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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions

 
i'm with Scott, as i have had occasional problems with two launchers present (testing a new one), but after a quick review decide which and delete the other...for both compatibility issues and space!
kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: smasters@a... 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions



  Okay, in my opinion you're a little launcher-rich. I think too many
  launchers is a bad thing. Now that you can, I would delete the additional
  launchers, and then try reinstalling the one you really want to use. But
  before you reinstall the launcher, get rid of Colorize and make sure Shadow
  is okay. If necessary reinstall it as Jeff suggested.

  As far as the problem restarting the PDA, once you get rid of the
  additional launchers, doing a normal soft reset should get things back to
  normal.

  Scott



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8602

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions

 
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:

> WOW!  This helped.  I can now at least get to the native launcher.  
> However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
> LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
> recognizing the device as hi-res.  In other words, they're giving me
> error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320 devices ..."  
> Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to launch
> Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although I may be
> too late).  And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not get it to
> start again except by doing a warm reset.
> 
> Any suggestions about how to proceed?  Obviously, I'm hoping to not
> have to do a hard reset :-(

	Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go through and
remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are suspect.
Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off Afterburner or
FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. If
trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, etc.. until
you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. (The goal
being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can delete one
but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can use Filez to
copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the memstick
before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from your home
for awhile.

	Hope that helps a little..

> 
> Todd
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> > 
> > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? Do the 
> reset
> > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass LauncherX 
> and get
> > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft reset 
> to get
> > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> >                                                                     
>                                                
> >                     "tljr_2000                                      
>                                                
> >                     <tlj1@c...        To:     shadow-
> discuss@yahoogroups.com                                    
> >                     >" <tlj1             
> cc:                                                                   
>     
> >                                          Subject:     [shadow-
> discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions                   
> >                     
> 01/06/2003                                                            
>                          
> >                     02:49 
> PM                                                                    
>                    
> >                     
> Please                                                                
>                          
> >                     respond 
> to                                                                    
>                  
> >                     shadow-
> discus                                                                
>                   
> >                     
> s                                                                     
>                          
> >                                                                     
>                                                
> >                                                                     
>                                                
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin.   I have ~ 4,500K of RAM left.  It
> > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems.  But I
> > could be wrong.
> > 
> > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for my 
> Shadow
> > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop of "fatal
> > exceptions".  I can't even get to the screen that asks if I want to
> > enable hacks.  Uggh.
> > 
> > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse.  I'm fairly
> > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable through a
> > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office (primarily
> > addresses and calendar items).  There are probably some settings 
> that
> > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.  Hanging
> > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or the 
> like)
> > before the end of the week.
> > 
> > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
> > 
> > Todd
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
> wrote:
> > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
> > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda itself or
> > were getting full.
> > >
> > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the fatal
> > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or cancel to
> > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal exception
> > occasionally..try it a couple times.  if you can get by that point,
> > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few apps you
> > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes things run
> > smoother.
> > >
> > > do you backup in some manner?  hopefully, through the card backup,
> > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do the hard
> > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by one.  let 
> us
> > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may be a few
> > tips to help you not load back what is currently problematic.
> > >
> > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program potentially messing
> > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do a hard
> > reset no matter what.  have to be VERY careful about loading stuff
> > lots don't use or that is very new.  if it isn't a real popular
> > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems before
> > loading.
> > >
> > > good luck,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Enjoy life!
> > > ------------------------------
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> > >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
> > >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
> > >
> > >
> > >   I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
> > >
> > >   In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the shortcut
> > (set
> > >   up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off my card).
> > I am
> > >   now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a soft
> > reset, it
> > >   continues to give me a "fatal exception" message.  There does 
> not
> > >   seem to be any way to get to any other screen.  Any advice would
> > be
> > >   greatly appreciated!!
> > >
> > >   Todd
> > >
> > >   *******************************
> > >
> > >   Help! My Shadow application was working fine until about an hour
> > ago
> > >   (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the problem,
> > >   though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX and I tap 
> on
> > >   the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and have to 
> do
> > a
> > >   soft reset. The only thing I did different (between when I could
> > vs.
> > >   could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
> > my "Colorize"
> > >   application. I have since deleted that app but the problem
> > remains.
> > >
> > >   Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open the 
> native
> > >   launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, I get
> > >   a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
> > >
> > >   One other data point ... there now seems to be another Shadow 
> app
> > on
> > >   my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it says that
> > it
> > >   was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same as the
> > Shadow
> > >   app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open Shadow,
> > based
> > >   on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
> > >
> > >   If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem might 
> be,
> > I
> > >   would be very grateful! I am away and unable to hotsync / backup
> > >   (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few days. What
> > do
> > >   I do??!!
> > >
> > >   Much thanks,
> > >
> > >   Todd
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8603

From: Jesse Reyes jreyes1958@y...  <jreyes1958@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:46pm
Subject: text filter

 
would love to be able to filter a list on text in the record
something as simple as

title "contains"  <search string>
title "doesn't contain" <search string>

using find is just too hard to work with when trying to find 
occurences of a particular string in an outline -- filtered list 
would be better.
8604

From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: Re: text filter

 
This is what "title matches" does.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
                    "Jesse Reyes                                                                                   
                    <jreyes1958@y...        To:     shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com                                    
                    ahoo.com>"           cc:                                                                       
                    <jreyes1958          Subject:     [shadow-discuss] text filter                                 
                                                                                                                   
                    01/06/2003                                                                                     
                    04:46 PM                                                                                       
                    Please                                                                                         
                    respond to                                                                                     
                    shadow-discus                                                                                  
                    s                                                                                              
                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                   




would love to be able to filter a list on text in the record
something as simple as

title "contains"  <search string>
title "doesn't contain" <search string>

using find is just too hard to work with when trying to find
occurences of a particular string in an outline -- filtered list
would be better.




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shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com



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8605

From: Ross Chapman  <rosschappy@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 11:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions

 
Amen!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions


  On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Earthlink wrote:

  > the way to the hard reset...bummer, and a pain, but cleans it back up.  

        I learned something many many years ago, when hard drives would
  die much more frequently ;) (And I'll ignroe the obvious "backup here"
  comments :)

        So your hard drive, PDA, or whatever dies. You lose years of
  accumulated data, trivia, and "stuff". For a day and a half you rant and
  rave and are in a foul mood.

        Then, suddenly.. you have freedom. You reformat the drive or
  PDA.. suddenly, its *all empty*. What was one accumulated trivia is now
  blank space, waiting for new trivia and junk to be amassed. A 10GB drive
  you were sturggling for free space is now 9GB free for the using. Its a
  joyous occasion :)

              jeff

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8606

From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:20am
Subject: Re: More Fatal Exceptions

 
First off ... a giant THANK YOU to everyone who has been responding 
to my posts on this subject.  I know I've been a little "off topic" 
so I appreciate everyone's patience.  This group is an awesome 
resource!

As Chris H. suggested, I have backed up everything to my 128MB memory 
stick using Sony's MS Backup application.  Just curious ... does that 
backup everything similar to something like BackUpBuddy?  Anyways, I 
now feel like I have all my data safely tucked away somewhere. 

Next question ... Now that I have my data on the MS, I'm thinking I 
should go ahead with the hard reset just to get everything cleaned 
up.  Then, when I get back to my home computer in a couple of days, I 
will (1) transition everything from my MS back to the handheld and 
(2) reinstall the applications that I can't seem to get working 
properly (i.e. Shadow and LauncherX).  Does this seem like a good 
approach?  As I've mentioned, this is not my forte, so I'm always 
looking for input from people who know a lot more about this than me.

Finally ... I see that there is a Shadow-related file 
called "Shadow_enUS" and it is 1.6K.  Any idea what that is?  I have 
not noticed it before and I am just wondering if it has anything to 
do with my problems.  I'm guessing the answer is "no" as I also see a 
similarly-named file related to other apps (i.e. "BugMe!_enUS", 
DateBk5_enUS", etc.).  Just wondering.

Thanks again to everyone!

Todd




--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> 
> > WOW!  This helped.  I can now at least get to the native 
launcher.  
> > However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
> > LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
> > recognizing the device as hi-res.  In other words, they're giving 
me
> > error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320 
devices ..."  
> > Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to 
launch
> > Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although I 
may be
> > too late).  And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not get 
it to
> > start again except by doing a warm reset.
> > 
> > Any suggestions about how to proceed?  Obviously, I'm hoping to 
not
> > have to do a hard reset :-(
> 
> 	Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go through 
and
> remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are 
suspect.
> Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off Afterburner 
or
> FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. If
> trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, etc.. 
until
> you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. (The 
goal
> being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can 
delete one
> but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can use 
Filez to
> copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the 
memstick
> before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from your 
home
> for awhile.
> 
> 	Hope that helps a little..
> 
> > 
> > Todd
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> > > 
> > > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? Do 
the 
> > reset
> > > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass 
LauncherX 
> > and get
> > > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft 
reset 
> > to get
> > > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
>                                                                     
> >                                                
> > 
>                     "tljr_2000                                      
> >                                                
> > >                     <tlj1@c...        To:     shadow-
> > discuss@yahoogroups.com                                    
> > >                     >" <tlj1             
> > 
cc:                                                                   
> >     
> > >                                          Subject:     [shadow-
> > discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions                   
> > >                     
> > 
01/06/2003                                                            
> >                          
> > >                     02:49 
> > 
PM                                                                    
> >                    
> > >                     
> > 
Please                                                                
> >                          
> > >                     respond 
> > 
to                                                                    
> >                  
> > >                     shadow-
> > 
discus                                                                
> >                   
> > >                     
> > 
s                                                                     
> >                          
> > 
>                                                                     
> >                                                
> > 
>                                                                     
> >                                                
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin.   I have ~ 4,500K of RAM left.  
It
> > > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems.  But 
I
> > > could be wrong.
> > > 
> > > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for my 
> > Shadow
> > > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop of "fatal
> > > exceptions".  I can't even get to the screen that asks if I 
want to
> > > enable hacks.  Uggh.
> > > 
> > > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse.  I'm 
fairly
> > > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable 
through a
> > > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office (primarily
> > > addresses and calendar items).  There are probably some 
settings 
> > that
> > > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.  
Hanging
> > > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or the 
> > like)
> > > before the end of the week.
> > > 
> > > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
> > > 
> > > Todd
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
> > > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda 
itself or
> > > were getting full.
> > > >
> > > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the fatal
> > > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or 
cancel to
> > > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal exception
> > > occasionally..try it a couple times.  if you can get by that 
point,
> > > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few apps 
you
> > > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes things 
run
> > > smoother.
> > > >
> > > > do you backup in some manner?  hopefully, through the card 
backup,
> > > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do the 
hard
> > > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by one.  
let 
> > us
> > > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may be a 
few
> > > tips to help you not load back what is currently problematic.
> > > >
> > > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program potentially 
messing
> > > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do a 
hard
> > > reset no matter what.  have to be VERY careful about loading 
stuff
> > > lots don't use or that is very new.  if it isn't a real popular
> > > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems 
before
> > > loading.
> > > >
> > > > good luck,
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Enjoy life!
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> > > >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > >   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
> > > >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
> > > >
> > > >   In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the 
shortcut
> > > (set
> > > >   up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off my 
card).
> > > I am
> > > >   now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a soft
> > > reset, it
> > > >   continues to give me a "fatal exception" message.  There 
does 
> > not
> > > >   seem to be any way to get to any other screen.  Any advice 
would
> > > be
> > > >   greatly appreciated!!
> > > >
> > > >   Todd
> > > >
> > > >   *******************************
> > > >
> > > >   Help! My Shadow application was working fine until about an 
hour
> > > ago
> > > >   (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the 
problem,
> > > >   though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX and I 
tap 
> > on
> > > >   the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and have 
to 
> > do
> > > a
> > > >   soft reset. The only thing I did different (between when I 
could
> > > vs.
> > > >   could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
> > > my "Colorize"
> > > >   application. I have since deleted that app but the problem
> > > remains.
> > > >
> > > >   Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open the 
> > native
> > > >   launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, I 
get
> > > >   a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
> > > >
> > > >   One other data point ... there now seems to be another 
Shadow 
> > app
> > > on
> > > >   my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it says 
that
> > > it
> > > >   was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same as 
the
> > > Shadow
> > > >   app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open 
Shadow,
> > > based
> > > >   on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
> > > >
> > > >   If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem 
might 
> > be,
> > > I
> > > >   would be very grateful! I am away and unable to hotsync / 
backup
> > > >   (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few days. 
What
> > > do
> > > >   I do??!!
> > > >
> > > >   Much thanks,
> > > >
> > > >   Todd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > 
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
8607

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:46am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
I know Datebk5 has something that runs after each hotsync, but it 
doesn't have a seperate conduit at all.  

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Wayne Gorton wrote:
> 
> > Could the conduit built the To-Do etc on sync back to the HH. If 
this
> > is not possible can you tag/have something run at the end of the
> > Hotsync on the HH? These ways it would be created immediately on 
sync
> > and you wouldn't have to worry about the proprietary desktop 
apps or
> > enter Shadow to create?
> 
> 	Thats one of the options I'd mentioned sort of; we can't 
schedule
> something to run at the end of sync (without adding another 
conduit, or
> moving our conduit to the end). I guess the risks are pretty low, 
so we
> could cause Shadow's conduit to create its links live perhaps.. I 
just
> dislike making sync sessions a little longer, and I worry about 
other
> conduits that may be listening to the ToDo and Datebook databases.
> 
> 	I'll build the simple link-request stuff in first and then 
see how
> it goes. Worrying up front might be unnecessary worry :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8608

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:52am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
Yes, that would rock!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:
> 
> > That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like 
the 
> > "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one 
item is 
> > checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .
> 
> 	We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next 
item
> auto-links to ToDo.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:59am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is 
used.  Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has 
been completed.

As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the 
next top level:
A
  1
  2
    i
    ii
  3
B

In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed 
2ii, when completed link to 3.  Once done we stop.  Seems that auto-
check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 	So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing 
should
> happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
>
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 3:28am
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make a simple linking when the item above is completed, within each parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it seems.  a quick and easy option would seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't have it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very complicated!  ; )
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?


  Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is 
  used.  Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has 
  been completed.

  As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the 
  next top level:
  A
    1
    2
      i
      ii
    3
  B

  In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed 
  2ii, when completed link to 3.  Once done we stop.  Seems that auto-
  check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.


  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
  wrote:
  >       So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing 
  should
  > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
  > 



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From: Chris Harlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 3:45am
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions

 
Todd: if you're going to do a hard reset, which I think you probably should, you can get pretty creative about reinstalling. If all the latest data is on the MS now, you should probably 
a: make a copy of your backup folder in the Program Files/Sony Handheld/"your user name"/Backup and store it somewhere else on your HD; then
b: sort the original backup folder by .prc and .pdb files. Leave only the prc. files you think are safe (these are the .exe of the Palm OS). alternatively, you can wipe out the original backup folder, and install the .prc files from install programs, like Shadow has. 
c: do a Hotsync
d: copy from the MS any data files you want to use. 
e: slowly start adding more .prc files (like Shadow, but I'm pretty sure that's not your problem). 
f; keep the hacks to a minimum, make sure you have the latest version of Hackmaster if you're using any. 
g: get BackupBuddy as discussed before, and it will back everything on both the Clie and the MS to your desktop. If you're not with your desktop as much, do backups every few days with the MS Backup. BackupBuddy includes a similar utilty, for other flavors of Palm OS that don't provide card backup. Don't install it: it's not necessary, the Sony version works fine...and no need to add to the RAM count! 
That should do it....
Chris .....but you can call me Grappaman!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:20 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions


  First off ... a giant THANK YOU to everyone who has been responding 
  to my posts on this subject.  I know I've been a little "off topic" 
  so I appreciate everyone's patience.  This group is an awesome 
  resource!

  As Chris H. suggested, I have backed up everything to my 128MB memory 
  stick using Sony's MS Backup application.  Just curious ... does that 
  backup everything similar to something like BackUpBuddy?  Anyways, I 
  now feel like I have all my data safely tucked away somewhere. 

  Next question ... Now that I have my data on the MS, I'm thinking I 
  should go ahead with the hard reset just to get everything cleaned 
  up.  Then, when I get back to my home computer in a couple of days, I 
  will (1) transition everything from my MS back to the handheld and 
  (2) reinstall the applications that I can't seem to get working 
  properly (i.e. Shadow and LauncherX).  Does this seem like a good 
  approach?  As I've mentioned, this is not my forte, so I'm always 
  looking for input from people who know a lot more about this than me.

  Finally ... I see that there is a Shadow-related file 
  called "Shadow_enUS" and it is 1.6K.  Any idea what that is?  I have 
  not noticed it before and I am just wondering if it has anything to 
  do with my problems.  I'm guessing the answer is "no" as I also see a 
  similarly-named file related to other apps (i.e. "BugMe!_enUS", 
  DateBk5_enUS", etc.).  Just wondering.

  Thanks again to everyone!

  Todd




  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
  wrote:
  > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
  > 
  > > WOW!  This helped.  I can now at least get to the native 
  launcher.  
  > > However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
  > > LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
  > > recognizing the device as hi-res.  In other words, they're giving 
  me
  > > error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320 
  devices ..."  
  > > Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to 
  launch
  > > Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although I 
  may be
  > > too late).  And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not get 
  it to
  > > start again except by doing a warm reset.
  > > 
  > > Any suggestions about how to proceed?  Obviously, I'm hoping to 
  not
  > > have to do a hard reset :-(
  > 
  >       Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go through 
  and
  > remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are 
  suspect.
  > Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off Afterburner 
  or
  > FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. If
  > trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, etc.. 
  until
  > you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. (The 
  goal
  > being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can 
  delete one
  > but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can use 
  Filez to
  > copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the 
  memstick
  > before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from your 
  home
  > for awhile.
  > 
  >       Hope that helps a little..
  > 
  > > 
  > > Todd
  > > 
  > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
  > > > 
  > > > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? Do 
  the 
  > > reset
  > > > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass 
  LauncherX 
  > > and get
  > > > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft 
  reset 
  > > to get
  > > > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
  > > > 
  > > > Scott
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > 
  >                                                                     
  > >                                                
  > > 
  >                     "tljr_2000                                      
  > >                                                
  > > >                     <tlj1@c...        To:     shadow-
  > > discuss@yahoogroups.com                                    
  > > >                     >" <tlj1             
  > > 
  cc:                                                                   
  > >     
  > > >                                          Subject:     [shadow-
  > > discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions                   
  > > >                     
  > > 
  01/06/2003                                                            
  > >                          
  > > >                     02:49 
  > > 
  PM                                                                    
  > >                    
  > > >                     
  > > 
  Please                                                                
  > >                          
  > > >                     respond 
  > > 
  to                                                                    
  > >                  
  > > >                     shadow-
  > > 
  discus                                                                
  > >                   
  > > >                     
  > > 
  s                                                                     
  > >                          
  > > 
  >                                                                     
  > >                                                
  > > 
  >                                                                     
  > >                                                
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin.   I have ~ 4,500K of RAM left.  
  It
  > > > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems.  But 
  I
  > > > could be wrong.
  > > > 
  > > > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for my 
  > > Shadow
  > > > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop of "fatal
  > > > exceptions".  I can't even get to the screen that asks if I 
  want to
  > > > enable hacks.  Uggh.
  > > > 
  > > > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse.  I'm 
  fairly
  > > > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable 
  through a
  > > > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office (primarily
  > > > addresses and calendar items).  There are probably some 
  settings 
  > > that
  > > > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.  
  Hanging
  > > > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or the 
  > > like)
  > > > before the end of the week.
  > > > 
  > > > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
  > > > 
  > > > Todd
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
  > > wrote:
  > > > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
  > > > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda 
  itself or
  > > > were getting full.
  > > > >
  > > > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the fatal
  > > > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or 
  cancel to
  > > > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal exception
  > > > occasionally..try it a couple times.  if you can get by that 
  point,
  > > > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few apps 
  you
  > > > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes things 
  run
  > > > smoother.
  > > > >
  > > > > do you backup in some manner?  hopefully, through the card 
  backup,
  > > > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do the 
  hard
  > > > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by one.  
  let 
  > > us
  > > > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may be a 
  few
  > > > tips to help you not load back what is currently problematic.
  > > > >
  > > > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program potentially 
  messing
  > > > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do a 
  hard
  > > > reset no matter what.  have to be VERY careful about loading 
  stuff
  > > > lots don't use or that is very new.  if it isn't a real popular
  > > > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems 
  before
  > > > loading.
  > > > >
  > > > > good luck,
  > > > > Kevin
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > ------------------------------
  > > > > Enjoy life!
  > > > > ------------------------------
  > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
  > > > >   From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
  > > > >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > > > >   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
  > > > >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >   I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
  > > > >
  > > > >   In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the 
  shortcut
  > > > (set
  > > > >   up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off my 
  card).
  > > > I am
  > > > >   now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a soft
  > > > reset, it
  > > > >   continues to give me a "fatal exception" message.  There 
  does 
  > > not
  > > > >   seem to be any way to get to any other screen.  Any advice 
  would
  > > > be
  > > > >   greatly appreciated!!
  > > > >
  > > > >   Todd
  > > > >
  > > > >   *******************************
  > > > >
  > > > >   Help! My Shadow application was working fine until about an 
  hour
  > > > ago
  > > > >   (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the 
  problem,
  > > > >   though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX and I 
  tap 
  > > on
  > > > >   the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and have 
  to 
  > > do
  > > > a
  > > > >   soft reset. The only thing I did different (between when I 
  could
  > > > vs.
  > > > >   could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
  > > > my "Colorize"
  > > > >   application. I have since deleted that app but the problem
  > > > remains.
  > > > >
  > > > >   Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open the 
  > > native
  > > > >   launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, I 
  get
  > > > >   a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
  > > > >
  > > > >   One other data point ... there now seems to be another 
  Shadow 
  > > app
  > > > on
  > > > >   my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it says 
  that
  > > > it
  > > > >   was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same as 
  the
  > > > Shadow
  > > > >   app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open 
  Shadow,
  > > > based
  > > > >   on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
  > > > >
  > > > >   If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem 
  might 
  > > be,
  > > > I
  > > > >   would be very grateful! I am away and unable to hotsync / 
  backup
  > > > >   (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few days. 
  What
  > > > do
  > > > >   I do??!!
  > > > >
  > > > >   Much thanks,
  > > > >
  > > > >   Todd
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > > > 
  > > > 
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From: pgrunwald pgrunwald@c...  <pgrunwald@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:09am
Subject: Feature/Sync Suggestion - TUTOS -> ShadowPlan

 
I am currently evaluating an Open Source Project management tool 
called TUTOS - http://www.tutos.org/homepage/about.html.   

Has anyone looked at what it would take to produce ShadowPlan .xml 
files out of Tutos?  

Are people interested in this functionality?  

Are there people on this board who are qualified and willing to help 
with SQL or PHP coding to develop this functionality?


TIA,
P.
8613

From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:31am
Subject: Re: More Fatal Exceptions

 
Thanks for the detailed info, Chris.  I'm going to suffer through 
tomorrow and Wed without my Clie, and then go through your steps when 
I get back to my desktop.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I'll 
let you know how it goes.

Todd



--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Harlepp" 
<charlepp@c...> wrote:
> Todd: if you're going to do a hard reset, which I think you 
probably should, you can get pretty creative about reinstalling. If 
all the latest data is on the MS now, you should probably 
> a: make a copy of your backup folder in the Program Files/Sony 
Handheld/"your user name"/Backup and store it somewhere else on your 
HD; then
> b: sort the original backup folder by .prc and .pdb files. Leave 
only the prc. files you think are safe (these are the .exe of the 
Palm OS). alternatively, you can wipe out the original backup folder, 
and install the .prc files from install programs, like Shadow has. 
> c: do a Hotsync
> d: copy from the MS any data files you want to use. 
> e: slowly start adding more .prc files (like Shadow, but I'm pretty 
sure that's not your problem). 
> f; keep the hacks to a minimum, make sure you have the latest 
version of Hackmaster if you're using any. 
> g: get BackupBuddy as discussed before, and it will back everything 
on both the Clie and the MS to your desktop. If you're not with your 
desktop as much, do backups every few days with the MS Backup. 
BackupBuddy includes a similar utilty, for other flavors of Palm OS 
that don't provide card backup. Don't install it: it's not necessary, 
the Sony version works fine...and no need to add to the RAM count! 
> That should do it....
> Chris .....but you can call me Grappaman!
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:20 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
> 
> 
>   First off ... a giant THANK YOU to everyone who has been 
responding 
>   to my posts on this subject.  I know I've been a little "off 
topic" 
>   so I appreciate everyone's patience.  This group is an awesome 
>   resource!
> 
>   As Chris H. suggested, I have backed up everything to my 128MB 
memory 
>   stick using Sony's MS Backup application.  Just curious ... does 
that 
>   backup everything similar to something like BackUpBuddy?  
Anyways, I 
>   now feel like I have all my data safely tucked away somewhere. 
> 
>   Next question ... Now that I have my data on the MS, I'm thinking 
I 
>   should go ahead with the hard reset just to get everything 
cleaned 
>   up.  Then, when I get back to my home computer in a couple of 
days, I 
>   will (1) transition everything from my MS back to the handheld 
and 
>   (2) reinstall the applications that I can't seem to get working 
>   properly (i.e. Shadow and LauncherX).  Does this seem like a good 
>   approach?  As I've mentioned, this is not my forte, so I'm always 
>   looking for input from people who know a lot more about this than 
me.
> 
>   Finally ... I see that there is a Shadow-related file 
>   called "Shadow_enUS" and it is 1.6K.  Any idea what that is?  I 
have 
>   not noticed it before and I am just wondering if it has anything 
to 
>   do with my problems.  I'm guessing the answer is "no" as I also 
see a 
>   similarly-named file related to other apps (i.e. "BugMe!_enUS", 
>   DateBk5_enUS", etc.).  Just wondering.
> 
>   Thanks again to everyone!
> 
>   Todd
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell 
<support@s...> 
>   wrote:
>   > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
>   > 
>   > > WOW!  This helped.  I can now at least get to the native 
>   launcher.  
>   > > However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
>   > > LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
>   > > recognizing the device as hi-res.  In other words, they're 
giving 
>   me
>   > > error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320 
>   devices ..."  
>   > > Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to 
>   launch
>   > > Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although 
I 
>   may be
>   > > too late).  And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not 
get 
>   it to
>   > > start again except by doing a warm reset.
>   > > 
>   > > Any suggestions about how to proceed?  Obviously, I'm hoping 
to 
>   not
>   > > have to do a hard reset :-(
>   > 
>   >       Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go 
through 
>   and
>   > remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are 
>   suspect.
>   > Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off 
Afterburner 
>   or
>   > FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. 
If
>   > trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, 
etc.. 
>   until
>   > you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. 
(The 
>   goal
>   > being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can 
>   delete one
>   > but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can 
use 
>   Filez to
>   > copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the 
>   memstick
>   > before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from 
your 
>   home
>   > for awhile.
>   > 
>   >       Hope that helps a little..
>   > 
>   > > 
>   > > Todd
>   > > 
>   > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
>   > > > 
>   > > > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? 
Do 
>   the 
>   > > reset
>   > > > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass 
>   LauncherX 
>   > > and get
>   > > > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft 
>   reset 
>   > > to get
>   > > > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Scott
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > 
>   
>                                                                     
>   > >                                                
>   > > 
>   
>                     "tljr_2000                                      
>   > >                                                
>   > > >                     <tlj1@c...        To:     shadow-
>   > > discuss@yahoogroups.com                                    
>   > > >                     >" <tlj1             
>   > > 
>   
cc:                                                                   
>   > >     
>   > > >                                          Subject:     
[shadow-
>   > > discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions                   
>   > > >                     
>   > > 
>   
01/06/2003                                                            
>   > >                          
>   > > >                     02:49 
>   > > 
>   
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>   > > 
>   
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>   > >                          
>   > > >                     respond 
>   > > 
>   
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>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin.   I have ~ 4,500K of RAM 
left.  
>   It
>   > > > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems.  
But 
>   I
>   > > > could be wrong.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for 
my 
>   > > Shadow
>   > > > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop 
of "fatal
>   > > > exceptions".  I can't even get to the screen that asks if I 
>   want to
>   > > > enable hacks.  Uggh.
>   > > > 
>   > > > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse.  
I'm 
>   fairly
>   > > > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable 
>   through a
>   > > > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office 
(primarily
>   > > > addresses and calendar items).  There are probably some 
>   settings 
>   > > that
>   > > > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.  
>   Hanging
>   > > > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or 
the 
>   > > like)
>   > > > before the end of the week.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
>   > > > 
>   > > > Todd
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" 
<kevin@g...> 
>   > > wrote:
>   > > > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
>   > > > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda 
>   itself or
>   > > > were getting full.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the 
fatal
>   > > > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or 
>   cancel to
>   > > > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal 
exception
>   > > > occasionally..try it a couple times.  if you can get by 
that 
>   point,
>   > > > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few 
apps 
>   you
>   > > > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes 
things 
>   run
>   > > > smoother.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > do you backup in some manner?  hopefully, through the 
card 
>   backup,
>   > > > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do 
the 
>   hard
>   > > > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by 
one.  
>   let 
>   > > us
>   > > > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may 
be a 
>   few
>   > > > tips to help you not load back what is currently 
problematic.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program 
potentially 
>   messing
>   > > > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do 
a 
>   hard
>   > > > reset no matter what.  have to be VERY careful about 
loading 
>   stuff
>   > > > lots don't use or that is very new.  if it isn't a real 
popular
>   > > > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems 
>   before
>   > > > loading.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > good luck,
>   > > > > Kevin
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > ------------------------------
>   > > > > Enjoy life!
>   > > > > ------------------------------
>   > > > >   ----- Original Message -----
>   > > > >   From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
>   > > > >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>   > > > >   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
>   > > > >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the 
>   shortcut
>   > > > (set
>   > > > >   up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off 
my 
>   card).
>   > > > I am
>   > > > >   now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a 
soft
>   > > > reset, it
>   > > > >   continues to give me a "fatal exception" message.  
There 
>   does 
>   > > not
>   > > > >   seem to be any way to get to any other screen.  Any 
advice 
>   would
>   > > > be
>   > > > >   greatly appreciated!!
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   Todd
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   *******************************
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   Help! My Shadow application was working fine until 
about an 
>   hour
>   > > > ago
>   > > > >   (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the 
>   problem,
>   > > > >   though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX 
and I 
>   tap 
>   > > on
>   > > > >   the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and 
have 
>   to 
>   > > do
>   > > > a
>   > > > >   soft reset. The only thing I did different (between 
when I 
>   could
>   > > > vs.
>   > > > >   could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
>   > > > my "Colorize"
>   > > > >   application. I have since deleted that app but the 
problem
>   > > > remains.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open 
the 
>   > > native
>   > > > >   launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, 
I 
>   get
>   > > > >   a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   One other data point ... there now seems to be another 
>   Shadow 
>   > > app
>   > > > on
>   > > > >   my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it 
says 
>   that
>   > > > it
>   > > > >   was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same 
as 
>   the
>   > > > Shadow
>   > > > >   app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open 
>   Shadow,
>   > > > based
>   > > > >   on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem 
>   might 
>   > > be,
>   > > > I
>   > > > >   would be very grateful! I am away and unable to 
hotsync / 
>   backup
>   > > > >   (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few 
days. 
>   What
>   > > > do
>   > > > >   I do??!!
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   Much thanks,
>   > > > >
>   > > > >   Todd
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   > > > 
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8614

From: gf_gollum gf_gollum@y...  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:18pm
Subject: Feature request for Shadow desktop client

 
Could the dekstop Shadow Plan, indicate the last modified / synced 
date for the file being edited. Anywhere on the editing screen would 
be good.
Graham
8615

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:02pm
Subject: Highlighting by tags?

 
What are the chances of a facility enabling highlighting (in the same way 
as filtering) by tags, especially custom tags?

Unless I am being very stupid (again!) I don't think this is possible at 
present, but it would certainly be very useful: I am currently planning a 
day trip to Barcelona; as it is only a day, I want to maximise the benefit 
by tight planning.  I have prepared a "tour schedule" that is based on 
locations, but with tags to identify (eg) Gaudi-designed buildings.  I can 
filter on "Gaudi" to produce a "mini-tour" for Gaudi-related sites only, 
but would like to be able to keep the whole tour in view, but with the 
ability to highlight the Gaudi-related sites within the whole tour

Any views or suggestions?

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, Datebk5, JackFlash, 
ShadowPlan and a variety of system extension hacks)
8616

From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: RE: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
I missed the majority of this thread because of vacations, but I'll
throw in my two cents: 

This is the *one* feature I miss from LifeBalance... 

I think it would be a significant value-add to Shadow's power if you
could add this functionality, Jeff.

Saludos,
Fred. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:28 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
> 
> 
> i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make 
> a simple linking when the item above is completed, within 
> each parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that 
> appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had 
> been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super 
> complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it 
> seems.  a quick and easy option would seem to make it very 
> nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that 
> were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next 
> action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't have 
> it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
> complicated!  ; ) Enjoy, Kevin
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
> 
> 
>   Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is 
>   used.  Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has 
>   been completed.
> 
>   As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the 
>   next top level:
>   A
>     1
>     2
>       i
>       ii
>     3
>   B
> 
>   In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed 
>   2ii, when completed link to 3.  Once done we stop.  Seems that auto-
>   check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
> 
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
>   wrote:
>   >       So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing 
>   should
>   > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
>   > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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8617

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very simple.  a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach (or even specifying at which level the children under it link when item before is checked).  hopefully sometime soon with the simple solution, then later to address the few what if this or that!  hoping like you!!!
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frederick G. Turner 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?


  I missed the majority of this thread because of vacations, but I'll
  throw in my two cents: 

  This is the *one* feature I miss from LifeBalance... 

  I think it would be a significant value-add to Shadow's power if you
  could add this functionality, Jeff.

  Saludos,
  Fred. 

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...] 
  > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:28 PM
  > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
  > 
  > 
  > i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make 
  > a simple linking when the item above is completed, within 
  > each parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that 
  > appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had 
  > been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super 
  > complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it 
  > seems.  a quick and easy option would seem to make it very 
  > nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that 
  > were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next 
  > action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't have 
  > it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
  > complicated!  ; ) Enjoy, Kevin
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
  >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
  > 
  > 
  >   Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is 
  >   used.  Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has 
  >   been completed.
  > 
  >   As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the 
  >   next top level:
  >   A
  >     1
  >     2
  >       i
  >       ii
  >     3
  >   B
  > 
  >   In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed 
  >   2ii, when completed link to 3.  Once done we stop.  Seems that auto-
  >   check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
  > 
  > 
  >   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
  >   wrote:
  >   >       So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing 
  >   should
  >   > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
  >   > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > 
  > 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8618

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:57pm
Subject: Re: Feature/Sync Suggestion - TUTOS -> ShadowPlan

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, pgrunwald <pgrunwald@c...> wrote:

> I am currently evaluating an Open Source Project management tool 
> called TUTOS - http://www.tutos.org/homepage/about.html.   
> 
> Has anyone looked at what it would take to produce ShadowPlan .xml 
> files out of Tutos?  
> 
> Are people interested in this functionality?  
> 
> Are there people on this board who are qualified and willing to help 
> with SQL or PHP coding to develop this functionality?

	Also check shadow-developer.

	It should be reasonably "easy" (nothign is ever easy.. it starts
easy, and balloons from there :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8619

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Highlighting by tags?

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Justin Nelson wrote:

> What are the chances of a facility enabling highlighting (in the same way 
> as filtering) by tags, especially custom tags?

	Eventually; I intend on merging the hilight and custom filter
systems.. so as to allow you to use hilights of custom filters. (ie: Right
now a hilight is just a filter that doesn't filter, but does colourize. I
intend on allowing you to pick a custom filter and use it in the same
subsystem). Should work very nicely. Something for 2.8 hopefully :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8620

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very
> simple.  a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what
> ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but
> merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach
> (or even specifying at which level the children under it link when
> item before is checked).  hopefully sometime soon with the simple
> solution, then later to address the few what if this or that!  hoping
> like you!!!

	Hows this..

	I can put it in for 2.7.x.. but I'm not going to put it in for 2.7
(and hold up getting 2.7 out the door). IF a few of you guys are in
shadow-test, remind me in a week (after 2.7 is out hopefully), and I'll
put something cheap and simple into an alpha, and we can see how it works
out in practice :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8621

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
Sooner than i expected!  No problem, i will make sure to remind you in a week or so.  Thanks, as ALWAYS!
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?


  On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very
  > simple.  a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what
  > ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but
  > merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach
  > (or even specifying at which level the children under it link when
  > item before is checked).  hopefully sometime soon with the simple
  > solution, then later to address the few what if this or that!  hoping
  > like you!!!

        Hows this..

        I can put it in for 2.7.x.. but I'm not going to put it in for 2.7
  (and hold up getting 2.7 out the door). IF a few of you guys are in
  shadow-test, remind me in a week (after 2.7 is out hopefully), and I'll
  put something cheap and simple into an alpha, and we can see how it works
  out in practice :)

              jeff

  --
  "Have you played Atari today?"



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8622

From: imjb3 imjb@h...  <imjb@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:25pm
Subject: Feature request: Filters using specific dates

 
I have been monitoring the discussion forum for the past month or so 
and have found the discussions (generally) to be very useful.

I would like to re-present for consideration a request to modify the 
filter manager so a specific date can be entered when creating a 
filter for the Target Date, Start Date, or Finish Date fields.

I would like to:
1) filter items with target dates <, = , or > than a specific date
2) filter items with target dates between two dates (e.g. a filter 
with two rules: target date >= 12/01/2002 AND target date <= 01/31/03)


I submitted this request in this discussion forum on 2002-11-21 and 
Jeff's reply on 2002-11-22 was as follows:

> I never figured filtering for specific date was useful.. ie: The
> filter would be used for one day and not likely later, and I want
> the filtering system to be useful for general re-usable filters.
> When I add > more date filtration stuff, I'd like to support a more
> general date system than "this date" or "that date" which isn't all
> that useful very often.
> Adding "from here to there" is a fair amount of work, and the other
> sorts of date things are work too. So I expect to add some more 
> date stuff, but it'll likely be a little while due to complexity.

I appreciate the desire to create generally re-useable filters but I 
would like to reconsider the assumption that creating filters using 
specific dates would not be generally re-useable. I would like to set 
up the rules using project milestone dates and they would be 
reuseable for the duration of the project.

I have been able to use tags that duplicate the date information to 
accomplish what I need but this means I have to maintain the 
information in two places.

I considered reordering my lists by date so that all of the 
activities within a project milestone are grouped together but then I 
would have to set up tags so I could see things associated with 
specific 'deliverables'.

Would the requested changes be difficult to implement? If not, could 
this functionality be made available until a more complicated 
solution is developed?

Is there another way to accomplish what I am trying to do that I am 
unaware of?

Thanks!
-John Basinger-
8623

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:16pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]

 
So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this through a 
little more.  Do you think having the program auto-link the todo 
will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task less?

One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) is losing 
connection to my tasks.  Somehow in digital form I don't give them 
the same weight I would if I were using a paper based system.  For 
now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am going to 
complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new feature I 
wouldn't even have to do that.

Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always 
interested in others opinions.

FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to reread 
it.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make a 
simple linking when the item above is completed, within each 
parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that appear to 
want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading (!!!), 
that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus it 
got put on the back burner it seems.  a quick and easy option would 
seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, like 
Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of 
next action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't have 
it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
complicated!  ; )
> Enjoy,
> Kevin
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
> 
> 
>   Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is 
>   used.  Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 
has 
>   been completed.
> 
>   As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at 
the 
>   next top level:
>   A
>     1
>     2
>       i
>       ii
>     3
>   B
> 
>   In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when 
completed 
>   2ii, when completed link to 3.  Once done we stop.  Seems that 
auto-
>   check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
> 
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell 
<support@s...> 
>   wrote:
>   >       So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), 
nothing 
>   should
>   > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
>   > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8624

From: mladensk susan@a...  <susan@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:19pm
Subject: Tags vs categories

 
Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and 
categories?  Other than the limitation of 15 on categories.  Also, 
insight into how tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook?  Just 
trying to get my head around this.

Susan
8625

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Tags vs categories

 
right now, tags are internal only to Shadow, so I don't think they will be
of any use to you in DB5 and Outlook. Tags are much more powerful than
Categories when it comes to filtering and custom views. Hope this helps.

Scott


                                                                                                                            
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                    01/07/2003 12:19 PM                                                                                     
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Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and
categories?  Other than the limitation of 15 on categories.  Also,
insight into how tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook?  Just
trying to get my head around this.

Susan


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8626

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]

 
Depends on how you organize i think.  I do all my task outlining, etc., in Shadow, and thus constantly review it and see all my tasks...and usually arrange the children in the order i need to complete them.  When i go to my to do list, i would rather not see every item there except for those i need to and can work on that day, otherwise it is far too cluttered and seems overwhelming.  Thus, i think the idea is to organize within Shadow where you see all your items, and then each will pop into your to do list when it is time.  Of course, you don't have to do this to every list, only those you want to handle in this manner.  Just my quick thoughts off the top of my head.
Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]


  So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this through a 
  little more.  Do you think having the program auto-link the todo 
  will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task less?

  One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) is losing 
  connection to my tasks.  Somehow in digital form I don't give them 
  the same weight I would if I were using a paper based system.  For 
  now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am going to 
  complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new feature I 
  wouldn't even have to do that.

  Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always 
  interested in others opinions.

  FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to reread 
  it.

  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> 
  wrote:
  > i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make a 
  simple linking when the item above is completed, within each 
  parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that appear to 
  want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading (!!!), 
  that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus it 
  got put on the back burner it seems.  a quick and easy option would 
  seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, like 
  Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of 
  next action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't have 
  it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
  complicated!  ; )
  > Enjoy,
  > Kevin


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From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Tags vs categories

 
On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:19:16 -0000, "mladensk <susan@a...>"
<susan@a...> wrote:

>Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and 
>categories?  Other than the limitation of 15 on categories.  Also, 
>insight into how tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook?  Just 
>trying to get my head around this.

Categories have two problems - the limitation of 15, and the fact that an item
can only have one category.

For me the latter limitation is also important.   For example, suppose I have a
task "Contact Fred about meeting".   If I put that in my "phone" category, then
I might keep trying him without reaching him by phone.   However, if I also
have his email address, then if I could also put the same task in "email"
category, then why I am doing email, I could send him an email and try to
contact him that way.

Tags is a separate (but similar) system only within Shadow, that doesn't have
the limitation of 15, AND allows you to use multiple tags on an item.

Since it is internal to Shadow, it doesn't show up anywhere else.   However, if
the item is linked in a Palm database, then the category of the linked items is
preserved.

For example, if the Shadow task described above is created from a ToDo database
item "Contact Fred about meeting" which has category "Phone", then that ToDo
item and ToDo Category are preserved, and the ToDo item will still show up in
DB5, for example.


--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...
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From: Jesse Reyes jreyes1958@y...  <jreyes1958@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 8:45pm
Subject: Re: text filter

 
"DUUUHH"

thanks, 

i guess you know how stupid i feel


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Jesse Reyes 
<jreyes1958@y...>" <jreyes1958@y...> wrote:
> would love to be able to filter a list on text in the record
> something as simple as
> 
> title "contains"  <search string>
> title "doesn't contain" <search string>
> 
> using find is just too hard to work with when trying to find 
> occurences of a particular string in an outline -- filtered list 
> would be better.
8629

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:10pm
Subject: Shadow 2.6.16a BETA Released!

 
This is a beta version of the application. We've been beating the
heck out of it in alpha for awhile now, so it is probably quite stable.
But due to many changes in the application infrastructure I wanted to get
as wide a set of tests as I can before releasing this, to make sure we
catch any oddities.

	There are a few minor things to go in, but barring any major
problems, this version plus a few little things will become Shadow Plan
2.7. If you see any oddities or problems or serious omissions, please let
me/us know so we can get onto it for our pre-release alpha.

	You shouldn't be afraid of this version; I'd like as many people
to try it out as can be. At worst it displays funny and you go back to
2.6.7 or 2.6.0, but I'm pretty sure this version is super solid.

	This is *not* for general distribution. After a couple of days of
beta, I'll package it up with the installer and everything, and make it
2.7. Probably Monday or Tuesday. for now its a shadow-discuss limited
edition. ry it out, beat it up, let me know good or bad. So please get
back to me ASAP, since I'm hoping to get 2.7 out to the public *soon* :)

	Good reports are just as good as bad reports... if I get no
"goods" I don't know what you think, or if its ready. So please write back
(privately or publicly) with "I love it!" or "I hate it!" and why :) If
you see any bugs, be sure to let me/us know ASAP!

	What are you looking for?

	1) It is very OS5 friendly; should render and work very well on
all units (old and new). Should run just as fast or faster on old units,
and should run like a bat out of hell on the new units. Theres no special
5-way stuff in there yet for the Tungsten (thats coming), but it'll run
nice.

	2) In the global prefs you'll find the Theme Preferences. The
entire rendering engine has been updated to support following colors of
your choice. Be sure to take a peek and tune the display to your
liking. You can set the background colours, the text colours, and the
colour of the gadgetry (collapse/expand arrows, link arrows, checkboxes,
all that stuff). Let me know how it goes.

	3) Virtual grafitti (for ony Clie). (Handera to come soon) On the
Sony NR and NX and whatnot you should be able to collapse and expand the
virtual grafitti in the list view. I'd have to check, but you can really
cram the information onscreen now. Go to high res mode, pick a 5 point
font in font bucket, and see if you can get 80 or 90 lines on there :)

	Theres some other things in there, but I can't recall off the top
of my head; been working on themes and virtual grafitti too long :)

	If you have a really nice screenshot of your theme, let me know :)

	Get it here:
	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow2616a.zip

	I hope to see the floodgates open in my inbox :)

	Enjoy!

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:47pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.16a BETA Released!

 
Jeff, i'm in the alpha group too, but wanted to let you know all is well on my TT still with your latest and greatest!  And of course i love it!
Kevin

------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:10 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow 2.6.16a BETA Released!



        This is a beta version of the application. We've been beating the
  heck out of it in alpha for awhile now, so it is probably quite stable.
  But due to many changes in the application infrastructure I wanted to get
  as wide a set of tests as I can before releasing this, to make sure we
  catch any oddities.

    

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:52pm
Subject: Re: Feature request: Filters using specific dates

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, imjb3 <imjb@h...> wrote:

> I have been monitoring the discussion forum for the past month or so 
> and have found the discussions (generally) to be very useful.
> 
> I would like to re-present for consideration a request to modify the 
> filter manager so a specific date can be entered when creating a 
> filter for the Target Date, Start Date, or Finish Date fields.
> 
> I would like to:
> 1) filter items with target dates <, = , or > than a specific date
> 2) filter items with target dates between two dates (e.g. a filter 
> with two rules: target date >= 12/01/2002 AND target date <= 01/31/03)

	Perhaps something we can do in 2.8?

	Can you remind me again in a week or two? (I know, here I am,
maker of task management software asking people to remind me. Ironic?
Really, its a defense mechanism.. if you care enough about a feature,
you'll bug me again. It tends to get rid of ideas someone doesn't care
passionately about. Also, I'm very stretched on time right now, so I'm
playing cat and mouse ;)

	I would like to do something along these lines.

		jef

> 
> 
> I submitted this request in this discussion forum on 2002-11-21 and 
> Jeff's reply on 2002-11-22 was as follows:
> 
> > I never figured filtering for specific date was useful.. ie: The
> > filter would be used for one day and not likely later, and I want
> > the filtering system to be useful for general re-usable filters.
> > When I add > more date filtration stuff, I'd like to support a more
> > general date system than "this date" or "that date" which isn't all
> > that useful very often.
> > Adding "from here to there" is a fair amount of work, and the other
> > sorts of date things are work too. So I expect to add some more 
> > date stuff, but it'll likely be a little while due to complexity.
> 
> I appreciate the desire to create generally re-useable filters but I 
> would like to reconsider the assumption that creating filters using 
> specific dates would not be generally re-useable. I would like to set 
> up the rules using project milestone dates and they would be 
> reuseable for the duration of the project.
> 
> I have been able to use tags that duplicate the date information to 
> accomplish what I need but this means I have to maintain the 
> information in two places.
> 
> I considered reordering my lists by date so that all of the 
> activities within a project milestone are grouped together but then I 
> would have to set up tags so I could see things associated with 
> specific 'deliverables'.
> 
> Would the requested changes be difficult to implement? If not, could 
> this functionality be made available until a more complicated 
> solution is developed?
> 
> Is there another way to accomplish what I am trying to do that I am 
> unaware of?
> 
> Thanks!
> -John Basinger-
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8632

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Tags vs categories

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:

> Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and categories?  
> Other than the limitation of 15 on categories.  Also, insight into how
> tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook?  Just trying to get my head
> around this.

	A category is like a specific version (more limited) of a tag; a
tag can be a category, but a category cannot be a tag. (OKay, that didn't
help, I know, but I'm tired ;)

	Teh basic properties can help.. you can have mroe than 15
tags. You can also have multiple tags per item, and yuo can categorixe the
tags. Tags are across all lists.

	OKay, so that means you could create a cateogry of tags called
"status", and the tags in that category could be "immediate", "pending",
"on-hold", "tossed", etc. You could create another tag category called
"location" and populate it with "home", "work', "franks", "on-road", etc.

	So then you can use tags like categories... task "A" is
"Important" and "At Franks", say.

	You can create a custom filter to pick up items with those two
tags as well as other features in the filter.

	So tags can be used as categories, or as attributes or
dependancies. You depend on a piece of equipment? Your'e waiting on
something from someone? Is that a category? Not really.. in your mind, you
might categorize by job or by lcoation.. but here you can categorize as
yuo really deep inside want to, and use tags for attributes. It is common
to use palm categories for these attributes, when really you'd rather
categorize some other way.

	And with tags, since you can have many of them on an item, and
many saved custom fitlers, you can in effect categorize multiple ways *at
the same time*.

	One minute you activate the "At Franks" filter to see all the jobs
at Franks place. Then you activate the filter to see Important jobs. (And
Important is defined by you, and not just by say Priority.. you define
Important however you want it in your head, and tag the items that are
impoertant! No more bending to fit the system.. let the system bend to fit
you!).

	It is a very powerful thing.

	Sorry I can't write clearer.. I'm beat :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8633

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]

 
OK, but as of now you must go into Shadow and check each item to be 
worked on today so that it goes to your todo list.  If Shadow 
automatically creates linked todos, do you think you'll have any 
less of a connection with them.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> Depends on how you organize i think.  I do all my task outlining, 
etc., in Shadow, and thus constantly review it and see all my 
tasks...and usually arrange the children in the order i need to 
complete them.  When i go to my to do list, i would rather not see 
every item there except for those i need to and can work on that 
day, otherwise it is far too cluttered and seems overwhelming.  
Thus, i think the idea is to organize within Shadow where you see 
all your items, and then each will pop into your to do list when it 
is time.  Of course, you don't have to do this to every list, only 
those you want to handle in this manner.  Just my quick thoughts off 
the top of my head.
> Kevin
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? 
[OT]
> 
> 
>   So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this 
through a 
>   little more.  Do you think having the program auto-link the todo 
>   will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task less?
> 
>   One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) is 
losing 
>   connection to my tasks.  Somehow in digital form I don't give 
them 
>   the same weight I would if I were using a paper based system.  
For 
>   now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am going 
to 
>   complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new feature I 
>   wouldn't even have to do that.
> 
>   Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always 
>   interested in others opinions.
> 
>   FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to 
reread 
>   it.
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" 
<kevin@g...> 
>   wrote:
>   > i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make 
a 
>   simple linking when the item above is completed, within each 
>   parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that appear 
to 
>   want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading 
(!!!), 
>   that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus 
it 
>   got put on the back burner it seems.  a quick and easy option 
would 
>   seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, 
like 
>   Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept 
of 
>   next action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't 
have 
>   it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
>   complicated!  ; )
>   > Enjoy,
>   > Kevin
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:05pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go to?  
Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
primary tag.

If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a different 
context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call someone, so 
the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually pickup an 
item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.

Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.



--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very 
simple.  a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what 
ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but 
merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach 
(or even specifying at which level the children under it link when 
item before is checked).  hopefully sometime soon with the simple 
solution, then later to address the few what if this or that!  
hoping like you!!!
> Enjoy,
> Kevin
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Frederick G. Turner 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 AM
>   Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next 
task ?
> 
> 
>   I missed the majority of this thread because of vacations, but 
I'll
>   throw in my two cents: 
> 
>   This is the *one* feature I miss from LifeBalance... 
> 
>   I think it would be a significant value-add to Shadow's power if 
you
>   could add this functionality, Jeff.
> 
>   Saludos,
>   Fred. 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...] 
>   > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:28 PM
>   > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next 
task ?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make 
>   > a simple linking when the item above is completed, within 
>   > each parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that 
>   > appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had 
>   > been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super 
>   > complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it 
>   > seems.  a quick and easy option would seem to make it very 
>   > nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that 
>   > were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next 
>   > action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't have 
>   > it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
>   > complicated!  ; ) Enjoy, Kevin
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
>   >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next 
task ?
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Really it should be activated only when the next step filter 
is 
>   >   used.  Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until 
item 1 has 
>   >   been completed.
>   > 
>   >   As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop 
at the 
>   >   next top level:
>   >   A
>   >     1
>   >     2
>   >       i
>   >       ii
>   >     3
>   >   B
>   > 
>   >   In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when 
completed 
>   >   2ii, when completed link to 3.  Once done we stop.  Seems 
that auto-
>   >   check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell 
<support@s...> 
>   >   wrote:
>   >   >       So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), 
nothing 
>   >   should
>   >   > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
>   >   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   > 
>   > 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8635

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
Griff  wrote:

>I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go to?  
>Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
>primary tag.
>
>If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a different 
>context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call someone, so 
>the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually pickup an 
>item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.
>
>Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
>linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
>have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.
>
>  
>
That's why I wanted tag info in the origin stamp!!

-- 

Jen

http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
8636

From: Andrew Venables  <aptd43@d...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Date-based filter rules

 
Thanks for this - after I sent the mail, I got to thinking, I wonder if
you've got this covered and I just can't see it - and you had!
Best Wishes
Andrew

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: "Shadow-discuss" <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Date-based filter rules


> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Andrew Venables wrote:
>
> > When I'm creating a custom filter using tags, I would like to be able
> > to use the same sort of time filters (eg specifically current/past
> > targets) as the built-in filters, as well as the tag, yet I only have
> > available last week, this week, yesterday, today, tomorrow, next 7
> > days, next week (for eg Target date). I realise you could build
> > combinations of these, but for example you can't build an equivalent
> > of 'current/past targets' from these. Is there any chance you could
> > add or modify the choices for the date based rules to make this
> > possible in the future?
>
> Current/Past is actually "Target <= Today" (or you coudl
> aggregate.. Target = Today OR Target <= Today).
>
> So I think you're covered on that one? Theres a few internal
> filters (like next step) that you cannot build with custom filters.. but
> not many.
>
> jeff
>
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
>
>
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>
>
8637

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]

 
unsure what you are saying/asking...?
i try to review and update my Shadow list once per week, thus am always in that list messing around.  however, on my calendar to do list, i would prefer not to have every item there until i am ready to work on it (remember, that is an option we are speaking about that is list specific, and not necessary if you want all items linked).  the items on one of my Shadow lists have the preferred order that i want to work on items, and tend to have items added to the end as time goes on.  thus, when the first is completed, it pops the second or next one into my to do list (in my calendar program, as i know shadow displays them all for me to review).  when i look at my daily calendar, for that list i have only the next item in order to focus upon, not what may be the next 5 items when i want to tackle them one at a time in the order i put them in Shadow.  
that explain what you were asking, sort of...?
Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:59 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]


  OK, but as of now you must go into Shadow and check each item to be 
  worked on today so that it goes to your todo list.  If Shadow 
  automatically creates linked todos, do you think you'll have any 
  less of a connection with them.

  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
  wrote:
  > Depends on how you organize i think.  I do all my task outlining, 
  etc., in Shadow, and thus constantly review it and see all my 
  tasks...and usually arrange the children in the order i need to 
  complete them.  When i go to my to do list, i would rather not see 
  every item there except for those i need to and can work on that 
  day, otherwise it is far too cluttered and seems overwhelming.  
  Thus, i think the idea is to organize within Shadow where you see 
  all your items, and then each will pop into your to do list when it 
  is time.  Of course, you don't have to do this to every list, only 
  those you want to handle in this manner.  Just my quick thoughts off 
  the top of my head.
  > Kevin
  > 
  > 
  > ------------------------------
  > Enjoy life!
  > ------------------------------
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
  >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? 
  [OT]
  > 
  > 
  >   So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this 
  through a 
  >   little more.  Do you think having the program auto-link the todo 
  >   will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task less?
  > 
  >   One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) is 
  losing 
  >   connection to my tasks.  Somehow in digital form I don't give 
  them 
  >   the same weight I would if I were using a paper based system.  
  For 
  >   now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am going 
  to 
  >   complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new feature I 
  >   wouldn't even have to do that.
  > 
  >   Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always 
  >   interested in others opinions.
  > 
  >   FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to 
  reread 
  >   it.
  > 
  >   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" 
  <kevin@g...> 
  >   wrote:
  >   > i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to make 
  a 
  >   simple linking when the item above is completed, within each 
  >   parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that appear 
  to 
  >   want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading 
  (!!!), 
  >   that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus 
  it 
  >   got put on the back burner it seems.  a quick and easy option 
  would 
  >   seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, 
  like 
  >   Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept 
  of 
  >   next action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, can't 
  have 
  >   it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
  >   complicated!  ; )
  >   > Enjoy,
  >   > Kevin
  > 
  > 
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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
getting past where the simpleness concept is, but lets see...

first, i merely want the next to do item to pop up in my list of to do items for the day, so not concerned as much initially with a category selection being attached.  since i try to keep each day to a realistic list of items i can accomplish, there are not too many items to deal with per day on my list.

as for the to do category...here's a thought, as i have tried to follow some posts i have read and have the same categories in Shadow that i have in my calendar program...Jeff, can we assign a category in Shadow without first having to link it to the to do database?  if so, then when it later automatically links in the to do database it would already have the category i assigned it when i first put it in Shadow.

if this idea would work, even better, but the main idea is to have it link into the to do listings without having them all clutter it up by being forced to either link everyone of them automatically upon creation or each one individually.  a quick time saver added for certain lists, and less clutter on the daily to do list.

my quick thoughts...

Kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:05 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?


  I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go to?  
  Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
  primary tag.

  If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a different 
  context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call someone, so 
  the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually pickup an 
  item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.

  Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
  linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
  have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.




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From: broth123 broth123@y...  <broth123@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:54pm
Subject: Re: Feature request: Filters using specific dates

 
I would second or thrid the request - I asked for this also a while 
back.  I would think that we could add the "choose date" option that 
exist on the date fields within shadow.  

I would like to build a filter, more on the fly that refers to a 
specific date range.  Maybe like finding out what tasks were 
completed within a given date range.

My idea was kind of a temp filter that would be built on the fly.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" 
<imjb@h...> wrote:
> I have been monitoring the discussion forum for the past month or 
so 
> and have found the discussions (generally) to be very useful.
> 
> I would like to re-present for consideration a request to modify 
the 
> filter manager so a specific date can be entered when creating a 
> filter for the Target Date, Start Date, or Finish Date fields.
> 
> I would like to:
> 1) filter items with target dates <, = , or > than a specific date
> 2) filter items with target dates between two dates (e.g. a filter 
> with two rules: target date >= 12/01/2002 AND target date <= 
01/31/03)
> 
> 
> I submitted this request in this discussion forum on 2002-11-21 
and 
> Jeff's reply on 2002-11-22 was as follows:
> 
> > I never figured filtering for specific date was useful.. ie: The
> > filter would be used for one day and not likely later, and I want
> > the filtering system to be useful for general re-usable filters.
> > When I add > more date filtration stuff, I'd like to support a 
more
> > general date system than "this date" or "that date" which isn't 
all
> > that useful very often.
> > Adding "from here to there" is a fair amount of work, and the 
other
> > sorts of date things are work too. So I expect to add some more 
> > date stuff, but it'll likely be a little while due to complexity.
> 
> I appreciate the desire to create generally re-useable filters but 
I 
> would like to reconsider the assumption that creating filters 
using 
> specific dates would not be generally re-useable. I would like to 
set 
> up the rules using project milestone dates and they would be 
> reuseable for the duration of the project.
> 
> I have been able to use tags that duplicate the date information 
to 
> accomplish what I need but this means I have to maintain the 
> information in two places.
> 
> I considered reordering my lists by date so that all of the 
> activities within a project milestone are grouped together but 
then I 
> would have to set up tags so I could see things associated with 
> specific 'deliverables'.
> 
> Would the requested changes be difficult to implement? If not, 
could 
> this functionality be made available until a more complicated 
> solution is developed?
> 
> Is there another way to accomplish what I am trying to do that I 
am 
> unaware of?
> 
> Thanks!
> -John Basinger-
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:26am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
I know I know...

But how do you keep track of context during the day with your 
current system.  I think I've read you use GTD, but maybe I'm 
wrong.  I'd think that you must categorize your todos so you can 
quickly switch to @Phone for example.  Without category support 
on "auto-link next step" the feature would be just about useless for 
me because I don't want to go back to "recontext" all of the todos. 

I like the idea of having almost a pre-category...that'd work, but 
may make things too complex.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> getting past where the simpleness concept is, but lets see...
> 
> first, i merely want the next to do item to pop up in my list of 
to do items for the day, so not concerned as much initially with a 
category selection being attached.  since i try to keep each day to 
a realistic list of items i can accomplish, there are not too many 
items to deal with per day on my list.
> 
> as for the to do category...here's a thought, as i have tried to 
follow some posts i have read and have the same categories in Shadow 
that i have in my calendar program...Jeff, can we assign a category 
in Shadow without first having to link it to the to do database?  if 
so, then when it later automatically links in the to do database it 
would already have the category i assigned it when i first put it in 
Shadow.
> 
> if this idea would work, even better, but the main idea is to have 
it link into the to do listings without having them all clutter it 
up by being forced to either link everyone of them automatically 
upon creation or each one individually.  a quick time saver added 
for certain lists, and less clutter on the daily to do list.
> 
> my quick thoughts...
> 
> Kevin
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:05 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
> 
> 
>   I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go 
to?  
>   Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
>   primary tag.
> 
>   If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a 
different 
>   context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call 
someone, so 
>   the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually 
pickup an 
>   item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.
> 
>   Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
>   linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
>   have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:27am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
But wouldn't it be a pain to look in the note for each todo to see 
what context it's in?

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, PocketGoddess <jen@p...> 
wrote:
> Griff  wrote:
> 
> >I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go 
to?  
> >Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
> >primary tag.
> >
> >If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a 
different 
> >context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call someone, 
so 
> >the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually pickup 
an 
> >item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.
> >
> >Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
> >linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
> >have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.
> >
> >  
> >
> That's why I wanted tag info in the origin stamp!!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Jen
> 
> http://www.pocketgoddess.com
> 98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
8642

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:31am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [WOT]

 
I tend to wander into these very deep, odd thought patterns.  What 
I'm thinking is that I already place less values on my todos because 
they are in digital form, much easier to delete, move forward, edit, 
whatever, than when I was writing them on paper.  It's just a mental 
thing with me, and I hear alot of people have the same issue.  

So my thought is that if I already place lesser value on todos 
because they are digital, I may place even less value if they pop 
onto my todo list magically.  At least for now I have to look at my 
list and say yes (check), I am going to do this today...with the new 
feature I wouldn't have to do that and I fear I might even further 
disconnect from my todos...was just curious if others felt the same 
way.

As I said...I wander...

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> unsure what you are saying/asking...?
> i try to review and update my Shadow list once per week, thus am 
always in that list messing around.  however, on my calendar to do 
list, i would prefer not to have every item there until i am ready 
to work on it (remember, that is an option we are speaking about 
that is list specific, and not necessary if you want all items 
linked).  the items on one of my Shadow lists have the preferred 
order that i want to work on items, and tend to have items added to 
the end as time goes on.  thus, when the first is completed, it pops 
the second or next one into my to do list (in my calendar program, 
as i know shadow displays them all for me to review).  when i look 
at my daily calendar, for that list i have only the next item in 
order to focus upon, not what may be the next 5 items when i want to 
tackle them one at a time in the order i put them in Shadow.  
> that explain what you were asking, sort of...?
> Kevin
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:59 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? 
[OT]
> 
> 
>   OK, but as of now you must go into Shadow and check each item to 
be 
>   worked on today so that it goes to your todo list.  If Shadow 
>   automatically creates linked todos, do you think you'll have any 
>   less of a connection with them.
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Depends on how you organize i think.  I do all my task 
outlining, 
>   etc., in Shadow, and thus constantly review it and see all my 
>   tasks...and usually arrange the children in the order i need to 
>   complete them.  When i go to my to do list, i would rather not 
see 
>   every item there except for those i need to and can work on that 
>   day, otherwise it is far too cluttered and seems overwhelming.  
>   Thus, i think the idea is to organize within Shadow where you 
see 
>   all your items, and then each will pop into your to do list when 
it 
>   is time.  Of course, you don't have to do this to every list, 
only 
>   those you want to handle in this manner.  Just my quick thoughts 
off 
>   the top of my head.
>   > Kevin
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ------------------------------
>   > Enjoy life!
>   > ------------------------------
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Griff <keith@t...> 
>   >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
>   >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next 
task ? 
>   [OT]
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this 
>   through a 
>   >   little more.  Do you think having the program auto-link the 
todo 
>   >   will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task 
less?
>   > 
>   >   One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) 
is 
>   losing 
>   >   connection to my tasks.  Somehow in digital form I don't 
give 
>   them 
>   >   the same weight I would if I were using a paper based 
system.  
>   For 
>   >   now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am 
going 
>   to 
>   >   complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new 
feature I 
>   >   wouldn't even have to do that.
>   > 
>   >   Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always 
>   >   interested in others opinions.
>   > 
>   >   FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to 
>   reread 
>   >   it.
>   > 
>   >   --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" 
>   <kevin@g...> 
>   >   wrote:
>   >   > i'm with ya on wanting this Keith!  seems very simple to 
make 
>   a 
>   >   simple linking when the item above is completed, within each 
>   >   parent.  however, there were two people i believe, that 
appear 
>   to 
>   >   want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading 
>   (!!!), 
>   >   that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and 
thus 
>   it 
>   >   got put on the back burner it seems.  a quick and easy 
option 
>   would 
>   >   seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including 
those, 
>   like 
>   >   Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) 
concept 
>   of 
>   >   next action items to accomplish larger goals.  oh well, 
can't 
>   have 
>   >   it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very 
>   >   complicated!  ; )
>   >   > Enjoy,
>   >   > Kevin
>   > 
>   > 
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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:37am
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
for the lists where i use "completion activates next task", i would tag it initially in Shadow if i wanted, but would not bother to categorize it in Shadow (time wasted).  then when the auto link next to do occurred, i would make it a habit of daily checking my to do list and adding a category from the to do list in my calendar program when a new to do was added.  thus, spend my time once on that list in the calendar program with categories as opposed to spending that time in shadow itself.  i just want less clutter in the calendar program, BUT want to make sure the next item pops up there after the previous is completed.  overall i think this would save considerable time on those types of task lists.  hope that helps...
Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:26 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?


  I know I know...

  But how do you keep track of context during the day with your 
  current system.  I think I've read you use GTD, but maybe I'm 
  wrong.  I'd think that you must categorize your todos so you can 
  quickly switch to @Phone for example.  Without category support 
  on "auto-link next step" the feature would be just about useless for 
  me because I don't want to go back to "recontext" all of the todos. 

  I like the idea of having almost a pre-category...that'd work, but 
  may make things too complex.



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8644

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:39am
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
i too would need to look more than once before it was completed, thus the reason i would not categorize in shadow, would not look to the note/tag list in the calendar program, but would once per day look to see if any new to do was there without a category and put the time in adding the category from my calendar program.
Kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:27 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?


  But wouldn't it be a pain to look in the note for each todo to see 
  what context it's in?

  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, PocketGoddess <jen@p...> 
  wrote:
  > Griff  wrote:
  > 
  > >I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go 
  to?  
  > >Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
  > >primary tag.
  > >
  > >If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a 
  different 
  > >context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call someone, 
  so 
  > >the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually pickup 
  an 
  > >item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.
  > >
  > >Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
  > >linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
  > >have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.
  > >
  > >  
  > >
  > That's why I wanted tag info in the origin stamp!!
  > 
  > -- 
  > 
  > Jen


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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:43am
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [WOT]

 
i agree with the digital to do being easier to ignore than on paper, now that i think about that concept.  interesting.

however, the thought i am mentioning in the last couple posts could actually reverse the "less emphasis" trend, because you would then focus on your actual daily to do list at least once a day, even if to just add a couple new category entries!  forces you to truly examine it each day, just like i do my master list each week in Shadow!  now if i could only live by my own rules EVERY week, life would be much easier...but getting there!
Kevin

------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:31 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? [WOT]


  I tend to wander into these very deep, odd thought patterns.  What 
  I'm thinking is that I already place less values on my todos because 
  they are in digital form, much easier to delete, move forward, edit, 
  whatever, than when I was writing them on paper.  It's just a mental 
  thing with me, and I hear alot of people have the same issue.  

  So my thought is that if I already place lesser value on todos 
  because they are digital, I may place even less value if they pop 
  onto my todo list magically.  At least for now I have to look at my 
  list and say yes (check), I am going to do this today...with the new 
  feature I wouldn't have to do that and I fear I might even further 
  disconnect from my todos...was just curious if others felt the same 
  way.

  As I said...I wander...



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From: quantum_sequoia sdwinter@p...  <sdwinter@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 2:31am
Subject: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
I've been fiddling a lot with Shadow lately and have come across a 
few minor oddities. Perhaps there is something I'm not understanding. 
I'm using ShadowPlan 2.6.0. Here they are:

1) Sorting by Tags - when I do a File/Sort/Primary - Primary Tag 
(either Ascending or Descending), the resulting list is grouped by 
Tag (as expected) but the Tags are not listed alphabetically. It 
seems as if the sort is sorting on the hidden, magic tag number 
rather than on the displayed tag. Is this intentional?

2) Scrolling and the Title Bar - If I start with a list that lacks a 
title bar, then turn the title bar on, it pushes the displayed items 
down a line to give itself room to exist at the top of the list. When 
I subsequently scroll the list by tapping on the scroll bar, the list 
moves up or down a screen at a time (as expected) but also "hides" a 
line under the title bar. It is as if the full page scroll doesn't 
know the title bar is there.

3) Creation dates in the future - whilst looking at some items on a 
list, I noticed that some of them have dates of 01/01/04. I haven't 
noticed anything odd about these items and I can't remember if I 
entered them manually or copied them from another list. Any ideas as 
to how the creation date could be set into the future.? Note that the 
date on my PDA is correct!

4) Was having some experiences with second level item numbers coming 
and going randomly but was unable to recreate it today when I went to 
document the problem for this email.

Any thoughts or ideas would be welcome. Thanks!

(BTW - great product, Jeff. Keep up the good work!)

Steve
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 2:45am
Subject: Re: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, quantum_sequoia <sdwinter@p...> wrote:

> I've been fiddling a lot with Shadow lately and have come across a 
> few minor oddities. Perhaps there is something I'm not understanding. 
> I'm using ShadowPlan 2.6.0. Here they are:
> 
> 1) Sorting by Tags - when I do a File/Sort/Primary - Primary Tag 
> (either Ascending or Descending), the resulting list is grouped by 
> Tag (as expected) but the Tags are not listed alphabetically. It 
> seems as if the sort is sorting on the hidden, magic tag number 
> rather than on the displayed tag. Is this intentional?

	Yes; doing a sort by the resulting tag text would be very
slow. Only the most recent tags are cached in memory (you dould have
thousands of tags), so when sorting we can onyl sort by the tag-id and not
the tag text. Theres more to it, but youv'e got the idea. I may look into
it in the future, time permitting.

> 2) Scrolling and the Title Bar - If I start with a list that lacks a
> title bar, then turn the title bar on, it pushes the displayed items
> down a line to give itself room to exist at the top of the list. When
> I subsequently scroll the list by tapping on the scroll bar, the list
> moves up or down a screen at a time (as expected) but also "hides" a
> line under the title bar. It is as if the full page scroll doesn't
> know the title bar is there.

	Hides? Or scrolls 2?

> 3) Creation dates in the future - whilst looking at some items on a
> list, I noticed that some of them have dates of 01/01/04. I haven't
> noticed anything odd about these items and I can't remember if I
> entered them manually or copied them from another list. Any ideas as
> to how the creation date could be set into the future.? Note that the
> date on my PDA is correct!

	Been awhile, but I think these guys come from the desktop, which
doesn't yet set the creation date correctly for the conduit.

> 4) Was having some experiences with second level item numbers coming
> and going randomly but was unable to recreate it today when I went to
> document the problem for this email.

	The mini editor can sometimes forget to use autonumbers. Should be
fixed soon. Sorry, you've managed to catch us with our pants down ;)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 2:54am
Subject: Re: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
speaking of scrollbar, the text below sent me checking again on something i had noticed for a while, but had been too lazy to check in detail and mention...sorry!  here's what i notice.  i have a list that is many pages in length, and when i tap on the scrollbar (inside the two end arrows) to jump down a page, it almost always will jump two pages.  i thought this was intentional, but then played with it just now and realize it is WAY too sensitive.  i have to tap super fast on and off to get only one page down.  if i merely push the line and lift up, nothing slow at all, almost always jumps two pages.  seems this is not the way it is supposed to be.  anyone else notice the same? Tungsten here.
Kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Minor oddities in Shadow


  On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, quantum_sequoia <sdwinter@p...> wrote:

  > I've been fiddling a lot with Shadow lately and have come across a 
  > few minor oddities. Perhaps there is something I'm not understanding. 
  > I'm using ShadowPlan 2.6.0. Here they are:
  > 
  > 2) Scrolling and the Title Bar - If I start with a list that lacks a
  > title bar, then turn the title bar on, it pushes the displayed items
  > down a line to give itself room to exist at the top of the list. When
  > I subsequently scroll the list by tapping on the scroll bar, the list
  > moves up or down a screen at a time (as expected) but also "hides" a
  > line under the title bar. It is as if the full page scroll doesn't
  > know the title bar is there.

        Hides? Or scrolls 2?



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From: Chris Harlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:39am
Subject: Jot and VG

 
For any of you with Clies or OS5 devices that are starting to use the Virtual Graffiti area with program like Shadow or DB5.0b, if you have CIC software's Jot handwriting Graffiti replacement, only the latest version 2.0 works with VG. I was having problems with Shadow's buttons in VG mode, the culprit being Jot version 1.03, but today they sent me 2.0 and it works fine. Hope this helps someone out there....
Chris, aka Grappaman

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From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:34am
Subject: Re: Highlighting by tags?

 
Excellent!  Something else to look forward to!!

At 22:34 07/01/2003 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>  Something for 2.8 hopefully :)

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a variety of system extension hacks)
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From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
I find the same (with a Palm M515, so it's not just the "super speedy" 
Tungsten!)
I had assumed I simply had way to slow reactions, and have resigned myself 
to using the up and down buttons to scroll

At 11:42 08/01/2003 +0000, Kevin wrote:
>  i have a list that is many pages in length, and when i tap on the 
> scrollbar (inside the two end arrows) to jump down a page, it almost 
> always will jump two pages.  i thought this was intentional, but then 
> played with it just now and realize it is WAY too sensitive.  i have to 
> tap super fast on and off to get only one page down.  if i merely push 
> the line and lift up, nothing slow at all, almost always jumps two 
> pages.  seems this is not the way it is supposed to be.  anyone else 
> notice the same? Tungsten here.

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a variety of system extension hacks)
8652

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:

> I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go to?  
> Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
> primary tag.

	I don't like to associate tags to links (until such time we make a
big configuration system for it).. since you can have hundreds of tags,
and onyl 15 categories.. it becomes problematic.

> If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a different
> context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call someone, so
> the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually pickup an
> item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.
> 
> Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
> linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
> have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.

	So it starts growing again ;)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [WOT]

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:

> I tend to wander into these very deep, odd thought patterns.  What I'm
> thinking is that I already place less values on my todos because they
> are in digital form, much easier to delete, move forward, edit,
> whatever, than when I was writing them on paper.  It's just a mental
> thing with me, and I hear alot of people have the same issue.

	I'm not sure if I'm on the same wavelength, but I find myself
placing more importance on something written on a scrap of paper in my
pocket thanm in the PDA. ie: I get where I'm going, take out my PDA and a
piece of paper is there. I'll read that piece of paper, since its
both new and probably has only 1 or 2 items scrawled on it. With the PDA
one often checks a couple of applications or lists.. a datebook, Shadow
list or two. So it takes the tinyiest effort to find a todo there. So
paper is super immediate stuff. I'm in the car, driving.. I don't want to
grafitti (driving hazard), and using voice recorder.. well, I'll forget
I'v got voicemail there, and just have to listen to it later. So I grab a
receipt from getting gas and scribble a note on the back of it. When I get
where I'm going, I do whats on the note. *shrug* :)

> they are digital, I may place even less value if they pop onto my todo
> list magically.  At least for now I have to look at my list and say
> yes (check), I am going to do this today...with the new feature I
> wouldn't have to do that and I fear I might even further disconnect
> from my todos...was just curious if others felt the same way.

	Interesting. Sort of like your brain prioritizies automatic things
less than something you've prioritized yourself. That makes some sense.

> As I said...I wander...

	*g*

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Earthlink wrote:

> for the lists where i use "completion activates next task", i would
> tag it initially in Shadow if i wanted, but would not bother to
> categorize it in Shadow (time wasted).  then when the auto link next
> to do occurred, i would make it a habit of daily checking my to do

	Something else to think about; what if you started depending on
Shadow linking the next unlinked item to the ToDo? ie: You check off
anitem inyor todo list, go away, and come back.. no new todos? Go about
your day. But you forget you need to visit Shadow and the specific lists
we're talking about, for the effect to happen. (If you never run Shadow,
how is it to know when somethinghas changed?)

	(and no, I don't think I want to writer a timer utility that fires
off every night at midnight to make Shadow go through your lists. But I
thought about it :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Earthlink wrote:

> speaking of scrollbar, the text below sent me checking again on
> something i had noticed for a while, but had been too lazy to check in
> detail and mention...sorry!  here's what i notice.  i have a list that
> is many pages in length, and when i tap on the scrollbar (inside the
> two end arrows) to jump down a page, it almost always will jump two
> pages.  i thought this was intentional, but then played with it just
> now and realize it is WAY too sensitive.  i have to tap super fast on
> and off to get only one page down.  if i merely push the line and lift
> up, nothing slow at all, almost always jumps two pages.  seems this is
> not the way it is supposed to be.  anyone else notice the same?
> Tungsten here.

	I'll bet it happens on the Tungsten T and the Sony NX. The new
OSes are so fast that a slight tap will tell the apps to do lots of
things. (ie: Shadow Plan 2.6 on OS5 will "blink" a lot, because the OS is
so fast its detecting "drags" instead of "taps" when you just barely tap
the screen. I had to de-sensitize our event handling because the OS is too
sensitive). I don't think I wish to mess with the OS behaviour for its own
widgets though.. the OS takes care of scrollers. Messing with it would
mean everything would break when they get a fix out....

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Anthony Milonas  <tonyelit@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 2:51pm
Subject: Fw: Sync Problem with Desktop

 
Hi 
I get the following message in a number of files during sync
my Initial settings are 
# Log started 1041957477
# Conduit Build 2.0.0 Oct 22 2002 08:46:34
# Syncronization strategy: 0 (eFast)
#   Fast permanent strategy used: 1 (sync)
# Lifespan: Permanent synch setting
#   Collision method: 4 (Keep/Duplicate)
# SyncMgr API version: 2.3
# Hotsync ID: IMF
# Store user directory for later conveniance..
#   Win32 UserDir registry entry found and opened.
#     Stored to windows registry.
# ShadowSync version: 1.0.0 regcode: ????FdZP
# Registration: D:\Palm\IMF\ShadowPlan160\ShadowPlan.reg
#   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
#     Stored to windows registry.
# Registered. Thanks for supporting CodeJedi!
# ShadowSync version on Handheld is OK
# Character encoding: CP1252
#
) 
For a file called  computaxProgramInfo the message is 
# [39] ShadP-computaxProgramInfo: Synchronize (Config: Fast Keep/Duplicate)
#   Strategy: Synchronize
#   Fetching details from handheld
#   Found 20 records.
#   Reading undeleted records.
#   Found 0 deleted records.
#   Finished reading records.
#   Fetching details from desktop
#     Synchronize file: 'ShadP-computaxProgramInfo'
#       libsync version: 0.6.2 built: Oct 22 2002
!     File unique: DT(1038823332) HH(1040216217l)
!     Collision; it is likely you deleted a file and
  then created another one with the same name.
!     Your setting doesn't help in this situation; assuming!
HH over DT to resolve. Clobbering!
# No changes were made. Natch.
# Done.
This is most probably due to a total restore of my handheld (m505) which i figure changed an id of my HH file
A solution a tried (and worked) was to delete the file on my handheld and use the XML to send if to my HH
Is this the solution i am suposed to use when i restore a HH from backup 

Thanks 

Anthony




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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 2:55pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Sync Problem with Desktop

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Anthony Milonas wrote:

> I get the following message in a number of files during sync
> my Initial settings are 

> #     Synchronize file: 'ShadP-computaxProgramInfo'
> #       libsync version: 0.6.2 built: Oct 22 2002
> !     File unique: DT(1038823332) HH(1040216217l)
> !     Collision; it is likely you deleted a file and
>   then created another one with the same name.
> !     Your setting doesn't help in this situation; assuming!
> HH over DT to resolve. Clobbering!
> # No changes were made. Natch.
> # Done.

	This is normal and should resolve itself okay. It appears it wants
to clobber the desktop file, but the handheld file doesn't have any
chances, so it doesn't worry about it.

> This is most probably due to a total restore of my handheld (m505)
> which i figure changed an id of my HH file A solution a tried (and
> worked) was to delete the file on my handheld and use the XML to send
> if to my HH Is this the solution i am suposed to use when i restore a
> HH from backup

	It should magicly restore on its own; the above occurs after the
restore.. the files are on your handheld and your desktop. It might be
getting confused about something.. if its refusing to sync out of
confusion, then you can do the old kicmkstart.. remove the desktops XML
files (move them somewhere else for safe keeping) and it'll be fine
thereafter. But recovering from a reset shoudl be covered, though it is
less tested than other parts of the conduit (since peopel reset less often
during testing ;)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:16pm
Subject: OT: Aportis Brainforest reacquired

 
Slightly off topic:

Apparently Aportis, the maker of the Palm outliner Brainforst, has gone out
of business and it's BrainForest product family has been acquired by
Ultrasoft. http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/

They will be launching a re-branded and enhanced version of the software
soon. http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/update.shtml

Most of these updates seem to get it up to speed where Shadow was 1.5 years
ago. I started out with Brainforest and one thing I did always like was its
Timeline viewer (Gantt chart) for showing time duration bars of items in a
list. 

Jeff, would this type of feature ever by in Shadow's future?

j.
8659

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Scrollbar sensitivity

 
but it was mentioned as occurring on the Palm M515 too, a slower machine.  i also notice in Agendus, it does not occur on their scrollbar on my Tungsten.  seems to be Shadow related, not OS related.  right?
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Minor oddities in Shadow


  On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Earthlink wrote:

  > speaking of scrollbar, the text below sent me checking again on
  > something i had noticed for a while, but had been too lazy to check in
  > detail and mention...sorry!  here's what i notice.  i have a list that
  > is many pages in length, and when i tap on the scrollbar (inside the
  > two end arrows) to jump down a page, it almost always will jump two
  > pages.  i thought this was intentional, but then played with it just
  > now and realize it is WAY too sensitive.  i have to tap super fast on
  > and off to get only one page down.  if i merely push the line and lift
  > up, nothing slow at all, almost always jumps two pages.  seems this is
  > not the way it is supposed to be.  anyone else notice the same?
  > Tungsten here.

        I'll bet it happens on the Tungsten T and the Sony NX. The new
  OSes are so fast that a slight tap will tell the apps to do lots of
  things. (ie: Shadow Plan 2.6 on OS5 will "blink" a lot, because the OS is
  so fast its detecting "drags" instead of "taps" when you just barely tap
  the screen. I had to de-sensitize our event handling because the OS is too
  sensitive). I don't think I wish to mess with the OS behaviour for its own
  widgets though.. the OS takes care of scrollers. Messing with it would
  mean everything would break when they get a fix out....

              jeff

  --
  "Have you played Atari today?"


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 4:24pm
Subject: Re: OT: Aportis Brainforest reacquired

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, ::.jay.west wrote:

> Apparently Aportis, the maker of the Palm outliner Brainforst, has gone out
> of business and it's BrainForest product family has been acquired by
> Ultrasoft. http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/
> 
> They will be launching a re-branded and enhanced version of the software
> soon. http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/update.shtml
> 
> Most of these updates seem to get it up to speed where Shadow was 1.5 years
> ago. I started out with Brainforest and one thing I did always like was its
> Timeline viewer (Gantt chart) for showing time duration bars of items in a
> list. 
> 
> Jeff, would this type of feature ever by in Shadow's future?

	Interesting. Yes, gantt views aer in the pipe down the road.

	I'll go read the articles :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 4:29pm
Subject: Re: OT: Aportis Brainforest reacquired

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, ::.jay.west wrote:

> Apparently Aportis, the maker of the Palm outliner Brainforst, has gone out
> of business and it's BrainForest product family has been acquired by
> Ultrasoft. http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/

"BrainForest is the premier action item, checklist manager, idea keeper,
and project planner for Palm OS? handheld users"

	uuuu.. really now?

	Tsk tsk to your marketers who've obviously not been paying
attention.. ever :)

> They will be launching a re-branded and enhanced version of the software
> soon. http://www.ultrasoft.com/BrainForest/update.shtml
> 
> Most of these updates seem to get it up to speed where Shadow was 1.5 years

	Yep; looks like the updates are to catch up to the minimum
required to call yourself a modern Palm app.. but nothing ambitious. But
we'll see. BF was cool years and years ago, so maybe they can get some of
their old glory back.. but these guys probably should rename it, since
the name "BrainForest" is very tarnished by Aportis..

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8662

From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 4:40pm
Subject: Re: [Shadow-test] Shadow Reporter?

 
Jeff, I would buy whatever you are selling!

This sounds like a great idea. I would certainly buy this. Perhaps this is
where that gantt chart idea would fit in? To get a general sense of the
landscape of your todos etc.

I might suggest looking at an app called TimeMate (I bought this for doing
timesheets) it seems to do this optional plugin type thing very seamlessly.
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=8677 does several
different handy reports across multiple data tables etc.

j.




> From: Jeff Mitchell <skeezix@s...>
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:23:15 -0500 (EST)
> To: shadow-test@j...
> Subject: [Shadow-test] Shadow Reporter?
> 
> 
> I forget..
> 
> Did you like the idea of having a separate tool (maybe $5US?) that
> would do things like summarize all items in all lists by Tag (with a
> little +- widget to expand and see the shadow items under each tag)? Also
> do reports by date (all shadow items on that date, and also items from
> datebook and todo on that date, all together in one listnig). I've been
> debating a little tool to do this as a plugin.. for those who need
> it. Perhaps make it run the reports automatically in the middle of the
> night if theyr'e slow to run, so you cou just hit the reporter and see all
> the details. Hmmm...
> 
> jeff
> 
> --
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> 
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From: imjb3 imjb@h...  <imjb@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Feature request: Filters using specific dates

 
Implementing this in v2.8 would be great!
I will be happy to remind you in a couple of weeks.

Once again - thank you for being open to input and for creating an 
excellent product!

-John Basinger-

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, imjb3 <imjb@h...> wrote:
> 
> > I have been monitoring the discussion forum for the past month or 
so 
> > and have found the discussions (generally) to be very useful.
> > 
> > I would like to re-present for consideration a request to modify 
the 
> > filter manager so a specific date can be entered when creating a 
> > filter for the Target Date, Start Date, or Finish Date fields.
> > 
> > I would like to:
> > 1) filter items with target dates <, = , or > than a specific date
> > 2) filter items with target dates between two dates (e.g. a 
filter 
> > with two rules: target date >= 12/01/2002 AND target date <= 
01/31/03)
> 
> 	Perhaps something we can do in 2.8?
> 
> 	Can you remind me again in a week or two? (I know, here I am,
> maker of task management software asking people to remind me. 
Ironic?
> Really, its a defense mechanism.. if you care enough about a 
feature,
> you'll bug me again. It tends to get rid of ideas someone doesn't 
care
> passionately about. Also, I'm very stretched on time right now, so 
I'm
> playing cat and mouse ;)
> 
> 	I would like to do something along these lines.
> 
> 		jef
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I submitted this request in this discussion forum on 2002-11-21 
and 
> > Jeff's reply on 2002-11-22 was as follows:
> > 
> > > I never figured filtering for specific date was useful.. ie: The
> > > filter would be used for one day and not likely later, and I 
want
> > > the filtering system to be useful for general re-usable filters.
> > > When I add > more date filtration stuff, I'd like to support a 
more
> > > general date system than "this date" or "that date" which isn't 
all
> > > that useful very often.
> > > Adding "from here to there" is a fair amount of work, and the 
other
> > > sorts of date things are work too. So I expect to add some more 
> > > date stuff, but it'll likely be a little while due to 
complexity.
> > 
> > I appreciate the desire to create generally re-useable filters 
but I 
> > would like to reconsider the assumption that creating filters 
using 
> > specific dates would not be generally re-useable. I would like to 
set 
> > up the rules using project milestone dates and they would be 
> > reuseable for the duration of the project.
> > 
> > I have been able to use tags that duplicate the date information 
to 
> > accomplish what I need but this means I have to maintain the 
> > information in two places.
> > 
> > I considered reordering my lists by date so that all of the 
> > activities within a project milestone are grouped together but 
then I 
> > would have to set up tags so I could see things associated with 
> > specific 'deliverables'.
> > 
> > Would the requested changes be difficult to implement? If not, 
could 
> > this functionality be made available until a more complicated 
> > solution is developed?
> > 
> > Is there another way to accomplish what I am trying to do that I 
am 
> > unaware of?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > -John Basinger-
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> >  
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 5:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Shadow-test] Shadow Reporter?

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, ::.jay.west wrote:

> Jeff, I would buy whatever you are selling!

	Be careful what you speak ;)

	(and btw, try and keep shadow-test posts in shadow-test)

> This sounds like a great idea. I would certainly buy this. Perhaps this is
> where that gantt chart idea would fit in? To get a general sense of the
> landscape of your todos etc.

	yeah; I've been debating the ideas of "Shadow Reporter" and
"Shadow Projector".. both side plugins since they do things a lot of
people dont' want, and explode into lots of work that doesn't directly fit
into Shadow. The Reporter idea would be..

	1) Manual or scheduled report runs
	2) A report is one of a built in report, or a selected Custom
Filter
	3) When a report is generated, its data is written to a file so
yuo can recall it later or many times through-out the day; this way a
reoprt is generated once, and not each time you want to see it. Since
could be generated at ight it coudl be very handy and speedy

	Built in reports would be things like: 1)Tag Report, 2) Date
Report.. 3) whatever else.

	Tag Report would just be a +/- widget (like Shadows list
view) that has at the top level each tag category, then within each tag,
and then within the tags would be all Shadow items with that tag and
showing which tags they have.

	A date report would let you pick a date, and then show you all
todo and datebook and Shadow items for that date (say).

	I've not thought a tonne about it, but I'm thinking it could be a
cool side. I'd liek to see whats going on all in one place, and I'd liek
to see everythign that depends on one person by tag (or by Address.. an
address-link report, say).

	As to Shadow Project.. gantt views, and some mroe date fields
attached to items, and such. *Shrug*.

	All up in the air.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:45pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
Of course, it's always growing, like a teenager ;-)

I like Kevin's idea of having a category associated with the item 
that is the same as the category the todo will be linked to.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:
> 
> > I came up with one more thing...what category does the link go 
to?  
> > Would be nice if it'd go to a category with the same name as the 
> > primary tag.
> 
> 	I don't like to associate tags to links (until such time we 
make a
> big configuration system for it).. since you can have hundreds of 
tags,
> and onyl 15 categories.. it becomes problematic.
> 
> > If I have a project I may have multiple tasks, each with a 
different
> > context.  Let's say the first thing I need to do is call 
someone, so
> > the todo would be in @Phone, the second may be to actually 
pickup an
> > item so todo would be @Car, or @Errands.
> > 
> > Seems to me for the GTD folks autolinking would hurt if it only 
> > linked to the lists default todo category preference.  One would 
> > have to then go into the todolist and recategorize everything.
> 
> 	So it starts growing again ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 8:57pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
Very similar to what I'm talking about here...though I'd tend to 
believe anyone with a post it would take care of the post it first, 
but it's the same concept.  Do you, or any of you feel you were more 
productive when you used a paper planner than now when you're using 
digital?

So the whole conversation got me to thinking, why are we linking to 
todos anyway (especially us GTD folk).  Seems Shadow has everything 
built in to filter and create views just like I want them.

The two reasons *I* link to todos (Datebk5) are:
1.  I can create views within Datebk5 for context.  So let's say I 
am at my house.  I have items for @Phone, @Computer, @Anywhere, and 
of course @Home displayed.

2.  I'm stuck on seeing my appointments with my todos.  All time 
management systems seem to have the view be appointments and todos.

OK, so #1 is probably moot, I'd think I can do this filtering within 
Shadow.

#2 is interesting...nowhere in GTD do I see it say you should see 
your tasks with your appointments.  In fact, David never suggests 
you link the two.  In my readings he suggests different folders for 
your tasks, and a datebook.  Am I reading wrong?  Would seem as long 
as we have trustworthy alarms for the "must do today" items, we 
wouldn't need to view the datebook often...but it becomes a trust 
thing, doesn't it?

Maybe it's time to retire Datebk5....

Maybe it's time to start my own forum site for all these ramblings 
<LOL>.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	I'm not sure if I'm on the same wavelength, but I find myself
> placing more importance on something written on a scrap of paper 
>in my
> pocket thanm in the PDA. ie: I get where I'm going, take out my 
>PDA and a
> piece of paper is there. I'll read that piece of paper, since its
> both new and probably has only 1 or 2 items scrawled on it. With 
>the PDA
> one often checks a couple of applications or lists.. a datebook, 
>Shadow
> list or two. So it takes the tinyiest effort to find a todo there. 
>So
> paper is super immediate stuff. I'm in the car, driving.. I don't 
>want to
> grafitti (driving hazard), and using voice recorder.. well, I'll 
>forget
> I'v got voicemail there, and just have to listen to it later. So 
>I .grab a
> receipt from getting gas and scribble a note on the back of it. 
>When I get
> where I'm going, I do whats on the note. *shrug* :)
>
8667

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
I really like "MyWeek" for displaying "hard" and "soft" landscape. Dated
todos show up on the target date, and all undated todos are on a separate
list where I can cycle through my contexts. The reason I still link my
Shadow tasks out to todo is two-fold:

1) MyWeek gives me a nice week-at-a-glance look at my hard landscape
2) much easier to create regenerating and recurring tasks and appointments
in datebook and ToDo+.

If Shadow had a good way of doing these, I'd delete datebook and todo from
ROM and move Shadow in in their place. Until that happens I'm pretty
comfortable with this system. Don't have hardly anything that falls through
the cracks.

As far as activating next actions, I make it a habit to use ShadowLink Hack
to send me back to the task in Shadow. Then I can check it off and make
sure I link the right next action. I think this works better than the
"automagic" being discussed, because in keeping with GTD, I don't try to
capture all next actions at the beginning of the project. I may have to
jump around in the listed tasks, or create the NA on the fly. While this is
an enticing idea, I think I would try to resist using it. Just my .02.

Scott
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 9:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:

> Very similar to what I'm talking about here...though I'd tend to
> believe anyone with a post it would take care of the post it first,
> but it's the same concept.  Do you, or any of you feel you were more
> productive when you used a paper planner than now when you're using
> digital?

	No way; the PDA has made many things more efficient (in terms of
time and space). No more needing a 50 pound box of dictionairies.. you can
carry 5 language sin your pocket. Reference materials? Same thing. The PDA
as a calendar, map tool, address book, etc, is without a doubt superior.
Searching an electronic addressbook is always faster than going to paper,
if you have a large number of contacts.. which everyone does if theyr'e
serious abuot entering them :) Of coruse, a PDA has its place.. it is not
meant for doing AutoCAD on. What places a PDA can take in your life
depends on the person though.

	I'd bet paper is better for writing, but not for reading
(retrieval really).

	Buuuut we're the broken ones. Reaching for a PDA takes some
work.. but reaching for a postit stuck to your PDA takes no work :)

	So some things are best on paper. Not many, and only a few of
them. Like my notes scribbled on the back of a scrap in the car.. thats
handy. But that scrap is onyl good for the time it takes to get to where
I'm out of the car and able to act on it, or write it into the PDA :)

	(If I could do voice recognition straight to Shadow.. I'd do
it. Yum ;)

> So the whole conversation got me to thinking, why are we linking to 
> todos anyway (especially us GTD folk).  Seems Shadow has everything 
> built in to filter and create views just like I want them.

	I've been thinking along these lines awhile (I guess thats one of
my jobs :). A lot of people continue to use ToDo because its always been
there, and is a constant.. it'll always be aruond in some form of another.
You can depend on it in the same way you can depend on there being
automobiles. It just "feels" dependable, even though its really no more
dependable than anything else.

	And Palm ToDo is good and simple. If the OS had better linking
support (so say any app could know about Shadow items, without actually
knowing how to use Shadow API, for instance), it could be better. Imaine
seeing all Shadow items in ToDo. The Newton could do that sort of
thing.. ah well :)

	But is there anything abuot Shadow that it doesn't do as well as
ToDo, besides simplicity? Does Shadow do *everything* we need for a ToDo
application? I think it does. I've worked hard to make it so, anyway :)

	Is there anything I can add to turn someone from a ToDo app to
Shadow 100%?

	The only reason I use ToDo is because I have a "today page" in AN
and DB5. If I make a better today type page for Shadow.. I won't need them
at all. I'd be 100% Shadow. (I'm 99% now.. I barely use anythign but
Shadow :) We need to see all pending tasks from all Shadow lists. Thats
why I'm looking into a tool to let you have limited visibility to data
from all Shadow lists. The last key.

> your tasks, and a datebook.  Am I reading wrong?  Would seem as long 
> as we have trustworthy alarms for the "must do today" items, we 
> wouldn't need to view the datebook often...but it becomes a trust 
> thing, doesn't it?

	Thats an interesting point; I always assumed I like to see tasks
and calendar together. But need they be? Hmm. Interesting. If you make a
hard line and say No, then its probably pretty easy.. link to a datebook
for calendric events, but keep all your tasks in Shadow. Period. No
getting blurry. Its easy to get a bit blurry and blow your system away..
but if you're tough? I bet that'd work.

	I will try it. Once a flash tool comes out for OS5 (soon I hear),
I'll wipe ToDo from my unit :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
Jeff, if you had that ability in Shadow for the today view, and could specify a day, or week too, that would be perfect and eliminate the need for the to do application for me.  Right now my only purpose is so i can see the today to do items from all my lists, not just the one i am in at the moment.

As for the calendar program, i like just seeing my appointments, and then separately going to my to do list when i want to see it, even if within the calendar program.  I have found that both in front of my eyes is more stressful, for i see that to do list when looking at my calendar even when i'm not in the mode to work on to do items.

But yes, that day and week view of items from all lists would be the key for me too!

Thanks,
Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]


  On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:

  > Very similar to what I'm talking about here...though I'd tend to
  > believe anyone with a post it would take care of the post it first,
  > but it's the same concept.  Do you, or any of you feel you were more
  > productive when you used a paper planner than now when you're using
  > digital?

        No way; the PDA has made many things more efficient (in terms of
  time and space). No more needing a 50 pound box of dictionairies.. you can
  carry 5 language sin your pocket. Reference materials? Same thing. The PDA
  as a calendar, map tool, address book, etc, is without a doubt superior.
  Searching an electronic addressbook is always faster than going to paper,
  if you have a large number of contacts.. which everyone does if theyr'e
  serious abuot entering them :) Of coruse, a PDA has its place.. it is not
  meant for doing AutoCAD on. What places a PDA can take in your life
  depends on the person though.

        I'd bet paper is better for writing, but not for reading
  (retrieval really).

        Buuuut we're the broken ones. Reaching for a PDA takes some
  work.. but reaching for a postit stuck to your PDA takes no work :)

        So some things are best on paper. Not many, and only a few of
  them. Like my notes scribbled on the back of a scrap in the car.. thats
  handy. But that scrap is onyl good for the time it takes to get to where
  I'm out of the car and able to act on it, or write it into the PDA :)

        (If I could do voice recognition straight to Shadow.. I'd do
  it. Yum ;)

  > So the whole conversation got me to thinking, why are we linking to 
  > todos anyway (especially us GTD folk).  Seems Shadow has everything 
  > built in to filter and create views just like I want them.

        I've been thinking along these lines awhile (I guess thats one of
  my jobs :). A lot of people continue to use ToDo because its always been
  there, and is a constant.. it'll always be aruond in some form of another.
  You can depend on it in the same way you can depend on there being
  automobiles. It just "feels" dependable, even though its really no more
  dependable than anything else.

        And Palm ToDo is good and simple. If the OS had better linking
  support (so say any app could know about Shadow items, without actually
  knowing how to use Shadow API, for instance), it could be better. Imaine
  seeing all Shadow items in ToDo. The Newton could do that sort of
  thing.. ah well :)

        But is there anything abuot Shadow that it doesn't do as well as
  ToDo, besides simplicity? Does Shadow do *everything* we need for a ToDo
  application? I think it does. I've worked hard to make it so, anyway :)

        Is there anything I can add to turn someone from a ToDo app to
  Shadow 100%?

        The only reason I use ToDo is because I have a "today page" in AN
  and DB5. If I make a better today type page for Shadow.. I won't need them
  at all. I'd be 100% Shadow. (I'm 99% now.. I barely use anythign but
  Shadow :) We need to see all pending tasks from all Shadow lists. Thats
  why I'm looking into a tool to let you have limited visibility to data
  from all Shadow lists. The last key.

  > your tasks, and a datebook.  Am I reading wrong?  Would seem as long 
  > as we have trustworthy alarms for the "must do today" items, we 
  > wouldn't need to view the datebook often...but it becomes a trust 
  > thing, doesn't it?

        Thats an interesting point; I always assumed I like to see tasks
  and calendar together. But need they be? Hmm. Interesting. If you make a
  hard line and say No, then its probably pretty easy.. link to a datebook
  for calendric events, but keep all your tasks in Shadow. Period. No
  getting blurry. Its easy to get a bit blurry and blow your system away..
  but if you're tough? I bet that'd work.

        I will try it. Once a flash tool comes out for OS5 (soon I hear),
  I'll wipe ToDo from my unit :)

              jeff



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From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
Oops, after reading through some more responses I gues my need for todo+ is
actually 4-fold:
1. week-at-a-glance
2. regenerating and recurring
3. flat view of tasks from all lists
4. alarms on tasks and apptmnts

But that's all I need...oh and that lamp, but that's all I need.... and
that chair, I really need that chair. So 1,2,3,4, that lamp, and the chair,
but that's it.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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I really like "MyWeek" for displaying "hard" and "soft" landscape. Dated
todos show up on the target date, and all undated todos are on a separate
list where I can cycle through my contexts. The reason I still link my
Shadow tasks out to todo is two-fold:

1) MyWeek gives me a nice week-at-a-glance look at my hard landscape
2) much easier to create regenerating and recurring tasks and appointments
in datebook and ToDo+.

If Shadow had a good way of doing these, I'd delete datebook and todo from
ROM and move Shadow in in their place. Until that happens I'm pretty
comfortable with this system. Don't have hardly anything that falls through
the cracks.

As far as activating next actions, I make it a habit to use ShadowLink Hack
to send me back to the task in Shadow. Then I can check it off and make
sure I link the right next action. I think this works better than the
"automagic" being discussed, because in keeping with GTD, I don't try to
capture all next actions at the beginning of the project. I may have to
jump around in the listed tasks, or create the NA on the fly. While this is
an enticing idea, I think I would try to resist using it. Just my .02.

Scott


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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:11pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> Oops, after reading through some more responses I gues my need for 
todo+ is
> actually 4-fold:
> 1. week-at-a-glance
> 2. regenerating and recurring
> 3. flat view of tasks from all lists
> 4. alarms on tasks and apptmnts
> 
> But that's all I need...oh and that lamp, but that's all I 
need.... and
> that chair, I really need that chair. So 1,2,3,4, that lamp, and 
the chair,
> but that's it.
> 
> Scott
>
>                                                                    
  
What about the TV remote?

                                            
>                     
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>                     01/08/2003           Subject:     Re: [shadow-
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I really like "MyWeek" for displaying "hard" and "soft" landscape. 
Dated
> todos show up on the target date, and all undated todos are on a 
separate
> list where I can cycle through my contexts. The reason I still 
link my
> Shadow tasks out to todo is two-fold:
> 
> 1) MyWeek gives me a nice week-at-a-glance look at my hard 
landscape
> 2) much easier to create regenerating and recurring tasks and 
appointments
> in datebook and ToDo+.
> 
> If Shadow had a good way of doing these, I'd delete datebook and 
todo from
> ROM and move Shadow in in their place. Until that happens I'm 
pretty
> comfortable with this system. Don't have hardly anything that 
falls through
> the cracks.
> 
> As far as activating next actions, I make it a habit to use 
ShadowLink Hack
> to send me back to the task in Shadow. Then I can check it off and 
make
> sure I link the right next action. I think this works better than 
the
> "automagic" being discussed, because in keeping with GTD, I don't 
try to
> capture all next actions at the beginning of the project. I may 
have to
> jump around in the listed tasks, or create the NA on the fly. 
While this is
> an enticing idea, I think I would try to resist using it. Just 
my .02.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
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8672

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:13pm
Subject: Feature? Viewing more on one line

 
I don't know if this is a "feature" or not, but it's something that's 
really been bugging me:  I have some lists with very long words in them. 
When I "supress word wrap" on the list, what I usually get is the first 
word and then a ... to show that there's more I can't see. It sure would 
be nice if it would show more of the text. For example, one of my lists 
has entries like this:

Adams, Ecofeminism & the Sacred
Cobb, Sustaining the Common Good
Baker, Sisters of Dust

etc., but all I see is the last name of the author and none of the next 
work, even when I zoom to that level. I would like to see more of the 
words, even if they are cut off, so that instead of

Adams,...

I would get

Adams, Ecofem...

Make sense?  Those few extra letters would be enough to tell me what the 
rest of the entry is, with less digging into the details, or getting 
only two children on the screen because the book titles are so long.

BTW the discussion on Shadow solo, without any to do linking, is 
fascinating. I'm not sure I could ever do that, but maybe Jeff can add 
that missing link of viewing the due tasks in all lists and I could do it.

-- 

Jen

http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
8673

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:26pm
Subject: Re: Feature? Viewing more on one line

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:

> I don't know if this is a "feature" or not, but it's something that's 
> really been bugging me:  I have some lists with very long words in them. 
> When I "supress word wrap" on the list, what I usually get is the first 
> word and then a ... to show that there's more I can't see. It sure would 
> be nice if it would show more of the text. For example, one of my lists 
> has entries like this:
> 
> Adams, Ecofeminism & the Sacred
> Cobb, Sustaining the Common Good
> Baker, Sisters of Dust

	Large font?

	Even using low res with the system large font, I get "Adams
Ecofeminism" on the first line. In the normal font, you'd get more.

> etc., but all I see is the last name of the author and none of the
> next work, even when I zoom to that level. I would like to see more of
> the words, even if they are cut off, so that instead of
> 
> Adams,...
> I would get
> Adams, Ecofem...


	This would be most useful for Germans I think, who have lots of
long words.

> Make sense?  Those few extra letters would be enough to tell me what
> the rest of the entry is, with less digging into the details, or
> getting only two children on the screen because the book titles are so
> long.

	I've thought about it, but not sure where to draw the
line. Wordwrap on whole words handy, and I don't think I want to have 2
types of wordwrap. I suppose I could have a global pref to define your
wordwrap type:

	[] Wordwrap truncates words instead of wrap

	That wouldnt' be so bad. But certainly no list pref to define type
of word wrap. And I'd rather have no pref at all, but satisfy everyone..

	Perhaps a rule.. if the word wrapped result is less than half the
whole, truncate at 3/4 and show ...?

> BTW the discussion on Shadow solo, without any to do linking, is
> fascinating. I'm not sure I could ever do that, but maybe Jeff can add
> that missing link of viewing the due tasks in all lists and I could do
> it.

	Yeah. Lets just see how far we can go :)

	We need some hardcore folks to just wipe ToDo from ROM (I'll do it
when I get a tool to do that), and then write down whats annoying :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8674

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:30pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	I'd bet paper is better for writing, but not for reading
> (retrieval really).
> 
> 	Buuuut we're the broken ones. Reaching for a PDA takes some
> work.. but reaching for a postit stuck to your PDA takes no work :)
> 
> 	So some things are best on paper. Not many, and only a few of
> them. Like my notes scribbled on the back of a scrap in the car.. 
> thats
> handy. But that scrap is onyl good for the time it takes to get to 
> where
> I'm out of the car and able to act on it, or write it into the 
>PDA :
> 

I might agree that we are the broken ones...but obviously something 
has made us "respect" the task on the piece of paper moreso than the 
one in the Clie, or TT.  

 
> 	But is there anything abuot Shadow that it doesn't do as 
>well as
> ToDo, besides simplicity? Does Shadow do *everything* we need for 
>a ToDo
> application? I think it does. I've worked hard to make it so, 
>anyway :)
> 
> 	Is there anything I can add to turn someone from a ToDo app 
> to Shadow 100%?
> 
> 	The only reason I use ToDo is because I have a "today page" 
> in AN
> and DB5. If I make a better today type page for Shadow.. I won't 
>need them
> at all. I'd be 100% Shadow. (I'm 99% now.. I barely use anythign 
>but
> Shadow :) We need to see all pending tasks from all Shadow lists. 
>Thats
> why I'm looking into a tool to let you have limited visibility to 
>data
> from all Shadow lists. The last key.

Oh Jeff, you know how dangerous it is to get me thinking....seems to 
me we are spending too much time trying to support the Todo app or 
even the Datebook here.  We should refocus on how Shadow can 
replace, at least the todo app.

What we need is true copy-to-file linking, just like we have for 
ToDo, with link checkbox and everything! 

Imagine a world where you can go into a list, click a checkbox and 
the items flies over to another Shadow file with the exact same 
details as the original.  Ideally the list it flies to is defined 
within list prefs, but even just a global "Next Actions" file would 
work.

Instead of having Shadow try to sort through all of your lists for 
the next actions, we would simply do what we do now, only instead of 
putting the item in the todo database, we'd put it in another Shadow 
file.  That new Shadow file becomes our weekly overview, daily todo, 
flatview list, etc.  I'd spend most of my time in this new file, 
filtered by Tag for context, and I'd imagine others would to.  What 
else from the todo persepctive would we need?

Alarms and appointment views!  

How hard would it be to integrate an alarm mechanism within Shadow?  
I know of several apps that allow one to set alarms.  We already 
have the ability to link to the datebook database.  I would think it 
simple to have any alarmed event simply linked to the datebook 
database, only add code to specify an alarm.  That would take alarm 
processing right out of Shadow's hands and I'd think it'd be pretty 
quick to add that extra alarm info.

Would be great to have an appointment view, one that shows the time 
and date of an item linked to the datebook database.  We already 
link there, why not internalize the display of appointment info?  
This could, along with enhanced item->item linking, satisfy those 
(like me) who want to see all of their appointments and current 
todos at a glance. 

I think at least the first idea is very viable.  I believe it would 
be much quicker to use than having Shadow try to pull all current 
items from all lists into one big list AND it would still give us 
(me) connection with the todos we are activating.  I can see a case 
for auto-linking in this scenario too, and I'd think it'd be much 
easier to implement.

Also, since we are in Shadow, no more need for origin Stamps and 
tags stamps, everything stays in the same program!

> 
> 	Thats an interesting point; I always assumed I like to see 
tasks
> and calendar together. But need they be? Hmm. Interesting. If you 
make a
> hard line and say No, then its probably pretty easy.. link to a 
datebook
> for calendric events, but keep all your tasks in Shadow. Period. No
> getting blurry. Its easy to get a bit blurry and blow your system 
away..
> but if you're tough? I bet that'd work.
> 
> 	I will try it. Once a flash tool comes out for OS5 (soon I 
hear),
> I'll wipe ToDo from my unit :)
> 

I'll be interested to hear your results...I may do the same soon 
myself...got more thinking to do.
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:32pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
Are you a GTD'r?  I forget...I was wondering if you are, how you 
know what your tasks are for a week?  I know you can look at the 
hard landscape for the week, but the soft landscape is never define 
until the moment you are about to do something, so there should be 
no date info attached.

Just curious...

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> Jeff, if you had that ability in Shadow for the today view, and 
>could specify a day, or week too, that would be perfect and 
>eliminate the need for the to do application for me.  Right now my 
>only purpose is so i can see the today to do items from all my 
>lists, not just the one i am in at the moment.
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:

> I'll be interested to hear your results...I may do the same soon 
> myself...got more thinking to do.

	Good lord, someone stop this man!

	That was one serious revolutionairy email. We shall see :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:04pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
Oh and of course checking off the item in the linked list would 
check it off in the original.

I guess the real point is, why not make Shadow more powerful with 
itself rather than continuing to focus on improvements to the 
existing databases?  Would it be all that difficult to implement 
list to list linking/copying similar to the todo linking we have 
now?  I'd think it simpler since we stay within one program.

OK, I'll stop now, at least posting, but man my brain is going 1000 
miles an hour on this one ;-)


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Griff <keith@t...> wrote:
> 
> > I'll be interested to hear your results...I may do the same soon 
> > myself...got more thinking to do.
> 
> 	Good lord, someone stop this man!
> 
> 	That was one serious revolutionairy email. We shall see :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
I'm an almost GTD'r.  Was in that forum for a while, just recently got the paperback that i've started, but have been trying to do some of the main points i've read already.

The week thing depends on my list used.  For work, i'm an attorney, and thus my cases require more rigid timelines on my to do items.  If i must respond to a certain item by a certain date, i can see when it must be done some time this week if it has not yet been completed.  Other items are scheduled, and thus i have specific things to do the week or more prior to that event occurring, sometimes the closer to the event the better for remembering.  Then i try and see what deadline items are approaching next to fill in some open time here and there in my schedule.  It is constantly updated, weekly and at least every other day on the daily stuff.

Onward...as i procrastinate with all these emails, unlike what GTD suggests!

Enjoy,
Kevin


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Enjoy life!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:32 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]


  Are you a GTD'r?  I forget...I was wondering if you are, how you 
  know what your tasks are for a week?  I know you can look at the 
  hard landscape for the week, but the soft landscape is never define 
  until the moment you are about to do something, so there should be 
  no date info attached.

  Just curious...

  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> 
  wrote:
  > Jeff, if you had that ability in Shadow for the today view, and 
  >could specify a day, or week too, that would be perfect and 
  >eliminate the need for the to do application for me.  Right now my 
  >only purpose is so i can see the today to do items from all my 
  >lists, not just the one i am in at the moment.
  > 


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From: Curtis Clifton  <cclifton@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:33pm
Subject: ToDo Free for 4 months

 
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 04:30  PM, Jeff wrote:

> 	We need some hardcore folks to just wipe ToDo from ROM (I'll do it
> when I get a tool to do that), and then write down whats annoying :)
>

I've been using just Shadow for all my ToDo management since September. 
  To make this work I had to put all my ToDo items in one master list.  
That lets me use filters to get at all of today's tasks (this week's 
tasks, etc...).  My basic outline structure is:

Projects
-- MultiJava.org
-- Dissertation
-- Category Theory
Recurring
-- Daily
-- Weekly
-- Other
Misc

Individual tasks can show up under any of these.

Lack of support for recurring tasks was a problem, until I hit on two 
ideas.  First I added the recurring task items shown above.  Second I 
developed a custom view that does not show the checkbox but does show 
the target date.  I set all recurring tasks to use this custom view.  
Then instead of checking them off I just advance the target date.  The 
drawback is that there is no crossed-off item sitting there to make me 
feel good (or to include in reports).

It would be nice to set alarms on items though.

-- Curt
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From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
Griff  wrote:

>Oh and of course checking off the item in the linked list would 
>check it off in the original.
>
>I guess the real point is, why not make Shadow more powerful with 
>itself rather than continuing to focus on improvements to the 
>existing databases?  Would it be all that difficult to implement 
>list to list linking/copying similar to the todo linking we have 
>now?  I'd think it simpler since we stay within one program.
>
>OK, I'll stop now, at least posting, but man my brain is going 1000 
>miles an hour on this one ;-)
>
>  
>
This is absolutely brilliant! Sure does make sense-- why keep adding 
things to make Shadow play nice with how we use it with other apps! I've 
just done some tweaking to my system to start trying out some of your 
ideas. One thing I stumbled on recently made this much simpler. I had no 
idea I could tap on the link arrow and choose the to do category right 
there! Now I can use Shadow for all planning and only view things for 
the day in Agendus when I need to-- and that's only until I figure out 
all of this custom view/filter stuff. And I only need ONE master list 
now-- the only reason I split everything up was to do linking by 
category automatically, since I never did get that feature I wanted to 
make a top level item's children inherit to do category, tags, etc.

Can't wait to see what you have to say next!

-- 

Jen

http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
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From: quantum_sequoia sdwinter@p...  <sdwinter@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:05am
Subject: Re: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, quantum_sequoia <sdwinter@p...> wrote:

> > 1) Sorting by Tags - when I do a File/Sort/Primary - Primary Tag 
> > (either Ascending or Descending), the resulting list is grouped 
by 
> > Tag (as expected) but the Tags are not listed alphabetically. It 
> > seems as if the sort is sorting on the hidden, magic tag number 
> > rather than on the displayed tag. Is this intentional?
> 
> 	Yes; doing a sort by the resulting tag text would be very
> slow. Only the most recent tags are cached in memory (you dould have
> thousands of tags), so when sorting we can onyl sort by the tag-id 
and not
> the tag text. Theres more to it, but youv'e got the idea. I may 
look into
> it in the future, time permitting.

At least the sorting groups items by tag - that is probably all that 
is really needed in my case.

> 
> > 2) Scrolling and the Title Bar - If I start with a list that 
lacks a
> > title bar, then turn the title bar on, it pushes the displayed 
items
> > down a line to give itself room to exist at the top of the list. 
When
> > I subsequently scroll the list by tapping on the scroll bar, the 
list
> > moves up or down a screen at a time (as expected) but 
also "hides" a
> > line under the title bar. It is as if the full page scroll doesn't
> > know the title bar is there.
> 
> 	Hides? Or scrolls 2?

I believe it hides the item. In a list of single line items, turning 
on the title bar pushes all items down 1 line. Tapping on the scroll 
bar to move down a page results in the item that was _2_ lines below 
the bottom of the screen ending up right below the title bar. If I 
tap the scroll-up arrow once, the list moves down and the "hidden" 
item appears from below the title bar. (Maybe "scrolls 2" is another 
way of saying the same thing. Note that if I turn the title bar off 
after the full page scroll, the item below the title bar is moved to 
the top of the screen. The item just above it in the list, which, at 
the start of all this, was just below the bottom of the screen, now 
is just above the top of the screen. Have to tap the up arrow to see 
it. (This would be easier to explain if I could just draw a 
picture...)

> 
> > 3) Creation dates in the future - whilst looking at some items on 
a
> > list, I noticed that some of them have dates of 01/01/04. I 
haven't
> > noticed anything odd about these items and I can't remember if I
> > entered them manually or copied them from another list. Any ideas 
as
> > to how the creation date could be set into the future.? Note that 
the
> > date on my PDA is correct!
> 
> 	Been awhile, but I think these guys come from the desktop, 
which
> doesn't yet set the creation date correctly for the conduit.
> 

Interesting. It is possible I created them in the desktop but I'm not 
sure.

> > 4) Was having some experiences with second level item numbers 
coming
> > and going randomly but was unable to recreate it today when I 
went to
> > document the problem for this email.
> 
> 	The mini editor can sometimes forget to use autonumbers. 
Should be
> fixed soon. Sorry, you've managed to catch us with our pants down ;)
> 
I'm not sure that's it. Here is some additional information: List 
Preferences has Level 1 - no numbering, Level 2 - 1-2-3-4-5, Level 3 -
 a-b-c-d-e. Items have no numbering specified. All items are Level 1 
so I would not expect to see numbers. Sometimes, under conditions I 
haven't been able to reliably determine, I'll end up with numbers for 
some of the items (i.e. #'s 5, 14, 15, 28, 31, 32, 57, 75, 80, etc.) 
and nothing for any others. Looking at the item text in the Details 
screen doesn't show the numbers. They seem to persist across 
different views and with different filters. I _think_ I have seen 
them change (i.e. #34 might be there one time and then not the next 
time I access the list). Since Level 1 numbering is turned off, I 
wouldn't expect to see these at all. I'll keep poking at it.
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:05am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, PocketGoddess <jen@p...> 
wrote:

> This is absolutely brilliant! Sure does make sense-- why keep 
>adding 
> things to make Shadow play nice with how we use it with other 
>apps! I've 
> just done some tweaking to my system to start trying out some of 
>your 
> ideas. One thing I stumbled on recently made this much simpler. I 
>had no 
> idea I could tap on the link arrow and choose the to do category 
>right 
> there! Now I can use Shadow for all planning and only view things 
>for 
> the day in Agendus when I need to-- and that's only until I figure 
>out 
> all of this custom view/filter stuff. And I only need ONE master 
>list 
> now-- the only reason I split everything up was to do linking by 
> category automatically, since I never did get that feature I 
>wanted to 
> make a top level item's children inherit to do category, tags, etc.
> 

Glad you like the ideas...I was wondering why people used multiple 
lists.  I use them because I like the feel of a smaller list for 
each project...just something about screen real estate I suppose.  I 
may try going into a single list myself and then putting in custom 
filters...not sure how my mind will react to having everything in 
one list!

The link arrow category came out of some thread from last 
February...glad Jeff added it too, makes like alot simpler!

Another benefit this item-item linking scenario I am thinking of is 
ease of integration on the desktop.  Would seem alot simpler to 
support something like this rather than desktop linking to Palm 
Desktop or Outlook, or whatever. 

So really item-item links as I propose would allow people to still 
break their work into seperate lists, and then send actionable items 
to one list for review.  It wouldn't have much impact for those 
using a single list for everything, am I right here?

The other two ideas of an appointment view and alarms came from 
Jeff's asking what would make us throw away the ToDo database...I am 
sure he's wishing he hadn't asked that <LOL>.

> Can't wait to see what you have to say next!
 
Hehehehehe, I bet Jeff can ;-)
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:07am
Subject: Re: ToDo Free for 4 months

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Curtis Clifton 
<cclifton@a...> wrote:
> 
> I've been using just Shadow for all my ToDo management since 
>September. 
>   To make this work I had to put all my ToDo items in one master 
>list.  
> That lets me use filters to get at all of today's tasks (this 
>week's 
> tasks, etc...).  My basic outline structure is:


How has this worked speedwise?  I know one of the concerns of having 
one big list was that it would cause Shadow to slow as it loads and 
saves big lists.

Thanks for writing, I'm glad to hear of someone who's been working 
like this and working well with it.
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From: quantum_sequoia sdwinter@p...  <sdwinter@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:09am
Subject: Re: Minor oddities in Shadow

 
I, too, have noticed this. At first I thought it was a scrolling bug 
but ended up coming to the same conclusion as Kevin. Very quick taps 
are needed. I checked two other random apps with long scrolling lists 
(Handyshopper and ToDo Plus). They did not display the same behavior 
as Shadow. This is on a Visor Neo. It must be really fast on the 
newer PDAs!

Steve

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> speaking of scrollbar, the text below sent me checking again on 
something i had noticed for a while, but had been too lazy to check 
in detail and mention...sorry!  here's what i notice.  i have a list 
that is many pages in length, and when i tap on the scrollbar (inside 
the two end arrows) to jump down a page, it almost always will jump 
two pages.  i thought this was intentional, but then played with it 
just now and realize it is WAY too sensitive.  i have to tap super 
fast on and off to get only one page down.  if i merely push the line 
and lift up, nothing slow at all, almost always jumps two pages.  
seems this is not the way it is supposed to be.  anyone else notice 
the same? Tungsten here.
> Kevin
>
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From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:17am
Subject: [OT] How do you view the group?

 
Do you use the Yahoo Groups interface, or e-mail?  Reason I ask is I 
see so many people have these cleanly quoted replies that I just 
can't seem to get in the Groups interface.  Am I doing something 
wrong, or are you all just using e-mail to view and respond?
8686

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:23am
Subject: Re: [OT] How do you view the group?

 
email here, as prefer the cleaner look and i can respond at my leisure more easily!
Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Griff <keith@t...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:17 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] [OT] How do you view the group?


  Do you use the Yahoo Groups interface, or e-mail?  Reason I ask is I 
  see so many people have these cleanly quoted replies that I just 
  can't seem to get in the Groups interface.  Am I doing something 
  wrong, or are you all just using e-mail to view and respond?



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From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 0:53am
Subject: Re: Purging Linked To Dos?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	No; we don't know when you do things outside of Shadow. On
> entering Shadow, we do present the option of severing all links.. we
could add an operation to delete all items that are broken-linked,
instead of severing, I suppose.
>
 
That sounds good.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong (probably) but the linked ToDo isnt
deleted if I delete the item in SP.  I've tried just deleting it and
also checking it off and deleting all checked.  In either case the
ToDo database entry stays put (complete with Shadow link text).
Perhaps in a future release deleting an item should delete the linked
item (for ToDOs anyway) - I dont think it needs a new option - If
'always link new to Todo' is checked then deleting should IMO delete
the ToDo.
8688

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:17am
Subject: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?

 
Any comments?

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8689

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:49am
Subject: Re: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	Any comments?
> 
> 		jeff


Yes, the gadget option in themes is great!

Rita
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From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:59am
Subject: Re: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?

 
Hey Jeff,

It's MUCH quicker... opens and closes are still roughly the same
(perhaps a bit faster, can't tell) but inside the file most operations
are faster than i remember them.

Thanks!

-Tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Any comments?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 2:32am
Subject: Re: Re: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?

 
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> It's MUCH quicker... opens and closes are still roughly the same
> (perhaps a bit faster, can't tell) but inside the file most operations
> are faster than i remember them.

	It should be a bit faster in some ways (refreshing the screen). It
should be very spiffy on an OS5 unit (moreso than 2.6). Few have noticed,
so I'm glad you did ;)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 4:13am
Subject: Hard Reset

 
Ok ... I'm biting the bullet.  What is the proper way to do a hard 
reset on Clie T665?

Todd
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From: mladensk susan@a...  <susan@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 4:49am
Subject: Re: Tags vs categories

 
Thanks Jeff,  Actually that makes it pretty clear (don't know what 
that says about me LOL).  I think I get it and have been thinking 
about possibilities of using this today.  

I am left however with a philosophical question about how deep do I 
want to go with this stuff?  I am a tech addict so I can "invent" 
needs to justify my means.  I have to wonder if I *really* need to 
go this far.  I think for now I will leave it and stick to the 
basics and revisit the issue at another time.  I have taken that 
approach with DB5 and it has served me well.  
Thanks for the great program, BTW.  I am loving it more and more 
each day.  I sometimes wonder about you Jeff though.  I assume you 
have some other vocation besides this and are perhaps married as 
well.  How do you fit all this in? Do you ever sleep?

Susan 

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and 
categories?  
> > Other than the limitation of 15 on categories.  Also, insight 
into how
> > tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook?  Just trying to get 
my head
> > around this.
> 
> 	A category is like a specific version (more limited) of a 
tag; a
> tag can be a category, but a category cannot be a tag. (OKay, that 
didn't
> help, I know, but I'm tired ;)
> 
> 	Teh basic properties can help.. you can have mroe than 15
> tags. You can also have multiple tags per item, and yuo can 
categorixe the
> tags. Tags are across all lists.
> 
> 	OKay, so that means you could create a cateogry of tags 
called
> "status", and the tags in that category could 
be "immediate", "pending",
> "on-hold", "tossed", etc. You could create another tag category 
called
> "location" and populate it with "home", "work', "franks", "on-
road", etc.
> 
> 	So then you can use tags like categories... task "A" is
> "Important" and "At Franks", say.
> 
> 	You can create a custom filter to pick up items with those 
two
> tags as well as other features in the filter.
> 
> 	So tags can be used as categories, or as attributes or
> dependancies. You depend on a piece of equipment? Your'e waiting on
> something from someone? Is that a category? Not really.. in your 
mind, you
> might categorize by job or by lcoation.. but here you can 
categorize as
> yuo really deep inside want to, and use tags for attributes. It is 
common
> to use palm categories for these attributes, when really you'd 
rather
> categorize some other way.
> 
> 	And with tags, since you can have many of them on an item, 
and
> many saved custom fitlers, you can in effect categorize multiple 
ways *at
> the same time*.
> 
> 	One minute you activate the "At Franks" filter to see all 
the jobs
> at Franks place. Then you activate the filter to see Important 
jobs. (And
> Important is defined by you, and not just by say Priority.. you 
define
> Important however you want it in your head, and tag the items that 
are
> impoertant! No more bending to fit the system.. let the system 
bend to fit
> you!).
> 
> 	It is a very powerful thing.
> 
> 	Sorry I can't write clearer.. I'm beat :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
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From: jacoblevinil jacob.levin@e...  <jacob.levin@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 5:33am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [HCITOT]

 
I support Scott about items 1-4. If these are in SP, I'll delete my 
todo application.
Need to think about the rest ;-)

Cheers
Jacob


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> Oops, after reading through some more responses I gues my need for 
todo+ is
> actually 4-fold:
> 1. week-at-a-glance
> 2. regenerating and recurring
> 3. flat view of tasks from all lists
> 4. alarms on tasks and apptmnts
> 
> But that's all I need...oh and that lamp, but that's all I need.... 
and
> that chair, I really need that chair. So 1,2,3,4, that lamp, and 
the chair,
> but that's it.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
03:19 PM             [HCITOT
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From: Chris Harlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 5:46am
Subject: Re: Hard Reset

 
Should be: 1] put the pinhole-enabled inside of the Clie pointer into the rear reset hole, keep it pressed in; 2] press the UP button on the main rocker switch in the front middle. 3] release the UP button 4] release the pointer in the rear reset hole 4] kiss your data goodbye. 
The above can be rotated in a randow pattern for interesting effects.....:-) 
Chris
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:13 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Hard Reset


  Ok ... I'm biting the bullet.  What is the proper way to do a hard 
  reset on Clie T665?

  Todd


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From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 5:52am
Subject: Re: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?

 
I agree.  I very much like the gadget option in themes.  Speed does 
seem to be improved as well.  I don't have an OS5 system, though, so 
I can't get the full effect.

Todd



--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "rblanzan <rblanzan@i...>" 
<rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 	Any comments?
> > 
> > 		jeff
> 
> 
> Yes, the gadget option in themes is great!
> 
> Rita
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From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 5:59am
Subject: Re: Clie users

 
Ken,

Could you send me the "mapping" (i.e. your set up) for the Lubak 
fonts as you use them in Shadow?  I can't seem to get mine looking 
quite right.  Thanks in advance.

Todd


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth S. Rhee" 
<polymath@m...> wrote:
> So, you finally got the Clie.  Good for you.
> 
> check out Lubak's fonts at
> 
> http://www.domino.sk/lubak/
> 
> With symbol and San Serif, I got everything looking high resolution 
in Clie including the boxes.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> --
>  Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 02/26/2002
> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:57:39 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> >On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Russ &Ling Nero wrote:
> >
> >>Good! My memory stick should show up any day now.
> >
> >I just don't know what to fill mine up with (I already have a
> >separate mp3 player :P)
> >
> >>>Jog dial will go in soon.
> >>
> >>Jog dial is actually my #1 priority.
> >
> >Why do peopl elike it so much? I've yet to use it.. its there, 
but
> >it doesn't feel comfortable.. maybe not yet anyway :)
> >
> >>>High res fonts.. okay.. check me here. With font bucket 
installed,
> >>>and in high res assist most, I was able to pick high res fonts 
and
> >>>they displayed fine. (Just when using high res assist, dont'
> >>>activate col-bg or your unit locks up).
> >
> >>I don't use font bucket with Shadow. My brief initial look into 
it
> >>did not show any clie hires fonts. Instead, I use FontHack123 and
> >>Lubak's clie hires fonts. Coupled with Shadow's variable font
> >>support, FontHack123 works great. I can't think of any further
> >>enhancement in this area that I'd want to see.
> >>
> >>>High resolution.. I need ot debate how I wish to use it yet.. but
> >>>it actually seemed like a lesser priority to Clie users..
> >>Definitely a low priority for me. I think the widgets, graphic
> >>buttons, and such are already small enough for me to tap. I
> >>wouldn't want to see them any smaller. While having them look
> >>sharper is nice, I'd rather see efforts go elsewhere. I'm not 
sure
> >>you want to make anything bigger.
> >>Kinda defeats the purpose of hires -- to show more and still be
> >>legible and good looking.
> >
> >I'll have to look for lubeks sometime.
> >
> >>I also want to see that col-bg thingie fixed and enhanced with
> >>customizable color. As you pointed out, the default light blue is
> >>barely visible on the clie.
> >>
> >>Thanks for your work and listening to our never-ending demands!
> >
> >heh. I'm a sucker, thats all ;)
> >
> >I picked up a Clie, too.
> >
> >Handera folks-- fear not; the code going in for the Clie will 
work
> >just as well for the handera when I'm done with it. (VFS support is
> >good for everyone, too)
> >
> >jeff
> >
> >--
> >"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
> >micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I
> >mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate
> >he is?" -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
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From: Beryl  <happysahm@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:27am
Subject: managing checkboxes

 
I'm relatively new to Shadow, so perhaps I'm not using it correctly, but I'd
like a way to have checkboxes on certain levels within a list, but not all
levels. 

I'm setting up a list of families, with family members listed as children,
and the tasks I need to do for each family member as children of the
individual family members. Not all members have tasks, and not all tasks are
the same for all members.

Family name
    Member 1
        Task A
        Task B
    Member 2
    Member 3
        Task A
        Task B
        Task D 

I only want checkboxes where I have an actual task, so in this example, it
would be only at level 3. Is there any way to do this? I want to keep the
list of family names as uncluttered as possible. Hope this makes sense.
8699

From: Malcolm Campbell  <malcolmc@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:08am
Subject: Re: Re: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?

 
i just installed it (Palm Vx, 3.5.2) and have been using it without looking
for any new features etc for 24 hours or so.. didnt really notice i'd
switched, which is probably a good thing.. :) no problems, certainly

--- Malcolm

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:52 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: No comments on 2.6.16 beta?


> I agree.  I very much like the gadget option in themes.  Speed does
> seem to be improved as well.  I don't have an OS5 system, though, so
> I can't get the full effect.
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "rblanzan <rblanzan@i...>"
> <rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > jeff
> >
> >
> > Yes, the gadget option in themes is great!
> >
> > Rita
>
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From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:24am
Subject: RE: managing checkboxes

 
> ..... a way to have checkboxes on certain levels within a list, but not
all
> levels.
>
> I'm setting up a list of families, with family members listed as children,
> and the tasks I need to do for each family member as children of the
> individual family members. Not all members have tasks, and not
> all tasks are
> the same for all members.
>
> Family name
>     Member 1
>         Task A
>         Task B
>     Member 2
>     Member 3
>         Task A
>         Task B
>         Task D
>
> I only want checkboxes where I have an actual task, so in this example, it
> would be only at level 3. Is there any way to do this? I want to keep the
> list of family names as uncluttered as possible. Hope this makes sense.
>

Hi Beryl

I have a similar list with Jobs and tasks.  I have set up custom views for
Job whith the following options ticked: progress bar (so that I can keep
tabs on progress without expanding levels), target date, lik arrow, tag, and
suppressed note icon.  The checkbox is un-checked, so that this level does
not have a checkbox.

The task custom view has  the following options: checkbox, link arrow and
tag column.

I have also set up a template within the list which is simply:

Job (with "job" custom view)
  Work in (with "task" custom view)
  Work Started ("task" custom view)
  Out for signing ("task" custom view)
  Signed docs returned ("task" custom view)
etc.

When new work comes in, I copy and paste the template in the list and change
the name of "Job" to the client name and allocate a completion date to the
"work in" task.  As the work progresses, I check the tasks as completed.

I use tags to clarify further stages within a task (eg work started, but
there are queries and I am waiting for additional info, I tag it with
"queries", that way, I can do a sort on the tag and follow up on any of
them).

I think that the key is to set up a standard template with all the possible
tasks and give each one a custom view to make it look the way you want.  If
you don't want certain tasks to appear under a job, it is much simpler to
delete the task than to add a new one and then change the view.

To access custom views, tap on the V on the top right hand corner and then
tap view manager.

I hope this helps.

Rita
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