From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:56am
Subject: Wow !! !Re: Colour themes..

Jeff, it looks bad !!!  :) Is that the Thanksgiving present for the 
Shadow community ?


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	For your info, you'll soon have a beta that has colour theme
> support. I made a quick screenshot for the alpha group, but 
thought I'd
> tease you all with it anyway. Its not the prettiest colour 
selections (I'm
> dead tired and hurrying), but I thought you'd be amused 
nonetheless)
> 
> http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/screenshots/theme1.PNG
> 
> 	Yep, I'll be making myself some nice Christmas colours 
soon.. and
> of course you'll have this version very soon too :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: gf_gollum  <graham_foster@m...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:16am
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan and WordComplete

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Laurie Leonard <lleonard@m...> wrote:
> In regards to ShadowPlan "swallowing" the first letter of a word, 
causing
> WordComplete to begin options with the second letter--this can be 
avoided if
....
if you switch to TextPlus this problem doesn't occur. Textplus is 
looking better all the time.
Regards
Graham

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:08pm
Subject: Re: Wow !! !Re: Colour themes..

On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Jeff, it looks bad !!!  :) Is that the Thanksgiving present for the 
> Shadow community ?

	Oh yeah, thats this weekend eh?

	I'll see if I can get a beta this week for you :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Geoff Wichert  <geoff.wichert@u...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: hiding checked items?

Hi folks,
I'm a relative newbie to Shadow, but I really like the program, especially 
with recent desktop improvements. Discovered you all while doing some 
online research about David Allen's "Getting Things Done," but we won't go 
into that. Let's just say I'm very happy to have found Shadow.

I have a fairly simple question. Is it possible to have checked items 
disappear from view, as they do (or can) in the Palm ToDo app? I realize 
there are all kinds of issues once you start working in a multi-tiered 
environment, which is why Shadow is so cautious/picky about deleting 
anything (whether parents or children). But I also find it awkward to have 
all those checked items cluttering my lists, and there's no shortcut/quick 
method of getting rid of them apart from the menu (and no command shortcut 
- I often use my Palm keyboard).

Any advice / help?

Thanks, and great program!
Geoff

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: Re: hiding checked items?

> I have a fairly simple question. Is it possible to have checked
> items disappear from view, as they do (or can) in the Palm ToDo
> app?

Yes it is. Pick the menu option Tools > Manage Filters, choose Built-
in, then Unchecked items and tap Done. Presto, checked items are now 
hidden.

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: Re: hiding checked items?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Roy van der Woning" 
<rvanderwoning@y...> wrote:
> > I have a fairly simple question. Is it possible to have checked
> > items disappear from view, as they do (or can) in the Palm ToDo
> > app?
> 
> Yes it is. Pick the menu option Tools > Manage Filters, choose
> Built-in, then Unchecked items and tap Done. Presto, checked
> items are now hidden.

Made a little mistake there: you should tap Apply instead of Done to 
activate the filter.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:08pm
Subject: Re: hiding checked items?

On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Geoff Wichert wrote:

> I'm a relative newbie to Shadow, but I really like the program,
> especially with recent desktop improvements. Discovered you all while
> doing some online research about David Allen's "Getting Things Done,"
> but we won't go into that. Let's just say I'm very happy to have found
> Shadow.

	Welcome to the forum :)

> I have a fairly simple question. Is it possible to have checked items
> disappear from view, as they do (or can) in the Palm ToDo app? I

	Sure thing; you're looking for Filters, which are available under
the List pulldown menu as well as the [F] top-right popmenu. Just pull up
the Filter Manager and find the filter you like and hit "Apply". There is
a built-in filter for checked items (to show or hide them), and you can
construct your own filters to do this and other things (though
constructing filters is an advanced topic.. see the Reference Guide for
details).

> realize there are all kinds of issues once you start working in a
> multi-tiered environment, which is why Shadow is so cautious/picky
> about deleting anything (whether parents or children). But I also find
> it awkward to have all those checked items cluttering my lists, and
> there's no shortcut/quick method of getting rid of them apart from the
> menu (and no command shortcut - I often use my Palm keyboard).

	Once you get the hang of filters, they're a snap; its two taps to
disable or re-enable the filter, so its pretty easily done. (ie: Using the
[F] top right popmenu.. there is a Remove Filter option if a filter is
active, and after doing that you can re-enable the last filter just as
easily from the same place)

	Cheers!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:49pm
Subject: Re: hiding checked items?

> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Roy van der Woning" 
> <rvanderwoning@y...> wrote:
> > > I have a fairly simple question. Is it possible to have checked
> > > items disappear from view, as they do (or can) in the Palm ToDo
> > > app?
> > 
> > Yes it is. Pick the menu option Tools > Manage Filters, choose
> > Built-in, then Unchecked items and tap Done. Presto, checked
> > items are now hidden.
> 
> Made a little mistake there: you should tap Apply instead of Done 
to 
> activate the filter.

Ah ha! Jeff, you see that!!! I'm not the only one who intuitively 
goes to the wrong place to activate a filter. I still say "Apply" 
should be in the place that is now occupied by "Done" and "cancel" 
should replace "done" functionality and go to the right of apply. 
Just a minor issue actually but one that hangs me up almost every 
time! (Though I've been trying to reprogram my brain on this one)

Paul

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 9:03pm
Subject: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

Jeff,
The different numbering system is just a little disconcerting. I 
don't fell that it is necessary to address. I don't have a particular 
answer if you decided to do something, however if you did I don't 
know that the best answer is listed in the poll. You're a creative 
kind of guy -- maybe there's something not currently done by any 
other app that would work. I think what would be ideal is something 
that allows the user to feel confident about having the latest 
versions of each component (i.e. HH, DT, conduit) without extensive 
searching on the web site. In other words something, that is clear 
from the #ing shown in the Help>About or displayed while the conduit 
is doing it's thing. Something that ties each component together, 
displays the overall evolution of ShadowPlan AND the evolution of 
each of the components too.
Maybe a tall order, I don't know. Again, I don't think it's necessary 
to address.

Paul

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> versions of each component (i.e. HH, DT, conduit) without extensive 
> searching on the web site. In other words something, that is clear 
> from the #ing shown in the Help>About or displayed while the conduit 
> is doing it's thing. Something that ties each component together, 
> displays the overall evolution of ShadowPlan AND the evolution of 
> each of the components too.
> Maybe a tall order, I don't know. Again, I don't think it's necessary 
> to address.

	Its bugged a couple of people, so if its an easy fix, we'll take
it :)

	I did think about somethign in the About menu or dekstop and
handheld which says the versions its "rated for"; ie: Handheld 2.6 would
say "Rated for desktop 1.2.5" and vice versa. But this is something that
would bound to be forgotten to update when I assemble distributions.. so I
hate building in things I know I'll forget sometime ;)

	We'll see. We'll come up with something :)

	Really, I just need to add a function to the desktop so it can
check for updates and install whatever is newer. Then it wouldn't matter..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Adam Smyth  <as265@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:02am
Subject: Re: Re: hiding checked items?

I agree.  I do that over and over and over again. Obviously the button is in
the wrong place or wrongly titled.

----- Original Message -----
From: pfieldho_99
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: hiding checked items?

[snip]

Ah ha! Jeff, you see that!!! I'm not the only one who intuitively
goes to the wrong place to activate a filter. I still say "Apply"
should be in the place that is now occupied by "Done" and "cancel"
should replace "done" functionality and go to the right of apply.
Just a minor issue actually but one that hangs me up almost every
time! (Though I've been trying to reprogram my brain on this one)

From: Adam Smyth  <as265@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:03am
Subject: Re: Wow !! !Re: Colour themes..

Yup - seems like it's a "turkey" for the person complained about it?

~~Snicker~~

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jeff Mitchell 
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Wow !! !Re: Colour themes..


On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Jeff, it looks bad !!!  :) Is that the Thanksgiving present for the 
> Shadow community ?

      Oh yeah, thats this weekend eh?

      I'll see if I can get a beta this week for you :)

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:37am
Subject: Wow !! !Re: Colour themes..

Sweet!!!


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > Jeff, it looks bad !!!  :) Is that the Thanksgiving present for 
the 
> > Shadow community ?
> 
> 	Oh yeah, thats this weekend eh?
> 
> 	I'll see if I can get a beta this week for you :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 0:31pm
Subject: Unlinking checked items

One of the things I use Shadow for is project management (go figure). Those lists are my 'always link new items to ToDo' lists, this way I can follow via the Palm Desktop. Once an item is completed and checked, I'm not interested in deleting it on Shadow but I am interested in it no longer appearing on the Palm Desktop. For this to happen I would need to sever the link every time an item is completed. Would it be possible to set a list pref 'Delete ToDo Link on checking' or something of the sort? Right now I need to Filter Checked Items, switch Views to Flat and then untap all those little Ts until I go crazy :) Which isn't so bad, but things could be even better.

thanks

Jacob

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:34pm
Subject: Re: hiding checked items?

Oops. What did I start?

Sorry Jeff, just tried to help out someone. :)

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Adam Smyth" <as265@y...> wrote:
> I agree.  I do that over and over and over again. Obviously the
> button is in the wrong place or wrongly titled.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pfieldho_99
> To: shadow-discuss@y...
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: hiding checked items?
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Ah ha! Jeff, you see that!!! I'm not the only one who intuitively
> goes to the wrong place to activate a filter. I still say "Apply"
> should be in the place that is now occupied by "Done" and "cancel"
> should replace "done" functionality and go to the right of apply.
> Just a minor issue actually but one that hangs me up almost every
> time! (Though I've been trying to reprogram my brain on this one)

From: kcnaylor  <kencn@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan 2.6.7 Beta Released!

Jeff,

I played around with FontBucket a little, and found that I could put 
the program file on my CF card using Handera's Autocard.  With no 
actual fonts installed, I still get all the Handera fonts in Shadow -
and effectively no hit to my memory.  Then, since I was really just 
interested in smaller fonts for Shadow, I deleted all the FontBucket 
fonts except 4 (Arial 10 and 11 point, standard and bold).  This 
gave me everything I needed font support for and my Fontbucket 
database (which must reside in RAM) is only 15k. 

Long way of saying, time spent adding built-in support for the 
Handera fonts is probably time spent better elsewhere - like making 
the C/F/V buttons bigger in hi res :-)

Now that I can use these little fonts, I think there's room for that 
miscellaneous field we've talked about...

Thanks again.  I fear support for the Handera API will fade out 
given their device's sales volume and the move to OS5 so I really 
appreciate your commitment to what is probably a pretty small part 
of your user base.
Ken

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, kcnaylor wrote:
> 
> > Love the Handera support in 2.6.7.  It would be nice if you could
> > support all the native Handera fonts without using Font Bucket.  
> > Actually Font Bucket works very well in hires but Shadow is the 
only
> > app I have that uses it so it would be nice to not carry around 
the
> > extra 1-200k of memory.
> 
> 	Its a little tricky, but we'll see.
> 
> > One change I really would like to see is to scale the C/F/V menu
> > buttons up when in hires so that they remain the same size on the
> > screen as they are in lores.  They're small enough to begin with 
and
> > in hires they get extremely tough to select.
> 
> 	yeah; I have to special case it for the Handera :/ I'm a 
little
> bit tied up right now, but I'll try and nail this a bit later.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:18pm
Subject: Jeff do you have a Paypal acct ?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiding checked items?

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Roy van der Woning wrote:

> Oops. What did I start?

	hehe :) I'm too good to everyone.. now they know they can complain
;)

> Sorry Jeff, just tried to help out someone. :)

	I'd never complain. Every time someone answers an email so I don't
have to, I get another minute of devo time ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: Re: Jeff do you have a Paypal acct ?

No. I don't trust paypal .. too many bad stories about them.

	Why? If you've got donations send them direct ;) If you want to
buy and benefit me the most, use my webstore.. its got only about 10%
overhead cost, which is pretty good.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: scarlet_vx  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:06pm
Subject: Multiple highlights?

Hi, Jeff.  Some time ago you indicated you'd be working on 
highlighting eventually.  At that time I asked about background color 
(instead of just changing the type color).  I have a new question.  
Is it or will it ever be possible to invoke more than one reasons to 
highlight at the same time, such as red for overdue, another color 
for radar, etc.?  Thanks for your consideration.

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 1:02am
Subject: Re: Unlinking checked items

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Jacob Share" <jacob@s...> wrote:
> One of the things I use Shadow for is project management (go
figure). Those lists are my 'always link new items to ToDo' lists,
this way I can follow via the Palm Desktop. Once an item is completed
and checked, I'm not interested in deleting it on Shadow but I am
interested in it no longer appearing on the Palm Desktop. For this to
happen I would need to sever the link every time an item is completed.
Would it be possible to set a list pref 'Delete ToDo Link on checking'
or something of the sort? Right now I need to Filter Checked Items,
switch Views to Flat and then untap all those little Ts until I go
crazy :) Which isn't so bad, but things could be even better.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Jacob
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jacob,

I don't know of any direct way to do this.  But until Jeff puts
everything anyone ever wanted into Shadow... ;)

I have a "work-around" for this.  Archive your completed ToDos from
the standard database.  I do this manually in Outlook, just sort,
filter, highlight and move to a separate "pst" file I have for the
purpose.  I'm assuming there is a parallel in the Palm DT.

This effectively deletes the ToDos from the database.  When you sync
next, Shadow sees these as broken links and will clean them up for
you.

One caveat.  Be sure you don't have any broken links before you purge,
otherwise you'll let Shadow clean links that should have been
repaired.

Ken

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 2:11am
Subject: Re: Multiple highlights?

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:

> Hi, Jeff.  Some time ago you indicated you'd be working on
> highlighting eventually.  At that time I asked about background color
> (instead of just changing the type color).  I have a new question.  
> Is it or will it ever be possible to invoke more than one reasons to
> highlight at the same time, such as red for overdue, another color for
> radar, etc.?  Thanks for your consideration.

	Maybe. I've not decided yet. I first need to allow custom filters
to be used as hilight filters, and then we'll see.. its mostly a
performance issue.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Non-synchronisation of HH and DT

I am using a registered version of Shadow (HH: v.2.6.7 registered; DT: 
v.1.2.5 registered; conduit: v.2.0.0)

I have created a list on the HH (called "Export from Shadow") and set it to 
sync with the DT (in Lists\Preferences by checking "Sync"), but it doesn't; 
I have also amended lists on the DT, but the amendments do not get carried 
over to the HH

The conduit is set to sync, with the HH over-writing the DT in cases of 
conflict. However, synchronisation is not actually taking place: the DT 
version of "Export from Shadow" is empty; the changes to lists on the DT 
are not carried over to the HH, and vice versa.  The latest HotSync log reads -

HotSync operation started 11/25/02 16:10:25
OK Address Book
OK To Do List
OK Memo Pad
OK Note Pad
OK Date Book
OK Acrobat Reader
Quicksheet - sync configured to Synchronize
OK Quicksheet
Quickword - sync configured to Synchronize
Quickword - Copy WBG-Member survey Nov2002 to Device.
OK Quickword
    -- Backing up db ShadCat to file D:\Palm\NelsonJ\Backup\ShadCat.PDB
    -- Backing up db ShadP-Export from Shadow to file 
D:\Palm\NelsonJ\Backup\ShadP-Export_from_Shadow.PDB
    -- Backing up db DiddleBugDB to file D:\Palm\NelsonJ\Backup\DiddleBugDB.PDB
    -- Backing up db Www sites to file D:\Palm\NelsonJ\Backup\Www_sites.PDB
    -- Backing up db Saved Preferences to file 
D:\Palm\NelsonJ\Backup\Saved_Preferences.PRC
OK System
HotSync operation complete 11/25/02 16:11:25

Am I missing something obvious, or should I uninstall and reinstall the 
Palm Desktop and/or the ShadowPlan desktop to see if the conduits are repaired?

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, ShadowPlan and 
various system extension hacks)

From: bombrsx4me  <scooperrider@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:02pm
Subject: Collapse Arrow

Is there another way for me to show the next row of data besides the 
collapse arrow (or make the arrow bigger)? Everytime I try to show 
the next row I end up getting the first row details.

thanks

Sean

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Non-synchronisation of HH and DT

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> I am using a registered version of Shadow (HH: v.2.6.7 registered; DT: 
> v.1.2.5 registered; conduit: v.2.0.0)
> 
> I have created a list on the HH (called "Export from Shadow") and set it to 
> sync with the DT (in Lists\Preferences by checking "Sync"), but it doesn't; 
> I have also amended lists on the DT, but the amendments do not get carried 
> over to the HH
> 
> The conduit is set to sync, with the HH over-writing the DT in cases
> of conflict. However, synchronisation is not actually taking place:
> the DT version of "Export from Shadow" is empty; the changes to lists
> on the DT are not carried over to the HH, and vice versa.  The latest
> HotSync log reads -


	Do a file find for lastsync.txt and post that to me; Hotsync log
isn't really veryuseful for debugging or details.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:27pm
Subject: Re: Collapse Arrow

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:

> Is there another way for me to show the next row of data besides the
> collapse arrow (or make the arrow bigger)? Everytime I try to show the
> next row I end up getting the first row details.

	I'm not entirely sure what you mean; ie: If stuff is offscreen,
you coudl scroll down to it, page down to it, or collapse items to make it
visible. Make sure you're using the public beta from the frontpage of the
website, which makes collapsing/expanding a little less fudgey. If you've
not disabled the scrollbar, it makes things easy.. just tap to scroll down
a little or a lot at your leisure..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:44pm
Subject: Off-topic: Anyone up for alpha testing non-Shadow related?

I've got a game proof of concept demo I'll need to alpha in a day
or so. I figured I might as well offer it to you guys.. we've all been
trhough the fire already so why not keep up the fun? :) Nothing really
exciting, but pretty cool.

	Caveat: Only works on Tugnsten T and Sony NX70 .. OS5 and ARM
power required. Expect a reset or two (no data loss). Older untis need not
apply (sorry, this needs serious horsepower).

	If you're interested reply to me personally (not to this
list. This isn't Shadow related, but a new Codejedi product)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 8:33pm
Subject: Re: Jeff do you have a Paypal acct ?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	No. I don't trust paypal .. too many bad stories about them.


Would those be bad for the payer, the payee or both? Paul Nevai 
(pedit and LapTopHack developer) pushes PayPal as his preferred 
method of receiving payments. Is he misinformed?

Roy.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: Jeff do you have a Paypal acct ?

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Roy van der Woning wrote:

> > 	No. I don't trust paypal .. too many bad stories about them.
> 
> Would those be bad for the payer, the payee or both? Paul Nevai 
> (pedit and LapTopHack developer) pushes PayPal as his preferred 
> method of receiving payments. Is he misinformed?

	I've heard bad stories; I cant' say whethor they're substantiated
or not, but they were enough to scare me. For both seller and buyer. I
won't go into details, since that wouldn't be right. I suggest poking
around yourself :) (ie: see www.paypalsucks.com or whatever it is :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: bombrsx4me  <scooperrider@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Collapse Arrow

I will try and word it differently. Is there a different way to 
expand / collapse other than clicking on the arrow? The arrow is 
really small in hi-res and I keep ketting the detail view. 

thanks

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:
> 
> > Is there another way for me to show the next row of data besides 
the
> > collapse arrow (or make the arrow bigger)? Everytime I try to 
show the
> > next row I end up getting the first row details.
> 
> 	I'm not entirely sure what you mean; ie: If stuff is 
offscreen,
> you coudl scroll down to it, page down to it, or collapse items to 
make it
> visible. Make sure you're using the public beta from the frontpage 
of the
> website, which makes collapsing/expanding a little less fudgey. If 
you've
> not disabled the scrollbar, it makes things easy.. just tap to 
scroll down
> a little or a lot at your leisure..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Collapse Arrow

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:

> I will try and word it differently. Is there a different way to 
> expand / collapse other than clicking on the arrow? The arrow is 
> really small in hi-res and I keep ketting the detail view. 

	Hmm. Thats a toughie. Did you try a larger font? (ie: By default,
hi-res is a tiny font. You can use the built in larger font, and its a
little better to work with)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: bombrsx4me  <scooperrider@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 10:13pm
Subject: Re: Collapse Arrow

I tried different fonts..up to 24 points but the arrows stay the 
same size.



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:
> 
> > I will try and word it differently. Is there a different way to 
> > expand / collapse other than clicking on the arrow? The arrow is 
> > really small in hi-res and I keep ketting the detail view. 
> 
> 	Hmm. Thats a toughie. Did you try a larger font? (ie: By 
default,
> hi-res is a tiny font. You can use the built in larger font, and 
its a
> little better to work with)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 11:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: Collapse Arrow

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:

> I tried different fonts..up to 24 points but the arrows stay the 
> same size.

	They do, but the tap area (vertically) increases with the font
size, making them easier to hit :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 9:48pm
Subject: Beta 2.6.8!

I've got a 2.6.8 version that has a new feature I've called
"theming".. you can specify the colour schemes for the list view. It works
flawlessly for most people I think, but a couple of people have reported
some colour painting oddities.. so I think its time to beta and get more
input and try and narrow in one what the problem could be..

	Get it here:

	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow268a.zip

	If you have a colour unit, go to the global prefs and hit Next a
couple of times.. for most people the Theme Prefs panel will be the 3rd
panel. (Only shows up for colour units).

	For Clie's, you must be in high-res mode with Shadow
itself.. Shadow won't let you use themes in low-res or high-res-assist
mode due to Sony OS bugs which crash the unit (their bad, not mine).

	So try out the theming.. set up colours how you like them. Try
tapping up and down the list to select and deselect numerous items in a
row, open and close lists, scroll around, make new ones.. all the normal
routine.

	Let us know of any oddity you see. It should work more or less
as it does now, except you can play with colour more :)

	It doesn't theme the file selection screen yet.

	Notes:

	If a list is only half a screen long, the rest of the screen
should still be white. Let me know if this is otherwise.

	One person reported seeing the theme painting showing up behind
some of the buttons on a Clie. Let me know if you see anything like this.

	One person with a Clie reported seeing the wrong paint being used
for items as he tapped down the screen. Let me know i you see this.. I'd
really liek to know which OS version and unit it occurred on :)

	When an item is selected, its autonumber will temporarily look
like its a zero. That'll be fixed in the release.. this is a beta after
all ;)

	Let me know how it goes :)

	AFAIK this version works very well, though there could be oddities
on some particular model of Clie or the like, perhaps. Thats what I need
to find out :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: grn_white  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff,

Been off for awhile - been too busy setting up my own business!  
managed to pick up v.2.6.0 when it came out.  Checking the list out 
today,  See lots of new updates but seems to be focused on OS5 etc. 
etc. 

I am still using a IIIxe with OS 3.5.3.  For now I don't need the 
colour, hi-res etc.

My question is - do I get anything out of the updates?  I see some 
drag and drop updates but that wasn't a problem for me (hardly used 
it :)

Thanks.

BTW - any way to print on DT with just the list and not all the 
additional info - start date etc. etc.


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I've got a 2.6.8 version that has a new feature I've called
> "theming".. you can specify the colour schemes for the list view. 
It works
> flawlessly for most people I think, but a couple of people have 
reported
> some colour painting oddities.. so I think its time to beta and 
get more
> input and try and narrow in one what the problem could be..
> 
> 	Get it here:
> 
> 	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow268a.zip
> 
> 	If you have a colour unit, go to the global prefs and hit 
Next a
> couple of times.. for most people the Theme Prefs panel will be 
the 3rd
> panel. (Only shows up for colour units).
> 
> 	For Clie's, you must be in high-res mode with Shadow
> itself.. Shadow won't let you use themes in low-res or high-res-
assist
> mode due to Sony OS bugs which crash the unit (their bad, not 
mine).
> 
> 	So try out the theming.. set up colours how you like them. 
Try
> tapping up and down the list to select and deselect numerous items 
in a
> row, open and close lists, scroll around, make new ones.. all the 
normal
> routine.
> 
> 	Let us know of any oddity you see. It should work more or 
less
> as it does now, except you can play with colour more :)
> 
> 	It doesn't theme the file selection screen yet.
> 
> 	Notes:
> 
> 	If a list is only half a screen long, the rest of the screen
> should still be white. Let me know if this is otherwise.
> 
> 	One person reported seeing the theme painting showing up 
behind
> some of the buttons on a Clie. Let me know if you see anything 
like this.
> 
> 	One person with a Clie reported seeing the wrong paint being 
used
> for items as he tapped down the screen. Let me know i you see 
this.. I'd
> really liek to know which OS version and unit it occurred on :)
> 
> 	When an item is selected, its autonumber will temporarily 
look
> like its a zero. That'll be fixed in the release.. this is a beta 
after
> all ;)
> 
> 	Let me know how it goes :)
> 
> 	AFAIK this version works very well, though there could be 
oddities
> on some particular model of Clie or the like, perhaps. Thats what 
I need
> to find out :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jjcook13  <jjcook13@y...>
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:25pm
Subject: Best way to use ShadowPlan with GTD?

For those of you using ShadowPlan and the GTD system, can you tell me 
what your system is for integrating the two?  Ideally, I am looking 
for a system that is geared towards entering most of my data from my 
Desktop PC Computer (in either Outlook or the ShadowPlan desktop 
program) and then editing and viewing this information on both the 
desktop and my Palm.  While this is the ideal scenario, I'll gladly 
take any information that people would like to share on their system 
for using ShadowPlan and the GTD system.

Thanks in advance,

Jeff C

From: clealucy  <clealucy@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:09pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff: 
The color is great!!! Funny thing though, on my Clie  NR70 the color themes only work on those lists where the original
color scheme worked. Why would only about half of the lists incorporate the alternate shading?

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:48 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Beta 2.6.8!



        I've got a 2.6.8 version that has a new feature I've called
  "theming".. you can specify the colour schemes for the list view. It works
  flawlessly for most people I think, but a couple of people have reported
  some colour painting oddities.. so I think its time to beta and get more
  input and try and narrow in one what the problem could be..

        Get it here:

        http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow268a.zip

        If you have a colour unit, go to the global prefs and hit Next a
  couple of times.. for most people the Theme Prefs panel will be the 3rd
  panel. (Only shows up for colour units).

        For Clie's, you must be in high-res mode with Shadow
  itself.. Shadow won't let you use themes in low-res or high-res-assist
  mode due to Sony OS bugs which crash the unit (their bad, not mine).

        So try out the theming.. set up colours how you like them. Try
  tapping up and down the list to select and deselect numerous items in a
  row, open and close lists, scroll around, make new ones.. all the normal
  routine.

        Let us know of any oddity you see. It should work more or less
  as it does now, except you can play with colour more :)

        It doesn't theme the file selection screen yet.

        Notes:

        If a list is only half a screen long, the rest of the screen
  should still be white. Let me know if this is otherwise.

        One person reported seeing the theme painting showing up behind
  some of the buttons on a Clie. Let me know if you see anything like this.

        One person with a Clie reported seeing the wrong paint being used
  for items as he tapped down the screen. Let me know i you see this.. I'd
  really liek to know which OS version and unit it occurred on :)

        When an item is selected, its autonumber will temporarily look
  like its a zero. That'll be fixed in the release.. this is a beta after
  all ;)

        Let me know how it goes :)

        AFAIK this version works very well, though there could be oddities
  on some particular model of Clie or the like, perhaps. Thats what I need
  to find out :)

              jeff

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
  -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:45pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I've got a 2.6.8 version that has a new feature I've called
> "theming".. you can specify the colour schemes for the list view. 
It works
> flawlessly for most people I think, but a couple of people have 
reported
> some colour painting oddities.. so I think its time to beta and 
get more
> input and try and narrow in one what the problem could be..
> 
> 	Get it here:
> 
> 	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow268a.zip
> 
> 	If you have a colour unit, go to the global prefs and hit 
Next a
> couple of times.. for most people the Theme Prefs panel will be 
the 3rd
> panel. (Only shows up for colour units).
> 
> 	For Clie's, you must be in high-res mode with Shadow
> itself.. Shadow won't let you use themes in low-res or high-res-
assist
> mode due to Sony OS bugs which crash the unit (their bad, not 
mine).
> 
> 	So try out the theming.. set up colours how you like them. 
Try
> tapping up and down the list to select and deselect numerous items 
in a
> row, open and close lists, scroll around, make new ones.. all the 
normal
> routine.
> 
> 	Let us know of any oddity you see. It should work more or 
less
> as it does now, except you can play with colour more :)
> 
> 	It doesn't theme the file selection screen yet.
> 
> 	Notes:
> 
> 	If a list is only half a screen long, the rest of the screen
> should still be white. Let me know if this is otherwise.
> 
> 	One person reported seeing the theme painting showing up 
behind
> some of the buttons on a Clie. Let me know if you see anything 
like this.
> 
> 	One person with a Clie reported seeing the wrong paint being 
used
> for items as he tapped down the screen. Let me know i you see 
this.. I'd
> really liek to know which OS version and unit it occurred on :)
> 
> 	When an item is selected, its autonumber will temporarily 
look
> like its a zero. That'll be fixed in the release.. this is a beta 
after
> all ;)
> 
> 	Let me know how it goes :)
> 
> 	AFAIK this version works very well, though there could be 
oddities
> on some particular model of Clie or the like, perhaps. Thats what 
I need
> to find out :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:52am
Subject: Jeff, does this version have the "bold todo import" feature ?

From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:35am
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff,

After installing 2.6.8, I see a noticeable lag when I click on an
item. Each time I click on another item there is a short pause before
it's selected. This occurs whether or not I've made any changes to the
color themes. I'm using a IIIc. Yes, I now it's old but I never saw
this lag before. I just reinstalled 267a and the lag isn't there.

Any optimization that you need to work on? Otherwise, this may be too
much of a performance hit on older machines.
--
Michael Rudnick                         
egroups@r...

Tuesday, November 26, 2002, 4:48:47 PM, you wrote:

JM>       I've got a 2.6.8 version that has a new feature I've called
JM> "theming".. you can specify the colour schemes for the list view. It works
JM> flawlessly for most people I think, but a couple of people have reported
JM> some colour painting oddities.. so I think its time to beta and get more
JM> input and try and narrow in one what the problem could be..

JM>       Get it here:

JM>       http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow268a.zip

JM>       If you have a colour unit, go to the global prefs and hit Next a
JM> couple of times.. for most people the Theme Prefs panel will be the 3rd
JM> panel. (Only shows up for colour units).

JM>       For Clie's, you must be in high-res mode with Shadow
JM> itself.. Shadow won't let you use themes in low-res or high-res-assist
JM> mode due to Sony OS bugs which crash the unit (their bad, not mine).

JM>       So try out the theming.. set up colours how you like them. Try
JM> tapping up and down the list to select and deselect numerous items in a
JM> row, open and close lists, scroll around, make new ones.. all the normal
JM> routine.

JM>       Let us know of any oddity you see. It should work more or less
JM> as it does now, except you can play with colour more :)

JM>       It doesn't theme the file selection screen yet.

JM>       Notes:

JM>       If a list is only half a screen long, the rest of the screen
JM> should still be white. Let me know if this is otherwise.

JM>       One person reported seeing the theme painting showing up behind
JM> some of the buttons on a Clie. Let me know if you see anything like this.

JM>       One person with a Clie reported seeing the wrong paint being used
JM> for items as he tapped down the screen. Let me know i you see this.. I'd
JM> really liek to know which OS version and unit it occurred on :)

JM>       When an item is selected, its autonumber will temporarily look
JM> like its a zero. That'll be fixed in the release.. this is a beta after
JM> all ;)

JM>       Let me know how it goes :)

JM>       AFAIK this version works very well, though there could be oddities
JM> on some particular model of Clie or the like, perhaps. Thats what I need
JM> to find out :)

JM>             jeff

JM> --
JM> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
JM> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
JM> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
JM> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


JM> Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT

JM> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
JM> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com



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From: Geoff Wichert  <geoff.wichert@u...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:24am
Subject: More about filters and menus

Thanks for the helpful replies about using filters to hide checked items. 
Should have seen that myself. Having the filter button at the top is much 
faster than using menus (more on this below). Several more questions

1. Is it possible to combine, or otherwise customize, the built-in filters? 
Say I want to see this week's target items (or any other selection), but 
hide the ones that are already checked? Some of the built-ins are pretty 
easy to recreate inside a custom filter, but others are more complex, and 
they don't show their actual definitions

2. Is there any way to navigate the menus using either a Palm keyboard 
(e.g. cursor keys) or even the graffiti pad? I'm finding my aim on 
activating menu items is terrible. (I fear it may be my machine/screen, 
which is a hand-me-down Palm III that is, otherwise, in good shape) About 
half the time the menu disappears, and the other half I get something I 
don't want. I use shortcuts / command keys, but not all functions have them.

BTW, thanks, Jeff, for the tip about up/down strokes for moving items on 
the list. I was just going to ask about the graffiti equivalent of those 
buttons. It's mentioned in the manual, but "swipe up" and "swipe down" were 
less clear to me than your email explanation of "up/down" and "down/up" so 
I hadn't been able to get this to work for me. Also, is there (likely to 
be) a keyboard equivalent of the same - maybe one of Ctrl/Shift/Alt with 
the cursor keys?

Geoff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, grn_white wrote:

> Been off for awhile - been too busy setting up my own business!  
> managed to pick up v.2.6.0 when it came out.  Checking the list out
> today, See lots of new updates but seems to be focused on OS5 etc.  
> etc.
> 
> I am still using a IIIxe with OS 3.5.3.  For now I don't need the 
> colour, hi-res etc.
> 
> My question is - do I get anything out of the updates?  I see some
> drag and drop updates but that wasn't a problem for me (hardly used it
> :)

	Hmm; There might be a few fixes or minor things.. my brain is too
full to recall everything thats changed. But mostly it woudl be out of the
spirit to help test and make sure its all still good for you ;)

> BTW - any way to print on DT with just the list and not all the
> additional info - start date etc. etc.

	Not easily; you could do a save-as HTML, open it in Word or the
like and trim out the tables..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> After installing 2.6.8, I see a noticeable lag when I click on an
> item. Each time I click on another item there is a short pause before
> it's selected. This occurs whether or not I've made any changes to the
> color themes. I'm using a IIIc. Yes, I now it's old but I never saw
> this lag before. I just reinstalled 267a and the lag isn't there.

	How much lag are you talking? Milliseocnd or second?

	With the new theme code, an item must be "redrawn" rather than
just "reversed". Its a little slower, but the speed to draw a single item
shoudl be pretty fast. Ahh, I suppose theres possibilities of lag in that
we have to lock down the icons to render them (from the sresources), and
perhaps your unit is slow to lock resources. I wonder if the speed of
resource lock varies by the number of files on the handheld or
anything.. hmm..

	again, how much lag? I'll try and look into it a little.

	Anyone else notice anything?

> Any optimization that you need to work on? Otherwise, this may be too
> much of a performance hit on older machines.

	I could try and buld something in to dodge theming if necessary,
but it'd be "inelegant".

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:30pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, clealucy wrote:

> The color is great!!! Funny thing though, on my Clie NR70 the color
> themes only work on those lists where the original color scheme
> worked. Why would only about half of the lists incorporate the
> alternate shading?

	Do you have col-bg turned off on those lists? (List Preferences)

	It works great on your NR70? If you tap on each item going down
the list, or on every other item going down the list, all is fine? No
weird painting side effects?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:31pm
Subject: Re: Jeff, does this version have the "bold todo import" feature ?

Sorry, not yet. I've not had time to run it through testing yet,
so it didn't clear to beta. It'll likely be in the next beta in a day or
two, after it goes through a pass of testing.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:33pm
Subject: Re: More about filters and menus

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Geoff Wichert wrote:

> 1. Is it possible to combine, or otherwise customize, the built-in
> filters?  Say I want to see this week's target items (or any other
> selection), but hide the ones that are already checked? Some of the
> built-ins are pretty easy to recreate inside a custom filter, but
> others are more complex, and they don't show their actual definitions

	The built ins are not implemented in terms of the custom
filters. Some of them cannot be done yet with customers, even. You can
attempt re-create them if you need to modify them.

> 2. Is there any way to navigate the menus using either a Palm keyboard
> (e.g. cursor keys) or even the graffiti pad? I'm finding my aim on
> activating menu items is terrible. (I fear it may be my
> machine/screen, which is a hand-me-down Palm III that is, otherwise,
> in good shape) About half the time the menu disappears, and the other
> half I get something I don't want. I use shortcuts / command keys, but
> not all functions have them.

	Theres "OKey" and "LapTopHack" that could help, among others. I've
never looked into such things, so I wouldn't know too much more than those
which get mentioned a lot.

> BTW, thanks, Jeff, for the tip about up/down strokes for moving items
> on the list. I was just going to ask about the graffiti equivalent of
> those buttons. It's mentioned in the manual, but "swipe up" and "swipe
> down" were less clear to me than your email explanation of "up/down"
> and "down/up" so I hadn't been able to get this to work for me. Also,
> is there (likely to be) a keyboard equivalent of the same - maybe one
> of Ctrl/Shift/Alt with the cursor keys?

	Eventually :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff,
I;ve noticed one thing already with 2.6.8 installed:
When I select items in a list my numbering system character is 
changed on that item. My standard numbering system is: "I,A,1" for 
the first 3 levels. Now when I select a "I" item the character turns 
to a period "." When I select an "A" item the character turns to an 
ampersand "@". When I select a "1" item the character turns to an "0".
If I leave the list and then return all items return to their proper 
enumeration symbol.
Paul


Visor Prism
Palm OS v.3.5.2H1.5

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:37pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8! another one

Wow! I was just experimenting around with some different color 
schemes:
Odd: Yellow back, black text
Even: Dark Green back, red text
On my Prism I get a pronounced 3D effect that is incredible! It looks 
like the yellow/black lines are 1mm "higher" than the green/red. 
Pretty cool Jeff!!

However, one other thing I noticed. The theme coloration doesn't 
apply to the enumeration, "expand" triangle, link arrow. This can 
make those characters tough to see with the green/red lines. Anyway 
the theme coloration can be applied to those item characters as well?
Paul

From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff,

The lag is "significant". Since I don't have it installed now I am
guessing. I'd say it was about half a second. That compares to
basically instant response in version 267a.

I'd ask any others with older units to download this version to see if
they get the same (slow) response when going from item to item.
--
Michael Rudnick                         
egroups@r...

Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 9:29:34 AM, you wrote:

>> After installing 2.6.8, I see a noticeable lag when I click on an

JM>       How much lag are you talking? Milliseocnd or second?

From: bbeveridge  <bbeveridge@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:13pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:
> 
> > After installing 2.6.8, I see a noticeable lag when I click on an
> > item. Each time I click on another item there is a short pause before
> > it's selected. This occurs whether or not I've made any changes to the
> > color themes. I'm using a IIIc. Yes, I now it's old but I never saw
> > this lag before. I just reinstalled 267a and the lag isn't there.
> 
> 	How much lag are you talking? Milliseocnd or second?
> 
> 	With the new theme code, an item must be "redrawn" rather than
> just "reversed". Its a little slower, but the speed to draw a single
item
> shoudl be pretty fast. Ahh, I suppose theres possibilities of lag in
that
> we have to lock down the icons to render them (from the sresources), and
> perhaps your unit is slow to lock resources. I wonder if the speed of
> resource lock varies by the number of files on the handheld or
> anything.. hmm..
> 
> 	again, how much lag? I'll try and look into it a little.
> 
> 	Anyone else notice anything?
> 

I also have a IIIc, and I also see a bit of a lag, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 of
a second. The other peculiarity I notice is that with come background
colors the forground color of the check box changes from what I have
it set to (black) to something lighter.. 

But don't get me wrong, I really like this feature, despite these
problems. 

Bob B.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:36pm
Subject: Re: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> The lag is "significant". Since I don't have it installed now I am
> guessing. I'd say it was about half a second. That compares to
> basically instant response in version 267a.
> 
> I'd ask any others with older units to download this version to see if
> they get the same (slow) response when going from item to item.

	Strange. I'd hate to have the feature not work on old units :/

	Anyone else see any lag in the 2.6.8 beta?

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, bbeveridge wrote:

> I also have a IIIc, and I also see a bit of a lag, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 of
> a second. The other peculiarity I notice is that with come background
> colors the forground color of the check box changes from what I have
> it set to (black) to something lighter.. 

	You cannto set the coluor of the icons.. they shoudl always stay
their natural colour.

> But don't get me wrong, I really like this feature, despite these
> problems. 

	OKay. I'll do some optimization. I can probably speed it up 50% at
the cost of a few more resources :P

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8! another one

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> Wow! I was just experimenting around with some different color 
> schemes:
> Odd: Yellow back, black text
> Even: Dark Green back, red text
> On my Prism I get a pronounced 3D effect that is incredible! It looks 
> like the yellow/black lines are 1mm "higher" than the green/red. 
> Pretty cool Jeff!!
> 
> However, one other thing I noticed. The theme coloration doesn't 
> apply to the enumeration, "expand" triangle, link arrow. This can 
> make those characters tough to see with the green/red lines. Anyway 
> the theme coloration can be applied to those item characters as well?

	Enumeration?

	Icons aren't easily changable on the fly, so they stay the same
colour always (or should). If you set dark backgrounds, not much I can do
about it :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

Hi Jeff

On my T615, if I select colour options everything works fine.  
However, with no Col-bg selected and the colours set to default the 
following happens:

1. the selected item colour is black (not blue)
2. the second and subsequent lines of a selected item disappear or 
the font is black on black rather than white on black.

Rita

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:33pm
Subject: RE: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "pfieldho_99" <pfieldho_99@y...> wrote:
> Jeff,
> I;ve noticed one thing already with 2.6.8 installed:
> When I select items in a list my numbering system character is 
> changed on that item. My standard numbering system is: "I,A,1" for 
> the first 3 levels. Now when I select a "I" item the character 
turns 
> to a period "." When I select an "A" item the character turns to an 
> ampersand "@". When I select a "1" item the character turns to 
an "0".
> If I leave the list and then return all items return to their 
proper 
> numbering symbol.
> Paul
> 
> 
> Visor Prism
> Palm OS v.3.5.2H1.5

Jeff,
Went to the test site to redownload 2.6.7 because of the above 
problem. Found 2.6.9 there and went ahead and downloaded that. The 
above problem is not occuring.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING! THANKS FOR THE PRESENT!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Rita wrote:

> On my T615, if I select colour options everything works fine.  
> However, with no Col-bg selected and the colours set to default the 
> following happens:
> 
> 1. the selected item colour is black (not blue)
> 2. the second and subsequent lines of a selected item disappear or 
> the font is black on black rather than white on black.

	Interesting, thanks for the report. I'll try and reproduce the
problem.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Guillermo Cremerius  <guillermo@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 0:13am
Subject: Re[2]: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff,

I've noticed that the color scheme applies only to the Title, not the
Tag for instance on a Worksheet view.

Regards.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
To: Jeff Mitchell <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 5:36:16 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re:Beta 2.6.8!

> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

>> The lag is "significant". Since I don't have it installed now I am
>> guessing. I'd say it was about half a second. That compares to
>> basically instant response in version 267a.
>> 
>> I'd ask any others with older units to download this version to see if
>> they get the same (slow) response when going from item to item.

>         Strange. I'd hate to have the feature not work on old units :/

>         Anyone else see any lag in the 2.6.8 beta?


--

From: Guillermo Cremerius  <guillermo@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 0:22am
Subject: Re[2]: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

Jeff,

I also see some lag on my m515, not significant, but yes, noticeable
compared to the previous versions... btw that was on 2.68 and on 2.69


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
To: Jeff Mitchell <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 5:36:16 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re:Beta 2.6.8!

> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

>> The lag is "significant". Since I don't have it installed now I am
>> guessing. I'd say it was about half a second. That compares to
>> basically instant response in version 267a.
>> 
>> I'd ask any others with older units to download this version to see if
>> they get the same (slow) response when going from item to item.

>         Strange. I'd hate to have the feature not work on old units :/

>         Anyone else see any lag in the 2.6.8 beta?


--

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 0:45am
Subject: Re: Best way to use ShadowPlan with GTD?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "jjcook13" <jjcook13@y...> wrote:
> For those of you using ShadowPlan and the GTD system, can you tell me 
> what your system is for integrating the two?  

I'm still thinking about ways to set this up.  You may want to look at
the GTD Palm group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm/.  Not too
much on shadow but a few ideas.

From: scarlet_vx  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:09am
Subject: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

Hi, Jeff.  I working off a Clie T615-C in hi-res mode.  I have the 
same problem with themes that I do with font size--I can't change the 
preference permanently.  It goes back to the default when I exit 
Shadow.  Themes do the same thing, colors go back to default when I 
exit.  If you ever find a way to fix this (esp the font size) I'm 
very interested.

On the plus side, the use of themes doesn't seem to slow the reponse 
time on my unit.

Sharon

From: scarlet_vx  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:29am
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

Saw this post; hadn't tried the no col option yet.  My Clie does the 
same thing.  My no col list keeps the black highlight and vanishing 
second line even if I change the theme preferences to other than the 
defaults.  Everything is fine if I change to col-bg.

Rita, you have a T615.  Do your font changes and themes stay put when 
you exit?  Just curious.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Rita wrote:
> 
> > On my T615, if I select colour options everything works fine.  
> > However, with no Col-bg selected and the colours set to default 
the 
> > following happens:
> > 
> > 1. the selected item colour is black (not blue)
> > 2. the second and subsequent lines of a selected item disappear 
or 
> > the font is black on black rather than white on black.
> 
> 	Interesting, thanks for the report. I'll try and reproduce the
> problem.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:52am
Subject: Re: Anyone help me with a filter?

Did this parent-tag feature ever get added to the filter tool? This is
exactly what I have spent the past few days trying to get Shadow to do.

j.




> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:55:28 -0400 (EDT)
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Anyone help me with a filter?
> 
> 
> Pretty tough at this point, but a interesting idea comes to mind..
> 
> Filters aer evaluated on a per item basis. But I could add a rule
> that is "parent-tag", so you coudl say "parent-tag matches Active" which
> woudl be like what you want.
> 
> I think this woudl solve many peoples problems. Instead of
> inheriting tags to childrne, just look up parent tags.
> 
> Could be slow to process..
> 
> jeff
> 


> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Stuart Gibbons wrote:
> 
>> I'm struggling to define the filter I need and aren't sure whether I
>> just can't get my head round it or its beyond the filter manager's
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> I'm using Shadow to list my multi-step ToDos - with the project name
>> at level 1, and the tasks at lower levels.  I give each top level
>> item a tag to show its status (active, on hold, pending, cancelled).
>> Tasks have no tags.
>> 
>> Project Name 1 (tag=Active)
>>   -- Task A (checked)
>>   -- Task B (unchecked)
>> Project Name 2 (tag=On Hold)
>>   -- Task A (unchecked)
>> 
>> I'd like to define a filter to show the uncompleted tasks of Active
>> projects only, so I only get:

From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 0:10pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

> Rita, you have a T615.  Do your font changes and themes stay put 
when 
> you exit?  Just curious.

Hi Sharon

I have tried the following:

1. col-gb on, fonts and themes will stay put after exiting 
completely.
2. with col-gb off, fonts stay put, but no colour at all.

I have Fontbucket installed, but I have X-master and Fonthack 123 
configured to my preferences and don't really use Fontbucket.  
Fonthack might have something to do with it.

I'll test some more tomorrow.

Rita

From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 0:21pm
Subject: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

> I'll test some more tomorrow.

Couldn't wait till tomorrow so I tried setting themes with Fonthack 
swithced off and when I had col-bg turned off, everything 
disappeared except for the bubbles.  Interesting.

With col-bg switched on,  everything was fine even after an exit.  

Changing fonts, same thing.  Nothing with col-bg off and everything 
fine with col-bg on.

Rita

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Beta 2.6.8!

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I;ve noticed one thing already with 2.6.8 installed:
> When I select items in a list my numbering system character is 
> changed on that item. My standard numbering system is: "I,A,1" for 
> the first 3 levels. Now when I select a "I" item the character turns 
> to a period "." When I select an "A" item the character turns to an 
> ampersand "@". When I select a "1" item the character turns to an "0".
> If I leave the list and then return all items return to their proper 
> enumeration symbol.

	Yep, thats fixed in the alpha updates and I mentioned it in the
beta release note. Its harmless but annoying, but I needed to get some
input on the theming and how functional it is.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Guillermo Cremerius wrote:

> I also see some lag on my m515, not significant, but yes, noticeable
> compared to the previous versions... btw that was on 2.68 and on 2.69

	OKay, I'll do some magic to eliminate this lag.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:06pm
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Guillermo Cremerius wrote:

> I've noticed that the color scheme applies only to the Title, not the
> Tag for instance on a Worksheet view.

	Hmm. I'll check. Thanks for the report!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:07pm
Subject: Re: Re:Beta 2.6.8!

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:

> Hi, Jeff.  I working off a Clie T615-C in hi-res mode.  I have the
> same problem with themes that I do with font size--I can't change the
> preference permanently.  It goes back to the default when I exit
> Shadow.  Themes do the same thing, colors go back to default when I
> exit.  If you ever find a way to fix this (esp the font size) I'm very
> interested.

	Very strange. I imagine you can't change any global settings and
have them stick?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Anyone help me with a filter?

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:

> Did this parent-tag feature ever get added to the filter tool? This is
> exactly what I have spent the past few days trying to get Shadow to do.

	Nope, haven't had tiem to work on the filtering subsystem in
awhile. Immediate goals are to get 2.7 out the door soon (theming, os5
enhancements), and then get the mac OSX alpha to beta quality and in
testing, and then get back to thinking about where to go :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: charlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 2:07pm
Subject: 2.6.9 oddity

Jeff: the color bleed and the disappearing numbering issues seem to
have disappeared in 2.6.9; I'm was having a strange side effect
though: if a list is expanded, completely or partially, and the
"Collapse All" command is invoked, on half my files the second item in
the list wouldn't collapse, and stay open with all its children
visible.  But I've tried to reproduce it a few times, and most often
than not, the collapse command works fine, so I'm not going to pursue
this unless it starts really acting up. I'm on the NR-70 so you may
finally have made the Sony OS bend to your will....Happy Tgiving for
those celebrating!
Chris

From: ggilliam2000  <genice1130@a...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 2:36pm
Subject: Where do I find 2.6.9?

Hi Jeff
Where do I download 2.6.9? Great Color feature by the way
Thanks
George

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:00pm
Subject: Re: 2.6.9 oddity

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, charlepp wrote:

> Jeff: the color bleed and the disappearing numbering issues seem to
> have disappeared in 2.6.9; I'm was having a strange side effect
> though: if a list is expanded, completely or partially, and the
> "Collapse All" command is invoked, on half my files the second item in
> the list wouldn't collapse, and stay open with all its children
> visible.  But I've tried to reproduce it a few times, and most often

	Collapse All will not collapse the item which is currently
selected. Its how we decided it shuld be done a few years ago, and we've
left it for consistency, though its a little odd..

> than not, the collapse command works fine, so I'm not going to pursue
> this unless it starts really acting up. I'm on the NR-70 so you may
> finally have made the Sony OS bend to your will....Happy Tgiving for
> those celebrating!

	So you had problems where the background paint would show up
behind other parts of the screen (like behind the up/down scrollers in the
bottom right), but thats not happening now?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:00pm
Subject: Re: Where do I find 2.6.9?

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, ggilliam2000 wrote:

> Where do I download 2.6.9? Great Color feature by the way

	Same place as 2.6.8, just change the filename to shadow269a.zip :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_