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| 8201 |
From: T_D <T_D@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 2:47pm
Subject: Re: New to Shadow.
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Ok, I'll check that out some, Still is a bit confusing to work within shadow. Very complext program.
-T_D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] New to Shadow.
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, t_d_s2k wrote:
> Hi, I'm looking for some help on using shadow. Here's the bottom
> line, I'm forgetfull and need a checklist of things I have to do
> before leaving work. Is there a way to make a checklist of things,
> and not have to go into details of each one to mark it done, and them
> reset the list with one button? Thanks.
If the list is a "Checklist" view you will have checkboxes down
the left side, one per item. You can just tap once to check the item, and
theres a menu item to "uncheck all" to reset it. If the list is not a
checklist, you can (Advanced topic) add a checkbox to it, or change it to
a Checklist (see the [V] popmenu in the top right of the open list)
jeff
--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8202 |
From: tarasofsky <Tarasofsky@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: Linking to datebook
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Hi,
I have a small (I think) feature request.
Any possibility to put in a time screen in when linking to datebook,
so that one can set a precise appointment? Right now, one has to set
the link, and then go into datebook and then set the time. Would be
great if it could be a bit more straightforward.
Thanks,
Richard
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| 8203 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 4:43pm
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, tarasofsky wrote:
> I have a small (I think) feature request.
>
> Any possibility to put in a time screen in when linking to datebook,
> so that one can set a precise appointment? Right now, one has to set
> the link, and then go into datebook and then set the time. Would be
> great if it could be a bit more straightforward.
I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe just a
popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
jeff
>
> Thanks,
>
> Richard
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8204 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:14pm
Subject: Other codejedi products?
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Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
flamewar, though :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8205 |
From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?
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Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
>question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
>new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
>exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
>
> If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
>underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
>shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
>
> A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
>flamewar, though :)
>
> jeff
>
>
Good lord Jeff, send the message! A one time announcement of a product
is NOT spam. A short, simple message with the relevant link is great,
and even info about how to sign up for that product's list, if they're
interested. I don't know about other folks, but when I find a good
product I always want to know what else the developer has done because
I'll probably like it too. If people don't like it, the delete key is
easy to find on the keyboard.
--
Jen
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
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| 8206 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
> new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people
> know it exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
I don't see this as a problem; it would be a problem if you sold the
list, but since this is from you, about something you did, then send it.
Actually, maybe you should send this out when there's a major revision
or upgrade in the works, as a "By the way..." kinda thing... You know,
like when the UNIX desktop comes out, hint hint!
!tom!
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| 8207 |
From: C. Ward Yelverton <ward@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: RE: Other codejedi products?
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I'm with Jen. I joined this list for Codejedi and your programming and
attitude. Shadow's siblings and cousins are still members of the family.
Now if you start mentioning member enlargers ... that's stretching it a
bit.
Ward
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:14 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Other codejedi products?
Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of
the
new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know
it
exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
flamewar, though :)
jeff
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| 8208 |
From: bstryd610 <bstryd@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook
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There are times when I have wanted just this feature. It would be a
help -- and then I could double schedule myself from several
programs :-)
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, tarasofsky wrote:
>
> > I have a small (I think) feature request.
> >
> > Any possibility to put in a time screen in when linking to
datebook,
> > so that one can set a precise appointment? Right now, one has to
set
> > the link, and then go into datebook and then set the time. Would
be
> > great if it could be a bit more straightforward.
>
> I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake.
Not
> sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
just a
> popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
>
> jeff
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8209 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:31pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?
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i think you can send it out to the entire group once, and indicate that and the fact that you are doing it since it is related to the Shadow website offerings. anyone that complains over one email they can easily delete likely would complain about anything. thanks for asking for our input on something that is clearly your sole call. keep up the great work Jeff.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Other codejedi products?
Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
flamewar, though :)
jeff
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| 8210 |
From: ROYLE Anthony <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: RE: Other codejedi products?
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Jeff,
Having seen the announcement, downloaded, installed and played, I'm certainly glad you did post it!
Excellent work... Fastest time I've ever registered a program after downloading a demo ;-)
More board emulations, please!
Anthony Royle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 6:14
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Other codejedi products?
>
>
>
> Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
> question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an
> announcement of the
> new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so
> people know it
> exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
>
> If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
> underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
> shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
>
> A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
> flamewar, though :)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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| 8211 |
From: Alys <alys_ylist_1@o...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 10:16pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?
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On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:14:26PM -0500, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
> question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
> new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
> exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
There's a shadow-announce list?? Excellent! I will subscribe
immediately, and I will look forward to reading messages on it about
other products by one of the most response Palm developers around. :)
If you're worried about some people considering it as spam (not
that I imagine anyone would), then maybe you could put "OT" in the
subject, and explain in the message that a vocal majority of the
list has requested you post messages about your other products. That
should cover it.
Alys
alys_ylist_1@o...
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| 8212 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 10:26pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Alys wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:14:26PM -0500, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
> > question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
> > new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
> > exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
>
> There's a shadow-announce list?? Excellent! I will subscribe
> immediately, and I will look forward to reading messages on it about
> other products by one of the most response Palm developers around. :)
>
> If you're worried about some people considering it as spam (not
> that I imagine anyone would), then maybe you could put "OT" in the
> subject, and explain in the message that a vocal majority of the
> list has requested you post messages about your other products. That
> should cover it.
I posted somethign after the first few all positive
replies. Figured ah hell, and added a disclaimer :)
Heres the post:
http://shadow.skeleton.org/pipermail/shadow-announce/2002-December/000038.html
Cheers!
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8213 |
From: scnunes2@a...
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC
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Can anyone ad further to my suggestion - but would suggest that the date
export using the display preference set in Palm preferences, and that it
right justify to the item it is set for, just as it appears as one set it up
on the outline.
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| 8214 |
From: scnunes2@a...
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:52pm
Subject: Re: Shadow & Ecco Pro - Ecco File format
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I'm afraid that I'm only familiar with Ecco as a past enthusiastic user - I
am not program literate enough to say what the format it uses is. If you
follow the link to the site that I posted in my first message on this
subject, I believe there is a programmer quoted on that site (Tom Hoots) who
sounds knowledgeable enough to know.
Thank you very much for your time and your response to my request!
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| 8215 |
From: charlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 0:58am
Subject: Background paint...again
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Jeff: Spent more time with 2.6.9 on my Clie NR-70 with OS 4.1...and
the coloring snafu is definitely there. Situation: with HRA engaged,
Col-bg engaged, custom coloring: if a list item has a note attached,
when you press on the note icon to see the note's contents, then the
custom color chosen for the highlighted item (light yellow in my
case)appears both on the top right, where the menu choices are, and
on the bottom right, where Shadow's "up" and "down" arrows are. The
arrows remain operational, and if fact look like the normal arrows,
with a yellow background: if you press them with the stylus, the
custom color disappears here, but not in the upper right corner; the
upper right icons are unrecognizable, but if you press in that area,
they will still activate, and when you do that, the custom coloring on
the top right disappears...but not the coloring on the bottom right!!
Closing the file and reopening it chases all the paint problems
away...until you choose another note item in the file!! This happens
with all 8 of my files....
Chris
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| 8216 |
From: Griff <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:05am
Subject: VG area for NR/NX series
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I've been gone from my usual groups, including this one for a few
months. During a scan at ClieSource today I found out that both
Thought Manager and Bonsai support the virtual grafitti area of the
Sony NR/NX series devices.
I know work is supposed to be focused on the desktop, but in the past
month of posts here I've seen discussions on the use of the Tungsten
navigator, and the release of a handheld version with themeing. I've
also seen enhanced Handera support.
So I guess the question is, any idea when the VG area will be
supported in Shadow. I have to admit that were I evaluating and
purchasing today, I'd probably give Shadow a low mark for not
supporting it, and I wonder how many new Clie users are doing the
same.
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| 8217 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:16am
Subject: Re: Background paint...again
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, charlepp wrote:
> Jeff: Spent more time with 2.6.9 on my Clie NR-70 with OS 4.1...and
> the coloring snafu is definitely there. Situation: with HRA engaged,
> Col-bg engaged, custom coloring: if a list item has a note attached,
> when you press on the note icon to see the note's contents, then the
> custom color chosen for the highlighted item (light yellow in my
> case)appears both on the top right, where the menu choices are, and on
> the bottom right, where Shadow's "up" and "down" arrows are. The
> arrows remain operational, and if fact look like the normal arrows,
> with a yellow background: if you press them with the stylus, the
> custom color disappears here, but not in the upper right corner; the
> upper right icons are unrecognizable, but if you press in that area,
> they will still activate, and when you do that, the custom coloring on
> the top right disappears...but not the coloring on the bottom right!!
> Closing the file and reopening it chases all the paint problems
> away...until you choose another note item in the file!! This happens
> with all 8 of my files.... Chris
And the note icon is what causes it? Not anything else?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8218 |
From: Alys <alys_ylist_1@o...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:19am
Subject: Re: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC
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On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 07:37:37PM -0500, scnunes2@a... wrote:
> Can anyone ad further to my suggestion - but would suggest that the date
> export using the display preference set in Palm preferences, and that it
> right justify to the item it is set for, just as it appears as one set it up
> on the outline.
Using the Palm preferences date format is a good idea. There'd
probably be interest in having a configuration option for whether the
date is before or after the item.
My main request is that if a user chooses _not_ to export the date,
then there should be no indication that there's an empty date field
in the exported text. For example, imagine that Shadow is changed
so that the date and item can be exported with brackets around the
date like this:
[4/3/03] item text here
If you then do an export with no date fields, then the exported
line would look like this:
item text here
and not like this:
[] item text here
I hope that makes sense!
My reason for asking for this is that I sometimes use Shadow for
writing programs, with the parent-child hierachy used to mimic the
indentation you'd put into the code. For example, the first line
of a subroutine would be a parent item, and each line inside that
subroutine would be a child of the parent item. I can then export the
code with tabs, paste it into a file on my PC, and it's ready to run.
Having some indication in the exported text that there's an empty
date field on every line would play havoc with this. :)
Alys
alys_ylist_1@o...
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| 8219 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:17am
Subject: Re: VG area for NR/NX series
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Griff wrote:
> I've been gone from my usual groups, including this one for a few
> months. During a scan at ClieSource today I found out that both
> Thought Manager and Bonsai support the virtual grafitti area of the
> Sony NR/NX series devices.
>
> I know work is supposed to be focused on the desktop, but in the past
> month of posts here I've seen discussions on the use of the Tungsten
> navigator, and the release of a handheld version with themeing. I've
> also seen enhanced Handera support.
>
> So I guess the question is, any idea when the VG area will be
> supported in Shadow. I have to admit that were I evaluating and
> purchasing today, I'd probably give Shadow a low mark for not
> supporting it, and I wonder how many new Clie users are doing the
> same.
Hopefully 2.7, or if not, 2.8 very soon after. ie: Inside of a
couple of weeks for sure.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8220 |
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:17am
Subject: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial
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Sony Clie T-665
Palm OS v4.1
Shadow 2.6.9a
Anyone having any problems using the jog dial on their Clie in
v2.6.9a? For instance, I have a color theme set up for the "Selected
Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes set
up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well). When I select an item (and
the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the jog
dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to continue
scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the next
item on my list. I encounter this problem whether or not I
have 'children' hidden or not. I'm also seeing that the numbering of
my items changes when I tap on the item. However, I believe Jeff
mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in the
final release.
Todd
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| 8221 |
From: charlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 0:37pm
Subject: Re: Background paint...again
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, charlepp wrote:
>
> > Jeff: Spent more time with 2.6.9 on my Clie NR-70 with OS 4.1...and
> > the coloring snafu is definitely there. Situation: with HRA engaged,
> > Col-bg engaged, custom coloring: if a list item has a note attached,
> > when you press on the note icon to see the note's contents, then the
> > custom color chosen for the highlighted item (light yellow in my
> > case)appears both on the top right, where the menu choices are, and on
> > the bottom right, where Shadow's "up" and "down" arrows are. The
> > arrows remain operational, and if fact look like the normal arrows,
> > with a yellow background: if you press them with the stylus, the
> > custom color disappears here, but not in the upper right corner; the
> > upper right icons are unrecognizable, but if you press in that area,
> > they will still activate, and when you do that, the custom coloring on
> > the top right disappears...but not the coloring on the bottom right!!
> > Closing the file and reopening it chases all the paint problems
> > away...until you choose another note item in the file!! This happens
> > with all 8 of my files.... Chris
>
> And the note icon is what causes it? Not anything else?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
Yes, the only (and consistent) action that causes the background paint
is tapping on the note icon. I tried other actions but couldn't get it
to do it...but the note icon tap does it every time!!
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| 8222 |
From: purzel2503 <ulrichwerz@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 0:37pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial
|
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tljr_2000" <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> Sony Clie T-665
> Palm OS v4.1
> Shadow 2.6.9a
>
> Anyone having any problems using the jog dial on their Clie in
> v2.6.9a?
I cannot reproduce this problem on my Clié T 675C. V 2.6.9a is
working fine, as far as I´m experiencing.
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| 8223 |
From: fiatspider72 <jphillips@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 3:12pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Alys <alys_ylist_1@o...> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 07:37:37PM -0500, scnunes2@a... wrote:
> > Can anyone ad further to my suggestion - but would suggest that
the date
> > export using the display preference set in Palm preferences, and
that it
> > right justify to the item it is set for, just as it appears as one
set it up
> > on the outline.
>
> Using the Palm preferences date format is a good idea. There'd
> probably be interest in having a configuration option for whether the
> date is before or after the item.
>
> My main request is that if a user chooses _not_ to export the date,
> then there should be no indication that there's an empty date field
> in the exported text. For example, imagine that Shadow is changed
> so that the date and item can be exported with brackets around the
> date like this:
> [4/3/03] item text here
> If you then do an export with no date fields, then the exported
> line would look like this:
> item text here
> and not like this:
> [] item text here
>
> I hope that makes sense!
>
> My reason for asking for this is that I sometimes use Shadow for
> writing programs, with the parent-child hierachy used to mimic the
> indentation you'd put into the code. For example, the first line
> of a subroutine would be a parent item, and each line inside that
> subroutine would be a child of the parent item. I can then export the
> code with tabs, paste it into a file on my PC, and it's ready to run.
> Having some indication in the exported text that there's an empty
> date field on every line would play havoc with this. :)
>
> Alys
> alys_ylist_1@o...
Sounds very good to me. I often use SP to take notes in class or
meetings, then export to a DOC and pull it into Wordsmith for
spellchecking, additional formating, etc... I love working with
outlines, but they are not always to dates.
- Jeramy
PS - I also love using SP to make outlines of term papers, export and
start work in Wordsmith.
|
| 8224 |
From: charlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 3:15pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial
|
| |
Todd: can't reproduce the problem on my NR-70, with the same setup as
your T-665. My "Selected Item" color theme jumps from one item to the
next using the jog dial, with no hiccups...
Chris
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tljr_2000" <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> Sony Clie T-665
> Palm OS v4.1
> Shadow 2.6.9a
>
> Anyone having any problems using the jog dial on their Clie in
> v2.6.9a? For instance, I have a color theme set up for the "Selected
> Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes set
> up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well). When I select an item (and
> the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the jog
> dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to continue
> scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the next
> item on my list. I encounter this problem whether or not I
> have 'children' hidden or not. I'm also seeing that the numbering of
> my items changes when I tap on the item. However, I believe Jeff
> mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in the
> final release.
>
> Todd
|
| 8225 |
From: fiatspider72 <jphillips@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 3:42pm
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
> sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
just a
> popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
>
> jeff
Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
that time in the in the DB entry.
Part of the reason I suggest the built in time picker is that I use
the application SelectTime:
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41275
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2C7214A2
as a replacement time picker. Actually, if one could also select the
length of the appointment / ending time you wouldn't even really need
to go to the DB application at all (just like with ToDo's).
I would find this feature very helpful when when inputting an entire
schedule. Example - I use Shadow to enter my son's wrestling schedule
and link it to the DB, but then I have to go into each DB entry to set
the time.
While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request! I
would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos. Example - sitting in
a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be
using my calandering application to see what else is going on, select
days for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
"[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format. Jump over to Shadow when done,
import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
import and make the appropiate links. Badda-bing, badda-boom! I am
in heaven!
:-)
Jeff - thanks for all of your hard work. Shadow Plan has to be one of
the most useful applications that I use not only on my Visor Platinum,
but on my PC as well.
- Jeramy
|
| 8226 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook
|
| |
I'm not sure from the past readings exactly what will be implemented by Jeff regarding Datebook times. Sounds like we could pick times on the hour in Shadow which would presumably then show up in our Agendus (or other) appointment at the specified time and date. Is that correct Jeff? If so, that would be AWESOME! That is the only item missing from me doing almost all my planning from Shadow...a time for appointments. Thanks for any work in this area Jeff.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: fiatspider72
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:42 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Linking to datebook
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
> sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
just a
> popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
>
> jeff
Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
that time in the in the DB entry.
Part of the reason I suggest the built in time picker is that I use
the application SelectTime:
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41275
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2C7214A2
as a replacement time picker. Actually, if one could also select the
length of the appointment / ending time you wouldn't even really need
to go to the DB application at all (just like with ToDo's).
I would find this feature very helpful when when inputting an entire
schedule. Example - I use Shadow to enter my son's wrestling schedule
and link it to the DB, but then I have to go into each DB entry to set
the time.
While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request! I
would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos. Example - sitting in
a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be
using my calandering application to see what else is going on, select
days for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
"[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format. Jump over to Shadow when done,
import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
import and make the appropiate links. Badda-bing, badda-boom! I am
in heaven!
:-)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 8227 |
From: Griff <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Re: VG area for NR/NX series
|
| |
Hmmm, ok, ok, I can wait that long <LOL>.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Griff wrote:
> >
> > So I guess the question is, any idea when the VG area will be
> > supported in Shadow. I have to admit that were I evaluating and
> > purchasing today, I'd probably give Shadow a low mark for not
> > supporting it, and I wonder how many new Clie users are doing the
> > same.
>
> Hopefully 2.7, or if not, 2.8 very soon after. ie: Inside of a
> couple of weeks for sure.
>
> jeff
|
| 8228 |
From: Anthony Schellenberg <aschell@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: No bleeding in 2.6.9
|
| |
Right now it seems to be happening every time I expand a note. If the list does not fill the screen, then the empty bottom portion of the screen after the items gets painted as well.
--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
>
>> I'm still occasionally getting background painting under the dropdown
>> buttons at the top right. Still can't seem to find a pattern, though
>> I think it's less than it was with the first theming version.
>>
>> 2.6.9
>> os4.1 t615
>
> How often is it? Like very infrequently, or all-the-damned-time?
>
> jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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| 8229 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC
|
| |
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Alys wrote:
> Using the Palm preferences date format is a good idea. There'd
> probably be interest in having a configuration option for whether the
> date is before or after the item.
Ahh, always turns into real work ;)
> My reason for asking for this is that I sometimes use Shadow for
> writing programs, with the parent-child hierachy used to mimic the
> indentation you'd put into the code. For example, the first line of a
> subroutine would be a parent item, and each line inside that
> subroutine would be a child of the parent item. I can then export the
> code with tabs, paste it into a file on my PC, and it's ready to run.
> Having some indication in the exported text that there's an empty date
> field on every line would play havoc with this. :)
Thats pretty keen. A few people have done that, and it amazes me
:)
I'll see abuot a basic date export.
Jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8230 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial
|
| |
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
> v2.6.9a? For instance, I have a color theme set up for the "Selected
> Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes set
> up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well). When I select an item (and
> the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the jog
> dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to continue
> scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the next
> item on my list. I encounter this problem whether or not I have
> 'children' hidden or not. I'm also seeing that the numbering of my
> items changes when I tap on the item. However, I believe Jeff
> mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in the
> final release.
Are you using filters?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8231 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook
|
| |
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, fiatspider72 wrote:
> Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
> the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
> calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
> Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
> that time in the in the DB entry.
Yeah, sounds best. I wastoo asleep when I said otherwise (though I
was thinking of the idea of a popup for hours, so you could use jog to
quickly set it, etc.)
> While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request! I
> would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
> DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos. Example - sitting in
> a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be using
> my calandering application to see what else is going on, select days
> for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
> "[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format. Jump over to Shadow when done,
> import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
> import and make the appropiate links. Badda-bing, badda-boom! I am
> in heaven! :-)
In the works :)
> Jeff - thanks for all of your hard work. Shadow Plan has to be one of
> the most useful applications that I use not only on my Visor Platinum,
> but on my PC as well.
Your welcome.
Xmas is comign thuogh.. I may be slower for a bit. Need to buy
presents :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8232 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:49pm
Subject: Re: No bleeding in 2.6.9
|
| |
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> Right now it seems to be happening every time I expand a note. If the
> list does not fill the screen, then the empty bottom portion of the
> screen after the items gets painted as well.
Yep, you gyus got it. I can reproduce this, so I'll fix
ASAP! That'll get us very near release for 2.7, then add VG for 2.8? :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8233 |
From: Heather <heatheryou@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: fatal exception error.
|
| |
I get a fatal exception error and reset every time I click on add in
the link manager screen. I am just learning the program, so it is
possible (or maybe even probable) I am doing something wrong.
I have version 2.6.0 with the link hack installed. That is the
only hack I currently have running, and havent yet figured out how
to use it. I did install and uninstall Launcher x the other day.
Maybe that had something to do with it?
BTW I am running an m515 and use Datebk5 for my todos and calendar.
Heather
|
| 8234 |
From: webfiddler2 <webfiddler2@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Start/Finish columns?
|
| |
For those of us who live in the land of billable hours, this show-
finish-date column would be manna. The program is fantastic as is, so
I've already purchased it and the DT. But I gotta tell ya, having
looked at the responsiveness obvious in the programming cycle, I've
got my pinkies crossed that this one feature, which would allow me to
kill a few lesser programs . . . Lawdhamercy! I need kleenex to mop
up the drool!
:-)
WebFiddler
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> How high is Start and Finish optional columns (a la target
date
> column) on your lists?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8235 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:08pm
Subject: Re: fatal exception error.
|
| |
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Heather wrote:
> I get a fatal exception error and reset every time I click on add in
> the link manager screen. I am just learning the program, so it is
> possible (or maybe even probable) I am doing something wrong.
>
> I have version 2.6.0 with the link hack installed. That is the
> only hack I currently have running, and havent yet figured out how
> to use it. I did install and uninstall Launcher x the other day.
> Maybe that had something to do with it?
>
> BTW I am running an m515 and use Datebk5 for my todos and calendar.
Everything shoudl be fine; LX is okay, and LinkerHack is pertty
stable. It is possible some very rare issues are still lurking in the link
dialog.. I hear of a problem every few months, so its hard to nail since
it happens so infrequently.
At what exact time does it occur? What steps to reproduce the
problem?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8236 |
From: pfieldho_99 <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 0:02am
Subject: Shadow 2.6.9a occurences
|
| |
Jeff,
Noticed these occurences with 2.6.9a:
I have theme set for Odd: black text on yellow, Even: Red text on
dark green, Select: white on blue (no I'm not currently using this
theme for anything - I know it's wierd!)
When I select items in a list that does NOT have Col-bg checked on
when I select items and then leave them (select another item), the
Odd items' text color has turned to red). This is cleared in a number
of ways 1) exit the list and then return, enter an item's details
(all items are cleared of red text upon return), and enter the list
preferences and return.
When I go to the theme selection and choose the defaults this does
not occur.
The other thing I noticed is that when selecting items with multi-
line text, only the first line is readable against the background
(this no matter the color of the item's text).
Paul
|
| 8237 |
From: Griff <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 1:54am
Subject: Re: No bleeding in 2.6.9
|
| |
OK, but only if desktop doesn't come before 2.8 *fingers crossed*.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
>
>
> Yep, you gyus got it. I can reproduce this, so I'll fix
> ASAP! That'll get us very near release for 2.7, then add VG for
2.8? :)
>
|
| 8238 |
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:00am
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial
|
| |
Jeff,
Yes, I am using filters. And I see that if I disable the filters,
the theme "scrolls" through the list without issue. Is there any way
to be able to scroll through a filtered list and not encounter the
problem I described previously? I like to filter out my completed
items (at least for a 3-month period) before I delete them completely
from the list. Any thoughts?
Todd
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
>
> > v2.6.9a? For instance, I have a color theme set up for
the "Selected
> > Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes
set
> > up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well). When I select an item
(and
> > the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the
jog
> > dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to
continue
> > scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the
next
> > item on my list. I encounter this problem whether or not I have
> > 'children' hidden or not. I'm also seeing that the numbering of
my
> > items changes when I tap on the item. However, I believe Jeff
> > mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in
the
> > final release.
>
> Are you using filters?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8239 |
From: scarlet_vx <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 8:06am
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8 - preferences sticking
|
| |
I was a very old user on my Palm Vx but I started within the year
with a newer version on my Clie. But let's suppose something did
leak over from the Palm. How do I get rid of it/start over without
losing everything? Thanks.
My problems seem to be limited to fonts and themes.
>
> How long have you been a Shadow user? Months or years? (ie:
IF you
> started on a very very old version, perhaps there ssomething turdy
left
> over int he original prefs..)
>
> jeff
|
| 8240 |
From: chagassou <tmenguy@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:15am
Subject: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
|
| |
Hi,
I'm a long time user and fan of Bonzai from Natara, but recently I started using it in a
different way for professional use ... and I miss some feature ... I've found in the shadow
plan manual ;-).
For me it would be critical to :
-have a good desktop (and if it could work on Linux it would be perfect... )
-Import my exiting bonzai outline to shadow
For the desktop part I saw that you a re making progress, and that a Unix version may be
available some day ...
For importing, I see with pleasure that you use XML for your base format : Bonzai desktop
can export, through a great mechanismcalled template, all kind of XML, I read also that you
provide your shadow xml specification : so my question is :
Is there someone that has done a Bonzai template to export to shadow XML?
Thanks
Thomas
|
| 8241 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 1:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial
|
| |
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
> Yes, I am using filters. And I see that if I disable the filters, the
> theme "scrolls" through the list without issue. Is there any way to
> be able to scroll through a filtered list and not encounter the
> problem I described previously? I like to filter out my completed
> items (at least for a 3-month period) before I delete them completely
> from the list. Any thoughts?
The problem is that the jog dial code ignores the filters
currently. My bad. Its on my list of things to fix soon :)
jeff
>
> Todd
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
> >
> > > v2.6.9a? For instance, I have a color theme set up for
> the "Selected
> > > Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes
> set
> > > up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well). When I select an item
> (and
> > > the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the
> jog
> > > dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to
> continue
> > > scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the
> next
> > > item on my list. I encounter this problem whether or not I have
> > > 'children' hidden or not. I'm also seeing that the numbering of
> my
> > > items changes when I tap on the item. However, I believe Jeff
> > > mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in
> the
> > > final release.
> >
> > Are you using filters?
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
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>
>
>
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8242 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 1:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8 - preferences sticking
|
| |
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:
> I was a very old user on my Palm Vx but I started within the year
> with a newer version on my Clie. But let's suppose something did
> leak over from the Palm. How do I get rid of it/start over without
> losing everything? Thanks.
>
> My problems seem to be limited to fonts and themes.
See this makes nearly no sense, but we'll roll with it :)
If you have a smart launcher, it can delete prefs without deleting
the application. For instance.. Launcher X lets you drag an pp to the
trashcan and then delete any of the app,the prefs, or the
datafiles. Unchecking the data and app, it just removes the prefs. Then
Shadow will be started fresh and you'll need to set your global settings
and reg-code again.. but it shoudl take.
I know its a bit of a step. IF you do it, let me know how it goes.
jeff
> >
> > How long have you been a Shadow user? Months or years? (ie:
> IF you
> > started on a very very old version, perhaps there ssomething turdy
> left
> > over int he original prefs..)
> >
> > jeff
>
>
>
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>
>
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 8243 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook
|
| |
I also like this idea. THe other issue that keeps me using ToDoPlus is
repeating and recurring tasks. If Shadow had a good way of handling those,
I could get rid of ToDoPlus completely. Just a suggestion.
Scott
"Kevin
Giberson" To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
<kevin@g... cc:
on.net> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Linking to datebook
12/03/2002
11:22 AM
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respond to
shadow-discus
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I'm not sure from the past readings exactly what will be implemented by
Jeff regarding Datebook times. Sounds like we could pick times on the hour
in Shadow which would presumably then show up in our Agendus (or other)
appointment at the specified time and date. Is that correct Jeff? If so,
that would be AWESOME! That is the only item missing from me doing almost
all my planning from Shadow...a time for appointments. Thanks for any work
in this area Jeff.
Kevin
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From: fiatspider72
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Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:42 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Linking to datebook
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
> sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
just a
> popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
>
> jeff
Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
that time in the in the DB entry.
Part of the reason I suggest the built in time picker is that I use
the application SelectTime:
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41275
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2C7214A2
as a replacement time picker. Actually, if one could also select the
length of the appointment / ending time you wouldn't even really need
to go to the DB application at all (just like with ToDo's).
I would find this feature very helpful when when inputting an entire
schedule. Example - I use Shadow to enter my son's wrestling schedule
and link it to the DB, but then I have to go into each DB entry to set
the time.
While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request! I
would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos. Example - sitting in
a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be
using my calandering application to see what else is going on, select
days for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
"[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format. Jump over to Shadow when done,
import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
import and make the appropiate links. Badda-bing, badda-boom! I am
in heaven!
:-)
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| 8244 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
> I'm a long time user and fan of Bonzai from Natara, but recently I
> started using it in a different way for professional use ... and I
> miss some feature ... I've found in the shadow plan manual ;-).
>
> For me it would be critical to :
> -have a good desktop (and if it could work on Linux it would be perfect... )
> -Import my exiting bonzai outline to shadow
> For the desktop part I saw that you a re making progress, and that a
> Unix version may be available some day ...
Hopefully soon. I've just been distracted snd burnt out :P
The unix version is mostly held up because I need to assemble a
good build environment (half dozen versions of linux and the BSDs, all
staticly linked. Pain in the butt :)
> For importing, I see with pleasure that you use XML for your base
> format : Bonzai desktop can export, through a great mechanismcalled
> template, all kind of XML, I read also that you provide your shadow
> xml specification : so my question is :
>
> Is there someone that has done a Bonzai template to export to shadow XML?
A good question. If someone has, let me know and I'll pop it up
onto the website.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8245 |
From: chagassou <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 3:13pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
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Hi Jeff,
I heard a lot of good things about your support from french website (Jacques Turbe and
other) ... And your quick answer shows they were right :-)
> > Unix version may be available some day ...
>
> Hopefully soon. I've just been distracted snd burnt out :P
>
> The unix version is mostly held up because I need to assemble a
> good build environment (half dozen versions of linux and the BSDs, all
> staticly linked. Pain in the butt :)
he he the beauty of open source ;-) ... I'm a dev too and I understand your pain .. and
frustration!.
Sure you could release it as OpenSource, so that power user could recompile it and do the
job, but I'm not sure it's really good for commercial app ;-)
Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from being perfect...)
> > Is there someone that has done a Bonzai template to export to shadow XML?
>
> A good question. If someone has, let me know and I'll pop it up
> onto the website.
If I can't find it, and if I have time, I can do it if I finally want to switch to Shaow
plan, if so I'll keep you in touch.
Thomas
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| 8246 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 4:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
> Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from
> being perfect...)
Java isn't very multiplatform in many ways; try installing a JVM
into every version of windows, automatically, and having it work 99% of
the time ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8247 |
From: Chris <chris@p...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
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On 4 Dec 2002 at 11:04, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
>
> > Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from
> > being perfect...)
>
> Java isn't very multiplatform in many ways; try installing a JVM
> into every version of windows, automatically, and having it work 99% of
> the time ;)
>
> jeff
You could go with Perl. All your Linux boxen and MacOSX folks should have a
copy, and AS is pretty reliable as far as installing and running 99% of the
time. :)
-Chris
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| 8248 |
From: chagassou <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
>
> > Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from
> > being perfect...)
ouch I've made a typo : it's far from being perfect(those crazy fingers have a life of their
own! ... or pehaps it's my english ....:-))
>
> Java isn't very multiplatform in many ways; try installing a JVM
> into every version of windows, automatically, and having it work 99% of
> the time ;)
....I agree :-) and it's still slow. Anyway, doing an exe for all flavor of unix will be
really a challenge ! good luck ...
Thomas
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8249 |
From: ksgordo <ksg@t...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:06pm
Subject: A feature suggestion/request
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Would it be possible to provide a preference that would control the
use of the V button? I almost never use it to choose a view, and
almost always use it to choose a recent file, which is a two-click
operation as things now stand.
So if I had my druthers, the V button would bring up the list of
recent files as a default, with the option of going to views. A
preference, if this is possible, would allow people to choose whether
they want the current behaviour of the V button or "list recent files".
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| 8250 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Chris wrote:
> You could go with Perl. All your Linux boxen and MacOSX folks should
> have a copy, and AS is pretty reliable as far as installing and
> running 99% of the time. :)
I don't really want to write a new app for every platform,
either. Perl is one of my favourite things, but I'm not intereste dinw
riting a desktop in perl, and then writing it again for Windows. Nor do I
want to put an embedded perl interpreter in a Windows app to run the perl
code. Nor do I want to rewrite it all in perl, when I've already got it in
cross platofrm C ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8251 |
From: jkrzyszt <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 8:50pm
Subject: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi
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Comple of things/questions.
The Bonsi desktop is fully functional like to Palm app. Any ETA on
getting the ShadowPlan desktop on par with the Palm app? This is a
biggy for me as I will definitely be using both equally.
In Bonsi, each item has a type (Simple/ToDo/Task). This means the tree
has a slightly different visual feedback for each item. Does
ShadowPlan have this?
So far I am very divided, mostly do the the desktop component. I
really like Bonsi's, but ShadowPlan VFS support and tons more
functionality.
Jeffrey A. Krzysztow
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| 8252 |
From: Heather <heatheryou@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:21pm
Subject: Re: fatal exception error.
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I was trying to solve this problem. i upgraded to your newest
release. Still there. So I deleted some recent programs. Still
there. Next Did a soft reset. Still there. Then I did a hard
reset. and installed just shadow, The problem was fixed. Then I
put my datebk5 files in and the problem recurred. So I did hard
another hard reset and instlled both datebk5 and shadow, fresh. Now
it seems to be working. Phew. I just thought you would like to
know. BTW it was happening every time I tapped on the add button.
I couldnt find an exception. I had been having some problems with
my datebk5 database and it was probably connected, since after i put
the old database back it started up again. That was why I decided
to start from scratch. But boy is it alot of work. I need to get
backup buddy or something.
Heather
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Heather wrote:
>
> > I get a fatal exception error and reset every time I click on
add in
> > the link manager screen. I am just learning the program, so it
is
> > possible (or maybe even probable) I am doing something wrong.
> >
> > I have version 2.6.0 with the link hack installed. That is the
> > only hack I currently have running, and havent yet figured out
how
> > to use it. I did install and uninstall Launcher x the other
day.
> > Maybe that had something to do with it?
> >
> > BTW I am running an m515 and use Datebk5 for my todos and
calendar.
>
> Everything shoudl be fine; LX is okay, and LinkerHack is
pertty
> stable. It is possible some very rare issues are still lurking in
the link
> dialog.. I hear of a problem every few months, so its hard to nail
since
> it happens so infrequently.
>
> At what exact time does it occur? What steps to reproduce the
> problem?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8253 |
From: chagassou <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:42pm
Subject: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...
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Hi,
While Shadow is downloading, I've began to write an XML export from
bonsai (and I must confess it's really a great feature ...)
And I have some concern about shadow XML (I've looked at your XML
spec):
-Category??? where should I put it????
-date : you use palm epoch ... and bonsai unix epch :-(
-How do you define the type of an item (todo or task or with progress)
and some other details : Obviously the XML webpage is not up to date,
do you have a more recent description?
Thomas
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| 8254 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:01pm
Subject: Re: A feature suggestion/request
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, ksgordo wrote:
> Would it be possible to provide a preference that would control the
> use of the V button? I almost never use it to choose a view, and
> almost always use it to choose a recent file, which is a two-click
> operation as things now stand.
>
> So if I had my druthers, the V button would bring up the list of
> recent files as a default, with the option of going to views. A
> preference, if this is possible, would allow people to choose whether
> they want the current behaviour of the V button or "list recent files".
You could bind Shadow to a hardkey on your device, and then the
Recent Files is only ever one tap away anyway :)
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8255 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
> Comple of things/questions.
>
> The Bonsi desktop is fully functional like to Palm app. Any ETA on
> getting the ShadowPlan desktop on par with the Palm app? This is a
> biggy for me as I will definitely be using both equally.
Our desktop is growing over time; our handheld software is some of
the most advanced Palm OS software around, so getting a desktop across 3
platforms (Mac, Windows, Unix) to that level takes time. Can't be helped
:(
The real question is.. what features are you *missing*? It does a
lot of what people need (not yet what they want ;). I'm expecting to add
filters soon, and then spend a month or two trying to make it look and act
more Shadow like. What are you looking for in particular?
> In Bonsi, each item has a type (Simple/ToDo/Task). This means the tree
> has a slightly different visual feedback for each item. Does
> ShadowPlan have this?
It has much more than this. You can have a defalt view for the
list, and on an item by item basis. You can even define your own views for
the list or individual items, and classes of views across lists. You'll
not find an app more customizable than Shadow.. besides maybe DB5 :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8256 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:14am
Subject: Re: Re: fatal exception error.
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Heather wrote:
> I was trying to solve this problem. i upgraded to your newest
> release. Still there. So I deleted some recent programs. Still
> there. Next Did a soft reset. Still there. Then I did a hard reset.
> and installed just shadow, The problem was fixed. Then I put my
> datebk5 files in and the problem recurred. So I did hard another hard
> reset and instlled both datebk5 and shadow, fresh. Now it seems to be
> working. Phew. I just thought you would like to know. BTW it was
> happening every time I tapped on the add button. I couldnt find an
> exception. I had been having some problems with my datebk5 database
> and it was probably connected, since after i put the old database back
> it started up again. That was why I decided to start from scratch.
> But boy is it alot of work. I need to get backup buddy or something.
Yike! Quite an adventure :/
BackupBuddy is pretty darned handy all right. I always pick and
choose which files to install after a reset... its amazing how much
"garbage" you end up with installed over time :)
Glad your'e worked out,
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8257 |
From: jkrzyszt <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:25am
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
>
> > Comple of things/questions.
> >
> > The Bonsi desktop is fully functional like to Palm app. Any ETA on
> > getting the ShadowPlan desktop on par with the Palm app? This is a
> > biggy for me as I will definitely be using both equally.
>
> Our desktop is growing over time; our handheld software is some of
> the most advanced Palm OS software around, so getting a desktop across 3
> platforms (Mac, Windows, Unix) to that level takes time. Can't be helped
> :(
>
> The real question is.. what features are you *missing*? It does a
> lot of what people need (not yet what they want ;). I'm expecting to add
> filters soon, and then spend a month or two trying to make it look
and act
> more Shadow like. What are you looking for in particular?
I am of coarse looking for it to be as functional as the Palm app. And
the Palm is (see below) is WAY AHEAD!
An Most Recently Used (MRU) Shadow Outlines listing in the Main
Desktop would be really cool.
But the #1 thing for me right off would be to make the area from
left-to-right resizable. I'd like to be able to change how much screen
the List Panel vs the Detail Panel take up. #2 also be able to resize
the memo area. This is the place I plan on doing "most" of editing. I
wish to store hierarchical memos/notes.
>
> > In Bonsi, each item has a type (Simple/ToDo/Task). This means the tree
> > has a slightly different visual feedback for each item. Does
> > ShadowPlan have this?
>
> It has much more than this. You can have a defalt view for the
> list, and on an item by item basis. You can even define your own
views for
> the list or individual items, and classes of views across lists. You'll
> not find an app more customizable than Shadow.. besides maybe DB5 :)
>
After re-reading the manual, I found this. The is a powerful program!
I am going to register it right now!
One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
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| 8258 |
From: chagassou <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 11:01am
Subject: Export Bonsai to Shadow : it works
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Hi,
I've made the XML bonsai template, it works.
Thomas
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| 8259 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
> One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
> notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
> to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
4k is in pace for both the older units and performance. Allowing
larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions, once
a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
demand but traditionally its nottoo high on peoples lists. Instead I've
thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
such). We'll see.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8260 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: Export Bonsai to Shadow : it works
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
> I've made the XML bonsai template, it works.
Keep! Is it something you can share?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8261 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
> While Shadow is downloading, I've began to write an XML export from
> bonsai (and I must confess it's really a great feature ...)
> And I have some concern about shadow XML (I've looked at your XML
> spec):
> -Category??? where should I put it????
Category isn't part of a list. Its higher level than a list and is
kept in ShadCat with various statistics. You can't muck with it via XML,
sorry :(
> -date : you use palm epoch ... and bonsai unix epch :-(
heh. Unix epoch is only good for dates 1970 and later
(traditionally, though you can use negative epochs to handle some earlier
dates on some systems) so I avoided it and used Palms native epoch. You
can just do some subtraction to change from one to the other.
> -How do you define the type of an item (todo or task or with progress)
Set override to -1 for "take on the lists default view". If you
wish to override the item, you can set it to 0..n wher ethe nuber
corresponds to the same order as in List Prefs.. 0 for checklist, and up
from there.
> and some other details : Obviously the XML webpage is not up to date,
> do you have a more recent description?
The XML webpage is fairly up to date, just using the old
formatting perhaps. It should have 95% of what you need. Feel free to ask
questions, or perhaps in shadow-developer.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 8262 |
From: Curtis Clifton <cclifton@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:04pm
Subject: Recurring Tasks
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Scott,
> I also like this idea. THe other issue that keeps me using ToDoPlus is
> repeating and recurring tasks. If Shadow had a good way of handling
> those,
> I could get rid of ToDoPlus completely. Just a suggestion.
Here's how I dealt with this in Shadow:
1. In View Manager, create a custom view. I call it "Uncheckable".
Include the Target Date column, and any others you like, but do not
include the Checkbox.
2. For each recurring item in my Shadow lists, go into the details
screen, and use the top-right drop-down menu to set the item's view to
"Uncheckable".
3. Now when I complete a recurring task I don't accidentally mark it as
complete, since there is no checkbox. Instead, I click the target date
column and reschedule the task to the next due date.
That's the basics of my system. Changing the target of recurring items
gives me the same "completion satisfaction" as tapping the checkbox.
One disadvantage of this system is if you need to keep track of tasks
accomplished.
Other tricks that I use are to keep separate parent items for daily
tasks, weekly tasks, and irregular tasks. And for the irregular tasks,
I use the item's note field to record the recurrence pattern. (Somehow
I just can't remember that our materials for recycling have to be put
curbside on the Wednesday before the 1st and 3rd Thursday of each
month.)
-- Curt
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| 8263 |
From: chagassou <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:04pm
Subject: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
>
> > While Shadow is downloading, I've began to write an XML export from
> > bonsai (and I must confess it's really a great feature ...)
> > And I have some concern about shadow XML (I've looked at your XML
> > spec):
>
> > -Category??? where should I put it????
>
> Category isn't part of a list. Its higher level than a list and is
> kept in ShadCat with various statistics. You can't muck with it via XML,
> sorry :(
ok, not a big issue there
>
> > -date : you use palm epoch ... and bonsai unix epch :-(
>
> heh. Unix epoch is only good for dates 1970 and later
> (traditionally, though you can use negative epochs to handle some earlier
> dates on some systems) so I avoided it and used Palms native epoch. You
> can just do some subtraction to change from one to the other.
hum sure, but the bonsai engine can't do that, what I could do is dumping the unix epoch,
and after a little scripts could do the translation?
>
> > -How do you define the type of an item (todo or task or with progress)
>
> Set override to -1 for "take on | |
