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8201

From: T_D  <T_D@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 2:47pm
Subject: Re: New to Shadow.

 
Ok, I'll check that out some, Still is a bit confusing to work within shadow. Very complext program.
-T_D
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] New to Shadow.


  On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, t_d_s2k wrote:

  > Hi, I'm looking for some help on using shadow. Here's the bottom 
  > line, I'm forgetfull and need a checklist of things I have to do 
  > before leaving work. Is there a way to make a checklist of things, 
  > and not have to go into details of each one to mark it done, and them 
  > reset the list with one button? Thanks.

        If the list is a "Checklist" view you will have checkboxes down
  the left side, one per item. You can just tap once to check the item, and
  theres a menu item to "uncheck all" to reset it. If the list is not a
  checklist, you can (Advanced topic) add a checkbox to it, or change it to
  a Checklist (see the [V] popmenu in the top right of the open list)

              jeff

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
  -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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8202

From: tarasofsky  <Tarasofsky@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: Linking to datebook

 
Hi, 

I have a small (I think) feature request.

Any possibility to put in a time screen in when linking to datebook, 
so that one can set a precise appointment?  Right now, one has to set 
the link, and then go into datebook and then set the time.  Would be 
great if it could be a bit more straightforward.

Thanks,

Richard
8203

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 4:43pm
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook

 
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, tarasofsky wrote:

> I have a small (I think) feature request.
> 
> Any possibility to put in a time screen in when linking to datebook, 
> so that one can set a precise appointment?  Right now, one has to set 
> the link, and then go into datebook and then set the time.  Would be 
> great if it could be a bit more straightforward.

	I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe just a
popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)

		jeff

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8204

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:14pm
Subject: Other codejedi products?

 
Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
exists. However, it is not Shadow related.

	If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?

	A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
flamewar, though :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8205

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?

 
Jeff Mitchell wrote:

>	Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
>question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
>new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
>exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
>
>	If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
>underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
>shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
>
>	A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
>flamewar, though :)
>
>		jeff
>  
>
Good lord Jeff, send the message!  A one time announcement of a product 
is NOT spam. A short, simple message with the relevant link is great, 
and even info about how to sign up for that product's list, if they're 
interested. I don't know about other folks, but when I find a good 
product I always want to know what else the developer has done because 
I'll probably like it too. If people don't like it, the delete key is 
easy to find on the keyboard.

-- 

Jen

http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
8206

From: tsuchy  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
> new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people
> know it exists. However, it is not Shadow related.

I don't see this as a problem; it would be a problem if you sold the
list, but since this is from you, about something you did, then send it. 

Actually, maybe you should send this out when there's a major revision
or upgrade in the works, as a "By the way..." kinda thing... You know,
like when the UNIX desktop comes out, hint hint!

!tom!
8207

From: C. Ward Yelverton  <ward@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: RE: Other codejedi products?

 
I'm with Jen.  I joined this list for Codejedi and your programming and
attitude. Shadow's siblings and cousins are still members of the family.

Now if you start mentioning member enlargers ... that's stretching it a
bit.

Ward
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:14 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Other codejedi products?


	Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of
the
new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know
it
exists. However, it is not Shadow related.

	If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?

	A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
flamewar, though :)

		jeff



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8208

From: bstryd610  <bstryd@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook

 
There are times when I have wanted just this feature. It would be a 
help -- and then I could double schedule myself from several 
programs   :-)

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, tarasofsky wrote:
> 
> > I have a small (I think) feature request.
> > 
> > Any possibility to put in a time screen in when linking to 
datebook, 
> > so that one can set a precise appointment?  Right now, one has to 
set 
> > the link, and then go into datebook and then set the time.  Would 
be 
> > great if it could be a bit more straightforward.
> 
> 	I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. 
Not
> sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe 
just a
> popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8209

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 9:31pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?

 
i think you can send it out to the entire group once, and indicate that and the fact that you are doing it since it is related to the Shadow website offerings.  anyone that complains over one email they can easily delete likely would complain about anything.  thanks for asking for our input on something that is clearly your sole call.  keep up the great work Jeff.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:14 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Other codejedi products?



        Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
  question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
  new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
  exists. However, it is not Shadow related.

        If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
  underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
  shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?

        A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
  flamewar, though :)

              jeff



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8210

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: RE: Other codejedi products?

 
Jeff,

Having seen the announcement, downloaded, installed and played, I'm certainly glad you did post it!

Excellent work... Fastest time I've ever registered a program after downloading a demo ;-)

More board emulations, please!

Anthony Royle

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 6:14
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Other codejedi products?
> 
> 
> 
> 	Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
> question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an 
> announcement of the
> new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so 
> people know it
> exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
> 
> 	If that is spam, I won't do it. I want nothing to do with
> underhandedness. By the same token.. did people sign up for
> shadow-announce for Codejedi news, or for Shadow-specific news?
> 
> 	A dilemma, though a small one. I"m sure it'll erupt into a big
> flamewar, though :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>
8211

From: Alys  <alys_ylist_1@o...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 10:16pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?

 
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:14:26PM -0500, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 	Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
> question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
> new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
> exists. However, it is not Shadow related.

There's a shadow-announce list?? Excellent! I will subscribe
immediately, and I will look forward to reading messages on it about
other products by one of the most response Palm developers around. :)

If you're worried about some people considering it as spam (not
that I imagine anyone would), then maybe you could put "OT" in the
subject, and explain in the message that a vocal majority of the
list has requested you post messages about your other products. That
should cover it.

Alys
alys_ylist_1@o...
8212

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 10:26pm
Subject: Re: Other codejedi products?

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Alys wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:14:26PM -0500, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > 	Since we now have non-Shadow products in the line up, an ethical
> > question comes to mind. I'm thinking of sending out an announcement of the
> > new product to the shadow-announce list, just this once, so people know it
> > exists. However, it is not Shadow related.
> 
> There's a shadow-announce list?? Excellent! I will subscribe
> immediately, and I will look forward to reading messages on it about
> other products by one of the most response Palm developers around. :)
> 
> If you're worried about some people considering it as spam (not
> that I imagine anyone would), then maybe you could put "OT" in the
> subject, and explain in the message that a vocal majority of the
> list has requested you post messages about your other products. That
> should cover it.

	I posted somethign after the first few all positive
replies. Figured ah hell, and added a disclaimer :)

	Heres the post:
http://shadow.skeleton.org/pipermail/shadow-announce/2002-December/000038.html

	Cheers!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8213

From: scnunes2@a...
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC

 
Can anyone ad further to my suggestion - but  would suggest that the date 
export using the display preference set in Palm preferences, and that it 
right justify to the item it is set for, just as it appears as one set it up 
on  the outline.
8214

From: scnunes2@a...
Date: Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:52pm
Subject: Re: Shadow & Ecco Pro - Ecco File format

 
I'm afraid that I'm only familiar with Ecco as a past enthusiastic user - I 
am not program literate enough to say what the format it uses is. If you 
follow the link to the site that I posted in my first message on this 
subject, I believe there is a programmer quoted on that site (Tom Hoots) who 
sounds knowledgeable enough to  know.

Thank you very much for your time and your  response to my request!
8215

From: charlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 0:58am
Subject: Background paint...again

 
Jeff: Spent more time with 2.6.9 on my Clie NR-70 with OS 4.1...and
the coloring snafu is definitely there. Situation: with HRA engaged,
Col-bg engaged, custom coloring: if a list item has a note attached,
when you press on the note icon to see the note's contents, then the
custom color chosen for the highlighted item (light yellow in my
case)appears both on the top right, where the  menu choices are, and
on the bottom right, where Shadow's "up" and "down" arrows are.  The
arrows remain operational, and if fact look like the normal arrows,
with a yellow background: if you press them with the stylus, the
custom color disappears here, but not in the upper right corner; the
upper right icons are unrecognizable, but if you press in that area,
they will still activate, and when you do that, the custom coloring on
the top right disappears...but not the coloring on the bottom right!!
Closing the file and reopening it chases all the paint problems
away...until you choose another note item in the file!! This happens
with all 8 of my files....
Chris
8216

From: Griff  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:05am
Subject: VG area for NR/NX series

 
I've been gone from my usual groups, including this one for a few 
months.  During a scan at ClieSource today I found out that both 
Thought Manager and Bonsai support the virtual grafitti area of the 
Sony NR/NX series devices.

I know work is supposed to be focused on the desktop, but in the past 
month of posts here I've seen discussions on the use of the Tungsten 
navigator, and the release of a handheld version with themeing.  I've 
also seen enhanced Handera support.

So I guess the question is, any idea when the VG area will be 
supported in Shadow.  I have to admit that were I evaluating and 
purchasing today, I'd probably give Shadow a low mark for not 
supporting it, and I wonder how many new Clie users are doing the 
same.
8217

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:16am
Subject: Re: Background paint...again

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, charlepp wrote:

> Jeff: Spent more time with 2.6.9 on my Clie NR-70 with OS 4.1...and
> the coloring snafu is definitely there. Situation: with HRA engaged,
> Col-bg engaged, custom coloring: if a list item has a note attached,
> when you press on the note icon to see the note's contents, then the
> custom color chosen for the highlighted item (light yellow in my
> case)appears both on the top right, where the menu choices are, and on
> the bottom right, where Shadow's "up" and "down" arrows are.  The
> arrows remain operational, and if fact look like the normal arrows,
> with a yellow background: if you press them with the stylus, the
> custom color disappears here, but not in the upper right corner; the
> upper right icons are unrecognizable, but if you press in that area,
> they will still activate, and when you do that, the custom coloring on
> the top right disappears...but not the coloring on the bottom right!!
> Closing the file and reopening it chases all the paint problems
> away...until you choose another note item in the file!! This happens
> with all 8 of my files.... Chris

	And the note icon is what causes it? Not anything else?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8218

From: Alys  <alys_ylist_1@o...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:19am
Subject: Re: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC

 
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 07:37:37PM -0500, scnunes2@a... wrote:
> Can anyone ad further to my suggestion - but  would suggest that the date 
> export using the display preference set in Palm preferences, and that it 
> right justify to the item it is set for, just as it appears as one set it up 
> on  the outline. 

Using the Palm preferences date format is a good idea. There'd
probably be interest in having a configuration option for whether the
date is before or after the item.

My main request is that if a user chooses _not_ to export the date,
then there should be no indication that there's an empty date field
in the exported text.  For example, imagine that Shadow is changed
so that the date and item can be exported with brackets around the
date like this:
    [4/3/03] item text here
If you then do an export with no date fields, then the exported
line would look like this:
    item text here
and not like this:
    [] item text here

I hope that makes sense!

My reason for asking for this is that I sometimes use Shadow for
writing programs, with the parent-child hierachy used to mimic the
indentation you'd put into the code. For example, the first line
of a subroutine would be a parent item, and each line inside that
subroutine would be a child of the parent item. I can then export the
code with tabs, paste it into a file on my PC, and it's ready to run.
Having some indication in the exported text that there's an empty
date field on every line would play havoc with this. :)

Alys
alys_ylist_1@o...
8219

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 1:17am
Subject: Re: VG area for NR/NX series

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Griff wrote:

> I've been gone from my usual groups, including this one for a few
> months.  During a scan at ClieSource today I found out that both
> Thought Manager and Bonsai support the virtual grafitti area of the
> Sony NR/NX series devices.
> 
> I know work is supposed to be focused on the desktop, but in the past 
> month of posts here I've seen discussions on the use of the Tungsten 
> navigator, and the release of a handheld version with themeing.  I've 
> also seen enhanced Handera support.
> 
> So I guess the question is, any idea when the VG area will be 
> supported in Shadow.  I have to admit that were I evaluating and 
> purchasing today, I'd probably give Shadow a low mark for not 
> supporting it, and I wonder how many new Clie users are doing the 
> same.

	Hopefully 2.7, or if not, 2.8 very soon after. ie: Inside of a
couple of weeks for sure.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8220

From: tljr_2000  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:17am
Subject: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial

 
Sony Clie T-665
Palm OS v4.1
Shadow 2.6.9a

Anyone having any problems using the jog dial on their Clie in 
v2.6.9a?  For instance, I have a color theme set up for the "Selected 
Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes set 
up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well).  When I select an item (and 
the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the jog 
dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to continue 
scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the next 
item on my list.  I encounter this problem whether or not I 
have 'children' hidden or not.  I'm also seeing that the numbering of 
my items changes when I tap on the item.  However, I believe Jeff 
mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in the 
final release.

Todd
8221

From: charlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 0:37pm
Subject: Re: Background paint...again

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, charlepp wrote:
> 
> > Jeff: Spent more time with 2.6.9 on my Clie NR-70 with OS 4.1...and
> > the coloring snafu is definitely there. Situation: with HRA engaged,
> > Col-bg engaged, custom coloring: if a list item has a note attached,
> > when you press on the note icon to see the note's contents, then the
> > custom color chosen for the highlighted item (light yellow in my
> > case)appears both on the top right, where the menu choices are, and on
> > the bottom right, where Shadow's "up" and "down" arrows are.  The
> > arrows remain operational, and if fact look like the normal arrows,
> > with a yellow background: if you press them with the stylus, the
> > custom color disappears here, but not in the upper right corner; the
> > upper right icons are unrecognizable, but if you press in that area,
> > they will still activate, and when you do that, the custom coloring on
> > the top right disappears...but not the coloring on the bottom right!!
> > Closing the file and reopening it chases all the paint problems
> > away...until you choose another note item in the file!! This happens
> > with all 8 of my files.... Chris
> 
> 	And the note icon is what causes it? Not anything else?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

Yes, the only (and consistent) action that causes the background paint
is tapping on the note icon. I tried other actions but couldn't get it
to do it...but the note icon tap does it every time!!
8222

From: purzel2503  <ulrichwerz@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 0:37pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tljr_2000" <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> Sony Clie T-665
> Palm OS v4.1
> Shadow 2.6.9a
> 
> Anyone having any problems using the jog dial on their Clie in 
> v2.6.9a?  

I cannot reproduce this problem on my Clié T 675C. V 2.6.9a is 
working fine, as far as I´m experiencing.
8223

From: fiatspider72  <jphillips@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 3:12pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Alys <alys_ylist_1@o...> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 07:37:37PM -0500, scnunes2@a... wrote:
> > Can anyone ad further to my suggestion - but  would suggest that
the date 
> > export using the display preference set in Palm preferences, and
that it 
> > right justify to the item it is set for, just as it appears as one
set it up 
> > on  the outline. 
> 
> Using the Palm preferences date format is a good idea. There'd
> probably be interest in having a configuration option for whether the
> date is before or after the item.
> 
> My main request is that if a user chooses _not_ to export the date,
> then there should be no indication that there's an empty date field
> in the exported text.  For example, imagine that Shadow is changed
> so that the date and item can be exported with brackets around the
> date like this:
>     [4/3/03] item text here
> If you then do an export with no date fields, then the exported
> line would look like this:
>     item text here
> and not like this:
>     [] item text here
> 
> I hope that makes sense!
> 
> My reason for asking for this is that I sometimes use Shadow for
> writing programs, with the parent-child hierachy used to mimic the
> indentation you'd put into the code. For example, the first line
> of a subroutine would be a parent item, and each line inside that
> subroutine would be a child of the parent item. I can then export the
> code with tabs, paste it into a file on my PC, and it's ready to run.
> Having some indication in the exported text that there's an empty
> date field on every line would play havoc with this. :)
> 
> Alys
> alys_ylist_1@o...

Sounds very good to me.  I often use SP to take notes in class or
meetings, then export to a DOC and pull it into Wordsmith for
spellchecking, additional formating, etc...  I love working with
outlines, but they are not always to dates.

 - Jeramy

PS - I also love using SP to make outlines of term papers, export and
start work in Wordsmith.
8224

From: charlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 3:15pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial

 
Todd: can't reproduce the problem on my NR-70, with the same setup as
your T-665. My "Selected Item" color theme jumps from one item to the
next using the jog dial, with no hiccups...
Chris
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tljr_2000" <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> Sony Clie T-665
> Palm OS v4.1
> Shadow 2.6.9a
> 
> Anyone having any problems using the jog dial on their Clie in 
> v2.6.9a?  For instance, I have a color theme set up for the "Selected 
> Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes set 
> up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well).  When I select an item (and 
> the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the jog 
> dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to continue 
> scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the next 
> item on my list.  I encounter this problem whether or not I 
> have 'children' hidden or not.  I'm also seeing that the numbering of 
> my items changes when I tap on the item.  However, I believe Jeff 
> mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in the 
> final release.
> 
> Todd
8225

From: fiatspider72  <jphillips@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 3:42pm
Subject: Re: Linking to datebook

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
> sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
just a
> popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
> 
> 		jeff

Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
that time in the  in the DB entry.

Part of the reason I suggest the built in time picker is that I use
the application SelectTime:

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41275
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2C7214A2

as a replacement time picker.  Actually, if one could also select the
length of the appointment / ending time you wouldn't even really need
to go to the DB application at all (just like with ToDo's).

I would find this feature very helpful when when inputting an entire
schedule.  Example - I use Shadow to enter my son's wrestling schedule
and link it to the DB, but then I have to go into each DB entry to set
the time.

While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request!  I
would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos.  Example - sitting in
a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be
using my calandering application to see what else is going on, select
days for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
"[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format.  Jump over to Shadow when done,
import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
import and make the appropiate links.  Badda-bing, badda-boom!  I am
in heaven! 
:-)

Jeff - thanks for all of your hard work.  Shadow Plan has to be one of
the most useful applications that I use not only on my Visor Platinum,
but on my PC as well.

 - Jeramy
8226

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook

 
I'm not sure from the past readings exactly what will be implemented by Jeff regarding Datebook times.  Sounds like we could pick times on the hour in Shadow which would presumably then show up in our Agendus (or other) appointment at the specified time and date.  Is that correct Jeff?  If so, that would be AWESOME!  That is the only item missing from me doing almost all my planning from Shadow...a time for appointments.  Thanks for any work in this area Jeff.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fiatspider72 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:42 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Linking to datebook


  --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  > 
  >       I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
  > sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
  just a
  > popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
  > 
  >             jeff

  Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
  the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
  calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
  Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
  that time in the  in the DB entry.

  Part of the reason I suggest the built in time picker is that I use
  the application SelectTime:

  http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41275
  http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2C7214A2

  as a replacement time picker.  Actually, if one could also select the
  length of the appointment / ending time you wouldn't even really need
  to go to the DB application at all (just like with ToDo's).

  I would find this feature very helpful when when inputting an entire
  schedule.  Example - I use Shadow to enter my son's wrestling schedule
  and link it to the DB, but then I have to go into each DB entry to set
  the time.

  While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request!  I
  would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
  DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos.  Example - sitting in
  a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be
  using my calandering application to see what else is going on, select
  days for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
  "[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format.  Jump over to Shadow when done,
  import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
  import and make the appropiate links.  Badda-bing, badda-boom!  I am
  in heaven! 
  :-)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8227

From: Griff  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Re: VG area for NR/NX series

 
Hmmm, ok, ok, I can wait that long <LOL>.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Griff wrote:

> > 
> > So I guess the question is, any idea when the VG area will be 
> > supported in Shadow.  I have to admit that were I evaluating and 
> > purchasing today, I'd probably give Shadow a low mark for not 
> > supporting it, and I wonder how many new Clie users are doing the 
> > same.
> 
> 	Hopefully 2.7, or if not, 2.8 very soon after. ie: Inside of a
> couple of weeks for sure.
> 
> 		jeff
8228

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: No bleeding in 2.6.9

 
Right now it seems to be happening every time I expand a note.  If the list does not fill the screen, then the empty bottom portion of the screen after the items gets painted as well.

--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
>
>> I'm still occasionally getting background painting under the dropdown
>> buttons at the top right.  Still can't seem to find a pattern, though
>> I think it's less than it was with the first theming version.
>> 
>> 2.6.9
>> os4.1 t615
>
>	How often is it? Like very infrequently, or all-the-damned-time?
>
>		jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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8229

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Dates set for Shadow items to DOC

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Alys wrote:

> Using the Palm preferences date format is a good idea. There'd
> probably be interest in having a configuration option for whether the
> date is before or after the item.

	Ahh, always turns into real work ;)

> My reason for asking for this is that I sometimes use Shadow for
> writing programs, with the parent-child hierachy used to mimic the
> indentation you'd put into the code. For example, the first line of a
> subroutine would be a parent item, and each line inside that
> subroutine would be a child of the parent item. I can then export the
> code with tabs, paste it into a file on my PC, and it's ready to run.
> Having some indication in the exported text that there's an empty date
> field on every line would play havoc with this. :)

	Thats pretty keen. A few people have done that, and it amazes me
:)

	I'll see abuot a basic date export.

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8230

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:

> v2.6.9a?  For instance, I have a color theme set up for the "Selected
> Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes set
> up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well).  When I select an item (and
> the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the jog
> dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to continue
> scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the next
> item on my list.  I encounter this problem whether or not I have
> 'children' hidden or not.  I'm also seeing that the numbering of my
> items changes when I tap on the item.  However, I believe Jeff
> mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in the
> final release.

	Are you using filters?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8231

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, fiatspider72 wrote:

> Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
> the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
> calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
> Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
> that time in the  in the DB entry.

	Yeah, sounds best. I wastoo asleep when I said otherwise (though I
was thinking of the idea of a popup for hours, so you could use jog to
quickly set it, etc.)

> While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request!  I
> would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
> DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos.  Example - sitting in
> a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be using
> my calandering application to see what else is going on, select days
> for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
> "[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format.  Jump over to Shadow when done,
> import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
> import and make the appropiate links.  Badda-bing, badda-boom!  I am
> in heaven!  :-)

	In the works :)

> Jeff - thanks for all of your hard work.  Shadow Plan has to be one of
> the most useful applications that I use not only on my Visor Platinum,
> but on my PC as well.

	Your welcome.

	Xmas is comign thuogh.. I may be slower for a bit. Need to buy
presents :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8232

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 6:49pm
Subject: Re: No bleeding in 2.6.9

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Right now it seems to be happening every time I expand a note.  If the
> list does not fill the screen, then the empty bottom portion of the
> screen after the items gets painted as well.

	Yep, you gyus got it. I can reproduce this, so I'll fix
ASAP! That'll get us very near release for 2.7, then add VG for 2.8? :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8233

From: Heather  <heatheryou@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: fatal exception error.

 
I get a fatal exception error and reset every time I click on add in 
the link manager screen.  I am just learning the program, so it is 
possible (or maybe even probable) I am doing something wrong.

I have version 2.6.0  with the link hack installed.  That is the 
only hack I currently have running, and havent yet figured out how 
to use it.  I did install and uninstall Launcher x the other day.  
Maybe that had something to do with it?  

BTW I am running an m515 and use Datebk5 for my todos and calendar.

Heather
8234

From: webfiddler2  <webfiddler2@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Start/Finish columns?

 
For those of us who live in the land of billable hours, this show-
finish-date column would be manna. The program is fantastic as is, so 
I've already purchased it and the DT. But I gotta tell ya, having 
looked at the responsiveness obvious in the programming cycle, I've 
got my pinkies crossed that this one feature, which would allow me to 
kill a few lesser programs . . . Lawdhamercy! I need kleenex to mop 
up the drool!

:-)

WebFiddler

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How high is Start and Finish optional columns (a la target 
date
> column) on your lists?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8235

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 9:08pm
Subject: Re: fatal exception error.

 
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Heather wrote:

> I get a fatal exception error and reset every time I click on add in 
> the link manager screen.  I am just learning the program, so it is 
> possible (or maybe even probable) I am doing something wrong.
> 
> I have version 2.6.0  with the link hack installed.  That is the 
> only hack I currently have running, and havent yet figured out how 
> to use it.  I did install and uninstall Launcher x the other day.  
> Maybe that had something to do with it?  
> 
> BTW I am running an m515 and use Datebk5 for my todos and calendar.

	Everything shoudl be fine; LX is okay, and LinkerHack is pertty
stable. It is possible some very rare issues are still lurking in the link
dialog.. I hear of a problem every few months, so its hard to nail since
it happens so infrequently.

	At what exact time does it occur? What steps to reproduce the
problem?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8236

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 0:02am
Subject: Shadow 2.6.9a occurences

 
Jeff,
Noticed these occurences with 2.6.9a:
I have theme set for Odd: black text on yellow, Even: Red text on 
dark green, Select: white on blue (no I'm not currently using this 
theme for anything - I know it's wierd!)
When I select items in a list that does NOT have Col-bg checked on 
when I select items and then leave them (select another item), the 
Odd items' text color has turned to red). This is cleared in a number 
of ways 1) exit the list and then return, enter an item's details 
(all items are cleared of red text upon return), and enter the list 
preferences and return.
When I go to the theme selection and choose the defaults this does 
not occur.
The other thing I noticed is that when selecting items with multi-
line text, only the first line is readable against the background 
(this no matter the color of the item's text).
Paul
8237

From: Griff  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 1:54am
Subject: Re: No bleeding in 2.6.9

 
OK, but only if desktop doesn't come before 2.8 *fingers crossed*.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Yep, you gyus got it. I can reproduce this, so I'll fix
> ASAP! That'll get us very near release for 2.7, then add VG for 
2.8? :)
>
8238

From: tljr_2000  <tlj1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:00am
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial

 
Jeff,

Yes, I am using filters.  And I see that if I disable the filters, 
the theme "scrolls" through the list without issue.  Is there any way 
to be able to scroll through a filtered list and not encounter the 
problem I described previously?  I like to filter out my completed 
items (at least for a 3-month period) before I delete them completely 
from the list.  Any thoughts?

Todd


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
> 
> > v2.6.9a?  For instance, I have a color theme set up for 
the "Selected
> > Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes 
set
> > up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well).  When I select an item 
(and
> > the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the 
jog
> > dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to 
continue
> > scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the 
next
> > item on my list.  I encounter this problem whether or not I have
> > 'children' hidden or not.  I'm also seeing that the numbering of 
my
> > items changes when I tap on the item.  However, I believe Jeff
> > mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in 
the
> > final release.
> 
> 	Are you using filters?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8239

From: scarlet_vx  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 8:06am
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8 - preferences sticking

 
I was a very old user on my Palm Vx but I started within the year 
with a newer version on my Clie.  But let's suppose something did 
leak over from the Palm.  How do I get rid of it/start over without 
losing everything?  Thanks.

My problems seem to be limited to fonts and themes.
> 
> 	How long have you been a Shadow user? Months or years? (ie: 
IF you
> started on a very very old version, perhaps there ssomething turdy 
left
> over int he original prefs..)
> 
> 		jeff
8240

From: chagassou  <tmenguy@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:15am
Subject: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
Hi, 
 
I'm a long time user and fan of Bonzai from Natara, but recently I started using it in a 
different way for professional use ... and I miss some feature ... I've found in the shadow 
plan manual ;-). 
 
For me it would be critical to : 
-have a good desktop (and if it could work on Linux it would be perfect... ) 
-Import my exiting bonzai outline to shadow 
 
For the desktop part I saw that you a re making progress, and that a Unix version may be 
available some day ... 
For importing,  I see with pleasure that you use XML for your base format : Bonzai desktop 
can export, through a great mechanismcalled template, all kind of XML, I read also that you 
provide your shadow xml specification : so my question is :  
 
Is there someone that has done a Bonzai template to export to shadow XML? 
 
Thanks 
Thomas
8241

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 1:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: 2.6.9 and Jog Dial

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:

> Yes, I am using filters.  And I see that if I disable the filters, the
> theme "scrolls" through the list without issue.  Is there any way to
> be able to scroll through a filtered list and not encounter the
> problem I described previously?  I like to filter out my completed
> items (at least for a 3-month period) before I delete them completely
> from the list.  Any thoughts?

	The problem is that the jog dial code ignores the filters
currently. My bad. Its on my list of things to fix soon :)

		jeff

> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
> > 
> > > v2.6.9a?  For instance, I have a color theme set up for 
> the "Selected
> > > Item" (although ... I encounter this same issue if I have themes 
> set
> > > up for "Odd" and "Even" items as well).  When I select an item 
> (and
> > > the color theme comes up fine), then try to scroll down using the 
> jog
> > > dial, the color theme disappears occasionally and I have to 
> continue
> > > scrolling (i.e. 3+ "clicks") to get the theme to show up on the 
> next
> > > item on my list.  I encounter this problem whether or not I have
> > > 'children' hidden or not.  I'm also seeing that the numbering of 
> my
> > > items changes when I tap on the item.  However, I believe Jeff
> > > mentioned (in a previous post), that this would be addressed in 
> the
> > > final release.
> > 
> > 	Are you using filters?
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8242

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 1:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8 - preferences sticking

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:

> I was a very old user on my Palm Vx but I started within the year 
> with a newer version on my Clie.  But let's suppose something did 
> leak over from the Palm.  How do I get rid of it/start over without 
> losing everything?  Thanks.
> 
> My problems seem to be limited to fonts and themes.

	See this makes nearly no sense, but we'll roll with it :)

	If you have a smart launcher, it can delete prefs without deleting
the application. For instance.. Launcher X lets you drag an pp to the
trashcan and then delete any of the app,the prefs, or the
datafiles. Unchecking the data and app, it just removes the prefs. Then
Shadow will be started fresh and you'll need to set your global settings
and reg-code again.. but it shoudl take.

	I know its a bit of a step. IF you do it, let me know how it goes.

		jeff

> > 
> > 	How long have you been a Shadow user? Months or years? (ie: 
> IF you
> > started on a very very old version, perhaps there ssomething turdy 
> left
> > over int he original prefs..)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8243

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to datebook

 
I also like this idea. THe other issue that keeps me using ToDoPlus is
repeating and recurring tasks. If Shadow had a good way of handling those,
I could get rid of ToDoPlus completely. Just a suggestion.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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I'm not sure from the past readings exactly what will be implemented by
Jeff regarding Datebook times.  Sounds like we could pick times on the hour
in Shadow which would presumably then show up in our Agendus (or other)
appointment at the specified time and date.  Is that correct Jeff?  If so,
that would be AWESOME!  That is the only item missing from me doing almost
all my planning from Shadow...a time for appointments.  Thanks for any work
in this area Jeff.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: fiatspider72
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:42 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Linking to datebook


  --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  >
  >       I'm thinking about adding a time-setter for conveniance sake. Not
  > sure how fancy, but I'll likely add somethign simple soon. Maybe
  just a
  > popup box to let you pick 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 that sort of thing :)
  >
  >             jeff

  Maybe there is a way that when you make the link to the DB entry on
  the Link Manager dialog that would allow you to set the time (by
  calling the built in time picker) and when selecting "Done" in the
  Link Manager (IIRC that is when Shadow creates the DB entry) placing
  that time in the  in the DB entry.

  Part of the reason I suggest the built in time picker is that I use
  the application SelectTime:

  http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41275
  http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2C7214A2

  as a replacement time picker.  Actually, if one could also select the
  length of the appointment / ending time you wouldn't even really need
  to go to the DB application at all (just like with ToDo's).

  I would find this feature very helpful when when inputting an entire
  schedule.  Example - I use Shadow to enter my son's wrestling schedule
  and link it to the DB, but then I have to go into each DB entry to set
  the time.

  While I am dreaming here, I'll through in another feature request!  I
  would love to be able to have the ability to import things from the
  DateBook DB the same way that we can for ToDos.  Example - sitting in
  a meeting and trying to decide on a schedule of events, I can be
  using my calandering application to see what else is going on, select
  days for future meetings or events, make the entry using the
  "[[[fileName]]]entryTitle" format.  Jump over to Shadow when done,
  import the new entries, Shadow cleans up just like with the ToDo
  import and make the appropiate links.  Badda-bing, badda-boom!  I am
  in heaven!
  :-)



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8244

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:

> I'm a long time user and fan of Bonzai from Natara, but recently I
> started using it in a different way for professional use ... and I
> miss some feature ... I've found in the shadow plan manual ;-).
>  
> For me it would be critical to : 
> -have a good desktop (and if it could work on Linux it would be perfect... ) 
> -Import my exiting bonzai outline to shadow 
>  For the desktop part I saw that you a re making progress, and that a
> Unix version may be available some day ...

	Hopefully soon. I've just been distracted snd burnt out :P

	The unix version is mostly held up because I need to assemble a
good build environment (half dozen versions of linux and the BSDs, all
staticly linked. Pain in the butt :)

> For importing, I see with pleasure that you use XML for your base
> format : Bonzai desktop can export, through a great mechanismcalled
> template, all kind of XML, I read also that you provide your shadow
> xml specification : so my question is :
>  
> Is there someone that has done a Bonzai template to export to shadow XML? 

	A good question. If someone has, let me know and I'll pop it up
onto the website.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8245

From: chagassou  <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 3:13pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
Hi Jeff, 
 
I heard a lot of good things about your support from french website (Jacques Turbe and 
other) ... And your quick answer shows they were right :-) 
 
 
> > Unix version may be available some day ... 
>  
>  Hopefully soon. I've just been distracted snd burnt out :P 
>  
>  The unix version is mostly held up because I need to assemble a 
> good build environment (half dozen versions of linux and the BSDs, all 
> staticly linked. Pain in the butt :) 
 
he he the beauty of open source ;-) ... I'm a dev too and I understand your pain .. and 
frustration!. 
Sure you could release it as OpenSource, so that power user could recompile it and do the 
job, but I'm not sure it's really good for commercial app ;-) 
 
Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from being perfect...)  
 
  
> > Is there someone that has done a Bonzai template to export to shadow XML?  
>  
>  A good question. If someone has, let me know and I'll pop it up 
> onto the website. 
 
If I can't find it, and if I have time, I can do it if I finally want to switch to Shaow 
plan, if so I'll keep you in touch. 
 
Thomas
8246

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 4:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:

> Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from
> being perfect...)

	Java isn't very multiplatform in many ways; try installing a JVM
into every version of windows, automatically, and having it work 99% of
the time ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8247

From: Chris  <chris@p...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
On 4 Dec 2002 at 11:04, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
> 
> > Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from
> > being perfect...)
> 
> 	Java isn't very multiplatform in many ways; try installing a JVM
> into every version of windows, automatically, and having it work 99% of
> the time ;)
> 
> 		jeff

You could go with Perl. All your Linux boxen and MacOSX folks should have a 
copy, and AS is pretty reliable as far as installing and running 99% of the 
time. :)


-Chris
8248

From: chagassou  <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: 
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote: 
>  
> > Did you try to do something in Java for multiplatform? (sure it's from 
> > being perfect...) 
 
ouch I've made a typo : it's far from being perfect(those crazy fingers have a life of their 
own! ... or pehaps it's my english ....:-))  
 
>  
>  Java isn't very multiplatform in many ways; try installing a JVM 
> into every version of windows, automatically, and having it work 99% of 
> the time ;) 
 
....I agree :-) and it's still slow. Anyway, doing an exe for all flavor of unix will be 
really a challenge ! good luck ... 
 
Thomas 
 
>  
>   jeff 
>  
> -- 
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro 
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean, 
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?" 
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8249

From: ksgordo  <ksg@t...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:06pm
Subject: A feature suggestion/request

 
Would it be possible to provide a preference that would control the
use of the V button? I almost never use it to choose a view, and
almost always use it to choose a recent file, which is a two-click
operation as things now stand. 

So if I had my druthers, the V button would bring up the list of
recent files as a default, with the option of going to views. A
preference, if this is possible, would allow people to choose whether
they want the current behaviour of the V button or "list recent files".
8250

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Exporting Bonsai to Shadow :use XML!

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Chris wrote:

> You could go with Perl. All your Linux boxen and MacOSX folks should
> have a copy, and AS is pretty reliable as far as installing and
> running 99% of the time. :)

	I don't really want to write a new app for every platform,
either. Perl is one of my favourite things, but I'm not intereste dinw
riting a desktop in perl, and then writing it again for Windows. Nor do I
want to put an embedded perl interpreter in a Windows app to run the perl
code. Nor do I want to rewrite it all in perl, when I've already got it in
cross platofrm C ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8251

From: jkrzyszt  <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 8:50pm
Subject: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
Comple of things/questions.

The Bonsi desktop is fully functional like to Palm app. Any ETA on
getting the ShadowPlan desktop on par with the Palm app? This is a
biggy for me as I will definitely be using both equally.

In Bonsi, each item has a type (Simple/ToDo/Task). This means the tree
has a slightly different visual feedback for each item. Does
ShadowPlan have this?

So far I am very divided, mostly do the the desktop component. I
really like Bonsi's, but ShadowPlan VFS support and tons more
functionality.

Jeffrey A. Krzysztow
8252

From: Heather  <heatheryou@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:21pm
Subject: Re: fatal exception error.

 
I was trying to solve this problem.  i upgraded to your newest 
release.  Still there.  So I deleted some recent programs. Still 
there.  Next Did a soft reset.  Still there.  Then I did a hard 
reset. and installed just shadow,  The problem was fixed.  Then I 
put my datebk5 files in and the problem recurred.  So I did hard 
another hard reset and instlled both datebk5 and shadow, fresh.  Now 
it seems to be working.  Phew.  I just thought you would like to 
know.  BTW it was happening every time I tapped on the add button.  
I couldnt find an exception.  I had been having some problems with 
my datebk5 database and it was probably connected, since after i put 
the old database back it started up again.  That was why I decided 
to start from scratch.  But boy is it alot of work.  I need to get 
backup buddy or something.


Heather
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Heather wrote:
> 
> > I get a fatal exception error and reset every time I click on 
add in 
> > the link manager screen.  I am just learning the program, so it 
is 
> > possible (or maybe even probable) I am doing something wrong.
> > 
> > I have version 2.6.0  with the link hack installed.  That is the 
> > only hack I currently have running, and havent yet figured out 
how 
> > to use it.  I did install and uninstall Launcher x the other 
day.  
> > Maybe that had something to do with it?  
> > 
> > BTW I am running an m515 and use Datebk5 for my todos and 
calendar.
> 
> 	Everything shoudl be fine; LX is okay, and LinkerHack is 
pertty
> stable. It is possible some very rare issues are still lurking in 
the link
> dialog.. I hear of a problem every few months, so its hard to nail 
since
> it happens so infrequently.
> 
> 	At what exact time does it occur? What steps to reproduce the
> problem?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8253

From: chagassou  <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 9:42pm
Subject: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...

 
Hi,

While Shadow is downloading, I've began to write an XML export from 
bonsai (and I must confess it's really a great feature ...)
And I have some concern about shadow XML (I've looked at your XML 
spec):
-Category??? where should I put it????
-date : you use palm epoch ... and bonsai unix epch :-(
-How do you define the type of an item (todo or task or with progress)

and some other details : Obviously the XML webpage is not up to date, 
do you have a more recent description?

Thomas
8254

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:01pm
Subject: Re: A feature suggestion/request

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, ksgordo wrote:

> Would it be possible to provide a preference that would control the
> use of the V button? I almost never use it to choose a view, and
> almost always use it to choose a recent file, which is a two-click
> operation as things now stand. 
> 
> So if I had my druthers, the V button would bring up the list of
> recent files as a default, with the option of going to views. A
> preference, if this is possible, would allow people to choose whether
> they want the current behaviour of the V button or "list recent files".

	You could bind Shadow to a hardkey on your device, and then the
Recent Files is only ever one tap away anyway :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8255

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 4, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:

> Comple of things/questions.
> 
> The Bonsi desktop is fully functional like to Palm app. Any ETA on
> getting the ShadowPlan desktop on par with the Palm app? This is a
> biggy for me as I will definitely be using both equally.

	Our desktop is growing over time; our handheld software is some of
the most advanced Palm OS software around, so getting a desktop across 3
platforms (Mac, Windows, Unix) to that level takes time. Can't be helped
:(

	The real question is.. what features are you *missing*? It does a
lot of what people need (not yet what they want ;). I'm expecting to add
filters soon, and then spend a month or two trying to make it look and act
more Shadow like. What are you looking for in particular?

> In Bonsi, each item has a type (Simple/ToDo/Task). This means the tree
> has a slightly different visual feedback for each item. Does
> ShadowPlan have this?

	It has much more than this. You can have a defalt view for the
list, and on an item by item basis. You can even define your own views for
the list or individual items, and classes of views across lists. You'll
not find an app more customizable than Shadow.. besides maybe DB5 :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8256

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:14am
Subject: Re: Re: fatal exception error.

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Heather wrote:

> I was trying to solve this problem.  i upgraded to your newest
> release.  Still there.  So I deleted some recent programs. Still
> there.  Next Did a soft reset.  Still there.  Then I did a hard reset.
> and installed just shadow, The problem was fixed.  Then I put my
> datebk5 files in and the problem recurred.  So I did hard another hard
> reset and instlled both datebk5 and shadow, fresh.  Now it seems to be
> working.  Phew.  I just thought you would like to know.  BTW it was
> happening every time I tapped on the add button.  I couldnt find an
> exception.  I had been having some problems with my datebk5 database
> and it was probably connected, since after i put the old database back
> it started up again.  That was why I decided to start from scratch.  
> But boy is it alot of work.  I need to get backup buddy or something.

	Yike! Quite an adventure :/

	BackupBuddy is pretty darned handy all right. I always pick and
choose which files to install after a reset... its amazing how much
"garbage" you end up with installed over time :)

	Glad your'e worked out,

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8257

From: jkrzyszt  <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:25am
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
> 
> > Comple of things/questions.
> > 
> > The Bonsi desktop is fully functional like to Palm app. Any ETA on
> > getting the ShadowPlan desktop on par with the Palm app? This is a
> > biggy for me as I will definitely be using both equally.
> 
> Our desktop is growing over time; our handheld software is some of
> the most advanced Palm OS software around, so getting a desktop across 3
> platforms (Mac, Windows, Unix) to that level takes time. Can't be helped
> :(
> 
> The real question is.. what features are you *missing*? It does a
> lot of what people need (not yet what they want ;). I'm expecting to add
> filters soon, and then spend a month or two trying to make it look
and act
> more Shadow like. What are you looking for in particular?

I am of coarse looking for it to be as functional as the Palm app. And
the Palm is (see below) is WAY AHEAD! 

An Most Recently Used (MRU) Shadow Outlines listing in the Main
Desktop would be really cool.

But the #1 thing for me right off would be to make the area from
left-to-right resizable. I'd like to be able to change how much screen
the List Panel vs the Detail Panel take up. #2 also be able to resize
the memo area. This is the place I plan on doing "most" of editing. I
wish to store hierarchical memos/notes.

> 
> > In Bonsi, each item has a type (Simple/ToDo/Task). This means the tree
> > has a slightly different visual feedback for each item. Does
> > ShadowPlan have this?
> 
> It has much more than this. You can have a defalt view for the
> list, and on an item by item basis. You can even define your own
views for
> the list or individual items, and classes of views across lists. You'll
> not find an app more customizable than Shadow.. besides maybe DB5 :)
> 

After re-reading the manual, I found this. The is a powerful program!
I am going to register it right now!

One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
8258

From: chagassou  <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 11:01am
Subject: Export Bonsai to Shadow : it works

 
Hi, 
  
I've made the XML bonsai template, it works. 
 
Thomas
8259

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:

> One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
> notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
> to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!

	4k is in pace for both the older units and performance. Allowing
larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions, once
a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
demand but traditionally its nottoo high on peoples lists. Instead I've
thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
such). We'll see.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8260

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: Export Bonsai to Shadow : it works

 
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:

> I've made the XML bonsai template, it works. 

	Keep! Is it something you can share?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8261

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...

 
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:

> While Shadow is downloading, I've began to write an XML export from 
> bonsai (and I must confess it's really a great feature ...)
> And I have some concern about shadow XML (I've looked at your XML 
> spec):

> -Category??? where should I put it????

	Category isn't part of a list. Its higher level than a list and is
kept in ShadCat with various statistics. You can't muck with it via XML,
sorry :(

> -date : you use palm epoch ... and bonsai unix epch :-(

	heh. Unix epoch is only good for dates 1970 and later
(traditionally, though you can use negative epochs to handle some earlier
dates on some systems) so I avoided it and used Palms native epoch. You
can just do some subtraction to change from one to the other.

> -How do you define the type of an item (todo or task or with progress)

	Set override to -1 for "take on the lists default view". If you
wish to override the item, you can set it to 0..n wher ethe nuber
corresponds to the same order as in List Prefs.. 0 for checklist, and up
from there.

> and some other details : Obviously the XML webpage is not up to date,
> do you have a more recent description?

	The XML webpage is fairly up to date, just using the old
formatting perhaps. It should have 95% of what you need. Feel free to ask
questions, or perhaps in shadow-developer.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8262

From: Curtis Clifton  <cclifton@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:04pm
Subject: Recurring Tasks

 
Scott,

> I also like this idea. THe other issue that keeps me using ToDoPlus is
> repeating and recurring tasks. If Shadow had a good way of handling 
> those,
> I could get rid of ToDoPlus completely. Just a suggestion.

Here's how I dealt with this in Shadow:

1. In View Manager, create a custom view.  I call it "Uncheckable".  
Include the Target Date column, and any others you like, but do not 
include the Checkbox.

2. For each recurring item in my Shadow lists, go into the details 
screen, and use the top-right drop-down menu to set the item's view to 
"Uncheckable".

3. Now when I complete a recurring task I don't accidentally mark it as 
complete, since there is no checkbox.  Instead, I click the target date 
column and reschedule the task to the next due date.

That's the basics of my system.  Changing the target of recurring items 
gives me the same "completion satisfaction" as tapping the checkbox.  
One disadvantage of this system is if you need to keep track of tasks 
accomplished.

Other tricks that I use are to keep separate parent items for daily 
tasks, weekly tasks, and irregular tasks.  And for the irregular tasks, 
I use the item's note field to record the recurrence pattern.  (Somehow 
I just can't remember that our materials for recycling have to be put 
curbside on the Wednesday before the 1st and 3rd Thursday of each 
month.)

-- Curt
8263

From: chagassou  <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:04pm
Subject: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: 
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote: 
>  
> > While Shadow is downloading, I've began to write an XML export from  
> > bonsai (and I must confess it's really a great feature ...) 
> > And I have some concern about shadow XML (I've looked at your XML  
> > spec): 
>  
> > -Category??? where should I put it???? 
>  
>  Category isn't part of a list. Its higher level than a list and is 
> kept in ShadCat with various statistics. You can't muck with it via XML, 
> sorry :( 
 
ok, not a big issue there 
 
>  
> > -date : you use palm epoch ... and bonsai unix epch :-( 
>  
>  heh. Unix epoch is only good for dates 1970 and later 
> (traditionally, though you can use negative epochs to handle some earlier 
> dates on some systems) so I avoided it and used Palms native epoch. You 
> can just do some subtraction to change from one to the other. 
 
hum sure, but the bonsai engine can't do that, what I could do is dumping the unix epoch, 
and after a little scripts could do the translation? 
 
 
>  
> > -How do you define the type of an item (todo or task or with progress) 
>  
>  Set override to -1 for "take on the lists default view". If you 
> wish to override the item, you can set it to 0..n wher ethe nuber 
> corresponds to the same order as in List Prefs.. 0 for checklist, and up 
> from there. 
 
ah ok, I'll try that 
 
>  
> > and some other details : Obviously the XML webpage is not up to date, 
> > do you have a more recent description? 
>  
>  The XML webpage is fairly up to date, just using the old 
> formatting perhaps. It should have 95% of what you need. Feel free to ask 
> questions, or perhaps in shadow-developer. 
 
 
Ok, the shadow desktop is more limites (sory :-) ) than I thought at first, so it's ok. 
My last issue is with special characters used by megawiki (you know this special "point" 
;-)) If there is one, the shadow desktop parsing fail. I read that you convert those char to 
special tags... do you have a utility to do the extraction automatically? 
 
 
This export is fairly simple to do, it only took me above 10 lines and 10mn of work, cause 
the bonsai engine is really flexible. 
 
I'll post it as soon as I can (I'm not at home for now and I on't have the file at work) 
 
Thomas
8264

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...

 
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:

> Ok, the shadow desktop is more limites (sory :-) ) than I thought at
> first, so it's ok.  My last issue is with special characters used by
> megawiki (you know this special "point"  ;-)) If there is one, the
> shadow desktop parsing fail. I read that you convert those char to
> special tags... do you have a utility to do the extraction
> automatically?

	Theres a few characters which annoyed my parsers and whatnot, so I
used special pseudo-xml things to do it which was a goofy short term fix
(that of course I've left in place for too long.. ahh such is life
:/)  Make yourself a megawiki thing on the handheld, set the Sync box, do
a sync, and see what it turns into on the desktop, and use that in your
php based emitter.

> This export is fairly simple to do, it only took me above 10 lines and
> 10mn of work, cause the bonsai engine is really flexible.

	Cool; good for them. I hope to do it too, but they've got a pretty
good desktop, one has to admit. (disclaimer: And they've got a half dozen
guys too :)

> I'll post it as soon as I can (I'm not at home for now and I on't have
> the file at work)

	Keen, I'll put it on the site perhaps, up to you.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8265

From: Jeffrey A. Krzysztow  <jkrzysztow@k...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: Memos (was Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi)

 
Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
> 
>>One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
>>notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
>>to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
> 
> 	4k is in place for both the older units and performance. Allowing
> larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
> we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions, once
> a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
> demand but traditionally its not too high on peoples lists. Instead I've
> thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
> attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
> such). We'll see.
> 

I already own peditPro. One of the biggest reasons I purchased Shadow is 
VFS support. You even sync to the card (very, very big selling point!)! 
If you link to peditPro, then these are in RAM instead of the card, not 
to mention inaccessable via the desktop (how do you handle any of the 
linking on the desktop?). So IMHO, not really a good solution. This 
would also make searching somewhat less useful as Shadow would not have 
the information readily available.

Could you at least do 32k (which is the maximum that the Palm controls 
can edit I believe)?

As yet an additional request regarding the Memo field. Structured data 
and forms. I would like to have the memo field have structured data 
(example instead of linking to an address, be able to store the 
equivalent structure in the Memo). Then use a user defined form to 
view/edit this structure instead of just a text edit. Of coarse the will 
require a form editor/designer. And it would be cool to be able to set 
the form per individual item. This will allow storing of all kinds of 
information without just having as POT (plain old text).

While, I do understand the speed issue, at what point do you stop trying 
to support the older hardware and start exploiting the newer hardware? 
I've been a developer for a long time, so I understand trying to support 
the existing customer base. But one of the primary business reasons for 
adding functionality to a program is to get NEW customers. At some point 
you just need to "cut bait" and move on. You currently have an emulator 
that ONLY supports OS 5. Why not OS 2 on up? This would get you the 
greatest customer base. At some point however, this is not feasable. You 
could go the route of DateBK. Supporting older versions with less 
functionality so that people without the latest and greatest hardware 
can be taken care of while at the same time moving forward for those who do.

Jeffrey A. Krzysztow
8266

From: Thomas Menguy  <tmenguy@i...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...

 
Ok, could you give me an address or something to allow me to post it?

Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 15:29
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try
to make it but...


> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
>
> > Ok, the shadow desktop is more limites (sory :-) ) than I thought at
> > first, so it's ok.  My last issue is with special characters used by
> > megawiki (you know this special "point"  ;-)) If there is one, the
> > shadow desktop parsing fail. I read that you convert those char to
> > special tags... do you have a utility to do the extraction
> > automatically?
>
> Theres a few characters which annoyed my parsers and whatnot, so I
> used special pseudo-xml things to do it which was a goofy short term fix
> (that of course I've left in place for too long.. ahh such is life
> :/)  Make yourself a megawiki thing on the handheld, set the Sync box, do
> a sync, and see what it turns into on the desktop, and use that in your
> php based emitter.
>
> > This export is fairly simple to do, it only took me above 10 lines and
> > 10mn of work, cause the bonsai engine is really flexible.
>
> Cool; good for them. I hope to do it too, but they've got a pretty
> good desktop, one has to admit. (disclaimer: And they've got a half dozen
> guys too :)
>
> > I'll post it as soon as I can (I'm not at home for now and I on't have
> > the file at work)
>
> Keen, I'll put it on the site perhaps, up to you.
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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8267

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 11:45pm
Subject: Filtering by tag and 'next step only'

 
Way back on September 27, Jeff wrote:

>  > Is it possible to build a custom filter that filters by tag and 
>the built-in
>>  'next step only' function?
>
>	Not yet.
>
>>  I'm trying to create a filter that will show the next steps on all my
>>  projects at a particular location that is defined by a tag. 'Next
>>  action only' is not included in the list of operations in the Filter
>>  Rule Detail dialog in the Custom Filter Detail screen.
>>
>>  Am I missing something?
>
>	Remind me in a little while :)
>
>		jeff

Here's the reminder. (Remember, I'm just doing what I'm told.)

It sure would be handy to be able to filter a list so that I get next 
steps only with a particular tag (or tags)...

Thanks as always,

-- 
Kevin Brown
Richmond Hill, Ontario
mailto:zephyr@t...
8268

From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:12am
Subject: Re: Filtering by tag and 'next step only'

 
> It sure would be handy to be able to filter a list so that I get 
next 
> steps only with a particular tag (or tags)...
> 

What an excellent idea!  I would like that also :)

Thanks for the great work Jeff

Rita
8269

From: frac6969  <frac6969@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 7:12am
Subject: Simple filter question

 
Sorry, this is probably a simple question, but I'm stumped and I 
tried searching with no results...

When I set and use a filter, so that all childs in a tree are 
filtered out, why is it that only sometimes the parent item will 
remain visible? The behavior is consistent, i.e. in one of my lists, 
when I filter for unchecked items, all the parents with no unchecked 
children will remain visible, so I can continue to add new items to 
the parents without having to remove the filter first, but in another 
list, some parents (but always the same ones) will disappear, so I 
have to remove the filter first (an annoyance) before I can add more 
items.

It's probably a setting somewhere, but I can't figure it out. Any 
help would be greatly appreciated.
8270

From: Werner  <werner_ne@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 9:24am
Subject: Glance window scrambled on handera

 
When tap and hold on an item to get the glance window the handera is 
totally scrambeled
8271

From: ebisuzaki_r  <ebisuzaki_r@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Error: Resizing record

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, ebisuzaki_r wrote:
> 
> > I'm getting the following message when I exit Shadow 2.6 "Fatal 
Error 
> > DataMgr.c, Line:5006, Resizing record".
> > 
> > I'm using a Visor Deluxe with OS 3.0.1H
> > 
> > I have the following hacks: Afterburner, Ben's Menus, 
CasetoggleHack, 
> > ClockPop, EasyLaunch, Phlegm Hack. After deactivating them all, I 
> > still get the same error message.
> 
> 	As a rule, never use PhlegmHack, which has many insidious
> bugs. Use McPhling, which is descended from PhlegmHack.


The warning about Phlegmhack is appreciated.

> 
> > I also have a Springboard and have operated Shadow 2.5 from the 
> > Springboard. Worked with no known problems.
> > 
> > Shadow 2.6 was working for about a week in regular memory. 
Perhaps 
> > for about 4 days in the Springboard memory before this present 
> > problem.
> 
> 	Does it happen when exitting from file selection screen, fro a
> list, from all lists or just one list?


The fatal error is occurring when exiting from the file selection 
screen and from 4 different lists (I assume the other lists will be 
the same.)


> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


Actually, I tried many things to get things going again: eg, I 
deleted my hacks, Shadowplan; reinstalled them; moved programs from 
the Springboard to regular memory. It still didn't work so I gave up 
thinking the problem is out of my depth.

Then after a day or two, I was surprised when it started working 
again. Unfortunately, I don't know why. I think 2 or 3 days after 
this it went back to the fatal error problem--it seems to have the 
exact same symptoms as before.


Many thanks for your help,
Ray
8272

From: gf_gollum  <graham_foster@m...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Highlighting - current line

 
When highlighting the current line, then only the first line of a 
wordwrapped line appears "reversed" i.e. readable. The rest of the 
lines appear as solid black. Why?
Sony Clie, High res mode unchecked, hi-res assist on. (Works OK with 
Hires mode checked ON (hi-res assist still on of course)
8273

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try to make it but...

 
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Thomas Menguy wrote:

> Ok, could you give me an address or something to allow me to post it?

	Send the template (or whatever it is) to me personally and I can
putit on the site. IF you like, upload it into the yahoogroups files
section.

		jeff

> 
> Thomas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 15:29
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Bonsai Export to XML in Shadow : I'll try
> to make it but...
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, chagassou wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, the shadow desktop is more limites (sory :-) ) than I thought at
> > > first, so it's ok.  My last issue is with special characters used by
> > > megawiki (you know this special "point"  ;-)) If there is one, the
> > > shadow desktop parsing fail. I read that you convert those char to
> > > special tags... do you have a utility to do the extraction
> > > automatically?
> >
> > Theres a few characters which annoyed my parsers and whatnot, so I
> > used special pseudo-xml things to do it which was a goofy short term fix
> > (that of course I've left in place for too long.. ahh such is life
> > :/)  Make yourself a megawiki thing on the handheld, set the Sync box, do
> > a sync, and see what it turns into on the desktop, and use that in your
> > php based emitter.
> >
> > > This export is fairly simple to do, it only took me above 10 lines and
> > > 10mn of work, cause the bonsai engine is really flexible.
> >
> > Cool; good for them. I hope to do it too, but they've got a pretty
> > good desktop, one has to admit. (disclaimer: And they've got a half dozen
> > guys too :)
> >
> > > I'll post it as soon as I can (I'm not at home for now and I on't have
> > > the file at work)
> >
> > Keen, I'll put it on the site perhaps, up to you.
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8274

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:53pm
Subject: Re: Simple filter question

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, frac6969 wrote:

> Sorry, this is probably a simple question, but I'm stumped and I 
> tried searching with no results...
> 
> When I set and use a filter, so that all childs in a tree are 
> filtered out, why is it that only sometimes the parent item will 
> remain visible? The behavior is consistent, i.e. in one of my lists, 
> when I filter for unchecked items, all the parents with no unchecked 
> children will remain visible, so I can continue to add new items to 
> the parents without having to remove the filter first, but in another 
> list, some parents (but always the same ones) will disappear, so I 
> have to remove the filter first (an annoyance) before I can add more 
> items.

	A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a matching
item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then all the
parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can actually get
to the unfinished child it matched.

	Is this what yuo mean?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8275

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:53pm
Subject: Re: Glance window scrambled on handera

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Werner wrote:

> When tap and hold on an item to get the glance window the handera is 
> totally scrambeled

	Yep. I'll be fixing soon. Should only occur in the highres mode,
right?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8276

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Fatal Error: Resizing record

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, ebisuzaki_r wrote:

> The fatal error is occurring when exiting from the file selection 
> screen and from 4 different lists (I assume the other lists will be 
> the same.)

	Very strange. I'll log it and try and meditate on it a bit.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8277

From: kcnaylor  <kencn@a...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 6:40pm
Subject: Re: Glance window scrambled on handera

 
Jeff,

Not to be a pest, but any chance you'll be able to fix the size of 
the C/F/V buttons in hires mode on the Handera in the near future as 
well?  

Ken
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Werner wrote:
> 
> > When tap and hold on an item to get the glance window the handera 
is 
> > totally scrambeled
> 
> 	Yep. I'll be fixing soon. Should only occur in the highres 
mode,
> right?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8278

From: ebisuzaki_r  <ebisuzaki_r@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 8:27pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Error: Resizing record

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, ebisuzaki_r wrote:
> 
> > The fatal error is occurring when exiting from the file selection 
> > screen and from 4 different lists (I assume the other lists will 
be the same.)
> 
> 	Very strange. I'll log it and try and meditate on it a bit.
> 
> 		jeff
> 


I decided to delete Shadow 2.6, Shadow Catagories & Shadow Views. 
Then I reinstalled Shadow 2.6. Now when I try to open up Shadow I get 
the following message:

Fatal Error  MemoryMgrNew.c, Line:3101, Nill ID

Hmm ... maybe I better quit trying to fix this.

          Ray
8279

From: Adam Coleman  <acoleman@w...>
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 1:45am
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
On 6 Dec 2002 09:41:27 -0000, <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi
>
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:
>
>> One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
>> notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
>> to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
>
> 	4k is in pace for both the older units and performance. Allowing
> larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
> we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions, once
> a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
> demand but traditionally its nottoo high on peoples lists. Instead I've
> thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
> attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
> such). We'll see.
>
> 		jeff

Jeff,

Along those lines I have thought it would be nice to be able to link an 
item in Shadow to a doc file. Say for example the to-do item is "write 
status report". It would be nice if that item could be linked to the status 
report I am writing as a doc file in Wordsmith, QED, or other editor. While 
longer memos might be handy, I agree with you that it wouldn't be worth 
slowing down the performance to imbed a 32k memo in the shadow file. The 
link to the doc file would get around this. My suspicion however is that 
launching the editor app AND loading the linked file may be tricky, since I 
don't think the Palm OS links doc files with an app automatically.

Adam Coleman
acoleman@w...
8280

From: Jeff & Karen Resener  <karjar@s...>
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 3:54am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 729

 
Yes, yes. yes.,,,and please do!  ;)
jr


Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:15:48 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, jkrzyszt wrote:


>> One feature request for both Palm and Desktop. I would like to do long
>> notes, so 4k can get a little crampped, any change of increasing this
>> to at least 32k but basically any size would be great!
>  
>

	4k is in pace for both the older units and performance. Allowing
larger notes seriously impacts Shadow performance (and one of the things
we've strived for always is very fast performance in all conditions, once
a file is opened :) Its something I may look into if it becomes high
demand but traditionally its nottoo high on peoples lists. Instead I've
thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you could
attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
such). We'll see.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8281

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2002 8:35am
Subject: Poll results for shadow-discuss

 
The following shadow-discuss poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Should the version number of the desktop
application and conduit be the same as
the handheld application? (ie: Should
the Shadow Desktop version in Shadow 2.6
be numbered 2.6? Right now it is 1.2.5
for instance.)   Consider: If we update
the handheld appliaction to 2.7.0, but
no changes are made to the desktop,
should it regardless be released as
version 2.7.0 as well? (you may think
thatit has been updated when it has
not). Furthermore, it would mean jumping
from desktop 1.2.5 to 2.7, so at the
beginning you would think it has jumped,
too. However, I am worried that people
are confused that we have conduit 2.0,
handheld 2.6, and desktop 1.2.5. What do
yuo think? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- All components should use the same version number, so I know they're all up to date, 17 votes, 60.71%  
- All applications should increase versions only as they improve feature or bug-wise, 11 votes, 39.29%  



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8282

From: scarlet_vx scarlet_vx@y...  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 2:52am
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8 - font/theme preferences sticking - FIXED

 
Jeff,
I did not own Launcher X but attempted something similar through 
McFile, and after losing my categories and experiencing fatal resets 
because of this, to make a long story short I ended up deleting 
everything Shadow on my handheld.

I'm sure you will be happy to hear that when I reloaded Shadow the 
fonts and themes work as you designed.  I lost a few simple outlines 
I was not backing up to the desktop, but I was able to make notes on 
them before I deleted Shadow and I am not at all dissatisfied with 
this experience.

Anyone who experiences a problem that might make it necessary to 
delete Shadow on the PDA should know that it is very, very painless 
to salvage any outlines you have synchronized to the Shadow Desktop.

Thanks, Jeff.  It is nice not to have to reset the font size every 
time I use the program.  I would not have attempted a reload without 
your suggestion.

Sharon

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:
> 
> > I was a very old user on my Palm Vx but I started within the year 
> > with a newer version on my Clie.  But let's suppose something did 
> > leak over from the Palm.  How do I get rid of it/start over 
without 
> > losing everything?  Thanks.
> > 
> > My problems seem to be limited to fonts and themes.
> 
> 	See this makes nearly no sense, but we'll roll with it :)
> 
> 	If you have a smart launcher, it can delete prefs without 
deleting
> the application. For instance.. Launcher X lets you drag an pp to 
the
> trashcan and then delete any of the app,the prefs, or the
> datafiles. Unchecking the data and app, it just removes the prefs. 
Then
> Shadow will be started fresh and you'll need to set your global 
settings
> and reg-code again.. but it shoudl take.
> 
> 	I know its a bit of a step. IF you do it, let me know how it 
goes.
> 
> 		jeff
8283

From: scarlet_vx scarlet_vx@y...  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:05am
Subject: Re: Highlighting - current line

 
This was a new phenomenon for me with 2.6.9  However, if you set your 
list preference to col-bg it ought to go away.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gf_gollum" 
<graham_foster@m...> wrote:
> When highlighting the current line, then only the first line of a 
> wordwrapped line appears "reversed" i.e. readable. The rest of the 
> lines appear as solid black. Why?
> Sony Clie, High res mode unchecked, hi-res assist on. (Works OK 
with 
> Hires mode checked ON (hi-res assist still on of course)
8284

From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: A general question, Shadow-related

 
My trusty Prism (my 3rd, don't ask) is dying a slow death so I've begun thinking about my next PalmPowered-device. For me it's come down to the latest Treo, the Tungsten T or the Clie NX70V - the frontrunner. 

Some questions about the Clie -
1) How much faster would you say Shadow runs on it?
2) Does it allow vibrating alarms?
3) How well can you see the screen in sunlight?
4) If you've ever needed to use Sony Support, how good is it?
5) Are there any plans for a Stowaway keyboard that works with it? I have one for the Prism and I love it. The idea that it will lay unused when I get my next handheld aggravates me but there are no adapters to allow me to use it with a Clie/Palm/non-Visor (argh!).

thanks

Jacob

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8285

From: frac6969 frac6969@y...  <frac6969@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: Re: Simple filter question

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a 
matching
> item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then all 
the
> parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can 
actually get
> to the unfinished child it matched.
> 
> 	Is this what yuo mean?

Yes, but sometimes the parent will show even if the filter has 
removed all the children, and sometimes not.

Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show 
all parents at all times.
8286

From: Bob Noe  <bnoe@c...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple filter question

 
I am not sure I have seen a parent that doesn't match the filter show ever
so I can't speak to that.

But if you always want first level parents to show then you can do that with
a filter by including indent level in your filter definition.

Bob
----- Original Message -----
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To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:32 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Simple filter question


> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> wrote:
> >
> > A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a
> matching
> > item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then all
> the
> > parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can
> actually get
> > to the unfinished child it matched.
> >
> > Is this what yuo mean?
>
> Yes, but sometimes the parent will show even if the filter has
> removed all the children, and sometimes not.
>
> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show
> all parents at all times.
>
>
>
>
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8287

From: Griff keith@t...  <keith@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:02pm
Subject: Re: A general question, Shadow-related

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob Share" <jacob@s...> 
wrote: 

> Some questions about the Clie -
> 1) How much faster would you say Shadow runs on it?
> 2) Does it allow vibrating alarms?

Cant's say with #1, I have the NR70v.  It does not support vibrating 
alarms.

> 3) How well can you see the screen in sunlight?

My NR70v can get a bit washed out in direct sunlight, still readable, 
but not great. 

> 4) If you've ever needed to use Sony Support, how good is it?
> 5) Are there any plans for a Stowaway keyboard that works with it? 
I have one for the Prism and I love it. The idea that it will lay 
unused when I get my next handheld aggravates me but there are no 
adapters to allow me to use it with a Clie/Palm/non-Visor (argh!).
> 

I've heard Sony Support is super, not had to deal with them myself.  
There is a portable keyboard out, not sure if it's stow-away, but it 
is foldable.
> thanks
> 
> Jacob
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
8288

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Sun Dec 8, 2002 7:51pm
Subject: Re: A general question, Shadow-related

 
Quoting Jacob Share <jacob@s...>:

> My trusty Prism (my 3rd, don't ask) is dying a slow death so I've begun
> thinking about my next PalmPowered-device. For me it's come down to the
> latest Treo, the Tungsten T or the Clie NX70V - the frontrunner. 

Get the Tungsten!!  If you want more "real world" info, read the review on my 
site.

Answering the questions below with personal experience on the Tungsten and its 
predecessor, the Slie NR70.

> Some questions about the Clie -
> 1) How much faster would you say Shadow runs on it?

On the Tungsten, Shadow is lightning fast. It really will spoil you compared 
to the Prism, trust me.

> 2) Does it allow vibrating alarms?

No, but the Tungsten does. No Clie has ever had the vibrating alarm, to my 
knowledge.

> 3) How well can you see the screen in sunlight?

The Tungsten screen is great, though you do have to turn up the backlight if 
you're in the sun. Normally I have the light very low on the scale, to improve 
battery life and also because I don't like glaringly bright screens in 
general. My PC screen brightness is turned way down too.

> 4) If you've ever needed to use Sony Support, how good is it?

Sony is generally considered to have the WORST support in the handheld 
industry. The only nice thing (depending on how you look at it) is that they 
repair YOUR unit, instead of sending a refurb replacement. But you will likely 
be without your device for WEEKS while they fix it. Just check the message 
boards at ClieSource or the two main Clie YahooGroups (nxt's clie club & I 
can't remember the other, but you can tell by number of members which one is 
the most popular) and you'll hear all sorts of horror stories.

> 5) Are there any plans for a Stowaway keyboard that works with it? I have one
> for the Prism and I love it. The idea that it will lay unused when I get my
> next handheld aggravates me but there are no adapters to allow me to use it
> with a Clie/Palm/non-Visor (argh!).
 
I believe there is one available now-- the T and NR series Clies use the same 
connector, and I *think* the NX does as well, but don't quote me on that. The 
thing is, the NX is so long that it would be hard to use with a keyboard 
because it would really tend to overbalance unless you put it in tablet mode. 
I generally left my NR70 in tablet mode all the time, mainly because I got so 
tired of opening and closing it all the time. Plus there were some reports of 
problems with the hinge either squeaking or loosening up badly over a 
relatively short period of time.

Unelss you need wireless internet access (which you can get with the MX with 
an optional accessory) I'd get the Tungsten. You can always use a cable or 
Bluetooth with your cell phone, and that leaves Virtual Graffiti as the only 
real positive that the Tungsten doesn't have. And since not very many programs 
support it, especially with the broken APIs in OS5 that Sony doesn't plan to 
fix, it isn't a real advantage at all. And don't get me started on the awful 
MS slot defects in the NR series, or the almost unusable keyboard either-- I 
hope they fixed those problems in the NX line.

Jen
--
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
8289

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 2:11am
Subject: Re: How about a secondary text field

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
>I'm thinking along the lines of functgions.. like "@SUM" in the
> parent field and he gets the sum of all his children's misc-
fields.. or
> something.

This I like.
8290

From: jledesma28 jledesma28@y...  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 4:22am
Subject: Shadow Desktop(Icon) and it appearing in the Palm Desktop

 
Hi Jeff, are you planning to make the Shadow icon appear in the the 
Palm Desktop so we can launch Shadow thru the Palm Desktop or 
Agendus desktop. TIA and if so more or less when. thanks

best regards,

jl
8291

From: mladensk susan@a...  <susan@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: Managing lists

 
I am trying out Shadowplan but I am a bit confused on how to manage 
all these lists.  For example, I have a business and have a number 
of projects on the go.  Plus I have general business stuff to do not 
related to any one project.  I also have personal things that need 
to be done.  I am just getting this set up but I now have at least 4 
lists  (one personal plus 1 biz plus 2 projects) and can't 
understand how I can manage these.  Right now I have to go into each 
list to see what needs to be done but what I want is to have a 
single view of all my tasks and then I want to be able pick certain 
ones to link up to Datebook5.  The only way I can think to do this 
is to do 1 big list but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the 
parent child thing?  Any insight from someone further along this 
path than I is greatly appreciated.

Susan
8292

From: frac6969 frac6969@y...  <frac6969@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Simple filter question

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "frac6969 <frac6969@y...>" 
<frac6969@y...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 	A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a 
> matching
> > item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then 
all 
> the
> > parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can 
> actually get
> > to the unfinished child it matched.
> > 
> > 	Is this what yuo mean?
> 
> Yes, but sometimes the parent will show even if the filter has 
> removed all the children, and sometimes not.
> 
> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show 
> all parents at all times.

I figured out the problem at last... turned out for some reason 
eventhough I have "suppress autocheck" disabled it's still enabled 
only for some items in some lists. So when I checked off all the 
children items, the parent item got automatically checked, that's why 
they disappear from the filter view.

I was confused because I like to have all the parent headings showing 
at all times, so I configured them to not show a checkbox, and I 
didn't realize the reason they disappeared is because they got 
automatically checked.

So... fixed the problem by going into each list and toggled 
the "supress autocheck" option off and on, and everything is fine now.
8293

From: grant_robertson_66046 grantr@s...  <grantr@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 5:13pm
Subject: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
>Instead I've
> thought it might be cool to link to PEdit or the like, so that you 
could
> attach pedit notes toShadow items (like you can with addresses, and
> such). We'll see.

This sounds like a much better plan. Just add a pref for selecting 
the note editor like you do for the Address Book and ToDo list. If 
you do allow linking to an outside editor then it would be really 
important to make sure one could link to files on a memory card. The 
total size of all the files could quickly fill up a standard Palm's 
RAM.
8295

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Glance window scrambled on handera

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, kcnaylor wrote:

> Not to be a pest, but any chance you'll be able to fix the size of 
> the C/F/V buttons in hires mode on the Handera in the near future as 
> well?  

	I wasn't really planning it, but I'll take a look. I guess they
must be tiny on Handera eh?

		jeff

> 
> Ken
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Werner wrote:
> > 
> > > When tap and hold on an item to get the glance window the handera 
> is 
> > > totally scrambeled
> > 
> > 	Yep. I'll be fixing soon. Should only occur in the highres 
> mode,
> > right?
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8296

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Fatal Error: Resizing record

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, ebisuzaki_r wrote:

> > > The fatal error is occurring when exiting from the file selection 
> > > screen and from 4 different lists (I assume the other lists will 
> be the same.)
> > 
> > 	Very strange. I'll log it and try and meditate on it a bit.
> 
> I decided to delete Shadow 2.6, Shadow Catagories & Shadow Views. 
> Then I reinstalled Shadow 2.6. Now when I try to open up Shadow I get 
> the following message:
> 
> Fatal Error  MemoryMgrNew.c, Line:3101, Nill ID
> 
> Hmm ... maybe I better quit trying to fix this.

	Did you recently change units or the like? Perhaps you've got "bad
prefs".. if your launcher is smart, it'll ask you (or automatically)
delete prefs when you delete Shadow, and that (and the above) woudl have
to fix virtually everything.

	What about when Hacks are disabled? Perhaps you've loaded a lot of
hacks, or large ones, and used up too much memory? (Shadow needs a fair
amount to operate)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8297

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:21pm
Subject: Re: Highlighting - current line

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, gf_gollum wrote:

> When highlighting the current line, then only the first line of a 
> wordwrapped line appears "reversed" i.e. readable. The rest of the 
> lines appear as solid black. Why?

	Bug in the alpha :)

> Sony Clie, High res mode unchecked, hi-res assist on. (Works OK with
> Hires mode checked ON (hi-res assist still on of course)

	Ahh, so a problem with high res assist mode on the new alpha? I'll
check.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8298

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Evaluating ShadowPlan and Bonsi

 
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Adam Coleman wrote:

> Along those lines I have thought it would be nice to be able to link
> an item in Shadow to a doc file. Say for example the to-do item is
> "write status report". It would be nice if that item could be linked
> to the status report I am writing as a doc file in Wordsmith, QED, or
> other editor. While longer memos might be handy, I agree with you that
> it wouldn't be worth slowing down the performance to imbed a 32k memo
> in the shadow file. The link to the doc file would get around this. My
> suspicion however is that launching the editor app AND loading the
> linked file may be tricky, since I don't think the Palm OS links doc
> files with an app automatically.

	This was always my intention, and to do it along the same lines as
the other link types; ie: You'd select a DOC program, and then we'd use it
for all future DOC launches. Yuo'd link to the DOc file, and Shadow would
launch the appropriate app and tell it to go to that file. It shoudl work
okay.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8299

From: pfieldho_99 pfieldho_99@y...  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:35pm
Subject: Re: Highlighting - current line

 
> > When highlighting the current line, then only the first line of a 
> > wordwrapped line appears "reversed" i.e. readable. The rest of 
the 
> > lines appear as solid black. Why?
> 
> 	Bug in the alpha :)
> 
> > Sony Clie, High res mode unchecked, hi-res assist on. (Works OK 
with
> > Hires mode checked ON (hi-res assist still on of course)
> 
> 	Ahh, so a problem with high res assist mode on the new alpha? 
I'll
> check.
> 
> 		jeff
>
Jeff,
I believe this may not be just a high-res problem. See my message 
#8236 - Shadow 2.6.9a occurences. I mentioned this problem back then, 
I haven't seen any others mention my other reported "bug".
I have Handspring Prism.

Paul
8300

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:37pm
Subject: Re: A general question, Shadow-related

 
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Jacob Share wrote:

> My trusty Prism (my 3rd, don't ask) is dying a slow death so I've
> begun thinking about my next PalmPowered-device. For me it's come down
> to the latest Treo, the Tungsten T or the Clie NX70V - the
> frontrunner.
> 
> Some questions about the Clie -

> 1) How much faster would you say Shadow runs on it?

	Than your current unit or the T|T? The Clie's are 200MHz and the
T|T is 140MHz. Thst means they both run lijke lightnin, but when it comes
down to raw processing power, the Clie is about 20% faster. ut you barely
ever see the raw processing power.. few apps use it. They're mostly
"interface locked" (waiting for input from you) so are doing zero anyway
:)

> 2) Does it allow vibrating alarms?

	The T|T does. The Clie does not. Alarms aer via the datebook
(Shadow ilnks to datebook, for instance). I don't have a NX mind you, but
I'm fairly certain of this.

> 3) How well can you see the screen in sunlight?

	The T|T is excellent outside. IT hink the Clie is as well, likely,
based on previous Clies.

> 5) Are there any plans for a Stowaway keyboard that works with it? I
> have one for the Prism and I love it. The idea that it will lay unused
> when I get my next handheld aggravates me but there are no adapters to
> allow me to use it with a Clie/Palm/non-Visor (argh!).

	There have been smoe adapters for keyboards, but they tend to be
vary screwy (an extra cable) so are annoying. The T|T has a folding
keyboard (the old palm one works fine) and the new ultra-thin (from the
same company really).

	I really like the TT. Friends of mine have the N and really love
it. Theyr'e both equally good units and you'll be happy with either. The
TT is smaller and has bluetooth (a big win for me, as I want small and
light). The NX are tally and bigger, but have the built in multimedia
(like the video camera, larger screen for showing pics and movies, built
in mp3 so no 3rd party needed, etc).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
8301

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 9, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple filter question

 
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, frac6969 <frac6969@y...> wrote:

> > 	A filter will always show the necessary parents to show a 
> matching
> > item. So if you're filtering to show unfinished children, then all 
> the
> > parents with unfinished children will show, so that you can 
> actually get
> > to the unfinished child it matched.
> > 
> > 	Is this what yuo mean?
> 
> Yes, but sometimes the parent will show even if the filter has 
> removed all the children, and sometimes not.

	That shouldn't occur unless the parent matches the filter. If
you've got a file that always does it, let me know.

> Actually, can this be made into an option? It would be nice to show
> all parents at all times.

	Doesn't make much sense.. ie: How many levels of parents? To make
it useful it would have to be paramaterizable, and thats too much work for
soemthing very few would ever use.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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