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| 7301 |
From: Julian Melville <julian@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 11:18am
Subject: RE: Desktop Improvements
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> There doesn't seem to be much discussion on the Shadow-desktop site.
> There were only two posts for all of September. I hope this isn't
> indicative of a lack of interest by users in desktop functionality. I
Nononono... e.g. I'm actively using the desktop as it stands, I'm just not
bothering to discuss anything (I mean, there's not much to discuss yet...)
until some of the new stuff comes out. Shadow will become even more useful
to me when that happens.
Julian.
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| 7302 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 0:52pm
Subject: Any news on PG?
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Anyone heard any rumours or news?
More weird stuff from PalmGear..
Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe me any
money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies. (Well how about
all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
This is bizarre..
1) Did they loose their database?!
2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company. Every day
is a new challenge :/
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7303 |
From: Frederick G. Turner <fred@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: RE: Any news on PG?
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It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).
I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
:)
Saludos,
Fred.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>
>
>
> Anyone heard any rumours or news?
>
> More weird stuff from PalmGear..
>
> Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe
> me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies.
> (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
>
> This is bizarre..
>
> 1) Did they loose their database?!
> 2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
> 3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
>
> Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company.
> Every day is a new challenge :/
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games....
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7304 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 2:06pm
Subject: RE: Any news on PG?
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This could also be a "speak now or forever keep your peace" kind of thing.
For those developers that didn't keep good records, or can't be bothered to
respond, PalmGear can then ignore that obligation. Whatever.
Scott
"Frederick G.
Turner" To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
<fred@s... cc:
tures.com> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
10/02/2002 08:50 AM
Please respond to
shadow-discuss
It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).
I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
:)
Saludos,
Fred.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>
>
>
> Anyone heard any rumours or news?
>
> More weird stuff from PalmGear..
>
> Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe
> me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies.
> (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
>
> This is bizarre..
>
> 1) Did they loose their database?!
> 2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
> 3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
>
> Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company.
> Every day is a new challenge :/
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games....
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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| 7305 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 2:18pm
Subject: RE: Any news on PG?
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Frederick G. Turner wrote:
> It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
> companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made
> a lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).
Yeah. I drew the line at 5 or 6 months without pay from them.
Others drew the line earlier, while still many have gone what, 8 months
without seeing a cheque from them. I know a lot of little companies who PG
put out of business, and I wasn't going to stand for that myself..
Thankfully, Codejedi store is up and doing well, taking the main
body of my orders now :) (whew! Stop depending on other folks when they
get.. reckless)
> I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
> suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
> something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or
> her hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance
> guy. :)
I've never seen such a thing. A company asking how much that they
owe me? Thats an open letter for disaster, especially for a company whose
not been paying people. "I think I'll add 20% interest to how much you owe
me..." that sort of thing :)
At least I'm okay by them. We fought it out and they gave me a
chunk of how mcuh they owe me, to shut me up. ITs not the best deal (I
lost a lot of money on them), but at least I got enough to pay the bills,
unlike a lot of others :(
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7306 |
From: Robert Skillings <Bob.Skillings@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 3:03pm
Subject: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Griff" <keith@t...> wrote:
> I'm glad I'm not the only one...recently I've found my $600
> investment being used for little more than a time clock, alarm
clock,
> and video player.
>
> Have you made any of those hard choices?
>
Absolutely.
I can't help you with using Shadow & DB5, but I went through the same
frustration you mentioned and finally had to decide which application
was to be the 'master' (i.e. main source of all information) and
which one's were going to be recipients of that information.
After months of using each app for a specific function (few of which
talked to one another), I finally took an hour or so to map out how
my typical day goes and decided how my handheld was going to make
things easier for me.
FWIW, I decided on the following;
Shadow HH
- used to store project related dates, milestones, basic notes, etc.
- as tasks come due, they are pushed out to the Palm To Do app
Palm To Do app
- used only for active tasks.
- notes page is used only for basic outlines, drafts, keeping track
of what I'm doing or need to do for this task.
- Palm To Do app interfaces with MS Outlook at work so I can
seamlessly transfer data from HH to desktop and stay productive
regardless of location and keep only 1 task list.
- as tasks are finished, I cut/paste finished docs that I need to
keep from notes into the Palm MemoPad app.
Palm MemoPad app
- used mainly to store finished procedures, work docs, kids soccer
playing rotation, etc that I need to reference frequently.
- as needed, I use Megawiki to link specific docs to projects stored
back in Shadow.
- I also use Megawiki to link to the DayNotez app for keeping minutes
in meetings.
DayNotez app
- used exclusively for keeping notes in work meetings, temporarily
record tasks assigned to me or my team during meetings, etc.
- at the end of the meeting, new tasks are pushed out to the Palm To
Do app using Megawiki.
- DayNotez app also interfaces with MS Outlook at work so I can clean
up my notes, cut / paste them into an email and assign tasks to my
team without having to rekey them.
Once I had the above defined, I took a post-it note, sketched out the
basic 'flow' of information and put it inside the case to my HH.
After a few short days, I noticed I wasn't fumbling for information
like I had previously done and found my investment was paying off
again and not just an expensive alarm clock for meetings.
Couple of points to consider;
- ShadowLink can probably be used in many of the places I referenced
Megawiki, I set up my workflow before it came out and haven't had a
chance to evaluate how I can make it work for me.
- Palm Memo Pad app has an upper limit on notes (2K ?) and I'm
considering switching over to PEdit to get around this limitation,
but I haven't researched it yet either.
My solution probably won't be the answer to your problem, as Jeff
says repeatedly "Your mileage may vary", but I encourage you to
sketch out your workflow. Sounds pretty basic, but it helped me
tremendously.
Hope you find something useful in this too-long post.
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| 7307 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:25pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
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or else another way to save money...if you say they owe you less than they had in their numbers, they agree to your lower number and save money. my guess is a hope that many didn't keep good records and they will play ignorant as to what they truly know. my opinion.
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick G. Turner
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:50 AM
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).
I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
:)
Saludos,
Fred.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>
>
>
> Anyone heard any rumours or news?
>
> More weird stuff from PalmGear..
>
> Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe
> me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies.
> (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
>
> This is bizarre..
>
> 1) Did they loose their database?!
> 2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
> 3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
>
> Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company.
> Every day is a new challenge :/
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games....
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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| 7308 |
From: Tom Anderson <tom@e...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 3:34pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
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I would think it's more likely their records are not in the best order, and they want to find out exactly where they stand as a preliminary to digging out from under. Of course, I tend to assume people are honest but can make bad mistakes.
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On 10/2/2002 at 8:25 AM Kevin Giberson wrote:
>or else another way to save money...if you say they owe you less than
>they had in their numbers, they agree to your lower number and save money.
> my guess is a hope that many didn't keep good records and they will play
>ignorant as to what they truly know. my opinion.
>kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frederick G. Turner
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
>
>
> It's possible that they are "less aware" of what they owe other
> companies than they may be of what they owe CodeJedi (because you made a
> lot more noise than most, I would imagine... ;) ).
>
> I would imagine that they sent this out as a form letter to all their
> suppliers requesting confirmation of amounts owed. It sounds like
> something that a new finance guy at PalmGear would do to get his or her
> hands around the situation... that's just my opinion as a finance guy.
> :)
>
> Saludos,
> Fred.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:52 AM
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone heard any rumours or news?
> >
> > More weird stuff from PalmGear..
> >
> > Today I got a letter in the post asking me if they owe
> > me any money, and to provide a list of sales for owed monies.
> > (Well how about all that money you sto^H^H^Hkept from everyone??)
> >
> > This is bizarre..
> >
> > 1) Did they loose their database?!
> > 2) Is someone else trying a scam here?
> > 3) OR is someone ripping them off (call the kettle black :P)
> >
> > Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned company.
> > Every day is a new challenge :/
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> > own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> > Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games....
> > Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
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| 7309 |
From: Laurie Leonard <lleonard@m...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:02pm
Subject: Fatal error
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Normally Shadow works fine for me but today suddenly when I was switching
from Shadow to Datebook3 I got a fatal error and had to do a soft reset. I
haven't installed anything new or done anything unusual that would have
caused this. Now I keep getting a message that says "Broken Links" giving
me the option of severing all broken links. I do that, clicking on "Sever
All Broken Links" but the message reappears every time I switch from another
application back to Shadow. What can I do?
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| 7310 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Fatal error
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Laurie Leonard wrote:
> Normally Shadow works fine for me but today suddenly when I was
> switching from Shadow to Datebook3 I got a fatal error and had to do a
> soft reset. I haven't installed anything new or done anything unusual
> that would have caused this. Now I keep getting a message that says
> "Broken Links" giving me the option of severing all broken links. I
> do that, clicking on "Sever All Broken Links" but the message
> reappears every time I switch from another application back to Shadow.
> What can I do?
We need to figure out what that crash was about, I think. IDeally,
anyway.
When you get the big "Sever Links" warning, its because that list
has one or more links to outside objects which don't exist (like a ToDo or
Datebook item that you linked out, then deleted in another app). If you
hit "Seevral all", but dont' actually change anything in the list, the
Sever doesn't actually take place. (ie: So that if you made a mistake, you
can back out real fast, and not lose your links, in case you wanted the
broken ones for something). If you do the Sever, then change *something*
in the list, the sever will take, and you wont' get pestered anymore.
How were you switching from Shadow to DB3?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7311 |
From: Earthlink <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
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with the actions of these guys...way past assuming they are honest and ethical. likely a way to get out of paying again.
kevin
------------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Anderson
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
I would think it's more likely their records are not in the best order, and they want to find out exactly where they stand as a preliminary to digging out from under. Of course, I tend to assume people are honest but can make bad mistakes.
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| 7312 |
From: Anthony Schellenberg <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 5:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again
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>From: "Griff" <keith@t...>
>I'm glad I'm not the only one...recently I've found my $600
>investment being used for little more than a time clock, alarm clock,
>and video player.
>
>Have you made any of those hard choices?
>
>I am leaning towards going to Shadow only...I really don't have to
>see my appointments together...and I should be able to build all of
>the same view functionality DB5 has with Shadow's tags and views.
>Have to admit though that the cosmetic difference will be tough.
Yeah, I imagine a world where Shadow has icons, and a better way of
handling/displaying linked appointments. Like using the same auto import
tags when adding to the datebook ([[[list]]]), and prepending the time to
the description within shadow: [10:00 - 12:00]. Hey, this could even be put
into the first line of the note to conserve space. Could be a one time only
thing that would happen on creation of a datebook link, or import. If user
changes the time in datebook, the user is responsible to update this info so
no additional overhead.
I really haven't made my hard choices yet. I was moving into using Datebk5
more, but now I've got a T615, and love the tiny fonts in shadow. Problem
is, I really don't have very detailed projects, yet love playing with
complicated preferences/setups.
...sigh...
I'll go back to my eternal app switching now ;)
>--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Anthony Schellenberg" wrote:
> >
> > I too struggle with which program should be the master. I find
>right now
> > I'm spending far too much time doing setup in both programs.
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| 7313 |
From: Bert Latamore <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 6:10pm
Subject: feature request
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Jeff,
Would it be possible in the next version of ShadowPlan to provide a choice of different bullets to denote specific outlining levels as well as the number and letter choices you now provide? I use the number/letter system for formal outlines, but they are not desirable for other tasks. For instance, I keep my daily diary, in which I record what I do and when I do it, in Shadow as a multi-level informal outline. Each month is a document, under which each date is the first level, then each time and activity is a second level and specific notes are at lower levels. For instance, what I am doing right now is recorded as:
10/02/02, Wednesday
13:34 Lunch
Read Yahoo email
My problem is sthat it is very easy for me to become confused as to what level I am working on. The result is that for instance I occasionally accidently put in a group of times at the first rather than second level, so that they are now not attached to a date. When I try to correct that later it is difficult to get them in the proper order under the appropriate date.
What I would like to do is assign a different bullet choice to each level so that I can instantly see what level my latest entry is on and, if it is on the wrong level, correct the problem immediately. Obviously the number/letter structure of formal outline would create confusion.
Thanks,
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| 7314 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: feature request
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:
> Would it be possible in the next version of ShadowPlan to provide a
Not in the next version; the current thrust is to beef up the
desktop and conduit, as they were virtually ignored for awhile while
preparing Shadow Plan 2.5. For the multiple bullet types feature we'll
have to do lots of thinking too -- is it to be a file level pref (liek the
locking of autonumbering), or a sublevel by sublevel thing, and how to UI
and store it, etc. So it won't be for awhile I'm afraid :(
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7315 |
From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 9:51pm
Subject: PG Ad
|
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FYI, since we've been talking about PalmGear, you might want to know
that your ad there (the one below the navigation bar on the left, not a
banner) shows up with Shadow 2.2 although it does link to version 2.5 in
the product database when you click it.
Jen
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| 7316 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 9:57pm
Subject: Re: PG Ad
|
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:
> FYI, since we've been talking about PalmGear, you might want to know
> that your ad there (the one below the navigation bar on the left, not
> a banner) shows up with Shadow 2.2 although it does link to version
> 2.5 in the product database when you click it.
yeah. It won't be there much longer I imagine (the ad), so I'm not
too worried about it.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7317 |
From: John Rieley <johnrieley@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 11:20pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
|
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Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> ...Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned
> company. Every day is a new challenge :/
Do you suggest we consumers veer away from them to another
vendor?
John Rieley
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| 7318 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 2, 2002 11:31pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
|
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Rieley wrote:
> > ...Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned
> > company. Every day is a new challenge :/
>
> Do you suggest we consumers veer away from them to another vendor?
I dunno if there are legal implications.. but take this:
PalmGear hasn't paid a lot of developers in about 8 months.. even
though the money is the developers and not PGs. Took me 5 months before I
got anything from them, and only because I got very very angry.
PG keeps 25% of the sale price for themself. Handango keeps
30%. Each authors own stores usually keep 0-15%, so they are always
preferable.
So if you want your money to go to the developer.. use their own
store :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7319 |
From: Andy Bryant <ajbwap@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:36am
Subject: Archiving checked items
|
| |
Quick Q...
Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to
another?
I've got a running to-do list, and don't want to delete the completed
items - but do want to move them to an 'archive list'.
What's the best way to do this?
Cheers, Andy.
|
| 7320 |
From: Russ & Ling <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:46am
Subject: Re: Archiving checked items
|
| |
Andy Bryant wrote:
>
> Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to
> another?
>
> I've got a running to-do list, and don't want to delete the completed
> items - but do want to move them to an 'archive list'.
>
> What's the best way to do this?
Cut and Send To File under the [c] popmenu at upper right. You can also use
the several cut/copy checked items menu commands under Edit to move the
checked items to the clipboard, then use Send To File to dump them to your
'archive list.'
Ling
--
|
| 7321 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Archiving checked items
|
| |
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Andy Bryant wrote:
> Is there an easy way to archive checked items from one file to
> another?
Do you mean Archive or Copy?
If you mean archive as in delete-and-archive, then you can just do
a "delete all checked" and when asked, hit "Archive", and everything will
get sent to the _Archive_ file.
If you mean Copy, then just use the clip. Copy all Checked, and
Send to .. to ship the clipboard off to another list, and then hit Clear
Clip.
Cheers,
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7322 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 2:12pm
Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
|
| |
Just to add to Jeff's response, I usually use PalmGear as a search tool to
find the software I want. Then I just use google to find the creators own
site. I think I would be willing to register by snail mail rather than use
PalmGear or Handango. Just my .02.
Scott
Jeff Mitchell
<support@s... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
eton.org> cc:
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Any news on PG?
10/02/2002
06:31 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, John Rieley wrote:
> > ...Just so weird. PalmGear is the weirdest damned
> > company. Every day is a new challenge :/
>
> Do you suggest we consumers veer away from them to another vendor?
I dunno if there are legal implications.. but take this:
PalmGear hasn't paid a lot of developers in about 8 months..
even
though the money is the developers and not PGs. Took me 5 months before I
got anything from them, and only because I got very very angry.
PG keeps 25% of the sale price for themself. Handango keeps
30%. Each authors own stores usually keep 0-15%, so they are always
preferable.
So if you want your money to go to the developer.. use their own
store :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7323 |
From: Stewart Midwinter <stewart@m...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 3:06pm
Subject: Shadow Crash after hard reset
|
| |
Due to a little accident with my Handera (I accidentally allowed one
of the batteries to touch the wrong contacts while changing
batteries), I lost all data. No problem, I just re-synced and
BackupBuddy took care of everything.
Now, the problem. When I now start up Shadow, my Handera crashes
immediately with a Fatal Exception message. I tried deleted
Shadow.prc and re-loading it, but that was no help. Should I delete
some other files as well? e.g. ShadP- , ShadViews, etc. BTW my
Shadow.prc was in RAM, not on my CF card, and I have no shortcut set
up for it.
Thanks for any clues!
Stewart in Calgary
|
| 7324 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Crash after hard reset
|
| |
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
> Due to a little accident with my Handera (I accidentally allowed one
> of the batteries to touch the wrong contacts while changing
> batteries), I lost all data. No problem, I just re-synced and
> BackupBuddy took care of everything.
>
> Now, the problem. When I now start up Shadow, my Handera crashes
> immediately with a Fatal Exception message. I tried deleted
> Shadow.prc and re-loading it, but that was no help. Should I delete
> some other files as well? e.g. ShadP- , ShadViews, etc. BTW my
> Shadow.prc was in RAM, not on my CF card, and I have no shortcut set
> up for it.
If you have a fancy tool or launcher, try deleting your
Prefs. They can sometimes get corrupted when whacky stuff happens, or
perhaps they have some state which nolonger applies due to lost settings
and whatnot. If your'e stuck, let me know, I'll try and think of a way to
clear the prefs :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7325 |
From: Griff <keith@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again
|
| |
FWIW, Datebk5 now supports tiny fonts...I too love Shadow for the
list views though.
I love playing too...I once wrote an entire goal, project, task, life
management system in HanDBase...took a good 2 days of work on a
retreat up to the mountains...it was awesome...and technically worked
very well...
Problem is it wasn't useful in day to day life <LOL>
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...>
wrote:
>
> I really haven't made my hard choices yet. I was moving into using
Datebk5
> more, but now I've got a T615, and love the tiny fonts in shadow.
Problem
> is, I really don't have very detailed projects, yet love playing
with
> complicated preferences/setups.
>
> ...sigh...
>
> I'll go back to my eternal app switching now ;)
>
|
| 7326 |
From: Stewart Midwinter <stewart@m...>
Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:06pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Crash after hard reset
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> If you have a fancy tool or launcher, try deleting your
> Prefs.
nope, didn't work (Saved and Unsaved both deleted). Nor did deleting
ShadFilters, ShadViews, ShadTags, or indeed deleting *all* of my
Shadow files (I have a backup on my PC). But, good news... I
installed a new copy of Shadow.prc, from my Shadow25.zip file, and
all is well.
It appears that under some circumstances, a Shadow can move over to
the dark side ... that is, become corrupted. It happens to the best
of us :-)
cheers,
Stewart in Calgary
|
| 7327 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:30am
Subject: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
As a rule.. if you ask for help, and I reply, and you have an
automated spam defence which mails me back, asking me to click on a link,
watch some ads, and fill out a form, to get the email through..
I won't.
Jeff
(I'm seeing more and more of these. It means you're letting psdam
rule you into bad ideas.. so you've already lost :/)
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7328 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:31am
Subject: Let me add..
|
| |
Today I had about 5 or 10 registrations where the folks had spam
defence. Registration is automatic.. I don't participate in it.. I just
randomly checked the returnbox for registration mailouts today, and low
and behold..
If your'e going to have a draconian spam defence (can't blame you
really :/), you should be very careful to manually tune it, and watch its
catches...
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7329 |
From: Knut Zakariassen <lists@z...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 8:38am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 659
|
| |
It was once uttered on the shadow-discuss list...
<snip..>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:12:42 -0500
> From: smasters@a...
> Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
>
>
> Just to add to Jeff's response, I usually use PalmGear as a search tool to
> find the software I want. Then I just use google to find the creators own
> site. I think I would be willing to register by snail mail rather than use
> PalmGear or Handango. Just my .02.
>
> Scott
>
A little comment regarding the current discussion:
<rant>
For Non-US / Overseas Customers, there is another factor that hasn't been mentioned
yet.. And that's the dependability and and ease of use of the store.
A _lot_ of the smaller, developer-owned webshops has a nasty tendency to 'forget' that
there are countries beyond the borders of the USofA. I've lost count of how many times
I've gone to a developers webshop to buy some software, only to discover that although
they have fancy drop down lists with more countries than I've heard of, the processing
script still demands that I enter which of the 50 states I live in, and / or it will
not accept a Non-US zip/post-code.
Ok.
So then I send a polite mail to the owner/webmaster to ask him to make his processing page
and / or scripts a little more world-friendly. What happens?
Well I'll let you in on a little secret.. I'm on my fifth year using a PalmOS device,
and I've yet to get a reply to a mail asking a developer to change the processing pages
and scripts.
Much less any real life effects to the pages and scripts.. :-/
So, I guess thats why I've stayed with PalmGear. So far, at least, they've shown the courtesy
to me as a customer, to make it possible to enter my shipping and charging details in a way that
is at least remotely similar to the way I'd enter them in Real Life..
</rant>
Mind You, Jeff's store seems to be one of the very few and _very_ laudable exceptions.
When the Unix desktop hits the streets, I know where I'll get it from. :-)
Regards, Knut Zakariassen
|
| 7330 |
From: Justin Nelson <justinn@e...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 8:59am
Subject: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
I'm using Blue Squirrel's SpamSleuth, which weeds out emails that seem
likely to be spam, and "suspends" them for the user to check and allow or
veto as appropriate. It does require the user to "train" the program
(identify good senders, and adjust the program's ratings to suit individual
needs) and to go through the suspended emails (I forgot for a couple of
days, then found a long-awaited email sitting there!) but it is a useful
and *non-aggressive* filter (IMHO)
If anyone is interested in learning more, visit Blue Squirrel at
www.bluesquirrel.com
I have no connection with them, except as a satisfied customer, BTW
At 07:22 04/10/2002 +0000, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>(I'm seeing more and more of these. It means you're letting psdam
>rule you into bad ideas.. so you've already lost :/)
Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5,
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)
|
| 7331 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:
> I'm using Blue Squirrel's SpamSleuth, which weeds out emails that seem
> likely to be spam, and "suspends" them for the user to check and allow
> or veto as appropriate. It does require the user to "train" the
> program (identify good senders, and adjust the program's ratings to
> suit individual needs) and to go through the suspended emails (I
> forgot for a couple of days, then found a long-awaited email sitting
> there!) but it is a useful and *non-aggressive* filter (IMHO)
See, thats okay in my books. Its intrusive to the user (you),
until it gets trained. And you know you need to check your inbox a bit.
Its the ones that send me back an email and requier me 5 minutes
of work to get an email through, when a person sends me a 5 word question
:)
For that matter, I need to get a good list of places to ban
.. we're getting abotu 20 or so spam attempts a day to the mailing lists
here. They all get caught, but its sure adding up in my bounce-box :P
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7332 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 659
|
| |
that's a real intelligent reason for such a decision...sounds like you need a hobby in life! ; )
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Knut Zakariassen
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 659
It was once uttered on the shadow-discuss list...
<snip..>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:12:42 -0500
> From: smasters@a...
> Subject: Re: Any news on PG?
>
>
> Just to add to Jeff's response, I usually use PalmGear as a search tool to
> find the software I want. Then I just use google to find the creators own
> site. I think I would be willing to register by snail mail rather than use
> PalmGear or Handango. Just my .02.
>
> Scott
>
A little comment regarding the current discussion:
<rant>
For Non-US / Overseas Customers, there is another factor that hasn't been mentioned
yet.. And that's the dependability and and ease of use of the store.
A _lot_ of the smaller, developer-owned webshops has a nasty tendency to 'forget' that
there are countries beyond the borders of the USofA. I've lost count of how many times
I've gone to a developers webshop to buy some software, only to discover that although
they have fancy drop down lists with more countries than I've heard of, the processing
script still demands that I enter which of the 50 states I live in, and / or it will
not accept a Non-US zip/post-code.
Ok.
So then I send a polite mail to the owner/webmaster to ask him to make his processing page
and / or scripts a little more world-friendly. What happens?
Well I'll let you in on a little secret.. I'm on my fifth year using a PalmOS device,
and I've yet to get a reply to a mail asking a developer to change the processing pages
and scripts.
Much less any real life effects to the pages and scripts.. :-/
So, I guess thats why I've stayed with PalmGear. So far, at least, they've shown the courtesy
to me as a customer, to make it possible to enter my shipping and charging details in a way that
is at least remotely similar to the way I'd enter them in Real Life..
</rant>
Mind You, Jeff's store seems to be one of the very few and _very_ laudable exceptions.
When the Unix desktop hits the streets, I know where I'll get it from. :-)
Regards, Knut Zakariassen
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 7333 |
From: bblackmoor <bblackmoor@b...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> asking me to click on a link, watch some ads, and fill
> out a form, to get the email through... I won't.
The first one is reasonable. The second two aren't.
bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-04
|
| 7334 |
From: Earthlink <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
shouldn't have to do either! spend your time putting specific senders into a rule that puts their mail directly to your deleted messages, don't make others work to get an email to you. people that want me to do that usually don't hear from me by email. my thoughts.
kevin
p.s. if you'd quit entering porn sites your spam would likely decrease. ; )
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: bblackmoor
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: intrusive spam defences..
Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> asking me to click on a link, watch some ads, and fill
> out a form, to get the email through... I won't.
The first one is reasonable. The second two aren't.
bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-04
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 7335 |
From: Ken Latham <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 1:46am
Subject: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?
|
| |
Jeff,
Concerning the bug where all marked ToDos are not imported in a single
pass. Was it supposed to be fixed in 2.5.6a?
Cause its still there for me.
Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, HH 2.5.6a (beta)
Ken
|
| 7336 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 2:43am
Subject: Re: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?
|
| |
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:
> Concerning the bug where all marked ToDos are not imported in a single
> pass. Was it supposed to be fixed in 2.5.6a?
>
> Cause its still there for me.
>
> Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, HH 2.5.6a (beta)
I don't recall this ever being a bug :) (ie: Either I never knew,
or I knew and it fell of my list). I'm only aware that some few units seem
to require the filename hint to be 5 characters or longer. No idea why
that occurs (ie: what is common between the rare units it is a problem on)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7337 |
From: ooookid <ooookid@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 3:13am
Subject: My Suggestions
|
| |
thanks first.
1. we need a real powerful desktop, and you can have a look at bonsai
or brainforest desktop, esp bonsai.
2. I hope desktop shadow could be dispayed like palm version, the
same outlook, same functions, just more convenient.
3. did you notice actually other users are switching from other
software to your program? Like me, please add import from brainforest
functions cause I have lots of bf data.
4. 19.99$, not that expensive comparing to other outliner, butta, I
really wish it could be 10$ around. Anyway, I won't hesitate if
shadow can be better and meet my demands....
Thanks again!
|
| 7338 |
From: sweetpoet888 <sweetpoet888@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Desktop files not syncing
|
| |
My desktop files are not syncing to the handheld. I have the conduit
turned on, and the desktop files are in the ShadowPlan160 folder.
But I don't see them on my handheld after the sync?
Jeff, any ideas on what's going on?
|
| 7339 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 4:14pm
Subject: Re: My Suggestions
|
| |
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:
> 1. we need a real powerful desktop, and you can have a look at bonsai
> or brainforest desktop, esp bonsai.
Wokring on the desktop. It was on hold for awhile to get Shadow
2.5 out. Now that 2.5 is out, the desktop and conduit are the focus. New
conduit is in testing now.
> 2. I hope desktop shadow could be dispayed like palm version, the same
> outlook, same functions, just more convenient.
A thing to remember is that the desktop is not the handheld; a
handheld is for mobility. The desktop is for more power. So it will be
different and complimentary. To support the many types of users and the
many types of lists, I expect to offer many views.. the current two-panel
view is one, and I'll likely add a spreadsheet like view, and maybe a
combined view like on the handheld.. depends on your needs and usage :)
> 3. did you notice actually other users are switching from other
> software to your program? Like me, please add import from brainforest
> functions cause I have lots of bf data.
You can import via memo from brainforest. The other guys don't
publish their data formats like I do, so I cannot easily import directly
from them. (ie: I could perhaps reverse engineer their formats, which is
of dubious legality. But they they can and shoudl change at will to
supoprt their product, meaning I'd be forever trying to fix import modules
rather than real work :) So import via memo import works, and you can do
some import via the Desktop (see a post in Shadow-tips I made for how).
Better imports eventually though.
> 4. 19.99$, not that expensive comparing to other outliner, butta, I
> really wish it could be 10$ around. Anyway, I won't hesitate if shadow
> can be better and meet my demands....
Shadow is $12.99 for hh-only, $19.99 for the works. Its half the
price of BF, and worth twice as much. I'm already barely making a profit,
so going lower isn't likely. Really, Shadow is worth very much more.
Remember, desktop outliners are in the $50-$150 range :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7340 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 4:15pm
Subject: Re: Desktop files not syncing
|
| |
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, sweetpoet888 wrote:
> My desktop files are not syncing to the handheld. I have the conduit
> turned on, and the desktop files are in the ShadowPlan160 folder.
> But I don't see them on my handheld after the sync?
>
> Jeff, any ideas on what's going on?
Depends on how you got them there. Easiest would be to ask the
Shadow Desktop base window to send up the files you'd like to send up, and
they'll go next synch. The files merely being there wont' send them up..
you might be working on them, or they might be files previously on the
handheld but deleted (we leave them on the desktop for backup sake).
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
|
| 7341 |
From: bblackmoor <bblackmoor@b...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
"Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
>
> spend your time putting specific senders into a rule
> that puts their mail directly to your deleted
> messages,
I guess you are new to email. What you describe doesn't work:
spam-bots create a new "from" address for every batch of email.
> p.s. if you'd quit entering porn sites your spam would likely decrease.
Anyone who uses the WWW, posts to USeNet, or buys anything online will
get spam. The more you use the net, the more spam you get. Porn has
nothing to do with it. Don't be an ass.
bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-05
|
| 7342 |
From: Kevin Giberson <kevin@g...>
Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
| |
well said mr. mature! lighten up, sounds like you've been using email a bit too much in life. what i describe does work for the majority of senders over time. what was described before as having to hit links to send email, to each his own, but many i know won't bother to respond to such. a bit defensive on the porn comment too...hmm! ; )
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: bblackmoor
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: intrusive spam defences..
I guess you are new to email. What you describe doesn't work:
spam-bots create a new "from" address for every batch of email.
Anyone who uses the WWW, posts to USeNet, or buys anything online will
get spam. The more you use the net, the more spam you get. Porn has
nothing to do with it. Don't be an ass.
bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-05
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| 7343 |
From: Bert Latamore <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 1:48am
Subject: Re: Re: intrusive spam defences..
|
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A suggestion for managing spam. Use two email addresses. use one as a "public address" that you give to vendors, etc., on the Internet. Keep the other as "private" and only give it out to friends. This is what I do. The result: I get as many as 40 spam messages every day in my "public" email address. But I also get newsletters, Palm software upgrade notices, etc., that I do want in that mailbox. every day I go through and clean it out, which is not a big deal -- I just read the address and header of each email and delete the spam. I am particularly amused by the email I get in French from some winery in France -- I don't speak French and have no idea of how I got on their mail list, but I just delete it.
I still do get some spam on my second address, but not much. Mostly I get emails from friends, which is the idea. Then I use my Yahoo address strictly for the various Yahoo user groups like Shadow that I want to read. Works for me. I realize this is not a solution for Jeff with the huge amount of busines related email that he must handle with his software business, but I thought that others reading this might find this strategy useful for their personal email addresses.
Bert
bblackmoor wrote:"Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
>
> spend your time putting specific senders into a rule
> that puts their mail directly to your deleted
> messages,
I guess you are new to email. What you describe doesn't work:
spam-bots create a new "from" address for every batch of email.
> p.s. if you'd quit entering porn sites your spam would likely decrease.
Anyone who uses the WWW, posts to USeNet, or buys anything online will
get spam. The more you use the net, the more spam you get. Porn has
nothing to do with it. Don't be an ass.
bblackmoor@b...
2002-10-05
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| 7344 |
From: Ken Latham <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 4:56am
Subject: Re: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:
>
> > Concerning the bug where all marked ToDos are not imported in a
single
> > pass. Was it supposed to be fixed in 2.5.6a?
> >
> > Cause its still there for me.
> >
> > Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, HH 2.5.6a (beta)
>
> I don't recall this ever being a bug :) (ie: Either I never knew,
> or I knew and it fell of my list). I'm only aware that some few
units seem
> to require the filename hint to be 5 characters or longer. No idea
why
> that occurs (ie: what is common between the rare units it is a
problem on)
>
> jeff
>
That's exactly why I was asking. The original bug report mutated into
the report on labels of 5 letters or less. However, the original bug
had nothing (apparently) to do with that.
Take a look at post #6453. It gives a very good description of the
successive imports necessary to get everything into Shadow.
Its not a bug you can't work around and would only affect you if you
import to several files simultaneously. Just thought you ought to
know about it...
Ken
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| 7345 |
From: ooookid <ooookid@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 7:11am
Subject: Mitchell, You Scared me!
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I found a skeleton.org, ohhh, too scary name! and I then associate
this to your software's name "shadow"!!! and your web site's color,
background (Now is not all dark, but I clearly remember your previous
web site is all DARK which makes me very uncomfortable.......)
WHy? Come out of the shadow, okay? We need sunshine.....check other
software's website, all looks colorful, attractive.
This might be personal and I might not ask. But this kinda feeling...
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| 7346 |
From: cho88ss <corwig@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 8:51pm
Subject: 2.5 install problems
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I've been using version 2.0 for some time now on a Palm M500 and a
Windows 98 system without problems. I just paid $9.99 for the desktop
addition and downloaded version 2.5, but when I tried to install by
double-clicking Shadow.exe I got the following error messages:
"A required .DLL file, EXPAT.DLL, was not found." and
"Windows error 32 running "C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\Shadow.exe"."
I checked the Microsoft website for EXPAT.DLL information, and all I
could find was a note that products containing EXPAT.DLL include
Windows NT Services for Unix 2.0 and 3.0. Since I'm using Windows 98,
I'm having trouble understanding what I can do to fix the install
problem - if there truly is a critical .DLL file missing from my
Windows directory, any advice as to how I get it off the web or the
Win98 CD-ROM and install it in the right place?
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| 7347 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Importing Marked ToDos - bug still there?
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Ken Latham wrote:
> That's exactly why I was asking. The original bug report mutated into
> the report on labels of 5 letters or less. However, the original bug
> had nothing (apparently) to do with that.
>
> Take a look at post #6453. It gives a very good description of the
> successive imports necessary to get everything into Shadow.
>
> Its not a bug you can't work around and would only affect you if you
> import to several files simultaneously. Just thought you ought to
> know about it...
Curious.
OKay, I'll re-investigate. I remember reading that, but I mistook
it for something else.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7348 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Mitchell, You Scared me!
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:
> I found a skeleton.org, ohhh, too scary name! and I then associate
> this to your software's name "shadow"!!! and your web site's color,
> background (Now is not all dark, but I clearly remember your previous
> web site is all DARK which makes me very uncomfortable.......)
>
> WHy? Come out of the shadow, okay? We need sunshine.....check other
> software's website, all looks colorful, attractive.
>
> This might be personal and I might not ask. But this kinda feeling...
Ahh, more history questions :) Bear with me.. I've tired right now
:)
I originally was going to go with Palm Plan, but I didn't want to
get into a litigous name situation, and many sites stopped carrying apps
with Palm in the name over that very concern. I have an odd sense of
humour sometimes, and it popped into my head one day as "Shadow Plan", in
reference to your Shadow always being there.. you cannot easily get rid of
your shadow, and I liked the idea that you can't lose your data being
implied. So "Shadow Plan" came to be, with the famous website quote. Also,
there is "The Shadow knows!" in reference to the old The Shadow comic
character which many people remember.
So "Shadow Plan" is a "keen name" in my opinion, and not related
to "dark". The website was a rich coal charcoal sort of colouration
because I'm sick of "all the same" looking websites and wanted to have a
little fun. Shadows are dark, so the website was dark. I'm not interesting
in making "more of the same".. you can quote me.. "if its worth doing,
its worth doing right, and with a little fun".
skeleton.org is my personal domain. I've got a few, but
skeleton.org is the machine I post my email from, and thus is the one that
attracts spam the most (I get more spam than most, since I'm a more public
figure). As such, I send most of the spam to the grave.. spam -> skeleton
-> grave.. another piece of my sad sense of humour ;) Skeleton has nothign
to do with the Shadow software, and if I had half a brain I'd email
everything from codejedi.
However, its historical. When Shadow first started up, I'd not
built a corporate presence for it (didn't want to invest too much unless
it was going to be a hit). So I was still posting from my personal domain
when I moved to codejedi.com. Really, all my email *should* come from
codejedi.com when its Shadow related, and skeleton.org when it is not (and
I have other domains).
However, given the volume of email I receive, its too much work to
swap domains on replies. So I leave them all from one.
The new codejedi website is still sharp and sleek, and still
dark. Why? Since I'm sick of all sites looking like ebay or yahoo or cnn
;)
You don't want Shadow to be the same as the rest. You want it
different and better. Same with my corporate persona :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7349 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: Re: 2.5 install problems
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, cho88ss wrote:
> I've been using version 2.0 for some time now on a Palm M500 and a
> Windows 98 system without problems. I just paid $9.99 for the desktop
> addition and downloaded version 2.5, but when I tried to install by
> double-clicking Shadow.exe I got the following error messages:
>
> "A required .DLL file, EXPAT.DLL, was not found." and
> "Windows error 32 running "C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\Shadow.exe"."
Did you runt he setup25.exe installer, or just run shadow.exe? You
must install, be it a manual install or a setup25.exe install. You cannot
"just run it form the .zip".
> I checked the Microsoft website for EXPAT.DLL information, and all I
> could find was a note that products containing EXPAT.DLL include
> Windows NT Services for Unix 2.0 and 3.0. Since I'm using Windows 98,
> I'm having trouble understanding what I can do to fix the install
> problem - if there truly is a critical .DLL file missing from my
> Windows directory, any advice as to how I get it off the web or the
> Win98 CD-ROM and install it in the right place?
Its included in the distribution, in the By_Hand directory, and in
setup25.exe's auto install.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7350 |
From: ooookid <ooookid@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 0:38am
Subject: This Group Should Be Open!!!
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Hey, did you guys notice that every time we have to login in to see
the message here??? And why? I have been to many friendly yahoo
discussion group including other palm software group, nearly all of
them are open, that is, you can at least view the messages without
Login-in which is in my opinion much more convenient and maybe in
return can attract more other potential users come!
Of course, you can hide other things suchas Polls, Photos,
Files.....but messages should be public, am I right????????
And to Jeff, that's personal thing, as I mentioned, you take all
those "shadow, skeleton....dark style......" as sense of
humor....well, humor r all different around the world,huh?? But we
need be more open, public, do we?
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| 7351 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 1:26am
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Open!!!
|
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, ooookid wrote:
> Hey, did you guys notice that every time we have to login in to see
> the message here??? And why? I have been to many friendly yahoo
> discussion group including other palm software group, nearly all of
> them are open, that is, you can at least view the messages without
> Login-in which is in my opinion much more convenient and maybe in
> return can attract more other potential users come!
If messages can be read without signing in, it attracts more spam
to members since the spambots don't sign in. shadow-discuss is set to the
yahoogroups Open type. I don't see an option for letting peopel read
without signing in.
> Of course, you can hide other things suchas Polls, Photos,
> Files.....but messages should be public, am I right????????
The options to show to anyone are only these:
(See Management -> Web tools if you own a group)
Chat : Members (chat with other members)
Files / Photos : Members (upload/modify/download files)
Bookmarks : Members (create/modify/delete bookmarks)
Database : Off (no one can access the Database feature)
Polls : Members (create/modify/vote in polls)
Members : Members (members view profiles; moderators can view
profiles/change settings)
Calendar : Off (no one can access the Calendar feature)
Promote : Off (no one can access the Promote feature)
"Messages" doesn't have an open option..
> And to Jeff, that's personal thing, as I mentioned, you take all those
> "shadow, skeleton....dark style......" as sense of humor....well,
> humor r all different around the world,huh?? But we need be more open,
> public, do we?
One cannot fall into the trap of trying to make "everyone" happy..
if we did, there would be no humour, no art, no religion, no nothing
:) This is what we use the term "slippery slope" for, and I'll not fall
prey to it.
If you find somethign specific you dislike about something let me
know, and your reasons. I've never had a compaint so far :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7352 |
From: Gunnar Malmquist <gunnar.malmquist@e...>
Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 7:08pm
Subject: Import Todos
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When importing Todo's to Shadow, I would like to be able to display only
Todo's in a selected Todo category. Is that possible in the current
version, or if it is not, will it be in the future? I guess this has been
discussed many times before, but I am too lazy to go back to the
archives...
Gunnar
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| 7353 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 0:04pm
Subject: Re: Import Todos
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Gunnar Malmquist wrote:
> When importing Todo's to Shadow, I would like to be able to display
> only Todo's in a selected Todo category. Is that possible in the
> current version, or if it is not, will it be in the future? I guess
> this has been discussed many times before, but I am too lazy to go
> back to the archives...
You can import by category in Shadow 2.5.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7354 |
From: charlepp <charlepp@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 6:01pm
Subject: Conduit crash
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As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
crashed, and disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
Hotsynching their Shadow data?
I know Jeff is planning on an upgrade on the conduit...and personally,
I can't wait, as the current one is driving me plain crazy!!
Chris
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| 7355 |
From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: RE: Conduit crash
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I've had a few random problems too. Only one case of data loss, when the
conduit crashed DURING HotSync. Didn't take any other conduits with it
though.
I've learned to do everything on the handheld, and turned syncing
completely off. Backup Buddy protects my data. I just use the desktop
for viewing sometimes, but mainly just turn to the handheld which is
sitting in its cradle on my desk.
Jen
-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
-----Original Message-----
From: charlepp [mailto:charlepp@c...]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:02 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Conduit crash
As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
crashed, and disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
Hotsynching their Shadow data?
I know Jeff is planning on an upgrade on the conduit...and personally,
I can't wait, as the current one is driving me plain crazy!!
Chris
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| 7356 |
From: Earthlink <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 7:01pm
Subject: Re: Conduit crash
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Nothing here even close to that serious. Sounds like you might have something going on in addition to the Shadow conduit. However, like others have done, you should just use the handheld for changes until the conduit update occurs, which i hear should be very soon! Just be patient a bit longer and Jeff will give you a great update!
Kevin
Kevin S. Giberson
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----- Original Message -----
From: charlepp
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Conduit crash
As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
crashed, and disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
Hotsynching their Shadow data?
I know Jeff is planning on an upgrade on the conduit...and personally,
I can't wait, as the current one is driving me plain crazy!!
Chris
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| 7357 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 8:17pm
Subject: Re: Conduit crash
|
| |
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, charlepp wrote:
> As much as I love my ShadowPlan 2.5 and the desktop version (not quite
> as slick), I've had tons of problems with the conduit, as Jeff well
> knows, since I've emailed him at least 3 dozen times!
I get a lot of email, so I don't remember nuthin' ;)
> What I'm finding is that the conduit is randomly corrupting the data
> on both the desktop and Palm versions. I've started backing up my data
> both on the desktop and on the Palm, for safety's sake, and it comes
> in handy...today, my main Shadow file on my Clie' had only 3 instead
> of about 40 entries...the rest just disappeared, both on the desktop
> and Palm file. When this happens, I find the Shadow conduit has
> crashed, and disappeared from the Hotsync Manager conduit list, and
> it takes with it both AvantGo's conduit manager and PocketQuicken's
> conduit manager, both of which have to be reinstalled each time.
> Has anyone else run across this problem or something similar in
> Hotsynching their Shadow data?
Conduit issues vary by type; duplication is not a bug per se.. it
is by design, and darned annoying. Crashes and hangs are pretty
infrequent, and data corrupt is *darned* rare. But sometime sone person
gets picked up, due to some usage pattern that seems to cause the
issue. 90% of people have no problems at all, but you dont' hear from them
:)
A new conduit is in alpha right now, and I expect to have it go
beta in a week or two. It is a very fine, if I do say so myself.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7358 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Conduit crash
|
| |
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:
> I've had a few random problems too. Only one case of data loss, when
> the conduit crashed DURING HotSync. Didn't take any other conduits
> with it though.
BTW, the conduit update is very slick with regards to
crashes; ie: IT shouldnt' wedge or crash, and if it does its a bug more
easily found and fixed. More importantly is during any sort of crash or
power failure or act of god, no damage is done.. just push sync again and
it'll pick up where it left off. IT also doesn't require the big Shadow
app to be in main memory anymore, and is much more configurable.
So the wait for the new conduit has been worth it, fear not. It
supports drag and drop movement on both sides of the synch as well..
Once the new conduit is out and about, i'll be free to work on the
desktop as the conduit will be a solid and useful platform for desktop
expansion and updates.
Join shadow-desktop for betas of the conduit in a little while.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 7359 |
From: jimfreda <jimfreda@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 3:50am
Subject: openness on the site
|
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Jeff,
I have always liked the name of the program. It is unusual, and
not as "corporate sleek" as all the rest (Lexus, Agendus [!],
Enron, etc.). I actually didn't care for the dark color of the web site
before only because it didn't seem to load well and the text
contrast was sometimes poor.
I really appreciate your constant support on this site. It makes the
program more fun to use for me! I think the site is plenty open as
it is--what more can you ask than for direct access to the
programmer?
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| 7360 |
From: jdub733 <jdub733@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Mac users.. stand and deliver!
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I need to find out the balance between OSX and OS9- ..
>
> Check the yahoogroup poll soon to pop out.
>
> jeff
You don't know how good it is to 'hear' you say that. I'd just popped
over to the group to see if there were any developments on the Mac
desktop version....I gather you're now sharpening your...er, whatever
you sharpen to get these things done! :)
Good luck!
I've also seen and voted on the poll.
Cheers,
Jules.
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| 7361 |
From: Gunnar Malmquist <gunnar.malmquist@e...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 0:35pm
Subject: Re: Import Todos
|
| |
Sorry, I was expressing myself a little too vaguely (because I didn't know
about the Import Todo function). I was referring to the "New from..."
function that allows you to add Todos to an existing Shadow list. I think
this is much more conventient than to import them to a new list and use
cut-and-paste. I am intending to use a special category in Todo as my Inbox
where I put "project related" activities during the day, and then use the
function "New from" for importing them at my "daily review".
Is that something we may see in the future?
Gunnar
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Import Todos
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Gunnar Malmquist wrote:
> When importing Todo's to Shadow, I would like to be able to display
> only Todo's in a selected Todo category. Is that possible in the
> current version, or if it is not, will it be in the future? I guess
> this has been discussed many times before, but I am too lazy to go
> back to the archives...
You can import by category in Shadow 2.5.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
________________________________________________________________________
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| 7362 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 3:18pm
Subject: | |
