From: budhdp@t...
Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Returning to Shadow after linking

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Larry Hess, CPA" <lhhesscpa@y...> wrote:
> Using the hard ToDo button & launcher software make sense.  In 
fact, 
> I have my hard ToDo button mapped to Shadow, too.  These methods 
> restart Shadow but they don't return you where you were in Shadow 
> when you linked.  You then have to maneuver back to where you were 
so 
> you can resume what you were doing.
> 
> Larry Hess, CPA
> 

?????
Invoking Shadow via the hard button returns back to the same point in 
the list that I linked from. No maneuvering involved. Even going from 
ToDo to another app.

From: budhdp@t...
Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Returning to Shadow after linking

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Larry Hess, CPA" <lhhesscpa@y...> wrote:
> Using the hard ToDo button & launcher software make sense.  In 
fact, 
> I have my hard ToDo button mapped to Shadow, too.  These methods 
> restart Shadow but they don't return you where you were in Shadow 
> when you linked.  You then have to maneuver back to where you were 
so 
> you can resume what you were doing.
> 
> Larry Hess, CPA
> 

?????
Invoking Shadow via the hard button returns back to the same point in 
the list that I linked from. No maneuvering involved. Even going from 
ToDo to another app.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:51pm
Subject: RE: Returning to Shadow after linking

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Bob & Kelly Hughes wrote:

> I strongly suggest that you don't implement this "return to Shadow" after
> linking, or if you do, make it a user preference.

	It'd definitely be a preference, since its screwy and would annoy
some people (like me ;). After a goto, the next time you hit App would
bring you back.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:52pm
Subject: RE: Default color picker

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Bob & Kelly Hughes wrote:

> << the new m505s .. I wonder if they're 8bit or 16bit colour?
> m505s are 16-bit color.

	darn. If the Clie new one is any good (metal casing?), then I may
migrate to one of those.. colour (16 bit?), higher resolution. Hopefully
with the vanishing grafitti area. The m505 is pretty nice due to size, but
my next unit has to be a high res unit :) The Handera looks very good, but
is b/w which just doesn't do it for me anymore..

> The light blue color you have chosen for col-bg hardly shows up at all on
> the m505.
> It sure would be nice if we could choose the shade for col-bg.

	You have one?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2001 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Returning to Shadow after linking

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Larry Hess, CPA wrote:

> Using the hard ToDo button & launcher software make sense.  In fact, 
> I have my hard ToDo button mapped to Shadow, too.  These methods 
> restart Shadow but they don't return you where you were in Shadow 
> when you linked.  You then have to maneuver back to where you were so 
> you can resume what you were doing.

	If shadow saves, it should return. Older shadows woudl save after
simply scrolling, but the 1.5.x series does not (by request). So if you
open a list, scroll around, and then goto, it won't return to the same
point you were looking at. But if you editted anything, it will return to
the same spot as you leave.

	In a future version I'll have to revisit this and make it a little
smarter..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob & Kelly Hughes  <bhughes@d...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2001 8:51pm
Subject: RE: Default color picker

On Thursday, May 17, 2001 Jeff wrote:

<<> The light blue color you have chosen for col-bg hardly shows up at all
on
> the m505.
> It sure would be nice if we could choose the shade for col-bg.

>> You have one?

Yup.  My 10 month Vx went defective on me and the store I bought it from
took it back and let me pay the difference to upgrade to the m505.  I really
like it.  Yeahm there are always tradeoffs, but for me, color and small form
factor are more important than hi resolution.

Regards,
Bob

P.S.
Any chance we could have a configurable color for col-bg ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: May 17, 2001 11:53 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Default color picker

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Bob & Kelly Hughes wrote:

> << the new m505s .. I wonder if they're 8bit or 16bit colour?
> m505s are 16-bit color.

      darn. If the Clie new one is any good (metal casing?), then I may
migrate to one of those.. colour (16 bit?), higher resolution. Hopefully
with the vanishing grafitti area. The m505 is pretty nice due to size, but
my next unit has to be a high res unit :) The Handera looks very good, but
is b/w which just doesn't do it for me anymore..

> The light blue color you have chosen for col-bg hardly shows up at all on
> the m505.
> It sure would be nice if we could choose the shade for col-bg.

      You have one?

            jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_




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From: tddisc@y...
Date: Fri May 18, 2001 11:17pm
Subject: Mac development

Jeff,

How is the Mac development of the conduit / desktop coming? I use both Mac 
and Windows, the Mac being my primary computer, and I certainly would help 
beta test anything you develop for the Mac.

Thanks
Tim

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 18, 2001 11:26pm
Subject: Re: Mac development

On Fri, 18 May 2001 tddisc@y... wrote:

> How is the Mac development of the conduit / desktop coming? I use both Mac 
> and Windows, the Mac being my primary computer, and I certainly would help 
> beta test anything you develop for the Mac.

	Its all coming along, though slowly (ie: Writing a new application
for more than 3 platforms is slow work ;)  Had some personal things come
up recently which delayed any development for awhile, but I"m back on
track now.

	The first version of the desktop app will be a view-only tool,
with the added abilities of printing and saving-as-html. That'll be to see
if anyone likes what I'm doing so far :)

	It will pop out for Windows first, and then hopefully a week or
two later as a Mac version. (Its actually all developed under unix, so if
theres any freebsd people interested they get get a local binary too,
though theres no freebsd conduit yet. Linux and others will come after
the Mac release).

	When?

	I'm hoping to get a really not-useful version to alpha soon, to
see what folks think of the basic look and feel. After a couple weeksof
refinement, you may start to see things.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Larry Hess, CPA  <lhhesscpa@y...>
Date: Sat May 19, 2001 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Returning to Shadow after linking

I'd like to add one more thing to this topic.  When I use the linking 
feature of DateBk4 & its aparent ability to return to DateBk4 I think 
DateBk4 is linking to the other app's database rather than the app 
front end.  Would that approach make it any easier for Shadow to 
return from a link?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Larry Hess, CPA wrote:
> 
> > Using the hard ToDo button & launcher software make sense.  In 
fact, 
> > I have my hard ToDo button mapped to Shadow, too.  These methods 
> > restart Shadow but they don't return you where you were in Shadow 
> > when you linked.  You then have to maneuver back to where you 
were so 
> > you can resume what you were doing.
> 
> 	If shadow saves, it should return. Older shadows woudl save 
after
> simply scrolling, but the 1.5.x series does not (by request). So if 
you
> open a list, scroll around, and then goto, it won't return to the 
same
> point you were looking at. But if you editted anything, it will 
return to
> the same spot as you leave.
> 
> 	In a future version I'll have to revisit this and make it a 
little
> smarter..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat May 19, 2001 10:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Returning to Shadow after linking

On Sat, 19 May 2001, Larry Hess, CPA wrote:

> I'd like to add one more thing to this topic.  When I use the linking 
> feature of DateBk4 & its aparent ability to return to DateBk4 I think 
> DateBk4 is linking to the other app's database rather than the app 
> front end.  Would that approach make it any easier for Shadow to 
> return from a link?

	DateBook is a huge 400k program because he essentially includes
code to do all of the main databases stuff inside of itself (ie: witness
split-screen view. Its not running the other programs inside of itself on
half screen.. it actually has the code form the other programs in it,
pretty much).

	I'm not interested in bloating up Shadow to 400k to do the same
thing ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: Opinion; press/media things on web?

There are various amusing events that I hear about, and that I
could repost on my website a interesting trivia for you guys, and as
advertising. I'd like to know if you guys think its uncool, or if you are
curious and think I should post such tidbits.

	ie: A week or two ago when I found out about the Polarstern
science vessel using Shadow as a data gathering tool. Is that interesting,
or is my posting undesired?

	More recently there is some information about the very cook of the
Queen's household (in England) using shadow to help plan events (big
events!); and more recently again is that a movie director is using Shadow
to plan out and control the production and is making his life
easier. Amazing! 

	Our own stories are perhaps more dear to my heart, where one small
application can make raising children easier, or knocking a day off a
small project, or making every day a little easier and faster, or the
like. But hearing such tales as above makes me go "neato!"

	Are these bits worth posting, or should I keep them to
myself? I'm tempted to make press releases about such things, since I find
them interesting, but I do not wish to come across as some advertising
slimeball.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Becca  <beccaE@s...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 3:48pm
Subject: Re: Opinion; press/media things on web?

Jeff, if anyone should toot their own horn a bit it is you :). You 
have worked very hard and been extremely responsive to user needs and 
wishes. I say go for it. I don't think it is any different than what 
many software sites do when they have a section on what users have to 
say or a review section.

The more registered users you get, the more resources you have to get 
my Mac desktop version finished :)))).

Congratulations on some recognition for all of your hard work! I love 
the part about the Queen's cook :). Now I just need to buckle down 
and learn all the ways Shadow can help organize my life!

Becca :)

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Opinion; press/media things on web?

> 	There are various amusing events that I hear about, and
> that I could repost on my website a interesting trivia for you
> guys, and as advertising. I'd like to know if you guys think its
> uncool, or if you are curious and think I should post such
> tidbits.

I'm usually dead set against self-glorification, some software houses 
and even small time developers are really full of themselves. It 
emits an air of arrogance which puts a distance between them and 
their clientele. And often, their software isn't even worth talking 
about.

On the other hand, many developers of real quality software are so 
low key that the sheer genius and usefulness of their products elude 
the masses. It seems like these days people don't recognize quality 
goods anymore unless someone rubs their noses into it. A mass media 
side effect I suppose.

I would certainly classify you (and ShadowPlan) into this last group. 
There's a huge difference between posting true life experiences from 
people who use your software in a remarkable way to improve their 
efficiency and the more repelling than attracting "Your product is 
amazing! I registered 5 seconds after I downloaded it!"

Roy.

From: Neal Cordle  <ncordle@y...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion; press/media things on web?

In honor of the queen's cook:

"He who tooteth not his own horn, hath not his own
horn tootethed!"

or something like that.

I appreciate "news" and user testimonials.  They give
me new ideas for my own applications.

Neal

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From: Tim McPike  <tkmcpike@m...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 8:11pm
Subject: Re: Opinion; press/media things on web?

They would be useful because they often contain ideas for new ways to use 
the program.  Besides, as others have said, you deserve it!!

At 11:35 AM 5/20/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>         Are these bits worth posting, or should I keep them to
>myself? I'm tempted to make press releases about such things, since I find
>them interesting, but I do not wish to come across as some advertising
>slimeball.
>
>                 jeff

From: mjahr@w...
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 9:11pm
Subject: XML conformity

Jeff,

would you mind to add a XML identification header to your files when 
creating them during hotsync (i.e. prepend 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>

as a each file's first line? I'm trying to process the files with 
XLST / Saxon, but get an error unless this line is present (which 
itself is correct, since wellformed XML files need this identifying 
tag).

Thanks

Martin

From: Bob & Kelly Hughes  <bhughes@d...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 11:07pm
Subject: RE: Opinion; press/media things on web?

On Sunday, May 20, 2001 Jeff wrote:

<< Are these bits worth posting?>>

IMHO, absolutely!!!  I am very interested in who is using Shadow and *how*
they are using it.
Perhaps a new forum [shadow-stories}???

Regards,
Bob Hughes



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From: Linda Pancrazio  <lpancrazio@s...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 11:32pm
Subject: RE: Opinion; press/media things on web?

I went to your page today to look up how to register and I thought the
Polarstern article was neat.  I think it's nice to share different and
special ways your software is used.  You have every right to brag a bit.

I just got my Palm m105 for my birthday last week and then hit the web
looking for applications.  I'm glad I found ShadowPlan. :)

Linda P.
(and, yes, I've already whipped out the credit card - I'm waiting paitently
for my reg code now. <g>)


>         Are these bits worth posting, or should I keep them to
> myself? I'm tempted to make press releases about such things,
> since I find
> them interesting, but I do not wish to come across as some advertising
> slimeball.
>
>                  jeff

From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2001 11:49pm
Subject: A minor request

I wish the List titles could be longer; I'd like to see them simply line break if necessary, perhaps with indentation when they go to extra lines. Usually my lists are project plans and I like to title them with a Verb and Object combination, a short sentence; often this won't fit the current length limitation.

Bob Boudewyns
Boudewyns@B...


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:18am
Subject: Re: XML conformity

On Sun, 20 May 2001 mjahr@w... wrote:

> would you mind to add a XML identification header to your files when 
> creating them during hotsync (i.e. prepend 
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>

	This is present in later versions of the conduit (not yet
released). It adds much more info to the xml, and is formatted more
standardly.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:21am
Subject: RE: Opinion; press/media things on web?

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob & Kelly Hughes wrote:

> << Are these bits worth posting?>>
> 
> IMHO, absolutely!!!  I am very interested in who is using Shadow and *how*
> they are using it.
> Perhaps a new forum [shadow-stories}???

	Given the positive feedback, I'll make a "Press Releases" section
on the website, perhaps, to put these things or links.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:23am
Subject: Re: A minor request

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> I wish the List titles could be longer; I'd like to see them simply
> line break if necessary, perhaps with indentation when they go to
> extra lines. Usually my lists are project plans and I like to title
> them with a Verb and Object combination, a short sentence; often this
> won't fit the current length limitation.

	Which version are you using? The more recent versions 1.5.x, and
maybe 1.4.x, allow you to have about 240 characters in the title, which
works out to 3 or 4 screen lines on the usual palms, I think. The note can
be 4K long, which is pretty hefty. It was only the very original versions
which limited your title lines very significantly.

	I'm not expecting to increase the title length, though I can ...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:47am
Subject: Re: A minor request

Hi, Jeff;

I'm using version 1.5.4.

I wonder if I am using the wrong language when I say List Title. I am
referring to the lines on the open screen of ShadowPlan. A sample from my
screen is "Speed Jan Computer (0/9)    1408". If the title would handle more
characters I would use the title "Speed up Jan's Computer" but that seems to
be 5 characters too long.

Bob Boudewyns
Boudewyns@B...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <skeezix@s...>
To: "Bob Boudewyns" <boudewyns@b...>
Cc: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] A minor request


> On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
>
> > I wish the List titles could be longer; I'd like to see them simply
> > line break if necessary, perhaps with indentation when they go to
> > extra lines. Usually my lists are project plans and I like to title
> > them with a Verb and Object combination, a short sentence; often this
> > won't fit the current length limitation.
>
> Which version are you using? The more recent versions 1.5.x, and
> maybe 1.4.x, allow you to have about 240 characters in the title, which
> works out to 3 or 4 screen lines on the usual palms, I think. The note can
> be 4K long, which is pretty hefty. It was only the very original versions
> which limited your title lines very significantly.
>
> I'm not expecting to increase the title length, though I can ...
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>

From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 4:41am
Subject: Global Find

I appreciate the ability to use the Global find in Shadow. I notice that Find does not catch words that are contained in the list titles, only in the list items. Is it possible for titles to be included in Find also? I'm using version 1.5.4.
Bob Boudewyns
Boudewyns@B...


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From: easy-123@e...
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 0:46pm
Subject: Re: Returning to Shadow after linking

> 	I'm not interested in bloating up Shadow to 400k to do the 
same
> thing ;)
> 
> 		jeff

Thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU!!!

It seems that every update/upgrade of every software ever written 
must be larger with more bells and whistles than the version before 
it. Often, such changes add little to the functionality. On a system 
that for many continues to have limited memory space, it is 
unreasonable to use up that space for non-essential additions.

The issue of back linking is for me a non-issue. I often need to move 
from one program to another, neither of which is ShadowPlan. There 
are many excellent programs (McPhling, PopFavorites, SwitchHack---
some of which are freeware) available to accomplish this very goal.

  stan

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:45pm
Subject: Re: A minor request

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> I wonder if I am using the wrong language when I say List Title. I am
> referring to the lines on the open screen of ShadowPlan. A sample from my
> screen is "Speed Jan Computer (0/9)    1408". If the title would handle more
> characters I would use the title "Speed up Jan's Computer" but that seems to
> be 5 characters too long.

	Ahh, quite. This is addressed in the FAQ, but essentially is
this: Palm OS only allows a few characters for the filename, and thus I
limit you to that number (minus a couple for my own use). I coudl allow
you to use longer filenames, and then just munge it down into somethign
that fits into the PalmOS space, but then you'd have a hard to finding the
file on your desktop and doing other things with it, so I ruled that out..

	So the filename is something I cannot fiddle with much..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Samir Kasme  <samir.kasme@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 2:49pm
Subject: Hard buttons & categories cycling (Was Returning to Shadow after linking)

--- Dans shadow-discuss@e..., "Larry Hess, CPA" <lhhesscpa@y...> a 
écrit
> Using the hard ToDo button & launcher software make sense


... Speaking of assigning hard buttons to ShadowPlan: I also do that 
(of course: such an useful app _has_ to be promoted to Hard Button 
Status ;-)... and I would find it very useful to be able to cycle 
through categories by pressing again on the button. Just like the 
built-in apps. 
In fact the first thing I find myself doing after launching 
ShadowPlan, is usually change the category (often after closing the 
current list).
So I guess it should come -for it to be really useful- together with 
a new preference of always closing the current list on exiting. 


Cheers
Samir

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 3:31pm
Subject: Re: Global Find

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> I appreciate the ability to use the Global find in Shadow. I notice
> that Find does not catch words that are contained in the list titles,
> only in the list items. Is it possible for titles to be included in
> Find also? I'm using version 1.5.4.

	I've never thought about such a feature; it would complicate the
global find, which really wants to find a record and not a whole file. I
could perhaps add a find feature to the selection screen, but I'm not sure
too many people would use it. How many lists do you have?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 5:44pm
Subject: Re: Global Find

I have a couple dozen lists just now. Sometimes I combine them, sometimes I cut a branch out and make it a new list. And, sometimes I forget whether I have done either of the above! If the Global Find caught List Names also my declining synapses would be appreciative. I think I see what you mean, though, about finding records, not files. 

Bob Boudewyns
Boudewyns@B...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Global Find


  On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

  > I appreciate the ability to use the Global find in Shadow. I notice
  > that Find does not catch words that are contained in the list titles,
  > only in the list items. Is it possible for titles to be included in
  > Find also? I'm using version 1.5.4.

        I've never thought about such a feature; it would complicate the
  global find, which really wants to find a record and not a whole file. I
  could perhaps add a find feature to the selection screen, but I'm not sure
  too many people would use it. How many lists do you have?

              jeff

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From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 5:55pm
Subject: Re: A minor request

My apologies if this is a reposting. My original message seemed to get lost.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <skeezix@s...>
To: "Bob Boudewyns" <boudewyns@b...>
Cc: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] A minor request


> On Sun, 20 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
>
> > I wish the List titles could be longer; I'd like to see them simply
> > line break if necessary, perhaps with indentation when they go to
> > extra lines. Usually my lists are project plans and I like to title
> > them with a Verb and Object combination, a short sentence; often this
> > won't fit the current length limitation.
>
> Which version are you using? The more recent versions 1.5.x, and
> maybe 1.4.x, allow you to have about 240 characters in the title, which
> works out to 3 or 4 screen lines on the usual palms, I think. The note can
> be 4K long, which is pretty hefty. It was only the very original versions
> which limited your title lines very significantly.
>
> I'm not expecting to increase the title length, though I can ...
>
> jeff

Hi, Jeff;

I'm using version 1.5.4.

I wonder if I am using the wrong language when I say List Title. I am
referring to the lines on the opening screen of ShadowPlan. A sample from my
screen is "Speed Jan Computer (0/9)    1408". If the title would handle more
characters I would use the title "Speed up Jan's Computer" but that seems to
be 5 characters too long. As it is now what I am calling List Titles seem to
be limited to 17 characters.


Bob Boudewyns
Boudewyns@B...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 6:33pm
Subject: Re: A minor request

On Mon, 21 May 2001, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> My apologies if this is a reposting. My original message seemed to get
> lost.

I posted; sign into yahoogroups and check the url:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/926

The relevant part is:

	Ahh, quite. This is addressed in the FAQ, but essentially is
this: Palm OS only allows a few characters for the filename, and thus I
limit you to that number (minus a couple for my own use). I coudl allow
you to use longer filenames, and then just munge it down into somethign
that fits into the PalmOS space, but then you'd have a hard to finding the
file on your desktop and doing other things with it, so I ruled that out..

	So the filename is something I cannot fiddle with much..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: loraneb@u...
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 8:31pm
Subject: Re: A minor request

If you want to use a hack, FontHack will let you select a different 
font to use with the program.  At Palmgear I DL'd several font 
packages and utilities to do this.  Now I see more on each Shadow 
screen, including the list titles.

Lorane

From: boudewyns@b...
Date: Mon May 21, 2001 9:33pm
Subject: Re: A minor request

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., loraneb@u... wrote:
> If you want to use a hack, FontHack will let you select a different 
> font to use with the program.  At Palmgear I DL'd several font 
> packages and utilities to do this.  Now I see more on each Shadow 
> screen, including the list titles.
> 
> Lorane

Lorane, I suppose the font you use is more slender than the standard? 
How readable is it for general use?

From: Peter R Grierson  <peter.grierson@s...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 1:27am
Subject: Re: Opinion; press/media things on web?

On Sun, 20 May 2001 Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

	There are various amusing events that I hear about, and that I
could repost on my website a interesting trivia for you guys, and as
advertising. I'd like to know if you guys think its uncool, or if you are
curious and think I should post such tidbits.

=======
I am interested.

I would give a higher priority to stories that give clues on techniques that
might be adopted/adapted by other Shadow-Plan users.

Peter R. Grierson, Ph.D.

I can't spell and my typing is lousy.
Is it too much to hope that my lousy typing
will correct my poor spelling.

From: tonyelit@s...
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 7:25am
Subject: Zoom Unzoom Shortcut

Hi Jeff 
Here is  a low priority suggestion.
When you start working again on the pilot side of Shadow i would  
like to see a Zoom, Unzoom shortcut (/Z /U or something similar) 
which can really make working with hevily nested lists much more 
productive. It seems that it is the only menu option without a 
shortcut assigned to it! I know that there is the view button option 
but still think a shortcut  is more convinient for a seasoned user
Thanks again for your attentions to all our voices - whims
Anthony

From: Boris Michael von Luhovoy  <luhovoy@c...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 7:26pm
Subject: join discussion

mfg

Boris Michael von Luhovoy
Palmtop-Pro Magazin
DAS Magazin für mobile Anwender
www.palmtop-pro.com

From: qrtcnels@f...
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 0:55pm
Subject: Brighthand Review of Outliners for Palm

I can not believe that Brighthand, http://www.brighthand.com, did not 
include Shadow Plan in thier review of outliners for Palm.  Look for 
yourself:  

http://www.brighthand.com/html/palmos/review/software/outliners.html

I must not be the only one because if you look in the comments 
section for the article it appears others feel the same way.  Shadow 
Plan is by far the best outliner out there for Palm.  I love it.  Of 
course these are just my thoughts.

Quintin Nelson

From: Bear  <ace_xe@y...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 1:42pm
Subject: OH-WOW!

Oh WOW, Oh WOW and Oh WOW!!!

Jeff, you are a sneeky one.  I just smurfed by Shadow desktop home at 
Codejedi.com, and I was floored!  I love the look of the desktop app 
so far.  I don't remember you mentioning in the newsgroup that a 
screenshot was available to drool over.

Why, I havn't been this excited since Disneyland(tm)!!!

BEAR

Evil genious and Mad Scientist Extraordinaire.
Card carrying member of Distructive Engineers.
General Chaos Adventurer.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 1:59pm
Subject: Re: Brighthand Review of Outliners for Palm

On Tue, 22 May 2001 qrtcnels@f... wrote:

> I can not believe that Brighthand, http://www.brighthand.com, did not 
> include Shadow Plan in thier review of outliners for Palm.  Look for 
> yourself:  
> 
> http://www.brighthand.com/html/palmos/review/software/outliners.html

	Strange! Such is life .. I don't put money into magazine
advertising, so Shadow can be overlooked. Goes to show.. deep pockets
makes for good reviews ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 2:00pm
Subject: Re: OH-WOW!

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Bear wrote:

> Oh WOW, Oh WOW and Oh WOW!!!
> 
> Jeff, you are a sneeky one.  I just smurfed by Shadow desktop home at 
> Codejedi.com, and I was floored!  I love the look of the desktop app 
> so far.  I don't remember you mentioning in the newsgroup that a 
> screenshot was available to drool over.

	Its too alpha to show off yet.. the screenshot is just a sneeky
little teaser :)  Its read-only right now, with the ability to
save-as-html and print. That will be going alpha asap, so people can see
how it works and make comments and requests, so I know what direction to
go in..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Boris Michael von Luhovoy  <luhovoy@c...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 0:17am
Subject: Re: Brighthand Review of Outliners for Palm

am 22.05.2001 5:59 Uhr schrieb Jeff Mitchell unter support@s...:

Goes to show.. deep pockets
makes for good reviews ;)

---

Normally your perfectly right - but not always and not everywhere Jeff!

You got a excellent review and a Award in our Palmtop-pro magazine which is
the premium magazine in europe and a ongoing workshop on Shadow in the
following magazines till end of the year - If you have emptied your pocket
for that on me, kindly let me know where to look for :-)

Keep your good work!

Have a look at:

http://www.palmtop-pro.com/seal/seal_shadow.htm

cheers

Boris Michael von Luhovoy
Palmtop-Pro Magazin
DAS Magazin für mobile Anwender
www.palmtop-pro.com

From: loraneb@u...
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 3:50pm
Subject: Re: A minor request

The font I'm using for Shadow is called Compact Roman.  It is still 
quite readable on my IIIc and yet I can get more letters on each
line. 
 With FontHack, you select the font you want to use for each 
application.  So Shadow uses CompactRoman - the other apps still use 
the regular font, unless I want to change those as well.

Lorane


> Lorane, I suppose the font you use is more slender than the 
standard? 
> How readable is it for general use?

From: Raul Bianchi Lastra  <rbianchi@i...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 8:15pm
Subject: Feature request

Dear Jeff:

I am a new (and very happy) registered user of Shadow Plan, and I apologize
if this feature request was posted before:
It is possible that the linked address and memos in a list be exported to
memos and/or DOCs?
I lost this usefull information when I do that!

raul

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Feature request

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Raul Bianchi Lastra wrote:

> I am a new (and very happy) registered user of Shadow Plan, and I apologize
> if this feature request was posted before:
> It is possible that the linked address and memos in a list be exported to
> memos and/or DOCs?
> I lost this usefull information when I do that!

	It can be done; I've not done it yet, since it'd be a slower
operation -- ie: If you had 50 links in a file, and then export, Shadow
will have to wuickly flip through those 50 links to include them in the
export. Also, does that imply that imports should accept things that look
like addresses, look them up and make links to them? Pretty complex stuff
:)

	I coudl inlude them in exports, perhaps, but not likely in imports
(or at least not likely on the palm side). The desktop tool may have
better export abilities.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rbianchi@i...
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Feature request

Dear jeff:

Thank for the fast response!!
I request this feature only for exports. Will be very usefull for me.
Also, you can add it has an option (check mark) in the export box,
and always is 'under the user responsability' if they have a lots of 
links!

Best regards,
               raul

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2001, Raul Bianchi Lastra wrote:
> 
> > I am a new (and very happy) registered user of Shadow Plan, and I 
apologize
> > if this feature request was posted before:
> > It is possible that the linked address and memos in a list be 
exported to
> > memos and/or DOCs?
> > I lost this usefull information when I do that!
> 
> 	It can be done; I've not done it yet, since it'd be a slower
> operation -- ie: If you had 50 links in a file, and then export, 
Shadow
> will have to wuickly flip through those 50 links to include them in 
the
> export. Also, does that imply that imports should accept things 
that look
> like addresses, look them up and make links to them? Pretty complex 
stuff
> :)
> 
> 	I coudl inlude them in exports, perhaps, but not likely in 
imports
> (or at least not likely on the palm side). The desktop tool may have
> better export abilities.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Randy Dow  <rdow@w...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 10:32pm
Subject: Re: Default color picker

As a future enhancement request:

I'd like an option to set all the children to the color of the 
parent.  I have some lists which cover assignments to a bunch of 
other people and I'd like to color code them by just modifying the 
parent entry.

Thanks,
Randy

From: Randy Dow  <rdow@w...>
Date: Tue May 22, 2001 10:40pm
Subject: Progress bars on children

I'm not sure if this is a bug or just an enhancement request, but 
using rev 1.5.4  of the software I was playing with the "Suppress 
progress on children" option and it didn't behave as I'd hoped.

It turned off all progress bars, even for children that are also 
parents (say a 2nd level item with 3rd level "children" of its own).

The way I'd like for this to work would be to only turn off progress 
bars on children that are also not parents.  This way I could see the 
progress level of a parent task (at any level) without expanding it 
by looking at the progress bar, but the progress bar wouldn't be 
needed on the individual "non-parent" children since each one is 
individually checked-off (when using lists of this type with this 
option enabled).

Thanks,
Randy

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 1:12am
Subject: Re: Re: Default color picker

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Randy Dow wrote:

> As a future enhancement request:
> 
> I'd like an option to set all the children to the color of the 
> parent.  I have some lists which cover assignments to a bunch of 
> other people and I'd like to color code them by just modifying the 
> parent entry.

	Including drag and dropped children? (ie: Cut an item, it loses
it keeps its colour. Paste it to become the child of an item, and it
assumes the colour of the new parent. If the parent has no colour, then
what?)

	Painful work that :P But maybe.. bug me later when I get back to
focusing on the palm side. (Yes I know I keep saying this, but my Shadow
todo list is a couple hundred items already and I am afraid to add any
more items onto it ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 1:12am
Subject: Re: Progress bars on children

Anyone who wants this changed or left the same?

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Randy Dow wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is a bug or just an enhancement request, but 
> using rev 1.5.4  of the software I was playing with the "Suppress 
> progress on children" option and it didn't behave as I'd hoped.
> 
> It turned off all progress bars, even for children that are also 
> parents (say a 2nd level item with 3rd level "children" of its own).
> 
> The way I'd like for this to work would be to only turn off progress 
> bars on children that are also not parents.  This way I could see the 
> progress level of a parent task (at any level) without expanding it 
> by looking at the progress bar, but the progress bar wouldn't be 
> needed on the individual "non-parent" children since each one is 
> individually checked-off (when using lists of this type with this 
> option enabled).
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy
> 
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Randy Dow  <rdow@w...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 5:29pm
Subject: Re: Default color picker

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	Including drag and dropped children? (ie: Cut an item, it 
loses
> it keeps its colour. Paste it to become the child of an item, and it
> assumes the colour of the new parent. If the parent has no colour, 
then
> what?)

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.  I'd be happy if I could just have 
the option of when I color the parent it's children would get the 
same... or even if I could select a block of items and set their 
color.

Or maybe just assign colors to categories a'la Datebk?

Thanks,

Randy

From: Matthew.Blair@i...
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 6:34pm
Subject: Turn on/off checkboxes for individual items?

Just wondering - is there a way to make some items tasks, and other 
items non-tasks (i.e, similar to note view)  within the same list?  
Or is it all or nothing?

Hope that was clear... :-)

Matthew

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 23, 2001 6:41pm
Subject: Re: Turn on/off checkboxes for individual items?

On Wed, 23 May 2001 Matthew.Blair@i... wrote:

> Just wondering - is there a way to make some items tasks, and other 
> items non-tasks (i.e, similar to note view)  within the same list?  
> Or is it all or nothing?

	In 1.5.4 all items have the same look and feel; in a futur version
(1.6.x maybe?) you'll be able to create items of the various built-in
types inside of the given list. (ie: Create a list will set the default,
but you'll be able to turn any item into any format you like)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:02am
Subject: Problem linking to datebook

Running OS 3.52 on a Handspring Prism.  From within a list in Shadow 
(v 1.54), tap "new from" in the item drop down list. Then, tap 
datebook....my box is blank!  It was working last week.  The only new 
thing I've done is download the latest beta build of dtbk4.0e.  I 
changed the default datebook to date book and date book + with no 
luck.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Henry

From: sjpanther01@h...
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:05am
Subject: Linking Enhancements

Jeff:

I would be very useful if ShadowPlan provided the ability to link to 
individual items/children within other ShadowPlan lists.  Have you 
considered this?  This would allow project managers to relate 
concurrent tasks that are dependent on other individuals or projects.

Norman

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 11:41am
Subject: Re: Problem linking to datebook

On Thu, 24 May 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:

> Running OS 3.52 on a Handspring Prism.  From within a list in Shadow 
> (v 1.54), tap "new from" in the item drop down list. Then, tap 
> datebook....my box is blank!  It was working last week.  The only new 
> thing I've done is download the latest beta build of dtbk4.0e.  I 
> changed the default datebook to date book and date book + with no 
> luck.

	Did you use the "Pick Week" button to pick a week with datebook
events in it?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 11:45am
Subject: Re: Linking Enhancements

On Thu, 24 May 2001 sjpanther01@h... wrote:

> I would be very useful if ShadowPlan provided the ability to link to 
> individual items/children within other ShadowPlan lists.  Have you 
> considered this?  This would allow project managers to relate 
> concurrent tasks that are dependent on other individuals or projects.

	There are several problems inherent in doing it on a small
platform like the palm; for one, it'd be tough to make a good UI to allow
it (ie: Split screen would be a must-have, I think. I'd like to do that,
but not for awhile).  The larger problem is thus:

	List A item B links to list Six, item Ten, links to List Alpha,
Link Gamma.

	So if you modify AB, then go to Alpha, you'll not see the changes,
since it would only be aware of SixTen, which doesn't update until you go
to Six.  Each link cannot have a list of all other links to the same
objects, since it gets messy and huge fast, and when you chaneg an item,
it'd be crazy to seek through all lists looking for links to/from it
(directly and indirectly) to change them all.

	There are ways around it, but they're all pretty complex and
likely slow.. so they'll have to wait awhile. Thats why I made it so you
can link to lists, but not yet items. I'm working on it :P

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kencn@a...
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:33pm
Subject: Re: Linking Enhancements

Jeff,

Just as an aside, this is exactly the kind of response to a request I 
wish more developers could provide.  I know it's a lot of work to 
summarize the issues and recap design considerations, but it 
show's you've thought about it and aren't just making arbitrary 
decisions about feature requests.  I'm sure there are other 
developers who do just make arbitrary decisions,  but I bet many 
really think through their development decisions and just never 
bother to share their reasoning with their users.  Consequently, they 
come off as unresponsive or arrogant.  Anyway, since success will 
breed more users it may get harder to keep up this kind of 
responsiveness, but I really appreciate the effort so far.

Ken

(Ju

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001 sjpanther01@h... wrote:
> 
> > I would be very useful if ShadowPlan provided the ability to link 
to 
> > individual items/children within other ShadowPlan lists.  Have 
you 
> > considered this?  This would allow project managers to relate 
> > concurrent tasks that are dependent on other individuals or 
projects.
> 
> 	There are several problems inherent in doing it on a small
> platform like the palm; for one, it'd be tough to make a good UI to 
allow
> it (ie: Split screen would be a must-have, I think. I'd like to do 
that,
> but not for awhile).  The larger problem is thus:
> 
> 	List A item B links to list Six, item Ten, links to List 
Alpha,
> Link Gamma.
> 
> 	So if you modify AB, then go to Alpha, you'll not see the 
changes,
> since it would only be aware of SixTen, which doesn't update until 
you go
> to Six.  Each link cannot have a list of all other links to the same
> objects, since it gets messy and huge fast, and when you chaneg an 
item,
> it'd be crazy to seek through all lists looking for links to/from it
> (directly and indirectly) to change them all.
> 
> 	There are ways around it, but they're all pretty complex and
> likely slow.. so they'll have to wait awhile. Thats why I made it 
so you
> can link to lists, but not yet items. I'm working on it :P
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Don Kurre  <reo@n...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:21pm
Subject: Trouble with link to

Jeff,
I'm having trouble with the link to function of Shadow. I am using Shadow
1.54 on a Visor Deluxe. I also use the Datebook+ program that shipped with
the Visor. When I choose link to datebook link in the Link Manager the item
is sent to the datebook but the link is not active. If I mark it done in
Shadow it is not marked done in Datebook. The Link To does work in the todo
app. Is there something I can do to get this working? Thanks for your help.

Don

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:33pm
Subject: Re: Trouble with link to

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Don Kurre wrote:

> I'm having trouble with the link to function of Shadow. I am using Shadow
> 1.54 on a Visor Deluxe. I also use the Datebook+ program that shipped with
> the Visor. When I choose link to datebook link in the Link Manager the item
> is sent to the datebook but the link is not active. If I mark it done in
> Shadow it is not marked done in Datebook. The Link To does work in the todo
> app. Is there something I can do to get this working? Thanks for your help.

	It should work fine, and certianly does in that environment. Try
create a new linked item, and then fiddling with the checkbox and such
right away -- ie: dont' turn it repeating or anything.. just create an
item in a shadow database, then link it to the datebook, and do a
"goto" and see it in the database. Then change the text, and go back to
shadow, and see if the text changes.. it should. If not, there is
something wacky going on.

	"Repeat"ing items can react oddly, depending on the program, since
repeats are done differently in each program, and if they do it certain
ways they break the link. But non-repeating events should always work well
with links. Datebook+ shoudl be ifne .. I use it all the time myself, on
my Visor :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Don Kurre  <reo@n...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:51pm
Subject: Re: Trouble with link to

Jeff,
Yes, if I change the text in Shadow the text changes in Datebook+ and
vis-versa. But, if I mark the item done in Shadow or datebook+ it is not
marked done in the other program.  The items are not "Repeat"ing.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Trouble with link to


> On Thu, 24 May 2001, Don Kurre wrote:
>
> > I'm having trouble with the link to function of Shadow. I am using
Shadow
> > 1.54 on a Visor Deluxe. I also use the Datebook+ program that shipped
with
> > the Visor. When I choose link to datebook link in the Link Manager the
item
> > is sent to the datebook but the link is not active. If I mark it done in
> > Shadow it is not marked done in Datebook. The Link To does work in the
todo
> > app. Is there something I can do to get this working? Thanks for your
help.
>
> It should work fine, and certianly does in that environment. Try
> create a new linked item, and then fiddling with the checkbox and such
> right away -- ie: dont' turn it repeating or anything.. just create an
> item in a shadow database, then link it to the datebook, and do a
> "goto" and see it in the database. Then change the text, and go back to
> shadow, and see if the text changes.. it should. If not, there is
> something wacky going on.
>
> "Repeat"ing items can react oddly, depending on the program, since
> repeats are done differently in each program, and if they do it certain
> ways they break the link. But non-repeating events should always work well
> with links. Datebook+ shoudl be ifne .. I use it all the time myself, on
> my Visor :)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Trouble with link to

On Thu, 24 May 2001, Don Kurre wrote:

> Yes, if I change the text in Shadow the text changes in Datebook+ and
> vis-versa. But, if I mark the item done in Shadow or datebook+ it is not
> marked done in the other program.  The items are not "Repeat"ing.

	Ah, wait-a-minute .. datebook items do not have a "completed"
flag. Thats an extensions to the standard, and as such isn't supported
until I get some other more important things done that everyone can take
advantage of. (The author of the various DateBook applications took great
liberty with the datebook and todo records, though hsi extensions are not
"standard", per se)  I've decided I'll do things first that work with
everyone, and then do things that work with Datebook or Action Names and
such later, when the essentials are done..

	(ie: The checkbox from todo is synced, because it is standard)

		jeff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Trouble with link to
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 24 May 2001, Don Kurre wrote:
> >
> > > I'm having trouble with the link to function of Shadow. I am using
> Shadow
> > > 1.54 on a Visor Deluxe. I also use the Datebook+ program that shipped
> with
> > > the Visor. When I choose link to datebook link in the Link Manager the
> item
> > > is sent to the datebook but the link is not active. If I mark it done in
> > > Shadow it is not marked done in Datebook. The Link To does work in the
> todo
> > > app. Is there something I can do to get this working? Thanks for your
> help.
> >
> > It should work fine, and certianly does in that environment. Try
> > create a new linked item, and then fiddling with the checkbox and such
> > right away -- ie: dont' turn it repeating or anything.. just create an
> > item in a shadow database, then link it to the datebook, and do a
> > "goto" and see it in the database. Then change the text, and go back to
> > shadow, and see if the text changes.. it should. If not, there is
> > something wacky going on.
> >
> > "Repeat"ing items can react oddly, depending on the program, since
> > repeats are done differently in each program, and if they do it certain
> > ways they break the link. But non-repeating events should always work well
> > with links. Datebook+ shoudl be ifne .. I use it all the time myself, on
> > my Visor :)
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
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sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Don Kurre  <reo@n...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Trouble with link to

Jeff,
Thanks for the explanation--now I know what is going on and I can stop
trying to make it work! :)
I appreciate your support --- Thanks
Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Trouble with link to


> On Thu, 24 May 2001, Don Kurre wrote:
>
> > Yes, if I change the text in Shadow the text changes in Datebook+ and
> > vis-versa. But, if I mark the item done in Shadow or datebook+ it is not
> > marked done in the other program.  The items are not "Repeat"ing.
>
> Ah, wait-a-minute .. datebook items do not have a "completed"
> flag. Thats an extensions to the standard, and as such isn't supported
> until I get some other more important things done that everyone can take
> advantage of. (The author of the various DateBook applications took great
> liberty with the datebook and todo records, though hsi extensions are not
> "standard", per se)  I've decided I'll do things first that work with
> everyone, and then do things that work with Datebook or Action Names and
> such later, when the essentials are done..
>
> (ie: The checkbox from todo is synced, because it is standard)
>
> jeff
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
> > To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Trouble with link to
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 May 2001, Don Kurre wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm having trouble with the link to function of Shadow. I am using
> > Shadow
> > > > 1.54 on a Visor Deluxe. I also use the Datebook+ program that
shipped
> > with
> > > > the Visor. When I choose link to datebook link in the Link Manager
the
> > item
> > > > is sent to the datebook but the link is not active. If I mark it
done in
> > > > Shadow it is not marked done in Datebook. The Link To does work in
the
> > todo
> > > > app. Is there something I can do to get this working? Thanks for
your
> > help.
> > >
> > > It should work fine, and certianly does in that environment. Try
> > > create a new linked item, and then fiddling with the checkbox and such
> > > right away -- ie: dont' turn it repeating or anything.. just create an
> > > item in a shadow database, then link it to the datebook, and do a
> > > "goto" and see it in the database. Then change the text, and go back
to
> > > shadow, and see if the text changes.. it should. If not, there is
> > > something wacky going on.
> > >
> > > "Repeat"ing items can react oddly, depending on the program, since
> > > repeats are done differently in each program, and if they do it
certain
> > > ways they break the link. But non-repeating events should always work
well
> > > with links. Datebook+ shoudl be ifne .. I use it all the time myself,
on
> > > my Visor :)
> > >
> > > jeff
> > >
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > >
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From: mitz009@a...
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 0:34am
Subject: Problem linking to datebook

I have tried picked several different weeks, but none of the datebook 
entries are showing up.  I disabled my hacks and textplus, and 
disconnected my springboard slot, just to check.  No luck.  

As I mentioned, I downloaded a beta of dtbk4.0, so I'm wondering if 
there is anything CESD could have done to create this condition?

It's strange.

Henry

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 1:01am
Subject: Re: Problem linking to datebook

On Fri, 25 May 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:

> I have tried picked several different weeks, but none of the datebook 
> entries are showing up.  I disabled my hacks and textplus, and 
> disconnected my springboard slot, just to check.  No luck.  
> 
> As I mentioned, I downloaded a beta of dtbk4.0, so I'm wondering if 
> there is anything CESD could have done to create this condition?
> 
> It's strange.

	Hmm, maybe. I wonder if it sorts differently or something. Try
messing around in the normal Datebook, and see if that jelps.. (ie: Create
a couple test items, then flip to Shadow). If CESD's toys muck it up, I'll
have to make a fix..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 1:43am
Subject: Multiple item types in one list..

How do you think the UI should go with this? 

	For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that was
intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..

	I always envisioned that in Shadow, your list type is the overall
default for the list, so that all items are implicitly the same type as
the list itself is. (ie: How it is now)  When I add the mixed types
ability, woudl you just like a pop arrow on the Details window, so that
when you hit New, you can just do it as normal, or if you like pop up the
types and set it yourself?

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Doug Roberts  <doug@b...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 2:44am
Subject: RE: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

I appreciate this post on David Allen. Although Shadow is great, I don't see
how to use it with David's program. I would appreciate anyone else's
thoughts on this. The one part that has me stymied -- I'm using a Palm to
synch between a work and home computer using Outlook tasks. I have David
Allen's categories set up to transfer between the three -- so far it works
pretty well -- but when new items come into the Palm from either computer,
Shadow doesn't know and doesn't link. These new items have to be laboriously
ferreted out and linked into Shadow -- this doesn't make sense to do. Also,
individual items in Shadow can't have categories. Anyone else thought about
this, or using this kind of system. I'm thinking the best way to use Shadow
is to help brainstorm projects into action tasks. I feel like I have this
great potential tool in Shadow and I'm not sure how to put it to good use!?
I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. How are you using Shadow to
manage daily tasks?

-Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Manfred Ell [mailto:manfred.ell@w...]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:04 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., merobbins@m... wrote:
> Someone pointed out that I gave an out of date web address for
> David Allen's site with tips for using a palm for project
> management.  The correct address is
> http://www.davidallenonline.com
>

Use: http://www.davidallenonline.com/gtt_template.php3

Manfred


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From: sjpanther01@h...
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 4:14am
Subject: Re: Linking Enhancements

Jeff:

Thank you for your reply.  Your type of reply is one reason I decided 
to register ShadowPlan.  I'm sure ShadowPlan has a bright future.

Norman


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001 sjpanther01@h... wrote:
> 
> > I would be very useful if ShadowPlan provided the ability to link 
to

From: kencn@a...
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:06am
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

Jeff,

I prefer your approach of defaulting to the overall list type and 
having an pop arrow on the details window.  I don't want to be asked 
to select a type every time I create a new entry.  One other thing to 
consider is the ability to set a default type at each level like the 
numbering options on the list preferences window (you could even 
stick the pop arrows to the right of the numbering prefs). A 'no 
preference' option like with numbering would be good as well.  I can 
see some cases where I'd want all my top level items to be note types 
and it would be nice if Shadow did this automatically.

Ken

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How do you think the UI should go with this? 
> 
> 	For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
> list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that was
> intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..
> 
> 	I always envisioned that in Shadow, your list type is the 
overall
> default for the list, so that all items are implicitly the same 
type as
> the list itself is. (ie: How it is now)  When I add the mixed types
> ability, woudl you just like a pop arrow on the Details window, so 
that
> when you hit New, you can just do it as normal, or if you like pop 
up the
> types and set it yourself?
> 
> 		Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., kencn@a... wrote:
> I prefer your approach of defaulting to the overall list type and 
> having an pop arrow on the details window.  I don't want to be
> asked to select a type every time I create a new entry.

You could also put a symbol (a small triangle pointing up) to the 
right of the button label in the New button. If one taps on this 
triangle, a list with item types pops up to choose from. If the tap 
is registered in a different part of the button face, a default type 
item would be created.

Including a type selection in the details dialog is an option (it can 
even be used in combination with what I just mentioned) but you get 
the added complexity of what to do when converting an item from one 
type to another. For example, if I change the type for an item so it 
looses its progress indicator, will the progress value be remembered 
internally so that if I reintroduce the indicator, the value will 
still be there? (This of course is also an issue when changing the 
list type in the current version of Shadow.)

Roy.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 3:18pm
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Roy van der Woning wrote:

> You could also put a symbol (a small triangle pointing up) to the 
> right of the button label in the New button. If one taps on this 
> triangle, a list with item types pops up to choose from. If the tap 
> is registered in a different part of the button face, a default type 
> item would be created.

	I thought about that, but thought it might confuse people. I could
perhaps add a pref, that when enabled pops up the type list when you hit
new. Making half a button work one way is bound to screw people up :)

> Including a type selection in the details dialog is an option (it can 
> even be used in combination with what I just mentioned) but you get 
> the added complexity of what to do when converting an item from one 
> type to another. For example, if I change the type for an item so it 
> looses its progress indicator, will the progress value be remembered 
> internally so that if I reintroduce the indicator, the value will 
> still be there? (This of course is also an issue when changing the 
> list type in the current version of Shadow.)

	Actually, this has never been an issue with Shadow; I encourage
people to change views as often as they need to, since often the same data
can be better understood by flipping to a custom or note view, and then
back to what it was. As such, all Shadow items will remember past
settings, and indeed this is often required. I'd have to check, but
consider a checkbox item, and then you flip to note view, and apply a
filter on checked items -- Shadow will consider the value, even though it
is hidden by the view.

	Shadow actually works by pooling up known data about items, and
then displaying the requested pieces. I've made it pretty hard to lose any
data, since this is after all a time saving tool ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: chris.greenwood@t...
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:31am
Subject: Re: Problem linking to datebook

> 	Hmm, maybe. I wonder if it sorts differently or something. Try
> messing around in the normal Datebook, and see if that jelps.. (ie: 
Create
> a couple test items, then flip to Shadow). If CESD's toys muck it 
up, I'll
> have to make a fix..

Just a gentle reminder Jeff :)
This is the problem I have had for some time.
Tried creating a test appointment in datebook - no difference, still 
not seen.
I do tend to use the latest beta datebook software however - wonder 
what the term is for 'new software adict'.

Regards
Chris

From: opitz@s...
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:23pm
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

In Datebk4, tapping the "New" button by default pops up a list, but 
can be configured to only give the user a new appointment just like 
the built-in datebook. If that preference is set, and you hold the tap 
for half a second instead of tapping quickly, the popup list comes up. 
It's neither intrusive nor does it involve a second tap. And it's easy 
to remember--tap normally for the normal function, hold it for extra 
related functions.

'Course, I don't know how much code it requires, and I think the 
developer went through a few beta versions before tap-and-hold was 
operating properly.

Bob


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How do you think the UI should go with this? 
> 
> 	For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
> list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that was
> intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..
>

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 3:07am
Subject: Re: Problem linking to datebook

Jeff,

As Chris mentioned, nothing is making the datebook activities 
appear.  I've worked just with the native datebook app, disabled 
hacks and textplus, with no success.  Is there another program or 
setting that could make the Datebook DB invisible to Shadow?

Henry

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., chris.greenwood@t... wrote:
> > 	Hmm, maybe. I wonder if it sorts differently or something. Try
> > messing around in the normal Datebook, and see if that jelps.. 
(ie: 
> Create
> > a couple test items, then flip to Shadow). If CESD's toys muck it 
> up, I'll
> > have to make a fix..
> 
> Just a gentle reminder Jeff :)
> This is the problem I have had for some time.
> Tried creating a test appointment in datebook - no difference, 
still 
> not seen.
> I do tend to use the latest beta datebook software however - wonder 
> what the term is for 'new software adict'.
> 
> Regards
> Chris

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:58pm
Subject: Re: Problem linking to datebook

I can confirm this using DateBk4 4.0d (release version). I did 
actually manage to get a few appointments to show up, but all other 
appointments for that same week were invisible. I also tried adding a 
few timed and non-timed test appointments but couldn't get them to 
show up in Shadow.

Strangely enough, the one that did show up didn't do so until I first 
switched to a different week and then back to the current week.

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., mitz009@a... wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> As Chris mentioned, nothing is making the datebook activities 
> appear.  I've worked just with the native datebook app, disabled 
> hacks and textplus, with no success.  Is there another program or 
> setting that could make the Datebook DB invisible to Shadow?
> 
> Henry
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., chris.greenwood@t... wrote:
> > > 	Hmm, maybe. I wonder if it sorts differently or something. Try
> > > messing around in the normal Datebook, and see if that jelps.. 
> (ie: 
> > Create
> > > a couple test items, then flip to Shadow). If CESD's toys muck 
it 
> > up, I'll
> > > have to make a fix..
> > 
> > Just a gentle reminder Jeff :)
> > This is the problem I have had for some time.
> > Tried creating a test appointment in datebook - no difference, 
> still 
> > not seen.
> > I do tend to use the latest beta datebook software however - 
wonder 
> > what the term is for 'new software adict'.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Chris

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: Problem linking to datebook

On Sun, 27 May 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:

> As Chris mentioned, nothing is making the datebook activities 
> appear.  I've worked just with the native datebook app, disabled 
> hacks and textplus, with no success.  Is there another program or 
> setting that could make the Datebook DB invisible to Shadow?

	If its sorted oddly, it coudl happen, perhaps. Are there sorting
options in any of these apps? (datebook woudl seem unusual to do
so.. shoudl be sorted by date. Perhaps it gets a little mixed up
sometimes?) I'll have to get back and think about that..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 3:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: Problem linking to datebook

On Sun, 27 May 2001, Roy van der Woning wrote:

> Strangely enough, the one that did show up didn't do so until I first 
> switched to a different week and then back to the current week.

	Oh, thats strange! That spells of s bug!

	I'll add it to my list to look into. Hmrf.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Problem linking to datebook

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:
> 
> > As Chris mentioned, nothing is making the datebook activities 
> > appear.  I've worked just with the native datebook app, disabled 
> > hacks and textplus, with no success.  Is there another program or 
> > setting that could make the Datebook DB invisible to Shadow?
> 
> 	If its sorted oddly, it coudl happen, perhaps. Are there
> sorting options in any of these apps? (datebook woudl seem
> unusual to do so.. shoudl be sorted by date. Perhaps it gets a
> little mixed up sometimes?) I'll have to get back and think
> about that..

I don't know of any explicit sorting options in DateBk4, but it's 
imaginable that there might be some under water sorting going on for 
speed. On the other hand, like you mentioned yourself, this will most 
likely be by date so that shouldn't throw Shadow off the track.

I didn't notice this before because I never use linking from Shadow 
to DateBook, only ToDo, Address and sometimes Memo.

Roy.

From: frazure@m...
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 2:00am
Subject: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

After buying David's book, I have set things up this way, and it is 
working pretty well for me - for four weeks.

I set up a category of Action which includes the following Shadow 
Files:

Anywhere
Call
Computer
Home
Office
Errands

These are one-step actions of over 2 minutes, that are assigned by 
the context in which they will occur.

I have a category of Projects which includes files for every project 
things which require more than one step.

Here I brainstorm the various steps for ongoing review.  The next 
action typically is copied to one of the Action files, but could go 
to to do or calendar directly, I guess.

Another category is Someday/Maybe which includes files of potential 
future projects.

Another Category is Agenda which includes Shadow files of anyone or 
group that I store topics to review with the person/people on next 
opp'y.

I keep a category of Completed to store files that I wish to retain 
for future review after complete.

Another is Read/Review, which I thought I might use to remind of doc 
files, pdf files, books, etc.  Don't use it much.

Last Category is Waiting For where I store other people's projects or 
my own where the next step is in someone else's court.  I simply 
change the category of a Project to Waiting For and then back as 
appropriate.

In terms of linking, I use Outlook at the office and Palm Desktop at 
home; I use Datebook linking within Shadow for time forced events 
which then show on both calendars:  appts, deadlines, etc.

I don't usually use ToDo linking because I use the Action lists as my 
guide during the day.  I carry the Palm around to those contexts and 
don't look to either of my computers for anything.  If I liked 
printing a calendar with ToDo's I'd probably link to ToDo more often.

My office is set up with alpha files.

My e-mail is an Inbox (kept empty -- pretty good for someone who used 
to let it get to 400 before cleaning up); I keep an @Action folder; 
@Projects folder; and @Waiting For folder.  Last I have a Read/Review 
folder and a Reference folder.  The latter is where I store e-mails 
that will be archived to the server along with my Sent folder items.

The key to my system however is Shadow, which is a record of 
everything that takes more than 2 minutes to complete, unless it is 
in the e-mail @Action folder.

I hope this helps someone other than me, because I came to this 
destination after reading in this discussion group and then buying 
Allen's book.  I have tried virtually every organization system out 
there over 20 years.  This one actually works for me - painlessly.


Mike



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Doug Roberts" <doug@b...> wrote:
> I appreciate this post on David Allen. Although Shadow is great, I 
don't see
> how to use it with David's program. I would appreciate anyone else's
> thoughts on this. 

How are you using Shadow to
> manage daily tasks?
> 
> -Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manfred Ell [mailto:manfred.ell@w...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:04 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@y...
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., merobbins@m... wrote:
> > Someone pointed out that I gave an out of date web address for
> > David Allen's site with tips for using a palm for project
> > management.  The correct address is
> > http://www.davidallenonline.com
> >
> 
> Use: http://www.davidallenonline.com/gtt_template.php3
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 
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From: kevinprice@u...
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 6:39am
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

Since with Shadow you can just begin writing in grafitti to open a newly created list, this may not be the best solution.  If not for that it would be a good idea.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., opitz@s... wrote:
> In Datebk4, tapping the "New" button by default pops up a list, but 
> can be configured to only give the user a new appointment just like 
> the built-in datebook. If that preference is set, and you hold the tap 
> for half a second instead of tapping quickly, the popup list comes up. 
> It's neither intrusive nor does it involve a second tap. And it's easy 
> to remember--tap normally for the normal function, hold it for extra 
> related functions.
> 
> 'Course, I don't know how much code it requires, and I think the 
> developer went through a few beta versions before tap-and-hold was 
> operating properly.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> >     How do you think the UI should go with this? 
> > 
> >     For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
> > list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that was
> > intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..
> >

From: kevinprice@u...
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:00am
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

Of course, if Jeff or current Shadow users were willing to give up the ability to create a new list by just writing in Grafitti, then the solution of a pop-up list on the "New" button would be quick and intuitive.

UltraSoft Money uses this method as well.  To create a new item set as the default, tap "New".  To create a new item as other than the default, tap and hold (about 2 seconds) and a pop-up list appears.  You then tap your selection.  In Shadow's case, this would include all the optional default list types, including "Custom".

It's easy for me to accept this option, since I by habit normally use the "New" button instead of simply writing text.  This is just habit, and not actually a preference of mine.

If Jeff and the majority of current Shadow user's were willing to trade the Grafitti-creation functionality for the quick and intuitive pop-up file creation type functionality, I'd say this is an idea worth considering.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., kevinprice@u... wrote:
> Since with Shadow you can just begin writing in grafitti to open a newly created list, this may not be the best solution.  If not for that it would be a good idea.
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., opitz@s... wrote:
> > In Datebk4, tapping the "New" button by default pops up a list, but 
> > can be configured to only give the user a new appointment just like 
> > the built-in datebook. If that preference is set, and you hold the tap 
> > for half a second instead of tapping quickly, the popup list comes up. 
> > It's neither intrusive nor does it involve a second tap. And it's easy 
> > to remember--tap normally for the normal function, hold it for extra 
> > related functions.
> > 
> > 'Course, I don't know how much code it requires, and I think the 
> > developer went through a few beta versions before tap-and-hold was 
> > operating properly.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > 
> > >     How do you think the UI should go with this? 
> > > 
> > >     For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
> > > list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that was
> > > intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..
> > >

From: kevinprice@u...
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:31am
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

Sorry for another posting, but I'm having an ongoing discussion on this topic with myself :)

I just had another thought, and that would be to do the "one-tap default / tap-and-hold options" AND a list-type setting in "Details".  This way, the Grafitti-creation feature stays and a those that prefer that can simply go to details to change the default, or choose to set the change with the "New" button.

Also, it's conceivable someone may not decide what list-type is most suitable until they've opened a new file, so this addresses that as well.

By the way, ActionNames, FireViewer, thinkDB, HandyShopper and other fine applications use the tap-and-hold functionality.  And, of course, it's also intuitive to find optional features in "Details".

Departing from this particular feature and it's UI implementation, I've wondered previously about using the tap-and-hold functionality on existing lists, for options such as Zoom and other preference settings.  
I'd previously suggested moving some of the Global and List preferences down a level onto List Items.  Jeff wrote back saying he'd done that in the newer versions and had the intent of doing such, but asked for input in how to do it in the UI.

The apps I mentioned earlier use the tap-and-hold similarly, and this may be worth considering for this as well.

Okay, I'll shut up now.  No more posts tonite, I promise :)

Kevin


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., kevinprice@u... wrote:
> Of course, if Jeff or current Shadow users were willing to give up the ability to create a new list by just writing in Grafitti, then the solution of a pop-up list on the "New" button would be quick and intuitive.
> 
> UltraSoft Money uses this method as well.  To create a new item set as the default, tap "New".  To create a new item as other than the default, tap and hold (about 2 seconds) and a pop-up list appears.  You then tap your selection.  In Shadow's case, this would include all the optional default list types, including "Custom".
> 
> It's easy for me to accept this option, since I by habit normally use the "New" button instead of simply writing text.  This is just habit, and not actually a preference of mine.
> 
> If Jeff and the majority of current Shadow user's were willing to trade the Grafitti-creation functionality for the quick and intuitive pop-up file creation type functionality, I'd say this is an idea worth considering.
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., kevinprice@u... wrote:
> > Since with Shadow you can just begin writing in grafitti to open a newly created list, this may not be the best solution.  If not for that it would be a good idea.
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., opitz@s... wrote:
> > > In Datebk4, tapping the "New" button by default pops up a list, but 
> > > can be configured to only give the user a new appointment just like 
> > > the built-in datebook. If that preference is set, and you hold the tap 
> > > for half a second instead of tapping quickly, the popup list comes up. 
> > > It's neither intrusive nor does it involve a second tap. And it's easy 
> > > to remember--tap normally for the normal function, hold it for extra 
> > > related functions.
> > > 
> > > 'Course, I don't know how much code it requires, and I think the 
> > > developer went through a few beta versions before tap-and-hold was 
> > > operating properly.
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >     How do you think the UI should go with this? 
> > > > 
> > > >     For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
> > > > list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that was
> > > > intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..
> > > >

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 11:56am
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

On Mon, 28 May 2001 kevinprice@u... wrote:

> I just had another thought, and that would be to do the "one-tap
> default / tap-and-hold options" AND a list-type setting in "Details".  
> This way, the Grafitti-creation feature stays and a those that prefer
> that can simply go to details to change the default, or choose to set
> the change with the "New" button.

	The view-type changed would always have to be in Details, so you
can find it easily in already made items. The question is the conveniance
of creating an item directly as a viewed type, and I dislike tap-and-hold
since it is 100% unintuitive -- ie: You never know its there unless you
read the manual. So it can be cool for power users, but I don't think its
good for new users, and I think they'd want this ability. *shrug* Besides,
timing on the palm is tough -- it just doesn't do it well. (not hard, just
ugly)

	In current alpha, I made it so you can change the view type from
details, in the top right (ie: where a category popmenu would normally
go). We'll see how that is received..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: samir.kasme@s...
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 6:00pm
Subject: Samir Kasme/SIG est absent

Je serai absent(e) du  24.05.2001 au 31.05.2001.

Je lirai votre message à mon retour. Pour les problèmes Notes, veuillez
vous adresser à Christine Senti (8791) ou à Sébastien Vonlanthen (8796).

Meilleures salutations
Samir Kasme

From: hisimage8@y...
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:34pm
Subject: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

> The key to my system however is Shadow, which is a record of 
> everything that takes more than 2 minutes to complete, unless it is 
> in the e-mail @Action folder.
> 
> I hope this helps someone other than me, because I came to this 
> destination after reading in this discussion group and then buying 
> Allen's book.  I have tried virtually every organization system out 
> there over 20 years.  This one actually works for me - painlessly.
 
I use Shadow for part of my GTD set up as well.  Thanks so much for 
your post.  I've been using HS2 for my Waiting For, Agenda, etc. type 
of categories.  I like being able to check things off and have them 
automatically deleted so that I don't have to do any purging or 
cleaning up.  I use HS2 so much that I've mapped it to my calculator 
button.  I've mapped Shadow to my todo key.  I use Shadow for the 
Projects list and for my Someday/Maybe list.  I keep Shadow always 
open to the Projects list so that any time I need to jot down a 
passing thought I can get it in place quickly, knowing that it will 
get picked up at my "weekly review" and doesn't need to be worried 
about until then.  I like being able to list out all of the actions 
that I can think of, even if I'm not going to do all of them right 
away.  An outliner is good for that.  

I've tried all most of the systems around too and I agree that GTD is 
the most practical, easy-to-implement and peace-inducing one I've 
ever tried.  In fact, I've introducedseveral friends to this book and 
they all used the same word once they've begun using it --
 "peaceful".   

Now, if Jeff would consider allowing us to pick a default color for 
each outline, the system would be so, . . .hmmmm. .  .pretty.  ;)

If I can ever find time to read the manual all the way through I 
expect to find that I can use it for even more of the functions that 
I need.  I just haven't had time yet.  

Patricia

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

You're driving me crazy. What is HS2? I won't be able to sleep until I know
:-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hisimage8@y... [mailto:hisimage8@y...]
> Sent: 2001, May, Monday 1:34 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?
>
>
>  > The key to my system however is Shadow, which is a record of
> > everything that takes more than 2 minutes to complete, unless it is
> > in the e-mail @Action folder.
> >
> > I hope this helps someone other than me, because I came to this
> > destination after reading in this discussion group and then buying
> > Allen's book.  I have tried virtually every organization system out
> > there over 20 years.  This one actually works for me - painlessly.
>
> I use Shadow for part of my GTD set up as well.  Thanks so much for
> your post.  I've been using HS2 for my Waiting For, Agenda, etc. type
> of categories.  I like being able to check things off and have them
> automatically deleted so that I don't have to do any purging or
> cleaning up.  I use HS2 so much that I've mapped it to my calculator
> button.  I've mapped Shadow to my todo key.  I use Shadow for the
> Projects list and for my Someday/Maybe list.  I keep Shadow always
> open to the Projects list so that any time I need to jot down a
> passing thought I can get it in place quickly, knowing that it will
> get picked up at my "weekly review" and doesn't need to be worried
> about until then.  I like being able to list out all of the actions
> that I can think of, even if I'm not going to do all of them right
> away.  An outliner is good for that.
>
> I've tried all most of the systems around too and I agree that GTD is
> the most practical, easy-to-implement and peace-inducing one I've
> ever tried.  In fact, I've introducedseveral friends to this book and
> they all used the same word once they've begun using it --
>  "peaceful".
>
> Now, if Jeff would consider allowing us to pick a default color for
> each outline, the system would be so, . . .hmmmm. .  .pretty.  ;)
>
> If I can ever find time to read the manual all the way through I
> expect to find that I can use it for even more of the functions that
> I need.  I just haven't had time yet.
>
> Patricia
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
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>
>
>

From: ext555@p...
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 2:18am
Subject: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Ken Gordon" <ksg@t...> wrote:
> You're driving me crazy. What is HS2? I won't be able to sleep 
until I know
> :-)


HS2 is Handy Shopper 2--it's freeware
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hisimage8@y... [mailto:hisimage8@y...]
> > Sent: 2001, May, Monday 1:34 PM
> > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?
> >
> >
> >  > The key to my system however is Shadow, which is a record of
> > > everything that takes more than 2 minutes to complete, unless 
it is
> > > in the e-mail @Action folder.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps someone other than me, because I came to this
> > > destination after reading in this discussion group and then 
buying
> > > Allen's book.  I have tried virtually every organization system 
out
> > > there over 20 years.  This one actually works for me - 
painlessly.
> >
> > I use Shadow for part of my GTD set up as well.  Thanks so much 
for
> > your post.  I've been using HS2 for my Waiting For, Agenda, etc. 
type
> > of categories.  I like being able to check things off and have 
them
> > automatically deleted so that I don't have to do any purging or
> > cleaning up.  I use HS2 so much that I've mapped it to my 
calculator
> > button.  I've mapped Shadow to my todo key.  I use Shadow for the
> > Projects list and for my Someday/Maybe list.  I keep Shadow always
> > open to the Projects list so that any time I need to jot down a
> > passing thought I can get it in place quickly, knowing that it 
will
> > get picked up at my "weekly review" and doesn't need to be worried
> > about until then.  I like being able to list out all of the 
actions
> > that I can think of, even if I'm not going to do all of them right
> > away.  An outliner is good for that.
> >
> > I've tried all most of the systems around too and I agree that 
GTD is
> > the most practical, easy-to-implement and peace-inducing one I've
> > ever tried.  In fact, I've introducedseveral friends to this book 
and
> > they all used the same word once they've begun using it --
> >  "peaceful".
> >
> > Now, if Jeff would consider allowing us to pick a default color 
for
> > each outline, the system would be so, . . .hmmmm. .  .pretty.  ;)
> >
> > If I can ever find time to read the manual all the way through I
> > expect to find that I can use it for even more of the functions 
that
> > I need.  I just haven't had time yet.
> >
> > Patricia
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >

From: Doug Roberts  <doug@b...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 3:16am
Subject: RE: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

Mike -- Thanks for the information. I like your set-up! -Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: frazure@m... [mailto:frazure@m...]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:01 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?


After buying David's book, I have set things up this way, and it is 
working pretty well for me - for four weeks.

I set up a category of Action which includes the following Shadow 
Files:

Anywhere
Call
Computer
Home
Office
Errands

These are one-step actions of over 2 minutes, that are assigned by 
the context in which they will occur.

I have a category of Projects which includes files for every project 
things which require more than one step.

Here I brainstorm the various steps for ongoing review.  The next 
action typically is copied to one of the Action files, but could go 
to to do or calendar directly, I guess.

Another category is Someday/Maybe which includes files of potential 
future projects.

Another Category is Agenda which includes Shadow files of anyone or 
group that I store topics to review with the person/people on next 
opp'y.

I keep a category of Completed to store files that I wish to retain 
for future review after complete.

Another is Read/Review, which I thought I might use to remind of doc 
files, pdf files, books, etc.  Don't use it much.

Last Category is Waiting For where I store other people's projects or 
my own where the next step is in someone else's court.  I simply 
change the category of a Project to Waiting For and then back as 
appropriate.

In terms of linking, I use Outlook at the office and Palm Desktop at 
home; I use Datebook linking within Shadow for time forced events 
which then show on both calendars:  appts, deadlines, etc.

I don't usually use ToDo linking because I use the Action lists as my 
guide during the day.  I carry the Palm around to those contexts and 
don't look to either of my computers for anything.  If I liked 
printing a calendar with ToDo's I'd probably link to ToDo more often.

My office is set up with alpha files.

My e-mail is an Inbox (kept empty -- pretty good for someone who used 
to let it get to 400 before cleaning up); I keep an @Action folder; 
@Projects folder; and @Waiting For folder.  Last I have a Read/Review 
folder and a Reference folder.  The latter is where I store e-mails 
that will be archived to the server along with my Sent folder items.

The key to my system however is Shadow, which is a record of 
everything that takes more than 2 minutes to complete, unless it is 
in the e-mail @Action folder.

I hope this helps someone other than me, because I came to this 
destination after reading in this discussion group and then buying 
Allen's book.  I have tried virtually every organization system out 
there over 20 years.  This one actually works for me - painlessly.


Mike



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Doug Roberts" <doug@b...> wrote:
> I appreciate this post on David Allen. Although Shadow is great, I 
don't see
> how to use it with David's program. I would appreciate anyone else's
> thoughts on this. 

How are you using Shadow to
> manage daily tasks?
> 
> -Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manfred Ell [mailto:manfred.ell@w...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:04 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@y...
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., merobbins@m... wrote:
> > Someone pointed out that I gave an out of date web address for
> > David Allen's site with tips for using a palm for project
> > management.  The correct address is
> > http://www.davidallenonline.com
> >
> 
> Use: http://www.davidallenonline.com/gtt_template.php3
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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From: Doug Roberts  <doug@b...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 3:19am
Subject: RE: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

Patricia -- What is HSD? Thanks for sharing your system -- Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: hisimage8@y... [mailto:hisimage8@y...]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:34 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: How can shadow help me run my life?


 > The key to my system however is Shadow, which is a record of 
> everything that takes more than 2 minutes to complete, unless it is 
> in the e-mail @Action folder.
> 
> I hope this helps someone other than me, because I came to this 
> destination after reading in this discussion group and then buying 
> Allen's book.  I have tried virtually every organization system out 
> there over 20 years.  This one actually works for me - painlessly.
 
I use Shadow for part of my GTD set up as well.  Thanks so much for 
your post.  I've been using HS2 for my Waiting For, Agenda, etc. type 
of categories.  I like being able to check things off and have them 
automatically deleted so that I don't have to do any purging or 
cleaning up.  I use HS2 so much that I've mapped it to my calculator 
button.  I've mapped Shadow to my todo key.  I use Shadow for the 
Projects list and for my Someday/Maybe list.  I keep Shadow always 
open to the Projects list so that any time I need to jot down a 
passing thought I can get it in place quickly, knowing that it will 
get picked up at my "weekly review" and doesn't need to be worried 
about until then.  I like being able to list out all of the actions 
that I can think of, even if I'm not going to do all of them right 
away.  An outliner is good for that.  

I've tried all most of the systems around too and I agree that GTD is 
the most practical, easy-to-implement and peace-inducing one I've 
ever tried.  In fact, I've introducedseveral friends to this book and 
they all used the same word once they've begun using it --
 "peaceful".   

Now, if Jeff would consider allowing us to pick a default color for 
each outline, the system would be so, . . .hmmmm. .  .pretty.  ;)

If I can ever find time to read the manual all the way through I 
expect to find that I can use it for even more of the functions that 
I need.  I just haven't had time yet.  

Patricia


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From: Paulette Ridey  <paulette.ridey@f...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 6:02am
Subject: Shadow vs. BrainForest

<< Feel free to discuss anything relating to Shadow -- ask for help, suggest
features, or talk about how it integrates into your every day life. >>

Hello all--

I just subscribed to this list after seeing a recommendation for Shadow on
another Palm list. I recently purchased BrainForest, but haven't had time to
investigate its possibilities thoroughly yet. (I also just switched from the
Palm IIIc to the m505...is Shadow compatible with v.4.0?)I did a search of
BrainForest at the yahoogroups Shadow site & found a few posts, but none
that really satisfied my curiosity of the differences between Shadow & BF.
(I haven't downloaded Shadow yet.)I have the version of BF that allows me to
enter data on my desktop. This is a feature that I like very much. I
couldn't tell for sure whether Shadow has a desktop as well...it looked as
though that is still in the works. Correct?

I'm also very excited to be on this list after reading Mike's & others'
recent posts about using it in conjunction with David Allen's system. I just
finished reading his book & was deciding how to set up my categories on the
Palm. Obviously, I thought I'd be using BF, but now...? I realize it's
probably best to download Shadow myself & give it a try, but I'd be very
interested in hearing the ways in which it is superior to BF.

TIA & happy to be here!

Paulette








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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 0:37pm
Subject: Re: Shadow vs. BrainForest

On Tue, 29 May 2001, Paulette Ridey wrote:

> I just subscribed to this list after seeing a recommendation for Shadow on
> another Palm list. I recently purchased BrainForest, but haven't had time to
> investigate its possibilities thoroughly yet. (I also just switched from the
> Palm IIIc to the m505...is Shadow compatible with v.4.0?)I did a search of

	Shadow is compatible with PalmOS4; when I get a chance, it'll be
taking advantage of moreof its features, too. (ie: High resolution)

> BrainForest at the yahoogroups Shadow site & found a few posts, but none
> that really satisfied my curiosity of the differences between Shadow & BF.
> (I haven't downloaded Shadow yet.)I have the version of BF that allows me to
> enter data on my desktop. This is a feature that I like very much. I
> couldn't tell for sure whether Shadow has a desktop as well...it looked as
> though that is still in the works. Correct?

	Correct; I'm still working on it. Shadow is younger (though likely
more complete than most ;), and I'm taking careful and practiced steps to
avoid any unpleasantries. The desktop app is coming slowly because it is a
little ambitious -- its based on open and published formats and I'm
working on all platforms (mac, Win, Unix, etc). Its harder to build this
way, but it'll be very much worth it in the long run..

> finished reading his book & was deciding how to set up my categories on the
> Palm. Obviously, I thought I'd be using BF, but now...? I realize it's
> probably best to download Shadow myself & give it a try, but I'd be very
> interested in hearing the ways in which it is superior to BF.

	To be fair, all the tools are pretty good. I worry about BF, since
Aportis seems to be a pretty unresponsive company, but otherwise, try the
tools out and chose the best fit for your lifestyle and needs. They're all
pretty good, though I personally think Shadow is the best or in the top 2
;)

	Give her a shot, its free to play with, and enjoy hanging out in
the list :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 6:51pm
Subject: Problem linking to Memo

Recently, I've been having problems seeing datebook entries when I go 
through the "new from" list opiton.  Today, I went to links, add, and 
selected Memo.  Then, tried to tab down through my list of memos, 
except I could only go through the first eight.  The down arrow 
disappears on the 2nd page.  I changed the sort setting to "manual" 
in memopad so I could drag the memo I was interested in linking to 
into the first 8.  It then allowed me to link to it. Then, I dragged 
the Memo down below the 8th position, and found that the link is 
maintained.  But, I still can't see it in the Memo list, only on the 
link screen.  Strangest thing.  I have PeditPro, on a Prism running 
3.52.  Any suggestions?

Henry

From: pollyq@m...
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

Hey, I never knew this!  Thanks for the tip!

--PollyQ

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., opitz@s... wrote:
> In Datebk4, tapping the "New" button by default pops up a list, but 
> can be configured to only give the user a new appointment just like 
> the built-in datebook. If that preference is set, and you hold the 
tap 
> for half a second instead of tapping quickly, the popup list comes 
up. 
> It's neither intrusive nor does it involve a second tap. And it's 
easy 
> to remember--tap normally for the normal function, hold it for 
extra 
> related functions.
> 
> 'Course, I don't know how much code it requires, and I think the 
> developer went through a few beta versions before tap-and-hold was 
> operating properly.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > 	How do you think the UI should go with this? 
> > 
> > 	For instance, some apps have it so when you hit "New", a popup
> > list allows you to chose the type of item. I always thought that 
was
> > intrusive and an extra unnecessary tap..
> >

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 7:23pm
Subject: Re: Problem linking to Memo

On Tue, 29 May 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:

> disappears on the 2nd page.  I changed the sort setting to "manual" 
> in memopad so I could drag the memo I was interested in linking to 
> into the first 8.  It then allowed me to link to it. Then, I dragged 
> the Memo down below the 8th position, and found that the link is 
> maintained.  But, I still can't see it in the Memo list, only on the 
> link screen.  Strangest thing.  I have PeditPro, on a Prism running 
> 3.52.  Any suggestions?

	I'll see if I can investigate it tomorrow; I think there is
defintely a bug or two in New From in a couple of places :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Peter R Grierson  <peter.grierson@s...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2001 7:59pm
Subject: Re: How can shadow help me run my life?

Mike-

Thanks you explanation of "Getting Things Done" (GTD) was very helpful. You
have inspired me to modify my perspective on how I use the Palm in general
and Shadow-Plan in particular.

I do have one question that I suspect borders on "it is in the manual (here
GTD)".  What do you mean when you say, "My office is set up with alpha
files."  I have heard of an Alpha Wolf but not an Alpha File.

Thanks

Peter R. Grierson, Ph.D.

I can't spell and my typing is lousy.
Is it too much to hope that my lousy typing
will correct my poor spelling?

From: glacefield@v...
Date: Wed May 30, 2001 7:21am
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

You are right, that tap-and-hold is unintuitive, at least for a brand-
new Palm user.  And that is why it is a good idea for you to include 
it in the Details.  But those who have been using other popular apps 
(like the many listed earlier, as well as others, e.g. Wordsmith) 
would have experience with that UI method and could find it easily. 
And from what I've read in this group over the past several months, 
your Shadow users are a pretty saavy bunch, probably DO read the 
manual and, IMHO, would appreciate having the quicker method 
available as an option.

(Besides, you have already given a nod to the paradigm anyway, since 
the task details can be listed via tap-and-hold. ;-)

But I can appreciate the complexity no doubt involved in carrying 
this feature over to other aspects of the program...still, it's nice 
to be able to dream... :-)

Greg

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	The view-type changed would always have to be in Details, so 
you
> can find it easily in already made items. The question is the 
conveniance
> of creating an item directly as a viewed type, and I dislike tap-
and-hold
> since it is 100% unintuitive -- ie: You never know its there unless 
you
> read the manual. So it can be cool for power users, but I don't 
think its
> good for new users, and I think they'd want this ability. *shrug* 
Besides,
> timing on the palm is tough -- it just doesn't do it well. (not 
hard, just
> ugly)
> 
> 	In current alpha, I made it so you can change the view type 
from
> details, in the top right (ie: where a category popmenu would 
normally
> go). We'll see how that is received..

From: hisimage8@y...
Date: Wed May 30, 2001 11:21am
Subject: Re: Problem linking to Memo

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:
> 
> > disappears on the 2nd page.  I changed the sort setting 
to "manual" 
> > in memopad so I could drag the memo I was interested in linking 
to 
> > into the first 8.  It then allowed me to link to it. Then, I 
dragged 
> > the Memo down below the 8th position, and found that the link is 
> > maintained.  But, I still can't see it in the Memo list, only on 
the 
> > link screen.  Strangest thing.  I have PeditPro, on a Prism 
running 
> > 3.52.  Any suggestions?

 Actually, Jeff, it may not be your bug.  I've had this happen two or 
three times while using PeditPro on my Prism also.  And this was not 
while in Shadow, this was while working in PeditPro.  It's been a 
while and I never reported it, as I should have.  I think we  should 
write to Paul about this one. 

Patricia

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 30, 2001 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

On Wed, 30 May 2001 glacefield@v... wrote:

> (like the many listed earlier, as well as others, e.g. Wordsmith) 
> would have experience with that UI method and could find it easily. 
> And from what I've read in this group over the past several months, 
> your Shadow users are a pretty saavy bunch, probably DO read the 
> manual and, IMHO, would appreciate having the quicker method 
> available as an option.

	Shadow users are forever showing how keen they are, like when you
build a case against me here ;)

> (Besides, you have already given a nod to the paradigm anyway, since 
> the task details can be listed via tap-and-hold. ;-)

	And it was no end of trouble, I tell you ;)

> But I can appreciate the complexity no doubt involved in carrying 
> this feature over to other aspects of the program...still, it's nice 
> to be able to dream... :-)

	If its *really* a good idea, then I'll do it; I've found that very
few people use the tap-and-hold detail mini view, and I'm not sure if
thats because its hard to find, or if its because its not useful. It might
be easier to do it for buttons, since you have to do it and keep the pen
in the button (whereas on my tree view widget, you can tap and hold and I
have to worry about sliding aroudn to drag and drop, and other issues so
is more complex).

	ie: You hit new, tap and hold for 1s (or 2s; can't do 1.5s
easily) and then a popmenu shows up and you lift the pen, and tap a view
type. Or just hit new and tap top right and pick the view type. The latter
current method is faster (no waiting), though is an extra tap...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 30, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: A user request

Someone is asking to  have the priority (and thus progress) always
visible in the details window, even when invisible on the main list
display (ie: When the columns are turned off). He uses the priority to
filter on, but does not wish to see it.

	I'm hesitant to change the way it is, but its up to you guys..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kencn@a...
Date: Wed May 30, 2001 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Multiple item types in one list..

Jeff,

Like others, I really like tap-and-hold in some of the other 
applications I use.  It may not be intuitive to learn, since there is 
no visual clue telling the new user to do something.  But I think it 
is an extremely intuitive feature to use once the minor learning 
curve is completed.  Tap and hold on an item on the screen and a 
contextual menu pops up allowing you to select operations to apply to 
that item. Seems pretty natural.  Of course that's ignoring the 
programming complexities involved.

However, my biggest wish, by far, in the user interface area for 
Shadow is in-line editing like Bonsai.  I know that would require 
major rework to the current interface so I'm not sure it makes sense 
building out the existing ui with new things you might need to throw 
away later - if this is something you're still considering for the 
future.

Ken 

> 
> 	If its *really* a good idea, then I'll do it; I've found that 
very
> few people use the tap-and-hold detail mini view, and I'm not sure 
if
> thats because its hard to find, or if its because its not useful. 
It might
> be easier to do it for buttons, since you have to do it and keep 
the pen
> in the button (whereas on my tree view widget, you can tap and hold 
and I
> have to worry about sliding aroudn to drag and drop, and other 
issues so
> is more complex).
>

From: kencn@a...
Date: Wed May 30, 2001 6:17pm
Subject: Re: A user request

Jeff,

I think it should be displayed on the details window as well for the 
same reasons you mentioned.  Also, with the upcoming support for 
mixed item types, if you change an item type from task to priority on 
the details screen you need to exit the details screen and reopen the 
item before the priority selector disappears.  I'm sure you can 
program around that but it might make more sense to just display 
everything on the details screen for consistentency, and have the 
list customizations just effect list view.  

Along those lines, I would also like to see the check box on the 
details screen - or a preference option that automatically checks off 
the check box if I update the progress bar to 100%. Seems like I 
should be able to update everything about an item from the details 
screen.

Ken

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Someone is asking to  have the priority (and thus progress) 
always
> visible in the details window, even when invisible on the main list
> display (ie: When the columns are turned off). He uses the priority 
to
> filter on, but does not wish to see it.
> 
> 	I'm hesitant to change the way it is, but its up to you guys..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_