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| 8601 |
From: Earthlink <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions
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i'm with Scott, as i have had occasional problems with two launchers present (testing a new one), but after a quick review decide which and delete the other...for both compatibility issues and space!
kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: smasters@a...
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
Okay, in my opinion you're a little launcher-rich. I think too many
launchers is a bad thing. Now that you can, I would delete the additional
launchers, and then try reinstalling the one you really want to use. But
before you reinstall the launcher, get rid of Colorize and make sure Shadow
is okay. If necessary reinstall it as Jeff suggested.
As far as the problem restarting the PDA, once you get rid of the
additional launchers, doing a normal soft reset should get things back to
normal.
Scott
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| 8602 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> WOW! This helped. I can now at least get to the native launcher.
> However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
> LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
> recognizing the device as hi-res. In other words, they're giving me
> error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320 devices ..."
> Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to launch
> Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although I may be
> too late). And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not get it to
> start again except by doing a warm reset.
>
> Any suggestions about how to proceed? Obviously, I'm hoping to not
> have to do a hard reset :-(
Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go through and
remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are suspect.
Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off Afterburner or
FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. If
trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, etc.. until
you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. (The goal
being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can delete one
but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can use Filez to
copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the memstick
before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from your home
for awhile.
Hope that helps a little..
>
> Todd
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> >
> > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? Do the
> reset
> > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass LauncherX
> and get
> > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft reset
> to get
> > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
>
> > "tljr_2000
>
> > <tlj1@c... To: shadow-
> discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > >" <tlj1
> cc:
>
> > Subject: [shadow-
> discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
> >
> 01/06/2003
>
> > 02:49
> PM
>
> >
> Please
>
> > respond
> to
>
> > shadow-
> discus
>
> >
> s
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin. I have ~ 4,500K of RAM left. It
> > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems. But I
> > could be wrong.
> >
> > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for my
> Shadow
> > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop of "fatal
> > exceptions". I can't even get to the screen that asks if I want to
> > enable hacks. Uggh.
> >
> > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse. I'm fairly
> > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable through a
> > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office (primarily
> > addresses and calendar items). There are probably some settings
> that
> > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much. Hanging
> > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or the
> like)
> > before the end of the week.
> >
> > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...>
> wrote:
> > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
> > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda itself or
> > were getting full.
> > >
> > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the fatal
> > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or cancel to
> > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal exception
> > occasionally..try it a couple times. if you can get by that point,
> > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few apps you
> > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes things run
> > smoother.
> > >
> > > do you backup in some manner? hopefully, through the card backup,
> > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do the hard
> > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by one. let
> us
> > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may be a few
> > tips to help you not load back what is currently problematic.
> > >
> > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program potentially messing
> > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do a hard
> > reset no matter what. have to be VERY careful about loading stuff
> > lots don't use or that is very new. if it isn't a real popular
> > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems before
> > loading.
> > >
> > > good luck,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Enjoy life!
> > > ------------------------------
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> > > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
> > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
> > >
> > >
> > > I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
> > >
> > > In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the shortcut
> > (set
> > > up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off my card).
> > I am
> > > now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a soft
> > reset, it
> > > continues to give me a "fatal exception" message. There does
> not
> > > seem to be any way to get to any other screen. Any advice would
> > be
> > > greatly appreciated!!
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > *******************************
> > >
> > > Help! My Shadow application was working fine until about an hour
> > ago
> > > (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the problem,
> > > though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX and I tap
> on
> > > the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and have to
> do
> > a
> > > soft reset. The only thing I did different (between when I could
> > vs.
> > > could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
> > my "Colorize"
> > > application. I have since deleted that app but the problem
> > remains.
> > >
> > > Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open the
> native
> > > launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, I get
> > > a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
> > >
> > > One other data point ... there now seems to be another Shadow
> app
> > on
> > > my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it says that
> > it
> > > was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same as the
> > Shadow
> > > app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open Shadow,
> > based
> > > on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
> > >
> > > If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem might
> be,
> > I
> > > would be very grateful! I am away and unable to hotsync / backup
> > > (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few days. What
> > do
> > > I do??!!
> > >
> > > Much thanks,
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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>
>
>
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
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| 8603 |
From: Jesse Reyes jreyes1958@y... <jreyes1958@y...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:46pm
Subject: text filter
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would love to be able to filter a list on text in the record
something as simple as
title "contains" <search string>
title "doesn't contain" <search string>
using find is just too hard to work with when trying to find
occurences of a particular string in an outline -- filtered list
would be better.
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| 8604 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: Re: text filter
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This is what "title matches" does.
Scott
"Jesse Reyes
<jreyes1958@y... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
ahoo.com>" cc:
<jreyes1958 Subject: [shadow-discuss] text filter
01/06/2003
04:46 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
would love to be able to filter a list on text in the record
something as simple as
title "contains" <search string>
title "doesn't contain" <search string>
using find is just too hard to work with when trying to find
occurences of a particular string in an outline -- filtered list
would be better.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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| 8605 |
From: Ross Chapman <rosschappy@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 11:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions
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Amen!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Earthlink wrote:
> the way to the hard reset...bummer, and a pain, but cleans it back up.
I learned something many many years ago, when hard drives would
die much more frequently ;) (And I'll ignroe the obvious "backup here"
comments :)
So your hard drive, PDA, or whatever dies. You lose years of
accumulated data, trivia, and "stuff". For a day and a half you rant and
rave and are in a foul mood.
Then, suddenly.. you have freedom. You reformat the drive or
PDA.. suddenly, its *all empty*. What was one accumulated trivia is now
blank space, waiting for new trivia and junk to be amassed. A 10GB drive
you were sturggling for free space is now 9GB free for the using. Its a
joyous occasion :)
jeff
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| 8606 |
From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c... <tlj1@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:20am
Subject: Re: More Fatal Exceptions
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First off ... a giant THANK YOU to everyone who has been responding
to my posts on this subject. I know I've been a little "off topic"
so I appreciate everyone's patience. This group is an awesome
resource!
As Chris H. suggested, I have backed up everything to my 128MB memory
stick using Sony's MS Backup application. Just curious ... does that
backup everything similar to something like BackUpBuddy? Anyways, I
now feel like I have all my data safely tucked away somewhere.
Next question ... Now that I have my data on the MS, I'm thinking I
should go ahead with the hard reset just to get everything cleaned
up. Then, when I get back to my home computer in a couple of days, I
will (1) transition everything from my MS back to the handheld and
(2) reinstall the applications that I can't seem to get working
properly (i.e. Shadow and LauncherX). Does this seem like a good
approach? As I've mentioned, this is not my forte, so I'm always
looking for input from people who know a lot more about this than me.
Finally ... I see that there is a Shadow-related file
called "Shadow_enUS" and it is 1.6K. Any idea what that is? I have
not noticed it before and I am just wondering if it has anything to
do with my problems. I'm guessing the answer is "no" as I also see a
similarly-named file related to other apps (i.e. "BugMe!_enUS",
DateBk5_enUS", etc.). Just wondering.
Thanks again to everyone!
Todd
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
>
> > WOW! This helped. I can now at least get to the native
launcher.
> > However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
> > LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
> > recognizing the device as hi-res. In other words, they're giving
me
> > error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320
devices ..."
> > Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to
launch
> > Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although I
may be
> > too late). And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not get
it to
> > start again except by doing a warm reset.
> >
> > Any suggestions about how to proceed? Obviously, I'm hoping to
not
> > have to do a hard reset :-(
>
> Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go through
and
> remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are
suspect.
> Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off Afterburner
or
> FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. If
> trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, etc..
until
> you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. (The
goal
> being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can
delete one
> but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can use
Filez to
> copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the
memstick
> before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from your
home
> for awhile.
>
> Hope that helps a little..
>
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? Do
the
> > reset
> > > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass
LauncherX
> > and get
> > > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft
reset
> > to get
> > > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> "tljr_2000
> >
> > > <tlj1@c... To: shadow-
> > discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > >" <tlj1
> >
cc:
> >
> > > Subject: [shadow-
> > discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
> > >
> >
01/06/2003
> >
> > > 02:49
> >
PM
> >
> > >
> >
Please
> >
> > > respond
> >
to
> >
> > > shadow-
> >
discus
> >
> > >
> >
s
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin. I have ~ 4,500K of RAM left.
It
> > > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems. But
I
> > > could be wrong.
> > >
> > > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for my
> > Shadow
> > > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop of "fatal
> > > exceptions". I can't even get to the screen that asks if I
want to
> > > enable hacks. Uggh.
> > >
> > > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse. I'm
fairly
> > > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable
through a
> > > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office (primarily
> > > addresses and calendar items). There are probably some
settings
> > that
> > > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.
Hanging
> > > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or the
> > like)
> > > before the end of the week.
> > >
> > > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
> > > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda
itself or
> > > were getting full.
> > > >
> > > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the fatal
> > > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or
cancel to
> > > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal exception
> > > occasionally..try it a couple times. if you can get by that
point,
> > > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few apps
you
> > > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes things
run
> > > smoother.
> > > >
> > > > do you backup in some manner? hopefully, through the card
backup,
> > > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do the
hard
> > > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by one.
let
> > us
> > > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may be a
few
> > > tips to help you not load back what is currently problematic.
> > > >
> > > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program potentially
messing
> > > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do a
hard
> > > reset no matter what. have to be VERY careful about loading
stuff
> > > lots don't use or that is very new. if it isn't a real popular
> > > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems
before
> > > loading.
> > > >
> > > > good luck,
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Enjoy life!
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> > > > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
> > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
> > > >
> > > > In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the
shortcut
> > > (set
> > > > up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off my
card).
> > > I am
> > > > now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a soft
> > > reset, it
> > > > continues to give me a "fatal exception" message. There
does
> > not
> > > > seem to be any way to get to any other screen. Any advice
would
> > > be
> > > > greatly appreciated!!
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > *******************************
> > > >
> > > > Help! My Shadow application was working fine until about an
hour
> > > ago
> > > > (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the
problem,
> > > > though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX and I
tap
> > on
> > > > the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and have
to
> > do
> > > a
> > > > soft reset. The only thing I did different (between when I
could
> > > vs.
> > > > could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
> > > my "Colorize"
> > > > application. I have since deleted that app but the problem
> > > remains.
> > > >
> > > > Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open the
> > native
> > > > launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, I
get
> > > > a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
> > > >
> > > > One other data point ... there now seems to be another
Shadow
> > app
> > > on
> > > > my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it says
that
> > > it
> > > > was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same as
the
> > > Shadow
> > > > app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open
Shadow,
> > > based
> > > > on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem
might
> > be,
> > > I
> > > > would be very grateful! I am away and unable to hotsync /
backup
> > > > (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few days.
What
> > > do
> > > > I do??!!
> > > >
> > > > Much thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
|
| 8607 |
From: Griff keith@t... <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:46am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking
|
| |
I know Datebk5 has something that runs after each hotsync, but it
doesn't have a seperate conduit at all.
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Wayne Gorton wrote:
>
> > Could the conduit built the To-Do etc on sync back to the HH. If
this
> > is not possible can you tag/have something run at the end of the
> > Hotsync on the HH? These ways it would be created immediately on
sync
> > and you wouldn't have to worry about the proprietary desktop
apps or
> > enter Shadow to create?
>
> Thats one of the options I'd mentioned sort of; we can't
schedule
> something to run at the end of sync (without adding another
conduit, or
> moving our conduit to the end). I guess the risks are pretty low,
so we
> could cause Shadow's conduit to create its links live perhaps.. I
just
> dislike making sync sessions a little longer, and I worry about
other
> conduits that may be listening to the ToDo and Datebook databases.
>
> I'll build the simple link-request stuff in first and then
see how
> it goes. Worrying up front might be unnecessary worry :)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8608 |
From: Griff keith@t... <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:52am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?
|
| |
Yes, that would rock!
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:
>
> > That would be positively FABULOUS! I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like
the
> > "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one
item is
> > checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .
>
> We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next
item
> auto-links to ToDo.
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
|
| 8609 |
From: Griff keith@t... <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:59am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?
|
| |
Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is
used. Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has
been completed.
As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the
next top level:
A
1
2
i
ii
3
B
In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed
2ii, when completed link to 3. Once done we stop. Seems that auto-
check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing
should
> happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
>
|
| 8610 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 3:28am
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?
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i'm with ya on wanting this Keith! seems very simple to make a simple linking when the item above is completed, within each parent. however, there were two people i believe, that appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it seems. a quick and easy option would seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next action items to accomplish larger goals. oh well, can't have it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very complicated! ; )
Enjoy,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Griff <keith@t...>
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is
used. Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has
been completed.
As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the
next top level:
A
1
2
i
ii
3
B
In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed
2ii, when completed link to 3. Once done we stop. Seems that auto-
check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing
should
> happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
>
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| 8611 |
From: Chris Harlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 3:45am
Subject: Re: Re: More Fatal Exceptions
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Todd: if you're going to do a hard reset, which I think you probably should, you can get pretty creative about reinstalling. If all the latest data is on the MS now, you should probably
a: make a copy of your backup folder in the Program Files/Sony Handheld/"your user name"/Backup and store it somewhere else on your HD; then
b: sort the original backup folder by .prc and .pdb files. Leave only the prc. files you think are safe (these are the .exe of the Palm OS). alternatively, you can wipe out the original backup folder, and install the .prc files from install programs, like Shadow has.
c: do a Hotsync
d: copy from the MS any data files you want to use.
e: slowly start adding more .prc files (like Shadow, but I'm pretty sure that's not your problem).
f; keep the hacks to a minimum, make sure you have the latest version of Hackmaster if you're using any.
g: get BackupBuddy as discussed before, and it will back everything on both the Clie and the MS to your desktop. If you're not with your desktop as much, do backups every few days with the MS Backup. BackupBuddy includes a similar utilty, for other flavors of Palm OS that don't provide card backup. Don't install it: it's not necessary, the Sony version works fine...and no need to add to the RAM count!
That should do it....
Chris .....but you can call me Grappaman!
----- Original Message -----
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
First off ... a giant THANK YOU to everyone who has been responding
to my posts on this subject. I know I've been a little "off topic"
so I appreciate everyone's patience. This group is an awesome
resource!
As Chris H. suggested, I have backed up everything to my 128MB memory
stick using Sony's MS Backup application. Just curious ... does that
backup everything similar to something like BackUpBuddy? Anyways, I
now feel like I have all my data safely tucked away somewhere.
Next question ... Now that I have my data on the MS, I'm thinking I
should go ahead with the hard reset just to get everything cleaned
up. Then, when I get back to my home computer in a couple of days, I
will (1) transition everything from my MS back to the handheld and
(2) reinstall the applications that I can't seem to get working
properly (i.e. Shadow and LauncherX). Does this seem like a good
approach? As I've mentioned, this is not my forte, so I'm always
looking for input from people who know a lot more about this than me.
Finally ... I see that there is a Shadow-related file
called "Shadow_enUS" and it is 1.6K. Any idea what that is? I have
not noticed it before and I am just wondering if it has anything to
do with my problems. I'm guessing the answer is "no" as I also see a
similarly-named file related to other apps (i.e. "BugMe!_enUS",
DateBk5_enUS", etc.). Just wondering.
Thanks again to everyone!
Todd
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
>
> > WOW! This helped. I can now at least get to the native
launcher.
> > However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
> > LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
> > recognizing the device as hi-res. In other words, they're giving
me
> > error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320
devices ..."
> > Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to
launch
> > Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although I
may be
> > too late). And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not get
it to
> > start again except by doing a warm reset.
> >
> > Any suggestions about how to proceed? Obviously, I'm hoping to
not
> > have to do a hard reset :-(
>
> Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go through
and
> remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are
suspect.
> Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off Afterburner
or
> FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes. If
> trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow, etc..
until
> you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back. (The
goal
> being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can
delete one
> but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can use
Filez to
> copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the
memstick
> before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from your
home
> for awhile.
>
> Hope that helps a little..
>
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset? Do
the
> > reset
> > > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass
LauncherX
> > and get
> > > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft
reset
> > to get
> > > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> "tljr_2000
> >
> > > <tlj1@c... To: shadow-
> > discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > >" <tlj1
> >
cc:
> >
> > > Subject: [shadow-
> > discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
> > >
> >
01/06/2003
> >
> > > 02:49
> >
PM
> >
> > >
> >
Please
> >
> > > respond
> >
to
> >
> > > shadow-
> >
discus
> >
> > >
> >
s
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin. I have ~ 4,500K of RAM left.
It
> > > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems. But
I
> > > could be wrong.
> > >
> > > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for my
> > Shadow
> > > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop of "fatal
> > > exceptions". I can't even get to the screen that asks if I
want to
> > > enable hacks. Uggh.
> > >
> > > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse. I'm
fairly
> > > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable
through a
> > > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office (primarily
> > > addresses and calendar items). There are probably some
settings
> > that
> > > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.
Hanging
> > > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or the
> > like)
> > > before the end of the week.
> > >
> > > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink" <kevin@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
> > > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda
itself or
> > > were getting full.
> > > >
> > > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the fatal
> > > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or
cancel to
> > > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal exception
> > > occasionally..try it a couple times. if you can get by that
point,
> > > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few apps
you
> > > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes things
run
> > > smoother.
> > > >
> > > > do you backup in some manner? hopefully, through the card
backup,
> > > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do the
hard
> > > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by one.
let
> > us
> > > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may be a
few
> > > tips to help you not load back what is currently problematic.
> > > >
> > > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program potentially
messing
> > > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do a
hard
> > > reset no matter what. have to be VERY careful about loading
stuff
> > > lots don't use or that is very new. if it isn't a real popular
> > > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems
before
> > > loading.
> > > >
> > > > good luck,
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Enjoy life!
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> > > > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
> > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
> > > >
> > > > In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the
shortcut
> > > (set
> > > > up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off my
card).
> > > I am
> > > > now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a soft
> > > reset, it
> > > > continues to give me a "fatal exception" message. There
does
> > not
> > > > seem to be any way to get to any other screen. Any advice
would
> > > be
> > > > greatly appreciated!!
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > *******************************
> > > >
> > > > Help! My Shadow application was working fine until about an
hour
> > > ago
> > > > (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the
problem,
> > > > though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX and I
tap
> > on
> > > > the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and have
to
> > do
> > > a
> > > > soft reset. The only thing I did different (between when I
could
> > > vs.
> > > > could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
> > > my "Colorize"
> > > > application. I have since deleted that app but the problem
> > > remains.
> > > >
> > > > Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open the
> > native
> > > > launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX, I
get
> > > > a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
> > > >
> > > > One other data point ... there now seems to be another
Shadow
> > app
> > > on
> > > > my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it says
that
> > > it
> > > > was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same as
the
> > > Shadow
> > > > app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open
Shadow,
> > > based
> > > > on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem
might
> > be,
> > > I
> > > > would be very grateful! I am away and unable to hotsync /
backup
> > > > (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few days.
What
> > > do
> > > > I do??!!
> > > >
> > > > Much thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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| 8612 |
From: pgrunwald pgrunwald@c... <pgrunwald@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:09am
Subject: Feature/Sync Suggestion - TUTOS -> ShadowPlan
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I am currently evaluating an Open Source Project management tool
called TUTOS - http://www.tutos.org/homepage/about.html.
Has anyone looked at what it would take to produce ShadowPlan .xml
files out of Tutos?
Are people interested in this functionality?
Are there people on this board who are qualified and willing to help
with SQL or PHP coding to develop this functionality?
TIA,
P.
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| 8613 |
From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c... <tlj1@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:31am
Subject: Re: More Fatal Exceptions
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Thanks for the detailed info, Chris. I'm going to suffer through
tomorrow and Wed without my Clie, and then go through your steps when
I get back to my desktop. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I'll
let you know how it goes.
Todd
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Harlepp"
<charlepp@c...> wrote:
> Todd: if you're going to do a hard reset, which I think you
probably should, you can get pretty creative about reinstalling. If
all the latest data is on the MS now, you should probably
> a: make a copy of your backup folder in the Program Files/Sony
Handheld/"your user name"/Backup and store it somewhere else on your
HD; then
> b: sort the original backup folder by .prc and .pdb files. Leave
only the prc. files you think are safe (these are the .exe of the
Palm OS). alternatively, you can wipe out the original backup folder,
and install the .prc files from install programs, like Shadow has.
> c: do a Hotsync
> d: copy from the MS any data files you want to use.
> e: slowly start adding more .prc files (like Shadow, but I'm pretty
sure that's not your problem).
> f; keep the hacks to a minimum, make sure you have the latest
version of Hackmaster if you're using any.
> g: get BackupBuddy as discussed before, and it will back everything
on both the Clie and the MS to your desktop. If you're not with your
desktop as much, do backups every few days with the MS Backup.
BackupBuddy includes a similar utilty, for other flavors of Palm OS
that don't provide card backup. Don't install it: it's not necessary,
the Sony version works fine...and no need to add to the RAM count!
> That should do it....
> Chris .....but you can call me Grappaman!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:20 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
>
>
> First off ... a giant THANK YOU to everyone who has been
responding
> to my posts on this subject. I know I've been a little "off
topic"
> so I appreciate everyone's patience. This group is an awesome
> resource!
>
> As Chris H. suggested, I have backed up everything to my 128MB
memory
> stick using Sony's MS Backup application. Just curious ... does
that
> backup everything similar to something like BackUpBuddy?
Anyways, I
> now feel like I have all my data safely tucked away somewhere.
>
> Next question ... Now that I have my data on the MS, I'm thinking
I
> should go ahead with the hard reset just to get everything
cleaned
> up. Then, when I get back to my home computer in a couple of
days, I
> will (1) transition everything from my MS back to the handheld
and
> (2) reinstall the applications that I can't seem to get working
> properly (i.e. Shadow and LauncherX). Does this seem like a good
> approach? As I've mentioned, this is not my forte, so I'm always
> looking for input from people who know a lot more about this than
me.
>
> Finally ... I see that there is a Shadow-related file
> called "Shadow_enUS" and it is 1.6K. Any idea what that is? I
have
> not noticed it before and I am just wondering if it has anything
to
> do with my problems. I'm guessing the answer is "no" as I also
see a
> similarly-named file related to other apps (i.e. "BugMe!_enUS",
> DateBk5_enUS", etc.). Just wondering.
>
> Thanks again to everyone!
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell
<support@s...>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> >
> > > WOW! This helped. I can now at least get to the native
> launcher.
> > > However, as I try certain applications (i.e. MegaLauncher and
> > > LauncherX in particular), it appears that the software is not
> > > recognizing the device as hi-res. In other words, they're
giving
> me
> > > error messages about " ... only running on 320 x 320
> devices ..."
> > > Also, I still get the "fatal exception" message when I try to
> launch
> > > Shadow (I'm trying not to let this get too off-topic although
I
> may be
> > > too late). And finally, when I turn the Clie off, I can not
get
> it to
> > > start again except by doing a warm reset.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions about how to proceed? Obviously, I'm hoping
to
> not
> > > have to do a hard reset :-(
> >
> > Do you have Filez on there? USe a file manager to go
through
> and
> > remove manualyl any apps which you've added recently which are
> suspect.
> > Disable all hacks (or wipe them out for now). Turn off
Afterburner
> or
> > FastCPU. Get rid of the whacky stuff and then see how it goes.
If
> > trouble.. start killing stuff you like.. Launcher X, Shadow,
etc..
> until
> > you get a unit that boot sokay. Then start putting stuff back.
(The
> goal
> > being to keep your data, but delete the applications.. LX can
> delete one
> > but not the other.. if only you can get LX to run :/) You can
use
> Filez to
> > copy your data (like yuor Shadow files) to a safe place on the
> memstick
> > before wiping Shadow to keep the data, since you're away from
your
> home
> > for awhile.
> >
> > Hope that helps a little..
> >
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, smasters@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Before doing a hard reset, have you tried a "warm" reset?
Do
> the
> > > reset
> > > > while holding the "Up" button, and it just might bypass
> LauncherX
> > > and get
> > > > you to a place where you can correct things. Then do a soft
> reset
> > > to get
> > > > things back into normal operation. Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
>
> > >
> > >
>
> "tljr_2000
> > >
> > > > <tlj1@c... To: shadow-
> > > discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >" <tlj1
> > >
>
cc:
> > >
> > > > Subject:
[shadow-
> > > discuss] Re: More Fatal Exceptions
> > > >
> > >
>
01/06/2003
> > >
> > > > 02:49
> > >
>
PM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
>
Please
> > >
> > > > respond
> > >
>
to
> > >
> > > > shadow-
> > >
>
discus
> > >
> > > >
> > >
>
s
> > >
> > >
>
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for reminding me, Kevin. I have ~ 4,500K of RAM
left.
> It
> > > > doesn't seem that that is low enough to cause my problems.
But
> I
> > > > could be wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I deleted the LauncherX shortcut (that was set up for
my
> > > Shadow
> > > > application) and now I find myself in an endless loop
of "fatal
> > > > exceptions". I can't even get to the screen that asks if I
> want to
> > > > enable hacks. Uggh.
> > > >
> > > > I'm prepared for the hard reset if worse comes to worse.
I'm
> fairly
> > > > new to the Clie so most of my data should be recoverable
> through a
> > > > hot sync when I get back to my computer at the office
(primarily
> > > > addresses and calendar items). There are probably some
> settings
> > > that
> > > > I will lose (like in LauncherX and DateBk5), but not much.
> Hanging
> > > > my head in shame ... I will be investing in BackUpBuddy (or
the
> > > like)
> > > > before the end of the week.
> > > >
> > > > Any other advice ... other than back up your data better :-/
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Earthlink"
<kevin@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > sounds like not enough memory remaining in RAM...you never
> > > > addressed whether you had lots of memory space on the pda
> itself or
> > > > were getting full.
> > > > >
> > > > > i notice you have hacks...sometimes just prior to the
fatal
> > > > exception it will ask to enable hacks or not, click no or
> cancel to
> > > > not enable and sometimes that will eliminate the fatal
exception
> > > > occasionally..try it a couple times. if you can get by
that
> point,
> > > > in applications i would click on delete, then delete a few
apps
> you
> > > > can reload later, and see if it frees up space and makes
things
> run
> > > > smoother.
> > > > >
> > > > > do you backup in some manner? hopefully, through the
card
> backup,
> > > > backupbuddy, or something, and if you do, may be time to do
the
> hard
> > > > reset and slowly load the stuff back on your unit one by
one.
> let
> > > us
> > > > know which backup system you use, if you do, and there may
be a
> few
> > > > tips to help you not load back what is currently
problematic.
> > > > >
> > > > > i think someone mentioned the colorize program
potentially
> messing
> > > > up system resources/settings, and if so, you may have to do
a
> hard
> > > > reset no matter what. have to be VERY careful about
loading
> stuff
> > > > lots don't use or that is very new. if it isn't a real
popular
> > > > program, ask in the forums first if anyone has had problems
> before
> > > > loading.
> > > > >
> > > > > good luck,
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > Enjoy life!
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
> > > > > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] More Fatal Exceptions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I posted this message to the "LauncherX" group as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my meager attempt to fix the problem, I delete the
> shortcut
> > > > (set
> > > > > up in LX) that I had to Shadow (which was running off
my
> card).
> > > > I am
> > > > > now in a fatal exception loop -- everytime I perform a
soft
> > > > reset, it
> > > > > continues to give me a "fatal exception" message.
There
> does
> > > not
> > > > > seem to be any way to get to any other screen. Any
advice
> would
> > > > be
> > > > > greatly appreciated!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > *******************************
> > > > >
> > > > > Help! My Shadow application was working fine until
about an
> hour
> > > > ago
> > > > > (not to insinuate that its the app that is causing the
> problem,
> > > > > though ... I just don't know). When I'm in LauncherX
and I
> tap
> > > on
> > > > > the Shadow icon, I get a "Fatal Exception" message and
have
> to
> > > do
> > > > a
> > > > > soft reset. The only thing I did different (between
when I
> could
> > > > vs.
> > > > > could not open Shadow) was that I changed the color in
> > > > my "Colorize"
> > > > > application. I have since deleted that app but the
problem
> > > > remains.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another data point ... I can't seem to be able to open
the
> > > native
> > > > > launcher. In other words, when I try to exit LauncherX,
I
> get
> > > > > a "Fatal Exception" message then as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > One other data point ... there now seems to be another
> Shadow
> > > app
> > > > on
> > > > > my LauncherX desktop. Looking at the database info, it
says
> that
> > > > it
> > > > > was created today 1/5/03 and its file size is the same
as
> the
> > > > Shadow
> > > > > app (264K). The other icon that I normally tap to open
> Shadow,
> > > > based
> > > > > on the database info, indicates that it is only 7K.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone could PLEASE advise me as to what the problem
> might
> > > be,
> > > > I
> > > > > would be very grateful! I am away and unable to
hotsync /
> backup
> > > > > (although I do have a memory stick with me) for a few
days.
> What
> > > > do
> > > > > I do??!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Much thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > >
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| 8614 |
From: gf_gollum gf_gollum@y... <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:18pm
Subject: Feature request for Shadow desktop client
|
| |
Could the dekstop Shadow Plan, indicate the last modified / synced
date for the file being edited. Anywhere on the editing screen would
be good.
Graham
|
| 8615 |
From: Justin Nelson <justinn@e...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:02pm
Subject: Highlighting by tags?
|
| |
What are the chances of a facility enabling highlighting (in the same way
as filtering) by tags, especially custom tags?
Unless I am being very stupid (again!) I don't think this is possible at
present, but it would certainly be very useful: I am currently planning a
day trip to Barcelona; as it is only a day, I want to maximise the benefit
by tight planning. I have prepared a "tour schedule" that is based on
locations, but with tags to identify (eg) Gaudi-designed buildings. I can
filter on "Gaudi" to produce a "mini-tour" for Gaudi-related sites only,
but would like to be able to keep the whole tour in view, but with the
ability to highlight the Gaudi-related sites within the whole tour
Any views or suggestions?
Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, Datebk5, JackFlash,
ShadowPlan and a variety of system extension hacks)
|
| 8616 |
From: Frederick G. Turner <fred@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: RE: Re: Completion activates next task ?
|
| |
I missed the majority of this thread because of vacations, but I'll
throw in my two cents:
This is the *one* feature I miss from LifeBalance...
I think it would be a significant value-add to Shadow's power if you
could add this functionality, Jeff.
Saludos,
Fred.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:28 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
>
>
> i'm with ya on wanting this Keith! seems very simple to make
> a simple linking when the item above is completed, within
> each parent. however, there were two people i believe, that
> appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had
> been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super
> complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it
> seems. a quick and easy option would seem to make it very
> nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that
> were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next
> action items to accomplish larger goals. oh well, can't have
> it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very
> complicated! ; ) Enjoy, Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Griff <keith@t...>
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
>
>
> Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is
> used. Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has
> been completed.
>
> As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the
> next top level:
> A
> 1
> 2
> i
> ii
> 3
> B
>
> In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed
> 2ii, when completed link to 3. Once done we stop. Seems that auto-
> check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> wrote:
> > So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing
> should
> > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
> >
>
>
>
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| 8617 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?
|
| |
clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very simple. a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach (or even specifying at which level the children under it link when item before is checked). hopefully sometime soon with the simple solution, then later to address the few what if this or that! hoping like you!!!
Enjoy,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick G. Turner
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
I missed the majority of this thread because of vacations, but I'll
throw in my two cents:
This is the *one* feature I miss from LifeBalance...
I think it would be a significant value-add to Shadow's power if you
could add this functionality, Jeff.
Saludos,
Fred.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:28 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
>
>
> i'm with ya on wanting this Keith! seems very simple to make
> a simple linking when the item above is completed, within
> each parent. however, there were two people i believe, that
> appear to want some other stuff out first from what i had
> been reading (!!!), that attempted to make this a super
> complicated issue and thus it got put on the back burner it
> seems. a quick and easy option would seem to make it very
> nice for lots of users, including those, like Jeff too, that
> were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of next
> action items to accomplish larger goals. oh well, can't have
> it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very
> complicated! ; ) Enjoy, Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Griff <keith@t...>
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
>
>
> Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is
> used. Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1 has
> been completed.
>
> As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at the
> next top level:
> A
> 1
> 2
> i
> ii
> 3
> B
>
> In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when completed
> 2ii, when completed link to 3. Once done we stop. Seems that auto-
> check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> wrote:
> > So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing
> should
> > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 8618 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:57pm
Subject: Re: Feature/Sync Suggestion - TUTOS -> ShadowPlan
|
| |
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, pgrunwald <pgrunwald@c...> wrote:
> I am currently evaluating an Open Source Project management tool
> called TUTOS - http://www.tutos.org/homepage/about.html.
>
> Has anyone looked at what it would take to produce ShadowPlan .xml
> files out of Tutos?
>
> Are people interested in this functionality?
>
> Are there people on this board who are qualified and willing to help
> with SQL or PHP coding to develop this functionality?
Also check shadow-developer.
It should be reasonably "easy" (nothign is ever easy.. it starts
easy, and balloons from there :)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
|
| 8619 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Highlighting by tags?
|
| |
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Justin Nelson wrote:
> What are the chances of a facility enabling highlighting (in the same way
> as filtering) by tags, especially custom tags?
Eventually; I intend on merging the hilight and custom filter
systems.. so as to allow you to use hilights of custom filters. (ie: Right
now a hilight is just a filter that doesn't filter, but does colourize. I
intend on allowing you to pick a custom filter and use it in the same
subsystem). Should work very nicely. Something for 2.8 hopefully :)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
|
| 8620 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?
|
| |
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very
> simple. a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what
> ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but
> merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach
> (or even specifying at which level the children under it link when
> item before is checked). hopefully sometime soon with the simple
> solution, then later to address the few what if this or that! hoping
> like you!!!
Hows this..
I can put it in for 2.7.x.. but I'm not going to put it in for 2.7
(and hold up getting 2.7 out the door). IF a few of you guys are in
shadow-test, remind me in a week (after 2.7 is out hopefully), and I'll
put something cheap and simple into an alpha, and we can see how it works
out in practice :)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
|
| 8621 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ?
|
| |
Sooner than i expected! No problem, i will make sure to remind you in a week or so. Thanks, as ALWAYS!
Enjoy,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> clearly a large majority of responses want this and want it very
> simple. a couple responders go through a bunch of complicated what
> ifs, even though the majority appear not to want every option but
> merely the simple link next item in to do under each parent approach
> (or even specifying at which level the children under it link when
> item before is checked). hopefully sometime soon with the simple
> solution, then later to address the few what if this or that! hoping
> like you!!!
Hows this..
I can put it in for 2.7.x.. but I'm not going to put it in for 2.7
(and hold up getting 2.7 out the door). IF a few of you guys are in
shadow-test, remind me in a week (after 2.7 is out hopefully), and I'll
put something cheap and simple into an alpha, and we can see how it works
out in practice :)
jeff
--
"Have you played Atari today?"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 8622 |
From: imjb3 imjb@h... <imjb@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 5:25pm
Subject: Feature request: Filters using specific dates
|
| |
I have been monitoring the discussion forum for the past month or so
and have found the discussions (generally) to be very useful.
I would like to re-present for consideration a request to modify the
filter manager so a specific date can be entered when creating a
filter for the Target Date, Start Date, or Finish Date fields.
I would like to:
1) filter items with target dates <, = , or > than a specific date
2) filter items with target dates between two dates (e.g. a filter
with two rules: target date >= 12/01/2002 AND target date <= 01/31/03)
I submitted this request in this discussion forum on 2002-11-21 and
Jeff's reply on 2002-11-22 was as follows:
> I never figured filtering for specific date was useful.. ie: The
> filter would be used for one day and not likely later, and I want
> the filtering system to be useful for general re-usable filters.
> When I add > more date filtration stuff, I'd like to support a more
> general date system than "this date" or "that date" which isn't all
> that useful very often.
> Adding "from here to there" is a fair amount of work, and the other
> sorts of date things are work too. So I expect to add some more
> date stuff, but it'll likely be a little while due to complexity.
I appreciate the desire to create generally re-useable filters but I
would like to reconsider the assumption that creating filters using
specific dates would not be generally re-useable. I would like to set
up the rules using project milestone dates and they would be
reuseable for the duration of the project.
I have been able to use tags that duplicate the date information to
accomplish what I need but this means I have to maintain the
information in two places.
I considered reordering my lists by date so that all of the
activities within a project milestone are grouped together but then I
would have to set up tags so I could see things associated with
specific 'deliverables'.
Would the requested changes be difficult to implement? If not, could
this functionality be made available until a more complicated
solution is developed?
Is there another way to accomplish what I am trying to do that I am
unaware of?
Thanks!
-John Basinger-
|
| 8623 |
From: Griff keith@t... <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:16pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]
|
| |
So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this through a
little more. Do you think having the program auto-link the todo
will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task less?
One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) is losing
connection to my tasks. Somehow in digital form I don't give them
the same weight I would if I were using a paper based system. For
now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am going to
complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new feature I
wouldn't even have to do that.
Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always
interested in others opinions.
FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to reread
it.
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
wrote:
> i'm with ya on wanting this Keith! seems very simple to make a
simple linking when the item above is completed, within each
parent. however, there were two people i believe, that appear to
want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading (!!!),
that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus it
got put on the back burner it seems. a quick and easy option would
seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, like
Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of
next action items to accomplish larger goals. oh well, can't have
it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very
complicated! ; )
> Enjoy,
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Griff <keith@t...>
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:59 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ?
>
>
> Really it should be activated only when the next step filter is
> used. Item 2 would never be displayed/auto-linked until item 1
has
> been completed.
>
> As for sublevels, Shadow should drill down, but should stop at
the
> next top level:
> A
> 1
> 2
> i
> ii
> 3
> B
>
> In this case, we'd link 1, when completed link 2i, when
completed
> 2ii, when completed link to 3. Once done we stop. Seems that
auto-
> check would also have to be enabled or 3 would never link.
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell
<support@s...>
> wrote:
> > So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2),
nothing
> should
> > happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 8624 |
From: mladensk susan@a... <susan@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:19pm
Subject: Tags vs categories
|
| |
Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and
categories? Other than the limitation of 15 on categories. Also,
insight into how tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook? Just
trying to get my head around this.
Susan
|
| 8625 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Tags vs categories
|
| |
right now, tags are internal only to Shadow, so I don't think they will be
of any use to you in DB5 and Outlook. Tags are much more powerful than
Categories when it comes to filtering and custom views. Hope this helps.
Scott
"mladensk
<susan@a... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
tment.ca>" <susan cc:
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Tags vs categories
01/07/2003 12:19 PM
Please respond to
shadow-discuss
Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and
categories? Other than the limitation of 15 on categories. Also,
insight into how tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook? Just
trying to get my head around this.
Susan
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| 8626 |
From: Earthlink <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]
|
| |
Depends on how you organize i think. I do all my task outlining, etc., in Shadow, and thus constantly review it and see all my tasks...and usually arrange the children in the order i need to complete them. When i go to my to do list, i would rather not see every item there except for those i need to and can work on that day, otherwise it is far too cluttered and seems overwhelming. Thus, i think the idea is to organize within Shadow where you see all your items, and then each will pop into your to do list when it is time. Of course, you don't have to do this to every list, only those you want to handle in this manner. Just my quick thoughts off the top of my head.
Kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Griff <keith@t...>
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Completion activates next task ? [OT]
So here's an interesting thought I had after thinking this through a
little more. Do you think having the program auto-link the todo
will make you, for lack of a better term, resepct the task less?
One thing I've struggled with since day one (Palm Pro '97) is losing
connection to my tasks. Somehow in digital form I don't give them
the same weight I would if I were using a paper based system. For
now at least I have to look at the task and say "Yes, I am going to
complete you, go to my todo list", seems with the new feature I
wouldn't even have to do that.
Just some rambling...sorry for the OT nature, but I'm always
interested in others opinions.
FWIW, I read GTD a year or so ago, just picked up the PB to reread
it.
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
wrote:
> i'm with ya on wanting this Keith! seems very simple to make a
simple linking when the item above is completed, within each
parent. however, there were two people i believe, that appear to
want some other stuff out first from what i had been reading (!!!),
that attempted to make this a super complicated issue and thus it
got put on the back burner it seems. a quick and easy option would
seem to make it very nice for lots of users, including those, like
Jeff too, that were interested in the GTD (David Allen) concept of
next action items to accomplish larger goals. oh well, can't have
it all at once...especially if we make it sound very, very
complicated! ; )
> Enjoy,
> Kevin
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 8627 |
From: Ken Stuart <kstuart@e...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Tags vs categories
|
| |
On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:19:16 -0000, "mladensk <susan@a...>"
<susan@a...> wrote:
>Can anyone give me a good differentiation between tags and
>categories? Other than the limitation of 15 on categories. Also,
>insight into how tags might integrate with DB5 and Outlook? Just
>trying to get my head around this.
Categories have two problems - the limitation of 15, and the fact that an item
can only have one category.
For me the latter limitation is also important. For example, suppose I have a
task "Contact Fred about meeting". If I put that in my "phone" category, then
I might keep trying him without reaching him by phone. However, if I also
have his email address, then if I could also put the same task in "email"
category, then why I am doing email, I could send him an email and try to
contact him that way.
Tags is a separate (but similar) system only within Shadow, that doesn't have
the limitation of 15, AND allows you to use multiple tags on an item.
Since it is internal to Shadow, it doesn't show up anywhere else. However, if
the item is linked in a Palm database, then the category of the linked items is
preserved.
For example, if the Shadow task described above is created from a ToDo database
item "Contact Fred about meeting" which has category "Phone", then that ToDo
item and ToDo Category are preserved, and the ToDo item will still show up in
DB5, for example.
--
Cheers,
Ken
kstuart@e...
|
| 8628 |
From: Jesse Reyes jreyes1958@y... <jreyes1958@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 8:45pm
Subject: Re: text filter
|
| |
"DUUUHH"
thanks,
i guess you know how stupid i feel
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Jesse Reyes
<jreyes1958@y...>" <jreyes1958@y...> wrote:
> would love to be able to filter a list on text in the record
> something as simple as
>
> title "contains" <search string>
> title "doesn't contain" <search string>
>
> using find is just too hard to work with when trying to find
> occurences of a particular string in an outline -- filtered list
> would be better.
|
| 8629 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:10pm
Subject: Shadow 2.6.16a BETA Released!
|
| |
This is a beta version of the application. We've been beating the
heck out of it in alpha for awhile now, so it is probably quite stable.
But due to many changes in the application infrastructure I wanted to get
as wide a set of tests as I can before releasing this, to make sure we
catch any oddities.
There are a few minor things to go in, but barring any major
problems, this version plus a few little things will become Shadow Plan
2.7. If you see any oddities or problems or serious omissions, please let
me/us know so we can get onto it for our pre-release alpha.
You shouldn't be afraid of this version; I'd like as many people
to try it out as can be. At worst it displays funny and you go back to
2.6.7 or 2.6.0, but I'm pretty sure this version is super solid.
This is *not* for general distribution. After a couple of days of
beta, I'll package it up with the installer and everything, and make it
2.7. Probably Monday or Tuesday. for now its a shadow-discuss limited
edition. ry it out, beat it up, let me know good or bad. So please get
back to me ASAP, since I'm hoping to get 2.7 out to the public *soon* :)
Good reports are just as good as bad reports... if I get no
"goods" I don't know what you think, or if its ready. So please write back
(privately or publicly) with "I love it!" or "I hate it!" and why :) If
you see any bugs, be sure to let me/us know ASAP!
What are you looking for?
1) It is very OS5 friendly; should render and work very well on
all units (old and new). Should run just as fast or faster on old units,
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