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| 7701 |
From: mzehner2000 <matt_zehner@p...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 0:18am
Subject: option for additional shortcuts (was 2 or 3 little things)
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Quick thought about a possible pool of untapped shortcuts: DB5 uses
numbers as shortcuts as well as letters (I think CESD's used /1
thru /7 so far, at least). Not very intuitive, obviously, but it
could give yo a little breathing room; if it's an important enough
function to a particular user, there's a lot of incentive to memorize!
HTH
Matt
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, kasmesa wrote:
>
> > The firsts that come to mind are /R (seems to be prestty standard
in
> > Palm apps for Preferences), or else /P, or /F, or /L... but they
are
> > all taken by something useful! Of course some shortcuts seem to
be
> > useless (like the ones for Promote / Demote now that there are
icons
> > on the bottom bar), but I realise it's quite difficult to take
_out_
>
> Carefull; keyboard people will be mightily offended ;)
(Shortcuts
> are for grafitti and for keyboards)
>
> > /- (dash) could be one as it's not used yet, and is easy to
trace. On
> > the other hand you could by mistake do a /' '(space) which
is "toggle
> > checkbox", so...
>
> Yep.
>
> > hey, it doesn't really matter which letter or sign, as long as
ther
> > _is_ a shortcut...
>
> See my dilemma ;)
>
> I'll revisit in awhile.
>
> jeff
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| 7702 |
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:29am
Subject: Re: 2.6 Beta 5 feedback
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While I can appreciate the complexities, Jeff, I look forward to your
investigation of this point. It's one of the reasons I haven't
really started using the desktop much. But nonetheless, I'm still
getting a lot of mileage out of the HH!
Todd
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Jacob Share wrote:
>
> > > They did. To seal the deal, I made some more changes on the
desktop side of
> > > Superlist and synchronized. This time, many of the items I
had marked for
> > > deletion (perhaps all) in the Desktop had not been deleted
and target dates
> > > that were modified were also not taken into account.
> >
> > A lot of linked to ToDo items?
> > Yup - the items whose target dates were modified were the
aforementioned linked ToDo items.
>
> Something I will be investigating for Shadow 2.7 is the link
> versus sync relations; ie: A synchronization happens at sync time,
and
> ToDo and DB link synchronization happens when you open a Shadow
file. Thus
> it is possible that linked items can have some odd effects you may
not
> expect.. ie: If you update an item on the desktop, its changes are
sent to
> the handheld. But the ToDo item changes will then at list-open-time
> clobber the desktops changes.. so your handheld could show somethign
> different than the desktop, as a result of the ToDo link having
> precedence. This sort of thign can get vary complicated quickly as
you can
> see.. so I'll be thinkign about it over the next while. Its
something I
> forgot about, but that came up very recently in some support :/
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7703 |
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:14am
Subject: Cut / Paste Error Message
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Has anyone come across this ... I'm working in a list. I cut an item
from that list using the [C] in the upper right corner, and then I
paste as child that item (again, using the [C]) somewhere else in the
same list. FYI ... The item in question happens to have a link
associated with it. When I then tap on the link arrow (far right
side of screen) and tap "Go to ToDo", I get the error
message "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4365, NULL Handle". I then have to do a
soft reset. When I come back to this list, the link for this
particular item has been severed and I have to reset the link. What
gives? I don't seem to encounter this problem if I just "drag-and-
drop".
Todd
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| 7704 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:37am
Subject: Re: Cut / Paste Error Message
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Interesting, and a better question for Jeff, but it would seem cut and paste would be more likely to sever a link logically thinking, and drag and drop less likely. To me, the solution you are getting would be what I would expect, but maybe that is not right. Jeff...?
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: tljr_2000
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Cut / Paste Error Message
Has anyone come across this ... I'm working in a list. I cut an item
from that list using the [C] in the upper right corner, and then I
paste as child that item (again, using the [C]) somewhere else in the
same list. FYI ... The item in question happens to have a link
associated with it. When I then tap on the link arrow (far right
side of screen) and tap "Go to ToDo", I get the error
message "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4365, NULL Handle". I then have to do a
soft reset. When I come back to this list, the link for this
particular item has been severed and I have to reset the link. What
gives? I don't seem to encounter this problem if I just "drag-and-
drop".
Todd
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| 7705 |
From: Rita <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Cut / Paste Error Message
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tljr_2000" <tlj1@c...> wrote:
> Has anyone come across this ... I'm working in a list. I cut an
item
> from that list using the [C] in the upper right corner, and then I
> paste as child that item (again, using the [C]) somewhere else in
the
> same list. FYI ... The item in question happens to have a link
> associated with it. When I then tap on the link arrow (far right
> side of screen) and tap "Go to ToDo", I get the error
> message "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4365, NULL Handle". I then have to do
a
> soft reset. When I come back to this list, the link for this
> particular item has been severed and I have to reset the link.
What
> gives? I don't seem to encounter this problem if I just "drag-and-
> drop".
>
> Todd
Yes, me too, but it's rare :) (Jeff, I couldn't resist, I sat on my
hands and everything)
Todd, see my message #7613 and Jeff's reply at #7618.
I couldn't reproduce the error and I haven't seen it since and I
have since completed the item.
Rita
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| 7706 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:31pm
Subject: Re: Re: Filter feature request
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, clifton_cc wrote:
> I hope it isn't too bad of form to respond to my own post, but ...
>
> > The filter I really want is
> >
> > (checked is false) AND
> > ( (target date is present AND target <= today) OR
> > (start date is present AND start <= today) )
> >
> > But I can't write that with the current system of OR groups.
>
> If we had 4 OR groups instead of 3, then I could write this filter as:
>
> (checked is false) AND
> (target date is present OR start date is present) AND
> (target date is present OR start <= today) AND
> (target <= today OR start date is present) AND
> (target <= today OR start <= today)
I can perhaps add more filter groups if needed.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7707 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:33pm
Subject: Re: Cut / Paste Error Message
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, tljr_2000 wrote:
> Has anyone come across this ... I'm working in a list. I cut an item
> from that list using the [C] in the upper right corner, and then I
> paste as child that item (again, using the [C]) somewhere else in the
> same list. FYI ... The item in question happens to have a link
> associated with it. When I then tap on the link arrow (far right side
> of screen) and tap "Go to ToDo", I get the error message "MemoryMgr.c,
> Line:4365, NULL Handle". I then have to do a soft reset. When I come
> back to this list, the link for this particular item has been severed
> and I have to reset the link. What gives? I don't seem to encounter
> this problem if I just "drag-and- drop".
For debug sake, try doing it, and try doing it after cleaing the
clipboard. When you do a "paste", the original item is still in the
clipboard, so it is possible that when you do the "goto", the two of the
items are fighting (ie: The one in the list, and the one in memory in the
clipboard). The clipboard item is supposed to let go of the link
gracefully when you exit Shadow, but perhaps it is still tied to the
pasted item.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7708 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:35pm
Subject: Re: [Shadow-desktop] Shadow 2.6 Beta 5 (Windows) Available!
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Christian Gaertner wrote:
> So far no problems with Palm and desktop application. The latter still
> lacks at least some form of rudimentary filtering (like
> completed/uncompleted) and formatting. But the Palm application is
> still best of the breed (IMHO).
Baby steps; I wanted to get drag and drop in there, and othe forms
of item pushign around, and that required the conduit to be much more
intelligent. I also wanted the conduit to work on a large number of
desktops environment (where you sync at 5 stations, that sort of thing),
as well as improve it all around. So the last while was almost entirely
conduit focused. Now the conduit is stable, the goal is to get the Mac OSX
side to beta, and then I can focus on improving the desktops across the
board, with a new feature going in showing up in both Windows and Mac at
the same time. That makes my life a lot easier :)
So things are coming together very nicely right now; Shadow 2.6
going out, a nice solid new platform for Windows. The Mac side is catching
up. The desktop is much easier to maintain and add featres to in the new
release, so I can grow things much easier without complications or the
like.
So expect growth much faster now, anyway.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7709 |
From: Frederick G. Turner <fred@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:59pm
Subject: RE: Re: 2 or 3 little things
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> > > > What do you need to go there often for?
> > >
> > > Well... change auto-numbering, or enabling titlebar, enabling sync
> > > (hotsync takes too long if you enable all lists to get synced by
> > > default), or sometime just checking the custom list options
(granted,
> > > this one is now easily done with the view manager)
> >
> > I've always found the lack of this shortcut somewhat odd, and
> > frustrating. I definitely visit the list preferences often: I don't
> > have my views configured very well, so I frequently have to go in to
> > enable a field that I need in a view, or to change numbering to
> > bullets or vice versa, or something else... It seems that this
> > shortcut is a must.
>
> Suggest a key :)
That's a real devilish tactic... I hadn't noticed you already had the
whole alphabet in there... :)
Looks like the available options are I, J, Y and Z. I'd go for
[shortcut] I, just for simplicity of the stroke... anyone have any
better preferences here?
Saludos,
Fred.
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| 7710 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:59pm
Subject: Shadow 2.6 Released!
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A posting in shadow-announce should arrive soon for those
subscribed. For those who aren't.. check the website!
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7711 |
From: gf_gollum <gf_gollum@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6 Released!
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> A posting in shadow-announce should arrive soon for those
> subscribed. For those who aren't.. check the website!
Damn - didn't get a chance to post my beta5 problems.. Here they are
anyway
a) Uninstall of previous beta's including 5, cause Control Panel/ Add
Remove programs to hang. (On NT, XP and W2k). Has to be terminated
with end task.
b) Dates in the desktop are in US format. Not desktop locale or palm
spec.. just plain old USA. If you MUST stick to a single date, please
use OCT-28-2002, or 28-Oct-2002 and avoid using numbers. What does
10/2/2003 mean to you?? (not what it means to me I'm sure)[Issue
still in 2.6 release]
OK.. sorry its just too late
Graham
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| 7712 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:06pm
Subject: Re: 2 or 3 little things
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/Z could be a toggle for zoom if:
/Z with item selected zooms inside that level;
/Z with no item selected unzooms;
Tom!
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kasmesa" <samir.kasme@s...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> > > a shortcut on "Zoom inside level" would be great. It can only be
> > > reached by Menu (also the 'v' button, but that's impractical
> > > somehow... too many things in there). what about "/ Z" which is
> not
> > > used yet?
> >
> > We'd need a shortcut for zoom out, too :/
>
> Not so much with the current behaviour, ie unzoom automatically
> before exiting. Usually you zoom into a sublevel cause you are only
> interested in that part of your file for the time being, and
> presumably for the whole "Shadow session". Next time it can be
> different. So the "unzoom on exit" is a good thing.
>
>
> > > Also a shortcut for List Preferences would be very useful, this
> > > command is actually used quite frequently (at least I do)
> >
> > What do you need to go there often for?
> >
>
> Well... change auto-numbering, or enabling titlebar, enabling sync
> (hotsync takes too long if you enable all lists to get synced by
> default), or sometime just checking the custom list options (granted,
> this one is now easily done with the view manager)
>
>
> > > reached: a good way would be a HW button within Shadow that would
> > > open a specific list:
> [...]
>
> > Its possible; Recent Files is pretty good at its job. Taking
> over
> > hardkeys is amazingly uncool (since maybe you want to go the
> Datebook ;),
> > even when you set up a pref to enable it or disable it. You could
> use any
> > of a number of Megawiki type hacks to jump to a specific file. I
> coudl
> > build something in, to make table of contents type files more
> useful, but
> > I'm not sure hardkeys aer the way to go?
> >
>
> I agree that taking over hardkey is pretty heavy, but a Megawiki-type
> hack is only half as useful: you would have to put hyperlinks to
> your "Inbox" list all over the place, wouldn't you? The idea is to be
> able to jump to a specific file from _anywhere_ within SP
>
> >
> > Gotta run.. sorry for the quick reply!
> >
>
> you mean thank _you_ for such quick replies, your reactiveness is
> amazing. Better quick and short replies than waiting for weeks for a
> long reply. It's like your releases, better quick releases with fewer
> changes than big releases once a year ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Samir
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| 7713 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.6 Released!
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, gf_gollum wrote:
> Damn - didn't get a chance to post my beta5 problems.. Here they are
> anyway
> a) Uninstall of previous beta's including 5, cause Control Panel/ Add
> Remove programs to hang. (On NT, XP and W2k). Has to be terminated
> with end task.
Whacky; I'll take a look, but not too much I can do. Yes, I am
looking for alternative installer packages as a remedy..
> b) Dates in the desktop are in US format. Not desktop locale or palm
> spec.. just plain old USA. If you MUST stick to a single date, please
> use OCT-28-2002, or 28-Oct-2002 and avoid using numbers. What does
> 10/2/2003 mean to you?? (not what it means to me I'm sure)[Issue still
> in 2.6 release]
Date localization and such will be coming soon.
> OK.. sorry its just too late
S'alright. Shadow is always evolving. Its not like this is the
last release or anything ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7714 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:05pm
Subject: Woowoo!
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I just scored myself a Tungsten; if only I didn't have to wait a
couple hours to pick it up and then to watch it charge. Rest assurred
Shadow will be very OS5 friendly...
Anyone who has an OS5 unit, consider joining shadow-test as I'll
need some OS5 Highres testers..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7715 |
From: Jacob Share <jacob@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:13pm
Subject: Re: Woowoo!
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Where'd you get it? Congrats
Jacob
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:05 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Woowoo!
I just scored myself a Tungsten; if only I didn't have to wait a
couple hours to pick it up and then to watch it charge. Rest assurred
Shadow will be very OS5 friendly...
Anyone who has an OS5 unit, consider joining shadow-test as I'll
need some OS5 Highres testers..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7716 |
From: Kenneth S. Rhee <polymath@m...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:18pm
Subject: Re: Woowoo!
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Congratulations!
I've been laying low working on my Sony OS5 device for the last few days.
I'm little peeved since some of my programs that I use daily do not work any more.
As far as shadow is concerned, it works fine until you check off mixed resolution option--the display then gets corrupted and can't read it (it cuts off half of the letters)
So, all the small fonts are GONE!
--
Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 10/28/2002
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:05:09 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
I just scored myself a Tungsten; if only I didn't have to wait a
couple hours to pick it up and then to watch it charge. Rest assurred
Shadow will be very OS5 friendly...
Anyone who has an OS5 unit, consider joining shadow-test as I'll
need some OS5 Highres testers..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7717 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:27pm
Subject: Re: Woowoo!
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Jacob Share wrote:
> Where'd you get it? Congrats
Apparently they're all over the US (since Friday or Saturday). I'm
in Canada and they're not yet at FutureShop or Best Buy.. but they are at
Office Depot / Staples (same store here) for $799CAN (about $525US)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7718 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Re: Woowoo!
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote:
> I've been laying low working on my Sony OS5 device for the last few days.
Nice!
How good is the battery life?
Virtual grafitti good, but I'll live without it. I just saw a Palm
show downtown Toronto where they waved magic wands. Some of this stuff
will be just incredible if it catches on, but the games and applications
already available for these units are incredible. Bluetooth head to head
gaming and messaging and file transfers are just going to go insane...
> I'm little peeved since some of my programs that I use daily do not
> work any more.
Which ones?
> As far as shadow is concerned, it works fine until you check off mixed
> resolution option--the display then gets corrupted and can't read it
> (it cuts off half of the letters)
Using Font Bucket by any chance? (Who knows if that works...)
It should work fine on the Clie.. its using the Sony highres API
:/ Checked your font settings?
Good question though.. does the NX70 use the Clie highres API, or
Palm OS5 highres API, or both?
I'll be building a Palm OS5 highres option within hours or days,
fear not ;) Watch for a shadow-test announcement in a day or two no
doubt. No way I'm sitting in "low density" mode any more than I have to ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7719 |
From: Kenneth S. Rhee <polymath@m...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:36pm
Subject: Re: Woowoo!
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--
>
> How good is the battery life?
>
It seems decent, but I can tell it's not going to be great when I use my Wi-Fi card.
> Virtual grafitti good, but I'll live without it. I just saw a Palm
>show downtown Toronto where they waved magic wands. Some of this
>stuff will be just incredible if it catches on, but the games and
>applications already available for these units are incredible.
>Bluetooth head to head gaming and messaging and file transfers are
>just going to go insane...
>
VG makes a big difference for me since it adds more screen real estate. I didn't think it mattered until I started using it.
>>I'm little peeved since some of my programs that I use daily do not
>>work any more.
>
> Which ones?
Quite a few. Including Quickword, Daynotez, Supernames. These programs all worked under Palm simulator, but . . .
>
>>As far as shadow is concerned, it works fine until you check off
>>mixed resolution option--the display then gets corrupted and can't
>>read it (it cuts off half of the letters)
>
> Using Font Bucket by any chance? (Who knows if that works...)
>
Yes, I'm using the latest FB that's compatible with OS5
> It should work fine on the Clie.. its using the Sony highres API :/
>Checked your font settings?
>
> Good question though.. does the NX70 use the Clie highres API, or
>Palm OS5 highres API, or both?
>
I don't know about both. According to Sony, they followed the Palm convention for HR API. All the HR programs that worked under older Sony do not work any more. So, I guess it's not both.
> I'll be building a Palm OS5 highres option within hours or days,
>fear not ;) Watch for a shadow-test announcement in a day or two no
>doubt. No way I'm sitting in "low density" mode any more than I have
>to ;)
GREAT!
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| 7720 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:07am
Subject: Re: Woowoo!
|
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote:
> > How good is the battery life?
>
> It seems decent, but I can tell it's not going to be great when I use my Wi-Fi card.
WiFi? Bluetooth or 802.11? 802.11 is killer on power. Not a PDAs
fault. It seem sokay on battery life. Its a real shocker to give up
MegaLauncher for me.. someone better get a highres launcher out ASAP!
> VG makes a big difference for me since it adds more screen real
> estate. I didn't think it mattered until I started using it.
yeah. I enter a lot of text, so I dont' mind not having it.. but
then, never had it either ;)
> Quite a few. Including Quickword, Daynotez, Supernames. These
> programs all worked under Palm simulator, but . . .
I bet all those will be updated ASAP. I'm surprised though. Shadow
works out of box (and its even a little naughty), so I'm surprised these
guys nogo :/
> > Using Font Bucket by any chance? (Who knows if that works...)
>
> Yes, I'm using the latest FB that's compatible with OS5
Odd.
> > It should work fine on the Clie.. its using the Sony highres API :/
> >Checked your font settings?
> >
> > Good question though.. does the NX70 use the Clie highres API, or
> >Palm OS5 highres API, or both?
>
> I don't know about both. According to Sony, they followed the Palm
> convention for HR API. All the HR programs that worked under older
> Sony do not work any more. So, I guess it's not both.
OKay, so its probably an extended Palm one then, to support VG. I
bet thats the problem.. it probably says "yes, I'm Sony Clie hifghres
extensions" so you can do virtual grafitti, but when you try highres Sony
API it gets borked. We probably need to figure out if its VG only, and
Palm highres. Whacky :/
Soon enough. Please watch shadow-test so I can fix you up :)
> > I'll be building a Palm OS5 highres option within hours or days,
> >fear not ;) Watch for a shadow-test announcement in a day or two no
> >doubt. No way I'm sitting in "low density" mode any more than I have
> >to ;)
> GREAT!
You know me :) Sucker for punishment :P
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7721 |
From: CAH Cox <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:27am
Subject: DT cuttin' & pastin'
|
| |
Jeff: this was an issue before the current betas, and it still remains: If I copy or cut items from an email (like sender's contact info) into an entry in a Shadow file on the DT, often when I try to open this file later I can't..the error references some unrecognized international characters, which aren't in there (at least not visible...these are US names and addresses) , but you have suggested the email may have some "junk" I can't see which is corrupting the Shadow file; However, I follow this procedure in other desktop apps, like DayNotez, and there is never a problem! Is this fixable in a future release?
Also, if you then open the raw .pdb on the DT to get your file back, and save it with as a Shadow DT file, with the .xml extension, the name still has the .htm extension, which needs to be manually corrected to *.xml. Why is that?
Having said that, I'm still on beta 4, so maybe I should try this again with beta 5?
Keep up the excellent improvements...
Chris
PS: Installed beta 5...same issues as above...
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| 7722 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:01am
Subject: Re: DT cuttin' & pastin'
|
| |
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, CAH Cox wrote:
> Jeff: this was an issue before the current betas, and it still
> remains: If I copy or cut items from an email (like sender's contact
> info) into an entry in a Shadow file on the DT, often when I try to
> open this file later I can't..the error references some unrecognized
> international characters, which aren't in there (at least not
> visible...these are US names and addresses) , but you have suggested
> the email may have some "junk" I can't see which is corrupting the
> Shadow file; However, I follow this procedure in other desktop apps,
> like DayNotez, and there is never a problem! Is this fixable in a
> future release?
Which Desktop version do you have? You can paste right fromWord
and such no problem in desktop 1.2.5. Perhaps theres a problem if you're
using < and > in the text, but I think that too is handhled..
> Also, if you then open the raw .pdb on the DT to get your file back,
> and save it with as a Shadow DT file, with the .xml extension, the
> name still has the .htm extension, which needs to be manually
> corrected to *.xml. Why is that?
Because of factors outside of my control.
> Having said that, I'm still on beta 4, so maybe I should try this
> again with beta 5?
Or 2.6? :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7723 |
From: CAH Cox <charlepp@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:06pm
Subject: Re: DT cuttin' & pastin'
|
| |
DT is 1.2.5; I'm sure pasting from Word shouldn't present any problems: I'm pasting usually from an email message, which we both agree can have some hidden junk. The last time I got the error, I had pasted a name/address/phone from someone's email (I'm using Outlook Express 6) and then copied them into DayNotez desktop, and then copy and pasted into Shadow.
Is it possible that copying first into Word can "wash" the text so it's clean enough for Shadow not to choke on it? Obviously DayNotez didn't do the job...but DayNotez didn't choke on whatever might be hidden in that text, either...what's the feature in Shadow that would make it that sensitive to a couple of snippets of hidden text (if that's what the problem is)?
Yeah, it's 2.6...but beta 5!! How are you groovin on the new Palm? Did you get the keyboard model, or is that coming out later? I'd be curious how it stacks up to the Clie N70 series...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] DT cuttin' & pastin'
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, CAH Cox wrote:
> Jeff: this was an issue before the current betas, and it still
> remains: If I copy or cut items from an email (like sender's contact
> info) into an entry in a Shadow file on the DT, often when I try to
> open this file later I can't..the error references some unrecognized
> international characters, which aren't in there (at least not
> visible...these are US names and addresses) , but you have suggested
> the email may have some "junk" I can't see which is corrupting the
> Shadow file; However, I follow this procedure in other desktop apps,
> like DayNotez, and there is never a problem! Is this fixable in a
> future release?
Which Desktop version do you have? You can paste right fromWord
and such no problem in desktop 1.2.5. Perhaps theres a problem if you're
using < and > in the text, but I think that too is handhled..
> Also, if you then open the raw .pdb on the DT to get your file back,
> and save it with as a Shadow DT file, with the .xml extension, the
> name still has the .htm extension, which needs to be manually
> corrected to *.xml. Why is that?
Because of factors outside of my control.
> Having said that, I'm still on beta 4, so maybe I should try this
> again with beta 5?
Or 2.6? :)
jeff
--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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| 7724 |
From: kasmesa <samir.kasme@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Rapid access to Shadow lists (Megawiki)
|
| |
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "vjornes" <vjornes@y...> wrote:
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kasmesa" <samir.kasme@s...> wrote:
> > <snip>
>
> > Id recommend mapping a button combo to call up the shadowplan
> > you want with something like Easylaunch. (If you want to
> > specify a specific Shadow file you may need to try it in
> > combination with Megawiki (also free) to call up the shadow you
> want
> > - use quiki).
> >
> > Alternativly you may want to try using piki which is part of the
>
No need for any HW or SW shortcut within SP anymore, Megawiki can do
that and much much more.... you were right, this little thing is
really amazing!
Samir
|
| 7725 |
From: radleyp2000 <pradley@r...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:50pm
Subject: New Shadow conduit
|
| |
I just installed 2.6, only to find that the new conduit had installed
itself twice in hotsync. How do I remove the conduit? Thanks for any
help. PDR
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| 7726 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 4:05pm
Subject: Re: New Shadow conduit
|
| |
This is "as designed" behavior. If you only want to see it once, reboot
your PC. That's what you get for being observant : ).
"radleyp2000"
<pradley@r... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
rose.com> cc:
Subject: [shadow-discuss] New Shadow conduit
10/29/2002
09:50 AM
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shadow-discus
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I just installed 2.6, only to find that the new conduit had installed
itself twice in hotsync. How do I remove the conduit? Thanks for any
help. PDR
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| 7727 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 4:32pm
Subject: Re: New Shadow conduit
|
| |
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, radleyp2000 wrote:
> I just installed 2.6, only to find that the new conduit had installed
> itself twice in hotsync. How do I remove the conduit? Thanks for any
> help. PDR
Check the FAQ. This is supposed to happen, and the old conduit
will go away next time you restart Hotsync Manager or reboot. IT wont'
sync twice or anything, either, so no worries.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7728 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 4:15pm
Subject: Re: DT cuttin' & pastin'
|
| |
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, CAH Cox wrote:
> DT is 1.2.5; I'm sure pasting from Word shouldn't present any
> problems: I'm pasting usually from an email message, which we both
> agree can have some hidden junk. The last time I got the error, I had
> pasted a name/address/phone from someone's email (I'm using Outlook
> Express 6) and then copied them into DayNotez desktop, and then copy
> and pasted into Shadow.
Pasting into Shadow Desktop 1.2.5 strips out all the offensive
binary junk Windows likes to include, so it should work.
Make a new test list, with like 2 or 3 dummy items.
Then go to your email app, and copy somethign, and paste it into
the memo/note field in the desktop.
Then send me the XML file if you cannot open it, and I'll see
whats going on in the XML.
> Yeah, it's 2.6...but beta 5!! How are you groovin on the new Palm? Did
2.6 is not beta5; they're close, but not identical :)
> you get the keyboard model, or is that coming out later? I'd be
> curious how it stacks up to the Clie N70 series...
I picked up the Tungsten T (not the W which is the phone-like one
with the keyboard thingy on it).
Being OS5 means losing Hacks which is a bit of a shocker (ie: I
live on PiDirect.. or did). Since OS5 is so new, theres a bucnh of apps I
suddenlly miss. MegaLauncher (highres on Cile) was my launcher for a long
long time.. but it doesn't yet work on OS5. So I'm stuck with SilverScreen
low rez (what I had before ML). It runs fast as a bat out of hell on the
Tungsten, but damn.. I hate Silverscreen :)
Tungsten versus NX70 .. is complex. The Tungsten has a *gorgeous*
screen. Best I've ever seen on a handheld.. the white is actually white,
and it shows up great in light or dark. I've been using a Clie for awhile,
and those screens are nice, but the T whips them. The sound is excellent
etc. Highres yadda yadda. So the Tungsten has everythign the Clies can do,
and the same as the NX70.. exceptnig the virtual grafitti and built in
camera and clam keyboard. I dont' care about any of those things, nor do I
acre about mp3 or the like anyway.. I use a PAD for PDA work, not music
and casmera work.. I have a digital camera for that :)
So the Tugnsten is quite nice; it is *very* fast. The Nx70 will be
faster I imagine, but fast is fast. The Tungsten seems to have a very good
battery life, while the XN will not. The older Clies were okay.. the N760C
was a great battery life for me, but the NR series is not godo enough
IMHO.
I'm still learnign the unit, but so far.. I've beciome hooked
fast. Speed is everything :) Some main apps came over fine, while some
others broke.. but I expect updates soon. Handstory for instance better
fix soon or I'll go to Plucker or the like.. but I'm fond of Handstory. I
need a highres launcher, but I can get by. By the other apsp (like Shadow
;) run like crazy...
Gotta run. If you want a review I can do one..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7729 |
From: George David R-G16477 <d.george@m...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: Desktop Feature Request
|
| |
Just wondering if it would be possible to make the desktop act like the handheld with checkboxes next to the items and maybe even 'strike-out' when checked.
Also, in the first ShadowPlan desktop app that launches, could there be list of the different outlines there, instead of having to go thru the file menu?
Thanx!
David George
IT System Engineer
Motorola ESG
Lawrenceville GA
770-338-3888
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| 7730 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 9:05pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Feature Request
|
| |
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, George David R-G16477 wrote:
> Just wondering if it would be possible to make the desktop act like
> the handheld with checkboxes next to the items and maybe even
> 'strike-out' when checked.
In time. Lots of writing to get it to that point, since no desktop
OS provides that powerful a built in widget, so I'll be writing an all new
Shadow-like widget cross platform for all the desktops. But its very high
on my list.
> Also, in the first ShadowPlan desktop app that launches, could there
> be list of the different outlines there, instead of having to go thru
> the file menu?
The button bar is a little faster than the menu, but good
idea. That coudl be a good use for the base window.. ie: I had intended it
to be a drag and drop anchor and for clipboard viewing, but a fast
launcher would be cool too. I'll meditate on it.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7731 |
From: mzehner2000 <matt_zehner@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:54am
Subject: mass promotion of children?
|
| |
Looking for advice, and hoping I'm missing something obvious! If
not, Jeff, there may be some feature requests imbedded here. :)
Is there a quick way to promote all the children of an item to the
parent's level? Or, alternatively, to demote a parent to its
children's level, or delete/cut/move a parent without
deleting/cutting/moving the children?
Here's my situation: I wanted to make Shadow my repository for
Someday/Maybe items, instead of having them occupy a ToDo category.
So I did an import of that category, which contained 200+ items.
Naturally, Shadow split them up into 3 lists, each with a single
parent called "Someday/Maybe" that contained many children. In order
to get them all back into one file, I selected the parent items in 2
of the lists and used "Send Clip to File" into the third.
Now I have a list with 3 siblings, each called "Someday/Maybe", each
with many children. Now I want to get rid of the 3 top-level
siblings and be left with one big list of all the current children as
top-level siblings. What's an EASY way to do this for very long
lists?
I realize that I could click on each child in turn and use "Promote
Item" (which, admittedly, is now made much quicker by the new
desktop), or check every child and then use "Cut and Uncheck All
Checked" and paste into the top level - but any solution that
requires me to manually touch every item seems to me to be
unacceptable, or at least very unsatisfactory when dealing with so
many items.
I see several ways to address this: a "Promote All Children" command
or "Check All Children" command on the handheld would seem to me to
be the quickest. Alternatively (or additionally!), enabling
selection of multiple items on the desktop could accomplish the same
thing, as long as the promote/demote buttons worked on the
selection. I would suggest the Windows "standard"
Select+Shift+Select for selecting a range of items and
Select+Ctrl+Select for selecting non-adjacent items, but I'm
certainly open to other options.
Thanks in advance for any advice (or new features) ;).
Matt
|
| 7732 |
From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:36am
Subject: v2.6 and hi-res
|
| |
Hi Jeff,
I'm glad to see in the list of new features that HandEra 330 hi-res
support is coming. Looking forward to that! I'll be happy to beta test.
Thanks,
Steven
|
| 7733 |
From: Anthony Schellenberg <aschell@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:15am
Subject: Re: mass promotion of children?
|
| |
Open list preferences and click the opt button. There is an option there called 'suppress autocheck' make sure this option is not selected. Then in your list you should be able to just change your newly imported list into the checklist style so that everything has a checkbox, then checking the 3 parent items should cause all children to be checked. Then go back to list preferences and turn that option on. Then you can uncheck the parents and all the children stay checked
>desktop), or check every child and then use "Cut and Uncheck All
>Checked" and paste into the top level - but any solution that
>requires me to manually touch every item seems to me to be
>unacceptable, or at least very unsatisfactory when dealing with so
>many items.
>
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| 7734 |
From: mr_hank_01 <mr_hank_01@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:38am
Subject: DT to HH sync problem
|
| |
I'm still on the beta 5. Not sure if this is a problem or if I've
not set some setting correctly.
With a file sync'ed, I made some edits on the DT copy (added a couple
items, edited a couple items), then resync. When I check the HH, I
see:
1 - new items came across OK.
2 - in that section (parent on down) I just added to, ALL items are
now checked as if completed. (Actually, I suspected this was going
to happen when I saw all items in the DT screen had the "Finished
Date" filled in with today's date
3 - edited items - changes did not come across.
I looked at the sync options: HH overides DT, but that's IF there's a
change on both files. I only edited the DT file.
Desktop 1.2.5
HH 2.6.0
sync 1.0.0
Conduit 2.0.0
Palm m500
What am I forgetting to do?
Thanks - Andrew
|
| 7735 |
From: Neal Cordle <nhcordle@e...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: mass promotion of children?
|
| |
Matt,
I recently did pretty much exactly what you did (though on a smaller scale,
so I just promoted each item individually) and ran across a bug in the
conduit. (I've passed the info on to Jeff and it's on his list of fixes).
It occurs only when you make the changes you described on the HH on a list
you are syncing to the DT.
IF you make the promotion changes on the HH AND then delete the original
parent BEFORE you sync with the DT, the promoted children will be deleted as
well. (of course they can be restored from backups, but that's another step
you don't want to take.)
Procedure to avoid this:
1. Promote all children - I'll leave it up to you as to how :-)
2. Sync with DT.
3. Delete original parent - Someday/Maybe in your case
Interestingly, this does not occur if you make the changes on the DT, so
that's another work around.
Not trying to alarm anybody..... Just know this happened to me..... it's on
the list to be fixed........ Doesn't shake my confidence in a great tool!
Neal
----- Original Message -----
From: "mzehner2000" <matt_zehner@p...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:54 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] mass promotion of children?
> Looking for advice, and hoping I'm missing something obvious! If
> not, Jeff, there may be some feature requests imbedded here. :)
>
> Is there a quick way to promote all the children of an item to the
> parent's level? Or, alternatively, to demote a parent to its
> children's level, or delete/cut/move a parent without
> deleting/cutting/moving the children?
>
> Here's my situation: I wanted to make Shadow my repository for
> Someday/Maybe items, instead of having them occupy a ToDo category.
> So I did an import of that category, which contained 200+ items.
> Naturally, Shadow split them up into 3 lists, each with a single
> parent called "Someday/Maybe" that contained many children. In order
> to get them all back into one file, I selected the parent items in 2
> of the lists and used "Send Clip to File" into the third.
>
> Now I have a list with 3 siblings, each called "Someday/Maybe", each
> with many children. Now I want to get rid of the 3 top-level
> siblings and be left with one big list of all the current children as
> top-level siblings. What's an EASY way to do this for very long
> lists?
>
> I realize that I could click on each child in turn and use "Promote
> Item" (which, admittedly, is now made much quicker by the new
> desktop), or check every child and then use "Cut and Uncheck All
> Checked" and paste into the top level - but any solution that
> requires me to manually touch every item seems to me to be
> unacceptable, or at least very unsatisfactory when dealing with so
> many items.
>
> I see several ways to address this: a "Promote All Children" command
> or "Check All Children" command on the handheld would seem to me to
> be the quickest. Alternatively (or additionally!), enabling
> selection of multiple items on the desktop could accomplish the same
> thing, as long as the promote/demote buttons worked on the
> selection. I would suggest the Windows "standard"
> Select+Shift+Select for selecting a range of items and
> Select+Ctrl+Select for selecting non-adjacent items, but I'm
> certainly open to other options.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice (or new features) ;).
>
> Matt
>
>
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| 7736 |
From: tarasofsky <Tarasofsky@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:09pm
Subject: syncing problems
|
| |
I am having trouble syncing from the DT to the HH, with 2.6. I sync
between two computers, but I do not think that is playing a role here.
After I synced on the second computer, I changed something on the
desktop. I sync again, but that change does not appear on the HH. The
hotsync option is set to syncronise. As to whether there were changes
on both sides, it was first set to HH overrides; I then selected keep
items from both sides -- still no difference, although that should not
be the issue since I only changed on the desktop.
Any ideas?
Just out of curiousity, how is it that Palm desktop syncs with no
problems, on different computers, but syncing in other programs is so
much more complex? I am sure there is a good answer, but it is not
obvious to this layman.
Richard
|
| 7737 |
From: Chris <chris@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: Re: syncing problems
|
| |
On 30 Oct 2002 at 15:09, tarasofsky wrote:
>
> Just out of curiousity, how is it that Palm desktop syncs with no
> problems, on different computers, but syncing in other programs is so
> much more complex? I am sure there is a good answer, but it is not
> obvious to this layman.
>
Well for one the built in databases that Palm Desktop uses are actually rather
simple. For each function there is only one file, and that file is pretty flat
in it's structure (you don't have nested Contacts, you don't have nested ToDo's
etc.).
Shadow however (as an example of a more complex sync situation) has multiple
databases ... each containing (potentially) highly nested data. Elements can be
moved hirearchically, created, destroyed, etc ... and this all needs to be
tracked.
Also I don't think that the Palm Desktop is as swift as you may think, but
rather the Data isn't as dynamic. How many times a day do you update your
address book compared to your Shadow lists? I'm sure if you were adding and
removing contacts at the rate of several a day ... in between syncing on
different desktops ... that you would run into occasions where you'd end up
loosing (or gaining unwanted) data. It's similar with Memo's, Todo's and
Datebook entries (although these last two are much more dynamic ... but that's
why people use programs like Dbk5 and Shadow ... )
-Chris
|
| 7738 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: Re: syncing problems
|
| |
And for those of you that sync with Palm Desktop, have you checked out the Agendus (or Action Names as i still prefer) desktop? Very nice in my opinion, love the colors, abilities, and layout. Standard is the one most will use.
Enjoy,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] syncing problems
On 30 Oct 2002 at 15:09, tarasofsky wrote:
>
> Just out of curiousity, how is it that Palm desktop syncs with no
> problems, on different computers, but syncing in other programs is so
> much more complex? I am sure there is a good answer, but it is not
> obvious to this layman.
>
Well for one the built in databases that Palm Desktop uses are actually rather
simple. For each function there is only one file, and that file is pretty flat
in it's structure (you don't have nested Contacts, you don't have nested ToDo's
etc.).
Shadow however (as an example of a more complex sync situation) has multiple
databases ... each containing (potentially) highly nested data. Elements can be
moved hirearchically, created, destroyed, etc ... and this all needs to be
tracked.
Also I don't think that the Palm Desktop is as swift as you may think, but
rather the Data isn't as dynamic. How many times a day do you update your
address book compared to your Shadow lists? I'm sure if you were adding and
removing contacts at the rate of several a day ... in between syncing on
different desktops ... that you would run into occasions where you'd end up
loosing (or gaining unwanted) data. It's similar with Memo's, Todo's and
Datebook entries (although these last two are much more dynamic ... but that's
why people use programs like Dbk5 and Shadow ... )
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| 7739 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:31pm
Subject: What to do with Tungsten 5-way Pad?
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We've had one-handed operation of Shadow Plan for awhile (for
Clie's). Of course, thats all Sony specific stuff, and is jog-dial
oriented anyway. So how would we want the 5-way button to work?
FYI: The five-way control is actually a 4-way "d-pad" with a
center button. Its a disc that you can push up, down, left, or right, or
push down in the middle. I imagine it will be good for gamers, especially
if it can sense two things at once and thus represent 8-direction ;)
For the Clie's jog dial, we make it like this: Jog either moves
the selection hilight up or down one item, or pages up or down. It pages
the view if no item is selected, or moves the hilight if an item is
selected. If no item is selected, pushing the jog selects the topmost
visible item, while pushing th Back button unselects an item. Pushing the
back button while no item is selected takes you back to the file selecting
screen. Pushing the jog while an item is already selected opens the
Details window. While in the file selection screen, the jog lets you
scroll up and down the file listing, and pushing the jog opens the
selected file.
Essentially on the Clie, using the jog and back buttons, you can
view any Shadow list on your handheld, with one hand.
We could do similar things with the navigation control on the
Tungsten, perhaps even figure out a way to check items.
Before you get goofy, I don't think I want to have a horizontal
icon bar of operations, with "push" picking one and left/right selecting
which one, and up/down selecting items. Thats too much work and would be
bloaty ;)
However, using up/down to scroll the selection or view, and
left/right to select or unselect, sounds reasonable and would fit into the
existing jog dial code reasonably easily. We could use the push-button to
open details, or perhaps do checkbox toggling and leave the detail window
to the left/right action. So in effect we could use up/down just as with
jog dial, and use left/right to simulate the jog push and back button
push.. that leaves us with the center push button tobe something new, like
toggle checkbox.
Any thoughts?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7740 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: Re: v2.6 and hi-res
|
| |
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Steven Whatley wrote:
> I'm glad to see in the list of new features that HandEra 330 hi-res
> support is coming. Looking forward to that! I'll be happy to beta test.
Keep bugging me, and early alphas and betas are always in
shadow-test before here.
I wonder what Handera is up to; they never got the colour unit out
did they? Any newso n new b/w units? I want to know if they're still going
to be with us in a year or two.. they're too quiet. Thats a great unit
they've got, so I hope they're nto having problems :/
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7741 |
From: G. Edw. Learned <learned@v...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Re: What to do with Tungsten 5-way Pad?
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| |
How about left right for zoom/unzoom?
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| 7742 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:14pm
Subject: Re: DT to HH sync problem
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, mr_hank_01 wrote:
> I'm still on the beta 5. Not sure if this is a problem or if I've
> not set some setting correctly.
>
> With a file sync'ed, I made some edits on the DT copy (added a couple
> items, edited a couple items), then resync. When I check the HH, I
> see:
>
> 1 - new items came across OK.
> 2 - in that section (parent on down) I just added to, ALL items are
> now checked as if completed. (Actually, I suspected this was going
> to happen when I saw all items in the DT screen had the "Finished
> Date" filled in with today's date
That would suggest they were already checked when they got to the
desktop. Did you accidentally hit the Checkbox somewhere along the
line? (like on the parent, and thus checkign all the children?)
> 3 - edited items - changes did not come across.
Are they linked to ToDo or Datebook? (ie: I so, then the linked
object becomes the master when "outside of Shadow", so you then have 3
sources of truth, with the external linked object takign precedence)
(Yeah, I need to think about this. Its getting complicated ;)
Does this help?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7743 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:18pm
Subject: Re: syncing problems
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, tarasofsky wrote:
> I am having trouble syncing from the DT to the HH, with 2.6. I sync
> between two computers, but I do not think that is playing a role here.
> After I synced on the second computer, I changed something on the
> desktop. I sync again, but that change does not appear on the HH. The
> hotsync option is set to syncronise. As to whether there were changes
> on both sides, it was first set to HH overrides; I then selected keep
> items from both sides -- still no difference, although that should not
> be the issue since I only changed on the desktop.
Is 2.6 installed on both desktop machines?
Is the item linked to ToDo or Datebook? (ie: If an item is in the
handheld, and desktop, and also linked out to ToDo or Datebook... then a
change on the desktop may get clobbered by the external ToDo or Datebook
item, snice it gets checked when you open the list, not at sync time).
> Just out of curiousity, how is it that Palm desktop syncs with no
> problems, on different computers, but syncing in other programs is so
> much more complex? I am sure there is a good answer, but it is not
> obvious to this layman.
Palm Desktop programs (like ToDo, Memopad, etc) are all programs
where the items have no relations or complexity. ie: Every single ToDo is
separate from every other ToDo. Shadow data is relational and much mroe
complex, with items takling to each other in many ways.
Consider: A ToDo list .. it is flat. There are no children versus
parents. An item is just up or down in the database, and that doesn't even
matter to it.. the item is just an island unto itself.
In Shadow we have to worry about relationships like "contains"; if
you move an item to be a child of another item, and them move another item
to eb a child o that one.. what happens when yuo delete the middle on on
the desktop, or mvoe it somewherre else, so no the handheld relations
different than the desktop relations? The items may be identical, but
*something* has changed..
It is a much more complex situation in many many ways :)
See, Palm has carefulyl designed its applications to keep their
lives easy, but as a result, you can see the limits of those applications.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7744 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: Re: What to do with Tungsten 5-way Pad?
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, G. Edw. Learned wrote:
> How about left right for zoom/unzoom?
How woudl we do the select/unselect then?
I wonder if it can detect that the center button is pressed, *and*
the disc is pushing right? It would be cool to "push and roll your
thumb" to have that as an extra function? Then that could be zoom or
something.
Crrrraaaaazy :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7745 |
From: mzehner2000 <matt_zehner@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:21pm
Subject: Re: mass promotion of children?
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| |
Anthony,
SWEET! Worked like a charm, so thanks for the help. You might want
to post that to shadow-tips!
Cheers,
Matt
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Anthony Schellenberg <aschell@p...> wrote:
> Open list preferences and click the opt button. There is an option
there called 'suppress autocheck' make sure this option is not
selected. Then in your list you should be able to just change your
newly imported list into the checklist style so that everything has a
checkbox, then checking the 3 parent items should cause all children
to be checked. Then go back to list preferences and turn that option
on. Then you can uncheck the parents and all the children stay
checked
>
> >desktop), or check every child and then use "Cut and Uncheck All
> >Checked" and paste into the top level - but any solution that
> >requires me to manually touch every item seems to me to be
> >unacceptable, or at least very unsatisfactory when dealing with so
> >many items.
>
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| 7746 |
From: mzehner2000 <matt_zehner@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: Re: mass promotion of children?
|
| |
Neal, thanks VERY much for the warning - using your method in
combination with the approach Anthony suggested, I'm in business as
desired.
Cheers,
Matt
>
> IF you make the promotion changes on the HH AND then delete the
original
> parent BEFORE you sync with the DT, the promoted children will be
deleted as
> well. (of course they can be restored from backups, but that's
another step
> you don't want to take.)
>
> Procedure to avoid this:
> 1. Promote all children - I'll leave it up to you as to how :-)
> 2. Sync with DT.
> 3. Delete original parent - Someday/Maybe in your case
>
|
| 7747 |
From: Russ & Ling <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:48pm
Subject: Re: What to do with Tungsten 5-way Pad?
|
| |
Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>
>[snip]
> However, using up/down to scroll the selection or view, and
> left/right to select or unselect, sounds reasonable and would fit into the
> existing jog dial code reasonably easily. We could use the push-button to
> open details, or perhaps do checkbox toggling and leave the detail window
> to the left/right action. So in effect we could use up/down just as with
> jog dial, and use left/right to simulate the jog push and back button
> push.. that leaves us with the center push button tobe something new, like
> toggle checkbox.
How about use the center push button as a toggle to expand/collapse?
Ling
--
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| 7748 |
From: G. Edw. Learned <learned@v...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:10pm
Subject: Re: What to do with Tungsten 5-way Pad?
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:20:07 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>How woudl we do the select/unselect then?
>
>I wonder if it can detect that the center button is pressed, *and*
>
>the disc is pushing right? It would be cool to "push and roll your
>thumb" to have that as an extra function? Then that could be zoom or
>something.
I was thinking use the push button for select...sort of...
If you have been scrolling up or down, it will select. If you have
selected, it will open. If it is open, it will close. To unselect,
just start scrolling with up and down again. Of course that doesn't
address how to get to notes.
Just random thoughts at this point.
Ed
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| 7749 |
From: mdc00000 <mdc00000@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:41pm
Subject: Desktop install
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| |
Jeff,
I downloaded 2.6 from your website today, and ran the setup program
to install it. Handheld upgraded fine. Desktop v1.2.5 installed but
shows up unregistered. I previously registered the desktop but got a
new pc at work and had not installed it yet, so this was a new
install for the desktop.
When launching the desktop, a message advising me to enter the code
on the handheld side appeared. I have two codes: one for the
original handheld purchase and one for the desktop 1.0 upgrade. Re-
entering the handheld code works, but does not register the desktop.
Entering the desktop code fails.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Mike
(Palm Vx, OS 3.5.2, eyeing the new OS5 goodies...)
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| 7750 |
From: tarasofsky <Tarasofsky@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:49pm
Subject: Re: syncing problems
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>>
> Is 2.6 installed on both desktop machines?
>
> Is the item linked to ToDo or Datebook? (ie: If an item is in
the
> handheld, and desktop, and also linked out to ToDo or Datebook...
then a
> change on the desktop may get clobbered by the external ToDo or
Datebook
> item, snice it gets checked when you open the list, not at sync
time).
>
Yes 2.6 is on both desktops. And you are right, the items involved
were indeed linked to ToDo. Any work around available?
Richard
|
| 7751 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:57pm
Subject: Re: Desktop install
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, mdc00000 wrote:
> I downloaded 2.6 from your website today, and ran the setup program to
> install it. Handheld upgraded fine. Desktop v1.2.5 installed but
> shows up unregistered. I previously registered the desktop but got a
> new pc at work and had not installed it yet, so this was a new install
> for the desktop.
>
> When launching the desktop, a message advising me to enter the code on
> the handheld side appeared. I have two codes: one for the original
> handheld purchase and one for the desktop 1.0 upgrade. Re- entering
> the handheld code works, but does not register the desktop. Entering
> the desktop code fails.
The desktop gets its registration from the handheld during
synchronization. As such, snice you bought in two steps, your handheld
must be registered twice -- first with your handheld code, then with your
expansion code. (You cannot just enter the expansion code, since people
would just buy the expansion package and I'd go out of business ;)
So if your second code doesn't work, you must msiremember or
misenter it or the like. Send me your hotsync ID and your two codes in
private email.
jeff
And your codes will still work for OS5 :)
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7752 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: syncing problems
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, tarasofsky wrote:
> the
> > handheld, and desktop, and also linked out to ToDo or Datebook...
> then a
> > change on the desktop may get clobbered by the external ToDo or
> Datebook
> > item, snice it gets checked when you open the list, not at sync
> time).
> >
>
> Yes 2.6 is on both desktops. And you are right, the items involved
> were indeed linked to ToDo. Any work around available?
When an item is linked to the ToDo or Datebook, for now, those
applications become the master (ie: The Shadow Desktop gets clobbered by
Palm Desktop). In this case, you can change those items in Palm Desktop
(since it is the master).
I will be changing some stuff so that the two condutis cooperate a
little better with co-owned objects. (Whew, say that 3 times fast ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7753 |
From: mdc00000 <mdc00000@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: Re: Desktop install
|
| |
Jeff,
I tried resyncing with the handheld code, then re-entered the desktop
code and it worked. Murphy's law - I tried this several times
before posting my message, with no luck, then posted, tried again &
it worked. Maybe I copied the code with a trailing blank or
something the previous times.
Anyway, thanks for the quick reply - that's truly impressive
support. Desktop drag & drop looks good!
Mike
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, mdc00000 wrote:
>
> > I downloaded 2.6 from your website today, and ran the setup
program to
> > install it. Handheld upgraded fine. Desktop v1.2.5 installed but
> > shows up unregistered. I previously registered the desktop but
got a
> > new pc at work and had not installed it yet, so this was a new
install
> > for the desktop.
> >
> > When launching the desktop, a message advising me to enter the
code on
> > the handheld side appeared. I have two codes: one for the
original
> > handheld purchase and one for the desktop 1.0 upgrade. Re-
entering
> > the handheld code works, but does not register the desktop.
Entering
> > the desktop code fails.
>
> The desktop gets its registration from the handheld during
> synchronization. As such, snice you bought in two steps, your
handheld
> must be registered twice -- first with your handheld code, then
with your
> expansion code. (You cannot just enter the expansion code, since
people
> would just buy the expansion package and I'd go out of business ;)
>
> So if your second code doesn't work, you must msiremember or
> misenter it or the like. Send me your hotsync ID and your two codes
in
> private email.
>
> jeff
>
> And your codes will still work for OS5 :)
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7754 |
From: fisticfighter <fisticfighter@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:55pm
Subject: Desktop feature request
|
| |
Jeff,
One feature I would like to see in the Desktop is an option allowing
URL's in a Shadow list to be displayed as hyperlinks, such that I
could click on a URL and launch IE or another browser from an open
file. Although not a high priority item I'm sure, I think it would
be very useful.
Thanks,
Aaron
|
| 7755 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:52am
Subject: Re: Desktop feature request
|
| |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, fisticfighter wrote:
> One feature I would like to see in the Desktop is an option allowing
> URL's in a Shadow list to be displayed as hyperlinks, such that I
> could click on a URL and launch IE or another browser from an open
> file. Although not a high priority item I'm sure, I think it would be
> very useful.
Yep; we'll see. Theres various complications around that, so its
lower priority than some other stuff.. but I'd like it too :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7756 |
From: mr_hank_01 <mr_hank_01@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 2:12am
Subject: Re: DT to HH sync problem
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, mr_hank_01 wrote:
>
> > I'm still on the beta 5. Not sure if this is a problem or if
I've
> > not set some setting correctly.
> >
> > With a file sync'ed, I made some edits on the DT copy (added a
couple
> > items, edited a couple items), then resync. When I check the HH,
I
> > see:
> >
> > 1 - new items came across OK.
> > 2 - in that section (parent on down) I just added to, ALL items
are
> > now checked as if completed. (Actually, I suspected this was
going
> > to happen when I saw all items in the DT screen had the "Finished
> > Date" filled in with today's date
>
> That would suggest they were already checked when they got to
the
> desktop. Did you accidentally hit the Checkbox somewhere along the
> line? (like on the parent, and thus checkign all the children?)
------
Appears something like that happened.
------
>
> > 3 - edited items - changes did not come across.
>
> Are they linked to ToDo or Datebook? (ie: I so, then the
linked
> object becomes the master when "outside of Shadow", so you then
have 3
> sources of truth, with the external linked object takign precedence)
> (Yeah, I need to think about this. Its getting complicated ;)
--------
Yes, to do links on those items; thanks for the insight.
--------
>
> Does this help?
--- Yes - thank you
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7757 |
From: droeh <droeh@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:20pm
Subject: Having a problem with my expat.dll file . . .
|
| |
whatever that is.
Here's the specs: Downloaded 2.6. Only need the desktop as I have
shadow on my palm but needed desktop for my new pc. Am registered
with you.
when installing using setup.exe, I get a "catapult error message" and
installation terminates.
when doing the manual method, I get an error message telling me that
it could not find an expat.dll file.
When doing a file search, I find that I have four of this file - all
in my C:\Windows\Temp files.
How do I move them to where Shadow Plan can find them?
Thanks - I love my Palm Shadow - really lookin forward to the desktop!
Martha Sheppard
|
| 7758 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 2:55pm
Subject: Re: Having a problem with my expat.dll file . . .
|
| |
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, droeh wrote:
> Here's the specs: Downloaded 2.6. Only need the desktop as I have
> shadow on my palm but needed desktop for my new pc. Am registered
> with you.
>
> when installing using setup.exe, I get a "catapult error message" and
> installation terminates.
Strange. What windows OS version?
Tried rebooting and installing again? (I've been using the same
version of the catapult setup builder for a year or so now, and its been
very reliable)
> when doing the manual method, I get an error message telling me that
> it could not find an expat.dll file.
You can find the expat.dll in the distribution By_Hand
directory; copy it to the same location as your hotsync.exe (you can do a
file find for it), and you should be cool. It also needs to be where you
are installing shadow.exe to.
> When doing a file search, I find that I have four of this file - all
> in my C:\Windows\Temp files.
>
> How do I move them to where Shadow Plan can find them?
>
> Thanks - I love my Palm Shadow - really lookin forward to the desktop!
Try installing again. It should work fine. If you're using NT,
perhaps you need to make sure you're an administrator? (Some NT's are
screwy this way)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7759 |
From: wbornstein <wbornstein@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 4:42pm
Subject: Outlining
|
| |
I've corresponded with Jeff on this, but I thought I should see what
others think. I have a need to generate multilevel outlines. I
would like to be able to set a numbering scheme preference that would
not be limited to three levels--e.g., 1.1, 1.1.1, and so on to
whatever depth is needed. Currently, I have to set the default for
the first three levels for each list and then remember at level 4 and
below to set it for each new group of children. Do others have a
similar need?
Bill
|
| 7760 |
From: Earthlink <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:29pm
Subject: Re: Outlining
|
| |
Not here, don't go that far into multi-levels. The few times that I might need to I just do it manually with input myself. I could see maybe a fourth level being added, but with too many levels we lose our screen to only numbers. My thoughts...
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: wbornstein
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:42 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Outlining
I've corresponded with Jeff on this, but I thought I should see what
others think. I have a need to generate multilevel outlines. I
would like to be able to set a numbering scheme preference that would
not be limited to three levels--e.g., 1.1, 1.1.1, and so on to
whatever depth is needed. Currently, I have to set the default for
the first three levels for each list and then remember at level 4 and
below to set it for each new group of children. Do others have a
similar need?
Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 7761 |
From: bjohnson567 <bjohnson@n...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:34pm
Subject: How do you transfer Tags to Outlook?
|
| |
When I link a shadow item to a to-do, I would like to pass the Tag(s)
that are attached to the Shadow item to MS Outlook when I sync. Does
anyone have any suggestions for sync sofware (or other solution) to
accomplish this?
|
| 7762 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: Re: How do you transfer Tags to Outlook?
|
| |
I don't believe this can be done at the present time. Well, other than
copying the tags into the note. Then they'd sync over with the ToDo. A lot
of extra work, but you'd have to weigh the value. Hope this helps.
|
| 7763 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: How do you transfer Tags to Outlook?
|
| |
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, bjohnson567 wrote:
> When I link a shadow item to a to-do, I would like to pass the Tag(s)
> that are attached to the Shadow item to MS Outlook when I sync. Does
> anyone have any suggestions for sync software (or other solution) to
> accomplish this?
Shadow doesn't talk to Outlook at this time... not directly
anyway. We can link items to the ToDo and Datebook databases, and Outlook
will sync those. Since those databases don't have the ability to tag
items, it would have to be as text. For instance, you could turn on
"Origin Stamps" for linked objects, and then you would see filename and
parental hierarchy for those linked items, but not tags. Including tags
(or perhaps the Prime tag) in origin stamps or the like could perhaps be
an option, but its not something you can do now. Neat idea though.
jeff
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