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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple filter question

 
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, frac6969 <frac6969@y...> wrote:

> > 	A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a 
> matching
> > item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then all 
> the
> > parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can 
> actually get
> > to the unfinished child it matched.
> > 
> > 	Is this what yuo mean?
> 
> Yes, but sometimes the parent will show even if the filter has 
> removed all the children, and sometimes not.

	That shouldn't occur unless the parent matches the filter. If
you've got a file that always does it, let me know.

> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show
> all parents at all times.

	Doesn't make much sense.. ie: How many levels of parents? To make
it useful it would have to be paramaterizable, and thats too much work for
soemthing very few would ever use.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8302

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:42pm
Subject: Re: A general question, Shadow-related

 
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> real positive that the Tungsten doesn't have. And since not very many programs 
> support it, especially with the broken APIs in OS5 that Sony doesn't plan to 
> fix, it isn't a real advantage at all. And don't get me started on the awful 
> MS slot defects in the NR series, or the almost unusable keyboard either-- I 

	Hey Goddess, do you know any specifics about bad APIs? The Sony
OS5 stuff was a trick (since not well documented), but is good so far..
ie: Their highres in OS5 is just OS5 highres (though it was a hack before
OS5). So moving from OS4 to OS5 broke everything because of mistakes of
the past, not mistakes of the present. Though I've not looked into VG for
OS5 yet (I hope its the same as it was for OS4.. I'd have to implement it
twice :/) If youv'e heard horror stories from developers, let me know :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8303

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

 
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, jledesma28 <jledesma28@y...> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the the
> Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or Agendus
> desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks

	I'll look into it. No promises when :)

		jeff

> 
> best regards,
> 
> jl
> 
> 
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> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8304

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Managing lists

 
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:

> I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
> all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number of
> projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
> related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need to
> be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
> lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
> how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each list to see
> what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single view of all
> my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
> Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
> but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
> insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
> appreciated.

	Depends on how you wish to implement your own system; Shadow is
pretty flexible, so you can do ti any way you like. Of course, "best
practices" are different for everyone :/

	A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files ("a", "b", "c",
"d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", "d"). Whats
the difference? Its potentially a performance issue to have giant lists
(really giant), but for the most part is purely up to you. If you have 4
top level parents, then you might want to use "Zoom" a lot, and you'd
never know yuo were in a file that other other files merged in with it.
You could use Tags to tag items, and use Filters to hide away the other
virtual lists, and save yourself a few custom filters so you coudl swap
between the visible subsets at your leisure.

	But keeping everythign in one file doesn't eliminate the parent
child thing at all.. since you can go as deep as you like, its purely
whethor or not you want to cram it all together or not :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8305

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple filter question

 
>> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show
>> all parents at all times.
>
>	Doesn't make much sense.. ie: How many levels of parents? To make
>it useful it would have to be paramaterizable, and thats too much work for
>soemthing very few would ever use.
>
>		jeff

I did something like this.  I had some stuff I always wanted to show no matter what view/filter I use.  I created a tag (I just called it 'Link")  Then I adjusted all of my custom filters that I use on this list to include items tagged with 'Link'.  You could do this for any parent you always want to display.  I used it so that my rows with filelinks on the top are always showing so I can easily jump to a different Shadow file.

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8306

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:55pm
Subject: RE: Managing lists

 
Just thought I'd stick my two pennies in...

Don't forget that if you do put all your categories as the top level items, you could always use the zoom function on a particular function to temporarily show only that category.

Also, the ability in a tasklist view to break a task into subtasks, and have the progress of each contribute to the overall progress of it's parent makes shadowplan an exceptionally powerful tool for tracking complex tasks. My major to-do's always get put off, but when there are a series of bite size chunks they become manageable.

Finally, don't forget that you can link important items to palm to-do's, making them more intrusive where necessary.


Anthony


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 8:46
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Managing lists
> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
> 
> > I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
> > all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a 
> number of
> > projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
> > related to any one project.  I also have personal things 
> that need to
> > be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
> > lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
> > how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each 
> list to see
> > what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single 
> view of all
> > my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
> > Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
> > but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
> > insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
> > appreciated.
> 
> 	Depends on how you wish to implement your own system; Shadow is
> pretty flexible, so you can do ti any way you like. Of course, "best
> practices" are different for everyone :/
> 
> 	A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
> top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files 
> ("a", "b", "c",
> "d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", 
> "d"). Whats
> the difference? Its potentially a performance issue to have 
> giant lists
> (really giant), but for the most part is purely up to you. If 
> you have 4
> top level parents, then you might want to use "Zoom" a lot, and you'd
> never know yuo were in a file that other other files merged 
> in with it.
> You could use Tags to tag items, and use Filters to hide away 
> the other
> virtual lists, and save yourself a few custom filters so you 
> coudl swap
> between the visible subsets at your leisure.
> 
> 	But keeping everythign in one file doesn't eliminate the parent
> child thing at all.. since you can go as deep as you like, its purely
> whethor or not you want to cram it all together or not :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>
8307

From: jledesma28 jledesma28@y...  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 0:14am
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

 
Thanks, it would be a nice addition to the desktop
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, jledesma28 <jledesma28@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the 
the
> > Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or 
Agendus
> > desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks
> 
> 	I'll look into it. No promises when :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > best regards,
> > 
> > jl
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8308

From: jkrzyszt jkrzysztow@k...  <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:41am
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
> 
> > One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
> > notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
> > to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
> 
> 	4k is in pace for both the older units and performance. Allowing
> larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
> we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions,
once
> a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
> demand but traditionally its nottoo high on peoples lists. Instead I've
> thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
> attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
> such). We'll see.
> 
> 		jeff
> 

How do you handle the linking on the Desktop side to all of this? How
do you handle the current linking for the Palm Desktop applications
(Datebook, To Do, Memo) from the Desktop? I have not noticed (though I
am just learning the package) any way to deal with links on the
Desktop. If you link to the PalmDoc, how would that be handled on the
Desktop side? Or any other application?

Jeffrey
8309

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt <jkrzysztow@k...> wrote:

> How do you handle the linking on the Desktop side to all of this? How
> do you handle the current linking for the Palm Desktop applications
> (Datebook, To Do, Memo) from the Desktop? I have not noticed (though I
> am just learning the package) any way to deal with links on the
> Desktop. If you link to the PalmDoc, how would that be handled on the
> Desktop side? Or any other application?

	Linking is in the Shadow XML files, but is not yet used by the
desktop. The problem is that people use a variety of desktop
applications.. Palm Desktop, Outlook, Agendus desktop, Act, etc etc. So if
we were to do linking on the desktop, we'd have to support all of those
applications.. which is tonnes of work, and they may not even post their
formats (like Agendus desktop I think). So linking isn't really possible
well on the desktop side :/ It depend son lots of things and we need to
meditate on it more :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8310

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:17pm
Subject: Is this a problem with colour themes?

 
I have a colour theme set of two colours, however, after selecting a 
child, that child, once it has been unselected will be the same 
colour as the parent.  The colour theme reverts back to the odd and 
even sequence after a page down and page up, which presumably 
refreshes the screen.  Sometimes, the colour change on selection of 
an item only occurs on the first screen page of a list.  There are 
no items filtered out.  Does this make sense?

Is it supposed to be like this?  I have ver 2.6.9 on a Clie T615.

Rita
8311

From: Curtis Clifton  <cclifton@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:52pm
Subject: Re: Managing Lists

 
Susan,

One addition to what Jeff and Anthony shared, is that linking to other 
ShadowPlan files is very useful.  I settled on keeping one monster 
master task list.  The basic structure is:

Project
--Project 1
--Project 2
--Project 3
Recurring Tasks
--Daily
--Weekly
--Other
Misc. Tasks

Under each of these I put individual tasks and subprojects.  If a given 
task requires many steps, then I often put these steps in a separate 
ShadowPlan list and link to that list.  For example I have a Misc. 
Tasks, "Christmas Shopping".  That task links to another list with all 
the people I want to shop for and ideas for each of them.

I also use some custom filters to show different subsets of my list for 
weekly goal setting, scheduling, and daily priorities.  I have not used 
the tag features of Shadow to good effect yet.

-- Curt

On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 03:26  AM, 
shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
>
>> I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
>> all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number of
>> projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
>> related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need to
>> be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
>> lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
>> how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each list to see
>> what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single view of all
>> my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
>> Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
>> but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
>> insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
>> appreciated.
>
> 	A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
> top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files ("a", "b", 
> "c",
> "d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", "d").
8312

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:32pm
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, rblanzan <rblanzan@i...> wrote:

> I have a colour theme set of two colours, however, after selecting a
> child, that child, once it has been unselected will be the same colour
> as the parent.  The colour theme reverts back to the odd and even
> sequence after a page down and page up, which presumably refreshes the
> screen.  Sometimes, the colour change on selection of an item only
> occurs on the first screen page of a list.  There are no items
> filtered out.  Does this make sense?
> 
> Is it supposed to be like this?  I have ver 2.6.9 on a Clie T615.

	The theme should always alternate (aside from the selected
item). If you get the same theme twice in a row (when they're set up
differently of course :) its a bug. Any way to reproduce it?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8313

From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

 
I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am done with the linked list?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Curtis Clifton 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:52 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Managing Lists


  Susan,

  One addition to what Jeff and Anthony shared, is that linking to other 
  ShadowPlan files is very useful.  I settled on keeping one monster 
  master task list.  The basic structure is:

  Project
  --Project 1
  --Project 2
  --Project 3
  Recurring Tasks
  --Daily
  --Weekly
  --Other
  Misc. Tasks

  Under each of these I put individual tasks and subprojects.  If a given 
  task requires many steps, then I often put these steps in a separate 
  ShadowPlan list and link to that list.  For example I have a Misc. 
  Tasks, "Christmas Shopping".  That task links to another list with all 
  the people I want to shop for and ideas for each of them.

  I also use some custom filters to show different subsets of my list for 
  weekly goal setting, scheduling, and daily priorities.  I have not used 
  the tag features of Shadow to good effect yet.

  -- Curt

  On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 03:26  AM, 
  shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
  >
  >> I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
  >> all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number of
  >> projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
  >> related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need to
  >> be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
  >> lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
  >> how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each list to see
  >> what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single view of all
  >> my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
  >> Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
  >> but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
  >> insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
  >> appreciated.
  >
  >       A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
  > top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files ("a", "b", 
  > "c",
  > "d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", "d").


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8314

From: gf_gollum graham_foster@m...  <graham_foster@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Managing lists

 
> 	But keeping everythign in one file doesn't eliminate the 
parent
> child thing at all.. since you can go as deep as you like, its 
purely
> whethor or not you want to cram it all together or not :)

I disagree.. Because filtering / viewing does NOT work across lists, 
then you are forced to keep everything in a single giant list.
i.e. if I want to know "What do I need to do today?", then I must 
have 1 list with ALL my to-do's in.

The only other approach is to link every entry in every Shadow list 
to the ToDo view, and effectively flatten your views that way. 
Porblem is then, you need to edit it in 1 application, and view it in 
another :-(

Graham
8315

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is
> there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that
> file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am
> done with the linked list?

	There is the Recent Files popup. I considered adding a Back button
like in a browser, but I figured Recent Files was more useful.. letting
you jump to any list you've been to halfway recently. If Shadow is bound
to a hardkey, you can push that hardkey to pop up the recent files list,
or you can bring it up from the pulldown menus or the top-right popmenus.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8316

From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

 
I posted a Shadow Tip on how to do this on August 12, if you want to head into the archives. It's a snap.

Jacob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jledesma28 <jledesma28@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:22 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop


  Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the the 
  Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or 
  Agendus desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks

  best regards,

  jl


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8317

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

 
Jeff
This reminds me that I asked recently whether it would be possible to 
provide a pref that would allow the "top-right popmenus" to default to 
showing the list of recent files. Any thoughts?

On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:39 , Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
>
>> I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is
>> there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that
>> file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am
>> done with the linked list?
>
> 	There is the Recent Files popup. I considered adding a Back button
> like in a browser, but I figured Recent Files was more useful.. letting
> you jump to any list you've been to halfway recently. If Shadow is bound
> to a hardkey, you can push that hardkey to pop up the recent files list,
> or you can bring it up from the pulldown menus or the top-right 
> popmenus.
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
Ken Gordon
8318

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:09pm
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

 
> 	The theme should always alternate (aside from the selected
> item). If you get the same theme twice in a row (when they're set 
up
> differently of course :) its a bug. Any way to reproduce it?

It happens every time on all the lists.  However, I have found the 
effect to be random at times.  eg if I tap to highlight all the even 
colours, some will change and others won't but I will get, say 3 
items in one colour and then a couple in another.  It doesn't even  
appear to be parent related anymore as I've tried it with a flat 
list of less than one screen, but I'm getting a headache playing 
with it :)  I tried it with different feature combinations, such as 
title bar on and off, custom items and checklists etc, but I can't 
seem to put my finger on any one combination.  

Rita
8319

From: aschell98 aschell@p...  <aschell@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:53pm
Subject: Shadow launcher

 
FYI:  Just posted a tip in the shadow-tips group that might be 
interesting for anyone wanting to launch shadow with specific files, 
or anyone who has tried various button launchers, but found they 
didn't quite do what you wanted.  Might also interest datebk4/5 users 
wanting to more easily launch the datebk stubs to start datebk5 in a 
specific saved view.
8320

From: aschell98 aschell@p...  <aschell@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

 
Are some of the lines bolded? I've seen this happen everytime where 
an item title that uses one line in normal text, but then gets 
wrapped to two lines when bolded.  If I tap this item, then the next, 
the next item will always get the wrong color.  I think the theme 
engine still thinks the item is using one line, but now that it is 
bold (bold via the highlight function), it is taking two lines not 
one.


> It happens every time on all the lists.  However, I have found the 
> effect to be random at times.  eg if I tap to highlight all the 
even 
> colours, some will change and others won't but I will get, say 3 
> items in one colour and then a couple in another.  It doesn't even  
> appear to be parent related anymore as I've tried it with a flat 
> list of less than one screen, but I'm getting a headache playing 
> with it :)  I tried it with different feature combinations, such as 
> title bar on and off, custom items and checklists etc, but I can't 
> seem to put my finger on any one combination.  
> 
> Rita
8321

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:35pm
Subject: List Specific tags

 
Jeff,

How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?

I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!

Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them unwieldy

Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of tags, but the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and still requires too many clicks!

Regards,

Anthony
8322

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:54pm
Subject: Recent Files showing deleted files.

 
When I use the recent files list and click on a file that has been 
deleted I get an error message. It would be good if the list just 
simply didn't show files that had been deleted.
8323

From: Rev Dave Crow  <bpcumc_pastor@n...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 0:07am
Subject: Franklin Planner & Shadow

 
BlankI'm new to the group.  I was interested in a question that I found in
the archives regarding Franklin Planner and Shadow.  If you are using
PlanPlus for Outlook from Franklin I found a work around for getting your to
do links into the Task List.  Instead of linking as a ToDo item (that will
still go to the Palm To Do database), link it to the date book.  That will
put it in the Franklin Planner.  In Outlook you can drag that "appointment"
to the task icon which will create a new task with all the content of the
"appointment" created in Shadow.  Awkward, but it does get it there as if
you had copied the item to the to do data base.

If someone knows a more user friendly method, I'm all ears.

Dave Crow, Pastor
Christ United Methodist Church
708 15th Street
PO Box 213
Belle Plaine, IA 52208-0213
(319) 444-2410
bpcumc@n...
www.gbgm-umc.org/bpcumc



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8324

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 0:54am
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

 
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> 
> I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!

	Make sure you categorize your tags :)

> Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them unwieldy

	Yeah, it can.

> Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of tags, but
> the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and still requires
> too many clicks!

	Tried the tag column? It allows very fast tagging (two tap add
tag, and very few taps to swap tags or remove tags, etc). The tag column
is very efficient, and you can put it into a custom view for "EDit" say,
and then toggle in and out of tag column quickly :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8325

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:16am
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "aschell98 <aschell@p...>" 
<aschell@p...> wrote:
> Are some of the lines bolded? I've seen this happen everytime 
where 
> an item title that uses one line in normal text, but then gets 
> wrapped to two lines when bolded.  If I tap this item, then the 
next, 
> the next item will always get the wrong color.  I think the theme 
> engine still thinks the item is using one line, but now that it is 
> bold (bold via the highlight function), it is taking two lines not 
> one.

No, no bolding, I tend not to use it and whether there is just one 
line or it is wrapped, does not appear to make a difference either.

Rita
8326

From: LayDBug  <LayDBugMom@S...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:17am
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

 
I'm new to Shadow.  Could someone explain the "tag" idea to me?
Dawn

 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:54:20 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] List Specific tags
 
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> 
> I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8327

From: Stuart Gibbons stuart.gibbons@p...  <stuart.gibbons@p...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:40pm
Subject: Create new file in LinkMgr

 
Jeff,

Can I add something to the dev-list:  Can you make it possible to 
create a new Shadow file from the File Link screen in the Link 
Manager?  I'd like to have a list of projects, but then for bigger 
projects link out to a new file, e.g.

ShadP-Projects
--------------
ProjA
ProjB ->file link to ShadP-ProjB
ProjC

ShadP_ProjB
-----------
Sub-ProjA
Sub-ProjB


It'd be a lot more intuitive for me to do:
Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->New [type in name] 

than:

Exit file->New->[Type Name]->[Open original file]->[Find correct item 
to link]->Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->Choose new file


Any thoughts?

Stuart
8328

From: Doug M-C  <doug@m...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Tags, Re: Digest Number 734

 
Jeff, not all of us have hi-res Palm devices with the screen real
estate to be adding tag columns on all our lists and still be
able to read them. Secondly, as I and others have said before,
when we are already in the link manager adding other links when
we create a new item, it makes NO sense for us to have to leave
the link manager and use a tag column to create the tags. Why
can't we have at least the same functionality in the tag part of
the link manager as we do in the address part (which does allow
category choice).

And for both addresses and tags in the link manager: sticky tabs,
and the ability to add multiple tags and/or addresses without
leaving the address/memo/tag window would be even more helpful.

The tag column is great on some of my lists. But it would be far,
far more helpful to be able to efficiently add tags in the link
manager as I am creating my items on many (most?) of my lists.

However, I am happy to wait for this till some more desktop
development has happened (but not tooooo long <grin>).

Doug

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 12/11/2002 at 10:21 AM shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>Message: 16
>   Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:54:24 -0500 (EST)
>   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Subject: Re: List Specific tags
>
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
>
>> How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single
list?
>> 
>> I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
>> dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!
>
>	Make sure you categorize your tags :)
>
>> Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them
unwieldy
>
>	Yeah, it can.
>
>> Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of
tags, but
>> the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and still
requires
>> too many clicks!
>
>	Tried the tag column? It allows very fast tagging (two tap add
>tag, and very few taps to swap tags or remove tags, etc). The
tag column
>is very efficient, and you can put it into a custom view for
"EDit" say,
>and then toggle in and out of tag column quickly :)
>
>		jeff
>

*************************************
   Doug Morrison-Cleary
doug@m...
8329

From: imjb3 imjb@h...  <imjb@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:03pm
Subject: Help with Filters

 
I would like to build the following filter:
(Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
Target date != 0).

I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date <= 
Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome and 
I would like to combine them into one filter.

I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' condition 
with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.

I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom tags, 
but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' info 
and would seem redundant.

Any ideas?

Thank you!
8330

From: grumpstone grumpstone@y...  <grumpstone@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 	Linking is in the Shadow XML files, but is not yet used by the
> desktop. The problem is that people use a variety of desktop
> applications.. Palm Desktop, Outlook, Agendus desktop, Act, etc 
etc. So if
> we were to do linking on the desktop, we'd have to support all of 
those
> applications.. which is tonnes of work, and they may not even post 
their
> formats (like Agendus desktop I think). So linking isn't really 
possible
> well on the desktop side :/ It depend son lots of things and we 
need to
> meditate on it more :/
> 
> 		jeff
> 


Hey Jeff, I have been wondering, why can't you link to the calendar 
or tasklist on the desktop, but create the link on the palm on a 
hotsynch?  That way you don't have to worry about the Palm Desktop, 
Outlook, Lotus Notes, or whathaveyou.  To get the link to work on the 
desktop, I guess you would have to hotsynch again.  Slightly 
confusing at first but easy to get used to, and still better than 
having no linking ability on the desktop, IMHO.
8331

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Help with Filters

 
Hmm, this might work...

OR Group   Condition

A          Priority < 3
A          Target <= Next Week
B          Priority < 3
B          Target Date Present is True

-tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" <imjb@h...>
wrote:
> I would like to build the following filter:
> (Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
> Target date != 0).
> 
> I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date <= 
> Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome
and 
> I would like to combine them into one filter.
> 
> I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' condition 
> with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.
> 
> I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom tags, 
> but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' info 
> and would seem redundant.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thank you!
8332

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:10pm
Subject: Re: Help with Filters

 
D'OH, forgot that priority '-' is 0...

it would have to be:

OR GROUP | Condition

A | Priority == 1
A | Priority == 2
A | Target Date <= Next Week
B | Priority == 1
B | Priority == 2
B | Target Date Present is True

-tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" <imjb@h...>
wrote:
> I would like to build the following filter:
> (Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
> Target date != 0).
> 
> I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date <= 
> Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome
and 
> I would like to combine them into one filter.
> 
> I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' condition 
> with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.
> 
> I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom tags, 
> but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' info 
> and would seem redundant.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thank you!
8333

From: mdkaac mdkp@c...  <mdkp@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: Another filtering question

 
I have a list of all my information related to the sales activity 
that I do. The list is structured like this:

Customer
   General Info
       Phone 999 888 7777
       Address  1 Road, NY, NY
   Notes
       Individual notes on each call or sales contact

I use tages such as Follow-up Due on the Notes to identify customers 
where I have to take some action.

I setup a filter called  Activity Due Today
The filter looks like:
    - Target Date less/equal Today
    - Target Date greater/equal to Last Week
    - Tag Association to "Follow-up"

This filter correctly grabs all cusomer notes with follow-up due 
today or in the last week.

My problem, is when that filter is applied, I cannot get to the data 
in the General Info branch, for eample to get their phone # to call.
The General Info branch has  a tag  "Cust-Info", but I do not see a 
wayto use it in my filter to get both the general info and notes for 
those customers matching the filter crtieria.

Any suggestions are welcome.
Thx.
8334

From: imjb3 imjb@h...  <imjb@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: Help with Filters

 
That works!
Thank you!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>" 
<tsuchy@y...> wrote:
> D'OH, forgot that priority '-' is 0...
> 
> it would have to be:
> 
> OR GROUP | Condition
> 
> A | Priority == 1
> A | Priority == 2
> A | Target Date <= Next Week
> B | Priority == 1
> B | Priority == 2
> B | Target Date Present is True
> 
> -tom
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" 
<imjb@h...>
> wrote:
> > I would like to build the following filter:
> > (Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
> > Target date != 0).
> > 
> > I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date 
<= 
> > Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome
> and 
> > I would like to combine them into one filter.
> > 
> > I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' 
condition 
> > with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.
> > 
> > I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom 
tags, 
> > but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' 
info 
> > and would seem redundant.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Thank you!
8335

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Another filtering question

 
Depending on whether or not you tag each individual entry, couldn't
you just OR the tags together?

- ... rest of filter
A Tag Association to "Follow-Up"
A Tag Association to "Cust-Info"

I have a feeling it's not that simple...

-tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "mdkaac <mdkp@c...>"
<mdkp@c...> wrote:
> I have a list of all my information related to the sales activity 
> that I do. The list is structured like this:
> 
> Customer
>    General Info
>        Phone 999 888 7777
>        Address  1 Road, NY, NY
>    Notes
>        Individual notes on each call or sales contact
> 
> I use tages such as Follow-up Due on the Notes to identify customers 
> where I have to take some action.
> 
> I setup a filter called  Activity Due Today
> The filter looks like:
>     - Target Date less/equal Today
>     - Target Date greater/equal to Last Week
>     - Tag Association to "Follow-up"
> 
> This filter correctly grabs all cusomer notes with follow-up due 
> today or in the last week.
> 
> My problem, is when that filter is applied, I cannot get to the data 
> in the General Info branch, for eample to get their phone # to call.
> The General Info branch has  a tag  "Cust-Info", but I do not see a 
> wayto use it in my filter to get both the general info and notes for 
> those customers matching the filter crtieria.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.
> Thx.
8336

From: mdkaac mdkp@c...  <mdkp@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:12am
Subject: Re: Another filtering question

 
Good suggestion, but its not that simple. An OR would give me all of 
the customers (just their general info), and the notes for those 
with the follow-up tag. So I end with a list of all customers not 
just those I need to follow-up with.

Thanks though.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>" 
<tsuchy@y...> wrote:
> Depending on whether or not you tag each individual entry, couldn't
> you just OR the tags together?
> 
> - ... rest of filter
> A Tag Association to "Follow-Up"
> A Tag Association to "Cust-Info"
> 
> I have a feeling it's not that simple...
> 
> -tom
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "mdkaac <mdkp@c...>"
> <mdkp@c...> wrote:
> > I have a list of all my information related to the sales 
activity 
> > that I do. The list is structured like this:
> > 
> > Customer
> >    General Info
> >        Phone 999 888 7777
> >        Address  1 Road, NY, NY
> >    Notes
> >        Individual notes on each call or sales contact
> > 
> > I use tages such as Follow-up Due on the Notes to identify 
customers 
> > where I have to take some action.
> > 
> > I setup a filter called  Activity Due Today
> > The filter looks like:
> >     - Target Date less/equal Today
> >     - Target Date greater/equal to Last Week
> >     - Tag Association to "Follow-up"
> > 
> > This filter correctly grabs all cusomer notes with follow-up due 
> > today or in the last week.
> > 
> > My problem, is when that filter is applied, I cannot get to the 
data 
> > in the General Info branch, for eample to get their phone # to 
call.
> > The General Info branch has  a tag  "Cust-Info", but I do not 
see a 
> > wayto use it in my filter to get both the general info and notes 
for 
> > those customers matching the filter crtieria.
> > 
> > Any suggestions are welcome.
> > Thx.
8337

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:37am
Subject: Re: Recent Files showing deleted files.

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> When I use the recent files list and click on a file that has been 
> deleted I get an error message. It would be good if the list just 
> simply didn't show files that had been deleted.

	Yeah; I need to add into the deletion system to remove the file
from the Recent Files list. Right now they stay on there until you visit
enough files to bump them off. You can do a "Clear list" or whatever to
wipe it out and then it'll rebuild itself with file visits pretty quickly.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8338

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:38am
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Ken Gordon wrote:

> Jeff
> This reminds me that I asked recently whether it would be possible to 
> provide a pref that would allow the "top-right popmenus" to default to 
> showing the list of recent files. Any thoughts?

	Being one-button-press away isn't good enough? :)

		jeff

> 
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:39 , Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
> >
> >> I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is
> >> there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that
> >> file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am
> >> done with the linked list?
> >
> > 	There is the Recent Files popup. I considered adding a Back button
> > like in a browser, but I figured Recent Files was more useful.. letting
> > you jump to any list you've been to halfway recently. If Shadow is bound
> > to a hardkey, you can push that hardkey to pop up the recent files list,
> > or you can bring it up from the pulldown menus or the top-right 
> > popmenus.
> >
> > 		jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> Ken Gordon
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8339

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:36am
Subject: Re: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, rblanzan <rblanzan@i...> wrote:

> > 	The theme should always alternate (aside from the selected
> > item). If you get the same theme twice in a row (when they're set 
> up
> > differently of course :) its a bug. Any way to reproduce it?
> 
> It happens every time on all the lists.  However, I have found the
> effect to be random at times.  eg if I tap to highlight all the even
> colours, some will change and others won't but I will get, say 3 items
> in one colour and then a couple in another.  It doesn't even appear to
> be parent related anymore as I've tried it with a flat list of less
> than one screen, but I'm getting a headache playing with it :)  I
> tried it with different feature combinations, such as title bar on and
> off, custom items and checklists etc, but I can't seem to put my
> finger on any one combination.

	I've now seen it on my unit; seems to relate to having a few
multi-line items and some series of conditions. Theres a number of
oddities in the theme version, so I'm goign to be putting another alpha
out (in shadow-test mailing list only) with some fixes to see if I can
catch them all. 

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8340

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:00am
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

 
You're right. I had forgotten about this.

On 02/12/11 17:38, "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...> wrote:

> Being one-button-press away isn't good enough? :)

--
8341

From: backbencher backbencher@y...  <backbencher@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:14am
Subject: A Small Request

 
Hi Jeff,

This is just cosmetic, but I found that when I switched to smaller 
font (8pt.), the note icon only showed up in half size. Is this 
fixable? No hurry at all; thanks and have yourself a happy holiday!

Ben - Shadow Plan enthusiast :)
8342

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:35pm
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

 
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, LayDBug wrote:

> I'm new to Shadow.  Could someone explain the "tag" idea to me?

	At their most basic, you can think of traditional Palm categories
in other applciations like "tags". Except with Shadow Tags you can have
more than one per item, and yuo can have mroe than 15 tags (you can only
have 15 Palm categories). Furthermore, you can in fact categorize tags
since you can have so many of them :)

	So, for instance.. I have tags for locations (Home, Work, Enroute,
etc), and importance (High, Low, Medium) and other such things, as well as
peoples names, and equipment dependancies, etc.

	So I acn tag an item with a location, a person, and importance,
and dependnaices..

	Then produce custom filters to select items based on one or more
tags.

	Much mroe powerful than categories :)

		jeff

> Dawn
> 
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:54:20 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] List Specific tags
>  
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> 
> > How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> > 
> > I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> > dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!
> 
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8343

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Re: Create new file in LinkMgr

 
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Stuart Gibbons <stuart.gibbons@p...> wrote:

> Can I add something to the dev-list:  Can you make it possible to 
> create a new Shadow file from the File Link screen in the Link 
> Manager?  I'd like to have a list of projects, but then for bigger 
> projects link out to a new file, e.g.

	Hmm. You can do a quick file creation from the recent files
popup. You'd still have to go back and add the link to it, mind you..

	Neat idea though :)

		jeff

> 
> ShadP-Projects
> --------------
> ProjA
> ProjB ->file link to ShadP-ProjB
> ProjC
> 
> ShadP_ProjB
> -----------
> Sub-ProjA
> Sub-ProjB
> 
> 
> It'd be a lot more intuitive for me to do:
> Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->New [type in name] 
> 
> than:
> 
> Exit file->New->[Type Name]->[Open original file]->[Find correct item 
> to link]->Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->Choose new file
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Stuart
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8344

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, grumpstone <grumpstone@y...> wrote:

> Hey Jeff, I have been wondering, why can't you link to the calendar or
> tasklist on the desktop, but create the link on the palm on a
> hotsynch?  That way you don't have to worry about the Palm Desktop,
> Outlook, Lotus Notes, or whathaveyou.  To get the link to work on the
> desktop, I guess you would have to hotsynch again.  Slightly confusing
> at first but easy to get used to, and still better than having no
> linking ability on the desktop, IMHO.

	Yes, thats exactly my plan. I'll likely add checkboxes to the item
details on the desktop... "create todo link" and "create datebook
link". Then when you sync, it all goes ove to Shadow. When you *open*( the
Shadow file, it would then create the necessary links. I'm thinking thats
the way to go.. ie: Creating the linekd objects during sync might be
uncool, since who knows what all else is going on during the sync :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8345

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Tags, Re: Digest Number 734

 
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Doug M-C wrote:

> Jeff, not all of us have hi-res Palm devices with the screen real
> estate to be adding tag columns on all our lists and still be
> able to read them. Secondly, as I and others have said before,

	You can create an "edit" view that has a tag column; I've got a
view with all sorts of gadgets in it.. and since I read moer than I edit,
I only occasionally flip to Edit View, and then flip back to my Read View
when done. *shrug* :)

> when we are already in the link manager adding other links when
> we create a new item, it makes NO sense for us to have to leave
> the link manager and use a tag column to create the tags. Why
> can't we have at least the same functionality in the tag part of
> the link manager as we do in the address part (which does allow
> category choice).

	You will. I've just not had time to add it in, sorry :( I will try
and get that in.

> And for both addresses and tags in the link manager: sticky tabs,
> and the ability to add multiple tags and/or addresses without
> leaving the address/memo/tag window would be even more helpful.

	You hit a lot of peoples suggestions right on the head :)

> The tag column is great on some of my lists. But it would be far, far
> more helpful to be able to efficiently add tags in the link manager as
> I am creating my items on many (most?) of my lists.
> 
> However, I am happy to wait for this till some more desktop
> development has happened (but not tooooo long <grin>).

	*g* Soon :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8346

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: Re: A Small Request

 
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, backbencher <backbencher@y...> wrote:

> This is just cosmetic, but I found that when I switched to smaller 
> font (8pt.), the note icon only showed up in half size. Is this 
> fixable? No hurry at all; thanks and have yourself a happy holiday!

	Since we cannot scale images well in Palm OS, and me including a
dozen sets of icons (small and large) would be both painful and bloaty, I
make it a rule.. if you choose too small a font, its your own problem :)
In general, Shadow won't let things get too small as to be insane (it'll
pad the height), but a few things get clipped when you get too small.

	Still.. 8 point should be okay. Its when you get to 7 or 5 it gets
really squishy.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8347

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:00pm
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

 
Hey Jeff, could you give us your methodology for handling projects and
such, with perhaps a more detailed view of how you tend to outline
things, a more complete listing of your tags, and maybe a peek at how
you tend to filter and such? I mean, I have a pretty good idea of how
to do the things i'd like to do, but it would be a great help to just
see how you do things...

I remember from the screenshots of the desktops you posted, that you
keep music listings of some sort in your Shadow, but that doesn't give
me an idea of how you use it for projects and other things...

Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)

My apologies if you've posted this info before, or if you don't want
to post it for fear of biasing people in their usage of the app.

Thanks,

!tom!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> At their most basic, you can think of traditional Palm categories
> in other applciations like "tags". Except with Shadow Tags you can have
> more than one per item, and yuo can have mroe than 15 tags (you can only
> have 15 Palm categories). Furthermore, you can in fact categorize tags
> since you can have so many of them :)
> So, for instance.. I have tags for locations (Home, Work, Enroute,
> etc), and importance (High, Low, Medium) and other such things, as
well as
> peoples names, and equipment dependancies, etc.
> So I acn tag an item with a location, a person, and importance,
> and dependnaices..
> Then produce custom filters to select items based on one or more
> tags.
> Much mroe powerful than categories :)
> 		jeff
8348

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: List Specific tags

 
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> Hey Jeff, could you give us your methodology for handling projects and
> such, with perhaps a more detailed view of how you tend to outline
> things, a more complete listing of your tags, and maybe a peek at how
> you tend to filter and such? I mean, I have a pretty good idea of how
> to do the things i'd like to do, but it would be a great help to just
> see how you do things...

	Theres an old developers rule that applies here; the developer of
a product is usually not its most sophisticated user :)  Most of the
really juicy stuff is used by everyone *but* me, since my life is spent
doing development for people who are unlike me (non-develoeprs) ;)  ie: I
don't run a department of 200 salesmen, or take air rides state to state
taking notes, or take Shadow to school to make notes in. My uses are much
simpler :) I don't (yet) have kids to make chores for. I do keep my
Christmas gift list in there, but as you knkow thats very elementary. I do
ahve a team of developers, but with very specific goals and short spans of
time due to tight budgets (the IT crash...).

	I do make some examples in the Ref Guide in the tag section, mind
you, and if you scan the archives you can get a peek.

	I'm a big fan of the Edit menu.. "copy and uncheck all checked",
for making lists of things. I'm big on a very limited number of tags. But
msotly I just keep a hundred or more lists of everything.. but they're
usually just checklists.

	I use Views with attached Custom Filters to restrict what I need
to look at, based on tags.

	Talk amongst yourselves.. but your humble Shadow creator pales in
comparison to most of you guys :)

> I remember from the screenshots of the desktops you posted, that you
> keep music listings of some sort in your Shadow, but that doesn't give
> me an idea of how you use it for projects and other things...

	I keep lists of everything. I collect arcade equipment, which
means I've got ltysts of hundreds of components. I keep inventories of
software and licenses and devkits (expirees, etc). I keep my CD listings,
m ywants-to-buy, things of interest, places to go, notes on everything.

	I'm one of those packrats who writes down *everything*.

	But all simply. I'm very very busy, so keep my data fast to access
and fairly carefully filed by filename so I can jump around quick.

	I do keep a table of contents file with fiel links to various
places, so I have my own file listing..

	I guess my uses are sophisticated in dumb ways :)

> Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
> had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)

	You might be thinking of Pete Townsend? (Pink Floyd fame?)

> My apologies if you've posted this info before, or if you don't want
> to post it for fear of biasing people in their usage of the app.

	You're very right; I try to avoid posting my ideas abotu usage or
my political thoughts about other apps, etc, since I do not influence. I'm
an observer.. Shadow must be developed in the needs of its users and not
my needs (and hopefully they overlap with mine).. so if I go leading
discussions about usage, then its nto sueful to me or you :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8349

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:11pm
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

 
Thanks for posting this; I understand your reasons for not wanting to
go too public with your practices.

And totally off-topic, but I did my research, and:

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
> > had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)
> 
> 	You might be thinking of Pete Townsend? (Pink Floyd fame?)


he WAS in the Steve Vai band, and sang on the album "Sex and Religion";
Pete Townshend was in the Who.
8350

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 0:02am
Subject: Re: Re: List Specific tags

 
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> Thanks for posting this; I understand your reasons for not wanting to
> go too public with your practices.
> 
> And totally off-topic, but I did my research, and:
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
> > > had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)
> > 
> > 	You might be thinking of Pete Townsend? (Pink Floyd fame?)
> 
> he WAS in the Steve Vai band, and sang on the album "Sex and Religion";
> Pete Townshend was in the Who.

	Woops. Well, there you go. I'll have to check now.. Devin is a
young lad, but Steve Vai does get around. Small world :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8351

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 0:07am
Subject: OFF-TOPIC

 
Heh, I can't resist, and this is the last I'll say about it:

I used to think the biggest All-Star band would be:
Geddy Lee: Bass
Neal Peart: Drums
Steve Vai: Guitar
John Denver: Vocals

But my tastes have changed considerably; now I'd put Tori Amos on the
vocals. :D

!tom!
8352

From: amelchi2001 alessandromelchiorre@i...  <alessandromelchiorre@i...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:05am
Subject: shadow and outlook gtd add-in

 
Hello jeff,

I think Shadow will be the best Palm apllication to match the 
GTD outook add-in; its capabilities of grouping to-dos is the 
lacking feature of the too simple To-do default application.

I quote a post that I sent to the GTD forum hoping to be clear 
enough...

"...the problem is that the Project list is a sort of collecting task of 
many different tasks (send an email, phone to somebody, write 
down an article, etc...) that after becomes actions... in GTDOA 
they are related and grouped adding a field to the records (the 
field Project) but in Palm todo? they are only a collection of 
individual tasks with no grouping (under the project name) and 
no relationships with actions..."

please think of it, many many users of Outlook will be grateful!


thanks
alessandro
8353

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Managing lists - (filtering across lists)

 
I think Graham surmised the 'problem' perfectly.  I too would like to
have different lists for projects 1..n, personal stuff, etc.
I know from posts here and in GtD that many others have this same dilema.


Jeff - could you consider in future allowing filtering to work across
a group of lists.  I'm thinking of something that would let you
specify a few lists and have the filter show all matching items from
all of the selected lists.

TIA
Victor

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gf_gollum
<graham_foster@m...>" <graham_foster@m...> wrote:
...Because filtering / viewing does NOT work across lists, 
> then you are forced to keep everything in a single giant list.
> i.e. if I want to know "What do I need to do today?", then I must 
> have 1 list with ALL my to-do's in.
> 
> The only other approach is to link every entry in every Shadow list 
> to the ToDo view, and effectively flatten your views that way. 
> Porblem is then, you need to edit it in 1 application, and view it in 
> another :-(
> 
> Graham
8354

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing lists - (filtering across lists)

 
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, vjornes <vjornes@y...> wrote:

> I think Graham surmised the 'problem' perfectly.  I too would like to
> have different lists for projects 1..n, personal stuff, etc.
> I know from posts here and in GtD that many others have this same dilema.
> 
> Jeff - could you consider in future allowing filtering to work across
> a group of lists.  I'm thinking of something that would let you
> specify a few lists and have the filter show all matching items from
> all of the selected lists.

	I'm thinking of a "report find" type operation.. you specify a
filter, and then Shadow creates a new list of all matching items
(duplicates of them), temporarily. Sort of like "find", but using a Shadow
filter. Or once I allow item to item linking, it woudl create a new list,
with links to the originals. 

	But "filtering" per se can't work across lists.. Shadow is only
able to open one list at a time, andf filters are on the current list. I
may sometime make it so Shadow can open multiple lists, but its lots of
work.

		jeff

> 
> TIA
> Victor
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gf_gollum
> <graham_foster@m...>" <graham_foster@m...> wrote:
> ...Because filtering / viewing does NOT work across lists, 
> > then you are forced to keep everything in a single giant list.
> > i.e. if I want to know "What do I need to do today?", then I must 
> > have 1 list with ALL my to-do's in.
> > 
> > The only other approach is to link every entry in every Shadow list 
> > to the ToDo view, and effectively flatten your views that way. 
> > Porblem is then, you need to edit it in 1 application, and view it in 
> > another :-(
> > 
> > Graham
> 
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> 

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8355

From: drlewillis drewillis@p...  <drewillis@p...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:47pm
Subject: Linking files not items

 
I am evaluating ShadowPlan for use with DateBk 5.  I want to create a 
file to link to my to do list.  I know how to link the individual 
tasks in the file, but I can't seem to link the file itself.

For example, I want to create a file named Morning Routine.  The 
items in that file will contain breakfast, clean kitchen, feed cats, 
etc.

I want to link Morning Routine to DateBk 5.  I do not want the items 
in that file to show up in the to do list.  I only want to see 
Morning Routine.

Help??
8356

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 0:50am
Subject: Re: Linking files not items

 
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, drlewillis <drewillis@p...> wrote:

> I am evaluating ShadowPlan for use with DateBk 5.  I want to create a 
> file to link to my to do list.  I know how to link the individual 
> tasks in the file, but I can't seem to link the file itself.
> 
> For example, I want to create a file named Morning Routine.  The 
> items in that file will contain breakfast, clean kitchen, feed cats, 
> etc.
> 
> I want to link Morning Routine to DateBk 5.  I do not want the items 
> in that file to show up in the to do list.  I only want to see 
> Morning Routine.

	Make an item called "Morning Routine" and link it to DB5?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8357

From: Peter Bulthuis  <peter.bulthuis@w...>
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: Problem with filtering and jogdial

 
Hello,

With my Sony NR70V I have problem with filtered Shadowfiles. The
selectionbar disappears and a little later (when I turn the jogdial) it
appears again. Is this a bug?

Greetz,

Peter
8358

From: Marc Vanstraelen vanstraelen.marc@s...  <vanstraelen.marc@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: How to remove Shadow desktop & conduit

 
I've installed the Shadow Desktop & conduit for evaluation, but I've 
come to the conclusion that it has not much added value for me (I 
hardly use the desktop for the things I use my Palm for, just backing 
up my files in a daily hotsync).

So my question is: how do I uninstall/remove the desktop, so that I 
don't keep any "orphans", traces on both my Palm, in the Hotsync 
manager etc.?
8359

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 0:16am
Subject: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
editor.. thoughts?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8360

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 3:19am
Subject: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
Cool.  I'm for that.

--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
>	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
>down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
>editor.. thoughts?
>
>		jeff
>



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8361

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:00am
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
How about the carriage return keystroke committing the current text, then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next sibling?

It'd make it easier to enter lists...

Especially with the current action where adding a child or sibling to the item at the bottom of the display using the mini editor leaves the new item off the bottom of the display.

Anthony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Monday, 16 December 2002 11:17
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] faster dismiss of mini editor
> 
> 
> 
> 	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
> down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
> editor.. thoughts?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> 
>  
> 
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>
8363

From: Ken Latham clatham1@t...  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:40am
Subject: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "ROYLE Anthony"
<anthony.royle@t...> wrote:
> How about the carriage return keystroke committing the current text,
then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next
sibling?
> 
> It'd make it easier to enter lists...
> 
<snip>

Interesting quandry! Have the up/down button (a) leave mini-edit and
return to browsing or (b) to signify the addition of another entry.

I'd have to go with (b), for two reasons...

(1) Leaving edit seems "accident prone" but I can't really put my
finger on exactly why that would be the case ... or maybe "putting my
finger on it" *would* be the problem...

(2) I would find continual sibling entry *very* convenient!


Hmmm, make Up signify return to browse and Down signify another entry?
Nah, seems quirky ... even to me...

Ken
8364

From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:46am
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook

 
Jeff,

When I link a todo item from Shadow to DateBk5 (using link manager), 
then link the todo to the datebook, then set up a repeating alarm 
with an irregular schedule [note: the item is set up in DB5 as 
an "Appt" not a "Float"], I can't seem to get the alarm to "stick" 
{the box keeps coming unchecked).  Do I have a Shadow-related issue 
or a DB5-related issue?  Your thoughts?

Todd


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, fiatspider72 wrote:
> 
> > Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry 
on
> > the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
> > calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
> > Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) 
placing
> > that time in the  in the DB entry.
> 
> 	Yeah, sounds best. I wastoo asleep when I said otherwise 
(though I
> was thinking of the idea of a popup for hours, so you could use jog 
to
> quickly set it, etc.)
> 
> > While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature 
request!  I
> > would love to be able to have the ability to import things from 
the
> > DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos.  Example - 
sitting in
> > a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be 
using
> > my calandering application to see what else is going on, select 
days
> > for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
> > "[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format.  Jump over to Shadow when done,
> > import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
> > import and make the appropiate links.  Badda-bing, badda-boom!  I 
am
> > in heaven!  :-)
> 
> 	In the works :)
> 
> > Jeff - thanks for all of your hard work.  Shadow Plan has to be 
one of
> > the most useful applications that I use not only on my Visor 
Platinum,
> > but on my PC as well.
> 
> 	Your welcome.
> 
> 	Xmas is comign thuogh.. I may be slower for a bit. Need to buy
> presents :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8365

From: Peter Bulthuis  <peter.bulthuis@w...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:17pm
Subject: Crash Shadow reinstalling tags?

 
Hello,

I had a crash with Shadow and must reinstall it. Now all my Shadowfiles are
gone and so are my tags. I could reinstall my files, but not my tags. Is it
possible to reinstall them or must I make new ones?

Greetz,

Peter
8366

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: Re: Problem with filtering and jogdial

 
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Peter Bulthuis wrote:

> With my Sony NR70V I have problem with filtered Shadowfiles. The
> selectionbar disappears and a little later (when I turn the jogdial)
> it appears again. Is this a bug?

	Yep; the jog currently ignores the filteras and thus the selection
picks a filtered (hidden) item.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8367

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:24pm
Subject: Re: How to remove Shadow desktop & conduit

 
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Marc Vanstraelen <vanstraelen.marc@s...> wrote:

> I've installed the Shadow Desktop & conduit for evaluation, but I've
> come to the conclusion that it has not much added value for me (I
> hardly use the desktop for the things I use my Palm for, just backing
> up my files in a daily hotsync).
> 
> So my question is: how do I uninstall/remove the desktop, so that I
> don't keep any "orphans", traces on both my Palm, in the Hotsync
> manager etc.?

	There should be a "codejedi" uninstall in add/remove programs on
your PC. Failing the uninstaller, you can always just remove
ShadowPlan2.dll from your machine, as well as the files instaleld to where
you specified them to go.

	Sorry for my rush..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8368

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook

 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:

> When I link a todo item from Shadow to DateBk5 (using link manager),
> then link the todo to the datebook, then set up a repeating alarm with
> an irregular schedule [note: the item is set up in DB5 as an "Appt"
> not a "Float"], I can't seem to get the alarm to "stick"  {the box
> keeps coming unchecked).  Do I have a Shadow-related issue or a
> DB5-related issue?  Your thoughts?

	Hmm. Probably a little of both now that I think about it. I'll
note it down to investigate. Coudl be the way we do the link updating that
loses the alarm on repeaters.

		jeff

> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, fiatspider72 wrote:
> > 
> > > Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry 
> on
> > > the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
> > > calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
> > > Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) 
> placing
> > > that time in the  in the DB entry.
> > 
> > 	Yeah, sounds best. I wastoo asleep when I said otherwise 
> (though I
> > was thinking of the idea of a popup for hours, so you could use jog 
> to
> > quickly set it, etc.)
> > 
> > > While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature 
> request!  I
> > > would love to be able to have the ability to import things from 
> the
> > > DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos.  Example - 
> sitting in
> > > a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be 
> using
> > > my calandering application to see what else is going on, select 
> days
> > > for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
> > > "[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format.  Jump over to Shadow when done,
> > > import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
> > > import and make the appropiate links.  Badda-bing, badda-boom!  I 
> am
> > > in heaven!  :-)
> > 
> > 	In the works :)
> > 
> > > Jeff - thanks for all of your hard work.  Shadow Plan has to be 
> one of
> > > the most useful applications that I use not only on my Visor 
> Platinum,
> > > but on my PC as well.
> > 
> > 	Your welcome.
> > 
> > 	Xmas is comign thuogh.. I may be slower for a bit. Need to buy
> > presents :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
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> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8369

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:28pm
Subject: Re: Crash Shadow reinstalling tags?

 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Peter Bulthuis wrote:

> I had a crash with Shadow and must reinstall it. Now all my
> Shadowfiles are gone and so are my tags. I could reinstall my files,
> but not my tags. Is it possible to reinstall them or must I make new
> ones?

	Shadow keepa a file "ShadTags" with all the tag details, and has
Hotsync Manager back it up. A reinstall should just inherit this. If you
do a hard reset (or new unit), HM should still bring this file
back. Failing that for some reason, you could manually install it from
your Hotsync Backups..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8370

From: mladensk susan@a...  <susan@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: setting up a project template

 
I am thinking that I can probably set up some kind of a template for 
projects that are always the same and then someone copy this over, 
rename and add and subtract tasks as required.  What I am thinking 
about is tax returns.  I do a lot of business tax returns (personal 
and corporate) and I have a checklist for the client to complete.  
What I would like to do is to set up all the tasks related to 
preparing the return and then have statuses that help me manage ( i 
think this may help me come tax season).  Problem is I am not sure 
how to set this up.  Any help is appreciated.

Susan
8371

From: gf_gollum graham_foster@m...  <graham_foster@m...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:21pm
Subject: Re: setting up a project template

 
> Problem is I am not sure 
> how to set this up.  Any help is appreciated.
Create your template as a list (say prefixed with T-), then use 
DUPLICATE ENTRY in the initial list view. Shadow then prompts you for 
a new name and copies the file for you.
Not quite the same as Listpro / Office products which ask you for a 
template o base the new doc on... but the end result is the same
Graham
8372

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:38am
Subject: RE: Re: setting up a project template

 
Or have the checklist template as items under a single parent, then simply copy and paste the parent and rename it to match the client. This would keep all the clients together in a single file and avoid clutter in the file list.

e.g.

Template
   () Get forms
   () sign forms
   () etc.
Fred Quimby
   () Get forms
   () sign forms
   () etc.
Mike Myers
   () Get forms
   () sign forms
   () etc.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: gf_gollum <graham_foster@m...>
> [mailto:graham_foster@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2002 10:22
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: setting up a project template
> 
> 
> > Problem is I am not sure 
> > how to set this up.  Any help is appreciated.
> Create your template as a list (say prefixed with T-), then use 
> DUPLICATE ENTRY in the initial list view. Shadow then prompts you for 
> a new name and copies the file for you.
> Not quite the same as Listpro / Office products which ask you for a 
> template o base the new doc on... but the end result is the same
> Graham
> 
> 
> 
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>
8373

From: zombiedad zombiedad@y...  <zombiedad@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 4:35am
Subject: Project Management

 
I am currently interested in harnessing Shadow's power to effectively 
manage projects. It would be helpful to see how advanced project 
manager's use Shadow's features. An example of the parent/ child 
heirarchy of list items would help visualize how, sorting, tags, 
custom filters, and custom views support project management. The 
archives do not seem to have much substantive material on the topic 
of project management (unless I'm looking in the wrong place). Have 
you thought about a few discussions devoted to project management or 
a forum dedicated to project management? There seems to be alot of 
interest amongst Shadow users with varying amounts of project 
management experience. Recently, there have been several posts about 
this topic and the development of a list template for project 
mangement. I am very interested in hearing how others have combined 
the "power" Shadow features mentioned above.

Btw, anyone know why some of my items seem to randomly be assigned 
the creation date 01/01/04?

Steve Rabin
8374

From: gf_gollum graham_foster@m...  <graham_foster@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:30pm
Subject: 2.6.9 Crash when jogging

 
Jogging Shadow beta 2.6.9 caused a crash & reset loop that I 
could't get out of (Sony Clie NR70V OS4.1) Other hacks were 
EasyLaunch and Pagedown Hack 0.4 & Megawiki I was able to reproduce 
this crash with MW disabled too

I was using the sustained hold on the BACK button which normally 
activates the blue highlight to move between fields. I have moved up 
to the List Type drop down on the DETAILS screen and was trying to 
jog up & down that list (as usual). The Sony locked up. No response 
from 
anything.

On soft reset, it entered a reset loop. On reset with the UP hardkey 
pressed it was still in a reset loop. I was forced to do a hard reset 
and lose the data.

When I repeated this (after disabling MW), the same freezing problem 
occured - this time a soft reset cured it. When I did the same thing 
again by using the stylus - I had no such problems.

Any ideas?
8375

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:47pm
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> How about the carriage return keystroke committing the current text,
> then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next
> sibling?

	Except when you wish to use multiline entrie sin one item :)

> It'd make it easier to enter lists...
> 
> Especially with the current action where adding a child or sibling to
> the item at the bottom of the display using the mini editor leaves the
> new item off the bottom of the display.

	It should auto scroll down to reveal the new item?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8376

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Project Management

 
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, zombiedad <zombiedad@y...> wrote:

> custom filters, and custom views support project management. The 
> archives do not seem to have much substantive material on the topic 
> of project management (unless I'm looking in the wrong place). Have 
> you thought about a few discussions devoted to project management or 
> a forum dedicated to project management? There seems to be alot of 
> interest amongst Shadow users with varying amounts of project 
> management experience. Recently, there have been several posts about 
> this topic and the development of a list template for project 
> mangement. I am very interested in hearing how others have combined 
> the "power" Shadow features mentioned above.

	Be sure to visit shadow-tips mailing list (link from the website),
which is a forum dedicated to posting only good solid recipes for success.
Perhaps I shoudl go through and index it and make links to the good
articles from the website FAQ...

	But a good discussion idea. Lets get some good "how I use
Shadow" posts and then we can link them all up?

> Btw, anyone know why some of my items seem to randomly be assigned 
> the creation date 01/01/04?

	Probabyl created on the desktop?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8377

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:52pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 Crash when jogging

 
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, gf_gollum <graham_foster@m...> wrote:

> Jogging Shadow beta 2.6.9 caused a crash & reset loop that I 
> could't get out of (Sony Clie NR70V OS4.1) Other hacks were 
> EasyLaunch and Pagedown Hack 0.4 & Megawiki I was able to reproduce 
> this crash with MW disabled too
> 
> I was using the sustained hold on the BACK button which normally 
> activates the blue highlight to move between fields. I have moved up 
> to the List Type drop down on the DETAILS screen and was trying to 
> jog up & down that list (as usual). The Sony locked up. No response 
> from 
> anything.
> 
> On soft reset, it entered a reset loop. On reset with the UP hardkey 
> pressed it was still in a reset loop. I was forced to do a hard reset 
> and lose the data.
> 
> When I repeated this (after disabling MW), the same freezing problem 
> occured - this time a soft reset cured it. When I did the same thing 
> again by using the stylus - I had no such problems.
> 
> Any ideas?

	Weird. My gutt feeling would be to blame one of the hacks or the
OS hacks that Sony put in.. if it works via pen, it shoudl work via the
whacky sony jog stuff you're using. But strange.. I'll have to fiddle
around and see if I can reproduce it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8378

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:06am
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
> > How about the carriage return keystroke committing the current text,
> > then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next
> > sibling?
> 
> 	Except when you wish to use multiline entrie sin one item :)

Well it wouldn't *have* to be the return keystroke. How about field down, tab or a button?

> 
> > It'd make it easier to enter lists...
> > 
> > Especially with the current action where adding a child or 
> sibling to
> > the item at the bottom of the display using the mini editor 
> leaves the
> > new item off the bottom of the display.
> 
> 	It should auto scroll down to reveal the new item?
> 

Sadly not on my Tungsten, running 2.6.7 in hi-res mode :(

> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>
8379

From: tljr_2000 tlj1@c...  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:33am
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?

 
Jeff,

Just curious ... based on the feedback you received on this post from 
Oct, is there any chance we might get a Shadow version which links to 
DayNotez?  I would get quite a bit of use out of such a feature.

Todd



--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	I'm curious what is out there for purposes of dated note
> taking; ie: Datebook isn't good at it. Shadow is good for all forms 
of
> note taking, but I wonder what else is in this field.. Shadow is 
more a
> generalist after all and I'm curious what other applications are 
doing in
> this arena. Perhaps Shadow has some things to pick up from these 
guys, or
> perhaps Shadow needs to link to these guys? Since I know nothign of
> whatevers out there, I've become curious :)
> 
> 	I've heard only of DayNotez; I ran into someone today who was
> raving about it. Does anyone use it? Does it fit into GTD and 
Shadow Plan
> systems well? 
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8380

From: charlepp charlepp@c...  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:05pm
Subject: Paint problems again

 
Jeff: Using 2.6.9 on my NR-70U, just had a repeat of the background
paint problem that I thought this release had licked. When tapping on
an item's note icon, expanding the note, the custom color paints in
the upper right hand corner, where the filter and other 2 menu items
are....same issue as before! Maybe you can reproduce it?
Chris
8381

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:43pm
Subject: Re: Paint problems again

 
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, charlepp <charlepp@c...> wrote:

> Jeff: Using 2.6.9 on my NR-70U, just had a repeat of the background
> paint problem that I thought this release had licked. When tapping on
> an item's note icon, expanding the note, the custom color paints in
> the upper right hand corner, where the filter and other 2 menu items
> are....same issue as before! Maybe you can reproduce it?

	Yep; it'll be fixed in 2.6.10 soon :) (alpha, for shadow-test)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8382

From: Jesse Reyes jreyes1958@y...  <jreyes1958@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:31am
Subject: Re: using SP as outliner for large documents

 
Jeff, i was going thru the archives to see if you had addressed this

I have a palm 515 with a 190k outline -- no suboutlines yet (i'm 
trying to get them into tree structure for organization
there are no expanded notes, but some entries are sometimes two lines 
long -- totally of 450-500 items

i'm getting the dynamic memory message and sp is taking 
excrutiatingly long time to save and i get this message at almost 
every turn.

i have 1.5mb free on the device, but still get this error. I've 
turned off things like textplus and hacks like tealscript and nothing 
is in the clipboard, but i still get the warning.

before i embark on spending the time to do this reorganization of the 
items--why am i getting this memory message if i have so much memory 
left?

do i need yet more memory to get this to work? or are there other 
issues that i need to resolve

fyi, a lot of the items have good size notes, but don't have notes 
expanded.



--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Alan Macdougall wrote:
> 
> >             When the only tool you have is a hammer,
> >             everything looks like a nail.
> 
> 	So true :)
> 
> > Thanks for the explanation.  If I'm reading you right you are 
saying
> > that I shouldn't have too many problems as long as I've got free
> > memory the size of my documents.  And that it might help to keep 
the
> > outlines "rolled up" if I'm not using them?
> 
> 	Shadow only concerns itself with the currently open list; when
> closed, the lists are reasonably compact. But when a list is open, 
the
> more expanded notes, the more cache being taken up. Collapsed notes 
don't
> factor into the items size and dont' get cached into speed-memory.. 
but
> expanded notes factor into scrollbar size and all sorts of 
optimizations,
> so they are kept in the cache and factor into calculations. So if 
you have
> 1000 items, no problem. If you have 1000 items all with expanded 
notes,
> your'e going to chug a lot more :)
> 
> > The other thing I'm interested in is how people handle the 
transition
> > from an exported DOC file to Word.  I imagine it must be possible 
to
> > write some Macros to do at least some of the cleaning up and
> > reformatting.
> 
> 	Theres DOC editors for your desktop OS, too, so in theory you
> could open the DOc in one of them, and then copy/paste into Word.
> 
> 	You can also use Shadow Desktop to do it -- open your XML (or
> PDB) file, and save out as text or HTML or whatever.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > later
> > 
> > Alan
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> >                 Běonn caora dhubh ar an trčad is gile.
> >           (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)
> > 
> >                 <http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/dubh/>
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8383

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:15pm
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> > > How about the carriage return keystroke committing the current text,
> > > then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next
> > > sibling?
> > 
> > 	Except when you wish to use multiline entrie sin one item :)
> 
> Well it wouldn't *have* to be the return keystroke. How about field down, tab or a button?

	"Field down" (down/up quickly) was what I had suggested :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8384

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?

 
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:

> Just curious ... based on the feedback you received on this post from
> Oct, is there any chance we might get a Shadow version which links to
> DayNotez?  I would get quite a bit of use out of such a feature.

	Turns out most people just do it in Shadow, or do it in their
dateboko app (like Agendus or DB5). So no real need to link to DayNotez,
and some problems in doing so.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8385

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: using SP as outliner for large documents

 
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Jesse Reyes <jreyes1958@y...> wrote:

> Jeff, i was going thru the archives to see if you had addressed this
> 
> I have a palm 515 with a 190k outline -- no suboutlines yet (i'm 
> trying to get them into tree structure for organization
> there are no expanded notes, but some entries are sometimes two lines 
> long -- totally of 450-500 items
> 
> i'm getting the dynamic memory message and sp is taking 
> excrutiatingly long time to save and i get this message at almost 
> every turn.

	Then things are getting pretty tight. The m515 had a fairly good
set of memory so I'm surprised you'd see that sort of thing at "only" 500
items, but it depends on a lot of factors. Do you have lots of Hacks in
place? Hacks really eat into the amount of memory programs get to run in.

> i have 1.5mb free on the device, but still get this error. I've turned
> off things like textplus and hacks like tealscript and nothing is in
> the clipboard, but i still get the warning.

	The 1.5 is storage memory, not runtime heap or dynamic memory.
Hacks are what eat you up there. Try turning off (if temporarily) all your
hacks. Try doing a pinhole-reset on the back of yuor unit to help free up
and junk lieing around. (no data loss, but lets the system defragment
memory and such)

> before i embark on spending the time to do this reorganization of the
> items--why am i getting this memory message if i have so much memory
> left?

	A m515 actually has about 150k of dynamic memory give or take. So
consider 500 items times the length of those items in memory (which you
can't tell the size of them, but consider things like text length) and you
see the problem. Shadow caches .. it keeps as much in memory as it can and
when memory gets full ti starts caching out to storage memory. When a
latrge amount of stuff gets cached, you run into a dramatic slowdown which
would be what your'e seeing.

	So the amoutn of stuff in your list is killing it. Lots of long
items?

> do i need yet more memory to get this to work? or are there other
> issues that i need to resolve
> 
> fyi, a lot of the items have good size notes, but don't have notes 
> expanded.

	Ahh, probably the notes. Expanded notes really cut into memory,
but even collapsed ones take effect on speeds as we have to allow for
various things to occur etc.

	I know people who zip along with 2mb lists on a m515 (no notes),
and people who zip along with 2000 items in a list. So its got to be the
notes or the size of all the aggregate items doing it (and yes how we do
memory.. we have optimized for the average cases, and some cases kill
Shadow :/)

	Try turning off hacks; if it improves things, try turning them on
one by one until you find otu which one is causing the most slowdowns (and
thus using up the most memory).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8386

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:40pm
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
Field down is fine, I was just adding to the suggestion that it would be nice to have the editor re-appear afterwards too... Maybe that is what you meant in the first place? :)

Original By Jeff:
>	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
> down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
> editor.. thoughts?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Friday, 20 December 2002 7:15
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] faster dismiss of mini editor
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> 
> > > > How about the carriage return keystroke committing the 
> current text,
> > > > then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next
> > > > sibling?
> > > 
> > > 	Except when you wish to use multiline entrie sin one item :)
> > 
> > Well it wouldn't *have* to be the return keystroke. How 
> about field down, tab or a button?
> 
> 	"Field down" (down/up quickly) was what I had suggested :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> 
> 
>
8387

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:03pm
Subject: RE: List Specific tags

 
Jeff,

Sorry to go back to this topic. I've followed your suggestion of using the tag column, and it does make them easier, but...

Shadow plan for me organises most of my information, and tags are becoming more essential to indexing, searching etc. But the tags are disappearing under their own weight. In one list I'd like to have tags of clients categorised by company, another document groups by classification, another with databus items categorised by message, grouped by device... The list goes on (and gets even more boring!)

Maybe I'm the only one hitting this, but SP allows me to organise so many unrelated lists, each with categories of tags specific to it that even the list view approach involves a lot of tag scrolling!

I realise that global tags are, and should be, here to stay. But being able to apply a filter for a particular list to limit the global tag categories available to that list, or even having categories only for that list would be a great organisational bonus to me and hopefully other taggers.

Anyway, I'd like to wish Jeff and all other ShadowPlanners a slight early Merry Christmas!

Anthony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2002 11:54
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] List Specific tags
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> 
> > How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> > 
> > I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> > dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!
> 
> 	Make sure you categorize your tags :)
> 
> > Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them unwieldy
> 
> 	Yeah, it can.
> 
> > Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of tags, but
> > the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and 
> still requires
> > too many clicks!
> 
> 	Tried the tag column? It allows very fast tagging (two tap add
> tag, and very few taps to swap tags or remove tags, etc). The 
> tag column
> is very efficient, and you can put it into a custom view for 
> "EDit" say,
> and then toggle in and out of tag column quickly :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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>
8388

From: awd3034 awd3034@y...  <awd3034@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:22pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?

 
Jeff, 

I am another who would find the ability to link do a Day Notez entry 
very helpful.  I'm not a big fan of one trick pony programs, but Day 
Notez works well for me in meetings and phone calls. I hope you think 
about putting it on a "maybe" list.

Happy Holidays

Alex 

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> 
> > Just curious ... based on the feedback you received on this post 
from
> > Oct, is there any chance we might get a Shadow version which 
links to
> > DayNotez?  I would get quite a bit of use out of such a feature.
> 
> 	Turns out most people just do it in Shadow, or do it in their
> dateboko app (like Agendus or DB5). So no real need to link to 
DayNotez,
> and some problems in doing so.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8389

From: pfieldho_99 pfieldho_99@y...  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:49pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?

 
> I am another who would find the ability to link do a Day Notez 
entry 
> very helpful.  I'm not a big fan of one trick pony programs, but 
Day 
> Notez works well for me in meetings and phone calls. I hope you 
think 
> about putting it on a "maybe" list.

There are some hacks/programs that allow you to do linking between 
most programs. I use a hack called "Linker". 
http://www.digitalglyph.com/linkinfo.html
I've heard of another thing here in this group called Megawiki , but 
have not looked into it. Sounds like it is more powerful than Linker.

Paul
8390

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: Getting Things Done softback...

 
FYI since this group recently discussed Getting Things Done management...the softback is now shipping from Amazaon.com, as mine is now on the way!
Enjoy,
Kevin

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8391

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:05pm
Subject: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
OK, I have been evaluating Shadow plan for a couple of weeks now. 
While reading this group I was led to the Getting Things Done 
(GTD_Palm) group. I really want to be able to implement this system 
using ShadowPlan. However, I have also discovered several roadblocks:

* ShadowPlan files are significantly larger that equivalent 
BrainForest or Thought Manager files. Therefore I will need to store 
my ShadowPlan files on my memory card if I have any hope of keeping 
all the info I expect to keep in ShadowPlan.

* ShadowPlan can only link to outlines that are stored in regular 
RAM and not to outlines stored in a memory card.

* Any mention of using a memory card mounting hack for storing 
things in a memory card only talks about storing the program itself 
and READ-ONLY data files on the memory card. I get the impression 
that, even if I mounted a directory on the card I would not be able 
to edit files on the card, let alone link to them.

*I looked into using MegaWiki to link to files on the memory card 
but it will only work with some of the memory card mounting hacks. 
It has specifically been found not to work with Jeff Mitchell's 
favorite hack, PiDirect. Besides, what good does it do to be able to 
link to a file that you can't edit?


So here is the big question:
Is there some way to store my ShadowPlan outline files on a memory 
card while still being able to edit them and link to them? If so, 
please explain it in exact detail. I have spent several weeks 
researching this and I am just about ready to give up on using 
ShadowPlan altogether.

Note: I have not registered ShadowPlan and don't intend to if it 
can't do what I need.
8392

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

 
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> Field down is fine, I was just adding to the suggestion that it would
> be nice to have the editor re-appear afterwards too... Maybe that is
> what you meant in the first place? :)

	I hadn't thought of that; since the editor pops up as soon as you
start writing anyway, I don't think it would be wise to have the ME remain
open. (ie: It would then imply a certain usage and thus make it less
useful. Since it pops up on its own and is thus fast and not in the way,
thats prolly the best way to do it.)

	I'll take a look :)

		jeff

> 
> Original By Jeff:
> >	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
> > down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
> > editor.. thoughts?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, 20 December 2002 7:15
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] faster dismiss of mini editor
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> > 
> > > > > How about the carriage return keystroke committing the 
> > current text,
> > > > > then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next
> > > > > sibling?
> > > > 
> > > > 	Except when you wish to use multiline entrie sin one item :)
> > > 
> > > Well it wouldn't *have* to be the return keystroke. How 
> > about field down, tab or a button?
> > 
> > 	"Field down" (down/up quickly) was what I had suggested :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8393

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: RE: List Specific tags

 
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> I realise that global tags are, and should be, here to stay. But being
> able to apply a filter for a particular list to limit the global tag
> categories available to that list, or even having categories only for
> that list would be a great organisational bonus to me and hopefully
> other taggers.

	OKay. Bug me later. It is possible to create a tag-mask that
perhaps limits the visible tags to a certasin category perhaps. I'm not
sure I want to have categories-of-tags-by-list.. that would be insanely
complex (different indexing of tags by list? Talk about performance killer
:) But limiting the visible tag categories perhaps ..

> Anyway, I'd like to wish Jeff and all other ShadowPlanners a slight
> early Merry Christmas!

	Thanks, and right back at you. I'm trying to releax a bit.. only
work until 5pm Christmas Eve ;)

		jeff

> 
> Anthony
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2002 11:54
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] List Specific tags
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> > 
> > > How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> > > 
> > > I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> > > dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!
> > 
> > 	Make sure you categorize your tags :)
> > 
> > > Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them unwieldy
> > 
> > 	Yeah, it can.
> > 
> > > Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of tags, but
> > > the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and 
> > still requires
> > > too many clicks!
> > 
> > 	Tried the tag column? It allows very fast tagging (two tap add
> > tag, and very few taps to swap tags or remove tags, etc). The 
> > tag column
> > is very efficient, and you can put it into a custom view for 
> > "EDit" say,
> > and then toggle in and out of tag column quickly :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8394

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> OK, I have been evaluating Shadow plan for a couple of weeks now.  
> While reading this group I was led to the Getting Things Done
> (GTD_Palm) group. I really want to be able to implement this system
> using ShadowPlan. However, I have also discovered several roadblocks:
> 
> * ShadowPlan files are significantly larger that equivalent
> BrainForest or Thought Manager files. Therefore I will need to store
> my ShadowPlan files on my memory card if I have any hope of keeping
> all the info I expect to keep in ShadowPlan.

	Really? Thats surprising. We do keep a lot more info in there due
to the fact Shadow is so flexible, but I'd never thought of us getting a
little "file fatty". I have considered adding some simple built in
compression, but the format we have now is simple (which is important for
other developers who might want to plug into Shadow).

	Interesting.

	We support VFS so its not a biggy :)

> * ShadowPlan can only link to outlines that are stored in regular RAM
> and not to outlines stored in a memory card.

	Correct. Our mechanism doesn't note down the location of a file
(since we were doing this before there was VFS). I have flirted with the
idea of trying to open the file if present, or if not present, scan
available VFS media and open it from there if found. That shoudl work, but
woudln't elegant if you had a file with the same name but different
content on the VFS card. Course.. "don't do that" applies :)

> * Any mention of using a memory card mounting hack for storing things
> in a memory card only talks about storing the program itself and
> READ-ONLY data files on the memory card. I get the impression that,
> even if I mounted a directory on the card I would not be able to edit
> files on the card, let alone link to them.

	Tools like PowerRun work fine with Shadow; however, they can be
slow if you have huge volumes of data on the VFS card.

	Shadow can store its files on VFS.. that functionality is built
in. You can copy or move files back and forth. The only limit is that
files on the VFS are themselves uncategorized.. VFS is like one other
category. I may augment that system, since the OS doesn't offer any help
or consistency across applications here.

> *I looked into using MegaWiki to link to files on the memory card but
> it will only work with some of the memory card mounting hacks.  It has
> specifically been found not to work with Jeff Mitchell's favorite
> hack, PiDirect. Besides, what good does it do to be able to link to a
> file that you can't edit?

	Read-Only doesn't get along with Shadow anyway. Even with PiDirect
I kept all my data in main memory, and all my apps on VFS.

	So you can use VFS with Shadow easily.. its all built in already.
The only thing we don't have is the same as every other app.. we don't
suppose VFS categories. We're planning on adding that :)

> So here is the big question:
> Is there some way to store my ShadowPlan outline files on a memory 
> card while still being able to edit them and link to them? If so, 
> please explain it in exact detail. I have spent several weeks 
> researching this and I am just about ready to give up on using 
> ShadowPlan altogether.

	File Links don't yet work to VFS files. I can make that work as
above pretty soon, if its a good idea.

> Note: I have not registered ShadowPlan and don't intend to if it can't
> do what I need.

	Good. Throwing away money hasn't ever been the plan :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8395

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:51pm
Subject: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
Doesn't the program PowerRun take care of this issue?  From what i read and recall from my own use, seems to do what you are looking to do.  Anyone know for sure?
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:05 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?


  OK, I have been evaluating Shadow plan for a couple of weeks now. 
  While reading this group I was led to the Getting Things Done 
  (GTD_Palm) group. I really want to be able to implement this system 
  using ShadowPlan. However, I have also discovered several roadblocks:

  * ShadowPlan files are significantly larger that equivalent 
  BrainForest or Thought Manager files. Therefore I will need to store 
  my ShadowPlan files on my memory card if I have any hope of keeping 
  all the info I expect to keep in ShadowPlan.

  * ShadowPlan can only link to outlines that are stored in regular 
  RAM and not to outlines stored in a memory card.

  * Any mention of using a memory card mounting hack for storing 
  things in a memory card only talks about storing the program itself 
  and READ-ONLY data files on the memory card. I get the impression 
  that, even if I mounted a directory on the card I would not be able 
  to edit files on the card, let alone link to them.

  *I looked into using MegaWiki to link to files on the memory card 
  but it will only work with some of the memory card mounting hacks. 
  It has specifically been found not to work with Jeff Mitchell's 
  favorite hack, PiDirect. Besides, what good does it do to be able to 
  link to a file that you can't edit?


  So here is the big question:
  Is there some way to store my ShadowPlan outline files on a memory 
  card while still being able to edit them and link to them? If so, 
  please explain it in exact detail. I have spent several weeks 
  researching this and I am just about ready to give up on using 
  ShadowPlan altogether.

  Note: I have not registered ShadowPlan and don't intend to if it 
  can't do what I need.


  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com



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From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 2:57am
Subject: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 	Really? Thats surprising. We do keep a lot more info in 
there due
> to the fact Shadow is so flexible, but I'd never thought of us 
getting a
> little "file fatty".

A 2 or 3 K BrainForest file grew to 7k when I imported it into 
ShadowPlan. Perhaps you could find a way to not actually use space 
for empty fields. Most good database engines use pointers to data 
rather than always using the maximum field size for every record 
even if the field is empty.
 
> We support VFS so its not a biggy :)

Actually, I think it is kind of a biggie because you do not support 
VFS in a manner that gives the same functionality as files in RAM. I 
know this is mostly Palm's fault for providing an incomplete API. 
However, claiming that support for VFS is a cure for all ills is 
inappropriate as well.



> Tools like PowerRun work fine with Shadow; however, they can be
> slow if you have huge volumes of data on the VFS card.
> 
> Shadow can store its files on VFS.. that functionality is built
> in. You can copy or move files back and forth. The only limit is 
that
> files on the VFS are themselves uncategorized.. VFS is like one 
other
> category. I may augment that system, since the OS doesn't offer 
any help or consistency across applications here.

I don't care as much for categorization within files on the card. I 
figure, just wait for Palm to fix that one then just use their 
system. But I do care about linking to files on the card. Without 
that almost any of these systems becomes useless after you reach a 
certain level of complexity.

> File Links don't yet work to VFS files. I can make that work as
> above pretty soon, if its a good idea.

Please do, as I think this is the biggest bottleneck in productivity 
at this point.

> Throwing away money hasn't ever been the plan :)

I appreciate your candor.
8397

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 3:41am
Subject: Re: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> A 2 or 3 K BrainForest file grew to 7k when I imported it into
> ShadowPlan. Perhaps you could find a way to not actually use space for
> empty fields. Most good database engines use pointers to data rather
> than always using the maximum field size for every record even if the
> field is empty.

	Don't tell grandpa how to walk ;)

	Theres also historical necessity, ease of data sharing, speed of
access, and other factors at play. Shadow maps some of its "ram" to the
storage memory at times, for speed and memory size efficiency. Palm OS
makes things much more complicatwed than you might be otherwise used
to... desktop OS spoil you with things like "stack" and "heap" ;)

> > We support VFS so its not a biggy :)
> 
> Actually, I think it is kind of a biggie because you do not support
> VFS in a manner that gives the same functionality as files in RAM. I
> know this is mostly Palm's fault for providing an incomplete API.  
> However, claiming that support for VFS is a cure for all ills is
> inappropriate as well.

	If people report issues, I'll improve things. Slotted in my todo
are VFS categories. Linking to VFS hasn't come up much.

> I don't care as much for categorization within files on the card. I
> figure, just wait for Palm to fix that one then just use their system.
> But I do care about linking to files on the card. Without that almost
> any of these systems becomes useless after you reach a certain level
> of complexity.

	Agreed. (In fact, few people use file to file links; I figured it
woudl be immensely popular. Go figure ;)  I will add support as I
described in.

> > File Links don't yet work to VFS files. I can make that work as
> > above pretty soon, if its a good idea.
> 
> Please do, as I think this is the biggest bottleneck in productivity 
> at this point.

	Depends who you talk to :)

> > Throwing away money hasn't ever been the plan :)
> 
> I appreciate your candor.

	I strive to be pragmatic and democratic; I don't build the
application for me.. I build it for you guys (and me). So I listen very
carefully to what people talk about here and in the forums (I'm a lurker
for this purpose), and I'm very vocal when needed. Keeps things moving
nicely, and keeps things in the right direction. You find an itch, I'll
scratch it.

	You got it.. links to VFS files should go in in a little
while. (file to file links as described previously)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8398

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 4:56am
Subject: New file uploaded to shadow-discuss

 
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the shadow-discuss 
group.

  File        : /AGENDA PAD PRO 1.5.zip 
  Uploaded by : ggilliam2000 <genice1130@a...> 
  Description : GTD  SHADOW PLAN TEMPLATE 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/files/AGENDA%20PAD%20PRO%201.5.zip 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

ggilliam2000 <genice1130@a...>
8399

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 2:52pm
Subject: Re: Storing Outlines in Memory Cards, Editable & Linkable?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 	You got it.. links to VFS files should go in in a little
> while. (file to file links as described previously)

Looking forward to it.

Nice talking to ya.
8400

From: visualvibrations maclover88@m...  <maclover88@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:23am
Subject: Mac desktop progress?

 
Just checking in again to see how the mac desktop is coming?
In the meantime, Is there an easy way to open the .pdb files in 
my Backups folder in Mac OS 9 or X?
Happy Holidays
8401

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Mac desktop progress?

 
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, visualvibrations <maclover88@m...> wrote:

> Just checking in again to see how the mac desktop is coming?
> In the meantime, Is there an easy way to open the .pdb files in 
> my Backups folder in Mac OS 9 or X?

	Getting XCadeou the door, and dealing with Chrsitmas, delayed
things a bit. (As well as me being sick as a dog for 3 weeks and having
family in hospital.. this'll go down as one of the craziest years ever! :)

	Now that XCade 1.4 is out, I expect only a few minor updates to it
over the next few weeks. The main focus for the next few weeks will be
stablizing the Shadow 2.6.9 theming stuff and getting Mac OSX desktop to
beta quality. So I expect lots of OSX action in the testing group soon,
and I really want to get that sucker out the door.. so lots will happen
over the next few weeks. Just Christmas eats up all your time.. as it it
should :)

	Happy holidays!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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