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8401

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Mac desktop progress?

 
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, visualvibrations <maclover88@m...> wrote:

> Just checking in again to see how the mac desktop is coming?
> In the meantime, Is there an easy way to open the .pdb files in 
> my Backups folder in Mac OS 9 or X?

	Getting XCadeou the door, and dealing with Chrsitmas, delayed
things a bit. (As well as me being sick as a dog for 3 weeks and having
family in hospital.. this'll go down as one of the craziest years ever! :)

	Now that XCade 1.4 is out, I expect only a few minor updates to it
over the next few weeks. The main focus for the next few weeks will be
stablizing the Shadow 2.6.9 theming stuff and getting Mac OSX desktop to
beta quality. So I expect lots of OSX action in the testing group soon,
and I really want to get that sucker out the door.. so lots will happen
over the next few weeks. Just Christmas eats up all your time.. as it it
should :)

	Happy holidays!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8402

From: visualvibrations maclover88@m...  <maclover88@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 9:33pm
Subject: Re: Mac desktop progress?

 
Thanks Jeff  for your quick response and look ing forward to the 
Mac OSX beta.

Hope you are feeling better.

Merry Christmas

Jim
 > Just checking in again to see how the mac desktop is 
coming?
> > In the meantime, Is there an easy way to open the .pdb files 
in 
> > my Backups folder in Mac OS 9 or X?
> 
> 	Getting XCadeou the door, and dealing with Chrsitmas, 
delayed
> things a bit. (As well as me being sick as a dog for 3 weeks 
and having
> family in hospital.. this'll go down as one of the craziest years 
ever! :)
> 
> 	Now that XCade 1.4 is out, I expect only a few minor updates 
to it
> over the next few weeks. The main focus for the next few weeks 
will be
> stablizing the Shadow 2.6.9 theming stuff and getting Mac OSX 
desktop to
> beta quality. So I expect lots of OSX action in the testing group 
soon,
> and I really want to get that sucker out the door.. so lots will 
happen
> over the next few weeks. Just Christmas eats up all your time.. 
as it it
> should :)
> 
> 	Happy holidays!
> 
> 		jeff
8403

From: Cindy Greene  <cindyg@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 4:53am
Subject: Re: Mac Desktop Progress?

 
I've been wanting to ask as well, but don't like to seem pushy.

But don't forget we're here, just because we're not noisy!!

Cindy


> Just checking in again to see how the mac desktop is coming?
> In the meantime, Is there an easy way to open the .pdb files in
> my Backups folder in Mac OS 9 or X?
> Happy Holidays
>
8404

From: virtuallinesman virtuallinesman@b...  <virtuallinesman@b...>
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:25pm
Subject: Re: Encrypt Text in Shadow

 
I am interested in trialling ReadThis! as it suits the naming 
convention I use in MemoPad (linked from Shadow).  However, I 
searched the archive and found the unanswered question below.

Has Gary or anyone else any experience?  If not, I guess I'm the lab 
rat on this one.

Happy Holidays

bignoseduglyguy

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Paulson" <gpaulson@o...> 
wrote:
Has anyone else used ReadThis! with Shadow? I have just started 
playing with it and seems to work. I wanted something that would 
keep at least some of my stuff encrypted.
8405

From: shlaf shlaf@y...  <shlaf@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 0:42am
Subject: what is the most recent Shadow Desktop version?

 
Hello fellow shadowers!

I have been out of sync :) with the Shadow news for couple of 
months.  Now I am trying to make up and first thing I'd like to know 
is what is the most recent version of desktop?  I have 1.2.5 - is 
there a newer version?  I couldn't find that info on codejedi web 
site.

Thanks,
Yaakov.
8406

From: Virtuallinesman  <virtuallinesman@b...>
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 0:59am
Subject: RE: what is the most recent Shadow Desktop version?

 
Hello again Yaakov

I downloaded mine just two weeks back and it is 1.2.5 also so I think it is
the current release

HTH
bignoseduglyguy
bignoseduglyguyATbignoseduglyguy.com
http://www.bignoseduglyguy.com








  -----Original Message-----
  From: shlaf <shlaf@y...> [mailto:shlaf@y...]
  Sent: 27 December 2002 00:42
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] what is the most recent Shadow Desktop version?


  Hello fellow shadowers!

  I have been out of sync :) with the Shadow news for couple of
  months.  Now I am trying to make up and first thing I'd like to know
  is what is the most recent version of desktop?  I have 1.2.5 - is
  there a newer version?  I couldn't find that info on codejedi web
  site.

  Thanks,
  Yaakov.



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8407

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:17pm
Subject: Autolinking to ToDos not working with Desktop

 
Jeff,
I realise that adding linking functionality to the desktop is on your
'sometime todo' list.  I was hoping to get around this by using the
HHs 'always link new items to Todo'.  Unfortunatly, when I add a new
item on the desktop, although the sync picks it up and its then shown
on the hand held, the HH doesnt 'recognise it' as a new item i.e.
there is no link to the Todo database - I have to manually set the link.

The reason I'm trying to do this is I do most of my reviews in front
of the PC and while there, I much prefer to use its large
screen/keyboard to enter data, rather than my slow data entry on the HH.
So I have my ToDo lists set up in Shadow but linked to the ToDos so my
desktop app can give me Alarms, reports etc.
With the current situation I have to regularly go through my HH lists
to make sure the ToDo links are all set - which is a bit of a pain.
The alternative is for me to enter my Todos in the desktop app with
the [[[]]] string and remember to manually import into the shadow
lists.  Either way I dont like having to have a manual step in there -
too easy to miss it one day, and by sods law that would be an
important reminder missed!

Is there any chance that for lists with 'link new to todo' the HH
could check new items and set the link?
Alternatively will it be long before the DT supports linking?

TIA (& Happy New Year)

Victor.
8408

From: neilbothams neil.bothams@b...  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:44pm
Subject: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
Hi

I have a vision of a tool that would greeatly aid in Getting Things 
Done.

THE CONCEPT
I want to arrange "time buckets" within my appointments that i 
dedicate to getting some tasks within a particular group of tasks 
done.  So the time bucket is simply an appointment with myself that 
ensures I have time dedicated to work on a pre-defined group of tasks.

THE TOOL 
I tap on an appointment within datebook and it takes me to a pre-
defined file with pre-defined filter(s) and view.

e.g Appointment=Arrive at work tasks
tap on this and I get taken to a set of tasks which have been 
filtered etc so that only those pertinent to today; suitable for the 
start of the day e.g. quick and relating to work appear.

HOW TO ACHIEVE?
I have experimented with using macroplay to achieve this.  Macroplay 
works by recording the stylus strokes and then replays them back.  
The filter which the replay selects is highly variable depending on 
all sorts o fthings like whether the "broken link" message is 
displayed, whether a file is open or not.  This is despite recording 
the macro in such a way that you always exit a file first etc.

If it had worked then I would have used a "Link" tool to join the 
phrase in the datebook that you wish to launch from to the macroplay 
name that you wanted to run.

SO HELP ME!
I am not familiar with megawiki but wonder whether this can be used 
to help?

Also perhaps a "button" could be added to SP that would allow you to 
associate names with particular combinations of file/view/filters.  I 
could then have quick access to views that for example I would look 
at during the beginning, middle, end of working day, end of day.
8409

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:42am
Subject: Re: Re: Mac Desktop Progress?

 
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Cindy Greene wrote:

> I've been wanting to ask as well, but don't like to seem pushy.
> 
> But don't forget we're here, just because we're not noisy!!

	Virtual grafitti, theming, Mac OSX. I'm on top of it.. just
getting back into the swing :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8410

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:44am
Subject: Re: what is the most recent Shadow Desktop version?

 
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, shlaf <shlaf@y...> wrote:

> Hello fellow shadowers!
> 
> I have been out of sync :) with the Shadow news for couple of months.  
> Now I am trying to make up and first thing I'd like to know is what is
> the most recent version of desktop?  I have 1.2.5 - is there a newer
> version?  I couldn't find that info on codejedi web site.

	I think thats the one. Shadow 2.6 includes all the latest public
goodies except for the handheld side, which is 2.6.7 from the front page
of the website.

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8411

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:46am
Subject: Re: Autolinking to ToDos not working with Desktop

 
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, vjornes <vjornes@y...> wrote:

> Is there any chance that for lists with 'link new to todo' the HH
> could check new items and set the link? Alternatively will it be long
> before the DT supports linking?

	This is a hard question; I've just not had too much time to think
about it.

	Lets discuss it a little.. I'll make a new thread to make it
obious and get some ideas rolling.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8412

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:50am
Subject: Desktop and linking

 
"Always link new items to ToDo" doesn't apply when items are made
on Shadow Desktop. This needs to be fixed.

	But we also need to worry about Shadow Desktop linking.

	Its a tough problem; I do not wish to do linking in Shadow Desktop
itself, since we would then be required to know how to add items into MS
Outlook, Palm Desktop, Act, and every other desktop tool.. with each being
different and proprietary.

	So...

	When Shadow Desktop creates an item, it could be flagged as coming
from the desktop in someway. Then when Shadow opens that file (when you
open it normally), Shadow could scan through, see the new item from the
desktop, clear the flag, and create the link if you've requested it
(always link to ToDo).

	So.. what about ToDo and Datebook links? (lets not even talk about
Address and Memo links yet)

	On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".

	These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would come
into existance when the list is opened by you.

	Is this acceptible?

	I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the same
sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it in the
handheld application keeps things together.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8413

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:51am
Subject: Re: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, neilbothams <neil.bothams@b...> wrote:

> SO HELP ME!
> I am not familiar with megawiki but wonder whether this can be used 
> to help?

	MegaWiki and LinkerHack could certainly do most of this.

	I am tempted to add some "tricks" to Find to let you jump to lists
and views and filters...

	Like a Find for:

	"Shadow/Myfile/MyView/Myfilter" that sort of thing. That would be
interesting :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8414

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:47am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
sounds perfectly fine for me, and very glad it will be automatically linked for me after a desktop creation and then i can mess around with the details later.  thanks Jeff!
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:50 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Desktop and linking



              On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
  panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".

        These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would come
  into existance when the list is opened by you.

        Is this acceptible?

        I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the same
  sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it in the
  handheld application keeps things together.

              jeff



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8415

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 9:22am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
Jeff,

How about "reserved" tags? Naaaahhh... when I think it through, the
way you implement tags (index to tag DB), it wouldn't be extensible.

It just seems to me that if the route you want to take is to delay all
actions until back on the HH, then you need a more general interface.
 (and I'm pretty sure I like the "delay until HH" philosophy)

I was thinking tags but they couldn't be dynamic enough to specify ...
oh say ... the name of the address entry you want to link to.

So I'm a little at a loss to suggest where to store the "link
specifier" for the crossing to the HH.  I'd say "note field", but I
know better than that... ;)

As far as the "auto link to ToDo" for all newly added DT records, that
doesn't require any visible marking on the DT.

It's only when you venture into the realm of manually marked records
does this become something I (personally) would really like to see
encompass all types of links.

Ken

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> 
> 	"Always link new items to ToDo" doesn't apply when items are made
> on Shadow Desktop. This needs to be fixed.
> 
> 	But we also need to worry about Shadow Desktop linking.
> 
> 	Its a tough problem; I do not wish to do linking in Shadow Desktop
> itself, since we would then be required to know how to add items
into MS
> Outlook, Palm Desktop, Act, and every other desktop tool.. with each
being
> different and proprietary.
> 
> 	So...
> 
> 	When Shadow Desktop creates an item, it could be flagged as coming
> from the desktop in someway. Then when Shadow opens that file (when
you
> open it normally), Shadow could scan through, see the new item from
the
> desktop, clear the flag, and create the link if you've requested it
> (always link to ToDo).
> 
> 	So.. what about ToDo and Datebook links? (lets not even talk about
> Address and Memo links yet)
> 
> 	On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
> panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".
> 
> 	These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would come
> into existance when the list is opened by you.
> 
> 	Is this acceptible?
> 
> 	I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the same
> sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it
in the
> handheld application keeps things together.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8416

From: neilbothams neil.bothams@b...  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 7:27pm
Subject: Megawiki WAS: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
Hi

Can any users of megawiki help me out here?  How do I do what Jeff is 
suggesting.  I have zero knowledge of megawiki.  I had a quick look a 
couple of months ago and was put off (unusual - I normally love 
getting to grips with new software).

I am UK based and happy to call someone to work thru this.  Thanks 
for all your help as ever.

Bye for now
Neil


> 	MegaWiki and LinkerHack could certainly do most of this.
> 
> 	I am tempted to add some "tricks" to Find to let you jump to 
lists
> and views and filters...
> 
> 	Like a Find for:
> 
> 	"Shadow/Myfile/MyView/Myfilter" that sort of thing. That 
would be
> interesting :)
> 
> 		jeff
8417

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:55pm
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> sounds perfectly fine for me, and very glad it will be automatically
> linked for me after a desktop creation and then i can mess around with
> the details later.  thanks Jeff!

	Remember, it would only pop into existance after you open the
list. I coudl try and build a system to make this happen say the first
time you run Shadow, or I could make it process links during the
sync.. but that could be "odd" for other conduits...

		jeff

> Kevin
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jeff Mitchell 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:50 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Desktop and linking
> 
> 
> 
>               On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
>   panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".
> 
>         These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would come
>   into existance when the list is opened by you.
> 
>         Is this acceptible?
> 
>         I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the same
>   sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it in the
>   handheld application keeps things together.
> 
>               jeff
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8418

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Desktop and linking

 
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Ken Latham <clatham1@t...> wrote:

> So I'm a little at a loss to suggest where to store the "link
> specifier" for the crossing to the HH.  I'd say "note field", but I
> know better than that... ;)

	Oh, thats easy and my bidniz. ie: I'd just add a new flag to the
XML, and the conduit would know what to do. You needn't worry :)

> As far as the "auto link to ToDo" for all newly added DT records, that
> doesn't require any visible marking on the DT.

	Nope; just in the XML. But I want everyone to consider the
implications of the delay in creation.. ie: That in the easiest solution
(for me ;) the new items wouldnt' show up in ToDo until they'd opened the
list on the handheld (could be days later, for instance). 

	I could build that, and then a bit later build a system to force
them to create faster perhaps.

> It's only when you venture into the realm of manually marked records
> does this become something I (personally) would really like to see
> encompass all types of links.

	Yep.

		jeff

> 
> Ken
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > 	"Always link new items to ToDo" doesn't apply when items are made
> > on Shadow Desktop. This needs to be fixed.
> > 
> > 	But we also need to worry about Shadow Desktop linking.
> > 
> > 	Its a tough problem; I do not wish to do linking in Shadow Desktop
> > itself, since we would then be required to know how to add items
> into MS
> > Outlook, Palm Desktop, Act, and every other desktop tool.. with each
> being
> > different and proprietary.
> > 
> > 	So...
> > 
> > 	When Shadow Desktop creates an item, it could be flagged as coming
> > from the desktop in someway. Then when Shadow opens that file (when
> you
> > open it normally), Shadow could scan through, see the new item from
> the
> > desktop, clear the flag, and create the link if you've requested it
> > (always link to ToDo).
> > 
> > 	So.. what about ToDo and Datebook links? (lets not even talk about
> > Address and Memo links yet)
> > 
> > 	On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
> > panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".
> > 
> > 	These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would come
> > into existance when the list is opened by you.
> > 
> > 	Is this acceptible?
> > 
> > 	I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the same
> > sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it
> in the
> > handheld application keeps things together.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8419

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 0:47am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
easy to open the list once for it to occur, or first time you run Shadow would be even better!
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Desktop and linking


  On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > sounds perfectly fine for me, and very glad it will be automatically
  > linked for me after a desktop creation and then i can mess around with
  > the details later.  thanks Jeff!

        Remember, it would only pop into existance after you open the
  list. I coudl try and build a system to make this happen say the first
  time you run Shadow, or I could make it process links during the
  sync.. but that could be "odd" for other conduits...

              jeff

  > Kevin
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Jeff Mitchell 
  >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:50 PM
  >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Desktop and linking
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >               On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
  >   panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".
  > 
  >         These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would come
  >   into existance when the list is opened by you.
  > 
  >         Is this acceptible?
  > 
  >         I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the same
  >   sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it in the
  >   handheld application keeps things together.
  > 
  >               jeff
  > 
  > 
  > 
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  > 
  > 
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  > 
  > 
  > 

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
  -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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8420

From: Wayne Gorton  <thinkingclown@o...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 0:33am
Subject: RE: Re: Desktop and linking

 
Jeff,
Could the conduit built the To-Do etc on sync back to the HH. If this is
not possible can you tag/have something run at the end of the Hotsync on
the HH? These ways it would be created immediately on sync and you
wouldn't have to worry about the proprietary desktop apps or enter
Shadow to create?

Share and Enjoy 
Or go stick your head in a pig 

The Thinking Man's Clown 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 14:58
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Desktop and linking


On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Ken Latham <clatham1@t...> wrote:

> So I'm a little at a loss to suggest where to store the "link
> specifier" for the crossing to the HH.  I'd say "note field", but I
> know better than that... ;)

      Oh, thats easy and my bidniz. ie: I'd just add a new flag to the
XML, and the conduit would know what to do. You needn't worry :)

> As far as the "auto link to ToDo" for all newly added DT records, that
> doesn't require any visible marking on the DT.

      Nope; just in the XML. But I want everyone to consider the
implications of the delay in creation.. ie: That in the easiest solution
(for me ;) the new items wouldnt' show up in ToDo until they'd opened
the
list on the handheld (could be days later, for instance). 

      I could build that, and then a bit later build a system to force
them to create faster perhaps.

> It's only when you venture into the realm of manually marked records
> does this become something I (personally) would really like to see
> encompass all types of links.

      Yep.

            jeff

> 
> Ken
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> wrote:
> > 
> >       "Always link new items to ToDo" doesn't apply when items are
made
> > on Shadow Desktop. This needs to be fixed.
> > 
> >       But we also need to worry about Shadow Desktop linking.
> > 
> >       Its a tough problem; I do not wish to do linking in Shadow
Desktop
> > itself, since we would then be required to know how to add items
> into MS
> > Outlook, Palm Desktop, Act, and every other desktop tool.. with each
> being
> > different and proprietary.
> > 
> >       So...
> > 
> >       When Shadow Desktop creates an item, it could be flagged as
coming
> > from the desktop in someway. Then when Shadow opens that file (when
> you
> > open it normally), Shadow could scan through, see the new item from
> the
> > desktop, clear the flag, and create the link if you've requested it
> > (always link to ToDo).
> > 
> >       So.. what about ToDo and Datebook links? (lets not even talk
about
> > Address and Memo links yet)
> > 
> >       On the desktop I can create two checkboxes in the right hand
> > panel; "Request ToDo Link" and "Request Datebook link".
> > 
> >       These too would be easiest set up as above.. the link would
come
> > into existance when the list is opened by you.
> > 
> >       Is this acceptible?
> > 
> >       I would prefer to avoid link creation in the conduit for the
same
> > sorts of reasons as doing it in the desktop application. Doing it
> in the
> > handheld application keeps things together.
> > 
> >             jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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8421

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 2:45pm
Subject: RE: Re: Desktop and linking

 
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Wayne Gorton wrote:

> Could the conduit built the To-Do etc on sync back to the HH. If this
> is not possible can you tag/have something run at the end of the
> Hotsync on the HH? These ways it would be created immediately on sync
> and you wouldn't have to worry about the proprietary desktop apps or
> enter Shadow to create?

	Thats one of the options I'd mentioned sort of; we can't schedule
something to run at the end of sync (without adding another conduit, or
moving our conduit to the end). I guess the risks are pretty low, so we
could cause Shadow's conduit to create its links live perhaps.. I just
dislike making sync sessions a little longer, and I worry about other
conduits that may be listening to the ToDo and Datebook databases.

	I'll build the simple link-request stuff in first and then see how
it goes. Worrying up front might be unnecessary worry :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8422

From: Jim Anderson  <jima@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 3:57pm
Subject: RE: Re: Desktop and linking

 
At 04:33 PM 12/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>       Nope; just in the XML. But I want everyone to consider the
>implications of the delay in creation.. ie: That in the easiest solution
>(for me ;) the new items wouldnt' show up in ToDo until they'd opened
>the
>list on the handheld (could be days later, for instance).

What about adding a menu choice to open/close all lists?  This action would 
step through all of the lists, opening each one, performing any updates, 
then automatically closing it.  It would be an extra, manual step, but it 
would allow the user to schedule when that (potentially) time-consuming 
task happens.
8423

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Desktop and linking

 
From time and ease of use and ease of development for you Jeff, based on what I've read, seems the option that links with the next opening of Shadow would be most beneficial.  Easy to open Shadow once to make it happen.  If that becomes a problem for too many people then you could consider the conduit stuff, but I'd rather not take the chance right now with all the other work you are doing of messing up a conduit that could then take substantial time to get it right.  Just my thoughts, noting I don't know all the required development details.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:45 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: Desktop and linking


  On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Wayne Gorton wrote:

  > Could the conduit built the To-Do etc on sync back to the HH. If this
  > is not possible can you tag/have something run at the end of the
  > Hotsync on the HH? These ways it would be created immediately on sync
  > and you wouldn't have to worry about the proprietary desktop apps or
  > enter Shadow to create?

        Thats one of the options I'd mentioned sort of; we can't schedule
  something to run at the end of sync (without adding another conduit, or
  moving our conduit to the end). I guess the risks are pretty low, so we
  could cause Shadow's conduit to create its links live perhaps.. I just
  dislike making sync sessions a little longer, and I worry about other
  conduits that may be listening to the ToDo and Datebook databases.

        I'll build the simple link-request stuff in first and then see how
  it goes. Worrying up front might be unnecessary worry :)

              jeff

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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8424

From: gf_gollum gf_gollum@y...  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:57pm
Subject: Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)

 
Well having been recommended Textplus in this forum, I found it to be an excellent product. The problem is that have waited unsuccessfully for 7 days for my registration code to arrive. E-mails to their addresses are all retuened as "no such host".. I guess I should conclude that they have ceased trading?

Anyway.. anyone wanting a New Year present from Smartcell should beware at the moment. Don't waste you money
Regards
Graham
8425

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:21pm
Subject: Re: Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)

 
would guess maybe the Christmas holidays have more to do with your problem!  I prefer WordComplete any how, and am waiting for their update to OS5 units!
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gf_gollum <gf_gollum@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:57 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)


  Well having been recommended Textplus in this forum, I found it to be an excellent product. The problem is that have waited unsuccessfully for 7 days for my registration code to arrive. E-mails to their addresses are all retuened as "no such host".. I guess I should conclude that they have ceased trading?

  Anyway.. anyone wanting a New Year present from Smartcell should beware at the moment. Don't waste you money
  Regards
  Graham



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8426

From: gf_gollum gf_gollum@y...  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
wrote:
> would guess maybe the Christmas holidays have more to do with your
problem!  

Possibly - but I don't see why "host not found" errors should be
generated from an SMTP delivery. Sort of implies that their server
isn't their anymore.

Anyway... If it is just Xmas then any professional organisation should
have some  "out of office" type notification on their systems at the
very least!

Anyway - I'm interested why you selected Wordcomplete over Textplus
(other than support :-). Textplus seems to be far more configurable
and faster than Wordcomplete. Also Wordcomplete failed to work (for
me) in some applications (like Shadow - where it dropped the first
character when entering texts into new entries). TextComplete works
just fine however.
8427

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:15pm
Subject: Re: TextPlus vs. WordComplete AND CrossingOver

 
Didn't know the server details, but sounds like bigger problems, like their server is down!  Oh well, from the number of people that i have read in other forums buying their product, would expect them to be back real soon.

As for WordComplete, I like it because it was much less bulky on the screen.  A little box would appear with some suggested words compared to the large space required for TextPlus.  I too would expect some fixes with the OS5 upgrade, as it is taking them forever to get something out.  If it is not working well after this opportunity to fix it up for all programs, then obviously i'll look elsewhere...or nowhere!  But for now, i'm willing to wait merely so i can see most of my screen in a program when it pops up.

Also...for those of you that liked MiddleCapsHack, noticed someone did it for the OS5 users called CrossingOver and it works great thus far for me.  I loved it and missed it dearly, now it is just a 2K program in the background that does the same thing, with no hack, etc.  Here is the link...oh ya, and it is FREEWARE!...
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=10360520021204234115&prodID=45513

Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gf_gollum <gf_gollum@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:56 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)


  --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
  wrote:
  > would guess maybe the Christmas holidays have more to do with your
  problem!  

  Possibly - but I don't see why "host not found" errors should be
  generated from an SMTP delivery. Sort of implies that their server
  isn't their anymore.

  Anyway... If it is just Xmas then any professional organisation should
  have some  "out of office" type notification on their systems at the
  very least!

  Anyway - I'm interested why you selected Wordcomplete over Textplus
  (other than support :-). Textplus seems to be far more configurable
  and faster than Wordcomplete. Also Wordcomplete failed to work (for
  me) in some applications (like Shadow - where it dropped the first
  character when entering texts into new entries). TextComplete works
  just fine however.




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8428

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 0:23am
Subject: SP Bug report: Broken link after deleting ToDo

 
Sorry if this has already been reported - I coulnt find any ref to it
on the codejedi bugs list.

Problem:
I Deleted a linked item in the ToDo App.
Selecting the shadw list warned of broken link - selected 'sever'
Next time I opened the list I got the warning again.  I even selected
'Sever' again, then manually saved the list. Same result again.
One thing that did stop the problem was making a change to the list.
After either adding a new item or moving an existing item, I no longer
received the broken link warning.

Configuration:
Running 2.6.0 registered on a IIIc. (All hacks disabled).

TIA

Just found http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/6783
After reading that the only thing I dont understand is why the severed
links arnt deleted when I do a manual save (without making any other
changes).
8429

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 0:31am
Subject: Re: SP Bug report: Broken link after deleting ToDo

 
exactly right, you need to do something in the list to make it go away!
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vjornes <vjornes@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:23 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] SP Bug report: Broken link after deleting ToDo


  Sorry if this has already been reported - I coulnt find any ref to it
  on the codejedi bugs list.

  Problem:
  I Deleted a linked item in the ToDo App.
  Selecting the shadw list warned of broken link - selected 'sever'
  Next time I opened the list I got the warning again.  I even selected
  'Sever' again, then manually saved the list. Same result again.
  One thing that did stop the problem was making a change to the list.
  After either adding a new item or moving an existing item, I no longer
  received the broken link warning.

  Configuration:
  Running 2.6.0 registered on a IIIc. (All hacks disabled).

  TIA

  Just found http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/6783
  After reading that the only thing I dont understand is why the severed
  links arnt deleted when I do a manual save (without making any other
  changes).


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8430

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 0:44am
Subject: Re: SP Bug report: Broken link after deleting ToDo

 
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, vjornes <vjornes@y...> wrote:

> Sorry if this has already been reported - I coulnt find any ref to it
> on the codejedi bugs list.
> 
> Problem:
> I Deleted a linked item in the ToDo App.
> Selecting the shadw list warned of broken link - selected 'sever'
> Next time I opened the list I got the warning again.  I even selected
> 'Sever' again, then manually saved the list. Same result again.
> One thing that did stop the problem was making a change to the list.
> After either adding a new item or moving an existing item, I no longer
> received the broken link warning.

	Known and by design from way back. (ie: The sever-all operation
only takes once something has been changed. It will be ignored otherwise,
so you can back-out. (I was experimenting with a series of undo-able
operations and thats the only one I left in :))

> Just found http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/6783
> After reading that the only thing I dont understand is why the severed
> links arnt deleted when I do a manual save (without making any other
> changes).

	If nothing has changed, a manual save doesn't save either
:) (no changes to save; the sever-all doesn't count as a change.)

	Its just one of those things :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8431

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 0:52am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
I can certainly sympathise with avoiding non-standard behaviour -
theres always something unexpected that ends up requiring work-arounds
to work-arounds.

It seems that we need something to run after the conduit has done its
job.  I know some apps can run as part of/upon a soft reset.  How
about setting a flag to cause a soft reset if the DT requests a new
link to be added, and run the code to do the link creation upon the
forced reset.  Soft resets dont usually take long and no data is lost
(AFAIK).

If there are only two options I'd prefer something that runs when SP
itself is run - rather than having to open each list individually
which wouldn't help me much (I split my different Todo categories over
different lists).


> 	Remember, it would only pop into existance after you open the
> list. I coudl try and build a system to make this happen say the first
> time you run Shadow, or I could make it process links during the
> sync.. but that could be "odd" for other conduits...
> 		jeff
8432

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 1:06am
Subject: Re: Megawiki WAS: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "neilbothams
<neil.bothams@b...>" <neil.bothams@b...> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Can any users of megawiki help me out here?  How do I do what Jeff is 
> suggesting.  I have zero knowledge of megawiki.  I had a quick look a 
> couple of months ago and was put off (unusual - I normally love 
> getting to grips with new software).
> 
> I am UK based and happy to call someone to work thru this.  Thanks 
> for all your help as ever.
> 
> Bye for now
> Neil
> 
> 
> > 	MegaWiki and LinkerHack could certainly do most of this.
> > 
> > 	I am tempted to add some "tricks" to Find to let you jump to 
> lists
> > and views and filters...
> > 
> > 	Like a Find for:
> > 
> > 	"Shadow/Myfile/MyView/Myfilter" that sort of thing. That 
> would be
> > interesting :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
8433

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 1:14am
Subject: Re: Re: Desktop and linking

 
Isn't the second suggestion Jeff made what you are looking for?  When you run Shadow at all it does the linking, as compared to even having to open that same list...isn't that what you desire?  
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vjornes <vjornes@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:52 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Desktop and linking


  I can certainly sympathise with avoiding non-standard behaviour -
  theres always something unexpected that ends up requiring work-arounds
  to work-arounds.

  It seems that we need something to run after the conduit has done its
  job.  I know some apps can run as part of/upon a soft reset.  How
  about setting a flag to cause a soft reset if the DT requests a new
  link to be added, and run the code to do the link creation upon the
  forced reset.  Soft resets dont usually take long and no data is lost
  (AFAIK).

  If there are only two options I'd prefer something that runs when SP
  itself is run - rather than having to open each list individually
  which wouldn't help me much (I split my different Todo categories over
  different lists).


  >       Remember, it would only pop into existance after you open the
  > list. I coudl try and build a system to make this happen say the first
  > time you run Shadow, or I could make it process links during the
  > sync.. but that could be "odd" for other conduits...
  >             jeff


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8434

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 1:19am
Subject: Re: Megawiki WAS: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
Let me try that again - I'll try adding some text this time :-)

Megawiki is really worth getting to grips with (IMO) - try the
Quickstart manual...
http://www.megawiki.com/pages/QuickStart
- that'll give you a good idea of the power of it all.

To add links to shadow lists and/or items is easy - I can send you my
piki config memo if that would help - there is acutally a demo one in
the MW installation.
- just contact me off list if you need help.

HOWEVER, I dont think theres any way to get Shadow to open a specific
file WITH a specific filter and view.  AFAIK you always get the filter
and view that was applied when you exited out of that list.
I think thats what Jeff was alluding to by 'adding tricks'.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "neilbothams
<neil.bothams@b...>" <neil.bothams@b...> wrote:
> Can any users of megawiki help me out here?  How do I do what Jeff is 
> suggesting.  I have zero knowledge of megawiki.  I had a quick look a 
> couple of months ago and was put off (unusual - I normally love 
> getting to grips with new software).
> I am UK based and happy to call someone to work thru this.  Thanks 
> for all your help as ever.

> 
> > 	MegaWiki and LinkerHack could certainly do most of this.
> > 
> > 	I am tempted to add some "tricks" to Find to let you jump to 
> lists
> > and views and filters...
> > 
> > 	Like a Find for:
> > 
> > 	"Shadow/Myfile/MyView/Myfilter" that sort of thing. That 
> would be
> > interesting :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
8435

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 1:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Desktop and linking

 
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, vjornes <vjornes@y...> wrote:

> I can certainly sympathise with avoiding non-standard behaviour -
> theres always something unexpected that ends up requiring work-arounds
> to work-arounds.
> 
> It seems that we need something to run after the conduit has done its
> job.  I know some apps can run as part of/upon a soft reset.  How
> about setting a flag to cause a soft reset if the DT requests a new
> link to be added, and run the code to do the link creation upon the
> forced reset.  Soft resets dont usually take long and no data is lost
> (AFAIK).

	Naaah, theres better methods than this. I'm just planning to spend
most of my time working on other things, so a quick but useful fix is
good, especially if it leads to a better aggregate solution down the road.
I'll meditate on it :)

> If there are only two options I'd prefer something that runs when SP
> itself is run - rather than having to open each list individually
> which wouldn't help me much (I split my different Todo categories over
> different lists).

	yeah, I could add a "scan for links" type operation, but I'd more
likely make it automatic.. after you sync, first run would do it or the
like. Would have to be an option of course..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8436

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 1:32am
Subject: Re: Linking files not items

 
Just install MegaWiki: create a link to Shadow called 'Morning Routine
- click on it and you will be taken directly into the shadow file
called "Morning Routine".  (It does have an added advantage that you
can jump right back to db5.)

To be honest, for this simple example Jeffs suggestion is a lot
simpler - have a Morning routine item with the details as children,
after all, that's what an outliners all about - hiding detail.

> For example, I want to create a file named Morning Routine.  The 
> items in that file will contain breakfast, clean kitchen, feed cats, 
> etc.
> 
> I want to link Morning Routine to DateBk 5.  I do not want the items 
> in that file to show up in the to do list.  I only want to see 
> Morning Routine.
> 
> Help??
8437

From: neilbothams neil.bothams@b...  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Megawiki WAS: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
> Megawiki is really worth getting to grips with (IMO) - try the
> Quickstart manual...
> http://www.megawiki.com/pages/QuickStart
> - that'll give you a good idea of the power of it all.

Yes I had found this already.  It does give me a good feel.  Also 
found the megawiki forum after posting this!

> To add links to shadow lists and/or items is easy - I can send you 
my
> piki config memo if that would help - there is acutally a demo one 
in
> the MW installation.
> - just contact me off list if you need help.

A config memo would be appreciated.  I will try and set this up and 
see how I go.  

 
> HOWEVER, I dont think theres any way to get Shadow to open a 
specific
> file WITH a specific filter and view.  AFAIK you always get the 
filter
> and view that was applied when you exited out of that list.

For me the filter is more important than view.  I am also trying to 
achieve this through macroplay which should follow keystrokes (but 
not grafitti.  However the way macroplay needs menus to be written 
may not be compatible with SP :-(  I have some info on how macroplay 
is written if Jeff is interested.

Jeff - where you imagining it was possible to select filters using 
megawiki?  Any interest in making macroplay work with SP?

Alternatively is there a way of changing the way the menu of filters 
are displayed 

OPTION 1
I can choose to order the filter list as I want it

OPTION 2
I can choose to put filters into two categories - one set that appear 
as now (including custom) and one where all other filters are 
available but this second set are placed at the bottom of the list or 
require an extra tap.  


The power of being able to jump from Datebook to a particular 
filtered SP list is quite awesome even if I havent explained it that 
well yet ;-)
8438

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Megawiki WAS: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, neilbothams <neil.bothams@b...> wrote:

> Jeff - where you imagining it was possible to select filters using 
> megawiki?  Any interest in making macroplay work with SP?

	Never heard of macroplay.

	I had considered making certain Find strings do certain things, as
I think you could set up MegaWiki to use thoe strings. Or perhaps setup
another little app that knows how to launch Shadow and tell it to go to
certain views, or something. *shrug*. Tough to do well.

> Alternatively is there a way of changing the way the menu of filters 
> are displayed 
> 
> OPTION 1
> I can choose to order the filter list as I want it

	We'll likely put up/down pusher arrows on the filter listing.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8439

From: neilbothams neil.bothams@b...  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 10:51am
Subject: Re: Megawiki WAS: How to jump to the right list of tasks from datebook

 
Happy New Year all!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 	Never heard of macroplay.

Have sent you an email with some details

 
> 	I had considered making certain Find strings do certain 
things, as
> I think you could set up MegaWiki to use thoe strings. Or perhaps 
setup
> another little app that knows how to launch Shadow and tell it to 
go to
> certain views, or something. *shrug*. Tough to do well.

Sounds like Nirvana ;-)


> > Alternatively is there a way of changing the way the menu of 
filters 
> > are displayed 
> > 
> 	We'll likely put up/down pusher arrows on the filter listing.
> 

Cool!

Neil
8440

From: gf_gollum gf_gollum@y...  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> would guess maybe the Christmas holidays have more to do with your 
problem!  
Registration code appeared to day after an e-mail to Palmgear.. No 
explanation for the delya thought :-)
Graham
8441

From: imhvfn fkissam@b...  <fkissam@b...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: Good desktop outliner and synch with Palm?

 
I am looking for a good and easy PC desktop outliner that will synch 
well with the Palm.

I would like to know of a comparison among:  Shadowplan, Progect, 
EccoPro, and other available choices. 

does anybody have any comparisons or strong opinions?

Thank you.
8442

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 4:33pm
Subject: Re: shadow and outlook gtd add-in

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "amelchi2001 
<alessandromelchiorre@i...>" <alessandromelchiorre@i...> wrote:
>
> I think Shadow will be the best Palm apllication to match the 
> GTD outook add-in; its capabilities of grouping to-dos is the 
> lacking feature of the too simple To-do default application.

Where can I get more info on the GTD Outlook Add-in?
8443

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
> down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
> editor.. thoughts?

How about doing away with the mini editor and using in place editing 
like thought manager?

Although I have found that using MegaWiki to link out of 
ThoughtManager doesn't work unless you use the Clipi add-in. But 
since you can link out of ShadowPlan to other SP files and the Basic-
4, even if MegaWiki wouldn't link out of SP with in-place editing it 
wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
8444

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 5:18pm
Subject: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> Doesn't the program PowerRun take care of this issue?  From what i 
read and recall from my own use, seems to do what you are looking to 
do.  Anyone know for sure?

I downloaded PowerRun. From the manual I can see a few problems but 
they may be tolerable.

* Hot Sync will not backup that application and its data. Therefore 
I will have to set BackupBuddy to backup the memory stick. Of 
course, I probably would have had to do that anyway to keep from 
loosing my huge lists.

* Global find cannot find data in that application, except when the 
application is running. This would mean I couldn't use MegaWiki to 
link to SP files form other applications.

* Application conduits will not work. Forget about using the desktop 
application. I think this one would be the deal breaker for me.
8445

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 6:06pm
Subject: Re: Good desktop outliner and synch with Palm?

 
Strong opinion...Shadowplan.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: imhvfn <fkissam@b...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:28 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Good desktop outliner and synch with Palm?


  I am looking for a good and easy PC desktop outliner that will synch 
  well with the Palm.

  I would like to know of a comparison among:  Shadowplan, Progect, 
  EccoPro, and other available choices. 

  does anybody have any comparisons or strong opinions?

  Thank you.   


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8446

From: T L Holaday  <0zo4vmfs02@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Good desktop outliner and synch with Palm?

 
> I would like to know of a comparison among:  Shadowplan, Progect, 
> EccoPro, and other available choices.

Shadowplan lets you outline both on the Palm and on the desktop with the 
Shadowplan destop application.  It links to other Palm applications on the 
Palm (so an unskilled user can do something straightforward in the outliner 
which causes an entry to appear in the Datebook or the ToDo list, for 
example, and who knows what a skilled user might be able to pull off).  It 
is under active development, so future enhancements would seem to require 
getting the developer's attention and compensating him.

EccoPro lets you outline on the desktop but not on the Palm (outlines are 
synched as memos), and replaces the Palm Desktop with its own very capable 
integrated application (the Palm Desktop will no longer synch with the 
Palm).  It has an active user community, but the source code to the engine 
is lost, so future enhancements would seem to require (a) reverse 
engineering (b) DDE stuff (c) filters (d) learn assember and sneer or (e) 
rediscovery of the source code.
8447

From: neilbothams neil.bothams@b...  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 9:41pm
Subject: Re: shadow and outlook gtd add-in

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "amelchi2001 
<alessandromelchiorre@i...>" <alessandromelchiorre@i...> wrote:

> "...the problem is that the Project list is a sort of collecting 
task of 
> many different tasks (send an email, phone to somebody, write 
> down an article, etc...) that after becomes actions... in GTDOA 
> they are related and grouped adding a field to the records (the 
> field Project) but in Palm todo? they are only a collection of 
> individual tasks with no grouping (under the project name) and 
> no relationships with actions..."
> 
> please think of it, many many users of Outlook will be grateful!
> 
> 
> thanks
> alessandro

Just to let you know that I am working with both this add-in and 
taskline which can be found at www.taskline.info

Taskline helps you schedule tasks (i.e copy them into your calendar) 
based on due by dates i.e. finds the way to make sure you hit your 
deadlines.  You just need to tell taskline how long you estimate each 
task will take.

Neil
8448

From: cyndideal cyndeal@b...  <cyndeal@b...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 1:13am
Subject: Re: Smartcell (Textplus / Pictureplus)

 
Hi Graham,

I was the one who recommended TextPlus. I checked their website and 
it seemed ok so I wrote them. They responded so I am forwarding their 
response to you. It seems that they have done some hardware changes 
and may have lost email. Hope all is resolved quickly.

Sincerely,

Cyndi Deal

their response:

Please forward us the order number or the username for the order.
We need this information to locate his order.

We had done a server upgrade recently.  During this process some
email may have been lost.  We apologize for any inconvenience this
may have caused you.

SmartCell Technology Support

Can you forward
8449

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:42am
Subject: Re: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> > 	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
> > down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
> > editor.. thoughts?
> 
> How about doing away with the mini editor and using in place editing 
> like thought manager?

	We'll see. The ME is handy since it still keeps some item
context.. you can bring up the detail window easily and such. Doing away
with the ME and just using pure inline would be good for writers I
imagine, but detaches things from the details windows so we'd have to add
some systems there. We'll see.. got other things in the sites right now.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8450

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:43am
Subject: Re: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> * Application conduits will not work. Forget about using the desktop 
> application. I think this one would be the deal breaker for me.

	Shadow will sync if the application is on card.. as long as
ShadowSync is in main memory. ShadowSync is about 3k so no one can
complain about it :) (We deliberately built it so you could offload Shadow
and safe 250k of main RAM :) (Prior to Shadow 2.6 you needed Shadow in
main memory)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8451

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:54am
Subject: Paranoid?

 
Had an idea today (thanks Mr. Tomato!)...

	A global pref for those whose data is super important (needs to
survive a crash, dropping of the unit and smashing it, etc).

	"Save every 5 minutes when unit is on"?

	Thoughts?

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8452

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:29am
Subject: Re: Paranoid?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	Had an idea today (thanks Mr. Tomato!)...
> 
> 	A global pref for those whose data is super important (needs 
to
> survive a crash, dropping of the unit and smashing it, etc).
> 
> 	"Save every 5 minutes when unit is on"?
> 
> 	Thoughts?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

hmm, new sig line ... ;-)

Maybe 10 or 15 minutes, I don't achieve that much in 5 minutes, my 
graffiti is hopeless.  How would that affect SP if I am working in 
it, would it noticeable when the save occured?

Rita
8453

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 6:07am
Subject: Re: Paranoid?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> 
> 	Had an idea today (thanks Mr. Tomato!)...
> 
> 	A global pref for those whose data is super important (needs to
> survive a crash, dropping of the unit and smashing it, etc).
> 
> 	"Save every 5 minutes when unit is on"?
> 
> 	Thoughts?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

I've always saved at "critical points" manually since its so easy...

I kinda don't like the performance interruption you get from automatic
saves... even on a PC...

<shrug> (as long as their'd be a way to turn it off... but I *don't*
need to say that ... do I! :) )

Ken
8454

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 7:20am
Subject: Re: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
i like the handler for next field idea!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: faster dismiss of mini editor


  On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

  > >       I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
  > > down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
  > > editor.. thoughts?
  > 
  > How about doing away with the mini editor and using in place editing 
  > like thought manager?

        We'll see. The ME is handy since it still keeps some item
  context.. you can bring up the detail window easily and such. Doing away
  with the ME and just using pure inline would be good for writers I
  imagine, but detaches things from the details windows so we'd have to add
  some systems there. We'll see.. got other things in the sites right now.

              jeff

  --
  "Have you played Atari today?"


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8455

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 7:21am
Subject: Re: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
and it syncs fine with it used through PowerRun too!
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?


  On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

  > * Application conduits will not work. Forget about using the desktop 
  > application. I think this one would be the deal breaker for me.

        Shadow will sync if the application is on card.. as long as
  ShadowSync is in main memory. ShadowSync is about 3k so no one can
  complain about it :) (We deliberately built it so you could offload Shadow
  and safe 250k of main RAM :) (Prior to Shadow 2.6 you needed Shadow in
  main memory)

              jeff

  --
  "Have you played Atari today?"


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8456

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 7:23am
Subject: Re: Paranoid?

 
or save every 5 minutes IF it is not being used right then, since it is pretty quick to save it seems, unless the saving does not interrupt use in any noticeable manner.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:54 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Paranoid?



        Had an idea today (thanks Mr. Tomato!)...

        A global pref for those whose data is super important (needs to
  survive a crash, dropping of the unit and smashing it, etc).

        "Save every 5 minutes when unit is on"?

        Thoughts?

              jeff

  --
  "Have you played Atari today?"


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8457

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Paranoid?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, rblanzan <rblanzan@i...> wrote:

> > "Have you played Atari today?"
> 
> hmm, new sig line ... ;-)

	Yeah, kept my last one going for about 3 years.. figured it was
time for a change :)

> Maybe 10 or 15 minutes, I don't achieve that much in 5 minutes, my
> graffiti is hopeless.  How would that affect SP if I am working in it,
> would it noticeable when the save occured?

	Only if its noticable when you save now.. ie: For very large
files. Thats why it woudl be an option.. just a security for people who
really dont' want to lose anything. *shrug*.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8458

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 1:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> i like the handler for next field idea!

	Its in the current alpha, so should be in next release.

	I'm thinking of getting 2.7 out soon with not any giant changes,
but good and solid for the new units. Then get a quick 2.8 out with
virtual grafitti and maybe some other stuff.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8459

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 1:59pm
Subject: Re: Paranoid?

 
Don't know if this would be much more difficult, but why not make it a
per-file configurable option (enter number of minutes, 0 to disable)?

-Tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, rblanzan <rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> 
> > > "Have you played Atari today?"
> > 
> > hmm, new sig line ... ;-)
> 
> 	Yeah, kept my last one going for about 3 years.. figured it was
> time for a change :)
> 
> > Maybe 10 or 15 minutes, I don't achieve that much in 5 minutes, my
> > graffiti is hopeless.  How would that affect SP if I am working in it,
> > would it noticeable when the save occured?
> 
> 	Only if its noticable when you save now.. ie: For very large
> files. Thats why it woudl be an option.. just a security for people who
> really dont' want to lose anything. *shrug*.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
8460

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 2:09pm
Subject: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
I think MegaWiki uses the field-up field-down graffiti strokes to
handle next-app/previous-app switching (unless it's EasyLaunch, i'm
not really sure, I just noticed it and haven't isolated it).

How will Shadow interface with this when it's implemented?

-Tom
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> 
> > i like the handler for next field idea!
> 
> 	Its in the current alpha, so should be in next release.
> 
> 	I'm thinking of getting 2.7 out soon with not any giant changes,
> but good and solid for the new units. Then get a quick 2.8 out with
> virtual grafitti and maybe some other stuff.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
8461

From: Juan A. Barcia  <Juan.A.Barcia@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 2:22pm
Subject: Colors

 
Jeff:
The color theming idea is great.
However,  I miss another application of coloring items. Would it be possible
to color the text of each item depending on an item's feature?. So one could
choose to uniformly color one category, priority, indentation level or
past/future due. For example, one could choose to color priority 1 with a
chosen color (red), priority 2 in orange, priority 3 in green, an so on.
This could be a list preference or a customizable view. This would add
clarity and reduce visual clutter, letting one to eliminate a column of
information or an indentation space from a view.
Sorry if this idea has been already discussed before.

Juan.


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8462

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> I think MegaWiki uses the field-up field-down graffiti strokes to
> handle next-app/previous-app switching (unless it's EasyLaunch, i'm
> not really sure, I just noticed it and haven't isolated it).
> 
> How will Shadow interface with this when it's implemented?

	Depends how they've implemented the Hack. It would be likely
Shadow woudln't see that grafitti stroke if the Hack gobbles it.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8463

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Colors

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Juan A. Barcia wrote:

> The color theming idea is great.

	Wait till 2.7.. its pretty neat.

> However, I miss another application of coloring items. Would it be
> possible to color the text of each item depending on an item's
> feature?. So one could choose to uniformly color one category,
> priority, indentation level or past/future due. For example, one could
> choose to color priority 1 with a chosen color (red), priority 2 in
> orange, priority 3 in green, an so on. This could be a list preference
> or a customizable view. This would add clarity and reduce visual
> clutter, letting one to eliminate a column of information or an
> indentation space from a view. Sorry if this idea has been already
> discussed before.

	This sort of thign will come a little later; I'm going to totally
revamp the "hilight" subsystem, so you can have multiple hilights
(perhaps), and hilights being custom filters.. so you can define them
arbitrarily.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8464

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 2:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
I must have missed something here-- but I am concerned about using the 
field up and down graffiti strokes in Shadow-- that's how Screenshot is 
activated. What purpose would these keystrokes serve in the program?

tsuchy wrote:

>I think MegaWiki uses the field-up field-down graffiti strokes to
>handle next-app/previous-app switching (unless it's EasyLaunch, i'm
>not really sure, I just noticed it and haven't isolated it).
>
>How will Shadow interface with this when it's implemented?
>
>>>i like the handler for next field idea!
>>>      
>>>
>>	Its in the current alpha, so should be in next release.
>>
>>	I'm thinking of getting 2.7 out soon with not any giant changes,
>>but good and solid for the new units. Then get a quick 2.8 out with
>>virtual grafitti and maybe some other stuff.
>>
>>		jeff
>>    
>>


-- 

Jen

http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
8465

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 4:10pm
Subject: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:
> 
> > * Application conduits will not work. Forget about using the 
desktop 
> > application. I think this one would be the deal breaker for me.
> 
> 	Shadow will sync if the application is on card.. as long as
> ShadowSync is in main memory. ShadowSync is about 3k so no one can
> complain about it :) (We deliberately built it so you could 
offload Shadow
> and safe 250k of main RAM :) (Prior to Shadow 2.6 you needed 
Shadow in
> main memory)

I should have left more info in my reply. The message I was replying 
to had suggested PowerRun. This utility works by moving an app and 
all it's files to a special folder on the memory card. It is not the 
same as using the standard methods to move an app to the memory 
card. Since ShadoPlan and all it's files would be in that specisl 
folder I seriously doubt that ShadoSync would be able to find them 
there. Plus, the PowerRun documentation also says the special folder 
is not backed up on hotsync.

I really think I am just going to have to wait and see what kind of 
memory card support is built into OS5 or OS6. I can't believe how 
much info is NOT out there about OS5.
8466

From: scooterinjapan scooterinjapan@y...  <scooterinjapan@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 4:10pm
Subject: Just curious...

 
Hey, Jeff. What's the status of the OS X version of the desktop 
app? I'm just now switching to OS X, and want to use Shadow on 
my Mac.

Thanks!

Scott Ponzani
Tokyo, Japan
8467

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 4:14pm
Subject: SP & PowerRun, syncing?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> 
wrote:
> and it syncs fine with it used through PowerRun too!

Kevin, Please tell me exactly how you have this set up. Did you put 
only the SP app in PowerRun or the app and all the files. Or did you 
put only the SP data files in the PowerRun folder?
8468

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:

> I must have missed something here-- but I am concerned about using the 
> field up and down graffiti strokes in Shadow-- that's how Screenshot is 
> activated. What purpose would these keystrokes serve in the program?

	As a rule, we do not design applications around Hacks. Hacks are
designed around applications. If someone is using well defined grafitti
strokes for a Hack, they need to be shot :) But ScreenshotHack is
activated by going from top->bottom (and the reverse) in the grafitti app
areas.. from Calc to Find and that sort. It shouldnt' care abuot using
Next field.

	The current goal is to make ity easier for someone to use grafitti
to toss out the mini editor withotu reachign for the checkbox on the
screen. Do keyboards have a NExt Field key? If so, it woudl be cool for
them too, perhaps.. thoguh they have OK which shoudl already work for the
mini editor.

		jeff

> 
> tsuchy wrote:
> 
> >I think MegaWiki uses the field-up field-down graffiti strokes to
> >handle next-app/previous-app switching (unless it's EasyLaunch, i'm
> >not really sure, I just noticed it and haven't isolated it).
> >
> >How will Shadow interface with this when it's implemented?
> >
> >>>i like the handler for next field idea!
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>	Its in the current alpha, so should be in next release.
> >>
> >>	I'm thinking of getting 2.7 out soon with not any giant changes,
> >>but good and solid for the new units. Then get a quick 2.8 out with
> >>virtual grafitti and maybe some other stuff.
> >>
> >>		jeff
> >>    
> >>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> to had suggested PowerRun. This utility works by moving an app and 
> all it's files to a special folder on the memory card. It is not the 
> same as using the standard methods to move an app to the memory 
> card. Since ShadoPlan and all it's files would be in that specisl 
> folder I seriously doubt that ShadoSync would be able to find them 
> there. Plus, the PowerRun documentation also says the special folder 
> is not backed up on hotsync.

	Ahh; ShadowSync only syncs (currently) files in main memory,
true.. so if yuo swallowed the Shadow list files, you'd be out of luck. In
the future I intend on having ShadowSync smart enough to unswap the
datafiles for the duration of the sync though, to make it work (that was
one of the design goals of ShadowSync).

> I really think I am just going to have to wait and see what kind of
> memory card support is built into OS5 or OS6. I can't believe how much
> info is NOT out there about OS5.

	OS5 is like OS4 but better :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Just curious...

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, scooterinjapan <scooterinjapan@y...> wrote:

> Hey, Jeff. What's the status of the OS X version of the desktop 
> app? I'm just now switching to OS X, and want to use Shadow on 
> my Mac.

	We lost a couple of months on it due to famil tragedy type
stuff. I'm especting to pop another alpha out ASAP (day or two max), and I
want to get it to beta fast,a nd I want that beta to get out the door. So
I'm hoping not too long at all. I'm sicking of havnig that beeting around
the bush :)

		jeff

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8471

From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 6:34pm
Subject: Completion activates next task ?

 
Hello,

Is there any software that has the capability to do something when you check
off a task as completed?

I'm currently reading a book on organizing, and it occurred to me that there
are many instances where there is something that is a "project" (which could be
something as small as a home task that first requires something to be done,
such a buying a tool) that has some later tasks which are dependent on the
completion of earlier ones.

In the organizing system, there is no point in bringing the later items to
attention until the first task is done.  However, I think most systems depend
on a "review" of the Projects list in order to get the later tasks pushed into
the forefront once the prerequisite tasks are finished.

I think it would be save time and be more efficient to have the software
automatically do something about the next task once the prerequisite task has
been checked off.   Exactly what it should do depends on how the user has setup
his organizing system.  For example, in a GtD system, it might be putting the
next task into an "inbox" or "action" list.

Does any software have this capability?

PS  I've barely started using Shadow, so it might already have this capability
somewhere and I haven't yet noticed. :-)


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Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...
8472

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 6:41pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like the 
"magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one item is 
checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .

Ken Stuart wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Is there any software that has the capability to do something when you check
>off a task as completed?
>
>I'm currently reading a book on organizing, and it occurred to me that there
>are many instances where there is something that is a "project" (which could be
>something as small as a home task that first requires something to be done,
>such a buying a tool) that has some later tasks which are dependent on the
>completion of earlier ones.
>
>In the organizing system, there is no point in bringing the later items to
>attention until the first task is done.  However, I think most systems depend
>on a "review" of the Projects list in order to get the later tasks pushed into
>the forefront once the prerequisite tasks are finished.
>
>I think it would be save time and be more efficient to have the software
>automatically do something about the next task once the prerequisite task has
>been checked off.   Exactly what it should do depends on how the user has setup
>his organizing system.  For example, in a GtD system, it might be putting the
>next task into an "inbox" or "action" list.
>
>Does any software have this capability?
>
>PS  I've barely started using Shadow, so it might already have this capability
>somewhere and I haven't yet noticed. :-)
>


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8473

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ken Stuart wrote:

> I'm currently reading a book on organizing, and it occurred to me that there
> are many instances where there is something that is a "project" (which could be
> something as small as a home task that first requires something to be done,
> such a buying a tool) that has some later tasks which are dependent on the
> completion of earlier ones.
> 
> In the organizing system, there is no point in bringing the later items to
> attention until the first task is done.  However, I think most systems depend
> on a "review" of the Projects list in order to get the later tasks pushed into
> the forefront once the prerequisite tasks are finished.

Task
o Part 1
o Part 2
o Part 3

	Filter: Next Step Only.

	Really, somethign I would like to add (like in MSproject, but make
it somethign peopel can understand and use easily) is relations.. you
really want to make Part 3 depend on Part 2 and Part 2 depend on PArt
1.. and thus see how long the relational group takes to do, and show you
only the next dependant, etc.

	Right now Next Step assumes the dependany by location in the list,
which is sort of a pain.

> I think it would be save time and be more efficient to have the
> software automatically do something about the next task once the
> prerequisite task has been checked off.  Exactly what it should do
> depends on how the user has setup his organizing system.  For example,
> in a GtD system, it might be putting the next task into an "inbox" or
> "action" list.

	Thats an interesting idea. If you can think of a general way of
doign things, it could be possible.. without writing a whole scringing
language :)

	Its almost like you need a mapping..

	Item becomes comlpete -> Move to "Done" item or list

	But I'm not sure what actions shoudl be on the left, and what
actions should be on the right.

> Does any software have this capability?

	Probably not. A good question. 

	Sort of a long the lines of "workflow" management.. hmm. An
interesting topic.

> PS I've barely started using Shadow, so it might already have this
> capability somewhere and I haven't yet noticed. :-)

	We do it differently.. moving things are via magic scares people.

		jeff

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8474

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:

> That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like the 
> "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one item is 
> checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .

	We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next item
auto-links to ToDo.

		jeff

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8475

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 7:52pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
That would be VERY cool for many of my work lists too!  Excellent if that was incorporated...!
Kevin
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  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:42 AM
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  On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:

  > That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like the 
  > "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one item is 
  > checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .

        We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next item
  auto-links to ToDo.

              jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:03pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> That would be VERY cool for many of my work lists too!  Excellent if
> that was incorporated...!

	The worry would this be too annoying?

	ie: This would have to be a list preference (definitely not global
:). OKay, so say you have:

A
. 1
. 2
. 3
B
. 1
. 2

	Completing A.3 should not auto-link B.1. skipping to another
level would be weird. What if A.1 through A.3 are all incomplete, and you
tap on 2 to check it.. should 3 then link? (what about A.1?)

	Theres a lot of questions here, and I'm not sure everyone would
have the same answer.. so could be a lot of work few could use :/ (See,
I've thoguht of a lot of things, but sometimes hold off in the end since
its too ambiguous :)

		jeff

> Kevin
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
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>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:42 AM
>   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Completion activates next task ?
> 
> 
>   On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:
> 
>   > That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like the 
>   > "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one item is 
>   > checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .
> 
>         We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next item
>   auto-links to ToDo.
> 
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:25pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
would think the simple solution as originally stated...

once A3 is completed should never go to B linking as B links within itself if more than one child.  keep each within the first level until its children are completed for this idea.

and on second scenario, up to the user to put them in order if want to use this function.  in your example 1 is first, 2 is second, and 3 is third.  would think until item 1 is completed it would not link item 3 if item 2 is checked.  now if already checked item 2, then finish and check item 1, should then link item 3.

keep it simple and it should work great.  for those not wanting this preference or scenario the simple solution is not to check the preference.  but i think this simple idea adds LOTS to the program for those that have next items in a list, sort of the GTD idea incorporated!

Thanks for considering the inclusion, as the simple scenario does what is intended by this preference it seems.

Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Completion activates next task ?


  On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > That would be VERY cool for many of my work lists too!  Excellent if
  > that was incorporated...!

        The worry would this be too annoying?

        ie: This would have to be a list preference (definitely not global
  :). OKay, so say you have:

  A
  . 1
  . 2
  . 3
  B
  . 1
  . 2

        Completing A.3 should not auto-link B.1. skipping to another
  level would be weird. What if A.1 through A.3 are all incomplete, and you
  tap on 2 to check it.. should 3 then link? (what about A.1?)

        Theres a lot of questions here, and I'm not sure everyone would
  have the same answer.. so could be a lot of work few could use :/ (See,
  I've thoguht of a lot of things, but sometimes hold off in the end since
  its too ambiguous :)

              jeff

  > Kevin
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Jeff Mitchell 
  >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:42 AM
  >   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Completion activates next task ?
  > 
  > 
  >   On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:
  > 
  >   > That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like the 
  >   > "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one item is 
  >   > checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .
  > 
  >         We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next item
  >   auto-links to ToDo.
  > 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> would think the simple solution as originally stated...
> 
> once A3 is completed should never go to B linking as B links within
> itself if more than one child.  keep each within the first level until
> its children are completed for this idea.
> 
> and on second scenario, up to the user to put them in order if want to
> use this function.  in your example 1 is first, 2 is second, and 3 is
> third.  would think until item 1 is completed it would not link item 3
> if item 2 is checked.  now if already checked item 2, then finish and
> check item 1, should then link item 3.

	So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing should
happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)

> keep it simple and it should work great.  for those not wanting this
> preference or scenario the simple solution is not to check the
> preference.  but i think this simple idea adds LOTS to the program for
> those that have next items in a list, sort of the GTD idea
> incorporated!
> 
> Thanks for considering the inclusion, as the simple scenario does what
> is intended by this preference it seems.

	Its never so simple :)

	The rules are so far..

1) A list level preference to enable the feature
2) When an item is completed by explicit checking it off, the next
incomplete item in the same sublevel will get linked to ToDo in the
default category (as configured in list prefs -> opts if I recall right)

	This suggests that if you click 2, then 3 will be linked out, even
if 1 is incomplete. The rule woudl say "dont' do that, though its your
business".

	The next question is..

	What about implicit checkoffs?

A
. 1
. 2
. . i
B
. 1

	A1 is already checked. You check off "i" and thus complete
"2" magicly, and thus "A" is complete. Should "B" then go to ToDo? Or are
"A" and "B" separate and thus only items depeer than the top level are in
this situation?

	Or what if you complete A1.. does "A2" get linekd or "A2i"?

	So it would seem completing A2i actually puts "B" or "B1" into
your todo list.. a level 3 item puts a unrelated level 2 item into the
ToDo list?

	Gets way too ambiguous to me :)

		jeff

> 
> Kevin
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jeff Mitchell 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:03 PM
>   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Completion activates next task ?
> 
> 
>   On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> 
>   > That would be VERY cool for many of my work lists too!  Excellent if
>   > that was incorporated...!
> 
>         The worry would this be too annoying?
> 
>         ie: This would have to be a list preference (definitely not global
>   :). OKay, so say you have:
> 
>   A
>   . 1
>   . 2
>   . 3
>   B
>   . 1
>   . 2
> 
>         Completing A.3 should not auto-link B.1. skipping to another
>   level would be weird. What if A.1 through A.3 are all incomplete, and you
>   tap on 2 to check it.. should 3 then link? (what about A.1?)
> 
>         Theres a lot of questions here, and I'm not sure everyone would
>   have the same answer.. so could be a lot of work few could use :/ (See,
>   I've thoguht of a lot of things, but sometimes hold off in the end since
>   its too ambiguous :)
> 
>               jeff
> 
>   > Kevin
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Jeff Mitchell 
>   >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:42 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Completion activates next task ?
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, PocketGoddess wrote:
>   > 
>   >   > That would be positively FABULOUS!  I'm sure Jeff wouldn't like the 
>   >   > "magical" aspects of it, but an automatic to do link when one item is 
>   >   > checked off would be great. One can only dream. . .
>   > 
>   >         We could add a thing where if you check one item, the next item
>   >   auto-links to ToDo.
>   > 
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From: gf_gollum gf_gollum@y...  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:41pm
Subject: Virtual Grafitti

 
It was "a couple of weeks away", more than a couple of weeks ago. I 
know Xmas and Xcade have taken up your time, but is any revised 
timetable available please?
Thx
Graham
8480

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
just some ideas on automatic actions...

You could have each node have two options:
[ ] Auto-link next child
[ ] Auto-link recurse

Auto-link next child will scan for the first unfinished action and
auto-link it, so that:
A
. 1
. 2
. 3

if Auto-link is on, A.1 is linked... if A.2 is checked, it does
nothing, since A.1 is the next available action.. checking off A.2 is
the determination of the user, and if it's really the next action, the
list should be ordered as such.

Auto-link Recurse would enable:
A
. 1
. 2
. 3
. . a
. . b

If A.3.a is checked, A.3.b becomes linked, if A.3.b is checked, if
autocheck is suppressed, A.3 becomes linked, if autocheck is enabled,
nothing becomes linked, since everything under A is already checked.

If Recurse is off, enabling A.3 to do auto-linking would simulate
recurse, but only to that level.

You could have "Auto-Link" in the options be an selectable class of
actions (perhaps "increase priority by one"), but perhaps auto-linking
is the best bet, since the other stuff would introduce a  horrible new
level of complexity.

This would slow down the whole app, since at sort time, it would have
to recalculate links (sort by date, set date to No-Date, item rises to
top, does it become linked, unlinking the previous next child?). Doing
things like this would probably require tracking if the system set the
link or the user, since you wouldn't want to unlink a user-linked
action (say, two children that can be done simultaneously, one is next
child, the other is some ways down the list).

I don't know, i'm thinking out loud and confusing myself in the process.

-Tom
8481

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Virtual Grafitti

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, gf_gollum <gf_gollum@y...> wrote:

> It was "a couple of weeks away", more than a couple of weeks ago. I 
> know Xmas and Xcade have taken up your time, but is any revised 
> timetable available please?

	Its Jan 2nd man :)

	I think as of today I'm redefining what "2.7" is, in the name of
getting it out fast (I need that OS5 support out in the official public,
since people are afraid of "beta").

	So 2.7 will likely go out in a week including:
	1) Lots of little fixes and minor improvements
	2) Theme support (colour of backgrounds, text, icons)
	3) Palm OS 5 fixes and minor improvements

	Right now just trying to finish a couple nits in (2).

	Shadow 2.8 will thusly be pretty fast I hope:
	1) Virtual grafitti Sony Clie (OS4.x and OS5.x)
	2) Virtual grafitti Handera
	3) Whatever fixes come up

	Probably just those things. So I hope Shadow 2.8 will come out
quickly after 2.7. Feel free to join shadow-test to help out.

	At the same time as Shadow 2.8 is in the pipe, we'll be working on
the Mac OSX desktop to beta..

	Perhaps Shadow 2.9 will be 2.8 plus a Mac OSX desktop, and Shadow
3.0 will be 2.8 plus a Mac OSX desktop and conduit and whatever little
cool things we can fit into the handheld.

	We shall see.

	Nothing in stone.

	XCade isn't getting much work until 2.8 is out the door.

		jeff

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8482

From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 10:47pm
Subject: Can the same item be in two files?

 
Hello,

I am in the process of attempting to create a new organization scheme for
myself, primarily using Shadow (and DateBk5) and ideas from GtD.

I want to have all my Tasks in Shadow, especially because tagging allows
multiple places (or "contexts") - e.g. "Contact Fred about Meeting" can be both
in "email" and "phone" contexts (i.e. if I end up doing emails first, I'll
email him, otherwise I'll call him).

I also want to have all my Tasks in one big flat list, so that I can use
drag-and-drop to put them in order of priority from top to bottom, without hard
numbers.   The drag-and-drop feature of Shadow seems suited to this as well.
(This would be analogous to the "Action" list in GtD.)

And, since Shadow does hierarchical outlining, I am also thinking about having
a "Projects" file to make use of the concept of outlining projects in order to
keep track of all the dependencies, etc.   But, these would be the same tasks
that would be in my big flat Tasks list.    Can the same items be in more than
one list?   In other words, can "Contact Fred about Meeting" be in two files at
once - in such a way that changing one occurrence of the item will change the
other one as well?


--
Thanks,

Ken 
kstuart@e...
8483

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 11:18pm
Subject: Re: Can the same item be in two files?

 
Yes, but I think that it probably needs to be linked to the todo database in order for this to work.  Select a Shadow item, link it to the todo database, then tap the [C] button in the top right and copy it.  If you set hold to many, then you can copy a bunch of items at once, then tap the [C] again and choose 'send to file'.  This will popup a list of all your files.  As long as the item is linked to the todo database, all copies of it will be connected so checking it off in the todo app or either shadow list will check all of them.

--- Ken Stuart <kstuart@e...> wrote:
>that would be in my big flat Tasks list.    Can the same items be in more than
>one list?   In other words, can "Contact Fred about Meeting" be in two files at
>once - in such a way that changing one occurrence of the item will change the
>other one as well?


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8484

From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 0:18am
Subject: Re: Can the same item be in two files?

 
Hello,

This works - excellent !

And my next question was about mass promotion of children, but I found your
equally excellent trick by searching the previous messages.

Your help is appreciated...

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:18:08 -0800 (PST), Anthony Schellenberg
<aschell@p...> wrote:

>Yes, but I think that it probably needs to be linked to the todo database in order for this to work.  Select a Shadow item, link it to the todo database, then tap the [C] button in the top right and copy it.  If you set hold to many, then you can copy a bunch of items at once, then tap the [C] again and choose 'send to file'.  This will popup a list of all your files.  As long as the item is linked to the todo database, all copies of it will be connected so checking it off in the todo app or either shadow list will check all of them.
>
>--- Ken Stuart <kstuart@e...> wrote:
>>that would be in my big flat Tasks list.    Can the same items be in more than
>>one list?   In other words, can "Contact Fred about Meeting" be in two files at
>>once - in such a way that changing one occurrence of the item will change the
>>other one as well?
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8485

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 0:37am
Subject: Re: Can the same item be in two files?

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ken Stuart wrote:

> I am in the process of attempting to create a new organization scheme for
> myself, primarily using Shadow (and DateBk5) and ideas from GtD.
> 
> I want to have all my Tasks in Shadow, especially because tagging allows
> multiple places (or "contexts") - e.g. "Contact Fred about Meeting" can be both
> in "email" and "phone" contexts (i.e. if I end up doing emails first, I'll
> email him, otherwise I'll call him).
> 
> I also want to have all my Tasks in one big flat list, so that I can
> use drag-and-drop to put them in order of priority from top to bottom,
> without hard numbers.  The drag-and-drop feature of Shadow seems
> suited to this as well. (This would be analogous to the "Action" list
> in GtD.)
> 
> And, since Shadow does hierarchical outlining, I am also thinking
> about having a "Projects" file to make use of the concept of outlining
> projects in order to keep track of all the dependencies, etc.  But,
> these would be the same tasks that would be in my big flat Tasks list.  
> Can the same items be in more than one list?  In other words, can
> "Contact Fred about Meeting" be in two files at once - in such a way
> that changing one occurrence of the item will change the other one as
> well?

	Not directly (At least not yet). You can sort of fake it using an
evil trick.

	Link an item to ToDo (say). Then flip over to the other list(s),
and then New From the item from ToDo into those lists. Then if you edit
one, it'll eventually make it over to the other lists (when you open
them). Changes will go back and forth that way.. but it can be tricky, and
is a little weird.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8486

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 0:59am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	Gets way too ambiguous to me :)

I'm agreeing with Jeff on this one. here is such a huge variability 
in the way people would want this implemented, even from one list to 
another, that it would require a whole other page of options for 
each and every list item.

The only way I can see to get it to work would be to implement true 
dependencies, just like in Microsoft Project, then have SP activate 
the next dependent item or items. But then you also have the problem 
of dependencies with lag times. That's when a task is dependent on 
another but doesn't start immediately after the predecessor is 
completed.

On the other hand, I would really like a Palm app that synced 
directly with MS Project and included the same basic features. But 
that is not where SP is going as far as I know so I see no reason to 
ask Jeff to completely change his direction.
8487

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 1:13am
Subject: Re: Can the same item be in two files?

 
WOW! - I'm amazed that works.  Great stuff.

One thing to note if youre using shadowlinkhack is that the Todo link
points to the LAST list into which the item was pasted.  So if for
whatever reason you want to linkhack to take you back to a specific
list, make that your last paste.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> Yes, but I think that it probably needs to be linked to the todo
database in order for this to work.
8488

From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 1:50am
Subject: Shadowlink (was Re: Can the same item be in two files?)

 
On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 01:13:29 -0000, "vjornes <vjornes@y...>"
<vjornes@y...> wrote:

>One thing to note if youre using shadowlinkhack

This reminds me. :-)

I read all the documentation for shadowlink...

... and I still don't have the foggiest notion what it does. :-)

(and I'm a software engineer.)

I'm reminded of Star Trek episodes: "Captain, I cannot align the plasma
conduits" "But - have you tried rerouting the rectabular extrusions?" "Well, I
could do that - but it would be risky..."

The shadowlink documentation starts out:

" ShadowLink is a HackMaster extension specifically designed to work with the
origin stamp written by ShadowPlan "    And that's the entire explanation. :-)

At least it is consistent with all other Shadow documentation in that it uses
new terminology without any definitions or explanations (much to the relief of
the Bonsai people).

--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...

In next week's episode of Enterprise: " Captain - I cannot align the plasma
conduits! " " Have you tried linking to the origin stamps? "  "Well, I could do
that - but it would be risky..."
8489

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 1:51am
Subject: Can Megawiki jog between shadow lists?

 
Has anyone using MW been able to jog between different Shadow lists?

I have Jogforward/Back DAs set up to strokes (Cant use the next/prev
field as shadow uses these to promote/demote items).  I can jump into
SP from other apps and jump back from other apps ok.

What I've not been able to achieve is having a link in one shadow list
(listA) which points to an item in other shadow list (listB). I can
jump from listA to listB, but when I try to jump back I stay in listB.
 I get the same whether the link is a Find Start/Find Any or DBName.

Has anyone succeded in jogging back.

(I've posted this to the MW forum also).

TIA
8490

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 2:09am
Subject: Shadowlink (was Re: Can the same item be in two files?)

 
This is an easy one.

Shadow (when enabled in shadow prefs) appends a string to any linked
todo   along the lines of  [[[Shadow: (3166216) @Leaving >Work]]]
When shadowlinkhack is installed - like any other hack, tapping on the
"Shadow" part of that string will open Shadow, open the correct list
and take you to the entry.

i.e. You can be browsing your ToDos and if you decide you need to add
some related task (or just see some contextual stuff etc.), just tap
on the text and youre right there.  Saves having to navigate to
Shadow, then find the right list and navigate/search through that list.

I find it really useful for quickly checking context and seeing if I
have caught all the actions, whats coming up etc.  (I have all the
project details in Shadow lists).


> I read all the documentation for shadowlink...
> ... and I still don't have the foggiest notion what it does. :-)
> 
> (and I'm a software engineer.)
8491

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 2:17am
Subject: Re: Shadowlink (was Re: Can the same item be in two files?)

 
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ken Stuart wrote:

> At least it is consistent with all other Shadow documentation in that
> it uses new terminology without any definitions or explanations (much
> to the relief of the Bonsai people).

	Is there a lot of "what the hell is that?" in a forum
somewhere?

	ShadowLinkHack lets you jump from a Shadow reference outside of
Shadow to the Shadow item itself in Shadow.. if that helps :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"
8492

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 2:19am
Subject: Re: Good desktop outliner and synch with Palm?

 
I really like SP on the palm and would highly recommend it.  Aslo,
Jeff has spent a lot of time on the conduit making sure you don't
loose any data between the desktop (DT) and handheld (HH).
When I compared SP and Progect about a year ago, SP was then miles
ahead in functionality, looks and customisability (if thats a real word!).
However, at the moment the DT is lagging behind.  So if your main data
entry will be on the PC I suggest trying the DT to see if it will meet
your needs at present (or if its good enough for you for the moment).
No question about the HH side, I'm sure it DOES meet your needs.


> I am looking for a good and easy PC desktop outliner that will synch 
> well with the Palm.
> 
> I would like to know of a comparison among:  Shadowplan, Progect, 
> EccoPro, and other available choices.
8493

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 2:29am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
> Isn't the second suggestion Jeff made what you are looking for? 
When you run Shadow at all it does the linking, as compared to even
having to open that same list...isn't that what you desire?  
> Kevin

Yep, that would be pretty close - that would be preferable to opening
specific lists.  There are times though when you may just look at the
ToDo app (forgetting that you've added stuff via the DT) and it
wouldnt show since you havnt opened SP on the HH yet.  We'd just have
to make sure to always open SP as the the first thing after a sync -
not a real hardship :-)

Oh, Happy New Year....
8494

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 2:35am
Subject: Re: Desktop and linking

 
> 	Naaah, theres better methods than this. I'm just planning to spend
most of my time working on other things, 

Hopefully a holiday in Barbados ;-)   <sigh> wishful thinking or what!


> I'll meditate on it :)
Whatever you think - youre the boss.
> 
> 	yeah, I could add a "scan for links" type operation, but I'd more
likely make it automatic.. after you sync, first run would do it or
the like. Would have to be an option of course..

Sounds great Jeff.
8495

From: podemskir podemskir@y...  <podemskir@y...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 2:48am
Subject: Re: Virtual Grafitti

 
What is the priority for printing options from the desktop?  Seems 
like this was a hot topic several months ago, but had to wait for 
the conduit to be finished.  This was supposed to come right after 
the Mac interface was completed.  Now there is no mention of it.  I 
think there are many of us who don't want all the fancy features 
that the power users keep pressing for, but just want basic 
functionality to manage and print our simple lists.  Just want to 
keep printing high on the priority list.  Thanks.
8496

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 3:03am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
i guess anyone can make it more and more complicated, then it gets a bit ridiculous to even consider implementing.  i thought the original idea was just a simple format and if you don't want it don't check the preference.

Jeff:
In your example below, i wouldn't even bother with what i mentioned about not linking A3 until A1 is checked even if A2 is checked, as that does complicate your programming job.  I'd keep it simple, if an item is checked under that parent, then the next child gets linked, and if you check two items and there are items following each then they both get linked.  The idea as initially mentioned seemed to suggest the type of list that a person would regularly review, like GTD suggests, and reorganize that kind of list regularly so if you check the first item then the second item is linked, regularly putting the next action item at the top.  If one does not desire or perform that type of action list, then simply don't check the preference.

Regarding the A, B, etc.  i would have it so each parent has the rule within it for its children, again keeping it straightforward and simple.  A does it for A1, A2, A3, etc. and B does it for B1, B2, B3, etc.  Once A3 is completed, A is done and it does nothing to B or C or other parents or their children.  Like parts (children) of the main task (parent) for each.  My thought for this suggestion initially was the easiest and most simplistic for those that desire it.

As for the A1 vs. A1i, seems the simple solution is just next in order.  For example, if you have:

A
- 1
- 2
- - i
- - ii
- 3

First would be A1, once that is completed would be A2i, once that is completed would be A2ii, once that is completed A3.  If there are B's, they would be separate and same rules as A, B, or C have for items under them.

If someone checks something out of order, just link the next item.  Obviously this is a preference with special rules, like all preferences, for a type of list that many seem to use in placing items in a list where updating the order of the action items is performed regularly.  This would allow a quick and easy solution to those that have action items where a new action or to do begins once another is completed.  (Much of this next action stuff for GTD I learned from reading a few posts in this forum, and then read a bit more from Allen's website, which caused me to order the book which just came out in paperback.)

Interesting that a couple recent posts suggest this idea is merely too complicated for you to work on now, without actually stating a preference that is any different...hmm, could that be someone wanting Mac stuff, virtual graffiti, or handera stuff first?  ; )  Could be a sly approach (?) to try and make something sound complicated when the initial suggestions i read about this idea sounded fairly simple.  Maybe i'm wrong as i don't program, but the concept sounded like a simple one until...!  I can wait if this is too much for now, but just noticed you seemed to have more responses from those wanting something simple like that compared to those suggesting it was too complicated for now.  Enjoy Jeff, as I know you are getting lots of pressure from many angles at this point in time.  ; )

Back to reviewing my "next action" lists!

Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Completion activates next task ?


  On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > would think the simple solution as originally stated...
  > 
  > once A3 is completed should never go to B linking as B links within
  > itself if more than one child.  keep each within the first level until
  > its children are completed for this idea.
  > 
  > and on second scenario, up to the user to put them in order if want to
  > use this function.  in your example 1 is first, 2 is second, and 3 is
  > third.  would think until item 1 is completed it would not link item 3
  > if item 2 is checked.  now if already checked item 2, then finish and
  > check item 1, should then link item 3.

        So if you have 1, 2, and 3, and you complete (2), nothing should
  happen? I bet people will fight over that one :)

  > keep it simple and it should work great.  for those not wanting this
  > preference or scenario the simple solution is not to check the
  > preference.  but i think this simple idea adds LOTS to the program for
  > those that have next items in a list, sort of the GTD idea
  > incorporated!
  > 
  > Thanks for considering the inclusion, as the simple scenario does what
  > is intended by this preference it seems.

        Its never so simple :)

        The rules are so far..

  1) A list level preference to enable the feature
  2) When an item is completed by explicit checking it off, the next
  incomplete item in the same sublevel will get linked to ToDo in the
  default category (as configured in list prefs -> opts if I recall right)

        This suggests that if you click 2, then 3 will be linked out, even
  if 1 is incomplete. The rule woudl say "dont' do that, though its your
  business".

        The next question is..

        What about implicit checkoffs?

  A
  . 1
  . 2
  . . i
  B
  . 1

        A1 is already checked. You check off "i" and thus complete
  "2" magicly, and thus "A" is complete. Should "B" then go to ToDo? Or are
  "A" and "B" separate and thus only items depeer than the top level are in
  this situation?

        Or what if you complete A1.. does "A2" get linekd or "A2i"?

        So it would seem completing A2i actually puts "B" or "B1" into
  your todo list.. a level 3 item puts a unrelated level 2 item into the
  ToDo list?

        Gets way too ambiguous to me :)

              jeff



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8497

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 3:13am
Subject: Re: Re: Virtual Grafitti

 
Cmon Jeff, can't you get all of these priorities done this week?  I mean, we paid about $15, this blows away the competition and the desktop will sometime this year, and i'm just tired of waiting on everything i want in your one program.  I don't want any other programs, so could you hurry up a bit!  ; )
Just love reading all this when the pressure rises up again from every angle...makes me glad i'm just a user of your great work!
Again, and as always Jeff, your work is GREATLY appreciated here, as it has done great things for my organization and productivity.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: podemskir <podemskir@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:48 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Virtual Grafitti


  What is the priority for printing options from the desktop?  Seems 
  like this was a hot topic several months ago, but had to wait for 
  the conduit to be finished.  This was supposed to come right after 
  the Mac interface was completed.  Now there is no mention of it.  I 
  think there are many of us who don't want all the fancy features 
  that the power users keep pressing for, but just want basic 
  functionality to manage and print our simple lists.  Just want to 
  keep printing high on the priority list.  Thanks.


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8498

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 3:18am
Subject: Re: Shadowlink (was Re: Can the same item be in two files?)

 
For Ken and any others out there not understanding some piece of "terminology" as Ken put it...I would suggest a quick search of the archives.  I've been around here since the start with Jeff and every terminology, use, etc. has been covered over and over in detail in this forum! 
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ken Stuart 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:50 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadowlink (was Re: Can the same item be in two files?)


  On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 01:13:29 -0000, "vjornes <vjornes@y...>"
  <vjornes@y...> wrote:

  >One thing to note if youre using shadowlinkhack

  This reminds me. :-)

  I read all the documentation for shadowlink...

  ... and I still don't have the foggiest notion what it does. :-)

  (and I'm a software engineer.)

  I'm reminded of Star Trek episodes: "Captain, I cannot align the plasma
  conduits" "But - have you tried rerouting the rectabular extrusions?" "Well, I
  could do that - but it would be risky..."

  The shadowlink documentation starts out:

  " ShadowLink is a HackMaster extension specifically designed to work with the
  origin stamp written by ShadowPlan "    And that's the entire explanation. :-)

  At least it is consistent with all other Shadow documentation in that it uses
  new terminology without any definitions or explanations (much to the relief of
  the Bonsai people).

  --
  Cheers,

  Ken
  kstuart@e...

  In next week's episode of Enterprise: " Captain - I cannot align the plasma
  conduits! " " Have you tried linking to the origin stamps? "  "Well, I could do
  that - but it would be risky..."



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From: kkauff1418 scrapqueen@c...  <scrapqueen@c...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 4:10am
Subject: feature request

 
I just had to write in and say how much I enjoy Shaow Plan. I was
wondering if it would be possible to make a way to close the
mini-editor without having to use the stylus to hit the check mark
after entering data?
8500

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 5:10am
Subject: Re: Completion activates next task ?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> 
> > That would be VERY cool for many of my work lists too!  Excellent
if
> > that was incorporated...!
> 
> 	The worry would this be too annoying?
> 
> 	ie: This would have to be a list preference (definitely not global
> :). OKay, so say you have:
> 
> A
> . 1
> . 2
> . 3
> B
> . 1
> . 2
> 
> 	Completing A.3 should not auto-link B.1. skipping to another
> level would be weird. What if A.1 through A.3 are all incomplete,
and you
> tap on 2 to check it.. should 3 then link? (what about A.1?)
> 
> 	Theres a lot of questions here, and I'm not sure everyone would
> have the same answer.. so could be a lot of work few could use :/
(See,
> I've thoguht of a lot of things, but sometimes hold off in the end
since
> its too ambiguous :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 

I think this depends on the dependencies (that sounds weird...)
meaning, you can not mark A.2 done if it is dependent on A.1 and A.1
is not done.  If you did, then there is no dependency (A.2 on A.1)
and, yes, A.3 should be generated, since all of its prerequisites are
met.

Its all in the dependency graph constructed by connecting tasks.  The
confusion comes in when tasks are defined as being "partially"
dependent on another task.  What this really is, is tasks being
ill-defined (mathematically).  Example:

Task A: Write Unix "filter" set for converting from English to Greek
...(1) define input and output file formats
...(2) define English subset
...(3) write English to Esperanto translator filter
...(4) write Esperanto to Greek translator filter

And no I'm not picking on the design decision to use Esperato as an
intermediate "token" language.  Rather the fact that the order and
definition of the tasks infers progressions:  1->3, 1->4, and 2->3

It's obvious in this example that (1) needs to be split. (and suddenly
you have two separate projects!) but it's rarely that easy to spot.

I guess I'm just saying I pity you for trying to build project
dependency into Shadow. ;)

It's not the difficulty of analysing dependencies you should worry
about, its the way in which you can make clear to a user why the
dependency graph he's built is incorrect.  Largely a user education
problem rather than a programming one.

I, for one, would *love* a straightforward dependency graph tool.  I
just think that you have to stop and consider how many people get a
horribly confused look on their face trying to use MS Project.  (and
no, its not just because its buggy as all h*ll).

Ken
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