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From: Julian Melville  <julian@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 11:18am
Subject: RE: Desktop Improvements

 
> There doesn't seem to be much discussion on the Shadow-desktop site.
> There were only two posts for all of September.  I hope this isn't
> indicative of a lack of interest by users in desktop functionality. I

Nononono... e.g. I'm actively using the desktop as it stands, I'm just not
bothering to discuss anything (I mean, there's not much to discuss yet...)
until some of the new stuff comes out. Shadow will become even more useful
to me when that happens.

Julian.
7302

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 0:52pm
Subject: Any news on PG?

 
Anyone heard any rumours or news?

	More weird stuff from PalmGear..

	Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe me any
money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies.  (Well how about
all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)

	This is bizarre..

	1) Did they loose their database?!
	2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
	3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)

	Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company. Every day
is a new challenge :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7303

From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: RE: Any news on PG?

 
It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ). 

I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
:)

Saludos,
Fred. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
> 
> 
> 
> 	Anyone heard any rumours or news?
> 
> 	More weird stuff from PalmGear..
> 
> 	Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe 
> me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies. 
>  (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
> 
> 	This is bizarre..
> 
> 	1) Did they loose their database?!
> 	2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
> 	3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
> 
> 	Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company. 
> Every day is a new challenge :/
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... 
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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7304

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 2:06pm
Subject: RE: Any news on PG?

 
This could also be a "speak now or forever keep your peace" kind of thing.
For those developers that didn't keep good records, or can't be bothered to
respond, PalmGear can then ignore that obligation. Whatever.

Scott


                                                                                                                          
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It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).

I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
:)

Saludos,
Fred.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>
>
>
>          Anyone heard any rumours or news?
>
>          More weird stuff from PalmGear..
>
>          Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe
> me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies.
>  (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
>
>          This is bizarre..
>
>          1) Did they loose their database?!
>          2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
>          3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
>
>          Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company.
> Every day is a new challenge :/
>
>                    jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games....
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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7305

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 2:18pm
Subject: RE: Any news on PG?

 
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Frederick G. Turner wrote:

> It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
> companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made
> a lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).

	Yeah. I drew the line at 5 or 6 months without pay from them.
Others drew the line earlier, while still many have gone what, 8 months
without seeing a cheque from them. I know a lot of little companies who PG
put out of business, and I wasn't going to stand for that myself..

	Thankfully, Codejedi store is up and doing well, taking the main
body of my orders now :) (whew! Stop depending on other folks when they
get.. reckless)

> I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
> suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
> something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or
> her hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance
> guy. :)

	I've never seen such a thing. A company asking how much that they
owe me? Thats an open letter for disaster, especially for a company whose
not been paying people. "I think I'll add 20% interest to how much you owe
me..." that sort of thing :)

	At least I'm okay by them. We fought it out and they gave me a
chunk of how mcuh they owe me, to shut me up. ITs not the best deal (I
lost a lot of money on them), but at least I got enough to pay the bills,
unlike a lot of others :(

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7306

From: Robert Skillings  <Bob.Skillings@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 3:03pm
Subject: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Griff" <keith@t...> wrote:
> I'm glad I'm not the only one...recently I've found my $600 
> investment being used for little more than a time clock, alarm 
clock, 
> and video player.
> 
> Have you made any of those hard choices?
> 

Absolutely.

I can't help you with using Shadow & DB5, but I went through the same 
frustration you mentioned and finally had to decide which application 
was to be the 'master' (i.e. main source of all information) and 
which one's were going to be recipients of that information.  

After months of using each app for a specific function (few of which 
talked to one another), I finally took an hour or so to map out how 
my typical day goes and decided how my handheld was going to make 
things easier for me.  

FWIW, I decided on the following;

Shadow HH
- used to store project related dates, milestones, basic notes, etc.
- as tasks come due, they are pushed out to the Palm To Do app

Palm To Do app
- used only for active tasks.
- notes page is used only for basic outlines, drafts, keeping track 
of what I'm doing or need to do for this task.
- Palm To Do app interfaces with MS Outlook at work so I can 
seamlessly transfer data from HH to desktop and stay productive 
regardless of location and keep only 1 task list.
- as tasks are finished, I cut/paste finished docs that I need to 
keep from notes into the Palm MemoPad app.

Palm MemoPad app
- used mainly to store finished procedures, work docs, kids soccer 
playing rotation, etc that I need to reference frequently.
- as needed, I use Megawiki to link specific docs to projects stored 
back in Shadow.
- I also use Megawiki to link to the DayNotez app for keeping minutes 
in meetings.

DayNotez app
- used exclusively for keeping notes in work meetings, temporarily 
record tasks assigned to me or my team during meetings, etc.
- at the end of the meeting, new tasks are pushed out to the Palm To 
Do app using Megawiki.
- DayNotez app also interfaces with MS Outlook at work so I can clean 
up my notes, cut / paste them into an email and assign tasks to my 
team without having to rekey them.


Once I had the above defined, I took a post-it note, sketched out the 
basic 'flow' of information and put it inside the case to my HH.  
After a few short days, I noticed I wasn't fumbling for information 
like I had previously done and found my investment was paying off 
again and not just an expensive alarm clock for meetings.

Couple of points to consider; 
- ShadowLink can probably be used in many of the places I referenced 
Megawiki, I set up my workflow before it came out and haven't had a 
chance to evaluate how I can make it work for me.

- Palm Memo Pad app has an upper limit on notes (2K ?) and I'm 
considering switching over to PEdit to get around this limitation, 
but I haven't researched it yet either.


My solution probably won't be the answer to your problem, as Jeff 
says repeatedly "Your mileage may vary", but I encourage you to 
sketch out your workflow.  Sounds pretty basic, but it helped me 
tremendously.

Hope you find something useful in this too-long post.
7307

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:25pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?

 
or else another way to save money...if you say they owe you less than they had in their numbers, they agree to your lower number and save money.  my guess is a hope that many didn't keep good records and they will play ignorant as to what they truly know.  my opinion.
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Frederick G. Turner 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:50 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?


  It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
  companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
  lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ). 

  I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
  suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
  something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
  hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
  :)

  Saludos,
  Fred. 

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
  > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >       Anyone heard any rumours or news?
  > 
  >       More weird stuff from PalmGear..
  > 
  >       Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe 
  > me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies. 
  >  (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
  > 
  >       This is bizarre..
  > 
  >       1) Did they loose their database?!
  >       2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
  >       3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
  > 
  >       Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company. 
  > Every day is a new challenge :/
  > 
  >             jeff
  > 
  > --
  > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
  > own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
  > Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... 
  > Who does he calculate he is?"
  > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Tom Anderson  <tom@e...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 3:34pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?

 
I would think it's more likely their records are not in the best order, and they want to find out exactly where they stand as a preliminary to digging out from under. Of course, I tend to assume people are honest but can make bad mistakes.

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On 10/2/2002 at 8:25 AM Kevin Giberson wrote:

>or else another way to save money...if you say they owe you less than
>they had in their numbers, they agree to your lower number and save money.
> my guess is a hope that many didn't keep good records and they will play
>ignorant as to what they truly know.  my opinion.
>kevin
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Frederick G. Turner 
>  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:50 AM
>  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>
>
>  It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
>  companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
>  lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ). 
>
>  I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
>  suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
>  something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
>  hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
>  :)
>
>  Saludos,
>  Fred. 
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
>  > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
>  > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  >       Anyone heard any rumours or news?
>  > 
>  >       More weird stuff from PalmGear..
>  > 
>  >       Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe 
>  > me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies. 
>  >  (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
>  > 
>  >       This is bizarre..
>  > 
>  >       1) Did they loose their database?!
>  >       2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
>  >       3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
>  > 
>  >       Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company. 
>  > Every day is a new challenge :/
>  > 
>  >             jeff
>  > 
>  > --
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>  > own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
>  > Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... 
>  > Who does he calculate he is?"
>  > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Laurie Leonard  <lleonard@m...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:02pm
Subject: Fatal error

 
Normally Shadow works fine for me but today suddenly when I was switching
from Shadow to Datebook3 I got a fatal error and had to do a soft reset.  I
haven't installed anything new or done anything unusual that would have
caused this.  Now I keep getting a message that says "Broken Links" giving
me the option of severing all broken links.  I do that, clicking on "Sever
All Broken Links" but the message reappears every time I switch from another
application back to Shadow. What can I do?
7310

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Fatal error

 
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Laurie Leonard wrote:

> Normally Shadow works fine for me but today suddenly when I was
> switching from Shadow to Datebook3 I got a fatal error and had to do a
> soft reset.  I haven't installed anything new or done anything unusual
> that would have caused this.  Now I keep getting a message that says
> "Broken Links" giving me the option of severing all broken links.  I
> do that, clicking on "Sever All Broken Links" but the message
> reappears every time I switch from another application back to Shadow.
> What can I do?

	We need to figure out what that crash was about, I think. IDeally,
anyway.

	When you get the big "Sever Links" warning, its because that list
has one or more links to outside objects which don't exist (like a ToDo or
Datebook item that you linked out, then deleted in another app). If you
hit "Seevral all", but dont' actually change anything in the list, the
Sever doesn't actually take place. (ie: So that if you made a mistake, you
can back out real fast, and not lose your links, in case you wanted the
broken ones for something). If you do the Sever, then change *something*
in the list, the sever will take, and you wont' get pestered anymore.

	How were you switching from Shadow to DB3?

		jeff	

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7311

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?

 
with the actions of these guys...way past assuming they are honest and ethical.  likely a way to get out of paying again.
kevin
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Anderson 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?


  I would think it's more likely their records are not in the best order, and they want to find out exactly where they stand as a preliminary to digging out from under. Of course, I tend to assume people are honest but can make bad mistakes.




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7312

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 5:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again

 
>From: "Griff" <keith@t...>

>I'm glad I'm not the only one...recently I've found my $600
>investment being used for little more than a time clock, alarm clock,
>and video player.
>
>Have you made any of those hard choices?
>
>I am leaning towards going to Shadow only...I really don't have to
>see my appointments together...and I should be able to build all of
>the same view functionality DB5 has with Shadow's tags and views.
>Have to admit though that the cosmetic difference will be tough.


Yeah, I imagine a world where Shadow has icons, and a better way of 
handling/displaying linked appointments.  Like using the same auto import 
tags when adding to the datebook ([[[list]]]), and prepending the time to 
the description within shadow:  [10:00 - 12:00]. Hey, this could even be put 
into the first line of the note to conserve space.  Could be a one time only 
thing that would happen on creation of a datebook link, or import.  If user 
changes the time in datebook, the user is responsible to update this info so 
no additional overhead.

I really haven't made my hard choices yet.  I was moving into using Datebk5 
more, but now I've got a T615, and love the tiny fonts in shadow.  Problem 
is, I really don't have very detailed projects, yet love playing with 
complicated preferences/setups.

...sigh...

I'll go back to my eternal app switching now  ;)




>--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Anthony Schellenberg" wrote:
> >
> > I too struggle with which program should be the master.  I find
>right now
> > I'm spending far too much time doing setup in both programs.

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From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 6:10pm
Subject: feature request

 
Jeff,
Would it be possible in the next version of ShadowPlan to provide a choice of different bullets to denote specific outlining levels as well as the number and letter choices you now provide? I use the number/letter system for formal outlines, but they are not desirable for other tasks. For instance, I keep my daily diary, in which I record what I do and when I do it, in Shadow as a multi-level informal outline. Each month is a document, under which each date is the first level, then each time and activity is a second level and specific notes are at lower levels. For instance, what I am doing right now is recorded as:
10/02/02, Wednesday
     13:34 Lunch
             Read Yahoo email
 
My problem is sthat it is very easy for me to become confused as to what level I am working on. The result is that for instance I occasionally accidently put in a group of times at the first rather than second level, so that they are now not attached to a date. When I try to correct that later it is difficult to get them in the proper order under the appropriate date.
What I would like to do is assign a different bullet choice to each level so that I can instantly see what level my latest entry is on and, if it is on the wrong level, correct the problem immediately. Obviously the number/letter structure of formal outline would create confusion.
Thanks,
Bert



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7314

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: feature request

 
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

> Would it be possible in the next version of ShadowPlan to provide a

	Not in the next version; the current thrust is to beef up the
desktop and conduit, as they were virtually ignored for awhile while
preparing Shadow Plan 2.5. For the multiple bullet types feature we'll
have to do lots of thinking too -- is it to be a file level pref (liek the
locking of autonumbering), or a sublevel by sublevel thing, and how to UI
and store it, etc. So it won't be for awhile I'm afraid :(

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7315

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 9:51pm
Subject: PG Ad

 
FYI, since we've been talking about PalmGear, you might want to know
that your ad there (the one below the navigation bar on the left, not a
banner) shows up with Shadow 2.2 although it does link to version 2.5 in
the product database when you click it.

Jen

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7316

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 9:57pm
Subject: Re: PG Ad

 
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> FYI, since we've been talking about PalmGear, you might want to know
> that your ad there (the one below the navigation bar on the left, not
> a banner) shows up with Shadow 2.2 although it does link to version
> 2.5 in the product database when you click it.

	yeah. It won't be there much longer I imagine (the ad), so I'm not
too worried about it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7317

From: John Rieley  <johnrieley@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 11:20pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?

 
Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>     ...Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned
> company. Every day is a new challenge :/

Do you suggest we consumers veer away from them to another
vendor?

John Rieley
7318

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 11:31pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?

 
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Rieley wrote:

> >     ...Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned
> > company. Every day is a new challenge :/
> 
> Do you suggest we consumers veer away from them to another vendor?

	I dunno if there are legal implications.. but take this:

	PalmGear hasn't paid a lot of developers in about 8 months.. even
though the money is the developers and not PGs. Took me 5 months before I
got anything from them, and only because I got very very angry.

	PG keeps 25% of the sale price for themself. Handango keeps
30%. Each authors own stores usually keep 0-15%, so they are always
preferable.

	So if you want your money to go to the developer.. use their own
store :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7319

From: Andy Bryant  <ajbwap@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:36am
Subject: Archiving checked items

 
Quick Q...

Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to 
another?

I've got a running to-do list, and don't want to delete the completed 
items - but do want to move them to an 'archive list'.

What's the best way to do this?

Cheers, Andy.
7320

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:46am
Subject: Re: Archiving checked items

 
Andy Bryant wrote:


>
> Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to
> another?
>
> I've got a running to-do list, and don't want to delete the completed
> items - but do want to move them to an 'archive list'.
>
> What's the best way to do this?

Cut and Send To File under the [c] popmenu at upper right.  You can also use
the several cut/copy checked items menu commands under Edit to move the
checked items to the clipboard, then use Send To File to dump them to your
'archive list.'

Ling
--
7321

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Archiving checked items

 
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Andy Bryant wrote:

> Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to 
> another?

	Do you mean Archive or Copy?

	If you mean archive as in delete-and-archive, then you can just do
a "delete all checked" and when asked, hit "Archive", and everything will
get sent to the _Archive_ file. 

	If you mean Copy, then just use the clip. Copy all Checked, and
Send to .. to ship the clipboard off to another list, and then hit Clear
Clip.

	Cheers,

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7322

From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 2:12pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?

 
Just to add to Jeff's response, I usually use PalmGear as a search tool to
find the software I want. Then I just use google to find the creators own
site. I think I would be willing to register by snail mail rather than use
PalmGear or Handango. Just my .02.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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                    10/02/2002                                                                                     
                    06:31 PM                                                                                       
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Rieley wrote:

> >     ...Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned
> > company. Every day is a new challenge :/
>
> Do you suggest we consumers veer away from them to another vendor?

           I dunno if there are legal implications.. but take this:

           PalmGear hasn't paid a lot of developers in about 8 months..
even
though the money is the developers and not PGs. Took me 5 months before I
got anything from them, and only because I got very very angry.

           PG keeps 25% of the sale price for themself. Handango keeps
30%. Each authors own stores usually keep 0-15%, so they are always
preferable.

           So if you want your money to go to the developer.. use their own
store :)

                     jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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7323

From: Stewart Midwinter  <stewart@m...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 3:06pm
Subject: Shadow Crash after hard reset

 
Due to a little accident with my Handera (I accidentally allowed one 
of the batteries to touch the wrong contacts while changing 
batteries), I lost all data. No problem, I just re-synced and 
BackupBuddy took care of everything. 

Now, the problem. When I now start up Shadow, my Handera crashes 
immediately with a Fatal Exception message.  I tried deleted 
Shadow.prc and re-loading it, but that was no help.  Should I delete 
some other files as well? e.g. ShadP- , ShadViews, etc.   BTW my 
Shadow.prc was in RAM, not on my CF card, and I have no shortcut set 
up for it.

Thanks for any clues!

Stewart in Calgary
7324

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Crash after hard reset

 
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Stewart Midwinter wrote:

> Due to a little accident with my Handera (I accidentally allowed one
> of the batteries to touch the wrong contacts while changing
> batteries), I lost all data. No problem, I just re-synced and
> BackupBuddy took care of everything.
> 
> Now, the problem. When I now start up Shadow, my Handera crashes
> immediately with a Fatal Exception message.  I tried deleted
> Shadow.prc and re-loading it, but that was no help.  Should I delete
> some other files as well? e.g. ShadP- , ShadViews, etc.  BTW my
> Shadow.prc was in RAM, not on my CF card, and I have no shortcut set
> up for it.

	If you have a fancy tool or launcher, try deleting your
Prefs. They can sometimes get corrupted when whacky stuff happens, or
perhaps they have some state which nolonger applies due to lost settings
and whatnot. If your'e stuck, let me know, I'll try and think of a way to
clear the prefs :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7325

From: Griff  <keith@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again

 
FWIW, Datebk5 now supports tiny fonts...I too love Shadow for the 
list views though.

I love playing too...I once wrote an entire goal, project, task, life 
management system in HanDBase...took a good 2 days of work on a 
retreat up to the mountains...it was awesome...and technically worked 
very well...

Problem is it wasn't useful in day to day life <LOL>

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...> 
wrote:

> 
> I really haven't made my hard choices yet.  I was moving into using 
Datebk5 
> more, but now I've got a T615, and love the tiny fonts in shadow.  
Problem 
> is, I really don't have very detailed projects, yet love playing 
with 
> complicated preferences/setups.
> 
> ...sigh...
> 
> I'll go back to my eternal app switching now  ;)
>
7326

From: Stewart Midwinter  <stewart@m...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:06pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Crash after hard reset

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	If you have a fancy tool or launcher, try deleting your
> Prefs. 

nope, didn't work (Saved and Unsaved both deleted).  Nor did deleting 
ShadFilters, ShadViews, ShadTags, or indeed deleting *all* of my 
Shadow files (I have a backup on my PC).   But, good news... I 
installed a new copy of Shadow.prc, from my Shadow25.zip file, and 
all is well. 

It appears that under some circumstances, a Shadow can move over to 
the dark side ... that is, become corrupted.  It happens to the best 
of us :-)

cheers,
Stewart in Calgary
7327

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:30am
Subject: intrusive spam defences..

 
As a rule.. if you ask for help, and I reply, and you have an
automated spam defence which mails me back, asking me to click on a link,
watch some ads, and fill out a form, to get the email through.. 

	I won't.

		Jeff

	(I'm seeing more and more of these. It means you're letting psdam
rule you into bad ideas.. so you've already lost :/)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7328

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:31am
Subject: Let me add..

 
Today I had about 5 or 10 registrations where the folks had spam
defence. Registration is automatic.. I don't participate in it.. I just
randomly checked the returnbox for registration mailouts today, and low
and behold..

	If your'e going to have a draconian spam defence (can't blame you
really :/), you should be very careful to manually tune it, and watch its
catches...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7329

From: Knut Zakariassen  <lists@z...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 8:38am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 659

 
It was once uttered on the shadow-discuss list...

<snip..>

> Message: 4
>    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:12:42 -0500
>    From: smasters@a...
> Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
> 
> 
> Just to add to Jeff's response, I usually use PalmGear as a search tool to
> find the software I want. Then I just use google to find the creators own
> site. I think I would be willing to register by snail mail rather than use
> PalmGear or Handango. Just my .02.
> 
> Scott
> 

A little comment regarding the current discussion:

<rant>
For Non-US / Overseas Customers, there is another factor that hasn't been mentioned
yet.. And that's the dependability and and ease of use of the store.

A _lot_ of the smaller, developer-owned webshops has a nasty tendency to 'forget' that
there are countries beyond the borders of the USofA. I've lost count of how many times 
I've gone to a developers webshop to buy some software, only to discover that although
they have fancy drop down lists with more countries than I've heard of, the processing
script still demands that I enter which of the 50 states I live in, and / or it will
not accept a Non-US zip/post-code.

Ok.

So then I send a polite mail to the owner/webmaster to ask him to make his processing page
and / or scripts a little more world-friendly. What happens? 

Well I'll let you in on a little secret.. I'm on my fifth year using a PalmOS device, 
and I've yet to get a reply to a mail asking a developer to change the processing pages 
and scripts. 
Much less any real life effects to the pages and scripts.. :-/

So, I guess thats why I've stayed with PalmGear. So far, at least, they've shown the courtesy
to me as a customer, to make it possible to enter my shipping and charging details in a way that
is at least remotely similar to the way I'd enter them in Real Life..
</rant>

Mind You, Jeff's store seems to be one of the very few and _very_ laudable exceptions. 

When the Unix desktop hits the streets, I know where I'll get it from. :-)

Regards, Knut Zakariassen
7330

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 8:59am
Subject: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
I'm using Blue Squirrel's SpamSleuth, which weeds out emails that seem 
likely to be spam, and "suspends" them for the user to check and allow or 
veto as appropriate.  It does require the user to "train" the program 
(identify good senders, and adjust the program's ratings to suit individual 
needs) and to go through the suspended emails (I forgot for a couple of 
days, then found a long-awaited email sitting there!) but it is a useful 
and *non-aggressive* filter (IMHO)

If anyone is interested in learning more, visit Blue Squirrel at 
www.bluesquirrel.com

I have no connection with them, except as a satisfied customer, BTW

At 07:22 04/10/2002 +0000, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>(I'm seeing more and more of these. It means you're letting psdam
>rule you into bad ideas.. so you've already lost :/)

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)
7331

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> I'm using Blue Squirrel's SpamSleuth, which weeds out emails that seem
> likely to be spam, and "suspends" them for the user to check and allow
> or veto as appropriate.  It does require the user to "train" the
> program (identify good senders, and adjust the program's ratings to
> suit individual needs) and to go through the suspended emails (I
> forgot for a couple of days, then found a long-awaited email sitting
> there!) but it is a useful and *non-aggressive* filter (IMHO)

	See, thats okay in my books. Its intrusive to the user (you),
until it gets trained. And you know you need to check your inbox a bit.

	Its the ones that send me back an email and requier me 5 minutes
of work to get an email through, when a person sends me a 5 word question
:)

	For that matter, I need to get a good list of places to ban
.. we're getting abotu 20 or so spam attempts a day to the mailing lists
here. They all get caught, but its sure adding up in my bounce-box :P

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7332

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 659

 
that's a real intelligent reason for such a decision...sounds like you need a hobby in life!  ; )
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Knut Zakariassen 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 659


  It was once uttered on the shadow-discuss list...

  <snip..>

  > Message: 4
  >    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:12:42 -0500
  >    From: smasters@a...
  > Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
  > 
  > 
  > Just to add to Jeff's response, I usually use PalmGear as a search tool to
  > find the software I want. Then I just use google to find the creators own
  > site. I think I would be willing to register by snail mail rather than use
  > PalmGear or Handango. Just my .02.
  > 
  > Scott
  > 

  A little comment regarding the current discussion:

  <rant>
  For Non-US / Overseas Customers, there is another factor that hasn't been mentioned
  yet.. And that's the dependability and and ease of use of the store.

  A _lot_ of the smaller, developer-owned webshops has a nasty tendency to 'forget' that
  there are countries beyond the borders of the USofA. I've lost count of how many times 
  I've gone to a developers webshop to buy some software, only to discover that although
  they have fancy drop down lists with more countries than I've heard of, the processing
  script still demands that I enter which of the 50 states I live in, and / or it will
  not accept a Non-US zip/post-code.

  Ok.

  So then I send a polite mail to the owner/webmaster to ask him to make his processing page
  and / or scripts a little more world-friendly. What happens? 

  Well I'll let you in on a little secret.. I'm on my fifth year using a PalmOS device, 
  and I've yet to get a reply to a mail asking a developer to change the processing pages 
  and scripts. 
  Much less any real life effects to the pages and scripts.. :-/

  So, I guess thats why I've stayed with PalmGear. So far, at least, they've shown the courtesy
  to me as a customer, to make it possible to enter my shipping and charging details in a way that
  is at least remotely similar to the way I'd enter them in Real Life..
  </rant>

  Mind You, Jeff's store seems to be one of the very few and _very_ laudable exceptions. 

  When the Unix desktop hits the streets, I know where I'll get it from. :-)

  Regards, Knut Zakariassen




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
7333

From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@b...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> asking me to click on a link, watch some ads, and fill 
> out a form, to get the email through... I won't.

The first one is reasonable. The second two aren't.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-04
7334

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
shouldn't have to do either!  spend your time putting specific senders into a rule that puts their mail directly to your deleted messages, don't make others work to get an email to you.  people that want me to do that usually don't hear from me by email.  my thoughts.
kevin
p.s.  if you'd quit entering porn sites your spam would likely decrease.  ; )




------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bblackmoor 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:39 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: intrusive spam defences..


  Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  > 
  > asking me to click on a link, watch some ads, and fill 
  > out a form, to get the email through... I won't.

  The first one is reasonable. The second two aren't.

  bblackmoor@b...
  2002-10-04





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
7335

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 1:46am
Subject: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?

 
Jeff,

Concerning the bug where all marked ToDos are not imported in a single
pass.  Was it supposed to be fixed in 2.5.6a?

Cause its still there for me.

Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, HH 2.5.6a (beta)

Ken
7336

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 2:43am
Subject: Re: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?

 
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:

> Concerning the bug where all marked ToDos are not imported in a single
> pass.  Was it supposed to be fixed in 2.5.6a?
> 
> Cause its still there for me.
> 
> Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, HH 2.5.6a (beta)

	I don't recall this ever being a bug :) (ie: Either I never knew,
or I knew and it fell of my list). I'm only aware that some few units seem
to require the filename hint to be 5 characters or longer. No idea why
that occurs (ie: what is common between the rare units it is a problem on)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7337

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 3:13am
Subject: My Suggestions

 
thanks first.

1. we need a real powerful desktop, and you can have a look at bonsai 
or brainforest desktop, esp bonsai.

2. I hope desktop shadow could be dispayed like palm version, the 
same outlook, same functions, just more convenient.

3. did you notice actually other users are switching from other 
software to your program? Like me, please add import from brainforest 
functions cause I have lots of bf data.

4. 19.99$, not that expensive comparing to other outliner, butta, I 
really wish it could be 10$ around. Anyway, I won't hesitate if 
shadow can be better and meet my demands....

Thanks again!
7338

From: sweetpoet888  <sweetpoet888@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Desktop files not syncing

 
My desktop files are not syncing to the handheld.  I have the conduit 
turned on, and the desktop files are in the ShadowPlan160 folder.  
But I don't see them on my handheld after the sync?

Jeff, any ideas on what's going on?
7339

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 4:14pm
Subject: Re: My Suggestions

 
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> 1. we need a real powerful desktop, and you can have a look at bonsai
> or brainforest desktop, esp bonsai.

	Wokring on the desktop. It was on hold for awhile to get Shadow
2.5 out. Now that 2.5 is out, the desktop and conduit are the focus. New
conduit is in testing now.

> 2. I hope desktop shadow could be dispayed like palm version, the same
> outlook, same functions, just more convenient.

	A thing to remember is that the desktop is not the handheld; a
handheld is for mobility. The desktop is for more power. So it will be
different and complimentary. To support the many types of users and the
many types of lists, I expect to offer many views.. the current two-panel
view is one, and I'll likely add a spreadsheet like view, and maybe a
combined view like on the handheld.. depends on your needs and usage :)

> 3. did you notice actually other users are switching from other
> software to your program? Like me, please add import from brainforest
> functions cause I have lots of bf data.

	You can import via memo from brainforest. The other guys don't
publish their data formats like I do, so I cannot easily import directly
from them. (ie: I could perhaps reverse engineer their formats, which is
of dubious legality. But they they can and shoudl change at will to
supoprt their product, meaning I'd be forever trying to fix import modules
rather than real work :) So import via memo import works, and you can do
some import via the Desktop (see a post in Shadow-tips I made for how).

	Better imports eventually though.

> 4. 19.99$, not that expensive comparing to other outliner, butta, I
> really wish it could be 10$ around. Anyway, I won't hesitate if shadow
> can be better and meet my demands....

	Shadow is $12.99 for hh-only, $19.99 for the works. Its half the
price of BF, and worth twice as much. I'm already barely making a profit,
so going lower isn't likely. Really, Shadow is worth very much more.
Remember, desktop outliners are in the $50-$150 range :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7340

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 4:15pm
Subject: Re: Desktop files not syncing

 
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, sweetpoet888 wrote:

> My desktop files are not syncing to the handheld.  I have the conduit 
> turned on, and the desktop files are in the ShadowPlan160 folder.  
> But I don't see them on my handheld after the sync?
> 
> Jeff, any ideas on what's going on?

	Depends on how you got them there. Easiest would be to ask the
Shadow Desktop base window to send up the files you'd like to send up, and
they'll go next synch. The files merely being there wont' send them up..
you might be working on them, or they might be files previously on the
handheld but deleted (we leave them on the desktop for backup sake).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7341

From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@b...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
"Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
>
> spend your time putting specific senders into a rule 
> that puts their mail directly to your deleted 
> messages,

I guess you are new to email. What you describe doesn't work:
spam-bots create a new "from" address for every batch of email.

> p.s.  if you'd quit entering porn sites your spam would likely decrease.

Anyone who uses the WWW, posts to USeNet, or buys anything online will
get spam. The more you use the net, the more spam you get. Porn has
nothing to do with it. Don't be an ass.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-05
7342

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
well said mr. mature!  lighten up, sounds like you've been using email a bit too much in life.  what i describe does work for the majority of senders over time.  what was described before as having to hit links to send email, to each his own, but many i know won't bother to respond to such.  a bit defensive on the porn comment too...hmm!  ; )
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bblackmoor 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:16 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: intrusive spam defences..



  I guess you are new to email. What you describe doesn't work:
  spam-bots create a new "from" address for every batch of email.

  Anyone who uses the WWW, posts to USeNet, or buys anything online will
  get spam. The more you use the net, the more spam you get. Porn has
  nothing to do with it. Don't be an ass.

  bblackmoor@b...
  2002-10-05




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From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 1:48am
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..

 
A suggestion for managing spam. Use two email addresses. use one as a "public address" that you give to vendors, etc., on the Internet. Keep the other as "private" and only give it out to friends. This is what I do. The result: I get as many as 40 spam messages every day in my "public" email address. But I also get newsletters, Palm software upgrade notices, etc., that I do want in that mailbox. every day I go through and clean it out, which is not a big deal -- I just read the address and header of each email and delete the spam. I am particularly amused by the email I get in French from some winery in France -- I don't speak French and have no idea of how I got on their mail list, but I just delete it.
I still do get some spam on my second address, but not much. Mostly I get emails from friends, which is the idea. Then I use my Yahoo address strictly for the various Yahoo user groups like Shadow that I want to read. Works for me. I realize this is not a solution for Jeff with the huge amount of busines related email that he must handle with his software business, but I thought that others reading this might find this strategy useful for their personal email addresses.
Bert
 bblackmoor wrote:"Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
>
> spend your time putting specific senders into a rule 
> that puts their mail directly to your deleted 
> messages,

I guess you are new to email. What you describe doesn't work:
spam-bots create a new "from" address for every batch of email.

> p.s.  if you'd quit entering porn sites your spam would likely decrease.

Anyone who uses the WWW, posts to USeNet, or buys anything online will
get spam. The more you use the net, the more spam you get. Porn has
nothing to do with it. Don't be an ass.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-05






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From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 4:56am
Subject: Re: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:
> 
> > Concerning the bug where all marked ToDos are not imported in a
single
> > pass.  Was it supposed to be fixed in 2.5.6a?
> > 
> > Cause its still there for me.
> > 
> > Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, HH 2.5.6a (beta)
> 
> 	I don't recall this ever being a bug :) (ie: Either I never knew,
> or I knew and it fell of my list). I'm only aware that some few
units seem
> to require the filename hint to be 5 characters or longer. No idea
why
> that occurs (ie: what is common between the rare units it is a
problem on)
> 
> 		jeff
> 

That's exactly why I was asking.  The original bug report mutated into
the report on labels of 5 letters or less.  However, the original bug
had nothing (apparently) to do with that.

Take a look at post #6453.  It gives a very good description of the
successive imports necessary to get everything into Shadow.

Its not a bug you can't work around and would only affect you if you
import to several files simultaneously.  Just thought you ought to
know about it...

Ken
7345

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 7:11am
Subject: Mitchell, You Scared me!

 
I found a skeleton.org, ohhh, too scary name! and I then associate 
this to your software's name "shadow"!!! and your web site's color, 
background (Now is not all dark, but I clearly remember your previous 
web site is all DARK which makes me very uncomfortable.......)

WHy? Come out of the shadow, okay? We need sunshine.....check other 
software's website, all looks colorful, attractive.

This might be personal and I might not ask. But this kinda feeling...
7346

From: cho88ss  <corwig@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 8:51pm
Subject: 2.5 install problems

 
I've been using version 2.0 for some time now on a Palm M500 and a 
Windows 98 system without problems. I just paid $9.99 for the desktop 
addition and downloaded version 2.5, but when I tried to install by 
double-clicking Shadow.exe I got the following error messages:

"A required .DLL file, EXPAT.DLL, was not found." and
"Windows error 32 running "C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\Shadow.exe"."

I checked the Microsoft website for EXPAT.DLL information, and all I 
could find was a note that products containing EXPAT.DLL include 
Windows NT Services for Unix 2.0 and 3.0. Since I'm using Windows 98, 
I'm having trouble understanding what I can do to fix the install 
problem - if there truly is a critical .DLL file missing from my 
Windows directory, any advice as to how I get it off the web or the 
Win98 CD-ROM and install it in the right place?
7347

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?

 
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:

> That's exactly why I was asking.  The original bug report mutated into
> the report on labels of 5 letters or less.  However, the original bug
> had nothing (apparently) to do with that.
> 
> Take a look at post #6453.  It gives a very good description of the
> successive imports necessary to get everything into Shadow.
> 
> Its not a bug you can't work around and would only affect you if you
> import to several files simultaneously.  Just thought you ought to
> know about it...

	Curious.

	OKay, I'll re-investigate. I remember reading that, but I mistook
it for something else.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7348

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Mitchell, You Scared me!

 
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> I found a skeleton.org, ohhh, too scary name! and I then associate 
> this to your software's name "shadow"!!! and your web site's color, 
> background (Now is not all dark, but I clearly remember your previous 
> web site is all DARK which makes me very uncomfortable.......)
> 
> WHy? Come out of the shadow, okay? We need sunshine.....check other 
> software's website, all looks colorful, attractive.
> 
> This might be personal and I might not ask. But this kinda feeling...

	Ahh, more history questions :) Bear with me.. I've tired right now
:)

	I originally was going to go with Palm Plan, but I didn't want to
get into a litigous name situation, and many sites stopped carrying apps
with Palm in the name over that very concern. I have an odd sense of
humour sometimes, and it popped into my head one day as "Shadow Plan", in
reference to your Shadow always being there.. you cannot easily get rid of
your shadow, and I liked the idea that you can't lose your data being
implied. So "Shadow Plan" came to be, with the famous website quote. Also,
there is "The Shadow knows!" in reference to the old The Shadow comic
character which many people remember.

	So "Shadow Plan" is a "keen name" in my opinion, and not related
to "dark". The website was a rich coal charcoal sort of colouration
because I'm sick of "all the same" looking websites and wanted to have a
little fun. Shadows are dark, so the website was dark. I'm not interesting
in making "more of the same".. you can quote me.. "if its worth doing,
its worth doing right, and with a little fun".

	skeleton.org is my personal domain. I've got a few, but
skeleton.org is the machine I post my email from, and thus is the one that
attracts spam the most (I get more spam than most, since I'm a more public
figure). As such, I send most of the spam to the grave.. spam -> skeleton
-> grave.. another piece of my sad sense of humour ;) Skeleton has nothign
to do with the Shadow software, and if I had half a brain I'd email
everything from codejedi.

	However, its historical. When Shadow first started up, I'd not
built a corporate presence for it (didn't want to invest too much unless
it was going to be a hit). So I was still posting from my personal domain
when I moved to codejedi.com. Really, all my email *should* come from
codejedi.com when its Shadow related, and skeleton.org when it is not (and
I have other domains).

	However, given the volume of email I receive, its too much work to
swap domains on replies. So I leave them all from one.

	The new codejedi website is still sharp and sleek, and still
dark. Why? Since I'm sick of all sites looking like ebay or yahoo or cnn
;)

	You don't want Shadow to be the same as the rest. You want it
different and better. Same with my corporate persona :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7349

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: Re: 2.5 install problems

 
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, cho88ss wrote:

> I've been using version 2.0 for some time now on a Palm M500 and a 
> Windows 98 system without problems. I just paid $9.99 for the desktop 
> addition and downloaded version 2.5, but when I tried to install by 
> double-clicking Shadow.exe I got the following error messages:
> 
> "A required .DLL file, EXPAT.DLL, was not found." and
> "Windows error 32 running "C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\Shadow.exe"."

	Did you runt he setup25.exe installer, or just run shadow.exe? You
must install, be it a manual install or a setup25.exe install. You cannot
"just run it form the .zip".

> I checked the Microsoft website for EXPAT.DLL information, and all I
> could find was a note that products containing EXPAT.DLL include
> Windows NT Services for Unix 2.0 and 3.0. Since I'm using Windows 98,
> I'm having trouble understanding what I can do to fix the install
> problem - if there truly is a critical .DLL file missing from my
> Windows directory, any advice as to how I get it off the web or the
> Win98 CD-ROM and install it in the right place?

	Its included in the distribution, in the By_Hand directory, and in
setup25.exe's auto install.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7350

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 0:38am
Subject: This Group Should Be Open!!!

 
Hey, did you guys notice that every time we have to login in to see 
the message here??? And why? I have been to many friendly yahoo 
discussion group including other palm software group, nearly all of 
them are open, that is, you can at least view the messages without 
Login-in which is in my opinion much more convenient and maybe in 
return can attract more other potential users come!

Of course, you can hide other things suchas Polls, Photos, 
Files.....but messages should be public, am I right????????

And to Jeff, that's personal thing, as I mentioned, you take all 
those "shadow, skeleton....dark style......" as sense of 
humor....well, humor r all different around the world,huh?? But we 
need be more open, public, do we?
7351

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 1:26am
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Open!!!

 
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> Hey, did you guys notice that every time we have to login in to see
> the message here??? And why? I have been to many friendly yahoo
> discussion group including other palm software group, nearly all of
> them are open, that is, you can at least view the messages without
> Login-in which is in my opinion much more convenient and maybe in
> return can attract more other potential users come!

	If messages can be read without signing in, it attracts more spam
to members since the spambots don't sign in. shadow-discuss is set to the
yahoogroups Open type. I don't see an option for letting peopel read
without signing in.

> Of course, you can hide other things suchas Polls, Photos,
> Files.....but messages should be public, am I right????????

	The options to show to anyone are only these:

	(See Management -> Web tools if you own a group)

Chat :  Members (chat with other members)  
Files / Photos :  Members (upload/modify/download files)  
Bookmarks :  Members (create/modify/delete bookmarks)  
Database :  Off (no one can access the Database feature)  
Polls :  Members (create/modify/vote in polls)  
Members :  Members (members view profiles; moderators can view
profiles/change settings)  
Calendar :  Off (no one can access the Calendar feature)  
Promote :  Off (no one can access the Promote feature)  

	"Messages" doesn't have an open option..

> And to Jeff, that's personal thing, as I mentioned, you take all those
> "shadow, skeleton....dark style......" as sense of humor....well,
> humor r all different around the world,huh?? But we need be more open,
> public, do we?

	One cannot fall into the trap of trying to make "everyone" happy..
if we did, there would be no humour, no art, no religion, no nothing
:) This is what we use the term "slippery slope" for, and I'll not fall
prey to it.

	If you find somethign specific you dislike about something let me
know, and your reasons. I've never had a compaint so far :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7352

From: Gunnar Malmquist  <gunnar.malmquist@e...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 7:08pm
Subject: Import Todos

 
When importing Todo's to Shadow, I would like to be able to display only
Todo's in a selected Todo category. Is that possible in the current
version, or if it is not, will it be in the future? I guess this has been
discussed many times before, but I am too lazy to go back to the
archives...

Gunnar
7353

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 0:04pm
Subject: Re: Import Todos

 
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Gunnar Malmquist wrote:

> When importing Todo's to Shadow, I would like to be able to display
> only Todo's in a selected Todo category. Is that possible in the
> current version, or if it is not, will it be in the future? I guess
> this has been discussed many times before, but I am too lazy to go
> back to the archives...

	You can import by category in Shadow 2.5.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7354

From: charlepp  <charlepp@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 6:01pm
Subject: Conduit crash

 
As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
crashed, and  disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
Hotsynching their Shadow data?
I know Jeff is planning on an upgrade on the conduit...and personally,
I can't wait, as the current one is driving me plain crazy!!
Chris
7355

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: RE: Conduit crash

 
I've had a few random problems too. Only one case of data loss, when the
conduit crashed DURING HotSync. Didn't take any other conduits with it
though.

I've learned to do everything on the handheld, and turned syncing
completely off. Backup Buddy protects my data. I just use the desktop
for viewing sometimes, but mainly just turn to the handheld which is
sitting in its cradle on my desk.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: charlepp [mailto:charlepp@c...] 
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:02 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Conduit crash

As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
crashed, and  disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
Hotsynching their Shadow data?
I know Jeff is planning on an upgrade on the conduit...and personally,
I can't wait, as the current one is driving me plain crazy!!
Chris



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7356

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 7:01pm
Subject: Re: Conduit crash

 
Nothing here even close to that serious.  Sounds like you might have something going on in addition to the Shadow conduit.  However, like others have done, you should just use the handheld for changes until the conduit update occurs, which i hear should be very soon!  Just be patient a bit longer and Jeff will give you a great update!  
Kevin

Kevin S. Giberson
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Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
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Fax:  (831) 722-4535
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------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: charlepp 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:01 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Conduit crash


  As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
  as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
  knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
  What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
  on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
  both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
  in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
  of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
  and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
  crashed, and  disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
  it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
  conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
  Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
  Hotsynching their Shadow data?
  I know Jeff is planning on an upgrade on the conduit...and personally,
  I can't wait, as the current one is driving me plain crazy!!
  Chris




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7357

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 8:17pm
Subject: Re: Conduit crash

 
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, charlepp wrote:

> As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
> as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
> knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!

	I get a lot of email, so I don't remember nuthin' ;)

> What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
> on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
> both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
> in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
> of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
> and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
> crashed, and  disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
> it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
> conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
> Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
> Hotsynching their Shadow data?

	Conduit issues vary by type; duplication is not a bug per se.. it
is by design, and darned annoying. Crashes and hangs are pretty
infrequent, and data corrupt is *darned* rare. But sometime sone person
gets picked up, due to some usage pattern that seems to cause the
issue. 90% of people have no problems at all, but you dont' hear from them
:)

	A new conduit is in alpha right now, and I expect to have it go
beta in a week or two. It is a very fine, if I do say so myself.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7358

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Conduit crash

 
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> I've had a few random problems too. Only one case of data loss, when
> the conduit crashed DURING HotSync. Didn't take any other conduits
> with it though.

	BTW, the conduit update is very slick with regards to
crashes; ie: IT shouldnt' wedge or crash, and if it does its a bug more
easily found and fixed. More importantly is during any sort of crash or
power failure or act of god, no damage is done.. just push sync again and
it'll pick up where it left off. IT also doesn't require the big Shadow
app to be in main memory anymore, and is much more configurable.

	So the wait for the new conduit has been worth it, fear not. It
supports drag and drop movement on both sides of the synch as well..

	Once the new conduit is out and about, i'll be free to work on the
desktop as the conduit will be a solid and useful platform for desktop
expansion and updates.

	Join shadow-desktop for betas of the conduit in a little while.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7359

From: jimfreda  <jimfreda@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 3:50am
Subject: openness on the site

 
Jeff, 
I have always liked the name of the program. It is unusual, and 
not as "corporate sleek" as all the rest (Lexus, Agendus [!], 
Enron, etc.). I actually didn't care for the dark color of the web site 
before only because it didn't seem to load well and the text 
contrast was sometimes poor. 
I really appreciate your constant support on this site. It makes the 
program more fun to use for me! I think the site is plenty open as 
it is--what more can you ask than for direct access to the 
programmer?
7360

From: jdub733  <jdub733@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I need to find out the balance between OSX and OS9- ..
> 
> 	Check the yahoogroup poll soon to pop out.
> 
> 		jeff

You don't know how good it is to 'hear' you say that. I'd just popped
over to the group to see if there were any developments on the Mac
desktop version....I gather you're now sharpening your...er, whatever
you sharpen to get these things done! :)

Good luck!

I've also seen and voted on the poll.

Cheers,

Jules.
7361

From: Gunnar Malmquist  <gunnar.malmquist@e...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 0:35pm
Subject: Re: Import Todos

 
Sorry, I was expressing myself a little too vaguely (because I didn't know
about the Import Todo function). I was referring to the "New from..."
function that allows you to add Todos to an existing Shadow list. I think
this is much more conventient than to import them to a new list and use
cut-and-paste. I am intending to use a special category in Todo as my Inbox
where I put "project related" activities during the day, and then use the
function "New from" for importing them at my "daily review".
Is that something we may see in the future?
Gunnar



________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Import Todos

On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Gunnar Malmquist wrote:

> When importing Todo's to Shadow, I would like to be able to display
> only Todo's in a selected Todo category. Is that possible in the
> current version, or if it is not, will it be in the future? I guess
> this has been discussed many times before, but I am too lazy to go
> back to the archives...

           You can import by category in Shadow 2.5.

                     jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



________________________________________________________________________
7362

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 3:18pm
Subject: Re: openness on the site

 
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, jimfreda wrote:

> I have always liked the name of the program. It is unusual, and 
> not as "corporate sleek" as all the rest (Lexus, Agendus [!], 
> Enron, etc.). I actually didn't care for the dark color of the web site 
> before only because it didn't seem to load well and the text 
> contrast was sometimes poor. 

	Thanks. If its poor or hard to read, let me know. I can tune the
colours. People tend to like it, and I like to be a little different..
give people a little fun. After all.. its not all about work, right? You
didnt' just buy a PDA because ti woudl be helpful, its also because its
fun to have and you enjoy using it, right?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7363

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 3:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!

 
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, jdub733 wrote:

> You don't know how good it is to 'hear' you say that. I'd just popped
> over to the group to see if there were any developments on the Mac
> desktop version....I gather you're now sharpening your...er, whatever
> you sharpen to get these things done! :)

	We're getting there. All the legally sort of stuff is bubbling
down, the conduit is getting very settled, the handheld is in excellent
standing.. its time to really focus on the desktops and getting the MAc
verison out is #1 or #2...

	I'm really leaning towards OSX only, or OSX only at least to start
with. Supporting and buildnig many things at once is very difficult, which
is why I've polished off the handheldf, then the conduit, and now focusing
desktop. I'd rather not work on both OS9 and OS at the same time,
especially when it nwo apepars I may be dealign with two just for OSX (due
to Jaguar being not fully compatible with 10.0 and 10.1.. thoguh I need to
find out more about this). (I'm running 10.1 right now, but I've got the
Jaguar expansion and dev kits, so I was about to upgrade.. we shall see).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 4:15pm
Subject: RE: Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!

 
I know this may piss off some of the OS 9 users, but I would take into
account that Apple has announced that it will abandon support for any
pre-OS X system as of January 2003, and new Macs will no longer ship
with both OS's. Apple is trying to force everyone to finally upgrade, so
that it can finally convince lagging developers to get on board with OS
X.

Just FYI.

Saludos,
Fred. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:21 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, jdub733 wrote:
> 
> > You don't know how good it is to 'hear' you say that. I'd 
> just popped 
> > over to the group to see if there were any developments on the Mac 
> > desktop version....I gather you're now sharpening 
> your...er, whatever 
> > you sharpen to get these things done! :)
> 
> 	We're getting there. All the legally sort of stuff is 
> bubbling down, the conduit is getting very settled, the 
> handheld is in excellent standing.. its time to really focus 
> on the desktops and getting the MAc verison out is #1 or #2...
> 
> 	I'm really leaning towards OSX only, or OSX only at 
> least to start with. Supporting and buildnig many things at 
> once is very difficult, which is why I've polished off the 
> handheldf, then the conduit, and now focusing desktop. I'd 
> rather not work on both OS9 and OS at the same time, 
> especially when it nwo apepars I may be dealign with two just 
> for OSX (due to Jaguar being not fully compatible with 10.0 
> and 10.1.. thoguh I need to find out more about this). (I'm 
> running 10.1 right now, but I've got the Jaguar expansion and 
> dev kits, so I was about to upgrade.. we shall see).
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... 
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!

 
I know this may piss off some of the OS 9 users, but I would take into
account that Apple has announced that it will abandon support for any
pre-OS X system as of January 2003, and new Macs will no longer ship
with both OS's. Apple is trying to force everyone to finally upgrade, so
that it can finally convince lagging developers to get on board with OS
X.

Just FYI.

Saludos,
Fred. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:21 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, jdub733 wrote:
> 
> > You don't know how good it is to 'hear' you say that. I'd 
> just popped 
> > over to the group to see if there were any developments on the Mac 
> > desktop version....I gather you're now sharpening 
> your...er, whatever 
> > you sharpen to get these things done! :)
> 
> 	We're getting there. All the legally sort of stuff is 
> bubbling down, the conduit is getting very settled, the 
> handheld is in excellent standing.. its time to really focus 
> on the desktops and getting the MAc verison out is #1 or #2...
> 
> 	I'm really leaning towards OSX only, or OSX only at 
> least to start with. Supporting and buildnig many things at 
> once is very difficult, which is why I've polished off the 
> handheldf, then the conduit, and now focusing desktop. I'd 
> rather not work on both OS9 and OS at the same time, 
> especially when it nwo apepars I may be dealign with two just 
> for OSX (due to Jaguar being not fully compatible with 10.0 
> and 10.1.. thoguh I need to find out more about this). (I'm 
> running 10.1 right now, but I've got the Jaguar expansion and 
> dev kits, so I was about to upgrade.. we shall see).
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... 
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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7366

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 4:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Import Todos

 
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Gunnar Malmquist wrote:

> Sorry, I was expressing myself a little too vaguely (because I didn't know
> about the Import Todo function). I was referring to the "New from..."
> function that allows you to add Todos to an existing Shadow list. I think
> this is much more conventient than to import them to a new list and use
> cut-and-paste. I am intending to use a special category in Todo as my Inbox

	You can also use Import Marked Todos, where you just put
[[[listname]]] at the front of a todo text (needn't be whole listname,
just the first few unique characters). Then Shadow can suck them in and
put them in the right list for you, en masse. Much easier to do this as a
batch, then do New From one by one, regardless of how easy we make New
From :)

> where I put "project related" activities during the day, and then use
> the function "New from" for importing them at my "daily review". Is
> that something we may see in the future? Gunnar

	New From definitely needs work, but it'll be awhile yet.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7367

From: jimfreda  <jimfreda@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 3:43am
Subject: pdas are fun

 
Well, you are right about the enthusiasm that drives many pda 
users, and certainly me. A program like Shadowplan is not as 
"fun" as others, of course, and is really pretty serious. But it is 
very fun to track updates, to learn to use it, to download new 
versions, and to pull out my new color clie. It is "fun" in a certain 
sense to have such a great tool to help me with lists, and lots of 
us enjoy making lists and checking off things done. I once heard 
this great episode of "This American Life" (I think) about people 
who are into lists, and about even publishing them for the sake 
of idiosyncracy and preserving ephemera--in some magazine 
devoted to lists people make, I recall.
But honestly, the capabilities of the program have gone over my 
head. I still need to figure out and start using tags, for example. 
--next time I have a good vacation... Its something to put on my to 
do list. ; )
7368

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 8:42am
Subject: Exporting individual items

 
I'm fairly sure this is not possible but, before I try more complicated 
workarounds, I thought I ought to check: is it possible to export 
individual items (with their note, if any) to MemoPad?

I know that, in the Transfer menu in the list of files, it is possible to 
export an entire list; what I am hoping to be able to do is to export part 
only of a list (either just an individual bottom level item + its note at a 
time or, better still, an item + its children and the item's and children's 
notes as well), rather than the entire list

Am I looking for the impossible?

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)
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From: Anthony Milonas  <tonyelit@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 1:26pm
Subject: To DO Category in Filters

 
Hi Jeff, once again.
1) I am trying to use Shadow as my single point of reference . The way i use
it is,to link to the ToDo Database, assign a category for context and a tag
for role
It would be really helpful if ToDoCategory can be included in filters
(either as a text field or a drop down list selectable from the categories
of ToDo database) in the way  Tag Association is used.Can it be done ? (
with a minimal effort )

Thanks
7370

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 0:04pm
Subject: Re: Exporting individual items

 
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> I'm fairly sure this is not possible but, before I try more complicated 
> workarounds, I thought I ought to check: is it possible to export 
> individual items (with their note, if any) to MemoPad?
> 
> I know that, in the Transfer menu in the list of files, it is possible to 
> export an entire list; what I am hoping to be able to do is to export part 
> only of a list (either just an individual bottom level item + its note at a 
> time or, better still, an item + its children and the item's and children's 
> notes as well), rather than the entire list
> 
> Am I looking for the impossible?

	Hmm. You could do something to pull it off, but I see where you're
going..

	ie: It would be coolperhaps to have a  "Export clipboard" option,
so that you could clip a few items and send them to memo that way.

	For now, you can clip a few items, then use "send to..." to ship
them off to a file. Then export that file. You could keep an empty file
around for this purpose.. just there to ship things to for export.

	Not elegent, but ought to work well :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7371

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 0:08pm
Subject: Re: To DO Category in Filters

 
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Anthony Milonas wrote:

> 1) I am trying to use Shadow as my single point of reference . The way i use
> it is,to link to the ToDo Database, assign a category for context and a tag
> for role
> It would be really helpful if ToDoCategory can be included in filters
> (either as a text field or a drop down list selectable from the categories
> of ToDo database) in the way  Tag Association is used.Can it be done ? (
> with a minimal effort )

	Its a very high load operation; the ToDo category is kept in ToDo,
and not Shadow. ToDo items would be "unordered" with respect to Shadow, so
for each record to be compared for a filter, Shadow woudl have to:

	Given the item in Shadow
	1) Look up its unique ID in ToDo (fast)
	2) Do a linear search (essentially) through ToDo looking for
this ID
	3) Fetch the category for this item
	4) Fetch the category listing from ToDo, to ensure validity and
compare against Shadows reference (make sure its looking at the same
thing)

	The search through ToDo to find the todo item woudl be very
slow. ie: Not that slow for a single item, but say you've got 500 or 1000
todos, imaginge going through it 100 times because you're filtering a 100
item list. Suddenly, its effectively (say) 500 * 100 todo items long
(though with a better average lookup than worst case, so say even 250*100
= 25000 effective searched todos..)

	Brutal.

	There are tricks one can do, but its something I'd have to think
about and play around with and experiment a lot, to try and do well. 

	I have thoguht about it a little, and woudl like to include such
an option someday. Its just the problem is the data is in a foreign
database..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7372

From: Andy Bryant  <ajbwap@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: Re: Archiving checked items

 
Thanks.  That does the ticket.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Andy Bryant wrote:
> 
> > Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to 
> > another?
> 
> 	Do you mean Archive or Copy?
> 
> 	If you mean archive as in delete-and-archive, then you can 
just do
> a "delete all checked" and when asked, hit "Archive", and 
everything will
> get sent to the _Archive_ file. 
> 
> 	If you mean Copy, then just use the clip. Copy all Checked, 
and
> Send to .. to ship the clipboard off to another list, and then hit 
Clear
> Clip.
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From: igglet_  <abhudgens@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

 
Hi, Jeff,

Is this the latest on this issue?  I just encountered it, too.  Delay 
time is up to approx 3 seconds for each action, and without having 
kept *exact* count, the onset of the delay issue probably coincides 
fairly well with my breaking the 40 file barrier (I've input quite a 
few files--probably 30-40--just in the last 24 hours).  

My specs:
* Visor Platinum, 33Mhz 
* Free memory 25% of 8 MB (approx 2 MB)
* No hacks, etc, and very few non-Palm-native apps (Bible, Reader, 
Pocket Chess, a few others)
* From basic Palm Info, 
   ** Total number of records is HUGE (several thousand), 
as I have both the Bible and Pocket Chess with it's entire library.  
      *** If you don't count the records from Bible and Pocket Chess, 
my total number of records (including Shadow) is approx 1500. 
   ** Shadow has 497 records (approx 81 files).  
 
TIA,
--Bryan

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2002, egroy wrote:
> 
> > According to Filez, I have only 203 files, including ROM. I have 
4.5mb
> > out of 8 mb still free. I run at 28MHz, 37MHz for Shadow, at 250% 
over
> > Palm IIIe (Benchmark 2). Shadow was the only application giving me
> > this problem (at 45 files), and the problem seems to have gone 
away
> > once I blew away 12 files.
> 
> 	Hmm. Perhaps you're onto something. I'll check.. since Shadow 
is
> sorting the files (into alphabetical listing), perhaps the sorting 
is
> taking too long (rather, the sorted inserts). Theres tricks ne can 
do to
> improve insertion speed, so I'll note it down to look into.
> 
> 	Freeing up 12 files.. did it suddenly get faster? Is there a
> threshhold of slowness in the OS, I wonder? :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7374

From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 9:48pm
Subject: Encrypt Text in Shadow

 
Has anyone else used ReadThis! with Shadow? I have just started playing
with it and seems to work. I wanted something that would keep at least some
of my stuff encrypted.

HYPERLINK
"http://www.schachar-levin.net/Software/ReadThis"http://www.schachar-levin.n
et/Software/ReadThis

Or any suggestions for anything else??

Gary

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From: mmmmba  <ianf@f...>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:07am
Subject: Search dialog highlight text request

 
Hi,

Would it be possible to have any existing text
in the search popup dialog highlighted by default?
(To save taps when you want to enter a new string...
I often find myself having to stop input when I realise
I'm adding on to the end of a previous word)

Also: I'd really like to have a pop-up list there 
 that remembers previous searches (of course, on
 a list-specific basis ^_^)

BTW, I went back to Shadow recently after a while with
other apps, and I really like the extras in 2.5.

Thanks,

	- Ian.
7376

From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@b...>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:38am
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Open!!!

 
Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> I don't see an option for letting peopel read
> without signing in.

Look here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/settings?mode=15

You can set who can read the archives, and who can post.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-10
7377

From: tarasofsky  <Tarasofsky@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:39am
Subject: Re: filters on collapsed lists

 
Hi, 

I wanted to have another try at convincing you about this.

I have one mega list, which contains all my tasks.  Today, I had this 
in collapsed mode to begin with, and then expanded one branch to 
check some things out.  I got distracted, came back after a couple of 
minutes, and triggered a filter that applies throughout the list.  
What I saw was an expanded list, since I had expanded that one 
branch.  However, I had forgotten that I had only expanded that one 
branch, and so when I got a filtered version, I misstakenly thought 
that I was seeing a filtered version of the entire list.  A 
potentially fatal error (on my part).  Having the list automatically 
expand when a filter is applied would save absent minded people like 
me from ourselves.

I take your point about magic, but I think that there would be more 
happy people than annoyed ones.

Ciao,

Richard



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, tarasofsky wrote:
> 
> > ... but you still can't see
> > > it until you expand the parent.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, that is how it works.  But I wonder what the point of having 
it
> > remain hidden until the parent is expanded.  Why not save the
> > inevitable next step and have the filter also expand the lists as
> > appropriate for the conditions of the filter?  Or am I the only 
one
> > who would welcome that?
> 
> 	We call that "magic"; magic in software is generalyl bad. A 
fork
> is just a fork.. it doesn't jam the food in your mouth. Think how
> annoyingh that would be, even though thats what you always do with 
it
> next. The trick is that.. the food going into your mouth happens at 
your
> leisure, not the leisure of the fork. A rough example, but hey, I'm
> running without caffeine right now ;)
> 
> 	You've chosen to collapse the item. You may have good reasons 
for
> that. Applying a filter is to limit what is visible.. but it does 
not
> effect the collapse state. You've set it, you can change it. If 
filter got
> into that, we're suddenyl having filter doing "magic", would start 
to
> confuse people, and annoy peopel who do not wish that to happen.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7378

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:52am
Subject: Re: Exporting individual items

 
Cool! Much better than my "cut and paste" workarounds! Thanks!!

At 07:39 10/10/2002 +0000, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>you can clip a few items, then use "send to..." to ship
>them off to a file. Then export that file. You could keep an empty file
>around for this purpose.. just there to ship things to for export

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)
7379

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: This Group Should Be Open!!!

 
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, bblackmoor wrote:

> > I don't see an option for letting peopel read
> > without signing in.
> 
> Look here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/settings?mode=15
> 
> You can set who can read the archives, and who can post.

	Good call. I could have sworn I'd gone over that yahoo
option. Thanks for the tip,

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7380

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Search dialog highlight text request

 
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, mmmmba wrote:

> Would it be possible to have any existing text in the search popup
> dialog highlighted by default? (To save taps when you want to enter a
> new string... I often find myself having to stop input when I realise
> I'm adding on to the end of a previous word)

	I'll add it to "the list" :)

> Also: I'd really like to have a pop-up list there
>  that remembers previous searches (of course, on
>  a list-specific basis ^_^)

	Won't be for awhile thats for sure ;) I'm focused on the desktop
and conduit for awhile.

> BTW, I went back to Shadow recently after a while with other apps, and
> I really like the extras in 2.5.

	I quite ilke 2.5. A minor update coming soon likely (2.5.6 is in
beta if you look in the archives). Minor upadtes, but handy.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7381

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 0:39am
Subject: China Bank Credit Card

 
Jeff, I have one and only USD credit card, China Bank issued 
MasterCard, I use it once to get my yahoo emailbox, seems to work 
well. 

So, if I pay you by this way, it will be no problem, right? I mean, I 
can pay the bill and there is guarantee of no leak, rite?
7382

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 0:52am
Subject: My Thought Share with ALL

 
Just share my idea about outliner like Shadow:

I always want to PLAN my life or some projects with start date, end 
date and resources etc stuff. Or just group some knowledge together, 
list in tree view. Most time I spend on my desktop, but also I need 
to review and edit on my palm also.

1. First I came to Microsoft Project: too complex, hard and kinda 
chunky for me, expensive also, both desktop and on palm.

2. Brainforest: cool. basically meet my demand, support Chinese. But 
no simple sync way. no "worksheet" view like shadow, lack of features 
comparing to shadow.

I can't believe I could live without this kind of "outliner", simple 
also powerful, both on desktop and my palm. I can plan my life, 
schedule short-term or long-term event, working project and group 
knowledge...
7383

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:12am
Subject: Re: China Bank Credit Card

 
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> Jeff, I have one and only USD credit card, China Bank issued 
> MasterCard, I use it once to get my yahoo emailbox, seems to work 
> well. 
> 
> So, if I pay you by this way, it will be no problem, right? I mean, I 
> can pay the bill and there is guarantee of no leak, rite?

	leak?

	Here is how things work..

	If you buy from a portal (like PalmGear, Handango) or even my
webstore (hosted by esellerate), then you go through the order process and
receive a registration code via email. During the registration process,
you provide your payment method.. to the portal. I never receive that
information and it never goes through the email. They pay me.

	This way I never get your credit card info, nor does it go through
any insecure transport to me. So the only info I get is your name, phone
number, etc. I never ever give that out, and it doesnt' sit in any
database.. I just store your email addy, ghotsync ID, registration code,
and some basic other stuff, for proof of purchase later.

	So its pretty secure. The only guys who see your info is the
portals. You can check their sites for privacy info.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7384

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:16am
Subject: Re: China Bank Credit Card

 
thanks! that's the way I want.....
btw, u finally "open" this group.....lol


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:
> 
> > Jeff, I have one and only USD credit card, China Bank issued 
> > MasterCard, I use it once to get my yahoo emailbox, seems to work 
> > well. 
> > 
> > So, if I pay you by this way, it will be no problem, right? I 
mean, I 
> > can pay the bill and there is guarantee of no leak, rite?
> 
> 	leak?
> 
> 	Here is how things work..
> 
> 	If you buy from a portal (like PalmGear, Handango) or even 
my
> webstore (hosted by esellerate), then you go through the order 
process and
> receive a registration code via email. During the registration 
process,
> you provide your payment method.. to the portal. I never receive 
that
> information and it never goes through the email. They pay me.
> 
> 	This way I never get your credit card info, nor does it go 
through
> any insecure transport to me. So the only info I get is your name, 
phone
> number, etc. I never ever give that out, and it doesnt' sit in any
> database.. I just store your email addy, ghotsync ID, registration 
code,
> and some basic other stuff, for proof of purchase later.
> 
> 	So its pretty secure. The only guys who see your info is the
> portals. You can check their sites for privacy info.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7385

From: bblackmoor  <bblackmoor@b...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:21am
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Open!!!

 
Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>> You can set who can read the archives, and who can post.
> 
> Good call. I could have sworn I'd gone over that yahoo
> option. Thanks for the tip,

No problem. I should probably mention that I didn't mean that you
*should* change the permissions on the YahooGroups site, just that you
could if you wanted to.

bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-10
7386

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:26am
Subject: Re: My Suggestions

 
> > 2. I hope desktop shadow could be dispayed like palm version, the 
same
> > outlook, same functions, just more convenient.
> 
> 	A thing to remember is that the desktop is not the 
handheld; a
> handheld is for mobility. The desktop is for more power. So it will 
be
> different and complimentary. To support the many types of users and 
the
> many types of lists, I expect to offer many views.. the current two-
panel
> view is one, and I'll likely add a spreadsheet like view, and maybe 
a
> combined view like on the handheld.. depends on your needs and 
usage :)

.
.
.
Yes, like spreadsheet view, desperatedly need that combined view like 
on the handheld, and since desktop screen is much wider, I wish you 
can put many column in the same window (NOT SURE if i explain myself 
well), we have our tree list and priority stuff on the left side, 
rite? and then put "start date" "end date" "count down days" "note" 
on the right side, thus I don't even have to click each item to check 
the details (of course, for long notes, maybe I have to), see? looks 
like an EXCEL worksheet. (btw, I don't understand why microsoft 
doesn't add this tree list outline view in EXCEL? I think lots of ppl 
need this kind of view function and Microsoft Project is too big and 
complex!)


expecting ur new desktop~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(btw, once buy ur shadow, it is LIFETIME upgrade,right? no more 
charges,rite?
7387

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:27am
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Open!!!

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "bblackmoor" <bblackmoor@b...> wrote:
> Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> >> You can set who can read the archives, and who can post.
> > 
> > Good call. I could have sworn I'd gone over that yahoo
> > option. Thanks for the tip,
> 
> No problem. I should probably mention that I didn't mean that you
> *should* change the permissions on the YahooGroups site, just that 
you
> could if you wanted to.
> 
> bblackmoor@b...
> 2002-10-10



yeah, maybe we can put a new poll here to set down these 
things.....:))
7388

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:54am
Subject: Beta new conduit

 
See shadow-desktop mailing list off my site. Just announced.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7389

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 2:36am
Subject: Re: Re: China Bank Credit Card

 
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> thanks! that's the way I want.....
> btw, u finally "open" this group.....lol

	I thought it was already :) You can't win 'em all :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7390

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 2:38am
Subject: Re: Re: My Suggestions

 
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> (btw, once buy ur shadow, it is LIFETIME upgrade,right? no more
> charges,rite?

	Correct. Its stupid of me, but I like to be good to people :)

	Buying Shadow Handheld gets you lifetime updates to it; buying
Shadow Desktop gets you lifetime updates to it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7391

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 10:41am
Subject: can shadow link to address?

 
I know it can link to todo, datebook and even file....but what about 
address?

and I hope once the item was linked to an address, the address name 
(like "Tiger Wood") will display as this item name, thus I can group 
some ppl in a tree and dont' have to click each one to find the 
linked address name....
7392

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 0:50pm
Subject: Re: can shadow link to address?

 
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:

> I know it can link to todo, datebook and even file....but what about 
> address?

	Yep. See the Link Manager. Shadow file to file, todo, datebook,
address and memos.

> and I hope once the item was linked to an address, the address name
> (like "Tiger Wood") will display as this item name, thus I can group
> some ppl in a tree and dont' have to click each one to find the linked
> address name....

	You can tap on the link arrow and hit "expand links" and it'll
list linked address and memos below the item. You can filter by address,
too, using custom filters.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7393

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: can shadow link to address?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:
> 
> > I know it can link to todo, datebook and even file....but what 
about 
> > address?
> 
> 	Yep. See the Link Manager. Shadow file to file, todo, 
datebook,
> address and memos.
> 
> > and I hope once the item was linked to an address, the address 
name
> > (like "Tiger Wood") will display as this item name, thus I can 
group
> > some ppl in a tree and dont' have to click each one to find the 
linked
> > address name....
> 
> 	You can tap on the link arrow and hit "expand links" and 
it'll
> list linked address and memos below the item. You can filter by 
address,
> too, using custom filters.
> 
> 		jeff


.
.
.
cooooooooooooooool, very close to my demand, except that, I wish each 
link can be really independent, like I can attach note on each link, 
like other item, even can set Date like other item...am I too greedy?!

thanks, dude!
7394

From: Stuart Gibbons  <stuart.gibbons@p...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:29pm
Subject: Anyone help me with a filter?

 
I'm struggling to define the filter I need and aren't sure whether I 
just can't get my head round it or its beyond the filter manager's 
capabilities.

I'm using Shadow to list my multi-step ToDos - with the project name 
at level 1, and the tasks at lower levels.  I give each top level 
item a tag to show its status (active, on hold, pending, cancelled).  
Tasks have no tags.

Project Name 1 (tag=Active)
  -- Task A (checked)
  -- Task B (unchecked)
Project Name 2 (tag=On Hold)
  -- Task A (unchecked)

I'd like to define a filter to show the uncompleted tasks of Active 
projects only, so I only get:

Project Name 1 (tag=Active)
  -- Task B (unchecked)

Thought I had it with: checked=false AND (tag=Active OR level>=2) but 
this still shows uncompleted tasks of other projects (i.e. task A of 
project 2).

I'm hoping this can be done with some extended logic, but I suspect I 
need a child-parent relationship in the filter manager to make it 
work (i.e. checked=false AND level>=2 AND parent-item tag=Active), or 
to turn the concept of groups inside out to get (level=1 AND 
tag=Active AND checked=false) OR (level>2 AND checked=false)

Anyone help me out with this one?

Stuart
7395

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:55pm
Subject: Re: Anyone help me with a filter?

 
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Stuart Gibbons wrote:

> I'm struggling to define the filter I need and aren't sure whether I 
> just can't get my head round it or its beyond the filter manager's 
> capabilities.
> 
> I'm using Shadow to list my multi-step ToDos - with the project name 
> at level 1, and the tasks at lower levels.  I give each top level 
> item a tag to show its status (active, on hold, pending, cancelled).  
> Tasks have no tags.
> 
> Project Name 1 (tag=Active)
>   -- Task A (checked)
>   -- Task B (unchecked)
> Project Name 2 (tag=On Hold)
>   -- Task A (unchecked)
> 
> I'd like to define a filter to show the uncompleted tasks of Active 
> projects only, so I only get:

	Pretty tough at this point, but a interesting idea comes to mind..

	Filters aer evaluated on a per item basis. But I could add a rule
that is "parent-tag", so you coudl say "parent-tag matches Active" which
woudl be like what you want.

	I think this woudl solve many peoples problems. Instead of
inheriting tags to childrne, just look up parent tags.

	Could be slow to process..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7396

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:02pm
Subject: RE: Anyone help me with a filter?

 
That's a good idea. I'm still lobbying for a way for children to inherit
their parent's to do category, so I can have automatic linking without
having to have so many separate lists. When is that desktop going to be
done so you can get back to the handheld??  :)

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

	Pretty tough at this point, but a interesting idea comes to
mind..

	Filters aer evaluated on a per item basis. But I could add a
rule
that is "parent-tag", so you coudl say "parent-tag matches Active" which
woudl be like what you want.

	I think this woudl solve many peoples problems. Instead of
inheriting tags to childrne, just look up parent tags.

	Could be slow to process..

		jeff
7397

From: tsuchy  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:31pm
Subject: A few ideas?

 
Hi,

I've got a few ideas that might make shadow rock even more, what do
you think?

- A grafitti shortcut to "List Options" ?

- Grafitti Shortcuts for Zoom and UnZoom ?

- I noticed that when you 'Cut' one or more items to empty out the
file,  leave the file, and then come back, the last cutting session is
undone and all those entries are still there. Not that this is a
really big problem, since i usually delete the db after doing
something like this, but it frightens and confuses me.

- Item->Demote All Children ? or perhaps, 'Cut All Children' or 'Copy
All Children? ?

I know you're busy with the desktop versions, but i wanted to put
these up for consideration before i forgot.


- tom!
7398

From: tsuchy  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:34pm
Subject: Re: A few ideas?

 
I also forgot to add that i think Shadow rules, and it's finally taken
its place as a centerpiece of my GTD implementation (alongside DateBk5).

Rock on!

-tom!
7399

From: ooookid  <ooookid@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 0:21am
Subject: Shadow Desktop Picture

 
Hi, dude, I upload one pic in the Photos Ablum (desktop view.pic), 
check it out please....cause my shabby English, I just draw a desktop 
which I think is close to the one I want...just a "skeleton", as I 
can not put "DONE" that small square or the collapse/expand arrow or 
other stuff in this pic....

Just like combine several view together simply bcoz we have a bigger 
and wider desktop screen! :)  no need further click, every item very 
clear with one glimpse.....if edit, just click each item, auto sort, 
auto calculate........blah blah


let's rolllllllllllll
7400

From: Timothy Woerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 1:41pm
Subject: Re: A few ideas?

 
LOL.  I signed on specifically to post (add vote to) two suggestions 
(which I believe I'm seen suggested before).  Great minds must think 
alike.

1.  Grafitti shortcut or icon for Zoom/Unzoom
2.  Option to limit indents to 1 or 2 (selectable) levels.

Tim

> 
> - Grafitti Shortcuts for Zoom and UnZoom ?
>
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