From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple filter question

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, frac6969 <frac6969@y...> wrote:

> > 	A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a 
> matching
> > item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then all 
> the
> > parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can 
> actually get
> > to the unfinished child it matched.
> > 
> > 	Is this what yuo mean?
> 
> Yes, but sometimes the parent will show even if the filter has 
> removed all the children, and sometimes not.

	That shouldn't occur unless the parent matches the filter. If
you've got a file that always does it, let me know.

> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show
> all parents at all times.

	Doesn't make much sense.. ie: How many levels of parents? To make
it useful it would have to be paramaterizable, and thats too much work for
soemthing very few would ever use.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:42pm
Subject: Re: A general question, Shadow-related

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> real positive that the Tungsten doesn't have. And since not very many programs 
> support it, especially with the broken APIs in OS5 that Sony doesn't plan to 
> fix, it isn't a real advantage at all. And don't get me started on the awful 
> MS slot defects in the NR series, or the almost unusable keyboard either-- I 

	Hey Goddess, do you know any specifics about bad APIs? The Sony
OS5 stuff was a trick (since not well documented), but is good so far..
ie: Their highres in OS5 is just OS5 highres (though it was a hack before
OS5). So moving from OS4 to OS5 broke everything because of mistakes of
the past, not mistakes of the present. Though I've not looked into VG for
OS5 yet (I hope its the same as it was for OS4.. I'd have to implement it
twice :/) If youv'e heard horror stories from developers, let me know :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, jledesma28 <jledesma28@y...> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the the
> Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or Agendus
> desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks

	I'll look into it. No promises when :)

		jeff

> 
> best regards,
> 
> jl
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Managing lists

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:

> I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
> all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number of
> projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
> related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need to
> be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
> lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
> how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each list to see
> what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single view of all
> my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
> Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
> but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
> insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
> appreciated.

	Depends on how you wish to implement your own system; Shadow is
pretty flexible, so you can do ti any way you like. Of course, "best
practices" are different for everyone :/

	A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files ("a", "b", "c",
"d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", "d"). Whats
the difference? Its potentially a performance issue to have giant lists
(really giant), but for the most part is purely up to you. If you have 4
top level parents, then you might want to use "Zoom" a lot, and you'd
never know yuo were in a file that other other files merged in with it.
You could use Tags to tag items, and use Filters to hide away the other
virtual lists, and save yourself a few custom filters so you coudl swap
between the visible subsets at your leisure.

	But keeping everythign in one file doesn't eliminate the parent
child thing at all.. since you can go as deep as you like, its purely
whethor or not you want to cram it all together or not :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple filter question

>> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show
>> all parents at all times.
>
>	Doesn't make much sense.. ie: How many levels of parents? To make
>it useful it would have to be paramaterizable, and thats too much work for
>soemthing very few would ever use.
>
>		jeff

I did something like this.  I had some stuff I always wanted to show no matter what view/filter I use.  I created a tag (I just called it 'Link")  Then I adjusted all of my custom filters that I use on this list to include items tagged with 'Link'.  You could do this for any parent you always want to display.  I used it so that my rows with filelinks on the top are always showing so I can easily jump to a different Shadow file.

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From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 10:55pm
Subject: RE: Managing lists

Just thought I'd stick my two pennies in...

Don't forget that if you do put all your categories as the top level items, you could always use the zoom function on a particular function to temporarily show only that category.

Also, the ability in a tasklist view to break a task into subtasks, and have the progress of each contribute to the overall progress of it's parent makes shadowplan an exceptionally powerful tool for tracking complex tasks. My major to-do's always get put off, but when there are a series of bite size chunks they become manageable.

Finally, don't forget that you can link important items to palm to-do's, making them more intrusive where necessary.


Anthony


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 8:46
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Managing lists
> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
> 
> > I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
> > all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a 
> number of
> > projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
> > related to any one project.  I also have personal things 
> that need to
> > be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
> > lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
> > how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each 
> list to see
> > what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single 
> view of all
> > my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
> > Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
> > but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
> > insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
> > appreciated.
> 
> 	Depends on how you wish to implement your own system; Shadow is
> pretty flexible, so you can do ti any way you like. Of course, "best
> practices" are different for everyone :/
> 
> 	A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
> top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files 
> ("a", "b", "c",
> "d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", 
> "d"). Whats
> the difference? Its potentially a performance issue to have 
> giant lists
> (really giant), but for the most part is purely up to you. If 
> you have 4
> top level parents, then you might want to use "Zoom" a lot, and you'd
> never know yuo were in a file that other other files merged 
> in with it.
> You could use Tags to tag items, and use Filters to hide away 
> the other
> virtual lists, and save yourself a few custom filters so you 
> coudl swap
> between the visible subsets at your leisure.
> 
> 	But keeping everythign in one file doesn't eliminate the parent
> child thing at all.. since you can go as deep as you like, its purely
> whethor or not you want to cram it all together or not :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> 
>

From: jledesma28 jledesma28@y...  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 0:14am
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

Thanks, it would be a nice addition to the desktop
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, jledesma28 <jledesma28@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the 
the
> > Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or 
Agendus
> > desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks
> 
> 	I'll look into it. No promises when :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > best regards,
> > 
> > jl
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jkrzyszt jkrzysztow@k...  <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:41am
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
> 
> > One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
> > notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
> > to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
> 
> 	4k is in pace for both the older units and performance. Allowing
> larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
> we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions,
once
> a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
> demand but traditionally its nottoo high on peoples lists. Instead I've
> thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
> attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
> such). We'll see.
> 
> 		jeff
> 

How do you handle the linking on the Desktop side to all of this? How
do you handle the current linking for the Palm Desktop applications
(Datebook, To Do, Memo) from the Desktop? I have not noticed (though I
am just learning the package) any way to deal with links on the
Desktop. If you link to the PalmDoc, how would that be handled on the
Desktop side? Or any other application?

Jeffrey

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt <jkrzysztow@k...> wrote:

> How do you handle the linking on the Desktop side to all of this? How
> do you handle the current linking for the Palm Desktop applications
> (Datebook, To Do, Memo) from the Desktop? I have not noticed (though I
> am just learning the package) any way to deal with links on the
> Desktop. If you link to the PalmDoc, how would that be handled on the
> Desktop side? Or any other application?

	Linking is in the Shadow XML files, but is not yet used by the
desktop. The problem is that people use a variety of desktop
applications.. Palm Desktop, Outlook, Agendus desktop, Act, etc etc. So if
we were to do linking on the desktop, we'd have to support all of those
applications.. which is tonnes of work, and they may not even post their
formats (like Agendus desktop I think). So linking isn't really possible
well on the desktop side :/ It depend son lots of things and we need to
meditate on it more :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:17pm
Subject: Is this a problem with colour themes?

I have a colour theme set of two colours, however, after selecting a 
child, that child, once it has been unselected will be the same 
colour as the parent.  The colour theme reverts back to the odd and 
even sequence after a page down and page up, which presumably 
refreshes the screen.  Sometimes, the colour change on selection of 
an item only occurs on the first screen page of a list.  There are 
no items filtered out.  Does this make sense?

Is it supposed to be like this?  I have ver 2.6.9 on a Clie T615.

Rita

From: Curtis Clifton  <cclifton@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:52pm
Subject: Re: Managing Lists

Susan,

One addition to what Jeff and Anthony shared, is that linking to other 
ShadowPlan files is very useful.  I settled on keeping one monster 
master task list.  The basic structure is:

Project
--Project 1
--Project 2
--Project 3
Recurring Tasks
--Daily
--Weekly
--Other
Misc. Tasks

Under each of these I put individual tasks and subprojects.  If a given 
task requires many steps, then I often put these steps in a separate 
ShadowPlan list and link to that list.  For example I have a Misc. 
Tasks, "Christmas Shopping".  That task links to another list with all 
the people I want to shop for and ideas for each of them.

I also use some custom filters to show different subsets of my list for 
weekly goal setting, scheduling, and daily priorities.  I have not used 
the tag features of Shadow to good effect yet.

-- Curt

On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 03:26  AM, 
shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
>
>> I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
>> all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number of
>> projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
>> related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need to
>> be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
>> lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
>> how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each list to see
>> what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single view of all
>> my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
>> Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
>> but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
>> insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
>> appreciated.
>
> 	A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
> top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files ("a", "b", 
> "c",
> "d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", "d").

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:32pm
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, rblanzan <rblanzan@i...> wrote:

> I have a colour theme set of two colours, however, after selecting a
> child, that child, once it has been unselected will be the same colour
> as the parent.  The colour theme reverts back to the odd and even
> sequence after a page down and page up, which presumably refreshes the
> screen.  Sometimes, the colour change on selection of an item only
> occurs on the first screen page of a list.  There are no items
> filtered out.  Does this make sense?
> 
> Is it supposed to be like this?  I have ver 2.6.9 on a Clie T615.

	The theme should always alternate (aside from the selected
item). If you get the same theme twice in a row (when they're set up
differently of course :) its a bug. Any way to reproduce it?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Boudewyns  <boudewyns@b...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am done with the linked list?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Curtis Clifton 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:52 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Managing Lists


  Susan,

  One addition to what Jeff and Anthony shared, is that linking to other 
  ShadowPlan files is very useful.  I settled on keeping one monster 
  master task list.  The basic structure is:

  Project
  --Project 1
  --Project 2
  --Project 3
  Recurring Tasks
  --Daily
  --Weekly
  --Other
  Misc. Tasks

  Under each of these I put individual tasks and subprojects.  If a given 
  task requires many steps, then I often put these steps in a separate 
  ShadowPlan list and link to that list.  For example I have a Misc. 
  Tasks, "Christmas Shopping".  That task links to another list with all 
  the people I want to shop for and ideas for each of them.

  I also use some custom filters to show different subsets of my list for 
  weekly goal setting, scheduling, and daily priorities.  I have not used 
  the tag features of Shadow to good effect yet.

  -- Curt

  On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 03:26  AM, 
  shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, mladensk <susan@a...> wrote:
  >
  >> I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage
  >> all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number of
  >> projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not
  >> related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need to
  >> be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4
  >> lists (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't understand
  >> how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each list to see
  >> what needs to be done but what I want is to have a single view of all
  >> my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain ones to link up to
  >> Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this is to do 1 big list
  >> but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the parent child thing?  Any
  >> insight from someone further along this path than I is greatly
  >> appreciated.
  >
  >       A lot of people chose to think about list files as just another
  > top level parent; ie: In theory, you could have four files ("a", "b", 
  > "c",
  > "d") or just one file with 4 top level parents "a", "B", "c", "d").


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From: gf_gollum graham_foster@m...  <graham_foster@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Managing lists

> 	But keeping everythign in one file doesn't eliminate the 
parent
> child thing at all.. since you can go as deep as you like, its 
purely
> whethor or not you want to cram it all together or not :)

I disagree.. Because filtering / viewing does NOT work across lists, 
then you are forced to keep everything in a single giant list.
i.e. if I want to know "What do I need to do today?", then I must 
have 1 list with ALL my to-do's in.

The only other approach is to link every entry in every Shadow list 
to the ToDo view, and effectively flatten your views that way. 
Porblem is then, you need to edit it in 1 application, and view it in 
another :-(

Graham

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bob Boudewyns wrote:

> I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is
> there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that
> file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am
> done with the linked list?

	There is the Recent Files popup. I considered adding a Back button
like in a browser, but I figured Recent Files was more useful.. letting
you jump to any list you've been to halfway recently. If Shadow is bound
to a hardkey, you can push that hardkey to pop up the recent files list,
or you can bring it up from the pulldown menus or the top-right popmenus.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

I posted a Shadow Tip on how to do this on August 12, if you want to head into the archives. It's a snap.

Jacob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jledesma28 <jledesma28@y...> 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:22 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop


  Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the the 
  Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or 
  Agendus desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks

  best regards,

  jl


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From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

Jeff
This reminds me that I asked recently whether it would be possible to 
provide a pref that would allow the "top-right popmenus" to default to 
showing the list of recent files. Any thoughts?

On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:39 , Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
>
>> I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is
>> there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that
>> file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am
>> done with the linked list?
>
> 	There is the Recent Files popup. I considered adding a Back button
> like in a browser, but I figured Recent Files was more useful.. letting
> you jump to any list you've been to halfway recently. If Shadow is bound
> to a hardkey, you can push that hardkey to pop up the recent files list,
> or you can bring it up from the pulldown menus or the top-right 
> popmenus.
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:09pm
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

> 	The theme should always alternate (aside from the selected
> item). If you get the same theme twice in a row (when they're set 
up
> differently of course :) its a bug. Any way to reproduce it?

It happens every time on all the lists.  However, I have found the 
effect to be random at times.  eg if I tap to highlight all the even 
colours, some will change and others won't but I will get, say 3 
items in one colour and then a couple in another.  It doesn't even  
appear to be parent related anymore as I've tried it with a flat 
list of less than one screen, but I'm getting a headache playing 
with it :)  I tried it with different feature combinations, such as 
title bar on and off, custom items and checklists etc, but I can't 
seem to put my finger on any one combination.  

Rita

From: aschell98 aschell@p...  <aschell@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:53pm
Subject: Shadow launcher

FYI:  Just posted a tip in the shadow-tips group that might be 
interesting for anyone wanting to launch shadow with specific files, 
or anyone who has tried various button launchers, but found they 
didn't quite do what you wanted.  Might also interest datebk4/5 users 
wanting to more easily launch the datebk stubs to start datebk5 in a 
specific saved view.

From: aschell98 aschell@p...  <aschell@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

Are some of the lines bolded? I've seen this happen everytime where 
an item title that uses one line in normal text, but then gets 
wrapped to two lines when bolded.  If I tap this item, then the next, 
the next item will always get the wrong color.  I think the theme 
engine still thinks the item is using one line, but now that it is 
bold (bold via the highlight function), it is taking two lines not 
one.


> It happens every time on all the lists.  However, I have found the 
> effect to be random at times.  eg if I tap to highlight all the 
even 
> colours, some will change and others won't but I will get, say 3 
> items in one colour and then a couple in another.  It doesn't even  
> appear to be parent related anymore as I've tried it with a flat 
> list of less than one screen, but I'm getting a headache playing 
> with it :)  I tried it with different feature combinations, such as 
> title bar on and off, custom items and checklists etc, but I can't 
> seem to put my finger on any one combination.  
> 
> Rita

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:35pm
Subject: List Specific tags

Jeff,

How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?

I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!

Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them unwieldy

Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of tags, but the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and still requires too many clicks!

Regards,

Anthony

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:54pm
Subject: Recent Files showing deleted files.

When I use the recent files list and click on a file that has been 
deleted I get an error message. It would be good if the list just 
simply didn't show files that had been deleted.

From: Rev Dave Crow  <bpcumc_pastor@n...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 0:07am
Subject: Franklin Planner & Shadow

BlankI'm new to the group.  I was interested in a question that I found in
the archives regarding Franklin Planner and Shadow.  If you are using
PlanPlus for Outlook from Franklin I found a work around for getting your to
do links into the Task List.  Instead of linking as a ToDo item (that will
still go to the Palm To Do database), link it to the date book.  That will
put it in the Franklin Planner.  In Outlook you can drag that "appointment"
to the task icon which will create a new task with all the content of the
"appointment" created in Shadow.  Awkward, but it does get it there as if
you had copied the item to the to do data base.

If someone knows a more user friendly method, I'm all ears.

Dave Crow, Pastor
Christ United Methodist Church
708 15th Street
PO Box 213
Belle Plaine, IA 52208-0213
(319) 444-2410
bpcumc@n...
www.gbgm-umc.org/bpcumc



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 0:54am
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> 
> I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!

	Make sure you categorize your tags :)

> Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them unwieldy

	Yeah, it can.

> Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of tags, but
> the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and still requires
> too many clicks!

	Tried the tag column? It allows very fast tagging (two tap add
tag, and very few taps to swap tags or remove tags, etc). The tag column
is very efficient, and you can put it into a custom view for "EDit" say,
and then toggle in and out of tag column quickly :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rblanzan rblanzan@i...  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:16am
Subject: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "aschell98 <aschell@p...>" 
<aschell@p...> wrote:
> Are some of the lines bolded? I've seen this happen everytime 
where 
> an item title that uses one line in normal text, but then gets 
> wrapped to two lines when bolded.  If I tap this item, then the 
next, 
> the next item will always get the wrong color.  I think the theme 
> engine still thinks the item is using one line, but now that it is 
> bold (bold via the highlight function), it is taking two lines not 
> one.

No, no bolding, I tend not to use it and whether there is just one 
line or it is wrapped, does not appear to make a difference either.

Rita

From: LayDBug  <LayDBugMom@S...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:17am
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

I'm new to Shadow.  Could someone explain the "tag" idea to me?
Dawn

 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:54:20 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] List Specific tags
 
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> 
> I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!

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From: Stuart Gibbons stuart.gibbons@p...  <stuart.gibbons@p...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 4:40pm
Subject: Create new file in LinkMgr

Jeff,

Can I add something to the dev-list:  Can you make it possible to 
create a new Shadow file from the File Link screen in the Link 
Manager?  I'd like to have a list of projects, but then for bigger 
projects link out to a new file, e.g.

ShadP-Projects
--------------
ProjA
ProjB ->file link to ShadP-ProjB
ProjC

ShadP_ProjB
-----------
Sub-ProjA
Sub-ProjB


It'd be a lot more intuitive for me to do:
Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->New [type in name] 

than:

Exit file->New->[Type Name]->[Open original file]->[Find correct item 
to link]->Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->Choose new file


Any thoughts?

Stuart

From: Doug M-C  <doug@m...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Tags, Re: Digest Number 734

Jeff, not all of us have hi-res Palm devices with the screen real
estate to be adding tag columns on all our lists and still be
able to read them. Secondly, as I and others have said before,
when we are already in the link manager adding other links when
we create a new item, it makes NO sense for us to have to leave
the link manager and use a tag column to create the tags. Why
can't we have at least the same functionality in the tag part of
the link manager as we do in the address part (which does allow
category choice).

And for both addresses and tags in the link manager: sticky tabs,
and the ability to add multiple tags and/or addresses without
leaving the address/memo/tag window would be even more helpful.

The tag column is great on some of my lists. But it would be far,
far more helpful to be able to efficiently add tags in the link
manager as I am creating my items on many (most?) of my lists.

However, I am happy to wait for this till some more desktop
development has happened (but not tooooo long <grin>).

Doug

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 12/11/2002 at 10:21 AM shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>Message: 16
>   Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:54:24 -0500 (EST)
>   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Subject: Re: List Specific tags
>
>On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
>
>> How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single
list?
>> 
>> I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
>> dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!
>
>	Make sure you categorize your tags :)
>
>> Too many tags irrelevant to the current list makes them
unwieldy
>
>	Yeah, it can.
>
>> Categories is one way of reducing the size of any list of
tags, but
>> the filtering doesn't work in the tag manager yet, and still
requires
>> too many clicks!
>
>	Tried the tag column? It allows very fast tagging (two tap add
>tag, and very few taps to swap tags or remove tags, etc). The
tag column
>is very efficient, and you can put it into a custom view for
"EDit" say,
>and then toggle in and out of tag column quickly :)
>
>		jeff
>

*************************************
   Doug Morrison-Cleary
doug@m...

From: imjb3 imjb@h...  <imjb@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:03pm
Subject: Help with Filters

I would like to build the following filter:
(Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
Target date != 0).

I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date <= 
Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome and 
I would like to combine them into one filter.

I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' condition 
with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.

I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom tags, 
but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' info 
and would seem redundant.

Any ideas?

Thank you!

From: grumpstone grumpstone@y...  <grumpstone@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 	Linking is in the Shadow XML files, but is not yet used by the
> desktop. The problem is that people use a variety of desktop
> applications.. Palm Desktop, Outlook, Agendus desktop, Act, etc 
etc. So if
> we were to do linking on the desktop, we'd have to support all of 
those
> applications.. which is tonnes of work, and they may not even post 
their
> formats (like Agendus desktop I think). So linking isn't really 
possible
> well on the desktop side :/ It depend son lots of things and we 
need to
> meditate on it more :/
> 
> 		jeff
> 


Hey Jeff, I have been wondering, why can't you link to the calendar 
or tasklist on the desktop, but create the link on the palm on a 
hotsynch?  That way you don't have to worry about the Palm Desktop, 
Outlook, Lotus Notes, or whathaveyou.  To get the link to work on the 
desktop, I guess you would have to hotsynch again.  Slightly 
confusing at first but easy to get used to, and still better than 
having no linking ability on the desktop, IMHO.

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Help with Filters

Hmm, this might work...

OR Group   Condition

A          Priority < 3
A          Target <= Next Week
B          Priority < 3
B          Target Date Present is True

-tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" <imjb@h...>
wrote:
> I would like to build the following filter:
> (Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
> Target date != 0).
> 
> I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date <= 
> Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome
and 
> I would like to combine them into one filter.
> 
> I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' condition 
> with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.
> 
> I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom tags, 
> but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' info 
> and would seem redundant.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thank you!

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:10pm
Subject: Re: Help with Filters

D'OH, forgot that priority '-' is 0...

it would have to be:

OR GROUP | Condition

A | Priority == 1
A | Priority == 2
A | Target Date <= Next Week
B | Priority == 1
B | Priority == 2
B | Target Date Present is True

-tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" <imjb@h...>
wrote:
> I would like to build the following filter:
> (Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
> Target date != 0).
> 
> I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date <= 
> Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome
and 
> I would like to combine them into one filter.
> 
> I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' condition 
> with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.
> 
> I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom tags, 
> but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' info 
> and would seem redundant.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thank you!

From: mdkaac mdkp@c...  <mdkp@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: Another filtering question

I have a list of all my information related to the sales activity 
that I do. The list is structured like this:

Customer
   General Info
       Phone 999 888 7777
       Address  1 Road, NY, NY
   Notes
       Individual notes on each call or sales contact

I use tages such as Follow-up Due on the Notes to identify customers 
where I have to take some action.

I setup a filter called  Activity Due Today
The filter looks like:
    - Target Date less/equal Today
    - Target Date greater/equal to Last Week
    - Tag Association to "Follow-up"

This filter correctly grabs all cusomer notes with follow-up due 
today or in the last week.

My problem, is when that filter is applied, I cannot get to the data 
in the General Info branch, for eample to get their phone # to call.
The General Info branch has  a tag  "Cust-Info", but I do not see a 
wayto use it in my filter to get both the general info and notes for 
those customers matching the filter crtieria.

Any suggestions are welcome.
Thx.

From: imjb3 imjb@h...  <imjb@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: Help with Filters

That works!
Thank you!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>" 
<tsuchy@y...> wrote:
> D'OH, forgot that priority '-' is 0...
> 
> it would have to be:
> 
> OR GROUP | Condition
> 
> A | Priority == 1
> A | Priority == 2
> A | Target Date <= Next Week
> B | Priority == 1
> B | Priority == 2
> B | Target Date Present is True
> 
> -tom
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "imjb3 <imjb@h...>" 
<imjb@h...>
> wrote:
> > I would like to build the following filter:
> > (Priority = 1 or Priority = 2) or (Target date <= Next week and 
> > Target date != 0).
> > 
> > I currently use two filters ("Priority 1 or 2" and "Target date 
<= 
> > Next Week") to display the information I need but it's cumbersome
> and 
> > I would like to combine them into one filter.
> > 
> > I haven't been able to find a way to associate the 'and' 
condition 
> > with only the 'Target date <= Next week' condition.
> > 
> > I realize that I could accomplish what I need by using custom 
tags, 
> > but the tags would be duplicating 'Priority' and 'Target date' 
info 
> > and would seem redundant.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Thank you!

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Another filtering question

Depending on whether or not you tag each individual entry, couldn't
you just OR the tags together?

- ... rest of filter
A Tag Association to "Follow-Up"
A Tag Association to "Cust-Info"

I have a feeling it's not that simple...

-tom

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "mdkaac <mdkp@c...>"
<mdkp@c...> wrote:
> I have a list of all my information related to the sales activity 
> that I do. The list is structured like this:
> 
> Customer
>    General Info
>        Phone 999 888 7777
>        Address  1 Road, NY, NY
>    Notes
>        Individual notes on each call or sales contact
> 
> I use tages such as Follow-up Due on the Notes to identify customers 
> where I have to take some action.
> 
> I setup a filter called  Activity Due Today
> The filter looks like:
>     - Target Date less/equal Today
>     - Target Date greater/equal to Last Week
>     - Tag Association to "Follow-up"
> 
> This filter correctly grabs all cusomer notes with follow-up due 
> today or in the last week.
> 
> My problem, is when that filter is applied, I cannot get to the data 
> in the General Info branch, for eample to get their phone # to call.
> The General Info branch has  a tag  "Cust-Info", but I do not see a 
> wayto use it in my filter to get both the general info and notes for 
> those customers matching the filter crtieria.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.
> Thx.

From: mdkaac mdkp@c...  <mdkp@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:12am
Subject: Re: Another filtering question

Good suggestion, but its not that simple. An OR would give me all of 
the customers (just their general info), and the notes for those 
with the follow-up tag. So I end with a list of all customers not 
just those I need to follow-up with.

Thanks though.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>" 
<tsuchy@y...> wrote:
> Depending on whether or not you tag each individual entry, couldn't
> you just OR the tags together?
> 
> - ... rest of filter
> A Tag Association to "Follow-Up"
> A Tag Association to "Cust-Info"
> 
> I have a feeling it's not that simple...
> 
> -tom
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "mdkaac <mdkp@c...>"
> <mdkp@c...> wrote:
> > I have a list of all my information related to the sales 
activity 
> > that I do. The list is structured like this:
> > 
> > Customer
> >    General Info
> >        Phone 999 888 7777
> >        Address  1 Road, NY, NY
> >    Notes
> >        Individual notes on each call or sales contact
> > 
> > I use tages such as Follow-up Due on the Notes to identify 
customers 
> > where I have to take some action.
> > 
> > I setup a filter called  Activity Due Today
> > The filter looks like:
> >     - Target Date less/equal Today
> >     - Target Date greater/equal to Last Week
> >     - Tag Association to "Follow-up"
> > 
> > This filter correctly grabs all cusomer notes with follow-up due 
> > today or in the last week.
> > 
> > My problem, is when that filter is applied, I cannot get to the 
data 
> > in the General Info branch, for eample to get their phone # to 
call.
> > The General Info branch has  a tag  "Cust-Info", but I do not 
see a 
> > wayto use it in my filter to get both the general info and notes 
for 
> > those customers matching the filter crtieria.
> > 
> > Any suggestions are welcome.
> > Thx.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:37am
Subject: Re: Recent Files showing deleted files.

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, grant_robertson_66046 <grantr@s...> wrote:

> When I use the recent files list and click on a file that has been 
> deleted I get an error message. It would be good if the list just 
> simply didn't show files that had been deleted.

	Yeah; I need to add into the deletion system to remove the file
from the Recent Files list. Right now they stay on there until you visit
enough files to bump them off. You can do a "Clear list" or whatever to
wipe it out and then it'll rebuild itself with file visits pretty quickly.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:38am
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Ken Gordon wrote:

> Jeff
> This reminds me that I asked recently whether it would be possible to 
> provide a pref that would allow the "top-right popmenus" to default to 
> showing the list of recent files. Any thoughts?

	Being one-button-press away isn't good enough? :)

		jeff

> 
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:39 , Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bob Boudewyns wrote:
> >
> >> I can see that linking to other Shadow Files can be useful, but is
> >> there an easy way back? If I link a file to an item and I go to that
> >> file how do I quickly find my way back to the first item when I am
> >> done with the linked list?
> >
> > 	There is the Recent Files popup. I considered adding a Back button
> > like in a browser, but I figured Recent Files was more useful.. letting
> > you jump to any list you've been to halfway recently. If Shadow is bound
> > to a hardkey, you can push that hardkey to pop up the recent files list,
> > or you can bring it up from the pulldown menus or the top-right 
> > popmenus.
> >
> > 		jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> Ken Gordon
> 
> 
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> 
>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 0:36am
Subject: Re: Re: Is this a problem with colour themes?

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, rblanzan <rblanzan@i...> wrote:

> > 	The theme should always alternate (aside from the selected
> > item). If you get the same theme twice in a row (when they're set 
> up
> > differently of course :) its a bug. Any way to reproduce it?
> 
> It happens every time on all the lists.  However, I have found the
> effect to be random at times.  eg if I tap to highlight all the even
> colours, some will change and others won't but I will get, say 3 items
> in one colour and then a couple in another.  It doesn't even appear to
> be parent related anymore as I've tried it with a flat list of less
> than one screen, but I'm getting a headache playing with it :)  I
> tried it with different feature combinations, such as title bar on and
> off, custom items and checklists etc, but I can't seem to put my
> finger on any one combination.

	I've now seen it on my unit; seems to relate to having a few
multi-line items and some series of conditions. Theres a number of
oddities in the theme version, so I'm goign to be putting another alpha
out (in shadow-test mailing list only) with some fixes to see if I can
catch them all. 

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:00am
Subject: Re: Re: Managing Lists

You're right. I had forgotten about this.

On 02/12/11 17:38, "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...> wrote:

> Being one-button-press away isn't good enough? :)

--

From: backbencher backbencher@y...  <backbencher@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:14am
Subject: A Small Request

Hi Jeff,

This is just cosmetic, but I found that when I switched to smaller 
font (8pt.), the note icon only showed up in half size. Is this 
fixable? No hurry at all; thanks and have yourself a happy holiday!

Ben - Shadow Plan enthusiast :)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:35pm
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, LayDBug wrote:

> I'm new to Shadow.  Could someone explain the "tag" idea to me?

	At their most basic, you can think of traditional Palm categories
in other applciations like "tags". Except with Shadow Tags you can have
more than one per item, and yuo can have mroe than 15 tags (you can only
have 15 Palm categories). Furthermore, you can in fact categorize tags
since you can have so many of them :)

	So, for instance.. I have tags for locations (Home, Work, Enroute,
etc), and importance (High, Low, Medium) and other such things, as well as
peoples names, and equipment dependancies, etc.

	So I acn tag an item with a location, a person, and importance,
and dependnaices..

	Then produce custom filters to select items based on one or more
tags.

	Much mroe powerful than categories :)

		jeff

> Dawn
> 
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:54:20 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] List Specific tags
>  
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> 
> > How about letting us have tags that are specific to a single list?
> > 
> > I'd like to make better use of tags, but it doesn't take many
> > dissimilar lists before they are a confusing mess!
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Re: Create new file in LinkMgr

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Stuart Gibbons <stuart.gibbons@p...> wrote:

> Can I add something to the dev-list:  Can you make it possible to 
> create a new Shadow file from the File Link screen in the Link 
> Manager?  I'd like to have a list of projects, but then for bigger 
> projects link out to a new file, e.g.

	Hmm. You can do a quick file creation from the recent files
popup. You'd still have to go back and add the link to it, mind you..

	Neat idea though :)

		jeff

> 
> ShadP-Projects
> --------------
> ProjA
> ProjB ->file link to ShadP-ProjB
> ProjC
> 
> ShadP_ProjB
> -----------
> Sub-ProjA
> Sub-ProjB
> 
> 
> It'd be a lot more intuitive for me to do:
> Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->New [type in name] 
> 
> than:
> 
> Exit file->New->[Type Name]->[Open original file]->[Find correct item 
> to link]->Link Arrow->Link Manager->File Link->Choose new file
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, grumpstone <grumpstone@y...> wrote:

> Hey Jeff, I have been wondering, why can't you link to the calendar or
> tasklist on the desktop, but create the link on the palm on a
> hotsynch?  That way you don't have to worry about the Palm Desktop,
> Outlook, Lotus Notes, or whathaveyou.  To get the link to work on the
> desktop, I guess you would have to hotsynch again.  Slightly confusing
> at first but easy to get used to, and still better than having no
> linking ability on the desktop, IMHO.

	Yes, thats exactly my plan. I'll likely add checkboxes to the item
details on the desktop... "create todo link" and "create datebook
link". Then when you sync, it all goes ove to Shadow. When you *open*( the
Shadow file, it would then create the necessary links. I'm thinking thats
the way to go.. ie: Creating the linekd objects during sync might be
uncool, since who knows what all else is going on during the sync :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Tags, Re: Digest Number 734

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Doug M-C wrote:

> Jeff, not all of us have hi-res Palm devices with the screen real
> estate to be adding tag columns on all our lists and still be
> able to read them. Secondly, as I and others have said before,

	You can create an "edit" view that has a tag column; I've got a
view with all sorts of gadgets in it.. and since I read moer than I edit,
I only occasionally flip to Edit View, and then flip back to my Read View
when done. *shrug* :)

> when we are already in the link manager adding other links when
> we create a new item, it makes NO sense for us to have to leave
> the link manager and use a tag column to create the tags. Why
> can't we have at least the same functionality in the tag part of
> the link manager as we do in the address part (which does allow
> category choice).

	You will. I've just not had time to add it in, sorry :( I will try
and get that in.

> And for both addresses and tags in the link manager: sticky tabs,
> and the ability to add multiple tags and/or addresses without
> leaving the address/memo/tag window would be even more helpful.

	You hit a lot of peoples suggestions right on the head :)

> The tag column is great on some of my lists. But it would be far, far
> more helpful to be able to efficiently add tags in the link manager as
> I am creating my items on many (most?) of my lists.
> 
> However, I am happy to wait for this till some more desktop
> development has happened (but not tooooo long <grin>).

	*g* Soon :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: Re: A Small Request

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, backbencher <backbencher@y...> wrote:

> This is just cosmetic, but I found that when I switched to smaller 
> font (8pt.), the note icon only showed up in half size. Is this 
> fixable? No hurry at all; thanks and have yourself a happy holiday!

	Since we cannot scale images well in Palm OS, and me including a
dozen sets of icons (small and large) would be both painful and bloaty, I
make it a rule.. if you choose too small a font, its your own problem :)
In general, Shadow won't let things get too small as to be insane (it'll
pad the height), but a few things get clipped when you get too small.

	Still.. 8 point should be okay. Its when you get to 7 or 5 it gets
really squishy.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:00pm
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

Hey Jeff, could you give us your methodology for handling projects and
such, with perhaps a more detailed view of how you tend to outline
things, a more complete listing of your tags, and maybe a peek at how
you tend to filter and such? I mean, I have a pretty good idea of how
to do the things i'd like to do, but it would be a great help to just
see how you do things...

I remember from the screenshots of the desktops you posted, that you
keep music listings of some sort in your Shadow, but that doesn't give
me an idea of how you use it for projects and other things...

Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)

My apologies if you've posted this info before, or if you don't want
to post it for fear of biasing people in their usage of the app.

Thanks,

!tom!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> At their most basic, you can think of traditional Palm categories
> in other applciations like "tags". Except with Shadow Tags you can have
> more than one per item, and yuo can have mroe than 15 tags (you can only
> have 15 Palm categories). Furthermore, you can in fact categorize tags
> since you can have so many of them :)
> So, for instance.. I have tags for locations (Home, Work, Enroute,
> etc), and importance (High, Low, Medium) and other such things, as
well as
> peoples names, and equipment dependancies, etc.
> So I acn tag an item with a location, a person, and importance,
> and dependnaices..
> Then produce custom filters to select items based on one or more
> tags.
> Much mroe powerful than categories :)
> 		jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: List Specific tags

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> Hey Jeff, could you give us your methodology for handling projects and
> such, with perhaps a more detailed view of how you tend to outline
> things, a more complete listing of your tags, and maybe a peek at how
> you tend to filter and such? I mean, I have a pretty good idea of how
> to do the things i'd like to do, but it would be a great help to just
> see how you do things...

	Theres an old developers rule that applies here; the developer of
a product is usually not its most sophisticated user :)  Most of the
really juicy stuff is used by everyone *but* me, since my life is spent
doing development for people who are unlike me (non-develoeprs) ;)  ie: I
don't run a department of 200 salesmen, or take air rides state to state
taking notes, or take Shadow to school to make notes in. My uses are much
simpler :) I don't (yet) have kids to make chores for. I do keep my
Christmas gift list in there, but as you knkow thats very elementary. I do
ahve a team of developers, but with very specific goals and short spans of
time due to tight budgets (the IT crash...).

	I do make some examples in the Ref Guide in the tag section, mind
you, and if you scan the archives you can get a peek.

	I'm a big fan of the Edit menu.. "copy and uncheck all checked",
for making lists of things. I'm big on a very limited number of tags. But
msotly I just keep a hundred or more lists of everything.. but they're
usually just checklists.

	I use Views with attached Custom Filters to restrict what I need
to look at, based on tags.

	Talk amongst yourselves.. but your humble Shadow creator pales in
comparison to most of you guys :)

> I remember from the screenshots of the desktops you posted, that you
> keep music listings of some sort in your Shadow, but that doesn't give
> me an idea of how you use it for projects and other things...

	I keep lists of everything. I collect arcade equipment, which
means I've got ltysts of hundreds of components. I keep inventories of
software and licenses and devkits (expirees, etc). I keep my CD listings,
m ywants-to-buy, things of interest, places to go, notes on everything.

	I'm one of those packrats who writes down *everything*.

	But all simply. I'm very very busy, so keep my data fast to access
and fairly carefully filed by filename so I can jump around quick.

	I do keep a table of contents file with fiel links to various
places, so I have my own file listing..

	I guess my uses are sophisticated in dumb ways :)

> Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
> had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)

	You might be thinking of Pete Townsend? (Pink Floyd fame?)

> My apologies if you've posted this info before, or if you don't want
> to post it for fear of biasing people in their usage of the app.

	You're very right; I try to avoid posting my ideas abotu usage or
my political thoughts about other apps, etc, since I do not influence. I'm
an observer.. Shadow must be developed in the needs of its users and not
my needs (and hopefully they overlap with mine).. so if I go leading
discussions about usage, then its nto sueful to me or you :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:11pm
Subject: Re: List Specific tags

Thanks for posting this; I understand your reasons for not wanting to
go too public with your practices.

And totally off-topic, but I did my research, and:

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
> > had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)
> 
> 	You might be thinking of Pete Townsend? (Pink Floyd fame?)


he WAS in the Steve Vai band, and sang on the album "Sex and Religion";
Pete Townshend was in the Who.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 0:02am
Subject: Re: Re: List Specific tags

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> Thanks for posting this; I understand your reasons for not wanting to
> go too public with your practices.
> 
> And totally off-topic, but I did my research, and:
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > Wasn't Devin Townsend the guy who sang on that Steve Vai album? You
> > > had that entry highlighted in those screenshots :)
> > 
> > 	You might be thinking of Pete Townsend? (Pink Floyd fame?)
> 
> he WAS in the Steve Vai band, and sang on the album "Sex and Religion";
> Pete Townshend was in the Who.

	Woops. Well, there you go. I'll have to check now.. Devin is a
young lad, but Steve Vai does get around. Small world :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 0:07am
Subject: OFF-TOPIC

Heh, I can't resist, and this is the last I'll say about it:

I used to think the biggest All-Star band would be:
Geddy Lee: Bass
Neal Peart: Drums
Steve Vai: Guitar
John Denver: Vocals

But my tastes have changed considerably; now I'd put Tori Amos on the
vocals. :D

!tom!

From: amelchi2001 alessandromelchiorre@i...  <alessandromelchiorre@i...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:05am
Subject: shadow and outlook gtd add-in

Hello jeff,

I think Shadow will be the best Palm apllication to match the 
GTD outook add-in; its capabilities of grouping to-dos is the 
lacking feature of the too simple To-do default application.

I quote a post that I sent to the GTD forum hoping to be clear 
enough...

"...the problem is that the Project list is a sort of collecting task of 
many different tasks (send an email, phone to somebody, write 
down an article, etc...) that after becomes actions... in GTDOA 
they are related and grouped adding a field to the records (the 
field Project) but in Palm todo? they are only a collection of 
individual tasks with no grouping (under the project name) and 
no relationships with actions..."

please think of it, many many users of Outlook will be grateful!


thanks
alessandro

From: vjornes vjornes@y...  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Managing lists - (filtering across lists)

I think Graham surmised the 'problem' perfectly.  I too would like to
have different lists for projects 1..n, personal stuff, etc.
I know from posts here and in GtD that many others have this same dilema.


Jeff - could you consider in future allowing filtering to work across
a group of lists.  I'm thinking of something that would let you
specify a few lists and have the filter show all matching items from
all of the selected lists.

TIA
Victor

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gf_gollum
<graham_foster@m...>" <graham_foster@m...> wrote:
...Because filtering / viewing does NOT work across lists, 
> then you are forced to keep everything in a single giant list.
> i.e. if I want to know "What do I need to do today?", then I must 
> have 1 list with ALL my to-do's in.
> 
> The only other approach is to link every entry in every Shadow list 
> to the ToDo view, and effectively flatten your views that way. 
> Porblem is then, you need to edit it in 1 application, and view it in 
> another :-(
> 
> Graham

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Managing lists - (filtering across lists)

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, vjornes <vjornes@y...> wrote:

> I think Graham surmised the 'problem' perfectly.  I too would like to
> have different lists for projects 1..n, personal stuff, etc.
> I know from posts here and in GtD that many others have this same dilema.
> 
> Jeff - could you consider in future allowing filtering to work across
> a group of lists.  I'm thinking of something that would let you
> specify a few lists and have the filter show all matching items from
> all of the selected lists.

	I'm thinking of a "report find" type operation.. you specify a
filter, and then Shadow creates a new list of all matching items
(duplicates of them), temporarily. Sort of like "find", but using a Shadow
filter. Or once I allow item to item linking, it woudl create a new list,
with links to the originals. 

	But "filtering" per se can't work across lists.. Shadow is only
able to open one list at a time, andf filters are on the current list. I
may sometime make it so Shadow can open multiple lists, but its lots of
work.

		jeff

> 
> TIA
> Victor
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gf_gollum
> <graham_foster@m...>" <graham_foster@m...> wrote:
> ...Because filtering / viewing does NOT work across lists, 
> > then you are forced to keep everything in a single giant list.
> > i.e. if I want to know "What do I need to do today?", then I must 
> > have 1 list with ALL my to-do's in.
> > 
> > The only other approach is to link every entry in every Shadow list 
> > to the ToDo view, and effectively flatten your views that way. 
> > Porblem is then, you need to edit it in 1 application, and view it in 
> > another :-(
> > 
> > Graham
> 
> 
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> 

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: drlewillis drewillis@p...  <drewillis@p...>
Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:47pm
Subject: Linking files not items

I am evaluating ShadowPlan for use with DateBk 5.  I want to create a 
file to link to my to do list.  I know how to link the individual 
tasks in the file, but I can't seem to link the file itself.

For example, I want to create a file named Morning Routine.  The 
items in that file will contain breakfast, clean kitchen, feed cats, 
etc.

I want to link Morning Routine to DateBk 5.  I do not want the items 
in that file to show up in the to do list.  I only want to see 
Morning Routine.

Help??

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 0:50am
Subject: Re: Linking files not items

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, drlewillis <drewillis@p...> wrote:

> I am evaluating ShadowPlan for use with DateBk 5.  I want to create a 
> file to link to my to do list.  I know how to link the individual 
> tasks in the file, but I can't seem to link the file itself.
> 
> For example, I want to create a file named Morning Routine.  The 
> items in that file will contain breakfast, clean kitchen, feed cats, 
> etc.
> 
> I want to link Morning Routine to DateBk 5.  I do not want the items 
> in that file to show up in the to do list.  I only want to see 
> Morning Routine.

	Make an item called "Morning Routine" and link it to DB5?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Peter Bulthuis  <peter.bulthuis@w...>
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: Problem with filtering and jogdial

Hello,

With my Sony NR70V I have problem with filtered Shadowfiles. The
selectionbar disappears and a little later (when I turn the jogdial) it
appears again. Is this a bug?

Greetz,

Peter

From: Marc Vanstraelen vanstraelen.marc@s...  <vanstraelen.marc@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: How to remove Shadow desktop & conduit

I've installed the Shadow Desktop & conduit for evaluation, but I've 
come to the conclusion that it has not much added value for me (I 
hardly use the desktop for the things I use my Palm for, just backing 
up my files in a daily hotsync).

So my question is: how do I uninstall/remove the desktop, so that I 
don't keep any "orphans", traces on both my Palm, in the Hotsync 
manager etc.?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 0:16am
Subject: faster dismiss of mini editor

I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
editor.. thoughts?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 3:19am
Subject: Re: faster dismiss of mini editor

Cool.  I'm for that.

--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
>	I'm tempted to add a handler for "next field" (straight
>down/up) to implicitly hit the checkmark (OK) in the mini
>editor.. thoughts?
>
>		jeff
>



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From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:00am
Subject: RE: faster dismiss of mini editor

How about the carriage return keystroke committing the current text, then re-displaying the mini editor to accept text for the next sibling?

It'd make it easier to enter lists...

Especially with the current action where adding a child or sibling to the item at the bottom of the display using the mini editor leaves the new item off the bottom of the display.

Anthony

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