discussions too personally,
> the first rule of brainstorming is that no idea is wrong or "not as
> good" as another. You can miss exceptional innovations by dismissing
> an idea as "fluff". Just food for thought.
Besides, I have been a Flat Earther ;) (and a "Pave the Earther",
"Chrome the mooner" and "chrome the moon and fire it from a giant
tuber"). Ahh, back in the day ;)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9508 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:37am
Subject: RE: Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
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Here's some fun reading as I close in on a long, tired, full of late nights
week.mainly for Viv, Scott, and Eric, but for all since we all read the
posts! And Ken, I do always appreciate your insightful thoughts.keeps my
mind and eyes more open in life.thanks!
Funny responses that I read below and not below about my use of the word
"fluff", as there are always a few that won't like the wording no matter how
it is said! If you have been around this forum as long as I have, obviously
you know I love Jeff's product and have pushed it in many places outside
this forum, and have never had a problem with ideas to improve or enhance
this product. Of course it's true that one person's (surprised someone
didn't complain that Eric said one "man's") fluff may be another person's
critical function, and if you read my entire post that point was made. To
now take one line without the rest of the context to criticize the use of
the word fluff misrepresents what was stated.
I personally will never use the desktop as much as the handheld, but still
believe those that have waited soooo long for desktop improvements now days
far outnumber those making some of these recent personal "critical"
requests. We could likely find uses for years to come that someone calls
critical to what they do, but at some point we have to be honest and admit
that items that serve a very small percentage of people are more "fluff" to
most users, or whatever word you want to put in place that is synonymous
with fluff. My point was not, as stated below, that an item was fluff
merely because it was beyond what other programs contained, but I was
referring to it as such because we are getting into items that few use
compared to the majority. I notice fewer now are pushing their "critical"
items compared to the far greater number of responses and input in the days
when there was less in this program. Do you continue to please 3-4 people
over many others, and for how long?
I know from my readings in other forums that many people were enthused and
talking about the upcoming Shadow desktop development, and since then the
enthusiasm has declined and now the discussion is all about the alternative
desktops. When people continue to buy the other products then overall less
will buy Shadow desktop, and of those many will not switch after paying for
one and putting in that start up time. Again, I am in business for myself
now days too and consideration must be given to where your market share
resides as a factor in marketing, assuming profit is one of the motives in
your business pursuit.
I call it fluff, you call it a necessity or critical, or you call it
something else.the reality is, too few want all the new suggestions compared
to the numbers wanting desktop improvements! I don't "need" more in the
handheld for now, even though a few items I might like.I don't use the
desktop version any more so that doesn't bother me.but the discussion about
the new add-ins or add-ons bores me personally, frustrates desktop users,
and pleases a few. It's a marketing choice for Jeff, but I would have made
that turn right after the holidays, let word out about that turn, and began
to generate enthusiasm when the desire was more at a peak.
Ah, I feel better.fluff, fluff, fluff. That tactful enough! ; ) Ok, that
is my rant for the week about marketing, as my first few weeks of this month
focus on my personal marketing strategy for the year.
Enjoy,
Kevin
Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
831/722-4500
831/419-7551
-----Original Message-----
From: veb8 <veb8899@f...> [mailto:veb8899@f...]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:06 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "fehrmantool <edf@f...>"
<edf@f...> wrote:
> I know all of us have different needs, some of us are handheld-
> centric... some are desktop-centric BUT please lets not call some
of
> the ideas being discussed "fluff". One man's "fluff" is another
> mans "critical function".
>
Hi Eric
As another person who wants more action on the desktop side, you make
some excellent points. I know my thinking was as I was seeing all
these features added to the handheld side, that it seemed to be way
beyond what any other palm outlining program had so therefore, it
must be fluff. But of course, that is not correct as you so
rightfully point out.
I also greatly appreciate how tactful you were. YOu recognized the
various needs of the listmembers while pointing out what you still
needed the handheld side of Shadow to do for you and why it
wasn't "fluff". It is a skill that many people could learn.
Vivian
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| 9509 |
From: kdm_hvcrrcom kdm-yahoogroups@h... <kdm-yahoogroups@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:47am
Subject: Re: Suggestions
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--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> Rather than make it inconssitent (sometimes it works,
sometimes it
> doesn't) we put it in the note. It always works.
Ah, well. Logic usually wins. I hadn't thought about it that way.
> Nope; when going from one computer to another, they don't
> synchronize. Also, it is nearly impossible to do halfway well..
consider..
> you mean have synced at desktop home, then desktop work, then
laptop, and
> then friends PC (say, contrived example), then abck at home. What
is it
> supposed to do? It certainly cannot synchronize ;)
Well, when I say that, I'm thinking of the datebook; I can make
additions on multiple computers (home and work), and they get picked
up. If the changes conflict, I get a warning. I can see that being
difficult, though.
Perhaps another possibility, then, would be to allow me to sync a
certain subset of my outlines with one PC, and another subset with a
different one.
> Changing the default to keep both sides coudl be wise
though, as
> that is the common. ITs the way it is by popular request, but that
could
> be a mistake... but the syncing between multiple machines is dead
on palm
> os standard.
I'd definitely argue for changing the default, as it is standard for
the palm platform.
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| 9510 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 3:06am
Subject: Outlook Macro
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Does anyone know how to make a macro for Outlook that puts [[[file name]]]
at the beginning of a task name to utilise the import marked ToDos?
If you do, can you tell me how to do it?
TIA
Rita
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| 9511 |
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Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 6:13am
Subject:
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| 9512 |
From: Ken Latham clatham1@t... <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:11am
Subject: Re: Shadow on Handshigh? ITs true!
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--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:
> Not really true...you can log everything down during the course of
the
> day and process at night, or whenever. Simply go back, highlight an
> action item, and send it to ToDo.
>
>
> >
> > Slap as an inbox looks really cool, but as I've read in the posts
> > here, you can't defer decision ("Process") until a later time,
i.e.
> > you have to decide what a particular action is at the moment of
entry.
> > This runs counter to standard GTD practices.
> >
Not a very "safe" interface though. One slip tapping one of the
destinations and say bye bye to eveything you wrote (beyond what it
parses that is).
This is exactly what happended to me when I was trialing it. "Loaded
guns" I don't need!
Ken
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| 9513 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:52am
Subject: Alternative to item-item links (GTD using Shadow only)
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I spent some time this early morning, playing with Shadow...something
everyone should do every few months, just to explore the features.
As a refresher, my use for item-item links will be to better implement
the principles of GTD (Getting Things Done). Currently I use multiple
lists to track projects, and I link my next actions in each project to
the todo database, setting the category for context, @Computer for
example.
I then use a series of views in Datebk5 to filter my todo items by
context, for example @Home will show todos from @Computer, @Phone,
@Home, and Anywhere.
My goal is to remove the use of a third party app for viewing my list by
context. I want to keep everything as Shadow-centric as possible. I've
also realized that I really only need the Datebook application for an
overview of what appointments I have for a day, and for alarms. Alarms
will sound regardless of the application I am in, so I can stay in
Shadow all day, and only look at the Datebook at the start of the day.
My thoughts for item to item linking were to link items to a Shadow
file, called Next Actions, or some such. The linked items would carry
over their tag information, and I could then create filters within
Shadow as I did the views in Datebk5. When I checked off something in
my Next Actions, it would then be checked off in the master list.
I realized tonight we already have a weird way of creating such a sync.
Let's say we have two lists, Projects, and Next Actions. Within
Projects I link the next action items to todo by tapping the todo
checkbox I have visible.
I then apply a custom filter called ToDo, which is defined as "todo link
present"=true and "checked"=false.
Then I check off each item as if it were completed, go to the Edit menu,
select "Copy & Uncheck All Checked", and finally go back to the Edit
menu and select "Send to File" with the file choice being Next Actions.
(NOTE: You can also use the C -> Send to File option for the last step.)
Once this process is complete for all Project files, I can spend my time
in the Next Actions file. The Next Actions file has filters defined
similar to the Datebk5 views I've setup. I have a list of all my next
actions, from all projects, with their tags, filtered by context. When
I complete an item, I simply check it within the Next Actions list,
which checks it in todo. When you re-enter the original project file,
the item will pickup the checkmark from todo and be checked.
So, I am using the todo database, but not the actual program.
I see two problems with this method:
1. It takes a lot of taps. I will have to try it for a couple days to
figure out if it is worth it. I think the time it saves me switching
between apps will make up for the taps. In reality, it is one tap more
per item linked, plus four additional taps for the edit menu.
2. Once you complete one action within a project, you should activate
another to keep everything going. I think I will tackle this by
creating Tags equal to my Project file names, and setting them as
primary. Then I will make a note of which file the item came from by
reading the tag, check the item, visit the project file and activate the
next task, returning to my Next Actions file.
Obviously item to item linking would make this all simpler. Would save
a bunch of taps and take the todo database out of it. In my vision of
I2I, you'd have a checkbox, similar to the todo checkbox, that would
link the item right to a predefined (list prefs) file. Obviously all my
links would go to Next Actions.
Within next actions, I could follow the link back to the projects file,
check the item, and activate the next by clicking the link to file
checkbox.
That said, it will probably be a little while before we see I2I. In
fact with all the recent debate of desktop vs. palm functionality, I
wouldn't blame Jeff for putting the Palm side on hold for a bit. The
method I've just outlined while seemingly cumbersome, should fill in the
gap for me, and may for others. One big thing it allows me to do is
create my @Inbox items right in the Next Actions file. Then, during the
day I can apply a filter, called Inbox and move items to appropriate
locations. No more importing todos from Datebk5.
Please try it if you are looking for item to item linking, and/or are
using GTD and want to become Shadow-centric.
I'll be exploring a better way to show appointments within my Next
Actions list (for hard landscape items) and will post what I find.
Please send me any comments you have on the system I propose. There may
be ways to eliminate taps here and there that I don't see; it is almost
2am after all ;-).
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| 9514 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:42am
Subject: REVISION: Alternative to item-item links (GTD using Shadow only)
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>
> I then apply a custom filter called ToDo, which is defined as "todo
link
> present"=true and "checked"=false.
>
> Then I check off each item as if it were completed, go to the Edit
menu,
> select "Copy & Uncheck All Checked", and finally go back to the Edit
> menu and select "Send to File" with the file choice being Next
Actions.
> (NOTE: You can also use the C -> Send to File option for the last
step.)
>
I realized after playing a bit more that if you do the above, you will
wind up with duplicate items, and your truly completed items won't
indicate they are done.
Instead, don't mark the newly linked items complete, use the same custom
filter, but then copy each item individually. This does add two taps
per item (one for tapping C, the other for Copy Item), however it keeps
checkmarks in tact. I didn't mention this in the original post, but of
course your clipboard will need to be set to hold many.
In practice this probably would have been a better way anyway, as I
don't imagine I'll be activating tons of tasks from the same list.
> I think I will tackle this by creating Tags equal to my Project file
> names, and setting them as primary. Then I will make a note of which
file > the item came from by reading the tag, check the item, visit the
project
> file and activate the next task, returning to my Next Actions file.
When I go to set my todo link, I will first set the primary tag to be
the name of the list. This will help me know where the task came from
when I view Next Actions, and I will know that the task has been
activated, because the primary tag is now the filename. This could
prevent confusion if you revisit the project list during the day. If
you see an item with no checkmark, and primary tag = filename, then you
know there's nothing else to activate at the moment.
If you use one big list for many or all projects, you can still use this
method. What you will gain is a listing with no parent item clutter,
which may be important if you have items 3, 4, or 5 levels deep.
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| 9515 |
From: adirondack_46er adirondack_46er@y... <adirondack_46er@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 1:10pm
Subject: Shadow's look and feel
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Jeff,
There's been a lot of talk about adding esoteric features/capabilities to
Shadow (okay, maybe not esoteric if that's your need). Just wanted to add a
few "look and feel suggestions" and see if there was interest in that area.
- I would love to have the ability to vary the background of individual entries
(as you can in Datebk5). This would make a much clearer definition of
headers on a color PDA.
- Hi res icons for Clie's! I love the ability to control text size by choosing fonts
in hi-res mode, but hitting those icons is a challenge.
- For some reason when using Font Bucket fonts on my Clie SJ30 the bold
seems to override the normal font (or vice versa). Regardless, whatever I do I
can't seem to distinguish between the two in lists.
- Just a vote for the nil markers - They give you a target when you want to add
something to a column. I've always liked them,
Thanks,
JB
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| 9516 |
From: bstryd610 bstryd@a... <bstryd@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Shadow on Handshigh? ITs true!
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This is not true about the Slap I'm using (1.1). After it slaps the
info into the desired application, the original text is still there,
hightlighted, ready to be "cleared" or slapped into another app.
Slap is quite good at an GTD inbox -- for me the only lack is the
Shadow connection.
Bruce
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Latham <clatham1@t...>"
<clatham1@t...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:
> > Not really true...you can log everything down during the course
of
> the
> > day and process at night, or whenever. Simply go back,
highlight an
> > action item, and send it to ToDo.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Slap as an inbox looks really cool, but as I've read in the
posts
> > > here, you can't defer decision ("Process") until a later time,
> i.e.
> > > you have to decide what a particular action is at the moment of
> entry.
> > > This runs counter to standard GTD practices.
> > >
>
> Not a very "safe" interface though. One slip tapping one of the
> destinations and say bye bye to eveything you wrote (beyond what it
> parses that is).
>
> This is exactly what happended to me when I was trialing
it. "Loaded
> guns" I don't need!
>
> Ken
|
| 9517 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 3:25pm
Subject: Re: Outlook Macro
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Rita wrote:
> Does anyone know how to make a macro for Outlook that puts [[[file name]]]
> at the beginning of a task name to utilise the import marked ToDos?
As an aside.. in the current alpha I've built a function to auto
import all new ToDos and Datebook items into Shadow lists. So if you
enable that option, anythign you type in Outlook or ToDo or the like will
magicly show up at the bottom of a list marked to auto import. Mind you,
it doesn't honour the [[[]]] stuff at all.. it just scoops all new items
into the list. But if you are going to use [[[Inbox]]] every time, say,
then this is for you :)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9518 |
From: zipster256 r634718@y... <r634718@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 3:27pm
Subject: Suggestion
|
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I'd like to see access to *all* links & tag functions (including
making them, editing them, jumping to them, listing them, selecting
them from a pop-up list, etc.) available right in the edit dialog for
each item (in a well organized way of course). That way I don't have
to have a tag column for tags, and a link column for links. And I
don't have to remember which menu item I have to select to access
which feature of tagging or linking.
Since there is no horizontal scrolling, it's too cumbersome to try to
read outlines when you have more than one or two columns. Zooming is
an awesome innovation, but with several columns, if you have several
outline levels, it's just not very practical. If I could get all the
link and tag functions in one place, I think it would solve several
problems and make things easier to use.
Thanks. :-)
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| 9519 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: Re: Shadow's look and feel
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, adirondack_46er <adirondack_46er@y...> wrote:
> - I would love to have the ability to vary the background of individual entries
> (as you can in Datebk5). This would make a much clearer definition of
> headers on a color PDA.
Override the theme? Hmm..
> - Hi res icons for Clie's! I love the ability to control text size by choosing fonts
> in hi-res mode, but hitting those icons is a challenge.
Keep bugging me. Its lower on my list. I just hate drawing icons
all day ;)
> - For some reason when using Font Bucket fonts on my Clie SJ30 the
> bold seems to override the normal font (or vice versa). Regardless,
> whatever I do I can't seem to distinguish between the two in lists.
I'm confused what you mean; setting the Bold font only effects the
items which would be bolded (by the [B] for instance).
> - Just a vote for the nil markers - They give you a target when you
> want to add something to a column. I've always liked them,
I don't intend on removing them; at worst, an option to suppress
them.
jeff
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| 9520 |
From: Manfred Ell <manfred.ell@w...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 3:38pm
Subject: Re: Outlook Macro
|
| |
On Friday Feb 07 at 03:25 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
----------------------- Original Message -----------------------
> As an aside.. in the current alpha I've built a function to auto
> import all new ToDos and Datebook items into Shadow lists. So if you
> enable that option, anythign you type in Outlook or ToDo or the like will
> magicly show up at the bottom of a list marked to auto import. Mind you,
> it doesn't honour the [[[]]] stuff at all.. it just scoops all new items
> into the list. But if you are going to use [[[Inbox]]] every time, say,
> then this is for you :)
>
--------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------
As I was the one asking for this. Can you send me a copy of the alpha?
I'd have a happy weekend ;-)
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| 9521 |
From: adirondack_46er adirondack_46er@y... <adirondack_46er@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 4:12pm
Subject: Re: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, adirondack_46er <adirondack_46er@y...> wrote:
>
> > - I would love to have the ability to vary the background of individual
entries
> > (as you can in Datebk5). This would make a much clearer definition of
> > headers on a color PDA.
>
> Override the theme? Hmm..
Yes, I think that describes it - In Datebk 5 when you bring up details - font -
you have the ability to pick both font color and background color. Imagine the
ability to have all of your major headers highlighted witha unique background
to stand apart from the actual tasks.
>
> > - Hi res icons for Clie's! I love the ability to control text size by choosing
fonts
> > in hi-res mode, but hitting those icons is a challenge.
>
> Keep bugging me. Its lower on my list. I just hate drawing icons
> all day ;)
Consider yourself bugged...
>
> > - For some reason when using Font Bucket fonts on my Clie SJ30 the
> > bold seems to override the normal font (or vice versa). Regardless,
> > whatever I do I can't seem to distinguish between the two in lists.
>
> I'm confused what you mean; setting the Bold font only effects the
> items which would be bolded (by the [B] for instance).
Not sure what's going on here. I'm on an SJ30 working in Hi-Res with
Fontbucket installed and "hi-res assist" turned off for Shadow. I am using
Lubak's sans-serif fonts. They show perfectly in the font selection in
preferences, but working in a list the text assumes a bold font regardless of
what I have entered in the preferences. I may be missing something...
Thanks
John
|
| 9522 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 4:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, adirondack_46er <adirondack_46er@y...> wrote:
> > I'm confused what you mean; setting the Bold font only effects the
> > items which would be bolded (by the [B] for instance).
>
> Not sure what's going on here. I'm on an SJ30 working in Hi-Res with
> Fontbucket installed and "hi-res assist" turned off for Shadow. I am using
> Lubak's sans-serif fonts. They show perfectly in the font selection in
> preferences, but working in a list the text assumes a bold font regardless of
> what I have entered in the preferences. I may be missing something...
Do you mean FontHack or Font Bucket? For Lubak's, you use FontHack
(unless its changed of late), which is why it shows up in (say)
Preferences.. you've Font Hacked the base Font to be Lubak. However,
you've left Shadows normal font to some bold font setting in the Display
Prefs...
So do you have FontHack and FontBucket going? (ie: Can't help
until I've got an idea of your setup :)
jeff
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| 9523 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, zipster256 <r634718@y...> wrote:
> I'd like to see access to *all* links & tag functions (including
> making them, editing them, jumping to them, listing them, selecting
> them from a pop-up list, etc.) available right in the edit dialog for
> each item (in a well organized way of course). That way I don't have
> to have a tag column for tags, and a link column for links. And I
> don't have to remember which menu item I have to select to access
> which feature of tagging or linking.
Theres not enough room on the screen for everythign all at once :)
> Since there is no horizontal scrolling, it's too cumbersome to try to
> read outlines when you have more than one or two columns. Zooming is
> an awesome innovation, but with several columns, if you have several
> outline levels, it's just not very practical. If I could get all the
> link and tag functions in one place, I think it would solve several
> problems and make things easier to use.
Putting everything in one place is the opposite of "easy to
use"; easy to use is one thing at a time. So the goal is to meet in the
middle.. enough stuff onscreen, but still reasonably easy to use.
I could add panels to the details screen so you could see the
other settings.. but thats essentially what you have now :)
jeff
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| 9524 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 4:53pm
Subject: Re: Outlook Macro
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Manfred Ell wrote:
> > import all new ToDos and Datebook items into Shadow lists. So if you
> > enable that option, anythign you type in Outlook or ToDo or the like will
> > magicly show up at the bottom of a list marked to auto import. Mind you,
> > it doesn't honour the [[[]]] stuff at all.. it just scoops all new items
> > into the list. But if you are going to use [[[Inbox]]] every time, say,
> > then this is for you :)
>
> --------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------
>
> As I was the one asking for this. Can you send me a copy of the alpha?
No, but you can join shadow-test mailing list which is open to the
public. To play with alphas, you must be in the maliling list.. otherwise
you're asking for trouble. (Using alphas without knowing what is new or
what problems arise, etc)
jeff
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| 9525 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 5:12pm
Subject: Re: Outlook Macro
|
| |
Jeff:
What does the statement you made below mean? Seems like one or the other, not both would be used. Thanks for any explanation so i understand...
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: Shadow-Discuss@Y... Com
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Outlook Macro
Mind you,
it doesn't honour the [[[]]] stuff at all.. it just scoops all new items
into the list. But if you are going to use [[[Inbox]]] every time, say,
then this is for you :)
jeff
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|
| 9526 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Outlook Macro
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> What does the statement you made below mean? Seems like one or the
> other, not both would be used. Thanks for any explanation so i
> understand...
If you mark up an item with [[[listname]]], you can hit Import
MArked ToDos to bring it in.
If you set a list to "auto import new ToDos", then every new ToDo
will get sucked into it.
These are separate operations entirely.
ie: If you mark an item up with [[[foo]]] and then it gets
auto-imported, the auto-import leaves the [[[fooo]]] there since you may
wish to then Import Marked to get it to go to a list of your choice.
ie: If you Mark a todo up, and Import Marked Todos, it'll lose the
[[[foo]]] part and go to the destination list. But it will still go into a
list with the Auto-import-todo pref.
Auto improt ToDos picks up all new ToDos. You want a way to get
all todos into a list.. there you go.
Import Marked lets you selectively specify a todo to go to a
specific Shadow list.
They don't care about each other.
jeff
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Mitchell
> To: Shadow-Discuss@Y... Com
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Outlook Macro
>
>
> Mind you,
> it doesn't honour the [[[]]] stuff at all.. it just scoops all new items
> into the list. But if you are going to use [[[Inbox]]] every time, say,
> then this is for you :)
>
> jeff
>
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| 9527 |
From: gresfordat gresfordat@y... <gresfordat@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: Archiving issues
|
| |
Hi,
I'm a new user and I would like to know if I have archived an item to
the archive database is there any way for me to restore it back to
the list I archived it from?
Gresford Thomas
|
| 9528 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Archiving issues
|
| |
go to the archive list (_ARCHIVE_), select the item and copy it to the
clipboard, than click on the clipboard icon and choose "send to file",
choose your desired file and you're done. Hope this helps.
Scott
|
| 9529 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 6:13pm
Subject: Any handheld web browser types here?
|
| |
I've got a Tungsten T myself, and a T68i phone (more or less). I
can browse via GPRS from my TT via bluetooth to the phone and using the
phones GPRS connection.
Since I swap between web browser, email, IRC, and other stuff on
the handheld, I've got all the applications set to keep the connection
open when they exit. So to turn off the connection I need to either turn
the device off and wait a few seconds, or open Prefs -> Network and hit
Disconnect. Sort of annoying.
Would anyone welcome a little tiny app that just connects or
disconnects the network connection from the command-bar?
jeff
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|
| 9530 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 6:11pm
Subject: Re: Archiving issues
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, gresfordat <gresfordat@y...> wrote:
> I'm a new user and I would like to know if I have archived an item to
> the archive database is there any way for me to restore it back to the
> list I archived it from?
The _ARCHIVE_ file is just a regular Shadow file; just open it up,
find the item in questions, and use the clipboard to move it back. (ie:
Cut/Move, or Cut/Paste, or Cut/Send-to, etc). If a recent version of
Shadow, the Note of the item will include a comment as to which file it
came from, and where in that file, too.
jeff
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|
| 9531 |
From: Jef Allbright <groups@j...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Any handheld web browser types here?
|
| |
I think QLaunch may provide something similar.
- Jef
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any handheld web browser types here?
I've got a Tungsten T myself, and a T68i phone (more or less). I
can browse via GPRS from my TT via bluetooth to the phone and using the
phones GPRS connection.
Since I swap between web browser, email, IRC, and other stuff on
the handheld, I've got all the applications set to keep the connection
open when they exit. So to turn off the connection I need to either turn
the device off and wait a few seconds, or open Prefs -> Network and hit
Disconnect. Sort of annoying.
Would anyone welcome a little tiny app that just connects or
disconnects the network connection from the command-bar?
jeff
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| 9532 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:14pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
Is there any way someone who really wants hi-res icons and who's a good
graphics person could help with this? Is it just editing a resource
file? What tools are needed?
Mind you, I'm not a good graphics person, so this probably wouldn't be
me, but I'd bet we have at least one who meets the criteria out there
;-)
>
> > - Hi res icons for Clie's! I love the ability to control text size
by
> choosing fonts
> > in hi-res mode, but hitting those icons is a challenge.
>
> Keep bugging me. Its lower on my list. I just hate drawing icons
> all day ;)
>
|
| 9533 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:16pm
Subject: Re: Any handheld web browser types here?
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jef Allbright wrote:
> I think QLaunch may provide something similar.
Geesh, he should change the name from QLaunch to "QKitchenSink" :)
My little hack will be freeware.
jeff
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|
| 9534 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:17pm
Subject: RE: Suggestion
|
| |
>
> I could add panels to the details screen so you could see the
> other settings.. but thats essentially what you have now :)
>
Might look good though, one for details, one for links, one for notes.
Of course, I'd still like an easier way for adding tags, a revamped tag
manager, as we've discussed before, so maybe one specifically for tags
too.
|
| 9535 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:18pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Griff wrote:
> Is there any way someone who really wants hi-res icons and who's a good
> graphics person could help with this? Is it just editing a resource
> file? What tools are needed?
OKay, lets start off then..
Which icons are we talking about here?
And its more than an icon set.. we're talking about using normal
icons in high res some of the time (all the time right now) (making them
very small), and high res icons for some of the time (double their size,
making them look low-res-sized in high res mode).. which means a code
change.. unknown complexity at this point. ie: It means sometimes using
low-res size-metrics for tap poitn calculation, while other times using
high res current metrics.. could be ugly.
jeff
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|
| 9536 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:20pm
Subject: RE: Any handheld web browser types here?
|
| |
All of the apps I use have a drop connection feature pretty easily
available from the menu. The hardest one is Xiino, which has a menu
option to go to Network, and then I just tap disconnect.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:13 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any handheld web browser types here?
>
>
> I've got a Tungsten T myself, and a T68i phone (more or less). I
> can browse via GPRS from my TT via bluetooth to the phone and using
the
> phones GPRS connection.
>
> Since I swap between web browser, email, IRC, and other stuff on
> the handheld, I've got all the applications set to keep the connection
> open when they exit. So to turn off the connection I need to either
turn
> the device off and wait a few seconds, or open Prefs -> Network and
hit
> Disconnect. Sort of annoying.
>
> Would anyone welcome a little tiny app that just connects or
> disconnects the network connection from the command-bar?
>
> jeff
>
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| 9537 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:24pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
>
> > Is there any way someone who really wants hi-res icons and who's a
good
> > graphics person could help with this? Is it just editing a resource
> > file? What tools are needed?
>
> OKay, lets start off then..
>
> Which icons are we talking about here?
I can only speak for me, but I'm talking expand/collapse arrow, link
arrow, and maybe checkbox and todo link box. The last two really aren't
an issue for me, it's those darn arrows. ;-)
>
> And its more than an icon set.. we're talking about using normal
> icons in high res some of the time (all the time right now) (making
them
> very small), and high res icons for some of the time (double their
size,
> making them look low-res-sized in high res mode).. which means a code
> change.. unknown complexity at this point. ie: It means sometimes
using
> low-res size-metrics for tap poitn calculation, while other times
using
> high res current metrics.. could be ugly.
>
Why would it be a half and half type thing? Why not use the hi-res
icons all throughout? I guess this would mean all icons would have to
be converted to a hi-res icon format?
|
| 9538 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:30pm
Subject: RE: Suggestion
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Griff wrote:
> > I could add panels to the details screen so you could see the
> > other settings.. but thats essentially what you have now :)
>
> Might look good though, one for details, one for links, one for notes.
> Of course, I'd still like an easier way for adding tags, a revamped tag
> manager, as we've discussed before, so maybe one specifically for tags
> too.
The problem with panels is they're all attached; since you can
jump straight to note editor by tapping on the memo icon (if pref
enabled), and can use /A to jump right to it, using panels is sub-optimal.
Suggestions for making tags easier to add? ie: I add suggested
earlier a popup listing of tag categories, and tap on a category to get a
popup panel of tags with checkboxes, but it was rejected by a lot of
people :)
As to revamped tag manager, I don't recall.
jeff
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| 9539 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:34pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Griff wrote:
> good
> > > graphics person could help with this? Is it just editing a resource
> > > file? What tools are needed?
> >
> > OKay, lets start off then..
> >
> > Which icons are we talking about here?
>
> I can only speak for me, but I'm talking expand/collapse arrow, link
> arrow, and maybe checkbox and todo link box. The last two really aren't
> an issue for me, it's those darn arrows. ;-)
OKay. Changing all the icons is a lot of work (consider the
graphical buttons at the bottom of the screen, and every icon in the
application.. probably 50 of the little buggers ;)
> Why would it be a half and half type thing? Why not use the hi-res
> icons all throughout? I guess this would mean all icons would have to
> be converted to a hi-res icon format?
Its more complex than that; note that when you go to high res
mode, you have tiny text. If we make "high res" (larger) icons, then how
do we fit them in there? They just don't fit without using the low res
apacing.. which defeats the purpose of using the high res to get text
crammage. So theres much thoguht and planning to be done.
(Really, of course, I can use the low res icons in low res render
mode on the high res screen, so they show up the same size as they do in
low res.. but the problem above is that the arrow then takes up two text
lines of space! Example.. the graphcial button bars on the bottom of the
screen. Theyr'e in low res rendered even in high res mode, so they show up
full size on all units regardless of resolution. But they're special
handled because they're constant position and such.. easy)
jeff
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| 9540 |
From: veb8 veb8899@f... <veb8899@f...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
|
| |
Hi Kevin,
I am sorry if my post came across as critical of your use of the
word "fluff" as I certainly didn't mean for it to be. In all
honestly, when you wrote your post on the desktop recently (sorry I
forgot the date), I was silently applauding you because you echoed my
sentiments so well. I didn't say anything initially because I didn't
know how to write a post without appearing like I was doing a "me
too" or piling on. Guess I am doing it now, right?
But I also felt that Eric made some good points about his needs on
the handheld side also and I wanted to acknowledge those. I think I
identified with him because many times, I have been on the side where
I seem to be the only person who thinks a feature is important. Also,
my reasoning was I felt that thread was getting off track and I was
trying to bring it back. Obviously, I did a bad job on all accounts
and I apologize.
Hope that clarifies my position.
Vivian
|
| 9541 |
From: madmaxmedia madmaxmedia@y... <madmaxmedia@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 7:49pm
Subject: Re: Mini editor wise
|
| |
Hi Jeff,
I just would like to second the request for quicker access to the
note editor- that would be fantastic!!! I was going to make a post
about this, but found this via search.
What happens now when you double-tap an expanded note? (my CLIE is
broken right now.) I believe it goes to the Detail page. How about
double-clicking an expanded note to go directly to the note editor?
I think that would be the most intuitive (if you can separate double-
tapping regular text vs. note text.)
Thanks,
Steve
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Rafael Barbera wrote:
>
> > I'm using the minieditor a lot, because is very comfortable to
me,
> > viewing all the plan as I insert new task or ideas. Sometimes,
when
> > I'm rereading some item, I found that I should explain them (add
a
> > note), but I have any direct method to do that. This also
happens to
> > me when I'm trying to make a short title on the minieditor, but
it
> > begins to grow. A little "N" icon below the "D" one on the
MiniEditor,
> > that brings up the Note Editor will be very usefully. At last
for me
> > ;-)
>
> That was the intention; its on my todo list. Its a little
annoying
> though.. the OS has some issues jumping frmo very small wnidows to
very
> large full screen ones like the note editor :/ It would also imply
an
> "OK" for a new item. So I might actually do a trick.. put a [N]
button
> there, and when you hit it, it acually hits the checkmark, then
writes /A
> into the grafitti buffer for you.. pulling up the note editor :)
I'll see
> about doing it soon, as the codes been in place a long time, just
not
> tested ;)
>
> jeff
>
> --
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| 9542 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:02pm
Subject: Re: Shadow's look and feel[yeah skin it!]
|
| |
Ah, I thought you're talking about general icon support á la DateBk.
Sou you mean the arrows and other ui iconical graphics?
Would like that too! (I would also like icons for items btw)
Hmm, I would think of a generalized why: The lores icons would've
been doubled (or *4 I think) - yeah streched on hires so there is a
standard look no matter what icon res...
BTW, it would be really awesome to enable strong customization for,
say, the arrows and the like, via those DateBk(&Agendus
&Handyshopper) format icons. With the customized colors available
now...well one could really skin Shadow (a bg image wouldn't hurt
either ;). I would love that!
Anybody else who would be interested in THAT? (hope it was clear
what i meant, english is not my native language :)
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Griff" <lists@t...> wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any way someone who really wants hi-res icons and
who's a
> good
> > > graphics person could help with this? Is it just editing a
resource
> > > file? What tools are needed?
> >
> > OKay, lets start off then..
> >
> > Which icons are we talking about here?
>
> I can only speak for me, but I'm talking expand/collapse arrow,
link
> arrow, and maybe checkbox and todo link box. The last two really
aren't
> an issue for me, it's those darn arrows. ;-)
>
> >
> > And its more than an icon set.. we're talking about using
normal
> > icons in high res some of the time (all the time right now)
(making
> them
> > very small), and high res icons for some of the time (double
their
> size,
> > making them look low-res-sized in high res mode).. which means a
code
> > change.. unknown complexity at this point. ie: It means sometimes
> using
> > low-res size-metrics for tap poitn calculation, while other times
> using
> > high res current metrics.. could be ugly.
> >
>
> Why would it be a half and half type thing? Why not use the hi-res
> icons all throughout? I guess this would mean all icons would
have to
> be converted to a hi-res icon format?
|
| 9543 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:06pm
Subject: Re: Shadow's look and feel
|
| |
ok got that point so forget this one in my last post...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>
> (Really, of course, I can use the low res icons in low res
render
> mode on the high res screen, so they show up the same size as they
do in
> low res.. but the problem above is that the arrow then takes up
two text
> lines of space! Example.. the graphcial button bars on the bottom
of the
> screen. Theyr'e in low res rendered even in high res mode, so they
show up
> full size on all units regardless of resolution. But they're
special
> handled because they're constant position and such.. easy)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9544 |
From: Sean Cooperrider <scooperrider@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:25pm
Subject: RE: Any handheld web browser types here?
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That would be a very welcome little prog..Hook me up
Sean Cooperrider
Service Director
System Administrator
South Coast Acura
2925 Harbor Blvd.
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
714-979-2500
714-713-4084
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:13 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any handheld web browser types here?
I've got a Tungsten T myself, and a T68i phone (more or less). I
can browse via GPRS from my TT via bluetooth to the phone and using the
phones GPRS connection.
Since I swap between web browser, email, IRC, and other stuff on
the handheld, I've got all the applications set to keep the connection
open when they exit. So to turn off the connection I need to either turn
the device off and wait a few seconds, or open Prefs -> Network and hit
Disconnect. Sort of annoying.
Would anyone welcome a little tiny app that just connects or
disconnects the network connection from the command-bar?
jeff
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| 9545 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:34pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
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>
> OKay. Changing all the icons is a lot of work (consider the
> graphical buttons at the bottom of the screen, and every icon in the
> application.. probably 50 of the little buggers ;)
>
That's why I suggested a volunteer ;-)
>
> Its more complex than that; note that when you go to high res
> mode, you have tiny text. If we make "high res" (larger) icons, then
how
> do we fit them in there? They just don't fit without using the low res
> apacing.. which defeats the purpose of using the high res to get text
> crammage. So theres much thoguht and planning to be done.
>
> (Really, of course, I can use the low res icons in low res
render
> mode on the high res screen, so they show up the same size as they do
in
> low res.. but the problem above is that the arrow then takes up two
text
> lines of space! Example.. the graphcial button bars on the bottom of
the
> screen. Theyr'e in low res rendered even in high res mode, so they
show up
> full size on all units regardless of resolution. But they're special
> handled because they're constant position and such.. easy)
>
Yeah, makes perfect sense. Really though the hi-res icons just need to
be longer. If the link arrow were twice or three times as long it'd
help out tremendously. Same with the exp/coll arrows. Maybe if in hi-res
the column that houses those icons could be expanded pretty easily?
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| 9546 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Griff wrote:
> Yeah, makes perfect sense. Really though the hi-res icons just need
> to be longer. If the link arrow were twice or three times as long
> it'd help out tremendously. Same with the exp/coll arrows. Maybe if in
> hi-res the column that houses those icons could be expanded pretty
> easily?
So stretched letterbox icons for highres modes? Ack, I suppose
they coudl be done tastefully but my first impression would be stretched
ugly icons ;) (And also, a bit of work, since suddenly the size of the
icon tap area changes based on resolution.. not just doubling for scaling,
but changing the whole aspect ratio, etc :/)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9547 |
From: fiatspider72 jphillips@p... <jphillips@p...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 9:20pm
Subject: Re: Any handheld web browser types here?
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--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
>
> I've got a Tungsten T myself, and a T68i phone (more or less). I
> can browse via GPRS from my TT via bluetooth to the phone and using
the
> phones GPRS connection.
>
> Since I swap between web browser, email, IRC, and other stuff on
> the handheld, I've got all the applications set to keep the
connection
> open when they exit. So to turn off the connection I need to either
turn
> the device off and wait a few seconds, or open Prefs -> Network and
hit
> Disconnect. Sort of annoying.
>
> Would anyone welcome a little tiny app that just connects or
> disconnects the network connection from the command-bar?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
I'm not sure if you can us DA's (Desk Accessories) under OS5, but if
you can you should take a look at NetConnectDA.
http://members.tripod.com/~hokamoto/palm.html
Does excactly what you are talking about Jeff.
- Jeramy
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| 9548 |
From: zipster256 r634718@y... <r634718@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 10:23pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion
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--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> Suggestions for making tags easier to add? ie: I add suggested
> earlier a popup listing of tag categories, and tap on a category to
get a
> popup panel of tags with checkboxes, but it was rejected by a lot of
> people :)
So the advantage of this over the existing design is that you can
make multiple selections from one category simultaneously without
reinvoking the list?
Also...on my comments at the beginning of this thread about putting
more things in the details dialog. What I had in mind was adding
something like a "Tag" button in the Details dialog in a manner
similar to the current Link button. When you click this Tag button
you get the same menu you get when you tap a Tag column...i.e. Tag
Manager,Add Tag, Remove Tag, Swap Tag and all the item specific
tags. Point being you can manage tags that way insetad of having a
column if you want.
Better yet...have one button in details labeled maybe Tags&Links,
then just make the link manager the first choice on the menu in the
last paragraph (just like it is now on the tag column popup menu).
Then you can do it all from the details dialog and only need one
button. :-)
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| 9549 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 10:26pm
Subject: Question about memo links
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| |
I recently discovered, that I will not see all my memos in the
linkmanager when trying to link...
Is it a bug? Is it known? Is this the right place to post such
things?
Bye...
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| 9550 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 10:39pm
Subject: RE: Outlook Macro
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> As an aside.. in the current alpha I've built a function to auto
> import all new ToDos and Datebook items into Shadow lists. So if you
> enable that option, anythign you type in Outlook or ToDo or the like will
> magicly show up at the bottom of a list marked to auto import. Mind you,
> it doesn't honour the [[[]]] stuff at all.. it just scoops all new items
> into the list. But if you are going to use [[[Inbox]]] every time, say,
> then this is for you :)
>
> jeff
>
Fantastic, Jeff your are so cool! I invariably forget to include the [[[]]]
Rita
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| 9551 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:15pm
Subject: RE: Shadow's look and feel
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| |
Maybe not even stretching the icons themselves, but the space they are
in...perhaps just changing the aspect ration.
I don't have problems seeing the small icons, I have troubles tapping
them.
>
> So stretched letterbox icons for highres modes? Ack, I suppose
> they coudl be done tastefully but my first impression would be
stretched
> ugly icons ;) (And also, a bit of work, since suddenly the size of
the
> icon tap area changes based on resolution.. not just doubling for
scaling,
> but changing the whole aspect ratio, etc :/)
>
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| 9552 |
From: Griff <lists@t...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:25pm
Subject: RE: Suggestion
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> The problem with panels is they're all attached; since you can
> jump straight to note editor by tapping on the memo icon (if pref
> enabled), and can use /A to jump right to it, using panels is
sub-optimal.
Hmm, just switch to details with the right panel displayed.
>
> Suggestions for making tags easier to add? ie: I add suggested
> earlier a popup listing of tag categories, and tap on a category to
get a
> popup panel of tags with checkboxes, but it was rejected by a lot of
> people :)
>
> As to revamped tag manager, I don't recall.
I think the rejection was more about a pop up interface, not the idea.
I had proposed redoing the tag manager with two panels. The first would
have add tag information, very similar to what you described. You'd
have a list of tags that you can scroll through and tap a checkbox to
assign to the list. I envision a category picker at the top of the
screen to allow one to see All tags, or just those within a category.
Category: All
(x) Tag 1
( ) Tag 2
( ) Tag 3
(x) Tag 4
(x) Tag 5
( ) Tag 6
( ) Tag 7
Done Cancel
The second tab would be the existing tag manager where one can define
tags and their categories.
If I chose add tag, I'd be brought to the multi-select screen, tap done
and I have all the tags I want associated with the item selected.
If you hate the idea of allowing the tag manager to select tags too,
even a new dialog called Tag Picker, similar to the above would work.
FWIW, I never use link manager to add tags, far too many taps...and I
really dislike using Add Tag, because I generally add tags from multiple
categories, so it's always 4 taps to add a tag.
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| 9553 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:29pm
Subject: RE: Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
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Vivian, you know I never hold anything you say against you.always enjoy
hearing from you! Cold back there right now eh? Sunny and about 60 here
today and for the next few days. ; )
I'm in the middle of a marketing plan/blitz myself right now, with another
week to complete it to stay within my projected timeframe. Thus, after
reading a bunch of the fluff (a second use of that word!), I sort of went
off in my own little world for a while and was subtly giving Jeff some
marketing thoughts. Of course, since I use the handheld all the time, I
could enjoy the new items forever, as I haven't loved an addition as much as
the auto import of to dos/appts in a long time.I LOVE THAT FEATURE!
However, from a marketing perspective, I heard far more voices for the
desktop improvements compared to the few here and there with their specialty
requests, albeit those requests might be very important to those few users,
but for most of us the ideas I was hearing would be mere fluff (my other use
again!). I just saw/see an opportunity for Jeff to get a group behind him
that could grow quickly based on the increase in a desktop outline desire I
have read about recently in various forums. Hate to see such an awesome
developer not get a large portion of that market share when it is there for
the taking right now.no one will take his increasing handheld share for
quite some time, but that group that wants the great desktop will not wait
forever before choosing another product for good. Just my thoughts, and
hope all is well on your coast!
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: veb8 <veb8899@f...> [mailto:veb8899@f...]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:43 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow fluff vs. back to the desktop...
Hi Kevin,
I am sorry if my post came across as critical of your use of the
word "fluff" as I certainly didn't mean for it to be. In all
honestly, when you wrote your post on the desktop recently (sorry I
forgot the date), I was silently applauding you because you echoed my
sentiments so well. I didn't say anything initially because I didn't
know how to write a post without appearing like I was doing a "me
too" or piling on. Guess I am doing it now, right?
But I also felt that Eric made some good points about his needs on
the handheld side also and I wanted to acknowledge those. I think I
identified with him because many times, I have been on the side where
I seem to be the only person who thinks a feature is important. Also,
my reasoning was I felt that thread was getting off track and I was
trying to bring it back. Obviously, I did a bad job on all accounts
and I apologize.
Hope that clarifies my position.
Vivian
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| 9554 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Suggestion
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| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, zipster256 <r634718@y...> wrote:
> > Suggestions for making tags easier to add? ie: I add suggested
> > earlier a popup listing of tag categories, and tap on a category to
> get a
> > popup panel of tags with checkboxes, but it was rejected by a lot of
> > people :)
>
> So the advantage of this over the existing design is that you can
> make multiple selections from one category simultaneously without
> reinvoking the list?
yeah, and change categories with one tap.
> Also...on my comments at the beginning of this thread about putting
> more things in the details dialog. What I had in mind was adding
> something like a "Tag" button in the Details dialog in a manner
> similar to the current Link button. When you click this Tag button
> you get the same menu you get when you tap a Tag column...i.e. Tag
> Manager,Add Tag, Remove Tag, Swap Tag and all the item specific tags.
> Point being you can manage tags that way insetad of having a column if
> you want.
I could add aht; if theres room for a button there (I forget :)
> Better yet...have one button in details labeled maybe Tags&Links, then
> just make the link manager the first choice on the menu in the last
> paragraph (just like it is now on the tag column popup menu). Then
> you can do it all from the details dialog and only need one button.
> :-)
Naah, then its two taps for Links :)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9555 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:40pm
Subject: Re: Question about memo links
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, darkoem <darkoem@y...> wrote:
> I recently discovered, that I will not see all my memos in the
> linkmanager when trying to link... Is it a bug? Is it known? Is this
> the right place to post such things?
Are you sure? They may be listed in the wrong order perhaps?
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9556 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:47pm
Subject: RE: Question about memo links
|
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> > I recently discovered, that I will not see all my memos in the
> > linkmanager when trying to link... Is it a bug? Is it known? Is this
> > the right place to post such things?
>
> Are you sure? They may be listed in the wrong order perhaps?
>
> jeff
could this be the same scroll problem I am getting with link manager?
Rita
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| 9557 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:54pm
Subject: Re: Question about memo links
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| |
Yes I'm sure. Shadow lists it in alphabetical order (hmm maybe i
sorted it that way once in memopad) but doesn't list them all. It
stops showing my memos at some point(now at the letter Q but that is
not everytime the case).
I had the problem on my m505 while trialing shadow and now on my T|T
and registered. My titles are normally too long to be listed
completely by shadow(in that link manager window), dunno if that
affects it.
BTW on my m505 it showed even less memos then now, quite wired and I
found nothing about it in the archives...
It's not THAT problem, because I'm now using shadow mainly for my
notes but yeah...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, darkoem <darkoem@y...> wrote:
>
> > I recently discovered, that I will not see all my memos in the
> > linkmanager when trying to link... Is it a bug? Is it known? Is
this
> > the right place to post such things?
>
> Are you sure? They may be listed in the wrong order perhaps?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9558 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 11:59pm
Subject: RE: Question about memo links
|
| |
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Rita wrote:
> > > I recently discovered, that I will not see all my memos in the
> > > linkmanager when trying to link... Is it a bug? Is it known? Is this
> > > the right place to post such things?
> >
> > Are you sure? They may be listed in the wrong order perhaps?
>
> could this be the same scroll problem I am getting with link manager?
What scroll problem? (I may have forgotten?)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9559 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:00am
Subject: Re: Re: Question about memo links
|
| |
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, darkoem <darkoem@y...> wrote:
> Yes I'm sure. Shadow lists it in alphabetical order (hmm maybe i
> sorted it that way once in memopad) but doesn't list them all. It
> stops showing my memos at some point(now at the letter Q but that is
> not everytime the case). I had the problem on my m505 while trialing
> shadow and now on my T|T and registered. My titles are normally too
> long to be listed completely by shadow(in that link manager window),
> dunno if that affects it. BTW on my m505 it showed even less memos
> then now, quite wired and I found nothing about it in the archives...
> It's not THAT problem, because I'm now using shadow mainly for my
> notes but yeah...
Hmmm, I think that rings an old bell from long ago. Got any
protected memos in there?
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9560 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:00am
Subject: Re: Question about memo links
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| |
What is that scrollproblem (maybe you're right...)?
My problem is that i can not scroll down any further (in the link
manager choosen the memo tab, the address tab functions flawless)
but I'm absolutly sure that a lot of memos didn't show up above...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Rita" <rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> > > I recently discovered, that I will not see all my memos in the
> > > linkmanager when trying to link... Is it a bug? Is it known?
Is this
> > > the right place to post such things?
> >
> > Are you sure? They may be listed in the wrong order perhaps?
> >
> > jeff
>
> could this be the same scroll problem I am getting with link
manager?
>
> Rita
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| 9561 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:05am
Subject: Re: Question about memo links
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| |
Yes a lot (but set visible in security) but there is no system in
it: Shadow shows some private memos und hides some unprotected
memos. It just stops to list at some point (and the list order is
exactly like in memopad)...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, darkoem <darkoem@y...> wrote:
>
> > Yes I'm sure. Shadow lists it in alphabetical order (hmm maybe i
> > sorted it that way once in memopad) but doesn't list them all. It
> > stops showing my memos at some point(now at the letter Q but
that is
> > not everytime the case). I had the problem on my m505 while
trialing
> > shadow and now on my T|T and registered. My titles are normally
too
> > long to be listed completely by shadow(in that link manager
window),
> > dunno if that affects it. BTW on my m505 it showed even less
memos
> > then now, quite wired and I found nothing about it in the
archives...
> > It's not THAT problem, because I'm now using shadow mainly for my
> > notes but yeah...
>
> Hmmm, I think that rings an old bell from long ago. Got any
> protected memos in there?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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| 9562 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:08am
Subject: RE: Question about memo links
|
| |
> What scroll problem? (I may have forgotten?)
>
When I use the scroll wheel on the t615 to scroll down the list, the list
item that are 'touched' go blank. It happens in links for memos and
contacts, I can't recall if it happens for tags also. I'll have another
play.
Rita
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| 9563 |
From: darkoem darkoem@y... <darkoem@y...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:09am
Subject: Re: Question about memo links
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| |
nope. that's not what happened to me (well i don'T have a jog dial).
Everything looks good, address links are no problem just the memos...
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Rita" <rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> > What scroll problem? (I may have forgotten?)
> >
>
> When I use the scroll wheel on the t615 to scroll down the list,
the list
> item that are 'touched' go blank. It happens in links for memos
and
> contacts, I can't recall if it happens for tags also. I'll have
another
> play.
>
> Rita
|
| 9564 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:17am
Subject: RE: Question about memo links
|
| |
Copy of post 9183, your reply to the 2nd paragraph and I assumed that you
have taken note of it, I'm using version 2.7.2 but I think it was happening
with the earlier version also:
==============================
Jeff
Jog Dial - I have noticed that when adding an address book link and I scroll
down the list using the jog dial, the highlighted entries disappear. This
also happens with memos after a whole page has been scrolled.
Back button - pressing the back button at the list selection screen opens
the categories rather than back out to the launcher. Is this meant to be
so?
I have a clie T615
Rita
==============================
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| 9565 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 0:23am
Subje | |
