From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:33pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> > And if anyone else has done this, what's the best font you've found? I
> > have awful eyes, so I've tried the Garamond 14 bold (as my normal
> > font) and it's not quite right. Any suggestions?
> 
> 	I just use the Palm built-in "large" font, which in high-res mode
> is tiny, but not goofily-tiny :) (ie: Palm OS size 12 in Font Bucket
> speak, or the large font if not using Font Bucket)

	Just because I love replying to myself today :)

	If you want to see the "small" font (Palm 9 point standard) in
high res, you can check the screenshots page:

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/screenshots.html

	The top left screenshot is the small built in 9 point font being
used on the high density OS 5 Tungsten display.. *Tiny* :) Thats why I use
a little larger..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: Conduit suggestion

Jeff,
Is there anyway during sync to have the conduit automatically purge 
lists from ShadowPlan 160 that are no longer on the HH? I delete and 
change names of files often enough that I accumulate clutter there. 
Deleted files remain in the folder as well as the original list after 
a rename and then a sync. This clutter adds difficulty in opening up 
the right list, especially after a rename.

Paul

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 0:24am
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res

Thanks Jeff, that worked really well.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

	I just use the Palm built-in "large" font, which in high-res
mode
is tiny, but not goofily-tiny :) (ie: Palm OS size 12 in Font Bucket
speak, or the large font if not using Font Bucket)

		jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 1:06am
Subject: Re: Conduit suggestion

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> Is there anyway during sync to have the conduit automatically purge
> lists from ShadowPlan 160 that are no longer on the HH? I delete and
> change names of files often enough that I accumulate clutter there.  
> Deleted files remain in the folder as well as the original list after
> a rename and then a sync. This clutter adds difficulty in opening up
> the right list, especially after a rename.

	I plan on addinf a feature where we have an "Archive" directory in
the ShadowPlan160, and move un-handhelded files there. The trick of course
is that some people use desktop-only files, so how to deal with them?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 1:16am
Subject: RE: Conduit suggestion

Can't you just make it so some sort of flag the conduit gives a file
during sync (when the file is deleted from the handheld) so the desktop
would only move that kind of file at startup? Just ignore the
desktop-only files completely.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

	I plan on addinf a feature where we have an "Archive" directory
in
the ShadowPlan160, and move un-handhelded files there. The trick of
course
is that some people use desktop-only files, so how to deal with them?

		jeff

From: podemskir  <podemskir@y...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 4:27am
Subject: Simple Printing from the Desktop

Jeff,

I want to cast my vote again for simple printing functionality from 
the desktop.  I hate to bring up a competitor's product, but 
ThoughtManager has a nice printing function.  I am not a 
ThoughtManager fan because it is a very simple outliner and doesn't 
have all the other functions of Shadow, but at least the printing is 
straight forward. You can print a list with checkboxes or send a list
directly to WORD to include in a report.  

I would like Shadow to let me print my lists including the checked or 
blank checkboxes, etc.  Then I could refer to the printed 
list throughout the day when I am away from the desktop and don't
have the time or it would be awkward to scroll throught the list on 
the handheld.  As I go along throughout the day I can refer to and 
check off tasks as I work on them. At the end of the day I would 
transfer my new checked tasks to the desktop or handheld and sync.

Simple export to WORD would help when you need to include a list as
an outline in a report.

Thanks for keeping us "uncomplicated users" in mind.

Richard

From: Jim Schlichting  <jschlich@f...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 9:28am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 695 (On leave)

Hi,

I am out of the office today, but hope to return tomorrow.

Thanks.

  Jim

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Shadow conduit hangs after fard reset
           From: "mhdickens" <mkdickens@a...>
      2. Re: Shadow conduit hangs after fard reset
           From: "mhdickens" <mkdickens@a...>
      3. Re: Re: OS5 highres for Tungsten and Sony NX. Want it?
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
      4. Re: Shadow conduit hangs after fard reset
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
      5. Re: Dated note taking?
           From: "Griff" <keith@t...>
      6. Handera
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
      7. Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
      8. Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res
           From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
      9. Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     10. Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     11. Conduit suggestion
           From: "pfieldho_99" <pfieldho_99@y...>
     12. RE: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res
           From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
     13. Re: Conduit suggestion
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     14. RE: Conduit suggestion
           From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
     15. Simple Printing from the Desktop
           From: "podemskir" <podemskir@y...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:08:32 -0000
   From: "mhdickens" <mkdickens@a...>
Subject: Shadow conduit hangs after fard reset

Here's an interesting one.

I have a problem with my M105 in that when I change the batteries a 
hard reset ensues.

In the past everything has been recovered to my Palm.

The first time I went through this process with the new 2.6 conduit, 
the Conduit hung in the initial setup phase. The HH claimed to be 
syncing the To Do List.

I managed to recover using 2 Custom hotsyncs the first excluding 
Shadow and the second including ONLY Shadow.

Anyone any  ideas as to how to avoid this problem ?

Mark



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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:10:51 -0000
   From: "mhdickens" <mkdickens@a...>
Subject: Re: Shadow conduit hangs after fard reset

Er ...  I of course meant "hard reset"

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "mhdickens" <mkdickens@a...> wrote:
> Here's an interesting one.
> 
> I have a problem with my M105 in that when I change the batteries a 
> hard reset ensues.
> 
> In the past everything has been recovered to my Palm.
> 
> The first time I went through this process with the new 2.6 
conduit, 
> the Conduit hung in the initial setup phase. The HH claimed to be 
> syncing the To Do List.
> 
> I managed to recover using 2 Custom hotsyncs the first excluding 
> Shadow and the second including ONLY Shadow.
> 
> Anyone any  ideas as to how to avoid this problem ?
> 
> Mark



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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:13:58 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: OS5 highres for Tungsten and Sony NX. Want it?

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, gf_gollum wrote:

> >  http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow262a.zip

> Is this ONLY for the NX.. or can I try on on my OS4, NR70 with the
> same high res screen?

 Its the regular Shadow version, upped to alpha 2.6.2; it should
work identically on all non-OS5 units as 2.6.0 does. (ie: For you, it
offers high resolution as normal, but not yet virtual grafitti)

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:16:41 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Shadow conduit hangs after fard reset

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, mhdickens wrote:

> Here's an interesting one.
> I have a problem with my M105 in that when I change the batteries a 
> hard reset ensues.

 yeah, the new conduit seems to pause or hang during some hard
reset recoveries; it shoudln't be an issue.. next sync all is fine. I'm
not sure about details yet, but I expect it to be fixed in next update (in
a week or two or so hopefully). The issue is that on some Palm Desktops,
Shadow is being given a totally invalid set of data during hard reset
restorations, and the conduit gets hung thinking about it :/

> The first time I went through this process with the new 2.6 conduit, 
> the Conduit hung in the initial setup phase. The HH claimed to be 
> syncing the To Do List.
> 
> I managed to recover using 2 Custom hotsyncs the first excluding 
> Shadow and the second including ONLY Shadow.

 I think you just need to push hotsync again and it'll all work
second sync :/

 Fix coming.

> Anyone any  ideas as to how to avoid this problem ?

 It should be harmless (if a little odd).

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:49:14 -0000
   From: "Griff" <keith@t...>
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?

I use the list view and like having the date on the left...the reason 
is it doesn't waste a line for one event.  Your method would require 
two lines for days with only one appointment. To me that's more 
wasteful than the 8 characters wasted now.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Michael Davidson wrote:
> 
> >  I'd liek it to show 1 whole week, including undated todos, 
all in
> a long scrolling list. ie: If one day take sup 10 lines, and trhe 
next is
> 3 lines, thats cool. Using grids like DB5 is prone to is very
> wasteful.. an empty day or day with 1 item take sup as much room as 
a day
> with 10 items, excep ttrh day with 10 items you probably can't see 
them
> all.
> 
>  It needs to be the lsit view, but better. Efficient. Its not 
quite
> right in any of the views :)
> 
>  (I know I know, being hard on DB5 is unpopular, but you gotta
> admit I'm right ;)
> 
> > > > Thing Dt
> > > > --------
> > > > Thing
> > > > Thing Dt
> > > 
> > >  This is generally a UI nono, snice you see thing, then thing, 
then
> > > the date. So you see the date *after* the items you read. 
Usualyl you're
> > 
> > The palm screen is so small that it's really not an issue. You 
see the
> > date and the things all at once, or you train yourself to look at 
the
> > date. 
> 
>  I don't see any screenshots of Action Names list view, but it 
is
> vastly superior. Sadly, its the onyl feature I need out of a 
dateboko app,
> so I want DB5 to have it or I can't switch to DB5 withotu slownig 
msyelf
> down and breaking my existing hapyp little process :)
> 
>  ie:
> 
>  o One column
>  o List view; scroll list up and down
>  o Not little same-sized panels for each day.. that makes it 
so you
> must scroll eachlittle panel to see whats on in a given day
>  o Undated todos must be visible in the list.. top or bottom
>  o Efficient sue of space; no wastnig a quarter of each line 
for
> dates.
> 
> > >  List view is here:
> > > http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
> > >  It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
> > 
> > It looks clean and uncluttered to me! I'm beginning to feel like 
you have
> > something strange against DB5... ;)
> 
>  Uncluttered? Do you see how every line has a date? thats 100%
> wasted space.. if those items all happen to be on the same day. 
Thats *bad
> design* in every textbook you'll find :) CESD doesn't usualyl make 
goofy
> mistakes, but thats one of them.. it has to be an option: If you 
tend to
> have one item per day, its good. Very very few of people have 1 
thign
> going on each day :)
> 
>  No, I'm 100% all for DB5, and I really resent Iambic for their
> stunts. But they got list views just right :) I'm a develoepr and
> perfectionisty as you know.. and I have to have it *right* :)
> 
>  As I've said before.. if DB5 had a good lsit view, I'd switch 
in a
> second :)  So far my onyl alternative is to build my own simpel 
list view,
> since I cannto mroally use Iambic stuff unless I frogive them, and 
I've
> not thought about that yet. ut I have hopes they learned their 
lesson :/
> 
>   jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Handera


 OKay, I've gotten 5 people twisting my arm the last 2 days. If
I've let Handera support slide too much, I apologize. I've got a lot of
other forces at work (including thousands of non-Handera users ;), so as
usual.. the grit in the wheel does haev some power ;)

 I'll see what I can do; I'm not going to tackle all of it.. ie:
I'm not sure how many people really care about landscape mode, and if its
work.. it has to wait. But I'll see what I can do about highres support
and whatnot.

 Handera folks are like Mac folks ;)

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:08:38 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res


 This is a mini release to get you early adopters of the Palm
Tungsten T or the Sony NX70 high resolution. I know I couldn't spend
another hour in low resolution mode ;)

 Get it from the front page of the http://www.codejedi.com site!

 Theres a few little gotchas, but I figured you couldn't wait any
longer.

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 8
   Date: Tue,  5 Nov 2002 14:13:54 -0500
   From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res

Quoting Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>:

> 
>  This is a mini release to get you early adopters of the Palm
> Tungsten T or the Sony NX70 high resolution. I know I couldn't spend
> another hour in low resolution mode ;)
> 
>  Get it from the front page of the http://www.codejedi.com site!
> 
>  Theres a few little gotchas, but I figured you couldn't wait any
> longer.

What are the gotchas?? I didn't see anything mentioned on the site.

And if anyone else has done this, what's the best font you've found? I have 
awful eyes, so I've tried the Garamond 14 bold (as my normal font) and it's
not 
quite right. Any suggestions?


Jen
--
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:24:50 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> >  This is a mini release to get you early adopters of the Palm
> > Tungsten T or the Sony NX70 high resolution. I know I couldn't spend
> > another hour in low resolution mode ;)
> > 
> >  Get it from the front page of the http://www.codejedi.com site!
> > 
> >  Theres a few little gotchas, but I figured you couldn't wait any
> > longer.
> 
> What are the gotchas?? I didn't see anything mentioned on the site.

 The only one I found was that when you're drag-and-dropping that
the items you drag over can get funny looking (low-rezified), until the
drag is complete. Its simply temporary aesthetics.

> And if anyone else has done this, what's the best font you've found? I
> have awful eyes, so I've tried the Garamond 14 bold (as my normal
> font) and it's not quite right. Any suggestions?

 I just use the Palm built-in "large" font, which in high-res mode
is tiny, but not goofily-tiny :) (ie: Palm OS size 12 in Font Bucket
speak, or the large font if not using Font Bucket)

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:33:58 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> > And if anyone else has done this, what's the best font you've found? I
> > have awful eyes, so I've tried the Garamond 14 bold (as my normal
> > font) and it's not quite right. Any suggestions?
> 
>  I just use the Palm built-in "large" font, which in high-res mode
> is tiny, but not goofily-tiny :) (ie: Palm OS size 12 in Font Bucket
> speak, or the large font if not using Font Bucket)

 Just because I love replying to myself today :)

 If you want to see the "small" font (Palm 9 point standard) in
high res, you can check the screenshots page:

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/screenshots.html

 The top left screenshot is the small built in 9 point font being
used on the high density OS 5 Tungsten display.. *Tiny* :) Thats why I use
a little larger..

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:26:37 -0000
   From: "pfieldho_99" <pfieldho_99@y...>
Subject: Conduit suggestion

Jeff,
Is there anyway during sync to have the conduit automatically purge 
lists from ShadowPlan 160 that are no longer on the HH? I delete and 
change names of files often enough that I accumulate clutter there. 
Deleted files remain in the folder as well as the original list after 
a rename and then a sync. This clutter adds difficulty in opening up 
the right list, especially after a rename.

Paul



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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:24:38 -0600
   From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.6.2 gone beta.. OS 5 high-res

Thanks Jeff, that worked really well.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

 I just use the Palm built-in "large" font, which in high-res
mode
is tiny, but not goofily-tiny :) (ie: Palm OS size 12 in Font Bucket
speak, or the large font if not using Font Bucket)

  jeff




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Message: 13
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:06:46 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Conduit suggestion

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> Is there anyway during sync to have the conduit automatically purge
> lists from ShadowPlan 160 that are no longer on the HH? I delete and
> change names of files often enough that I accumulate clutter there.  
> Deleted files remain in the folder as well as the original list after
> a rename and then a sync. This clutter adds difficulty in opening up
> the right list, especially after a rename.

 I plan on addinf a feature where we have an "Archive" directory in
the ShadowPlan160, and move un-handhelded files there. The trick of course
is that some people use desktop-only files, so how to deal with them?

  jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 14
   Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:16:16 -0600
   From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
Subject: RE: Conduit suggestion

Can't you just make it so some sort of flag the conduit gives a file
during sync (when the file is deleted from the handheld) so the desktop
would only move that kind of file at startup? Just ignore the
desktop-only files completely.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

 I plan on addinf a feature where we have an "Archive" directory
in
the ShadowPlan160, and move un-handhelded files there. The trick of
course
is that some people use desktop-only files, so how to deal with them?

  jeff



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Message: 15
   Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:27:54 -0000
   From: "podemskir" <podemskir@y...>
Subject: Simple Printing from the Desktop

Jeff,

I want to cast my vote again for simple printing functionality from 
the desktop.  I hate to bring up a competitor's product, but 
ThoughtManager has a nice printing function.  I am not a 
ThoughtManager fan because it is a very simple outliner and doesn't 
have all the other functions of Shadow, but at least the printing is 
straight forward. You can print a list with checkboxes or send a list
directly to WORD to include in a report.  

I would like Shadow to let me print my lists including the checked or 
blank checkboxes, etc.  Then I could refer to the printed 
list throughout the day when I am away from the desktop and don't
have the time or it would be awkward to scroll throught the list on 
the handheld.  As I go along throughout the day I can refer to and 
check off tasks as I work on them. At the end of the day I would 
transfer my new checked tasks to the desktop or handheld and sync.

Simple export to WORD would help when you need to include a list as
an outline in a report.

Thanks for keeping us "uncomplicated users" in mind.

Richard




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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 1:06pm
Subject: Re: Simple Printing from the Desktop

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, podemskir wrote:

> I want to cast my vote again for simple printing functionality from
> the desktop.  I hate to bring up a competitor's product, but
> ThoughtManager has a nice printing function.  I am not a
> ThoughtManager fan because it is a very simple outliner and doesn't
> have all the other functions of Shadow, but at least the printing is
> straight forward. You can print a list with checkboxes or send a list
> directly to WORD to include in a report.

	For sure; once we get the Mac side to beta or release, we'll be
focusing on desktop feature growth (all platforms) for awhile; some
options for printing is large on my list.

> I would like Shadow to let me print my lists including the checked or
> blank checkboxes, etc.  Then I could refer to the printed list
> throughout the day when I am away from the desktop and don't have the
> time or it would be awkward to scroll throught the list on the
> handheld.  As I go along throughout the day I can refer to and check
> off tasks as I work on them. At the end of the day I would transfer my
> new checked tasks to the desktop or handheld and sync.
> 
> Simple export to WORD would help when you need to include a list as an
> outline in a report.

	You can do rudimentary exports now; a save-as HTML lets you view
or print from your browser or read into Word. Save-as TXT is a "titles
only" export so useful in some situations, and easily read into Word.

> Thanks for keeping us "uncomplicated users" in mind.

	you keep bringing up yourneeds so I know what will hel pyou, and
I'll keep delivering :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 1:10pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 695 (On leave)

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jim Schlichting wrote:

> I am out of the office today, but hope to return tomorrow.

	Please, if you are going somewhere, do not set up an auto-reply on
accounts that receive mailing lists, or at least disable your mailing
lists if you do. Its sort of a pain, but its also a pain for me to go
suspending you when you spam everyone with duplicates ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:38pm
Subject: Handera screenshot btw

In case anyone is curious:

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/screenshots/handera263.PNG

	Just a junk file of random typing, so we can see how much text you
can cram on there.

	If you want to test it (we need lots of testers! :), join
shadow-test and check the archives (a alpha was just posted a little while
ago).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Orion Protonentis  <lists@n...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 8:59pm
Subject: Re: Handera screenshot btw

I wasn't one of those twisting your arm for HandEra support, but am 
nonetheless appreciative... on my way to start testing...

Thanks!

-- 
Orion Protonentis <lists@n...>

From: quantum_sequoia  <sdwinter@p...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 2:48am
Subject: Managing Tags

In trying to move a handful of separate Shadow lists into one larger 
list (with each item having numerous tags for eventual filtering), I 
find it takes a fair amount of time to individually add each tag to 
each item. If I'm bringing in 200 items and each can have an average 
of 5 tags, then that's 1000 different assignments I need to make. 
Maybe there is a better way to do this. What about, in addition to 
the current "Add Tag" method, using a more 2 dimensional method of 
managing tags? Have a screen that looks like this:

    Tag #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 <>
Item
Item 1   X  X  X  X
Item 2   X     X     X
Item 3      X  X
Item 4      X     X  X
Item 5         X

The row of tags could be scrolled sideways within a given tag 
category. The column of items could be scrolled up and down based on 
the current filtered list. The center section would move up & down or 
back & forth with the top row or left column. Tapping the 
intersection of an item and a tag would put assign that tag to that 
item. An X would appear to denote the assignment. Tapping a displayed 
X would remove the link between the tag and the item. Using such an 
interface would make it easier to set multiple tags for a given item 
or assign one or more tags to multiple items.

Comments? Is this even feasible?

Thanks!

From: Steven Whatley  <swhatley@h...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 4:23am
Subject: Keyboard Friendly but ...

Hi all,

Last week I got a Palm Portable Keyboard for my HandEra 330.  I was quite 
surprised to see how keyboard friendly Shadow Plan is.  

<space> = demote
<backspace> = promote
<left arror> = collapse current level
<right arrot> = Expand current item
Cmd A = View note
...

The only one I can't get to work from the keyboard is:

Cmd <space> = Toggle checkbox

The graffiti strokes work but not the keyboard equivalent.

The keyboard sequence brings up the on-screen keyboard.  Is there any way
to prevent the OS from bringing up this keyboard and allow the sequence to
go to Shadow?

Thanks,
Steven

From: clifton_cc  <cclifton@a...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 5:00am
Subject: Re: OS5 highres for Tungsten and Sony NX. Want it?

I'm a bit leary about toggling the checkbox with the center button. 
Most of my filters screen out the checked items.  My concern is that
if I accidentally toggle while navigating, then I have to change to a
different filter, find the item again, and uncheck it.

I would vote for center button expands link menu so I can navigate to
linked items.

-- Curt

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...> wrote:
> 	However, with the above scheme, we have the center button
> entirely
> unused. I thought we could use it to toggle collapse maybe, or toggle
> checkbox, or somesuch..
> 
> Toggle checkbox, since expand/collapse work with left and right!
> 
> Jen
> 
> -------------
> PocketGoddess
> http://www.pocketgoddess.com
> 98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:11am
Subject: Still have that bad syncing feeling

I am still unable to select any different custom sync settings other 
than the defaults on my work computer - Win2k. I think this is due to 
my work's security measures and requirements for administrator 
priviliges to accomplish some tasks. Today I tried to convert a PDF 
file using the Adobe Reader Palm Desktop tool and my computer gave me 
a message saying that that task required administrator priviliges. 

Other then that I'm loving the new conduit in terms of NO occurences 
of doubled items in my lists and I do have all the other capabilities 
on my home computer.

I'm likeing the new capabilities of the desktop as well ... but give 
us something new and many of us get ideas for more, don't we? Would 
it be possible, and practical, to add the capability of some keyboard 
shortcuts to initiate some tasks? Especially new item, new child. 
This would enhance what you've already done to make list development 
easier through the desktop interface.

I have some other thoughts/suggestions/and buggy items in addition to 
the above but I kind of hold to the approach of dribbling one or two 
things out at a time and see if they resonate with other shadow-
discuss group members.

Paul

From: C. Ward Yelverton  <ward@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: RE: Simple Printing from the Desktop

Jeff-
Just for the record on the issue of printing:  I'm about to have to
abandon Shadow due to the lack of print ability from the Palm.  I
evaluated Shadow for preparing drafts of specifications and other
engineering documents while in the field, and the main use for test and
inspection check lists and recording comments during start-up
commissioning of drawbridges (my specialty).  

SP does a perfect job for me until I get ready to leave the meeting or
job site when I MUST leave a copy, especially of a inspection Punch
List, for the contractor to correct.  It can't wait several days until I
return to my office and can cut/paste or whatever into word; and I don't
carry a laptop with me (that's the reason for the PDA).

I carry both a IR linked hp-dj340 printer and a mini SiPix Pocket
Printer AT in my field kit so am ready to print.  I'm not concerned much
about formatting as long as it's legible and the outline order is
maintained (I usually use "legal" numbering so don't even need
indenting), but I must be able to share the results with the contractor
and other participants in the meeting (and no, most of them do not use
PDA's and beaming to other installations of Shadow is not a option.
Contract requirements insist on hard copy reports).

The necessity to share work with others is so primary to almost
everything I do (except my contact list and calendar) that I was
surprised how little support printing gets in both Shadow and most other
outliners.  Must be a lot of very non-communicative PDA users in the
world.  Anyway, it appears that I'm in the vast minority of SP users so
understand why my needs don't get up very high on your to-do list ... or
is it that the majority of folks who need printed output just don't
consider or use Shadow?  A wonderment.

	Ward Y...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:07 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Simple Printing from the Desktop

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, podemskir wrote:

> I want to cast my vote again for simple printing functionality from
> the desktop.  I hate to bring up a competitor's product, but
> ThoughtManager has a nice printing function.  I am not a
> ThoughtManager fan because it is a very simple outliner and doesn't
> have all the other functions of Shadow, but at least the printing is
> straight forward. You can print a list with checkboxes or send a list
> directly to WORD to include in a report.

	For sure; once we get the Mac side to beta or release, we'll be
focusing on desktop feature growth (all platforms) for awhile; some
options for printing is large on my list.

> I would like Shadow to let me print my lists including the checked or
> blank checkboxes, etc.  Then I could refer to the printed list
> throughout the day when I am away from the desktop and don't have the
> time or it would be awkward to scroll throught the list on the
> handheld.  As I go along throughout the day I can refer to and check
> off tasks as I work on them. At the end of the day I would transfer my
> new checked tasks to the desktop or handheld and sync.
> 
> Simple export to WORD would help when you need to include a list as an
> outline in a report.

	You can do rudimentary exports now; a save-as HTML lets you view
or print from your browser or read into Word. Save-as TXT is a "titles
only" export so useful in some situations, and easily read into Word.

> Thanks for keeping us "uncomplicated users" in mind.

	you keep bringing up yourneeds so I know what will hel pyou, and
I'll keep delivering :)

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:37pm
Subject: Re: Managing Tags

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, quantum_sequoia wrote:

> In trying to move a handful of separate Shadow lists into one larger
> list (with each item having numerous tags for eventual filtering), I
> find it takes a fair amount of time to individually add each tag to
> each item. If I'm bringing in 200 items and each can have an average
> of 5 tags, then that's 1000 different assignments I need to make.  
> Maybe there is a better way to do this. What about, in addition to the
> current "Add Tag" method, using a more 2 dimensional method of
> managing tags? Have a screen that looks like this:

	An interesting idea, but I woudl rather come at things from
analyzing the root needs and causes; ie: Your real need is to assign 1000
tags (damn, 5 tags on *every* item?! :), so perhaps instead of defining a
keen but comlpex and all new interface, you really just need a fast way fo
mass-tagging? ie: "Assign this tag to all items in this sublevel", that
sort of thing. PErhaps a simple coupel of taps to do a mass assign would
be mroe efficient use of resources?

>     Tag #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 <>
> Item
> Item 1   X  X  X  X
> Item 2   X     X     X
> Item 3      X  X
> Item 4      X     X  X
> Item 5         X

	Keen idea though. I bet you've used some now defunct desktop
outliners ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:38pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard Friendly but ...

On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Steven Whatley wrote:

> The only one I can't get to work from the keyboard is:
> Cmd <space> = Toggle checkbox
> 
> The graffiti strokes work but not the keyboard equivalent.
> 
> The keyboard sequence brings up the on-screen keyboard.  Is there any way
> to prevent the OS from bringing up this keyboard and allow the sequence to
> go to Shadow?

	Is there anything you can configure in your keyboard driver
application?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:48pm
Subject: Re: Still have that bad syncing feeling

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I am still unable to select any different custom sync settings other
> than the defaults on my work computer - Win2k. I think this is due to

	The defaults are likely what you need anyway ;)

	What happens? You hit Custom -> Shadow -> Change in Hotsync
Manager, and the Shadow conduit dialog comes up:

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-current/manual/images-dt/hscustom.jpg

	If you change the values, and come back, has anythign changed?

	Are you using "set as default" or no?

> my work's security measures and requirements for administrator
> priviliges to accomplish some tasks. Today I tried to convert a PDF
> file using the Adobe Reader Palm Desktop tool and my computer gave me
> a message saying that that task required administrator priviliges.

	That is strange.

> Other then that I'm loving the new conduit in terms of NO occurences
> of doubled items in my lists and I do have all the other capabilities
> on my home computer.
> 
> I'm likeing the new capabilities of the desktop as well ... but give
> us something new and many of us get ideas for more, don't we? Would it
> be possible, and practical, to add the capability of some keyboard
> shortcuts to initiate some tasks? Especially new item, new child.  
> This would enhance what you've already done to make list development
> easier through the desktop interface.

	You can use Ctrl-N and Ctrl-M for new item and new child, thuogh I
may change those (which is why they're undocumented right now ;)

> I have some other thoughts/suggestions/and buggy items in addition to
> the above but I kind of hold to the approach of dribbling one or two
> things out at a time and see if they resonate with other shadow-
> discuss group members.

	Bring 'em on ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rcm_ox  <rcm_ox@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 3:50pm
Subject: Shadow on windows

Is there a way of running the windows shadow plan component alone? I 
only have a hotsync cradle on my home PC but would find shadow for 
windows useful in the office.
Thanks,
Roy

From: swhatley@h...
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard Friendly but ...

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:38:16 -0500 (EST)
 Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Steven Whatley wrote:
>
>> The only one I can't get to work from the keyboard is:
>> Cmd <space> = Toggle checkbox
>> 
>> The graffiti strokes work but not the keyboard equivalent.
>> 
>> The keyboard sequence brings up the on-screen keyboard.  Is there any way
>> to prevent the OS from bringing up this keyboard and allow the sequence to
>> go to Shadow?
>
>	Is there anything you can configure in your keyboard driver
>application?

Not that I can see.  I will geve a new version of the driver a try.

Thanks,
Steven

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 4:35pm
Subject: RE: Simple Printing from the Desktop

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, C. Ward Yelverton wrote:

> Just for the record on the issue of printing:  I'm about to have to
> abandon Shadow due to the lack of print ability from the Palm.  I
> evaluated Shadow for preparing drafts of specifications and other
> engineering documents while in the field, and the main use for test
> and inspection check lists and recording comments during start-up
> commissioning of drawbridges (my specialty).

	Cool (the drawbridges part, not the leaving shadow part :)

	Ever use Exporting to achieve printing?

> SP does a perfect job for me until I get ready to leave the meeting or
> job site when I MUST leave a copy, especially of a inspection Punch
> List, for the contractor to correct.  It can't wait several days until
> I return to my office and can cut/paste or whatever into word; and I
> don't carry a laptop with me (that's the reason for the PDA).

	Very few people need printing from the PDA directly; as such it
must be low on my priority list. Few people have an IR or bluetooth
printer around. I get 1 message every 4 or 6 months asking for printing
from the PDA, while I get 50 a day for other things. (This however I
expect to grow over the next while, as we push more and more into business
amrkets, and ask the business markets get mroe into wireless)

	Of course, you can always export to memo or DOC and print from
those.. theres dozens of appliactions which can print to IR from those
formats. Thats always been the avenue I've pursued for printing, due to
the limited audience.

> maintained (I usually use "legal" numbering so don't even need
> indenting), but I must be able to share the results with the
> contractor and other participants in the meeting (and no, most of them
> do not use PDA's and beaming to other installations of Shadow is not a
> option. Contract requirements insist on hard copy reports).

	Sounds like a cool system you've got going. Thats one portable
office you've got!

> The necessity to share work with others is so primary to almost
> everything I do (except my contact list and calendar) that I was
> surprised how little support printing gets in both Shadow and most
> other outliners.  Must be a lot of very non-communicative PDA users in
> the world.  Anyway, it appears that I'm in the vast minority of SP
> users so understand why my needs don't get up very high on your to-do
> list ... or is it that the majority of folks who need printed output
> just don't consider or use Shadow?  A wonderment.

	PDAs are about mobility, and very few people have a printer where
they are, or on the road. As such, PDA people who print is a very small
minority of PDA users in general (from statistics, not guesses). 99% of
PDA owners will print from the desktop application. However, what is
interesting is it is a changing trend.. as more and more IR and bluetooth
devices get out there, peripherals are starting to catch up. Bluetooth
hard drives for remote data stores, phones that can IR print, etc. Most of
this is going on in Europe, but is coming over to the US and Canada slowly
these days..

	So I think things will change over the next year or two, and I do
intend on looking into PrintBoy and other toolkits in awhile, once OS5
settles down (who knows what printing options will be available for OS5 in
a while). I do have a growing segment of print folks, and I do not intend
on letting them hang.

	Hope the exporting can help you out. If you need a better export
format, let me know and I can work on that.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 4:36pm
Subject: Re: Shadow on windows

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, rcm_ox wrote:

> Is there a way of running the windows shadow plan component alone? I 
> only have a hotsync cradle on my home PC but would find shadow for 
> windows useful in the office.

	How would you move the files back and forth? floppies?

	BTW, you can install Shadow Desktop if Palm Desktop has been
installed. So just download and install Palm Desktop, then install Shadow
Desktop, and you'll be fine, without a PDA.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kelly  <kkfitchmun@e...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 4:47pm
Subject: "Un-expand" links?

Iıve searched for an answer in the manual and in the archives to no avail,
so Iım turning to you folks for help.

For kicks, Iıve been playing with the Links and Tags features (very cool),
and I selected ³Expand Links² from the pop-up menu. Great, I see the
possibilities... However, now I want to get rid of the extra two lines that
itıs taking up on my screen. I donıt see any obvious way of doing this in
the Links Manager. What am I missing?

TIA

Kelly Kim 


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 5:30pm
Subject: Re: "Un-expand" links?

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kelly wrote:

> Iıve searched for an answer in the manual and in the archives to no avail,
> so Iım turning to you folks for help.
> 
> For kicks, Iıve been playing with the Links and Tags features (very
> cool), and I selected ³Expand Links² from the pop-up menu. Great, I
> see the possibilities... However, now I want to get rid of the extra
> two lines that itıs taking up on my screen. I donıt see any obvious
> way of doing this in the Links Manager. What am I missing?

	Expand Links and Collapse Links are only available from the List
View screen, link arrow. The link arrow shows up on the right hand side
like this "->", but only if you've not turned it off. (A custom View lets
you not include the link arrow, but all the built in views have it).

	Tap on the link arrow to see either Expand Links or Collapse
Links, depending.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kelly  <kkfitchmun@e...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: Re: "Un-expand" links?

Thanks, Jeff. I was tapping the link arrow below the item (i.e., next to the
expanded links). Doh! Silly me...

Kelly

on 11/7/02 9:30 AM, Jeff Mitchell at support@s... wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kelly wrote:
[snip]
>> I selected ³Expand Links² from the pop-up menu. Great, I
>> see the possibilities... However, now I want to get rid of the extra
>> two lines that itıs taking up on my screen. I donıt see any obvious
>> way of doing this in the Links Manager. What am I missing?
> 
> Expand Links and Collapse Links are only available from the List
> View screen, link arrow. The link arrow shows up on the right hand side
> like this "->", but only if you've not turned it off. (A custom View lets
> you not include the link arrow, but all the built in views have it).
> 
> Tap on the link arrow to see either Expand Links or Collapse
> Links, depending.
> 
> jeff
>

From: rcm_ox  <rcm_ox@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 7:52pm
Subject: Re: Shadow on windows

Thanks Jeff! Some of the tasks in the office wouldn't need the 
handheld and I don't want to get another outline/ list manager. If I 
do need to transfer files between the office and home, I have yahoo 
breifcase setup.



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, rcm_ox wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way of running the windows shadow plan component 
alone? I 
> > only have a hotsync cradle on my home PC but would find shadow 
for 
> > windows useful in the office.
> 
> 	How would you move the files back and forth? floppies?
> 
> 	BTW, you can install Shadow Desktop if Palm Desktop has been
> installed. So just download and install Palm Desktop, then install 
Shadow
> Desktop, and you'll be fine, without a PDA.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: C. Ward Yelverton  <ward@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 8:43pm
Subject: RE: Simple Printing from the Desktop

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

>	Cool (the drawbridges part, not the leaving shadow part :)
>	Ever use Exporting to achieve printing?

Hanging head, I hadn't found the "Export" function in the PDA.  Now that
I've dug it out, I will experiment.  Exporting to pEdit if the proper
data goes over is an acceptable solution.  If I just RTFM, maybe I can
stay in the Shadow after all ... 

>	Very few people need printing from the PDA directly; as such it
>	must be low on my priority list. Few people have an IR or
bluetooth
>	printer around. 

This is what I find surprising ... that so many people are entering data
for their own enjoyment (?) without any need to share this data with
others.  My own experience, both DT and PDA, is the exact opposite.  I
seem to always have to print or fax.

	Ward Y...



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From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell@p...>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 8:57pm
Subject: Re: "Un-expand" links?

Speaking of which, I'd love an option to toggle this for a whole list (Collapse/Expand all links)  Just thot I'd throw that out incase you were bord ;)


>like this "->", but only if you've not turned it off. (A custom View lets
>you not include the link arrow, but all the built in views have it).
>
>	Tap on the link arrow to see either Expand Links or Collapse
>Links, depending.
>
>		jeff


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From: bombrsx4me  <bombrsx4me@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 0:19am
Subject: printboy

Will we see printboy integration?

thanks

From: Stephen Lang  <madmaxmedia@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 0:42am
Subject: Re: Simple Printing from the Desktop

The xslt files for direct viewing of the XML files are very good, 
you may be able to customize it to your printing needs.

I don't need to create checkboxes and such, so haven't tried.

Thanks, Steve

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:48am
Subject: Re: "Un-expand" links?

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Speaking of which, I'd love an option to toggle this for a whole list
> (Collapse/Expand all links)  Just thot I'd throw that out incase you
> were bord ;)

	Menus are full ;)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:49am
Subject: RE: Simple Printing from the Desktop

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, C. Ward Yelverton wrote:

> >	Very few people need printing from the PDA directly; as such it
> >	must be low on my priority list. Few people have an IR or
> bluetooth
> >	printer around. 
> 
> This is what I find surprising ... that so many people are entering
> data for their own enjoyment (?) without any need to share this data
> with others.  My own experience, both DT and PDA, is the exact
> opposite.  I seem to always have to print or fax.

	PDA's are generally personal; but when data sharing is needed it
usually is done through the desktop (email, etc).

	Can you get a bluetooth interface for printers I wonder?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:50am
Subject: Re: printboy

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:

> Will we see printboy integration?

	Eventually; its not high on my priorities because it is mentioned
very little by anyone. Perhaps I should make a poll??

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Tom Allebrandi  <tom@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 2:00am
Subject: RE: Shadow on windows

Jeff said
> BTW, you can install Shadow Desktop if Palm Desktop has
> been  installed. So just download and install Palm Desktop,
> then install Shadow  Desktop, and you'll be fine, without a PDA.

I did that, but when I go to delete an item it says that it won't be deleted
until the next HotSync. In this configuration, I'll never do a HotSync, so
how do I make the deleted item go away?

Shadow Desktop 1.2.5

--- tom
tom allebrandi
tom@y...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 2:18am
Subject: RE: Shadow on windows

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Tom Allebrandi wrote:

> > BTW, you can install Shadow Desktop if Palm Desktop has
> > been  installed. So just download and install Palm Desktop,
> > then install Shadow  Desktop, and you'll be fine, without a PDA.
> 
> I did that, but when I go to delete an item it says that it won't be deleted
> until the next HotSync. In this configuration, I'll never do a HotSync, so
> how do I make the deleted item go away?
> 
> Shadow Desktop 1.2.5

	Ahh, quite. I'll add a "force purge" to the Expert or List menu,
then?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 3:44am
Subject: Re: printboy

Quoting Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>:

> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:
> 
> > Will we see printboy integration?
> 
> 	Eventually; its not high on my priorities because it is mentioned
> very little by anyone. Perhaps I should make a poll??
> 

Please do. I would LOVE to see PrintBoy support. I am trying hard to break free 
of the laptop chains that bind me, and being able to print Shadow would sure 
help.


Jen
--
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:00am
Subject: Re: printboy

would also LOVE it if you had print support through Printboy for the Palm, as i generally use it compared to the desktop portion!
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: PocketGoddess 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] printboy


  Quoting Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>:

  > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, bombrsx4me wrote:
  > 
  > > Will we see printboy integration?
  > 
  >       Eventually; its not high on my priorities because it is mentioned
  > very little by anyone. Perhaps I should make a poll??
  > 

  Please do. I would LOVE to see PrintBoy support. I am trying hard to break free 
  of the laptop chains that bind me, and being able to print Shadow would sure 
  help.


  Jen
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From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:18am
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

Do you want to print from your handheld?
We're talking printing via infrared or
perhaps bluetooth.. not via your desktop
(whih you can do through Shadow Desktop). 

  o If I could, I'd be printing from Shadow handheld right now! 
  o I intend on buying and using Printboy (or similar) very soon (the next few months) 
  o I probably wouldn't ever print from my handheld (use desktop to do so, or I just don't print!) 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/surveys?id=999741  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:19am
Subject: Re: printboy

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> would also LOVE it if you had print support through Printboy for the
> Palm, as i generally use it compared to the desktop portion!

	IR printer in the office?

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 5:01am
Subject: Re: printboy

hmmm, yes i believe.  do i just need something like printboy to do that?  do you need to do anything special to shadowplan?  curious, as i never thought about it until the discussion today, and now want to know how simple this could actually be...
thanks for any additional info you can provide.
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] printboy


  On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > would also LOVE it if you had print support through Printboy for the
  > Palm, as i generally use it compared to the desktop portion!

        IR printer in the office?

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
  -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 11:32am
Subject: Re: "Un-expand" links?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Anthony Schellenberg <aschell@p...> wrote:
> Speaking of which, I'd love an option to toggle this for a whole list 
(Collapse/Expand all links)  Just thot I'd throw that out incase you were bord 
;)

Ah yes, that would be wonderful. I usually end up with a looong list with 
expanded links after reviewing all projects and checking their tags. Would be 
great not having to manually collapse them all afterwards.

/jonaz

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: printboy

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> hmmm, yes i believe.  do i just need something like printboy to do
> that?  do you need to do anything special to shadowplan?  curious, as
> i never thought about it until the discussion today, and now want to
> know how simple this could actually be...

	The developer has to build a print system, so its a lot of work.

	(And due to how infrequently I've been asked about it, I've always
said so far to just do a DOC export and print the DOC :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 1:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: "Un-expand" links?

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, jonaz wrote:

> > Speaking of which, I'd love an option to toggle this for a whole list 
> (Collapse/Expand all links)  Just thot I'd throw that out incase you were bord 
> ;)
> 
> Ah yes, that would be wonderful. I usually end up with a looong list with 
> expanded links after reviewing all projects and checking their tags. Would be 
> great not having to manually collapse them all afterwards.

	Damn, I really need to create a hierarchical pulldown menu
system. We just don't have enough menu space :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 2:26pm
Subject: Re: Still have that bad syncing feeling

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:
> 
> > I am still unable to select any different custom sync settings 
other
> > than the defaults on my work computer - Win2k. I think this is 
due to
> 
> 	The defaults are likely what you need anyway ;)

Yes, fortunately the defaults are what I would use more than 90% of 
the time anyway.

> 
> 	What happens? You hit Custom -> Shadow -> Change in Hotsync
> Manager, and the Shadow conduit dialog comes up:
> 
> http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-current/manual/images-
dt/hscustom.jpg

Yes, I get to this window no problem.
> 
> 	If you change the values, and come back, has anythign changed?
> 

No, when I come back the selections have reverted to the defaults.

> 	Are you using "set as default" or no?
> 

I've tried it both ways to no avail. Also Ive tried "locking" a 
setting different than the defaults by checking "set as default" but 
the settings will revert to the defaults and the checkbox will have 
cleared itself, even though I left it checked.

> > Would it be possible, and practical, to add the capability of 
some keyboard
> > shortcuts to initiate some tasks? Especially new item, new 
child.  
> 
> 	You can use Ctrl-N and Ctrl-M for new item and new child, 
thuogh I
> may change those (which is why they're undocumented right now ;)
> 
I'll try those out AND at the same time I'll be half expecting a 
change. Thanks

Paul

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 3:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Still have that bad syncing feeling

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I've tried it both ways to no avail. Also Ive tried "locking" a
> setting different than the defaults by checking "set as default" but
> the settings will revert to the defaults and the checkbox will have
> cleared itself, even though I left it checked.

	That is correct behaviour; when you check "set as default" and
then hit OK, the settings become the default. Next time you open it up,
you are now defining either new temporary settings, unless you check them
to be set as default.

	Do a fresh sync so everything is all clear and the current temp
settings are all used up, and then go into it, set it up differently, set
as default and hit OK, then go back in, and the checkbox shuold be
cleared, however the values shuold be the same.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Guess  <tcatnat@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 4:34pm
Subject: Uninstall

I installed the desktop application and cannot uninstall. How do I do 
this? I keep getting could not load error message. I used the 2.6 
setup exe on Windows 2000.

Thanks.

From: C. Ward Yelverton  <ward@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: RE: printboy

FWIW, I'm using PalmPrint ... it has done such a good job for me that I
haven't looked at Printboy.  But I suspect they both do about the same
job and if you support one you support the other.

I fully support using such a print utility and you concentrate on SP's
unique abilities.  For you to go into the print system business would be
ridiculous ... not to mention the eternal task of chasing new printers
and hardware.

	Ward Y...


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

	The developer has to build a print system, so its a lot of work.

	(And due to how infrequently I've been asked about it, I've
always
said so far to just do a DOC export and print the DOC :)

		jeff




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From: C. Ward Yelverton  <ward@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: RE: printboy

Personally, if I'm in the office I would prefer to hotsync and print
from the pc, either from SP-DT or export to a text or word editor for
better formatting.  Don't ever expect SP-PDA to have full print
formatting capability.

Can't really figure out why would ever want IR link in office.  For
laptop, prefer wireless LAN connection for much faster 2-way (in future,
probably Bluetooth).

My IR is all for field use where the PDA is on it's own.  SiPix mini
printer is especially great because of it's tiny size.  Yep, not for
fast, full page size, or high production ... but perfect for the "get
by" pass out temp hard copy until I can get back to the office and get
the document(s) properly formatted.

In my professional life the PDA is a field data acquisition and
reference tool that I can use to present a checklist to be checked,
dated, and remarked; and to enter field notes and report text to be
edited and formatted once I return to the office.  Of course the PDA
also serves as a portable reference to my contacts and calendar, but
that's a separate issue and not involved with the need for printing.

When engineer's take paper notes on pads or in field notebooks, they can
photocopy those manuscript notes and leave them for reference by others
(no matter how crude and incomplete they are).  I have the same need to
leave a hard copy of my PDA work-in-process ... or I have to go back to
paper and pencil.

	Ward Y...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:20 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] printboy

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> would also LOVE it if you had print support through Printboy for the
> Palm, as i generally use it compared to the desktop portion!

	IR printer in the office?




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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 5:12pm
Subject: RE: printboy

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, C. Ward Yelverton wrote:

> FWIW, I'm using PalmPrint ... it has done such a good job for me that I
> haven't looked at Printboy.  But I suspect they both do about the same
> job and if you support one you support the other.
> 
> I fully support using such a print utility and you concentrate on SP's
> unique abilities.  For you to go into the print system business would be
> ridiculous ... not to mention the eternal task of chasing new printers
> and hardware.

	No, I mean.. each developer ahs to build a lot of code to
interface to PrintBoy or PalmPrint or the other systems; they dont'
magicly know how to read Sahdow files, nor format them for printnig, and
Shadow can't magicly know how to talk to these print solutions or provide
intrerfaces for pritn options etc. So adding print support to a Palm
applciations is quite an extensive undertaking..

	(without even thinking about writing a new print system, which
would be suicide :)

		jeff

> 
> 	Ward Y...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
> 
> 	The developer has to build a print system, so its a lot of work.
> 
> 	(And due to how infrequently I've been asked about it, I've
> always
> said so far to just do a DOC export and print the DOC :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Uninstall

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Guess wrote:

> I installed the desktop application and cannot uninstall. How do I do 
> this? I keep getting could not load error message. I used the 2.6 
> setup exe on Windows 2000.

	You mean you cannot find the uninstaller, or cannot operate it for
some reason?

	ie: It should be in Add/Remove programs as soemthign to do with
Codejedi.

	If it fails, you can always just delete all the files where you
had it install them, and remove ShadowPlan2.dll (do a file find for it ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Tom Allebrandi  <tom@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:32pm
Subject: RE: Shadow on windows

>> I did that, but when I go to delete an
>> item it says that it won't be deleted
>> until the next HotSync. In this configuration,
>> I'll never do a HotSync, so how do I make the
>> deleted item go away?
>
> Ahh, quite. I'll add a "force purge" to the Expert
> or List menu, then?

Jeff -

That would be helpful. Thanks!

--- tom
Tom Allebrandi
tom@y...

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: printboy

as you said, that is your personal preference for your use...
for me, when I am not at or near my desktop that has the desktop version, I would love the ability to be able to print to another printer, or to just print instead of having to go startup and run my desktop program.  many times I just want a hard copy of what I have to jot notes on or work at changes from a larger view, and thus printing from the pda would allow that.  since many are beginning to use shadowplan as their ONE all inclusive planner, printing from it would seem to be the next step!  my thoughts.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: C. Ward Yelverton 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:06 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] printboy


  Personally, if I'm in the office I would prefer to hotsync and print
  from the pc, either from SP-DT or export to a text or word editor for
  better formatting.  Don't ever expect SP-PDA to have full print
  formatting capability.

  Can't really figure out why would ever want IR link in office.  For
  laptop, prefer wireless LAN connection for much faster 2-way (in future,
  probably Bluetooth).

  My IR is all for field use where the PDA is on it's own.  SiPix mini
  printer is especially great because of it's tiny size.  Yep, not for
  fast, full page size, or high production ... but perfect for the "get
  by" pass out temp hard copy until I can get back to the office and get
  the document(s) properly formatted.

  In my professional life the PDA is a field data acquisition and
  reference tool that I can use to present a checklist to be checked,
  dated, and remarked; and to enter field notes and report text to be
  edited and formatted once I return to the office.  Of course the PDA
  also serves as a portable reference to my contacts and calendar, but
  that's a separate issue and not involved with the need for printing.

  When engineer's take paper notes on pads or in field notebooks, they can
  photocopy those manuscript notes and leave them for reference by others
  (no matter how crude and incomplete they are).  I have the same need to
  leave a hard copy of my PDA work-in-process ... or I have to go back to
  paper and pencil.

        Ward Y...

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:20 PM
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] printboy

  On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

  > would also LOVE it if you had print support through Printboy for the
  > Palm, as i generally use it compared to the desktop portion!

        IR printer in the office?




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From: Guess  <tcatnat@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Uninstall

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Guess wrote:
> 
> > I installed the desktop application and cannot uninstall. How do 
I do 
> > this? I keep getting could not load error message. I used the 2.6 
> > setup exe on Windows 2000.
> 
> 	You mean you cannot find the uninstaller, or cannot operate 
it for
> some reason?
> 
> 	ie: It should be in Add/Remove programs as soemthign to do 
with
> Codejedi.
> 
> 	If it fails, you can always just delete all the files where 
you
> had it install them, and remove ShadowPlan2.dll (do a file find for 
it ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

Thanks Jeff,

I tried to uninstall it through the Add/Remove programs and keep 
getting an error message. I will try to delete the files individually 
as you recomend.

From: msmietanka  <msmietanka@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 8:45pm
Subject: Re: Simple Printing from the Desktop

I am also new to Shadow Plan and use it for projects at work. I very 
much would like to share some of my lists with co-workers or print 
for my own use from the desktop.
Ideally, the desktop version will have more of the functionality of 
the Palm, much like HanDBase.  I would like to print out a filter of 
the list -- this would allow me to use one master list for all 
organizing and then filter out what I need for others or for myself 
in a given situation.

I think Shadow Plan is so powerful that it would be a formidable 
desktop program if the desktop component had more features.

Congratulations on creating a wonderful program.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, C. Ward Yelverton wrote:
> 
> > >	Very few people need printing from the PDA directly; as such 
it
> > >	must be low on my priority list. Few people have an IR or
> > bluetooth
> > >	printer around. 
> > 
> > This is what I find surprising ... that so many people are 
entering
> > data for their own enjoyment (?) without any need to share this 
data
> > with others.  My own experience, both DT and PDA, is the exact
> > opposite.  I seem to always have to print or fax.
> 
> 	PDA's are generally personal; but when data sharing is needed 
it
> usually is done through the desktop (email, etc).
> 
> 	Can you get a bluetooth interface for printers I wonder?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: Simple Printing from the Desktop

but do remember this Jeff, from what i can see most new printers are putting in the IR capability, and seems the new OS 5 pda's will have bluetooth installed, the capability to install it, etc.  these inclusions are right around the corner, and the more ahead of the game you are it seems the more people will come to your product and give it better reviews!!!
just a marketing thought...of course, i don't have to do the work.  ; )
keep up the greatness.
Kevin
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