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| 7501 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 0:52pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
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Hey Jeff,
DayNotez is pretty cool; it seems to fit in the GTD model, but
anything that puts a date and a time on something would probably fit...
DateBk5 has the Daily Journal feature, which creates an untimed event
called, oddly enough, "Daily Journal" (if it doesn't exist on that day
already), and inserts the current time.
I have both and can't decide between the two. i like the daynotez
interface (try it out, it's neat), and DayNotez lets you link each
entry to an address, as well as create ToDos right from within the
text (which i don't use, see below re BTW); but i like reducing the
number of apps i use and DateBk5 is just so gosh-darn useful in all
other aspects (plus it has the linking, it just goes on the Daily
Journal entry, and not on each individual time entry).
Supporting DayNotez has the effect of supporting an alledged Shadow
competitor (they create Bonsai as well), but i hear the only advantage
Bonsai has is the desktop, and not for long. And you've promised a
Linux desktop, and that means there ain't no competition.
BTW, I already use Shadow for all my projects, creating 'next actions'
as children and linking them to appropriate context-categories within
the ToDo list, but i will use it for all reference information once
there's a Linux desktop. Currently i use memopad entries, which i can
access on the desktop.
Thanks for the great app,
-tom!
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious what is out there for purposes of dated note
> taking; ie: Datebook isn't good at it. Shadow is good for all forms of
> note taking, but I wonder what else is in this field.. Shadow is more a
> generalist after all and I'm curious what other applications are
doing in
> this arena. Perhaps Shadow has some things to pick up from these
guys, or
> perhaps Shadow needs to link to these guys? Since I know nothign of
> whatevers out there, I've become curious :)
>
> I've heard only of DayNotez; I ran into someone today who was
> raving about it. Does anyone use it? Does it fit into GTD and Shadow
Plan
> systems well?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7502 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 0:57pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
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My last post just answered the question of my dilemna regarding
DayNotez vs. Shadow... i can't access DayNotez data on the desktop
without a manual export to Doc (within DayNotez); with the DateBk5
Daily Journal, it would be accessible through any of the current
desktops (jpilot or whatever).
What's the best linux desktop?
-tom!
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| 7503 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
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Sorry, meant DayNotez vs. DateBk5!
-tom!
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tsuchy" <tsuchy@y...> wrote:
> My last post just answered the question of my dilemna regarding
> DayNotez vs. Shadow... i can't access DayNotez data on the desktop
> without a manual export to Doc (within DayNotez); with the DateBk5
> Daily Journal, it would be accessible through any of the current
> desktops (jpilot or whatever).
>
> What's the best linux desktop?
>
> -tom!
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| 7504 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Another jog dial issue 2.6beta1
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, gf_gollum wrote:
> > When nothing is selected, jog is page up/down.
> Agreed - All OK
>
> > When an item is
> > selected, it is scroll selection 1 up/down.
> Agreed - All OK
>
> > Push the jog dial to select an item,
> Nah - not here
So pushing Jog opens details while an item is selected, but does
nothing while no item is selected? Thats pretty strange.. please confirm.
> > or go into details, etcx
> Agreed
> > Push Back to unselect or go back to file
> > listing.
> Agreed
>
> I tried switching off all the Hacks. Still did the same thing. OK -
> Must be an NR70V thing. Not to worry.
jeff
--
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7505 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Importing from Bonsai?
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, David Bengtson wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good way to import a couple of large (300 items
> or so) outlines from Bonsai? I'd prefer to keep as many attributes as
> possible. These outlines are too bid for the memo pad.
Can you get a desktop-side export? What does it look like?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7506 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:41pm
Subject: Re: Minor issue on 2.6beta1 (DT)
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:
> Thanks for the fixup on the sync for '&'s in the link references,
> works purrrfectly. I see you're not using the same code to read the
> XML in the sync as in the desktop, though. Desktop still chokes on
Desktop and conduit uses same code; perhaps I neglected to rebuild
the desktop just prior to bulding the installer.. that would explain a few
things if its a version behind on common code :/
> the '&'s. Should I just give up on this "XML illegal character" and
> pick another marker? I'd like to pick one that's low usage but still
> XML legal, so it'll stand the test of time. ;)
No. We're in beta, expect issues :) I'll fix for next update
(shoudl be soon..tonight or tomrorow likely)
> I'm out to M$ Devcon for the next week, but I'm feeling confident
> enough to start dual sync'ing when I get back... I'll let you know of
> anything I find...
Keen, thanks.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7507 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Another jog dial issue 2.6beta1
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Is this a setting problem somewhere on the Clie? It works fine on my T415,
and I know others that have it working on their T615's. Something is weird
here, because my jog-dial in Shadow works just as expected in all cases.
Scott
Anthony
Schellenberg To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
<aschell@p... cc:
loyal.com> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Another jog dial issue 2.6beta1
10/17/2002
07:54 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
Doesn't work for me either, with or without powerjog enabled. T615.
>> Upon opening a list, depressing the jog dial once highlights the first
item
>> in the list, and from there you can scroll all items. Hope this helps.
>
>Thats what I THOUGHT should happen - Its doesn't on an NR70V (in any
screen mode)
>
>A small feature of the Sony perhaps?
>Graham
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| 7508 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: 2.6 beta 1 and Autonumbering:
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, alwaysenuf wrote:
> I'm using the beta sent with the installer,-- screen says 1.9.4
> during sync. AutoNumbering is set, but numbers don't show on the
> screen for all of the items. I have about 190 items in the list and
> every 3 or so item does not display the number on the hh screen when
> you first open file after a sync. If you do open an item without a
> number, when you close it the number appears--
> I have a custom view set to show check box, title, to do link, skinny
> tag, days til due and link arrow, and to auto number on first level.
Are these items yu;'ve been moving around using the desktop drag
and drop or push-arrows?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7509 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, tsuchy wrote:
> DayNotez is pretty cool; it seems to fit in the GTD model, but
> anything that puts a date and a time on something would probably fit...
>
> DateBk5 has the Daily Journal feature, which creates an untimed event
> called, oddly enough, "Daily Journal" (if it doesn't exist on that day
> already), and inserts the current time.
Ah, right. I'd forgotten about this DB5 feature. I still haven't
moved over to DB5 yet, I must confess, despite the amoral activities of
Agendusboys :/ (ie: When DB5 first came out, I tried it, and it was very
slow, and didn't have highres support that was useful for me. I fear these
are still the case, but I'll have ot giv it a try again). I'd really
rather use DB5, but it needs a good strong week list view :)
> Supporting DayNotez has the effect of supporting an alledged Shadow
> competitor (they create Bonsai as well), but i hear the only advantage
> Bonsai has is the desktop, and not for long. And you've promised a
> Linux desktop, and that means there ain't no competition.
I'm not too concerned; Natara are a decent bunch of guys from all
accounts (even if they can't admit the same about me.. they like to dis
others, but I'll chalk that up to insane corporate culture on their part
:P) So supporting Natara is okay, but supporing Bonsai isn't. Of course, I
let the market decide such things, and the number of folks who come to
Shadow from Bonsai reveals a lot :)
> BTW, I already use Shadow for all my projects, creating 'next actions'
> as children and linking them to appropriate context-categories within
> the ToDo list, but i will use it for all reference information once
> there's a Linux desktop. Currently i use memopad entries, which i can
> access on the desktop.
>
> Thanks for the great app,
Velcome! :)
So much more to do.. the "perfect app" is such a lofty goal :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7510 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, tsuchy wrote:
> My last post just answered the question of my dilemna regarding
> DayNotez vs. Shadow... i can't access DayNotez data on the desktop
> without a manual export to Doc (within DayNotez); with the DateBk5
> Daily Journal, it would be accessible through any of the current
> desktops (jpilot or whatever).
Good call.
> What's the best linux desktop?
None of them support a standard syncing method. I wish they'd all
agree on something...
I think I'll try DB5 again..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7511 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:57pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> Ah, right. I'd forgotten about this DB5 feature. I still haven't
> moved over to DB5 yet, I must confess, despite the amoral activities of
> Agendusboys :/ (ie: When DB5 first came out, I tried it, and it was very
> slow, and didn't have highres support that was useful for me. I fear
these
> are still the case, but I'll have ot giv it a try again). I'd really
> rather use DB5, but it needs a good strong week list view :)
It was very slow the first time i tried it as well, but it seems to
have gotten quicker; i don't know about highres, since i'm still on my
VIIx.
DB5 does have week list views, unless i misunderstand what you mean.
There's the 1/2 week view, the 1 week view, and the two week view,
plus the list view can be totally customized (using saved views). It's
really good! Also, the DateBk5 documentation is the best doc i've seen
for software; usually i don't even refer to documentation, but DB5
needs it, and it's worth it.
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| 7512 |
From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: Dated note taking?
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Agendus has a daily journal feature as well, but I don't use it because
I like DayNotez so much. I probably don't use half of its features, just
use it as a journal/diary program and also keep random sayings & quotes
in there. I like the way it exports to WordSmith so nicely on the
handheld, that allows me to keep my journals by month with almost no
effort at all.
Jen
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> DateBk5 has the Daily Journal feature, which creates an untimed event
> called, oddly enough, "Daily Journal" (if it doesn't exist on that day
> already), and inserts the current time.
Ah, right. I'd forgotten about this DB5 feature. I still haven't
moved over to DB5 yet, I must confess, despite the amoral activities of
Agendusboys :/ (ie: When DB5 first came out, I tried it, and it was very
slow, and didn't have highres support that was useful for me. I fear
these
are still the case, but I'll have ot giv it a try again). I'd really
rather use DB5, but it needs a good strong week list view :)
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| 7513 |
From: Larry King <larryking23@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: Dated note taking?
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Jen, I love Daynotez too! Yeah, we have datebk5's daily journal, but I prefer to write, edit and view my diary in Daynotez desktop.
Larry
PocketGoddess <jen@p...> wrote:Agendus has a daily journal feature as well, but I don't use it because
I like DayNotez so much. I probably don't use half of its features, just
use it as a journal/diary program and also keep random sayings & quotes
in there. I like the way it exports to WordSmith so nicely on the
handheld, that allows me to keep my journals by month with almost no
effort at all.
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| 7514 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, tsuchy wrote:
> DB5 does have week list views, unless i misunderstand what you mean.
EEp, I might be dredging up an old thread; but my grips is
simple..
DB5 has a list view for the week. But its badly designed:
It looks ilke this:
05/05 Thing
. Thing
05/06 Thnig
. Thing
. Thing
So there is space reserved on every line for recurring data.. the
date. So you lose 1/4 of your valued screen territory for data that does
nto change. This is generally a cardinal sin, since most people have
multiple things per day (otherwise it'd onyl need to show 5 items,
right? :)
It shoudl be:
--- Date ---
Thing
Thing
--- Date ---
Thing
Thing
Thing
This is a much better use of space. It bugs the hell otu of me,
because thats the only feature I need out of a datebook app, and Agendus
or Action Names or whatever it is does it really nicely. And with nice
colour and icons and all that. I think DB5 can do the icons fine, but not
the same colour effects or the layout.
Once het gets a good layout, I'm switching over within an horu of
finding out about it :)
I'm really trying to resist writing an app to do week views the
way I want, since I'd end up going crazy with it :P
Jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7515 |
From: Michael Davidson <mdavids+yahoo@b...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 2002, Jeff Mitchell (support@s...) wrote:
>
> It shoudl be:
>
> --- Date ---
> Thing
> Thing
> --- Date ---
> Thing
> Thing
> Thing
>
> Once het gets a good layout, I'm switching over within an horu of
> finding out about it :)
This is totally doable in DB5. You want either a list view or the normal
1-week view. The 1-week view is even better than the one you describe -
the date is right-justified so that it can fit on the same line as an
item. Mine looks roughly like this:
Thing
Thing
Thing Dt
--------
Thing
Thing Dt
It also has two columns. Maybe you were looking at an older version, or
maybe you weren't looking at the right view. But it does have something
very similar to your 'good' layout above.
T minus 60 and counting... ;)
Michael
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| 7516 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Michael Davidson wrote:
> This is totally doable in DB5. You want either a list view or the normal
> 1-week view. The 1-week view is even better than the one you describe -
> the date is right-justified so that it can fit on the same line as an
> item. Mine looks roughly like this:
Looking at the screenshots page of DateBk5.com I see..
Week view; two columns. That view is .. cluttered. I don't want two
columns.. if I can get a 1 column view it might be okay, but I really
dislike the dates being in the bottom right.. that means that you see:
http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-week2.gif
> Thing
> Thing
> Thing Dt
> --------
> Thing
> Thing Dt
This is generally a UI nono, snice you see thing, then thing, then
the date. So you see the date *after* the items you read. Usualyl you're
wanting to skip along by date in your eyes, so you se the date last, and
scan back up to read the content. Thast backwards.
List view is here:
http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7517 |
From: Michael Davidson <mdavids+yahoo@b...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 2002, Jeff Mitchell (support@s...) wrote:
>
> Week view; two columns. That view is .. cluttered. I don't want two
> columns.. if I can get a 1 column view it might be okay, but I really
> dislike the dates being in the bottom right.. that means that you see:
The 1/2 week view is one column. And it's not cluttered at all!
> > Thing
> > Thing
> > Thing Dt
> > --------
> > Thing
> > Thing Dt
>
> This is generally a UI nono, snice you see thing, then thing, then
> the date. So you see the date *after* the items you read. Usualyl you're
The palm screen is so small that it's really not an issue. You see the
date and the things all at once, or you train yourself to look at the
date.
> List view is here:
> http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
> It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
It looks clean and uncluttered to me! I'm beginning to feel like you have
something strange against DB5... ;)
Michael
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| 7518 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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| |
So isn't this what you're looking for:
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?&prodID=39458
Date at top, list below, hi-res+. What else are you looking fo?
Scott
Jeff Mitchell
<support@s... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
eton.org> cc:
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Dated note taking?
10/18/2002
01:45 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Michael Davidson wrote:
> This is totally doable in DB5. You want either a list view or the normal
> 1-week view. The 1-week view is even better than the one you describe -
> the date is right-justified so that it can fit on the same line as an
> item. Mine looks roughly like this:
Looking at the screenshots page of DateBk5.com I see..
Week view; two columns. That view is .. cluttered. I don't want two
columns.. if I can get a 1 column view it might be okay, but I really
dislike the dates being in the bottom right.. that means that you see:
http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-week2.gif
> Thing
> Thing
> Thing Dt
> --------
> Thing
> Thing Dt
This is generally a UI nono, snice you see thing, then thing,
then
the date. So you see the date *after* the items you read. Usualyl you're
wanting to skip along by date in your eyes, so you se the date last, and
scan back up to read the content. Thast backwards.
List view is here:
http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
jeff
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| 7519 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 smasters@a... wrote:
> So isn't this what you're looking for:
>
> http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?&prodID=39458
>
> Date at top, list below, hi-res+. What else are you looking fo?
Looks interesting. I prefer one column, but we'll see what hires
looks like. I'll take a look. Thanks ;)
I went a registered DB5 anyway, just waiting for a trial key until
the real key comes. I've been meaning to, since anythign to help gorillas
is cool :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7520 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
|
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Michael Davidson wrote:
> > Week view; two columns. That view is .. cluttered. I don't want two
> > columns.. if I can get a 1 column view it might be okay, but I really
> > dislike the dates being in the bottom right.. that means that you see:
>
> The 1/2 week view is one column. And it's not cluttered at all!
But shows you 1/2 a week instead of one week.
I'd liek it to show 1 whole week, including undated todos, all in
a long scrolling list. ie: If one day take sup 10 lines, and trhe next is
3 lines, thats cool. Using grids like DB5 is prone to is very
wasteful.. an empty day or day with 1 item take sup as much room as a day
with 10 items, excep ttrh day with 10 items you probably can't see them
all.
It needs to be the lsit view, but better. Efficient. Its not quite
right in any of the views :)
(I know I know, being hard on DB5 is unpopular, but you gotta
admit I'm right ;)
> > > Thing Dt
> > > --------
> > > Thing
> > > Thing Dt
> >
> > This is generally a UI nono, snice you see thing, then thing, then
> > the date. So you see the date *after* the items you read. Usualyl you're
>
> The palm screen is so small that it's really not an issue. You see the
> date and the things all at once, or you train yourself to look at the
> date.
I don't see any screenshots of Action Names list view, but it is
vastly superior. Sadly, its the onyl feature I need out of a dateboko app,
so I want DB5 to have it or I can't switch to DB5 withotu slownig msyelf
down and breaking my existing hapyp little process :)
ie:
o One column
o List view; scroll list up and down
o Not little same-sized panels for each day.. that makes it so you
must scroll eachlittle panel to see whats on in a given day
o Undated todos must be visible in the list.. top or bottom
o Efficient sue of space; no wastnig a quarter of each line for
dates.
> > List view is here:
> > http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
> > It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
>
> It looks clean and uncluttered to me! I'm beginning to feel like you have
> something strange against DB5... ;)
Uncluttered? Do you see how every line has a date? thats 100%
wasted space.. if those items all happen to be on the same day. Thats *bad
design* in every textbook you'll find :) CESD doesn't usualyl make goofy
mistakes, but thats one of them.. it has to be an option: If you tend to
have one item per day, its good. Very very few of people have 1 thign
going on each day :)
No, I'm 100% all for DB5, and I really resent Iambic for their
stunts. But they got list views just right :) I'm a develoepr and
perfectionisty as you know.. and I have to have it *right* :)
As I've said before.. if DB5 had a good lsit view, I'd switch in a
second :) So far my onyl alternative is to build my own simpel list view,
since I cannto mroally use Iambic stuff unless I frogive them, and I've
not thought about that yet. ut I have hopes they learned their lesson :/
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7521 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
Yes, you are right! I like your idea, maybe add toolbar to jump to each day
of the week and the ability to add new ToDo's and appointments. Make it
HiRes+, and I'll bet you've got another big seller on your hands. I'll buy
one!
Scott
Jeff Mitchell
<support@s... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
eton.org> cc:
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Dated note taking?
10/18/2002
02:32 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Michael Davidson wrote:
> > Week view; two columns. That view is .. cluttered. I don't want two
> > columns.. if I can get a 1 column view it might be okay, but I really
> > dislike the dates being in the bottom right.. that means that you see:
>
> The 1/2 week view is one column. And it's not cluttered at all!
But shows you 1/2 a week instead of one week.
I'd liek it to show 1 whole week, including undated todos, all
in
a long scrolling list. ie: If one day take sup 10 lines, and trhe next is
3 lines, thats cool. Using grids like DB5 is prone to is very
wasteful.. an empty day or day with 1 item take sup as much room as a day
with 10 items, excep ttrh day with 10 items you probably can't see them
all.
It needs to be the lsit view, but better. Efficient. Its not
quite
right in any of the views :)
(I know I know, being hard on DB5 is unpopular, but you gotta
admit I'm right ;)
> > > Thing Dt
> > > --------
> > > Thing
> > > Thing Dt
> >
> > This is generally a UI nono, snice you see thing, then thing,
then
> > the date. So you see the date *after* the items you read. Usualyl
you're
>
> The palm screen is so small that it's really not an issue. You see the
> date and the things all at once, or you train yourself to look at the
> date.
I don't see any screenshots of Action Names list view, but it is
vastly superior. Sadly, its the onyl feature I need out of a dateboko app,
so I want DB5 to have it or I can't switch to DB5 withotu slownig msyelf
down and breaking my existing hapyp little process :)
ie:
o One column
o List view; scroll list up and down
o Not little same-sized panels for each day.. that makes it so
you
must scroll eachlittle panel to see whats on in a given day
o Undated todos must be visible in the list.. top or bottom
o Efficient sue of space; no wastnig a quarter of each line for
dates.
> > List view is here:
> > http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
> > It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
>
> It looks clean and uncluttered to me! I'm beginning to feel like you have
> something strange against DB5... ;)
Uncluttered? Do you see how every line has a date? thats 100%
wasted space.. if those items all happen to be on the same day. Thats *bad
design* in every textbook you'll find :) CESD doesn't usualyl make goofy
mistakes, but thats one of them.. it has to be an option: If you tend to
have one item per day, its good. Very very few of people have 1 thign
going on each day :)
No, I'm 100% all for DB5, and I really resent Iambic for their
stunts. But they got list views just right :) I'm a develoepr and
perfectionisty as you know.. and I have to have it *right* :)
As I've said before.. if DB5 had a good lsit view, I'd switch in
a
second :) So far my onyl alternative is to build my own simpel list view,
since I cannto mroally use Iambic stuff unless I frogive them, and I've
not thought about that yet. ut I have hopes they learned their lesson :/
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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|
| 7522 |
From: tsuchy <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
Actually, that .gif of the list view can be modified a bit, you can
take out the weekday, and just show the date, that'll save a few
pixels. admittedly it doesn't solve everything, but hey.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> o One column
> o List view; scroll list up and down
> o Not little same-sized panels for each day.. that makes it so you
> must scroll eachlittle panel to see whats on in a given day
> o Undated todos must be visible in the list.. top or bottom
> o Efficient sue of space; no wastnig a quarter of each line for
> dates.
>
> > > List view is here:
> > > http://www.datebk5.com/palmm505-list.gif
> > > It has the nasty waste I've mentioned..
|
| 7523 |
From: pfieldho_99 <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: Difficulty with Custom Sync settings
|
| |
Jeff,
I have been playing around with the Beta. Had some difficulty today
with my address book causing a fatal error and so ended up restoring
from my backup module (running Prism - Palm OS v. 3.5.2H15)
After restoring from my module I attempted to sync with the desktop
on "Synchronize - Desktop item overwrites handheld" but that setting
won't stick. I click the radio buttons and click on "Done" but
nothing changes. I've tried setting the above custom sync as default
but it still won't stick.
So I tried opening the lists that I needed to update, and the updated
versions come up on the desktop, and "send to handheld". That isn't
working.
Any thoughts on this.
I'm currently on a W2K machine at work with WinME at home.
Paul
|
| 7524 |
From: lilmagnus <amagner@m...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:57pm
Subject: PHOTO: Agendus Week List View in Photos Section
|
| |
Since Jeff's been talking about how much better Agendus' week list
view utilizes the screen, I've taken the liberty of uploading a snap
of it to the photos section on this group. Just so we all get an idea
of what Jeff likes. ;-)
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/lst
Cheers,
Tony
|
| 7525 |
From: Anthony Schellenberg <aschell@p...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 9:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
Unfortunately, CESD is of the opposite opinion of this, so unless he is persuaded otherwise (which has happened before) it may stay this way for quite some time. :( I think what's needed in Datebk5 is perhaps yet another view
> DB5 has a list view for the week. But its badly designed:
>
> It looks ilke this:
>
>05/05 Thing
>. Thing
>05/06 Thnig
>. Thing
>. Thing
>
> So there is space reserved on every line for recurring data.. the
>date. So you lose 1/4 of your valued screen territory for data that does
>nto change. This is generally a cardinal sin, since most people have
>multiple things per day (otherwise it'd onyl need to show 5 items,
>right? :)
>
> It shoudl be:
>
>--- Date ---
>Thing
>Thing
>--- Date ---
>Thing
>Thing
>Thing
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| 7526 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 9:36pm
Subject: Re: PHOTO: Agendus Week List View in Photos Section
|
| |
Even more ammunition for Jeff to write his own. Only my opinion, but that
is way too busy for me.
"lilmagnus"
<amagner@m... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
albox.com> cc:
Subject: [shadow-discuss] PHOTO: Agendus Week List View in Photos
10/18/2002 Section
03:57 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
Since Jeff's been talking about how much better Agendus' week list
view utilizes the screen, I've taken the liberty of uploading a snap
of it to the photos section on this group. Just so we all get an idea
of what Jeff likes. ;-)
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/lst
Cheers,
Tony
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| 7527 |
From: pfieldho_99 <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: FollowUp: Difficulty with Custom Sync settings
|
| |
Well I think I found the answer and it will probably not be relevant
for the great majority of users. I think it has to do with the fact
that my work computer (Win2k) requires administrator privileges to
install some software. I didn't have that when I installed the Beta,
on the other hand I was able to install without any sign of a problem
during the install itself.
As I went through this thing I tried to uninstall ShadowPlan and at
that point got a message that the uninstall was not successful. This
clued me in to the problem. I called out Information Systems folks,
got the privileges, uninstalled, reinstalled, and now things are 95%
good. I was able to copy over all HH files from the Desktop. The only
unfortunate thing is that it looks like all files have been converted
to checklists -- and I have most of mine set up as notes.
I did re-edit one lists preferences to note and those individual
items that I had IDed as checklists remained so while all others
reverted to note. Not too bad!!!
So I'm off to the races again. Hope no one else had these problems.
Maybe this info will be helpful if they do.
Paul
|
| 7528 |
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:12pm
Subject: Newbie Question
|
| |
Sorry for the dumb question ... but what is GTD that I keep seeing
references to?
|
| 7529 |
From: karjar358 <karjar@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
I have found that by putting a project name in my address book under
categories Projects, I can then use Daynotez, and use the project name
for contact name in Daynotez. This lets me filter by contact name
(project) and I can see all my notes, dated and timed, associated with
that Project (of course project could be anything). I also use Datebk5
link to that contact name for TODO and appointments, which logs
activities there. Then with the Project TLI in Shadow, I link it to
the project name in the address book, quick way to check in the
contact log which activities were done (for those times where brain
freeze happens). I use Slap to enter single step activities into the
datebk, ToDo, addresses, and memos. It actually is all starting to
come together finally, after many iterations. (Now if we just had that
toggle word wrap feature...hehe)
jeff
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious what is out there for purposes of dated note
> taking; ie: Datebook isn't good at it. Shadow is good for all forms
of
> note taking, but I wonder what else is in this field.. Shadow is
more a
> generalist after all and I'm curious what other applications are
doing in
> this arena. Perhaps Shadow has some things to pick up from these
guys, or
> perhaps Shadow needs to link to these guys? Since I know nothign of
> whatevers out there, I've become curious :)
>
> I've heard only of DayNotez; I ran into someone today who was
> raving about it. Does anyone use it? Does it fit into GTD and Shadow
Plan
> systems well?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7530 |
From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:35pm
Subject: RE: Newbie Question
|
| |
Getting Things Done, by David Allen. Super organizational system that
really helps!
Http://www.gettingthingsdone.com, and of course there's a book (that's
where I would start). If you like what you see, sign up for the GTD_Palm
Yahoogroup and join all the rest of us!
Jen
-------------
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http://www.pocketgoddess.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: tljr_2000 [mailto:tlj1@c...]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 5:12 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Newbie Question
Sorry for the dumb question ... but what is GTD that I keep seeing
references to?
|
| 7531 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:45pm
Subject: Whats on my PDA?
|
| |
You know, I started this page a couple years back and kept it
pseudo up to date. I went through and made it a little more up to date and
thought maybe you guys would be amused.
Don't mind the typos or irreverent frame of mind. It was always
written at 3am, you know how it is :)
http://www.skeleton.org/skeezix/textfiles/onpda.html
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7532 |
From: David Bengtson <dbengtson@p...>
Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:48pm
Subject: Re: Importing from Bonsai?
|
| |
There is a desk-top export for Bonsai, and a sample is listed Below.
You can also write you own export filter to export to whatever you
want. Below the HTML one is an XML file that some wrote and posted at
the Natara web site.
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:39:42 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, David Bengtson wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest a good way to import a couple of large (300 items
>> or so) outlines from Bonsai? I'd prefer to keep as many attributes as
>> possible. These outlines are too bid for the memo pad.
>
> Can you get a desktop-side export? What does it look like?
>
> jeff
************************************
<html>
<head>
<title>Outline1</title>
</head>
<body>
<div align="center"><h1>Outline1</h1></div>
<table width=100% cellpadding="1">
<tr bgcolor="#FF8888" align="center"><td></td></tr>
<tr><td><div style="margin-left:0pt">To-Do Item <small><i><a
href="#note1">note 1</a></i></small></div></td>
</tr>
<tr><td><div style="margin-left:12pt">Level 2 To-do Item <small><i><a
href="#note2">note 2</a></i></small></div></td>
</tr>
<tr><td><div style="margin-left:24pt">Level 3 To-Do Item <small><i><a
href="#note3">note 3</a></i></small></div></td>
</tr>
<tr><td><div style="margin-left:0pt">Simple list item <small><i><a
href="#note4">note 4</a></i></small></div></td>
</tr>
<tr><td><div style="margin-left:0pt">Task Item <small><i><a
href="#note5">note 5</a></i></small></div></td>
</tr>
</table>
<br><br><A NAME="note1"><b>Note
1:</b></A><br><small><i>Note</i></small>
<br><br><A NAME="note2"><b>Note 2:</b></A><br><small><i>Note for Level
2 To-Do Item
<BR></i></small>
<br><br><A NAME="note3"><b>Note 3:</b></A><br><small><i>Note for Level
3 To-Do. </i></small>
<br><br><A NAME="note4"><b>Note 4:</b></A><br><small><i>Note for
Simple List Item</i></small>
<br><br><A NAME="note5"><b>Note 5:</b></A><br><small><i>Note for Task
Item, 14 Percent done/ </i></small>
</body>
</html>
*************************************************
<?xml version="1.0" standalone="yes" ?>
- <Outline Title="Outline1" Numbering="1"
Categories="Unfiled,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,">
- <Item UniqueId="151976467" Index="0" Level="0" Type="1"
PercentComplete="0" NumericStartDate="0" NumericDueDate="0"
NumericCompletedDate="0" StartDate="" DueDate="" CompletedDate=""
Priority="1" Category="Unfiled">
To-Do Item
- <Item UniqueId="151976675" Index="1" Level="1" Type="1"
PercentComplete="0" NumericStartDate="0" NumericDueDate="0"
NumericCompletedDate="0" StartDate="" DueDate="" CompletedDate=""
Priority="1" Category="Unfiled">
Level 2 To-do Item
<Item UniqueId="151976696" Index="2" Level="2" Type="1"
PercentComplete="0" NumericStartDate="0" NumericDueDate="0"
NumericCompletedDate="0" StartDate="" DueDate="" CompletedDate=""
Priority="1" Category="Unfiled">Level 3 To-Do Item</Item>
</Item>
</Item>
<Item UniqueId="151976561" Index="3" Level="0" Type="0"
PercentComplete="" NumericStartDate="" NumericDueDate=""
NumericCompletedDate="" StartDate="" DueDate="" CompletedDate=""
Priority="1" Category="Unfiled">Simple list item</Item>
<Item UniqueId="151976571" Index="4" Level="0" Type="2"
PercentComplete="14" NumericStartDate="0" NumericDueDate="0"
NumericCompletedDate="0" StartDate="" DueDate="" CompletedDate=""
Priority="1" Category="Unfiled">Task Item</Item>
</Outline>
|
| 7533 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 0:11am
Subject: Re: Difficulty with Custom Sync settings
|
| |
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:
> I have been playing around with the Beta. Had some difficulty today
> with my address book causing a fatal error and so ended up restoring
> from my backup module (running Prism - Palm OS v. 3.5.2H15) After
> restoring from my module I attempted to sync with the desktop on
> "Synchronize - Desktop item overwrites handheld" but that setting
> won't stick. I click the radio buttons and click on "Done" but nothing
> changes. I've tried setting the above custom sync as default but it
> still won't stick.
You mean you set up your Hotsync Custom settings, then hit Done,
and open it up again and the settings are lost? Where do they get reset
back to?
> So I tried opening the lists that I needed to update, and the updated
> versions come up on the desktop, and "send to handheld". That isn't
> working.
Check the lastsync.txt or send it my way; is your desktop
registered?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7534 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 0:13am
Subject: Re: PHOTO: Agendus Week List View in Photos Section
|
| |
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 smasters@a... wrote:
> Even more ammunition for Jeff to write his own. Only my opinion, but that
> is way too busy for me.
I don't use icons, so its not busy for me. Just time and title
text.. not busy at all :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7535 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 0:15am
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
Sorry for the non-shadow thread folks, but we gotta keep everyone
busy ;)
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> Unfortunately, CESD is of the opposite opinion of this, so unless he
> is persuaded otherwise (which has happened before) it may stay this
> way for quite some time. :( I think what's needed in Datebk5 is
> perhaps yet another view
Was there a big debate over this or somesuch?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7536 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 0:17am
Subject: Re: Importing from Bonsai?
|
| |
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, David Bengtson wrote:
> There is a desk-top export for Bonsai, and a sample is listed Below.
> You can also write you own export filter to export to whatever you
> want. Below the HTML one is an XML file that some wrote and posted at
> the Natara web site.
Hmm looks like a little work. It would be a trivial thing to get
your text into Shadow, but the other stuff could be a little work. Is text
enough?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7537 |
From: clieguy <clieguy@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 1:02am
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
Oh this is one of many debates in the DateBk5 group. CESD is as
dedicated and motivated as you are Jeff.
Never a dull moment there either!!
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the non-shadow thread folks, but we gotta keep
everyone
> busy ;)
>
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, CESD is of the opposite opinion of this, so unless
he
> > is persuaded otherwise (which has happened before) it may stay
this
> > way for quite some time. :( I think what's needed in Datebk5 is
> > perhaps yet another view
>
> Was there a big debate over this or somesuch?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7538 |
From: Chris Harlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 1:57am
Subject: Re: Re: Another jog dial issue 2.6beta1
|
| |
I tried to duplicate your problem on my NR70U, and they all work, including the push jog dial to select an item...it selects the first entry visible at the top of the screen
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: gf_gollum
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 6:52 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Another jog dial issue 2.6beta1
> When nothing is selected, jog is page up/down.
Agreed - All OK
> When an item is
> selected, it is scroll selection 1 up/down.
Agreed - All OK
> Push the jog dial to select an item,
Nah - not here
> or go into details, etcx
Agreed
> Push Back to unselect or go back to file
> listing.
Agreed
I tried switching off all the Hacks. Still did the same thing. OK - Must be an NR70V thing. Not to worry.
Graham
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| 7539 |
From: Chris Harlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 3:09am
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
|
| |
Jeff: I use DayNotez...it's not a bad program. Kinda replaces a paper day-planner... and you can search and organize your notes, date and time stamp them. Very stable conduit and DT application. It has several small apps that can import/export from various other standard OS programs; on the DT, it has a small app that embeds a link to itself in the Palm Desktop program. I don't know what GTD is, so I can't comment on that.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:24 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Dated note taking?
I'm curious what is out there for purposes of dated note
taking; ie: Datebook isn't good at it. Shadow is good for all forms of
note taking, but I wonder what else is in this field.. Shadow is more a
generalist after all and I'm curious what other applications are doing in
this arena. Perhaps Shadow has some things to pick up from these guys, or
perhaps Shadow needs to link to these guys? Since I know nothign of
whatevers out there, I've become curious :)
I've heard only of DayNotez; I ran into someone today who was
raving about it. Does anyone use it? Does it fit into GTD and Shadow Plan
systems well?
jeff
--
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| 7540 |
From: aschell98 <aschell@p...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:18am
Subject: Re: Dated note taking?
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the non-shadow thread folks, but we gotta keep
everyone
> busy ;)
>
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, CESD is of the opposite opinion of this, so unless
he
> > is persuaded otherwise (which has happened before) it may stay
this
> > way for quite some time. :( I think what's needed in Datebk5 is
> > perhaps yet another view
>
> Was there a big debate over this or somesuch?
>
> jeff
I hope I'm remembering correctly. I believe his take on it is that
number of appointments shown was more important than amount of text.
I think the issue here is that the list view is much more than just a
straight list of appointments. When you use it for filtering, say
showing a list of all birthdays etc. having a dividing line between
each would really waste space in that context. What I'd like to see
him do is take the week view, specifically the 3 day view option and
either change it or add one more, that shows everything for the day
without the need to tap it like you do now. Does that make sense?
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| 7541 |
From: McMug <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 5:55am
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.6 beta 1
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Rita" <rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> Bummer, I just bought a new computer with insufficient USB ports
> I'm still waiting for hubby to install additional ones. Looks like
> I'll have to sacrifice the printer or something If I want to try it
> out.
I don't get it. If it is USB, it is hot plug. Just pull out the
printer cable to do the hotsync, and plug it back afterwards. You
don't even need to reboot windows.
and didn't your palm support the ancient ritual --- hotsync via COM
port?
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| 7542 |
From: Tom Curley <tcurley@c...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 2:34am
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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I have used Afterburner hack to speed things up for quite a while now -
very satisfied with performance & stability.
Tom
tsuchy wrote:
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> From: "tsuchy" <tsuchy@y...>
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:57:17 -0000
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Dated note taking?
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>> Ah, right. I'd forgotten about this DB5 feature. I still haven't
>> moved over to DB5 yet, I must confess, despite the amoral activities of
>> Agendusboys :/ (ie: When DB5 first came out, I tried it, and it was very
>> slow, and didn't have highres support that was useful for me. I fear
> these
>> are still the case, but I'll have ot giv it a try again). I'd really
>> rather use DB5, but it needs a good strong week list view :)
>
> It was very slow the first time i tried it as well, but it seems to
> have gotten quicker; i don't know about highres, since i'm still on my
> VIIx.
>
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| 7543 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dated note taking?
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, aschell98 wrote:
> I hope I'm remembering correctly. I believe his take on it is that
> number of appointments shown was more important than amount of text.
> I think the issue here is that the list view is much more than just a
> straight list of appointments. When you use it for filtering, say
> showing a list of all birthdays etc. having a dividing line between
> each would really waste space in that context. What I'd like to see
> him do is take the week view, specifically the 3 day view option and
> either change it or add one more, that shows everything for the day
> without the need to tap it like you do now. Does that make sense?
In my book its pretty simple; through most of DB5 he is interested
in simple display.. the 3 day view has 3 equal sized boxes. The week view
has a bunch of boxes in 2 columns. This shows that he is either more
concerned with simple display work, or in achieving the stated 3-day
goal... however, is that the correct goal, or is the real goal to give you
a good view of whats going on in those 3 days? (subtly different)
To me it is a sin to have 3 equal sized little boxes. If the top
day has a single item, it wastes all the space below it (in 3 day view
mode). Then the second day has only say 6 lines or whatever to show what
it is.. and if it has 10 items, you cannot get a good view without
scrolling it up and down. And what if theres nothign at all on the 3rd
day? So you end up with 1 item, a bunch of stuff you need to scroll int he
second spot, and empty wasted space at the bottom. So you've wasted 2/3 of
your screen display, when you could've seen it all were it listed properly
:/
This makes the 3 day view virtually worthless, unless you have
only a few things going on each day... and I usually have at least 4 or 5
meetings a day, and a numebr of todos (like 2-10, depending what slid on
previous days). So none of the DB5 views are any good for me.. I must
always scroll around. In Agenuds (damn them to hell), I can just push the
datebook button, up comes list view, and see ti all. If I need to, I can
scroll down with one button push. Perfect. The rest of the app sucks for
me, but they got this right :)
A better design would be to determine how much is going on each
day and size to fit. Then a pref to allow you to have scrolling within
each box if you insist on it, or show everything in a list and scroll the
whole list. My goal is to show you whats going on in the 3 days, and not
just fit into these 3 predefined boxes.
Scrolling wiuthin each box I think is bad, since it doens't let
you get a complete view of a single day, ever. You always must scroll up
and down to see everything (in each of the 3 boxes!), and by then you've
lost view of whats going on in the other days.. thus rendering the whole
idea of the 3 day view into something that needs too much work -- if you
cannot just glance and see whats going on, I'll go to the next app.
Every time I've looked at DB4 and DB5 I come back to this same
thing. I cannot use it, since it requires micromanaging these little
scrolling areas. 3 day view, week view.. tis all about squishing
everything into these little boxes instead of just showing me the info.
The rest of the application is genius.. but these views are just
the opposite of what I believe in, which is making things suit the needs.
And maybe my needs differ from everyones, but thats nomatter.. they're my
needs, and the app doesn't fit them :) Perhaps working with saved views
and such would clear it up by making more specific views, but then I'd
still have to switch between a few views to see everything.. and I'm all
about what I can see at a glance. I've no time to muck arond with the
stylus.. I flip the lid, push one button and go to the meeting I see
listed. I can't scroll around.. I'm busy walking to the meeting :)
I hate to say it, but I cannot use DB5 :(
I really really wish I could, but it drives me nuts :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7544 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: DB5
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OKay, that threads gotten tired hasn't it? You may not know, but
CESD and I are on pretty good terms. Hes a dude, and people have always
been comparing us so I started talking to the guy a year or two back. He
offered some very good advice for dealing with all these evil companies
legally and whatnot, too, and he managed to dodge getting screwed by one
of the companies that screwed me ;) I think I'll just write up my ideas
and send 'em his way. DB5 is one of the best apps around, I just think
it'd be better with some tweaks (see, just like you guys are to me, I too
am a user to someone else, with endless ideas and requests ;)
So lets not worry about list view debating; I checked the DB5
group and damn, people been debating about that for a long long time
already :) But maybe I'll write my own list view ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7545 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: DB5
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isn't the list view in DB5 what you are looking for? it condenses the day to fit the number of entries. if you have few entries, more days are displayed, more entries gets fewer days. on options you can decide whether you want to see all appointments, to do items, or both, etc. there is some wasted space to the left under the date, but with the tiny font for hi res+ you get lots shown. i had the same complaints as you Jeff, and thus was going back and forth. but the list view seems to do what you want the 3 day and week view to do. check it out.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Dated note taking?
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, aschell98 wrote:
> I hope I'm remembering correctly. I believe his take on it is that
> number of appointments shown was more important than amount of text.
> I think the issue here is that the list view is much more than just a
> straight list of appointments. When you use it for filtering, say
> showing a list of all birthdays etc. having a dividing line between
> each would really waste space in that context. What I'd like to see
> him do is take the week view, specifically the 3 day view option and
> either change it or add one more, that shows everything for the day
> without the need to tap it like you do now. Does that make sense?
In my book its pretty simple; through most of DB5 he is interested
in simple display.. the 3 day view has 3 equal sized boxes. The week view
has a bunch of boxes in 2 columns. This shows that he is either more
concerned with simple display work, or in achieving the stated 3-day
goal... however, is that the correct goal, or is the real goal to give you
a good view of whats going on in those 3 days? (subtly different)
To me it is a sin to have 3 equal sized little boxes. If the top
day has a single item, it wastes all the space below it (in 3 day view
mode). Then the second day has only say 6 lines or whatever to show what
it is.. and if it has 10 items, you cannot get a good view without
scrolling it up and down. And what if theres nothign at all on the 3rd
day? So you end up with 1 item, a bunch of stuff you need to scroll int he
second spot, and empty wasted space at the bottom. So you've wasted 2/3 of
your screen display, when you could've seen it all were it listed properly
:/
This makes the 3 day view virtually worthless, unless you have
only a few things going on each day... and I usually have at least 4 or 5
meetings a day, and a numebr of todos (like 2-10, depending what slid on
previous days). So none of the DB5 views are any good for me.. I must
always scroll around. In Agenuds (damn them to hell), I can just push the
datebook button, up comes list view, and see ti all. If I need to, I can
scroll down with one button push. Perfect. The rest of the app sucks for
me, but they got this right :)
A better design would be to determine how much is going on each
day and size to fit. Then a pref to allow you to have scrolling within
each box if you insist on it, or show everything in a list and scroll the
whole list. My goal is to show you whats going on in the 3 days, and not
just fit into these 3 predefined boxes.
Scrolling wiuthin each box I think is bad, since it doens't let
you get a complete view of a single day, ever. You always must scroll up
and down to see everything (in each of the 3 boxes!), and by then you've
lost view of whats going on in the other days.. thus rendering the whole
idea of the 3 day view into something that needs too much work -- if you
cannot just glance and see whats going on, I'll go to the next app.
Every time I've looked at DB4 and DB5 I come back to this same
thing. I cannot use it, since it requires micromanaging these little
scrolling areas. 3 day view, week view.. tis all about squishing
everything into these little boxes instead of just showing me the info.
The rest of the application is genius.. but these views are just
the opposite of what I believe in, which is making things suit the needs.
And maybe my needs differ from everyones, but thats nomatter.. they're my
needs, and the app doesn't fit them :) Perhaps working with saved views
and such would clear it up by making more specific views, but then I'd
still have to switch between a few views to see everything.. and I'm all
about what I can see at a glance. I've no time to muck arond with the
stylus.. I flip the lid, push one button and go to the meeting I see
listed. I can't scroll around.. I'm busy walking to the meeting :)
I hate to say it, but I cannot use DB5 :(
I really really wish I could, but it drives me nuts :)
jeff
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| 7546 |
From: tljr_2000 <tlj1@c...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:00pm
Subject: Re: DB5
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Jeff - I'm wondering the same thing as Kevin. Under "Options",
within the view that Kevin is describing, you can also choose to
show 'time' and 'icon'. And even with small font (vs. tiny font),
you get a lot on the screen. I know we should put the topic to rest,
but I'm curious as to whether or not this accomplishes (or at least
somewhat accomplishes) your ojectives.
Todd
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> isn't the list view in DB5 what you are looking for? it condenses
the day to fit the number of entries. if you have few entries, more
days are displayed, more entries gets fewer days. on options you can
decide whether you want to see all appointments, to do items, or
both, etc. there is some wasted space to the left under the date,
but with the tiny font for hi res+ you get lots shown. i had the
same complaints as you Jeff, and thus was going back and forth. but
the list view seems to do what you want the 3 day and week view to
do. check it out.
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Mitchell
> To: shadow-discuss@y...
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Dated note taking?
>
>
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, aschell98 wrote:
>
> > I hope I'm remembering correctly. I believe his take on it is
that
> > number of appointments shown was more important than amount of
text.
> > I think the issue here is that the list view is much more than
just a
> > straight list of appointments. When you use it for filtering,
say
> > showing a list of all birthdays etc. having a dividing line
between
> > each would really waste space in that context. What I'd like
to see
> > him do is take the week view, specifically the 3 day view
option and
> > either change it or add one more, that shows everything for the
day
> > without the need to tap it like you do now. Does that make
sense?
>
> In my book its pretty simple; through most of DB5 he is
interested
> in simple display.. the 3 day view has 3 equal sized boxes. The
week view
> has a bunch of boxes in 2 columns. This shows that he is either
more
> concerned with simple display work, or in achieving the stated 3-
day
> goal... however, is that the correct goal, or is the real goal to
give you
> a good view of whats going on in those 3 days? (subtly different)
>
> To me it is a sin to have 3 equal sized little boxes. If
the top
> day has a single item, it wastes all the space below it (in 3 day
view
> mode). Then the second day has only say 6 lines or whatever to
show what
> it is.. and if it has 10 items, you cannot get a good view without
> scrolling it up and down. And what if theres nothign at all on
the 3rd
> day? So you end up with 1 item, a bunch of stuff you need to
scroll int he
> second spot, and empty wasted space at the bottom. So you've
wasted 2/3 of
> your screen display, when you could've seen it all were it listed
properly
> :/
>
> This makes the 3 day view virtually worthless, unless you
have
> only a few things going on each day... and I usually have at
least 4 or 5
> meetings a day, and a numebr of todos (like 2-10, depending what
slid on
> previous days). So none of the DB5 views are any good for me.. I
must
> always scroll around. In Agenuds (damn them to hell), I can just
push the
> datebook button, up comes list view, and see ti all. If I need
to, I can
> scroll down with one button push. Perfect. The rest of the app
sucks for
> me, but they got this right :)
>
> A better design would be to determine how much is going on
each
> day and size to fit. Then a pref to allow you to have scrolling
within
> each box if you insist on it, or show everything in a list and
scroll the
> whole list. My goal is to show you whats going on in the 3 days,
and not
> just fit into these 3 predefined boxes.
>
> Scrolling wiuthin each box I think is bad, since it doens't
let
> you get a complete view of a single day, ever. You always must
scroll up
> and down to see everything (in each of the 3 boxes!), and by then
you've
> lost view of whats going on in the other days.. thus rendering
the whole
> idea of the 3 day view into something that needs too much work --
if you
> cannot just glance and see whats going on, I'll go to the next
app.
>
> Every time I've looked at DB4 and DB5 I come back to this
same
> thing. I cannot use it, since it requires micromanaging these
little
> scrolling areas. 3 day view, week view.. tis all about squishing
> everything into these little boxes instead of just showing me the
info.
>
> The rest of the application is genius.. but these views are
just
> the opposite of what I believe in, which is making things suit
the needs.
> And maybe my needs differ from everyones, but thats nomatter..
they're my
> needs, and the app doesn't fit them :) Perhaps working with saved
views
> and such would clear it up by making more specific views, but
then I'd
> still have to switch between a few views to see everything.. and
I'm all
> about what I can see at a glance. I've no time to muck arond with
the
> stylus.. I flip the lid, push one button and go to the meeting I
see
> listed. I can't scroll around.. I'm busy walking to the meeting :)
>
> I hate to say it, but I cannot use DB5 :(
>
> I really really wish I could, but it drives me nuts :)
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
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| 7547 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: DB5
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> isn't the list view in DB5 what you are looking for? it condenses the
> day to fit the number of entries. if you have few entries, more days
> are displayed, more entries gets fewer days. on options you can
> decide whether you want to see all appointments, to do items, or both,
> etc. there is some wasted space to the left under the date, but with
> the tiny font for hi res+ you get lots shown. i had the same
> complaints as you Jeff, and thus was going back and forth. but the
> list view seems to do what you want the 3 day and week view to do.
> check it out.
Its that wasted space; it just bugs the hell out of me ;) (Yep,
that much). AN's just *looks* so much better, and I've registered both, so
I'm sadly stickign with AN until I can get somethign else I can deal with.
I'm really wanting to jump ship from AN, but can't cripple my workflow
just yet :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7548 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:08pm
Subject: beta question for those with crash-on-exit
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Only for those using the 2.6 beta 1.
For those who had the application report a crash when you close
it.. can you verify the following:
o) If you've closed all subwindows (so just the Shadow window is
available), do you get a crash report? Or does it only crash when
subwindow is open?
o) If it only crashes when subwindow is open, does the crash only
occur if you have a right hand detail panel open? (ie: If you click back
on the filename at the very top of the left panel, so the detail panel
becomes all empty does it now nolonger crash?)
o) If you use File -> Quit in the Shadow window, does it crash?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7549 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: DB5
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I know this is a bit off topic, but since you use AN regularly Jeff, here is my question (i'm registered for both too but went the Dbk5 route): Is there a way in AN (hate the name Agendus too) to show ONLY the appointments in the day view, getting rid of the divided screen so my whole display is only appointments? I like how in Dbk I can show only appointments, then switch to a different screen for on to do items. A way to do that in AN without having to tap it down every time i open the day view? Thanks, and this will be my last email on this stuff too. : )
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: DB5
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> isn't the list view in DB5 what you are looking for? it condenses the
> day to fit the number of entries. if you have few entries, more days
> are displayed, more entries gets fewer days. on options you can
> decide whether you want to see all appointments, to do items, or both,
> etc. there is some wasted space to the left under the date, but with
> the tiny font for hi res+ you get lots shown. i had the same
> complaints as you Jeff, and thus was going back and forth. but the
> list view seems to do what you want the 3 day and week view to do.
> check it out.
Its that wasted space; it just bugs the hell out of me ;) (Yep,
that much). AN's just *looks* so much better, and I've registered both, so
I'm sadly stickign with AN until I can get somethign else I can deal with.
I'm really wanting to jump ship from AN, but can't cripple my workflow
just yet :)
jeff
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| 7550 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: DB5
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> I know this is a bit off topic, but since you use AN regularly Jeff,
> here is my question (i'm registered for both too but went the Dbk5
> route): Is there a way in AN (hate the name Agendus too) to show ONLY
> the appointments in the day view, getting rid of the divided screen so
> my whole display is only appointments? I like how in Dbk I can show
> only appointments, then switch to a different screen for on to do
> items. A way to do that in AN without having to tap it down every
> time i open the day view? Thanks, and this will be my last email on
> this stuff too. : )
Off the top of my head, I dunno. I only use the list view :) Day
views seem pointless to me since the list view includes the day view, but
with multiple days :) *shrug* (See, I'm not much of a datebook application
user ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7551 |
From: Larry King <larryking23@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: DB5
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Ok, we are all off topic!
Kevin, I just switched from AN (I hate Agendus name too!) to B5, so if I recall correctly, at the bottom right corner there is a button with triangle (mode button), tap it to select different formats to view. You can view a single agenda view(list) or a split agenda view.
Larry
Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...> wrote:I know this is a bit off topic, but since you use AN regularly Jeff, here is my question (i'm registered for both too but went the Dbk5 route): Is there a way in AN (hate the name Agendus too) to show ONLY the appointments in the day view, getting rid of the divided screen so my whole display is only appointments? I like how in Dbk I can show only appointments, then switch to a different screen for on to do items. A way to do that in AN without having to tap it down every time i open the day view? Thanks, and this will be my last email on this stuff too. : )
Kevin
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| 7552 |
From: harper2012 <bc1223@e...>
Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 11:56pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Improvements
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
<much snippage about a large array of prospective desktop
improvements---go Jeff! >
> I may likely offer a simple print method where you can just pick
some
> options (which columns, what overall print srtyle, etc), and then
allow
> oyu
to make your own templates ot further customize.
>
This would be great....I'd love to use Shadow as my "See! Look
what I've accomplished!" list to show my boss, for completed
tasks. It would also need to be my "See *when* I accomplished
it" list.
> I think I'll add some import/export to basic CSV files, to make it
> easier to work with MSProject and MSWord and MSExcel type
files.
>
And *this* might resolve the whole "See!" list issue right here. If I
could get my list of completed work tasks into a nice Excel or
Word file, I could just email it to the head honcho.
Also, being able to choose which categories to export out to the
.csv file (or whether "completed" vs. "not completed" items are
exported, etc.) would be nice too.
Anyhow, just wanted to chime and provide some .csv-export
cheerleading....hope it's not an awfully hard thing to implement.
Thanks for all of your work, Jeff!
Best regards,
Beth Cunningham
(P.S. I'm a Mac user, too, so of course this means I'm also
keeping an eye out for Mac desktop news! But in the meantime
I'll just keep firing up the Shadow desktop app on my work PC
instead.)
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| 7553 |
From: Jeff Mitchell& | |
