From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: RE: Grouping or Copy of Tags

Interesting thoughts, but that sounds like the tags would be the same
every time if you do that global list pref thing-- or will it be able to
take the tags of the top level item?

And yes, it might bloat things a bit, but I don't use tags very much for
one reason-- I use Shadow for all of my planning, and Agendus for all of
my doing. Make sense? I don't really go to Shadow in the heat of the
moment, while I have Agendus running all day when my TT is on the cradle
at my desk. So any Shadow info that I can see in Agendus is a really
good thing.

Jen

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http://www.pocketgoddess.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

	I was thinking of as "paste tags" operation under the [C]
popmenu.
So you coudl copy some item to the clip, and then do a paste-tags as
many
times as you like, where diogn that woudl take the tasg fro the first
item
in the clipboard and put copies of them onto the selected item.

	But.. I coudl put a button somewhere in the details screen, or
perhaps a global list pref (list options) to copy all tags when you make
a
new item in that list.

> And are you still thinking about adding tag info to the notes in to do
> items? That would be really swell.

	I could do it, but we'er starting to bloat the ToDo subsystem a
little no?

		jeff

From: Jim Anderson  <jima@c...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.6 Beta Released!

At 08:11 AM 11/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>         o) Drag and drop thresholding; if your unit is extra sensitive and
>you've found items moving around on you by accident when you do a quick
>tap or accidental drag, this should help you out. If a drag-and-drop lasts
>less than 1/3rd of a second, it is ignored.

Can you make it so a drag has to be longer than a line height?  That way a 
drag has to be relatively long before it has an effect.

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:56pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.6.6 Beta Released!

I'll second that!!!! That's almost more important than the time issue.
Checking those tiny little boxes in Shadow is HARD! on the TT.

Jen

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Anderson [mailto:jima@c...] 

Can you make it so a drag has to be longer than a line height?  That way
a 
drag has to be relatively long before it has an effect.

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:10pm
Subject: Cool thanks Jeff Re: Shadow 2.6.6 Beta Released!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > Is the automatic bolding of parents when using todo import 
updated on 
> > this version.
> 
> 	No, sorry. Thats a pertty recen request so it can wait a 
touch :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.6 Beta Released!

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Jim Anderson wrote:

> >         o) Drag and drop thresholding; if your unit is extra sensitive and
> >you've found items moving around on you by accident when you do a quick
> >tap or accidental drag, this should help you out. If a drag-and-drop lasts
> >less than 1/3rd of a second, it is ignored.
> 
> Can you make it so a drag has to be longer than a line height?  That way a 
> drag has to be relatively long before it has an effect.

	Only if I have to; the current system seems to work pretty
well. Did you try it? :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.6 Beta Released!

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Jim Anderson wrote:

> At 08:11 AM 11/15/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >         o) Drag and drop thresholding; if your unit is extra sensitive and
> >you've found items moving around on you by accident when you do a quick
> >tap or accidental drag, this should help you out. If a drag-and-drop lasts
> >less than 1/3rd of a second, it is ignored.
> 
> Can you make it so a drag has to be longer than a line height?  That way a 
> drag has to be relatively long before it has an effect.

	(Remembering that its more a function of time than distance; you
could drag up and down the screen all over the place, and then drop it
right near by.. the fact is that you did it for awhile, so you know what
you were doing. If the OS mis-detects a drag and tells Shadow, then its a
function of time.. if it was so instantaneous, then we nkow it was just
the OS being sensitive. Distance isn't so accurate, or correct for what
we're trying to stop, which is accidental drags due to the OS. If you do
an accidetnal drag on your own, thats your own business ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Adam Smyth  <as265@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:14pm
Subject: RE: Grouping or Copy of Tags

What I would prefer as a user involves three options, Jeff:

1) a new option in the item details screen "children inheret tags from
parent".  That would automatically take care of this when creating children.

2) an new tag maintenance screen "group tags".  This would allow the user to
set up groups for tags by creating a new group name, then choosing (using
check-boxes or something...) various tags that fall under that group.  Users
can then assign either an individual tag to an item, or a group.  Choosing
the group would automatically assign each tag that's a member of the group to
the item.

i.e. Group Tag:  Office Urgent  (includes Office and Urgent)

Assigning this group tag would automatically assign "office" and urgent" to
the item, but as separate items. Once you actually look at the tags, no
reference would be there to indicate that group -- just two separate tags.

3) your suggestion about being able to copy the tags from an item. 

 

 --- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	I was thinking of as "paste tags" operation under the [C] popmenu.
> So you coudl copy some item to the clip, and then do a paste-tags as many
> times as you like, where diogn that woudl take the tasg fro the first item
> in the clipboard and put copies of them onto the selected item.
> 
> 	But.. I coudl put a button somewhere in the details screen, or
> perhaps a global list pref (list options) to copy all tags when you make a
> new item in that list.


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From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:22pm
Subject: Re: New Shadow Plan = no sync

Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
>> As it is now, I have to go online and hunt around your 
>> web site to discover this information, and even then I 
>> am not entirely certain I have the right version of each 
>> that is supposed to work with the version of the other.
> 
> You don't need to do any such thing; you just download 
> the latest (which is obviously 2.6), and you know you 
> got it all.

I'm glad that this is the case, but if you hadn't told me I would not
have known. On your web site, the handheld and desktop are protrayed
as being completely separate. They even have separate web pages -- it
took me a while just to *find* the desktop app's web page.

I understand that *you* think it's obvious. Everything is obvious if
you already know it. For people who don't already know (and who
actually care what version of the software they are running), it is
not obvious.

Thanks for the help fixing the sync problem, btw. Your workaround
(deleting the desktop files and re-syncing) fixed it. I'm still
curious why the sync wasn't working to begin with, but as long as it
works now, that's the important thing. The lack of reliable
synchronization with the desktop app was my only remaining criticism
of the handheld version of Shadow Plan. Well done.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-11-15

From: mattfago  <fago@e...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 8:47pm
Subject: Jeff: Automatic Formatting By Outline Level?

Any chance you could add automatic formatting by outline level?

I'd really like to be able to have all top level items eg. red-bold,
2nd level underlined black etc...


Thanks for a great program and fast turn-around on the drag-n-drop thing.


 - Matt

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Jeff: Automatic Formatting By Outline Level?

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, mattfago wrote:

> Any chance you could add automatic formatting by outline level?
> 
> I'd really like to be able to have all top level items eg. red-bold,
> 2nd level underlined black etc...

	I'll think about it. What this really screams to me is to move the
auto-numbering from List Prefs to its own window, where we have
auto-numbering and colouration and other level formatting details, and a
button to this window from list prefs. So list prefs becomes a filename,
some options, and a few buttons to deeper options.

	I'll add it to my list. Once the Mac stuff goes alpha/beta, we can
start building priorities for the next steps..

> Thanks for a great program and fast turn-around on the drag-n-drop thing.

	All good now?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:02pm
Subject: Re: Tungsten users...

For any of you using a Tungsten, this could be of interest.  Just downloaded, but yet to try it out.  Will let you know if it does not work properly...

"NewPen has been talked about is a great addition for the TT.  NewPen makes it so that you do not have to slide it open to use Graffiti, 
you can write on the screen.  It also has a very slick way of 
turning it on and off.  Awesome software!!!"


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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:06pm
Subject: Re: Tungsten 5-way button assistance...

And one more for the Tungsten users...

"OKey 0.9 is an application that works with the 5 way navigation key 
on the TT.  It now allows you in any application to use the 5 way 
navigation key to access Menus, Categories, and any other button on 
the screen like New, Done, etc.  It adds a whole new dimension to 
the one handed operation of the TT, it now extends it to all 
application."



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 0:51am
Subject: Re: Tungsten users...

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> For any of you using a Tungsten, this could be of interest.  Just downloaded, but yet to try it out.  Will let you know if it does not work properly...
> 
> "NewPen has been talked about is a great addition for the TT.  NewPen
> makes it so that you do not have to slide it open to use Graffiti, you
> can write on the screen.  It also has a very slick way of turning it
> on and off.  Awesome software!!!"

	Newpen is amazing for Tungsten or Treo users. I got it day one
when I got my TT, and it has made the TT twice as handy!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 0:59am
Subject: Re: Tungsten users...

Yep, checked it out myself...very cool for not having to slide open to write!  Still figuring out the other OneKey, but seems it may also assist with navigating in programs.  So were you hiding that program from us Jeff?  ; )
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Tungsten users...


  On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > For any of you using a Tungsten, this could be of interest.  Just downloaded, but yet to try it out.  Will let you know if it does not work properly...
  > 
  > "NewPen has been talked about is a great addition for the TT.  NewPen
  > makes it so that you do not have to slide it open to use Graffiti, you
  > can write on the screen.  It also has a very slick way of turning it
  > on and off.  Awesome software!!!"

        Newpen is amazing for Tungsten or Treo users. I got it day one
  when I got my TT, and it has made the TT twice as handy!

              jeff

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
  -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:43am
Subject: Re: Tungsten users...

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> Yep, checked it out myself...very cool for not having to slide open to
> write!  Still figuring out the other OneKey, but seems it may also
> assist with navigating in programs.  So were you hiding that program
> from us Jeff?  ; )

	Never even heard of it :)

	I'll be checking it out later..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: carrdwight  <carrdwight@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:46am
Subject: Formatting Items

How do I format items using color and bolding...?

Thanks,
Dwight...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:28pm
Subject: Re: Formatting Items

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, carrdwight wrote:

> How do I format items using color and bolding...?

	The full screen Details window lets you set an items text colour
as well as bolding. See the bottom right of the dialog box.. the [B]
button for bolding, and the black square for selecting a colour. You can
also boldy+colour-ify based on criterion using the Hilight option in the
List pulldown menu.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: carrdwight  <carrdwight@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Formatting Items

Thats Beautiful!!!

In the highlight menu, can I add criteria to the criteria that comes 
up by defalt, e.g. highlight based on custom views...

Thanks,
Dwight...

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, carrdwight wrote:
> 
> > How do I format items using color and bolding...?
> 
> 	The full screen Details window lets you set an items text 
colour
> as well as bolding. See the bottom right of the dialog box.. the [B]
> button for bolding, and the black square for selecting a colour. 
You can
> also boldy+colour-ify based on criterion using the Hilight option 
in the
> List pulldown menu.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 16, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: Shadow Plan 2.6.7 Beta Released!

Get it from the front page of the website:

	http://www.codejedi.com

	Includes:

	* High resolution mode for Palm Tungsten T
	* High resolution mode for Sony NX series
	* High resolution mode for Handera 330
	* Drag and drop threshhold to stop "Accidental drags"
	* High density launcher icon
	* Assorted fixes and little things

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:51am
Subject: Re: Re: Formatting Items

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, carrdwight wrote:

> Thats Beautiful!!!
> 
> In the highlight menu, can I add criteria to the criteria that comes
> up by defalt, e.g. highlight based on custom views...

	Not yet, but I intend on allowing Hilights to work with Custom
Filter definitions, just like Filters do.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 2:58am
Subject: Anyone know how to make screenshots from OS5?

ScreenShotHack isn't OS5 friendly :/ 

	Anyone have any other way of taking a screenshot easily from OS 5?

	(And no, I cannot use the Simulator for this one, since the
Simulator cannot run true ARM code, and the app I'm working on here is all
ARM baby ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 9:39am
Subject: Reference Guide

I noticed that the Reference Guide wasn't updated for 2.6. Is it going to be updated later? The later it's done, the more time it's going to take ;)
I'd like information about the new Conduit messages (in lastsync.txt) so that we can better understand what's happening when things don't seem right.

Jacob

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From: CAH Cox  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:21pm
Subject: Fonts & Spacing

Jeff: 2.6.7 is very tight...the high res looks great on my Clie NR-70. I've got two questions: 
1] I've enabled high-res in OS 4.1, using Font Bucket, (need to get some larger fonts, man!), but in my custom view, where on the right side of the screen I have enabled the "link arrow column", the "ToDo link column" and the "Days until due column", the "Days until due" font, which is  much larger than the ones I've chosen in Font Bucket, takes over that part of the screen. Of course, unchecking the "hi-res" option in the global preferences provides more screen "real estate" for these 3 columns, but you loose the small font and more-info-on-the-screen-at-one-time benefit. Is there any way to have both small highres-assisted fonts and proper spacing + a proper "days until due"  font?
2] Can the color or saturation of the purple-y row shading that works in hi-res be adjusted or controlled?
Hope you're finally doing some weekend chillin...

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From: conditionone  <conditionone@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 17, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Anyone know how to make screenshots from OS5?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	ScreenShotHack isn't OS5 friendly :/ 
> 

linkeSOFT has updated ScreenShotHack to ScreenShot5,
an OS5 notification app.  I am/was a reg'ed user of
SS Hack, and have likewise purchased SS5.  I mean,
the guy made X-MASTER for cryin' out loud.  :-)

> 	Anyone have any other way of taking a screenshot easily from 
OS 5?
> 
> 	(And no, I cannot use the Simulator for this one, since the
> Simulator cannot run true ARM code, and the app I'm working on 
here is all
> ARM baby ;)

Actually, I believe that there *is* a way to run an
ARMlet with the Simulator, but you have to compile
it into a Win32 .DLL file. 

> 
> 		jeff

-bjl

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:01am
Subject: How about a secondary text field

Hi,

I've just moved over to Shadow, running it on a Tungsten T - great to see support for this device!

I'd like to suggest the addition of a secondary data field which can be displayed as a column. This is the primary feature I miss when using shadow instead of Listmaker. No fixed format for the data - just text.

Of course, the real winner would be if these child data fields were auto-summed into the parent field like the progress bars. This would be excellent for planning projects, totalling hours, parts, weights etc.

Tags are nice, but sometimes a little unplanned text is useful!

Regards,

Anthony Royle



-----Original Message-----
From: conditionone [mailto:conditionone@y...]
Sent: Monday, 18 November 2002 3:59
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Anyone know how to make screenshots from
OS5?


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	ScreenShotHack isn't OS5 friendly :/ 
> 

linkeSOFT has updated ScreenShotHack to ScreenShot5,
an OS5 notification app.  I am/was a reg'ed user of
SS Hack, and have likewise purchased SS5.  I mean,
the guy made X-MASTER for cryin' out loud.  :-)

> 	Anyone have any other way of taking a screenshot easily from 
OS 5?
> 
> 	(And no, I cannot use the Simulator for this one, since the
> Simulator cannot run true ARM code, and the app I'm working on 
here is all
> ARM baby ;)

Actually, I believe that there *is* a way to run an
ARMlet with the Simulator, but you have to compile
it into a Win32 .DLL file. 

> 
> 		jeff

-bjl


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:22am
Subject: Re: Reference Guide

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Jacob Share wrote:

> I noticed that the Reference Guide wasn't updated for 2.6. Is it going
> to be updated later? The later it's done, the more time it's going to
> take ;) I'd like information about the new Conduit messages (in
> lastsync.txt) so that we can better understand what's happening when
> things don't seem right.

	2.6 was mostly a desktop update, and as such the Desktop Ref was
updated for it instead of Ref Guide (which is for the handheld side).

	The lastsync.txt will always be undocumented and totally subject
to changes (ie: It is 3/4 different from the previous version). It is for
me to assist debugging.. it is cryptic and contains all kinds of stuff
only developers would follow. Besides, often things it says may look funny
but are entirely cool in the situation.. so I wouldn't watch it too
carefully ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:24am
Subject: Re: Fonts & Spacing

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, CAH Cox wrote:

> Jeff: 2.6.7 is very tight...the high res looks great on my Clie NR-70.
> I've got two questions:

> 1] I've enabled high-res in OS 4.1, using Font Bucket, (need to get
> some larger fonts, man!), but in my custom view, where on the right
> side of the screen I have enabled the "link arrow column", the "ToDo
> link column" and the "Days until due column", the "Days until due"
> font, which is much larger than the ones I've chosen in Font Bucket,
> takes over that part of the screen. Of course, unchecking the "hi-res"
> option in the global preferences provides more screen "real estate"
> for these 3 columns, but you loose the small font and
> more-info-on-the-screen-at-one-time benefit. Is there any way to have
> both small highres-assisted fonts and proper spacing + a proper "days
> until due"  font?

	Days until due uses the wrong font, then? That would be a bug, so
I'll have to fix it :) (ie: everything should use the selected font)

> 2] Can the color or saturation of the purple-y row shading that works
> in hi-res be adjusted or controlled?

	Not yet; I need to add a theming system, due to the wide variety
of screen technologies making it impossible to have a "canned" one.

> Hope you're finally doing some weekend chillin...

	A little :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:25am
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone know how to make screenshots from OS5?

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, conditionone wrote:

> > 	ScreenShotHack isn't OS5 friendly :/ 
> 
> linkeSOFT has updated ScreenShotHack to ScreenShot5, an OS5
> notification app.  I am/was a reg'ed user of SS Hack, and have
> likewise purchased SS5.  I mean, the guy made X-MASTER for cryin' out
> loud.  :-)

	Sweeet, I'll take a look.

> Actually, I believe that there *is* a way to run an ARMlet with the
> Simulator, but you have to compile it into a Win32 .DLL file.

	Except when its written in ARM assembly ;)

	I think I've got the first arcade emulator for Palm OS ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:27am
Subject: Re: How about a secondary text field

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:

> I've just moved over to Shadow, running it on a Tungsten T - great to
> see support for this device!

	I try and support all devices; of course, I bought a Tungsten T,
so you knew something had to happen *Fast* ;) I love my TT ;)

> I'd like to suggest the addition of a secondary data field which can
> be displayed as a column. This is the primary feature I miss when
> using shadow instead of Listmaker. No fixed format for the data - just
> text.

	yeah; I intend on adding a "misc field". Will be a bit, but it
will come.

> Of course, the real winner would be if these child data fields were
> auto-summed into the parent field like the progress bars. This would
> be excellent for planning projects, totalling hours, parts, weights
> etc.

	I'm thinking along the lines of functgions.. like "@SUM" in the
parent field and he gets the sum of all his children's misc-fields.. or
something.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: gf_gollum  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 0:18pm
Subject: ShadowPlan and WordComplete

Just trying WordComplete - and I'm really impressed (Pity it is so 
expensive!). Anyway, when entering text into Shadowplan to initiate a 
new node, Shadowplan appears to swallow the first character typed, 
and Wordcomplete isn't aware of the first letter of the phrase.. 
hence proposes silly ones (starting with the 2nd letter)

Is this a fixable bug.. or a necessary design feature of Shadowplan?

With a virtual graffiti aware version of Shadow plan, NewPen (to 
allow on screen graffiti, and Wordcomplete.. It would be a stunning 
integration of tools (IMHO)
Regards
Graham

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:27pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan and WordComplete

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, gf_gollum wrote:

> Just trying WordComplete - and I'm really impressed (Pity it is so
> expensive!). Anyway, when entering text into Shadowplan to initiate a
> new node, Shadowplan appears to swallow the first character typed, and
> Wordcomplete isn't aware of the first letter of the phrase..  hence
> proposes silly ones (starting with the 2nd letter)
> 
> Is this a fixable bug.. or a necessary design feature of Shadowplan?

	Its how the auto-start feature works; What happens is that when
you hit an alphabetic character, Shadow opens the detail view for a new
item, and then pushes the key again for you. Since I'm pushing the key
virtually as if you'd pushed it yourself, I'd have thought WordComplete
would have worked okay. I'm not sure theres much I can do.

	Others have used WC.. I thought it worked fine in the past?

> With a virtual graffiti aware version of Shadow plan, NewPen (to 
> allow on screen graffiti, and Wordcomplete.. It would be a stunning 
> integration of tools (IMHO)

	Mmmmm, Newpen.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 3:29pm
Subject: RE: Anyone know how to make screenshots from OS5?

Just get the new OS5 version of Screenshot. I wasn't happy about paying
again, but I had to have it.  http://www.linkesoft.com

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:58 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Anyone know how to make screenshots from OS5?


	ScreenShotHack isn't OS5 friendly :/ 

	Anyone have any other way of taking a screenshot easily from OS
5?

	(And no, I cannot use the Simulator for this one, since the
Simulator cannot run true ARM code, and the app I'm working on here is
all
ARM baby ;)

		jeff

From: gf_gollum  <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:02pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan and WordComplete

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > With a virtual graffiti aware version of Shadow plan, NewPen (to 
> > allow on screen graffiti, and Wordcomplete.. It would be a 
stunning 
> > integration of tools (IMHO)
> 
> 	Mmmmm, Newpen.
> 
If you mean is the problem caused by Newpen.. No - the behaviour is 
identical even with Newpen disabled. It is even the same with Newpen 
disabled and using the Clie thumboard.

If you meant what is Newpen.. have a look at
http://www.geocities.com/nagamatu/Newpen/index-e.htm

It works with Tungsten & NX70V too (so I've been told)
Regards
Graham

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 4:25pm
Subject: RE: Anyone know how to make screenshots from OS5?

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> Just get the new OS5 version of Screenshot. I wasn't happy about paying
> again, but I had to have it.  http://www.linkesoft.com

	yeah, just found and paid for it. I'm impressed. Though yeah, I
didn't much like paying the update fee, I think we'll see a lot of that.
Of course, I'm am idiot who never makes peopel pay update fees.. if only I
was more of a capitolist ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan and WordComplete

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, gf_gollum wrote:

> > > With a virtual graffiti aware version of Shadow plan, NewPen (to 
> > > allow on screen graffiti, and Wordcomplete.. It would be a 
> stunning 
> > > integration of tools (IMHO)
> > 
> > 	Mmmmm, Newpen.
> > 
> If you mean is the problem caused by Newpen.. No - the behaviour is 
> identical even with Newpen disabled. It is even the same with Newpen 
> disabled and using the Clie thumboard.

	No, I mean "yummy Newpen". Newpen is really very good. I use it
all the time.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 5:16pm
Subject: Shadow Desktop suggestions

Suggestions for Shadow Desktop "Save As HTML file (*.htm)":

1) Make the exported file XHTML-compliant (this is not difficult, but
I would be happy to edit the source code for you if you want help),

2) convert left "<" and right ">" angle brackets to &lt; and &gt;,

3) change "Note" notation to something other than left and right angle
brackets, such as "(Note: ... )" or "[Note: ... ]" or simply "[ ...
]", and

4) allow file extension to be "html" (and preferably, make this the
default).

Thank you.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-11-18

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: More Desktop suggestions/requests

Jeff (and ShadowPlan community),
A couple of suggestions/requests:
1) When selecting a "ShadP-xxxxxx" file to open, can that selection 
window open up as a default showing all files or, alternately, at max 
size? I always have to resize the window to see all my files.

2)In the list edit window, can the left window word-wrap text? I have 
a few lists with a lot of text for each item. Gets a little tough to 
see all of it.

Thanks for your consideration on these items.
Paul

From: w_higgs58  <bhiggs@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 7:47pm
Subject: Can't sync DT to HH

I am running Shadow 2.6.7 on my Handear (thanks for the High Rez!) 
and desk top  1.2.5.  When I make changes on the desk top they do not 
make it to the Palm.  Changes I make on the palm will however make it 
to the desk top.  Changing Hotsync functions do not seem to have an 
affect.  I have tried to set it up for desk top to over wirte the 
palm also with no affect.  

One other fact is that I have almost all the items on the Palm linked 
to todos.


Bill

From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:49pm
Subject: Re: Can't sync DT to HH

"w_higgs58" <bhiggs@s...> wrote:
> I am running Shadow 2.6.7 on my Handear ... and desk 
> top  1.2.5.  When I make changes on the desk top they 
> do not make it to the Palm.

I was having trouble getting the new versions of Shadow Plan/Desktop
to sync with each other, and Jeff suggested I delete the desktop
Shadow XML Files and re-sync. It worked, and I can sync fine now.
Perhaps you might try that?

bblackmoor@b...
2002-11-18

From: w_higgs58  <bhiggs@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Can't sync DT to HH

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "bblackmoor" <bblackmoor@s...> wrote:
> "w_higgs58" <bhiggs@s...> wrote:
> > I am running Shadow 2.6.7 on my Handear ... and desk 
> > top  1.2.5.  When I make changes on the desk top they 
> > do not make it to the Palm.
> 
> I was having trouble getting the new versions of Shadow Plan/Desktop
> to sync with each other, and Jeff suggested I delete the desktop
> Shadow XML Files and re-sync. It worked, and I can sync fine now.
> Perhaps you might try that?
> 
> bblackmoor@b...
> 2002-11-18

No Joy.  I deleted the old file off the desk top (renamed it 
actually).  Set Hot Sync for Palm to overwrite desk top.  Opened the 
newley copied file and made a change.  Synced.  No change on Palm.  
The Palm to DT is fine, I just can't go the other way.

Bill

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:13pm
Subject: Re: Can't sync DT to HH

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, w_higgs58 wrote:

> I am running Shadow 2.6.7 on my Handear (thanks for the High Rez!)  
> and desk top 1.2.5.  When I make changes on the desk top they do not
> make it to the Palm.  Changes I make on the palm will however make it
> to the desk top.  Changing Hotsync functions do not seem to have an
> affect.  I have tried to set it up for desk top to over wirte the palm
> also with no affect.
> 
> One other fact is that I have almost all the items on the Palm linked
> to todos.

	If an item is linked to ToDo or Datebook, you likely have to
change it in Palm Desktop or Outlok, as those systems sync "later", and
thus take over the value. Its somethign we have to look into.. when we're
fighting with other apps, it gets messy :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:57am
Subject: Middle Caps Hack replacement!

For those of you like me, that loved and depended on MiddleCapsHack, here is a replacement...freeware btw...and yes, I went to PalmGear.com.  :(

Info:
"Application Description:
With the release of Palm OS 5 many of the beloved Hacks no longer function - even with the efforts of the guys at Tealpoint.
My personal favorite hack was MiddleCapsHack - super simple, and very useful.
To this end I've created an OS5 replacement for MiddleCapsHack using the new OS5 notification system.
I hope you enjoy it!

Once you have installed CrossingOver you'll be able to use it straight-away - there is nothing to configure. Whenever you want an uppercase character simply write it so that the stroke crosses over (get it?!) the boundary between the alpha and numeric sections of the Graffiti pad. Easy.

Note: This software is only for Palm OS 5 devices.

I'M GETTING REPORTS THAT IT DOESN"T WORK ON CLIE NX DEVICES. IT WORKS GREAT IN THE SIMULATOR SO WILL HAVE TO TRY AND FIND SOMEONE NEARBY WITH AN NX TO DO MORE TESTING. SORRY.

NOTE: If you install CrossingOver via email/web direct to your Palm device you will need to perform a soft reset for CrossingOver to complete it's installation. This IS NOT REQUIRED if you use HotSync to install it."

Enjoy,
Kevin 


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From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:12am
Subject: RE: How about a secondary text field

Jeff,

That would be ideal!

For functions, how about adding one which would sum HH:MM styled time fields?

Regards,

Anthony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Monday, 18 November 2002 14:27
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] How about a secondary text field
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, ROYLE Anthony wrote:
> 
> > I've just moved over to Shadow, running it on a Tungsten T 
> - great to
> > see support for this device!
> 
> 	I try and support all devices; of course, I bought a Tungsten T,
> so you knew something had to happen *Fast* ;) I love my TT ;)
> 
> > I'd like to suggest the addition of a secondary data field which can
> > be displayed as a column. This is the primary feature I miss when
> > using shadow instead of Listmaker. No fixed format for the 
> data - just
> > text.
> 
> 	yeah; I intend on adding a "misc field". Will be a bit, but it
> will come.
> 
> > Of course, the real winner would be if these child data fields were
> > auto-summed into the parent field like the progress bars. This would
> > be excellent for planning projects, totalling hours, parts, weights
> > etc.
> 
> 	I'm thinking along the lines of functgions.. like "@SUM" in the
> parent field and he gets the sum of all his children's 
> misc-fields.. or
> something.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
>

From: kcnaylor  <kencn@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:10pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan 2.6.7 Beta Released!

Jeff,

Love the Handera support in 2.6.7.  It would be nice if you could 
support all the native Handera fonts without using Font Bucket.  
Actually Font Bucket works very well in hires but Shadow is the only 
app I have that uses it so it would be nice to not carry around the 
extra 1-200k of memory.

One change I really would like to see is to scale the C/F/V menu 
buttons up when in hires so that they remain the same size on the 
screen as they are in lores.  They're small enough to begin with and 
in hires they get extremely tough to select.

Thanks again.
Ken
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Get it from the front page of the website:
> 
> 	http://www.codejedi.com
> 
> 	Includes:
> 
> 	* High resolution mode for Palm Tungsten T
> 	* High resolution mode for Sony NX series
> 	* High resolution mode for Handera 330
> 	* Drag and drop threshhold to stop "Accidental drags"
> 	* High density launcher icon
> 	* Assorted fixes and little things
> 
> 		Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:13am
Subject: Re: More Desktop suggestions/requests

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> 1) When selecting a "ShadP-xxxxxx" file to open, can that selection
> window open up as a default showing all files or, alternately, at max
> size? I always have to resize the window to see all my files.

	Thats a toughy. I'll keep it on my list.

> 2)In the list edit window, can the left window word-wrap text? I have 
> a few lists with a lot of text for each item. Gets a little tough to 
> see all of it.

	We're currently limited by the OS; I will be writing a new
Shadow-like widget for the left panel so you'll eventually get all the
functionality you're hoping for. I definitely need to get word wrap,
formatting, item types, filtering, etc, in place.

> Thanks for your consideration on these items.

	Keep the suggestions coming :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:14am
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow Plan 2.6.7 Beta Released!

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, kcnaylor wrote:

> Love the Handera support in 2.6.7.  It would be nice if you could
> support all the native Handera fonts without using Font Bucket.  
> Actually Font Bucket works very well in hires but Shadow is the only
> app I have that uses it so it would be nice to not carry around the
> extra 1-200k of memory.

	Its a little tricky, but we'll see.

> One change I really would like to see is to scale the C/F/V menu
> buttons up when in hires so that they remain the same size on the
> screen as they are in lores.  They're small enough to begin with and
> in hires they get extremely tough to select.

	yeah; I have to special case it for the Handera :/ I'm a little
bit tied up right now, but I'll try and nail this a bit later.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: David Bengtson  <dbengtson@p...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:05am
Subject: Shadow Request

Hi Jeff:

Is there any hope for a larger note size in Shadow? I'd like to use
Shadow to organize mailing list notes, and a 32k note would be handy. 



Dave

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Request

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, David  Bengtson wrote:

> Is there any hope for a larger note size in Shadow? I'd like to use
> Shadow to organize mailing list notes, and a 32k note would be handy.

	Not for awhile, sorry :( Its a reasonably low request item
compared to a few other things I'm working on. Its also a little tougher
due to how we optimize.. we keep things fast by doing a lot of caching and
moving things around and continual optimization (Shadow can run fast even
with giant files).. however, havign a few really large notes seriously
impacts performance, so we've not allowed it. Its something I'd like to
get to, but I'm afraid I wont' get to it in the next little while :(

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Derek Erb  <erb@e...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:44pm
Subject: Printing accents

I am currently in the process of evaluating Shadow Plan and have 
installed the trial version on my Clié NR70v and my desktop (Windows 
XP).

One of the first problems I found was in printing from the desktop 
app.  Characters with accents (é è à ...) print as gobbledygook.

Itinéraires becomes Itinéraires

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:41pm
Subject: Re: Printing accents

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Derek Erb wrote:

> I am currently in the process of evaluating Shadow Plan and have 
> installed the trial version on my Clié NR70v and my desktop (Windows 
> XP).
> 
> One of the first problems I found was in printing from the desktop 
> app.  Characters with accents (é è à ...) print as gobbledygook.
> 
> Itinéraires becomes Itinéraires

	Shadow Desktop makes use of some tools to get printing done, and
those tools aren't very international aware. You can do a "save as" HTML
and then print the HTML to achieve similar results.. however I do intend
on fixing up the international printing. Lots to do, and I'm working on it
:)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tddisc  <tddisc@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:21pm
Subject: Shadow icon & LauncherX

The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in 
LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks 
polarized, it's mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't 
show up right in LauncherX. 

td

From: George David R-G16477  <d.george@m...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:16pm
Subject: RE: Shadow icon & LauncherX

In coming to Shadow's defense, it's not the only program that does this in LX.  I installed LX for a day, and saw several other icons that looked pretty messed up.  Not for this reason, but I'm sticking with ML.  LX is a yawn at best.
 

Thanx! 
  
David George
IT System Engineer
Motorola ESG
Lawrenceville GA
770-338-3888 

-----Original Message-----
From: tddisc [mailto:tddisc@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:21 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX


The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in 
LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks 
polarized, it's mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't 
show up right in LauncherX. 

td


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From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

Interesting, as I LOVE Launcher X and am more than happy to junk Megalauncher with its huge bloat on my RAM.  As for the Shadow icon in Launcher X, i don't mind it (stands out from the others) and think it now looks more like a shadow (i actually thought it was intentionally looking that way as developed by Jeff)!  The mention of other programs doing this, I haven't seen any others on my machine that is loaded with programs.  To each his/her own, but to save LOTS of RAM, check out Launcher X.  My thoughts.
Kevin

Kevin S. Giberson
Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
262 East Lake Avenue
Watsonville, CA  95076
Office:  (831) 722-4500
Fax:  (831) 722-4535
kevin@g...

------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George David R-G16477 
  To: 'shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:16 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX


  In coming to Shadow's defense, it's not the only program that does this in LX.  I installed LX for a day, and saw several other icons that looked pretty messed up.  Not for this reason, but I'm sticking with ML.  LX is a yawn at best.


  Thanx! 
    
  David George
  IT System Engineer
  Motorola ESG
  Lawrenceville GA
  770-338-3888 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: tddisc [mailto:tddisc@y...]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:21 PM
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX


  The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in 
  LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks 
  polarized, it's mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't 
  show up right in LauncherX. 

  td





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From: DAJones99  <dajones99@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:47pm
Subject: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

I have to agree with Kevin, I'm quite liking Launcher X. Mega 
launcher was too much of things I didn't need or use and too big. 
Anyway, since this a Shadow list I will mention that on my Handera 
the icon shows up fine in both small and large view...hey cool 
something that works in the Handera first :-)

Dave

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> Interesting, as I LOVE Launcher X and am more than happy to junk 
Megalauncher with its huge bloat on my RAM.  As for the Shadow icon 
in Launcher X, i don't mind it (stands out from the others) and think 
it now looks more like a shadow (i actually thought it was 
intentionally looking that way as developed by Jeff)!  The mention of 
other programs doing this, I haven't seen any others on my machine 
that is loaded with programs.  To each his/her own, but to save LOTS 
of RAM, check out Launcher X.  My thoughts.
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin S. Giberson
> Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
> Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
> 262 East Lake Avenue
> Watsonville, CA  95076
> Office:  (831) 722-4500
> Fax:  (831) 722-4535
> kevin@g...
> 
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: George David R-G16477 
>   To: 'shadow-discuss@y...' 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:16 AM
>   Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX
> 
> 
>   In coming to Shadow's defense, it's not the only program that 
does this in LX.  I installed LX for a day, and saw several other 
icons that looked pretty messed up.  Not for this reason, but I'm 
sticking with ML.  LX is a yawn at best.
> 
> 
>   Thanx! 
>     
>   David George
>   IT System Engineer
>   Motorola ESG
>   Lawrenceville GA
>   770-338-3888 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: tddisc [mailto:tddisc@y...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:21 PM
>   To: shadow-discuss@y...
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX
> 
> 
>   The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in 
>   LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks 
>   polarized, it's mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that 
doesn't 
>   show up right in LauncherX. 
> 
>   td
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, tddisc wrote:

> The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in
> LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks polarized, it's
> mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't show up right in
> LauncherX.

	One other person noticed this; I took a look and suer enough its
true. I'm not sure if its Launcher X's fault or mine.. ie: The icon shows
up correct in the built in launcher and other launchers.. which would
suggest the problem is Launcher X. But its hard to say. I'm hoping Benc
takes a peek and lets us know ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: DAJones99  <dajones99@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

It sounds like it could be in the Active Skin seeing as it's 
different depending on the type of unit you have. That might explain 
why it shows fine on the Handera but not on other models.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, tddisc wrote:
> 
> > The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in
> > LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks polarized, 
it's
> > mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't show up 
right in
> > LauncherX.
> 
> 	One other person noticed this; I took a look and suer enough 
its
> true. I'm not sure if its Launcher X's fault or mine.. ie: The icon 
shows
> up correct in the built in launcher and other launchers.. which 
would
> suggest the problem is Launcher X. But its hard to say. I'm hoping 
Benc
> takes a peek and lets us know ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

As a note, I have the Tungsten and looked again.  It appears correct, the outline of a black box, blue inside that, with a black outline type paper with white scribbles across it...dark, like the website, shadow-like.  Isn't this the way it is supposed to look?  Very cool look in my opinion. 
Enjoy,
Kevin

Kevin S. Giberson
Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
262 East Lake Avenue
Watsonville, CA  95076
Office:  (831) 722-4500
Fax:  (831) 722-4535
kevin@g...

------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DAJones99 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:25 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX


  It sounds like it could be in the Active Skin seeing as it's 
  different depending on the type of unit you have. That might explain 
  why it shows fine on the Handera but not on other models.

  --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, tddisc wrote:
  > 
  > > The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in
  > > LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks polarized, 
  it's
  > > mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't show up 
  right in
  > > LauncherX.
  > 
  >       One other person noticed this; I took a look and suer enough 
  its
  > true. I'm not sure if its Launcher X's fault or mine.. ie: The icon 
  shows
  > up correct in the built in launcher and other launchers.. which 
  would
  > suggest the problem is Launcher X. But its hard to say. I'm hoping 
  Benc
  > takes a peek and lets us know ;)
  > 
  >             jeff



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: tddisc  <tddisc@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

Kevin,

I hadn't thought of it as looking like the website, but now that you 
mention it, it does. Exit LauncherX and you'll see what it is 
suppose to look like. Since I'm using a Tungsten as well, it seems 
that the effect is a result of using LauncherX on OS 5. Regardless 
of the icon, I'm happy with the high resolution in this version. 
Thanks Jeff.

td

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> As a note, I have the Tungsten and looked again.  It appears 
correct, the outline of a black box, blue inside that, with a black 
outline type paper with white scribbles across it...dark, like the 
website, shadow-like.  Isn't this the way it is supposed to look?  
Very cool look in my opinion. 
> Enjoy,
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin S. Giberson
> Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
> Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
> 262 East Lake Avenue
> Watsonville, CA  95076
> Office:  (831) 722-4500
> Fax:  (831) 722-4535
> kevin@g...
> 
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: DAJones99 
>   To: shadow-discuss@y... 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:25 AM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX
> 
> 
>   It sounds like it could be in the Active Skin seeing as it's 
>   different depending on the type of unit you have. That might 
explain 
>   why it shows fine on the Handera but not on other models.
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>   > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, tddisc wrote:
>   > 
>   > > The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right 
in
>   > > LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks 
polarized, 
>   it's
>   > > mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't show 
up 
>   right in
>   > > LauncherX.
>   > 
>   >       One other person noticed this; I took a look and suer 
enough 
>   its
>   > true. I'm not sure if its Launcher X's fault or mine.. ie: The 
icon 
>   shows
>   > up correct in the built in launcher and other launchers.. 
which 
>   would
>   > suggest the problem is Launcher X. But its hard to say. I'm 
hoping 
>   Benc
>   > takes a peek and lets us know ;)
>   > 
>   >             jeff
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, DAJones99 wrote:

> I have to agree with Kevin, I'm quite liking Launcher X. Mega launcher
> was too much of things I didn't need or use and too big.  Anyway,
> since this a Shadow list I will mention that on my Handera the icon
> shows up fine in both small and large view...hey cool something that
> works in the Handera first :-)

	Its actually a little weirder than that; There aer two "normal"
icons.. a normal square one, and a "tiny" one for list view. Handera adds
a 1.5 scaled one, and Clie adds a 2.0 scaled one. Palm adds a high density
one (simialr to the Clie one). So the one in question here is the high
density one.. the others are all okay.

	I liked MegaLauncher.. it worked, and it was fast. Most important
is a launcher that is fast. I also liked having small icons and the skins.
LauncherX seems pretty good overall, but not as big as it wanted to be (or
was hyped to be), and isn't as fast as L3 or ML. Since ML doesn't yet work
on OS5, I've moved to LX myself. LX is ncie and clean though, which is
nice.. it didn't get big and awful, and it looks really sharp and is
nicely designed. Kudos to Mr. Benc :)

		jeff

> 
> Dave
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> > Interesting, as I LOVE Launcher X and am more than happy to junk 
> Megalauncher with its huge bloat on my RAM.  As for the Shadow icon 
> in Launcher X, i don't mind it (stands out from the others) and think 
> it now looks more like a shadow (i actually thought it was 
> intentionally looking that way as developed by Jeff)!  The mention of 
> other programs doing this, I haven't seen any others on my machine 
> that is loaded with programs.  To each his/her own, but to save LOTS 
> of RAM, check out Launcher X.  My thoughts.
> > Kevin
> > 
> > Kevin S. Giberson
> > Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
> > Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
> > 262 East Lake Avenue
> > Watsonville, CA  95076
> > Office:  (831) 722-4500
> > Fax:  (831) 722-4535
> > kevin@g...
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > Enjoy life!
> > ------------------------------
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: George David R-G16477 
> >   To: 'shadow-discuss@y...' 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:16 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX
> > 
> > 
> >   In coming to Shadow's defense, it's not the only program that 
> does this in LX.  I installed LX for a day, and saw several other 
> icons that looked pretty messed up.  Not for this reason, but I'm 
> sticking with ML.  LX is a yawn at best.
> > 
> > 
> >   Thanx! 
> >     
> >   David George
> >   IT System Engineer
> >   Motorola ESG
> >   Lawrenceville GA
> >   770-338-3888 
> > 
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: tddisc [mailto:tddisc@y...]
> >   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:21 PM
> >   To: shadow-discuss@y...
> >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow icon & LauncherX
> > 
> > 
> >   The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in 
> >   LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks 
> >   polarized, it's mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that 
> doesn't 
> >   show up right in LauncherX. 
> > 
> >   td
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

Checked, and interesting change.  I actually prefer the darker look I get with Launcher X since it does resemble the website.

Jeff, do you like the darker look?  What about asking Benc not to change it?  My thoughts.

Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tddisc 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:53 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX


  Kevin,

  I hadn't thought of it as looking like the website, but now that you 
  mention it, it does. Exit LauncherX and you'll see what it is 
  suppose to look like. Since I'm using a Tungsten as well, it seems 
  that the effect is a result of using LauncherX on OS 5. Regardless 
  of the icon, I'm happy with the high resolution in this version. 
  Thanks Jeff.

  td




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Derek Erb  <erb@e...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: Re: Printing accents

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	Shadow Desktop makes use of some tools to get printing done, 
and
> those tools aren't very international aware. You can do a "save 
as" HTML
> and then print the HTML to achieve similar results..

OK... understood... A workaround which at least lets me get the 
stuff in a printable format.  I can play with DreamWeaver and get it 
just the way I want afterwards... I can live with that for the 
moment.

Thanks,

*****
Derek Erb
Paris - FRANCE
*****

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:19pm
Subject: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

Shows up perfectly fine for me.  T615, LauncherX.  I changed to each icon display mode and the icon looks fine.

>> LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks polarized, it's
>> mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't show up right in
>> LauncherX.
>
>	One other person noticed this; I took a look and suer enough its
>true. I'm not sure if its Launcher X's fault or mine.. ie: The icon shows
>up correct in the built in launcher and other launchers.. which would
>suggest the problem is Launcher X. But its hard to say. I'm hoping Benc
>takes a peek and lets us know ;)
>
>		jeff
/

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Earthlink wrote:

> Checked, and interesting change.  I actually prefer the darker look I
> get with Launcher X since it does resemble the website.
> 
> Jeff, do you like the darker look?  What about asking Benc not to
> change it?  My thoughts.

	He has to fix it; if everyone liked an new dark icon, I could
change it. A bug should be fixed, and it should show the icons as they
are intended (ie: This one is mostly white, not black :) Especially a bug
which impares a primary function of the application..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Stephen Lang  <madmaxmedia@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:32pm
Subject: Is copy-and-paste from IE okay now?

Hey Jeff,

Did you happen to fix the file corruption issues with copy-and-paste 
to Shadow Desktop? I remember the problem had to do with weird 
characters getting copied from IE.

Also, thanks so much for the new Desktop- being able to 
promote/demote/move around items is awesome!!!

Thanks, Steve

From: Stephen Lang  <madmaxmedia@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:39pm
Subject: Re: Is copy-and-paste from IE okay now? (FOUND IT!)

Hi Jeff,

I searched the message archives and found your post regarding 
erroneous extra characters, so I'll test it myself. Thanks!!

If there's anything I should be aware of let me know, otherwise I 
should be good to go.

I'll post back if anything weird happens.

Thanks again,
Steve

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Stephen Lang" <madmaxmedia@y...> wrote:
> Hey Jeff,
> 
> Did you happen to fix the file corruption issues with copy-and-
paste 
> to Shadow Desktop? I remember the problem had to do with weird 
> characters getting copied from IE.
> 
> Also, thanks so much for the new Desktop- being able to 
> promote/demote/move around items is awesome!!!
> 
> Thanks, Steve

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:38am
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Earthlink wrote:

> As a note, I have the Tungsten and looked again.  It appears correct,
> the outline of a black box, blue inside that, with a black outline
> type paper with white scribbles across it...dark, like the website,
> shadow-like.  Isn't this the way it is supposed to look?  Very cool
> look in my opinion.

	I'll have to make a screenshot.. its a blue circle background,
with a black frame on an angle as paper (white paper, black edge). Theres
black writing on it (angled lines), with two black or blue circles.. so it
looks similar to other Palm OS icons. It doesn't look all black, unless
you're using Launcher X :) (It sort of looks like it used to, but higher
res)

		jeff


> Enjoy,
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin S. Giberson
> Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
> Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
> 262 East Lake Avenue
> Watsonville, CA  95076
> Office:  (831) 722-4500
> Fax:  (831) 722-4535
> kevin@g...
> 
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: DAJones99 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:25 AM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX
> 
> 
>   It sounds like it could be in the Active Skin seeing as it's 
>   different depending on the type of unit you have. That might explain 
>   why it shows fine on the Handera but not on other models.
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>   > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, tddisc wrote:
>   > 
>   > > The new program icon for Shadow 2.6.7 isn't displayed right in
>   > > LauncherX (htttp://www.launcherx.com). The icon looks polarized, 
>   it's
>   > > mostly dark.  It's the only program icon that doesn't show up 
>   right in
>   > > LauncherX.
>   > 
>   >       One other person noticed this; I took a look and suer enough 
>   its
>   > true. I'm not sure if its Launcher X's fault or mine.. ie: The icon 
>   shows
>   > up correct in the built in launcher and other launchers.. which 
>   would
>   > suggest the problem is Launcher X. But its hard to say. I'm hoping 
>   Benc
>   > takes a peek and lets us know ;)
>   > 
>   >             jeff
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:36am
Subject: Shadowlink jumping back/forth with Megawiki

If I jump from a ToDo to SP, MWs 'back' function doesn't work.  It
seems that shadowlink isn't adding the jump to MWs history (I assume
thats whats how MW knows the back/forth jumps).

Is there a way to use back/forward with shadowlink?

(The link is deliberatly severed so I can't use SPs link arrow to get
back.  I also am just used to jumping around with MWs back/forth).

Sorry if this has already been posted - I couldn't find anything on this.

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:05am
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX

i found it by clicking on the Applications icon (i.e., going out of Launcher X) then viewing the icon...very different, but I like the one in Launcher X with maybe a little fine tuning.  oh well, like that really matters much which icon!
Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX


  On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Earthlink wrote:

  > As a note, I have the Tungsten and looked again.  It appears correct,
  > the outline of a black box, blue inside that, with a black outline
  > type paper with white scribbles across it...dark, like the website,
  > shadow-like.  Isn't this the way it is supposed to look?  Very cool
  > look in my opinion.

        I'll have to make a screenshot.. its a blue circle background,
  with a black frame on an angle as paper (white paper, black edge). Theres
  black writing on it (angled lines), with two black or blue circles.. so it
  looks similar to other Palm OS icons. It doesn't look all black, unless
  you're using Launcher X :) (It sort of looks like it used to, but higher
  res)

              jeff


  > Enjoy,
  > Kevin
  > 
  > Kevin S. Giberson
  > Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
  > Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
  > 262 East Lake Avenue
  > Watsonville, CA  95076
  > Office:  (831) 722-4500
  > Fax:  (831) 722-4535
  > kevin@g...
  > 
  > ------------------------------
  > Enjoy life!
  > ------------------------------
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: DAJones99 
  >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:25 AM
  >   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow icon & LauncherX
  > 
  > 
  >   It sounds like it could be in the Active Skin seeing as it's 
  >   different depending on the type of unit you have. That might explain 
  >   why it shows fine on the Handera but not on other models.
  > 
  >   --- In