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7101

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 1:31pm
Subject: Re: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again

 
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, McMug wrote:

> BTW, somebody pointed me to PopupFreeTime. It's a hack that shows part
> of the datebook. Unfortunately it only shows the weekly view, which as
> a result only makes the appointments with non-zero durations visible.
> All zero-duration appointments, floats and journals are not visible in
> the hack.
> 
> Incidentally, PopupFreeTime only works with datebook and datebk3, not 
> datebk5. 

	DB5 lives inthe normal datebook database, so DB5 items should show
up as well. If it showed ToDo items, that'd be cool.

> So you can consider add a simple viewer, or sell a separate product
> that does it better than PopupFreeTime!

	Someday. So little time so much to do :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7102

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 3:00pm
Subject: Off Topic: How many color pda users out there currently take advantage off ....

 
the highlight function, just wondering cuz I have a t415 clie and it 
doesn't work to well on this unit, it doesn't highlight anything it 
just makes the fonts larger, Just got a T615C so I'm looking forward 
to see some uses I'm just curious..

TIA
7103

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 3:30pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic: How many color pda users out there currently take advantage off ....

 
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> the highlight function, just wondering cuz I have a t415 clie and it
> doesn't work to well on this unit, it doesn't highlight anything it
> just makes the fonts larger, Just got a T615C so I'm looking forward
> to see some uses I'm just curious..

	Not off topic if you mean the Shadow Hilight function...

	And assuming yuo do.. did you set a colour to hilight to? :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7104

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 6:19pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic: How many color pda users out there currently take advantage off ....

 
Nah not yet, I'm getting my t615c in a few days but on my b&w t415 it 
does not give me an option to change a highlight color, ie. a light 
grey or some variation of grey, I've tested the highlight feature on 
my old 610c and its super cool, way to go jeff, it would be cool if 
for example,you can highlight this week's events and past due at the 
same time(diff. colors of course) maybe this can be done I just 
haven't messed with it yet. I'm looking forward to what you mention, 
the misc. field for "weighting"(not sure if I quoted correctly) but 
my prev. post on time factoring..

thanks jeff



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > the highlight function, just wondering cuz I have a t415 clie and 
it
> > doesn't work to well on this unit, it doesn't highlight anything 
it
> > just makes the fonts larger, Just got a T615C so I'm looking 
forward
> > to see some uses I'm just curious..
> 
> 	Not off topic if you mean the Shadow Hilight function...
> 
> 	And assuming yuo do.. did you set a colour to hilight to? :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7105

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off Topic: How many color pda users out there currently take advantage off ....

 
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Nah not yet, I'm getting my t615c in a few days but on my b&w t415 it 
> does not give me an option to change a highlight color, ie. a light 
> grey or some variation of grey, I've tested the highlight feature on 

	Shadow doesn't support gray on mono units (ie: Since some old
units can do gray, and others not, its a pain to do it well. So I didn't
bother since on many units the gray just washes out anyway :/

> my old 610c and its super cool, way to go jeff, it would be cool if
> for example,you can highlight this week's events and past due at the
> same time(diff. colors of course) maybe this can be done I just
> haven't messed with it yet. I'm looking forward to what you mention,
> the misc. field for "weighting"(not sure if I quoted correctly) but my
> prev. post on time factoring..

	One hilight at a time, just as filters. I may make multiple
filters in the future, then allow colouration via filtr, and then ditch
hilights.. but we'll see.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7106

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 11, 2002 8:27pm
Subject: Sounds good Jeff !!! what about the "weighted" option, is that feasible ?

 
and if so, perhaps on a beta version would this show up

Thanks

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > Nah not yet, I'm getting my t615c in a few days but on my b&w 
t415 it 
> > does not give me an option to change a highlight color, ie. a 
light 
> > grey or some variation of grey, I've tested the highlight feature 
on 
> 
> 	Shadow doesn't support gray on mono units (ie: Since some old
> units can do gray, and others not, its a pain to do it well. So I 
didn't
> bother since on many units the gray just washes out anyway :/
> 
> > my old 610c and its super cool, way to go jeff, it would be cool 
if
> > for example,you can highlight this week's events and past due at 
the
> > same time(diff. colors of course) maybe this can be done I just
> > haven't messed with it yet. I'm looking forward to what you 
mention,
> > the misc. field for "weighting"(not sure if I quoted correctly) 
but my
> > prev. post on time factoring..
> 
> 	One hilight at a time, just as filters. I may make multiple
> filters in the future, then allow colouration via filtr, and then 
ditch
> hilights.. but we'll see.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7107

From: McMug  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 3:30am
Subject: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > Incidentally, PopupFreeTime only works with datebook and datebk3, 
> > not  datebk5. 
 
> DB5 lives inthe normal datebook database, so DB5 items should show
> up as well. If it showed ToDo items, that'd be cool.

Yes and no. PopupFreeTime can display db5 records, right. But it has 
a button to jump to datebook or db3 to edit a selected appt. Perhaps 
to directly add new appts as well, I don't know. Anyway, the function 
is not available for db5.

Note my other post (#7100) on daApptView.
7108

From: bobthepreacher  <lcc@b...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 6:49pm
Subject: Re: suggestion: DB5 and SP again

 
I think that this is the first time I have responded onthis 
group. . .butI feel akin to the discussion. 

A couple of things:
1) I can't remember where I read it (documentation for Lotus 
Approach?)but one of the best suggestions I have ever had for 
organizing data in any kind of a data base (which shadow, is in a 
way) is sitting down with paper and pencil and deciding exactly what 
it is you want the data base to do, track, follow or account for. It 
might not actually take paper. . .but much of what goes into an 
effective plan, or the effective use of planning tools, is deciding 
what and how they will be used for. A lot of the questions or 
solutions in this thread are of the "I'm in the middle of something 
good. . .IF I could just figure out how to get to my information." 
type. 
2) Shadow is more of a META or "big-picture" tool. DB5 organizes the 
daily/weekly details of how to accomplish the big picture. To try and 
manage/juggle the daily details of life in a SP outline would not 
only consume more time than it saves or manages, you would wind up 
with daily outlines impossibly huge.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "McMug" <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...> 
wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > Incidentally, PopupFreeTime only works with datebook and 
datebk3, 
> > > not  datebk5. 
>  
> > DB5 lives inthe normal datebook database, so DB5 items should show
> > up as well. If it showed ToDo items, that'd be cool.
> 
> Yes and no. PopupFreeTime can display db5 records, right. But it 
has 
> a button to jump to datebook or db3 to edit a selected appt. 
Perhaps 
> to directly add new appts as well, I don't know. Anyway, the 
function 
> is not available for db5.
> 
> Note my other post (#7100) on daApptView.
7109

From: Sharon Carleton  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:34pm
Subject: Lost Data

 
Lost all but two entries on my 2 primary work lists
during HotSync. An error was generated on the computer
while Shadow was being processed and HotSync shut
down.  No evidence of bad connection.  Resync seemed
OK but today I find no, my data is gone.  Hope to
recover most thru BackupBuddy tonight but I am
freaked.  I am mainly wanting to know what could have
gone wrong so it doesn't happen again.
Lists acted normal on Clie beforehand.  I had done a
number of clipping operations from one to the other. 
Today the contents showed 59 entries but there were
only 2 when I opened the list.  Later the contents
screen changed to 2.  Any advice is appreciated.  Hard
to make this the primary trusted system when this
happens!  Thanks.  Sharon
--- Scarlet@N... <Scarlet@N...>
wrote:
> Lost nearly all the entries on my two primary
working lists during HotSync.
> A HotSync error was generated at the Shadow point
and the HotSync manager
> shut down.  No idea why.  Repeat HotSync appeared to
work, but today I find,
> no, my data is gone.  No indication that the
connection was broken.  Hope to
> recover most of my entries through BackupBuddy
tonight, but I am freaked
> (and making an attempt to email from work).  I am
primarily concerned with
> what could have gone wrong?  Lists behaved normally
on the Clie beforehand.
> I had done a number of transfers between the two
lists.  This morning (when
> I opened the program again) the "table of contents"
said I had 59 entries
> but when I opened there were only two.  After
opening and closing a few
> times the contents switched to 2 entries as well. 
Any advice is
> appreciated!  Hard to make this my primary trusted
system if this is going
> to happen.


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7110

From: forlistsonly  <forlistsonly@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: Hot syn error

 
I don't know if this is in the archives, but I have checked the FAQ 
and manual.  I have started receiving a hot-syn error that actually 
crashes the entire sync process.  Any ideas on how to fix this?

Thanks,
SD
7111

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: Re: Lost Data

 
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Sharon Carleton wrote:

> Lost all but two entries on my 2 primary work lists during HotSync. An
> error was generated on the computer while Shadow was being processed
> and HotSync shut down.  No evidence of bad connection.  Resync seemed
> OK but today I find no, my data is gone.  Hope to recover most thru
> BackupBuddy tonight but I am freaked.  I am mainly wanting to know
> what could have gone wrong so it doesn't happen again. Lists acted
> normal on Clie beforehand.  I had done a number of clipping operations
> from one to the other.  Today the contents showed 59 entries but there
> were only 2 when I opened the list.  Later the contents screen changed
> to 2.  Any advice is appreciated.  Hard to make this the primary
> trusted system when this happens!  Thanks.  Sharon

	If a crash occurs at exactly the wrong time in Shadow conduit, bad
stuff can happen :/ It is generally pretty rare for such a thign to cocur,
but it does happen. I hope to get a fix out, but I'm being delayed right
now :/

	BackupBuddy if done recently will have your data.

	Shadow Desktop keeps 3 or 4 backups, so likely also has yuor data.
Check the Desktop Ref for details, but you shoudl be able to find your
Backup directory with a bunch of backups in it, and restore them. (ie:
DFor instance, you may find your Shadow Desktop file is still good, and
then its easy to restoer your handheld. If the .xml file is also
corrupted, then check your Backup directory for a .0 or .1 or .2 file..
those can be restored, too)

	Lastly, if you have the pre-truncated palm file, then the data can
be extracted from there. Send me the file.

	So depends what stae you're in right now.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7112

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:04pm
Subject: Re: Hot syn error

 
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, forlistsonly wrote:

> I don't know if this is in the archives, but I have checked the FAQ 
> and manual.  I have started receiving a hot-syn error that actually 
> crashes the entire sync process.  Any ideas on how to fix this?

	Specifying the error usually helps ;)

	Do a file find for lastsync.txt; in the same location are yuor
desktop XML files.. move them somewhere else, and a fresh synch should fix
you up.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7113

From: Sharon Carleton  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:09pm
Subject:

 
Lost nearly all the entries on my two primary working
lists during HotSync.  A HotSync error was generated
at the Shadow point and the HotSync manager shut down.
 No idea why.  Repeat HotSync appeared to work, but
today I find, no, my data is gone.  No indication that
the connection was broken.  Hope to recover most of my
entries through BackupBuddy tonight, but I am freaked
(and making an attempt to email from work).  I am
primarily concerned with what could have gone wrong? 
Lists behaved normally on the Clie beforehand.  I had
done a number of transfers between the two lists. 
This morning (when I opened the program again) the
"table of contents" said I had 59 entries but when I
opened there were only two.  After opening and closing
a few times the contents switched to 2 entries as
well.  Any advice is appreciated!  Hard to make this
my primary trusted system if this is going to happen. 
Thanks.  Sharon

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7114

From: Craig  <cdemouy@m...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:40pm
Subject: duplicate enteries

 
Jeff,

I sync on two computers and every changed line is duplicated.  I am 
really getting tied of deleting the dupicates.  Can you P L E A S E 
change the code to not do this?

Thanks!
7115

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:55pm
Subject: Re: duplicate enteries

 
On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Craig wrote:

> I sync on two computers and every changed line is duplicated.  I am
> really getting tied of deleting the dupicates.  Can you P L E A S E
> change the code to not do this?

	Upcoming version is smarter about how it tries to deal with
unknown or paranoid situations.

	You know, I should just make one for the short term that when you
synch on a "different" desktop, it just downloads the files from the
handheld.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7116

From: Sharon Carleton  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:09am
Subject: Re: Lost Data - Update

 
Jeff, I still have no idea WHY this happened but I
wanted to thank you for the very, very user friendly
backup and restore system you have established for
your desktop software.  Now that I'm back at home and
properly synced I'm back in business.  If you have any
input into why the crash might have occurred, great. 
May have been a memory thing on the PC?  The exact
error was that HotSync has caused a fault in Windows
explorer and will shut down. Not much to go on. 
Perhaps just a coincidence that Shadow was
synchronizing at the time.  Anyway, great backup
design.  Sharon
 
--- "Carleton, Sharon [NEUUS]" <Scarlet@N...>
wrote:
> Lost nearly all the entries on my two primary
> working lists during HotSync.
> A HotSync error was generated at the Shadow point
> and the HotSync manager
> shut down.  No idea why.  Repeat HotSync appeared to
> work, but today I find,
> no, my data is gone.  No indication that the
> connection was broken.  Hope to
> recover most of my entries through BackupBuddy
> tonight, but I am freaked
> (and making an attempt to email from work).  I am
> primarily concerned with
> what could have gone wrong?  Lists behaved normally
> on the Clie beforehand.
> I had done a number of transfers between the two
> lists.  This morning (when
> I opened the program again) the "table of contents"
> said I had 59 entries
> but when I opened there were only two.  After
> opening and closing a few
> times the contents switched to 2 entries as well. 
> Any advice is
> appreciated!  Hard to make this my primary trusted
> system if this is going
> to happen.
> 


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7117

From: scarlet_vx  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:21am
Subject: Re: Off Topic: How many color pda users out there currently take advantage off ....

 
I have a highlight request.  Some applications allow you to color the 
background as well, not just change the color of the font.  Since I'm 
using a high-res display and teeny tiny print, it's hard to make 
highlighted fonts in Shadow really stand out in most cases.  (I'm one 
of the poor souls whose font size preferences won't stick).  I 
primarily use highlighting to make entries fade into the background 
rather than stand out.  It's just an idea, but the ability to color 
in the background would be great.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > Nah not yet, I'm getting my t615c in a few days but on my b&w 
t415 it 
> > does not give me an option to change a highlight color, ie. a 
light 
> > grey or some variation of grey, I've tested the highlight feature 
on 
> 
> 	Shadow doesn't support gray on mono units (ie: Since some old
> units can do gray, and others not, its a pain to do it well. So I 
didn't
> bother since on many units the gray just washes out anyway :/
> 
> > my old 610c and its super cool, way to go jeff, it would be cool 
if
> > for example,you can highlight this week's events and past due at 
the
> > same time(diff. colors of course) maybe this can be done I just
> > haven't messed with it yet. I'm looking forward to what you 
mention,
> > the misc. field for "weighting"(not sure if I quoted correctly) 
but my
> > prev. post on time factoring..
> 
> 	One hilight at a time, just as filters. I may make multiple
> filters in the future, then allow colouration via filtr, and then 
ditch
> hilights.. but we'll see.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7118

From: tsuchy  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:23am
Subject: Non-Alphas in filenames

 
Hi,

I noticed that Shadow doesn't let me use periods ('.'), slashes ('/'),
and possibly other non-alphanumeric characters in filenames, but if i
use an app like T'Catalog and change them to include these characters,
they show up fine and Shadow deals with them correctly... is there a
reason for this, and is there any consideration in allowing Shadow to
create files with these characters?

If this is some kind of bizarre bug that only shows up on my device,
then my apologies. I'm using a Palm VIIx, OS 3.5.2, if it matters.

Thanks!
Tom Suchy
7119

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:58am
Subject: Re: Non-Alphas in filenames

 
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, tsuchy wrote:

> I noticed that Shadow doesn't let me use periods ('.'), slashes ('/'),
> and possibly other non-alphanumeric characters in filenames, but if i
> use an app like T'Catalog and change them to include these characters,
> they show up fine and Shadow deals with them correctly... is there a
> reason for this, and is there any consideration in allowing Shadow to
> create files with these characters?

	The Palm OS doesn't care about the filename content, however the
desktop platforms people usually use certainly do care. As such, to make
everyones life easier (mine included ;), Shadow strips out various
"common" characters that annother desktop OSes, though not all. ie: On
Windows, putting "/", ",", ">", "*" etc in filenames is seriously
uncool. Unix will handle it, but then a user poking around will have a
harder time dealing with those files. On Mac OS9, its different characters
and on OSX its a combo of unix and OS9 limitations.

> If this is some kind of bizarre bug that only shows up on my device,
> then my apologies. I'm using a Palm VIIx, OS 3.5.2, if it matters.

	No bug :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7120

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off Topic: How many color pda users out there currently take advantage off ....

 
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:

> I have a highlight request.  Some applications allow you to color the 
> background as well, not just change the color of the font.  Since I'm 
> using a high-res display and teeny tiny print, it's hard to make 
> highlighted fonts in Shadow really stand out in most cases.  (I'm one 
> of the poor souls whose font size preferences won't stick).  I 
> primarily use highlighting to make entries fade into the background 
> rather than stand out.  It's just an idea, but the ability to color 
> in the background would be great.

	Hilighting will get totally redone in awhile, time permitting..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7121

From: Guilherme Luiz Aguiar Pedrosa  <guilherme.pedrosa@i...>
Date: Sat Sep 14, 2002 0:30am
Subject: Suggestions for the (maybe not in near future) weigthing field

 
Hello, Jeff!

I was thinking about your weight field and... I think 1-250 may 
be a tight range if you want to use it with a "minutes" 
precision. Using an hour as precision could make hard to "weight" 
items that require less than that. 
And it would be difficult also to interpretate the meaning of a 
166 hours or a 231 minutes parent.

My sugestion:
I don't know implementation details of SP, but I know you can 
represent a value up to 65536 with 2 bytes of information. If you 
think in minute precision, this means about 45 days of maximum 
duration. 
Then, I should be able to say if that weighting field is or is 
not a duration field and, if it is, I could see it already 
interpretated as '1h35' for 1 hour and 35 minutes, '1d12' for one 
day and twelve hours and so on.

I own a Palm III and I would not mind losing 2 byte per shadow 
item of my 2 MB memory to record this info (supposing it's stored 
like this).
About the "view as duration", I think this will be the most used 
way by the SP user, when looking at this field.

I know this may not come in a near future but... what do you 
think?

Thanks,
Guilherme.
7122

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sat Sep 14, 2002 4:56am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the (maybe not in near future) weigthing field

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Guilherme Luiz Aguiar Pedrosa"
<guilherme.pedrosa@i...> wrote:
> Hello, Jeff!
> 
> I was thinking about your weight field and... I think 1-250 may 
> be a tight range if you want to use it with a "minutes" 
> precision. Using an hour as precision could make hard to "weight" 
> items that require less than that. 
> And it would be difficult also to interpretate the meaning of a 
> 166 hours or a 231 minutes parent.
> 
> My sugestion:
> I don't know implementation details of SP, but I know you can 
> represent a value up to 65536 with 2 bytes of information. If you 
> think in minute precision, this means about 45 days of maximum 
> duration. 
> Then, I should be able to say if that weighting field is or is 
> not a duration field and, if it is, I could see it already 
> interpretated as '1h35' for 1 hour and 35 minutes, '1d12' for one 
> day and twelve hours and so on.
> 
<snip>

I think I can agree with this in the general sense, but not
specifically geared toward time.  For example:

What about level of attention (or maybe difficulty).  If you are
managing tasks for several people and generally divide the work into
even time allotments amoung them, then you don't need time, you need
to attach how much of your time it will take to guide each effort. 
For me that's a factor of difficulty for the assignee.

What about cost?  Dollars and cents.  This seems obvious to me...

What about frequency of visitation (babysitting).  As in, how much
attention a client needs to have those "warm and fuzzies".  In fact in
this case, I might want to see the average "w&f" for all the projects
for that client instead of the sum.  This is not time spent,
necessarily, I have clients that just like to hear from me on a
regular basis, but not necessarily for any length of time.

I could spew out a few dozen more if I really thought about it... but
I think that makes my point.

Personally, I'd like to see ...

First pass:
(a) One weighting per item
(b) file level weighting display format spec.
(c) file level "summation" function choices (sum, average, mean, etc)

Second pass:  (I know Jeff, this is pushing it!)
(a) multiple weightings per item
(b) file level cross weight functions where the function is an
expression involving all (or some) of the weightings.
.... Ex. hours = f( est. code lines(c), difficulty(d), programmer
ability(a), number of people on project(n) )
.... where f = (c * d * (10 - a)) + (((c * d * (10-a))*.1) * n)
.... << not my *actual* formula, but you get the idea...>>
(c) multiple display formats (one for each weighting)
(d) parent level child summation function selection

Third pass: (now I'm really dreaming)
(a) multiple cross weighting functions per item (still file level
definition)
(b) multiple summation functions defined in terms of the individual
weightings and/or the function outcomes of the child cross weighting
functions.

just my 2 cents.. no 3 cents worth... :)

Ken
7123

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 14, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: This would be awesome Re: Suggestions on weigthing field

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Guilherme Luiz Aguiar Pedrosa" 
<guilherme.pedrosa@i...> wrote:
> Hello, Jeff!
> 
> I was thinking about your weight field and... I think 1-250 may 
> be a tight range if you want to use it with a "minutes" 
> precision. Using an hour as precision could make hard to "weight" 
> items that require less than that. 
> And it would be difficult also to interpretate the meaning of a 
> 166 hours or a 231 minutes parent.
> 
> My sugestion:
> I don't know implementation details of SP, but I know you can 
> represent a value up to 65536 with 2 bytes of information. If you 
> think in minute precision, this means about 45 days of maximum 
> duration. 
> Then, I should be able to say if that weighting field is or is 
> not a duration field and, if it is, I could see it already 
> interpretated as '1h35' for 1 hour and 35 minutes, '1d12' for one 
> day and twelve hours and so on.
> 
> I own a Palm III and I would not mind losing 2 byte per shadow 
> item of my 2 MB memory to record this info (supposing it's stored 
> like this).
> About the "view as duration", I think this will be the most used 
> way by the SP user, when looking at this field.
> 
> I know this may not come in a near future but... what do you 
> think?
> 
> Thanks,
> Guilherme.
7124

From: Bruce L. Van Buren  <yahoo@a...>
Date: Sun Sep 15, 2002 2:50am
Subject: HandEra support

 
I'd be very happy to send $$ if the next version has at least some 
HandEra support.  Anything more than a promise.
7125

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun Sep 15, 2002 5:09am
Subject: Re: HandEra support

 
Acting without permission as Jeff's agent, I can promise you once the $100,000.00 check from you arrives and is cashed, there will be immediate work on the Handera support you desire!  ; )
Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bruce L. Van Buren 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 6:50 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] HandEra support


  I'd be very happy to send $$ if the next version has at least some 
  HandEra support.  Anything more than a promise.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
7126

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 15, 2002 8:02am
Subject: Suggestion for next release re: View Manager

 
Hi Jeff, I don't know if someone may have suggested this already but 
here it goes just in case. When you view any saved view, 
ie "whatever you name" instead of it showing the list name in blue 
like it does know, it would be cool to have an option to get rid off 
that list name and instead replace it with the name of the view your 
currently using or something to that effect, that way you always see 
which custom save view your in, its easier to know which list your 
in than which view, imho
7127

From: wbornstein  <wbornstein@a...>
Date: Sun Sep 15, 2002 2:48pm
Subject: Templates

 
I've been using SP for my action list for the past few weeks.  The 
main shortcoming I'm encountering is the inability to set up  
templates that tag new entries to the appropriate context 
(e.g., "work") and links them to my to do database.  Perhaps these 
features are there, and I've overlooked them.  Without a template, 
there are just too many steps to set up each entry.  Any suggestions?
7128

From: McMug  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:43am
Subject: Re: Templates

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "wbornstein" <wbornstein@a...> wrote:
> The main shortcoming I'm encountering is the inability to set up  
> templates that tag new entries to the appropriate context 
> (e.g., "work") and links them to my to do database.  

My circumvention is to create an SP list of templates, and use the 
clipboard send-to-file to put them into my active list. The to-do 
link you need has to be added manually though.
7129

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:56am
Subject: Re: Templates

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "McMug" <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...> 
wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "wbornstein" <wbornstein@a...> wrote:
> > The main shortcoming I'm encountering is the inability to set up  
> > templates that tag new entries to the appropriate context 
> > (e.g., "work") and links them to my to do database.  
> 
> My circumvention is to create an SP list of templates, and use the 
> clipboard send-to-file to put them into my active list. The to-do 
> link you need has to be added manually though.

Wouldn't it be easier to duplicate your "SP list of templates" and 
use that to start your new list(s)? Then all you would have to do is 
copy the appropriate template item within the same list rather than 
copying it from one list to another.
7130

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the (maybe not in near future) weigthing field

 
On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Guilherme Luiz Aguiar Pedrosa wrote:

> be a tight range if you want to use it with a "minutes" 
> precision. Using an hour as precision could make hard to "weight" 
> items that require less than that. 

	I'm imagingnig a unsigned 16bit value as yuo guess, but the UI is
the other side of the coin; I am envisioning a sort of entry box where you
can use a slider bar to pick 1-250, or a field to enter in a number.

> Then, I should be able to say if that weighting field is or is not a
> duration field and, if it is, I could see it already interpretated as
> '1h35' for 1 hour and 35 minutes, '1d12' for one day and twelve hours
> and so on.

	Hmm. So you want a "display type" field as well, so it can be a
raw number, or hours, or days, or weight (like grams), etc. Hmm.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7131

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: Re: HandEra support

 
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce L. Van Buren wrote:

> I'd be very happy to send $$ if the next version has at least some 
> HandEra support.  Anything more than a promise.

	VFS works fine on Handera ;)

	I hope to return to normalacy soon (start writing off losses due
to companies being shitty, rather than fight with them more :/), so need
to re-evaluate priorities and targets. (ie: Now that OS5 is looming so
close, I need to push up the OS5 testing a lot more, and gt some
compatability code in there quick. And the conduit needs a major overhaul
ASAP. *shrug*)

	TBD.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7132

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:22pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion for next release re: View Manager

 
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Hi Jeff, I don't know if someone may have suggested this already but 
> here it goes just in case. When you view any saved view, 
> ie "whatever you name" instead of it showing the list name in blue 
> like it does know, it would be cool to have an option to get rid off 
> that list name and instead replace it with the name of the view your 
> currently using or something to that effect, that way you always see 
> which custom save view your in, its easier to know which list your 
> in than which view, imho

	Filename must be shown, since you could easily turn your unit off
for an hour and turn it on and not recall which file your' in. (ie: View
is shared across files, so that doesn't help). I have thought of showing
it in various ways.. but its a toughie to decide. ie: Tapping on the
filename brings pulldown menus out on mos units.. but I coudl build
somethign so that if you tap on the far left of the filename, it toggles
to show the view instead.. or perhaps make a toggle somewhere on the far
lef tor right of the titlebar to toggle the tbar to show the view and
filter and sort.. but then, the tbar is all-button already, so it woudl be
hard to do..

	If you've got a good idea, let me knkow ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7133

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Templates

 
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, wbornstein wrote:

> I've been using SP for my action list for the past few weeks.  The 
> main shortcoming I'm encountering is the inability to set up  
> templates that tag new entries to the appropriate context 
> (e.g., "work") and links them to my to do database.  Perhaps these 
> features are there, and I've overlooked them.  Without a template, 
> there are just too many steps to set up each entry.  Any suggestions?

	You'd have to define what you mean (exactly) by templates..

	Most people mean "Template" to mean "files they can copy
easily". In which case you can (say):

	o) Keep a Shadow category full of tempate files, and then use
'Duplicate' to copy them

	o) Make a file called "Templates", and keep common items in
it. Even tag them to make them easier to find. Then use Clipboard to Copy
and Send-To and Clear, to ship off copied items to other files.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7134

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion for next release re: View Manager

 
Jeff how about making the list show up with a smaller font and next 
to it the view name and it would switch as you toggle between your 
diff saved view. 



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jeff, I don't know if someone may have suggested this already 
but 
> > here it goes just in case. When you view any saved view, 
> > ie "whatever you name" instead of it showing the list name in 
blue 
> > like it does know, it would be cool to have an option to get rid 
off 
> > that list name and instead replace it with the name of the view 
your 
> > currently using or something to that effect, that way you always 
see 
> > which custom save view your in, its easier to know which list 
your 
> > in than which view, imho
> 
> 	Filename must be shown, since you could easily turn your unit 
off
> for an hour and turn it on and not recall which file your' in. (ie: 
View
> is shared across files, so that doesn't help). I have thought of 
showing
> it in various ways.. but its a toughie to decide. ie: Tapping on the
> filename brings pulldown menus out on mos units.. but I coudl build
> somethign so that if you tap on the far left of the filename, it 
toggles
> to show the view instead.. or perhaps make a toggle somewhere on 
the far
> lef tor right of the titlebar to toggle the tbar to show the view 
and
> filter and sort.. but then, the tbar is all-button already, so it 
woudl be
> hard to do..
> 
> 	If you've got a good idea, let me knkow ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7135

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:54pm
Subject: Great idea: Slide Bar Re: Suggestions for the weigthing field

 
how about a slide bar a la Bug Me something like that were one inputs 
some preset time and if one needs to you can customize for whatever 
time you want..

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Guilherme Luiz Aguiar Pedrosa wrote:
> 
> > be a tight range if you want to use it with a "minutes" 
> > precision. Using an hour as precision could make hard to "weight" 
> > items that require less than that. 
> 
> 	I'm imagingnig a unsigned 16bit value as yuo guess, but the 
UI is
> the other side of the coin; I am envisioning a sort of entry box 
where you
> can use a slider bar to pick 1-250, or a field to enter in a number.
> 
> > Then, I should be able to say if that weighting field is or is 
not a
> > duration field and, if it is, I could see it already 
interpretated as
> > '1h35' for 1 hour and 35 minutes, '1d12' for one day and twelve 
hours
> > and so on.
> 
> 	Hmm. So you want a "display type" field as well, so it can be 
a
> raw number, or hours, or days, or weight (like grams), etc. Hmm.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7136

From: McMug  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: Re: Templates

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "pfieldho_99" <pfieldho_99@y...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "McMug" <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...> 
> wrote:
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "wbornstein" <wbornstein@a...> wrote:
> > > The main shortcoming I'm encountering is the inability to set 
up  
> > > templates that tag new entries to the appropriate context 
> > > (e.g., "work") and links them to my to do database.  
> > 
> > My circumvention is to create an SP list of templates, and use 
the 
> > clipboard send-to-file to put them into my active list. The to-do 
> > link you need has to be added manually though.
> 
> Wouldn't it be easier to duplicate your "SP list of templates" and 
> use that to start your new list(s)? Then all you would have to do 
> is copy the appropriate template item within the same list rather 
> than copying it from one list to another.

No. the point of the template is it contains a lot of useful list 
items. Things I do from time to time. I add selected items to my main 
list and adjust the start date. The text and tags and priority serves 
as defaults to the new item created.
7137

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: Suggestion for next release re: View Manager

 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Jeff how about making the list show up with a smaller font and next 
> to it the view name and it would switch as you toggle between your 
> diff saved view. 

	The "tab" where the filename is is a system function provided by
the OS. We dont' mess with it. (You can, but its seriosuly uncool and
asking for trouble)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7138

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion for next release re: View Manager

 
ah ok, but I'm sure you'll come up with something cool, you always 
do, anything will do as long as you see easily which view one is in 
but the weighting feature IMHO is more need than knowing the saved 
view name... weighing will spice SP even more I think, looking 
forward to the next beta release already.

thanks

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > Jeff how about making the list show up with a smaller font and 
next 
> > to it the view name and it would switch as you toggle between 
your 
> > diff saved view. 
> 
> 	The "tab" where the filename is is a system function provided 
by
> the OS. We dont' mess with it. (You can, but its seriosuly uncool 
and
> asking for trouble)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7139

From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Templates

 
I think what the original poster was getting at was not a template file,
but a predetermined tag or list of tags to be applied. I too struggled with
getting new items tagged correctly until I did two things:

1. per Jeff, set up my filters to include items that had no tag. That way
no matter what filter is applied you can see what still needs to be tagged.
THe "inbox within the inbox" where I am concerned. There's a post to
"Shadow Tips" with more detail.
2. I know this is Discuss, but using a new alpha has also helped, because
it has 2 tap tagging.

As far as the Todo's, I set up my inbox so all new items are linked to
todo, category inbox. Then I have the ToDo link displayed in a custom view,
so I can get rid of the few links I don't want with one tap each.

Hope this helps.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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I've been using SP for my action list for the past few weeks.  The
main shortcoming I'm encountering is the inability to set up
templates that tag new entries to the appropriate context
(e.g., "work") and links them to my to do database.  Perhaps these
features are there, and I've overlooked them.  Without a template,
there are just too many steps to set up each entry.  Any suggestions?
7140

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: Re: Templates

 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 smasters@a... wrote:

> 2. I know this is Discuss, but using a new alpha has also helped, because
> it has 2 tap tagging.

	I posted the URL (as a beta) last week to the 2.5.6 alpha, so I
consider it "available".

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7141

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:06pm
Subject: Linking to the Datebook

 
I just realized when you link to the datebook(in my case dbk5) you 
can't select the category nor the time of the appt is that coming 
soon ? TIA
7142

From: yoohoocity  <alsiders203@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:14pm
Subject: Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "jledesma28" <jledesma28@y...> wrote:
> I just realized when you link to the datebook(in my case dbk5) you 
> can't select the category nor the time of the appt is that coming 
> soon ? TIA


The category support (or lack of it) is probably due to the fact that 
the built-in datebook database does not have any category support.  
It was added to DateBk 3/4/5.  So while you can tell Shadow to launch 
DateBk5 when following a link, the setup of the link is still 
dependent on the limitations of the built-in datebook (i.e. no 
categories).  It would be great to have it (and time selection), but 
category selection would be pretty much app-specific to DateBk5 and 
as Jeff states he tries not to do anything app-specific unless 
absolutely necessary.  Then, again I could be wrong about all of this.
7143

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:21pm
Subject: Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> I just realized when you link to the datebook(in my case dbk5) you 
> can't select the category nor the time of the appt is that coming 
> soon ? TIA

	"Category" is not a standard datebook database attribute; it is
DB5 only. Shadow sticks very closely to the standards (I've got enough to
do following the standards, without supporting each little extension that
thousands of Palm apps have done ;) However, that is why you have link
"goto' and many ways to easily jump back to Shadow.. you can create the
link, then do a goto and see your item ni DB5, then do a "Return" (hit
Home, if yuo've enabled that option in Shadow), or use ShadowLinkHack, or
use various Hacks, to jump back to Shadow.  Setting the time, the category
in DB5, or an alarm, is done this way.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7144

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:36pm
Subject: Thanks for your response Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
thanks for the response I had no idea, yes I know SP hack and the 
goto I just thought it was something simple but you're absolutely 
correct you can't cater your app to match every other app out there, 
Shadow still rules no matter what, can't wait for "sibling tags" and 
weighing to come along, thanks guys



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > I just realized when you link to the datebook(in my case dbk5) 
you 
> > can't select the category nor the time of the appt is that coming 
> > soon ? TIA
> 
> 	"Category" is not a standard datebook database attribute; it 
is
> DB5 only. Shadow sticks very closely to the standards (I've got 
enough to
> do following the standards, without supporting each little 
extension that
> thousands of Palm apps have done ;) However, that is why you have 
link
> "goto' and many ways to easily jump back to Shadow.. you can create 
the
> link, then do a goto and see your item ni DB5, then do a "Return" 
(hit
> Home, if yuo've enabled that option in Shadow), or use 
ShadowLinkHack, or
> use various Hacks, to jump back to Shadow.  Setting the time, the 
category
> in DB5, or an alarm, is done this way.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7145

From: Michael Davidson  <mdavids+yahoo@b...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
On Mon, 16  2002, yoohoocity (alsiders203@a...) wrote:
> 
> The category support (or lack of it) is probably due to the fact that 
> the built-in datebook database does not have any category support.  

If I recall the DateBk docs correctly, this is not technically true. The
built-in database does have category support, but the built-in datebook
applicatoin chooses not to use the capability.  DateBk uses it, but it's
there in the database no matter what app you're using.

Michael
7146

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: Thanks for your response Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> correct you can't cater your app to match every other app out there, 
> Shadow still rules no matter what, can't wait for "sibling tags" and 
> weighing to come along, thanks guys

	Guys? Nope, just me :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7147

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Michael Davidson wrote:

> > The category support (or lack of it) is probably due to the fact that 
> > the built-in datebook database does not have any category support.  
> 
> If I recall the DateBk docs correctly, this is not technically true. The
> built-in database does have category support, but the built-in datebook
> applicatoin chooses not to use the capability.  DateBk uses it, but it's
> there in the database no matter what app you're using.

<OverComplexCommentary>
	Correct; Palm OS databases have records, and a record has an
attribute block, and one of the attributes is category. This is a very
small bitmask which is why categories are limited to 0-15, and why every
record in a Palm OS database *can* support categories. However, its up to
the applications to understand them and to work with them (proper sorting,
UI, etc etc). So it is not correct to say DaetBook (the built in
application) ignores what is there.. it just doesn't support categories,
which are a little easier in Palm OS databases than they otherwise might
be.
</OverComplexCommentary>

	(ie: You could say Quake3 choses not to support Word Doc writing
by the same gesture.. that doesn't make Quake3 incorrect)

	(Sorry, just feeling pedantic ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7148

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:22pm
Subject: Right on, I know you're the man !!!

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > correct you can't cater your app to match every other app out 
there, 
> > Shadow still rules no matter what, can't wait for "sibling tags" 
and 
> > weighing to come along, thanks guys
> 
> 	Guys? Nope, just me :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7149

From: andrewstuartallen  <andrewstuartallen@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:04am
Subject: Beaming Tags?

 
Forgive me if this is a naive question for I am a newbie...
But is it possible to beam tags along with a list? I've tried beaming 
a tagged list to my fiancee's Palm and the tags end up as broken 
links at her end, even though she has the same list of tags in her 
tag manager as I do.
Thanks for any tips....
Andy Allen
7150

From: Steve Clarke  <sclarke@f...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:57pm
Subject: Re: Value for Money - was HandEra support

 
At the risk of being a creep.

If we all take a step back šnd look at all the inexpensive software we 
use on palm devices which help makes us to be much more efficient in our 
professional lives and consider the value for money. I for one will have 
no problem in justifying paying £20.00 per year for a upgrade to shadow. 
It will have paid for itself within the first couple of  months.

Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] HandEra support
> 
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce L. Van Buren wrote:
> 
>> I'd be very happy to send $$ if the next version has at least some
>> HandEra support.  Anything more than a promise.
> 
> 	VFS works fine on Handera ;)
> 
> 	I hope to return to normalacy soon (start writing off losses due
> to companies being shitty, rather than fight with them more :/), so need
> to re-evaluate priorities and targets. (ie: Now that OS5 is looming so
> close, I need to push up the OS5 testing a lot more, and gt some
> compatability code in there quick. And the conduit needs a major overhaul
> ASAP. *shrug*)
> 
> 	TBD.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> 
Steve Clarke


sclarke.@f...

sent from a palm
7151

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 0:57pm
Subject: Re: Beaming Tags?

 
There is a separate tag database.  You could use an app like Filez to beem
the database, but that would replace any tags that the other person has.  I
haven't tried this, so I'm not sure what the results would be.

----- Original Message -----
From: "andrewstuartallen"
> Forgive me if this is a naive question for I am a newbie...
> But is it possible to beam tags along with a list? I've
7152

From: fiatspider72  <jphillips@p...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Linking to the Datebook

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	(Sorry, just feeling pedantic ;)

Ah, new word.  Had to look it up:

(From Dictionary.com)

pe∑dan∑tic   adj.

Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book
learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details. 

 - Jeramy
7153

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 2:10pm
Subject: Piki and PowerJog

 
Just an FYI, for those using Piki with a Clie. The newest MegaWiki beta
should support PowerJog, so you can start using that to launch Piki instead
of being forced to use EasyLaunch.

Scott
7154

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 2:52pm
Subject: Re: Beaming Tags?

 
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, andrewstuartallen wrote:

> Forgive me if this is a naive question for I am a newbie...
> But is it possible to beam tags along with a list? I've tried beaming 
> a tagged list to my fiancee's Palm and the tags end up as broken 
> links at her end, even though she has the same list of tags in her 
> tag manager as I do.

	You'd have to beam your tag database over to her, though the side
effect would be that it would clobber her tag database. (Which is why I
did not include an option to beam it.. too dangerous. Beaming of
individual tags is not yet supported and can be very complex). If she
doesn't use tags, you can safely send yours over.. by usnig a 3rd party
file maanger or some launchers.. you'll just beam over your ShadTags
file..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7155

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 2:55pm
Subject: Re: Value for Money - was HandEra support

 
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Steve Clarke wrote:

> At the risk of being a creep.
> 
> If we all take a step back šnd look at all the inexpensive software we 
> use on palm devices which help makes us to be much more efficient in our 
> professional lives and consider the value for money. I for one will have 
> no problem in justifying paying £20.00 per year for a upgrade to shadow. 
> It will have paid for itself within the first couple of  months.

	Sadly, I'm a victom of conscience and good will; from the onset, I
wished to provide not just good value (cheap software), but kille value
(unlimited updates). Its a business mdoel that one can live with getting
new customers (and given the Palm OS market is sufficiently large, this
works). Being a man of honour means I don't take back on my word..

	I am, however, tempted to be the jerk and make Shadow 3.0 require
an update fee and thereafter have subscriptions or the like. However, I
can't say anything since Iv'e put zero thought towards it, and it sickens
me to think about it ;)

	Raising the price of the base uintis is also an option, withotu
renigging on my prior words. (ie: Also, ocne can assume context.. if you
purchased 2 years ago, you probabyl dont' mind paying a update fee, as
I've obviously done my time in free updates over the years).

	*shrug*

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7156

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Yep it works awesome !!!Re: Piki and PowerJog

 
another fyi, you can use K-launch as well, pretty convenient, put 
your piki conf. relating to SP and boom all your list will be 
available, I noticed though that when you bring up SP thru Piki, 
either PowerJog, Easylaunch, or K-launch and you're using lubaks 
fonts or any swiz14, when you go to SP thru any of the aforementioned 
DA's it won't automatically give you the SP list with your selected 
fonts, ie, handera 18B or whatever you choose, but if you have a Clie 
if you hit the back button then magically it turns to your selected 
fonts so its kind of cool, but still fyi for you Clie users out there

Clie's rule


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> Just an FYI, for those using Piki with a Clie. The newest MegaWiki 
beta
> should support PowerJog, so you can start using that to launch Piki 
instead
> of being forced to use EasyLaunch.
> 
> Scott
7157

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:41pm
Subject: Re: Yep it works awesome !!!Re: Piki and PowerJog

 
Wow, thanks for the tip on the back button. I have played around with
setting all the apps up individually, trying to get this right. The back
button fix will really help.
7158

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: That's reasonable Re: Value for Money - was HandEra support

 
its not far fetch to ask current user for a nominal upgrade fee ie. 
$5.00 or something to receive SP 3.0 and subsequent major releases, 
why not Jackflash current registration is only for 6 months, thinkdb 
is 1year and others alike, it makes good business sense IMHO

good apps like this one don't come everyday and as it gets better we 
become more and more dependant on them, wait and see when the desktop 
comes around at least to 2.5.1 standards how you're sales will 
increase, I'm sure of it, word of mouth goes a long way in sales, 
keep up the good work, IMO dbk5 and SP are the best PIM apps out there

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Steve Clarke wrote:
> 
> > At the risk of being a creep.
> > 
> > If we all take a step back šnd look at all the inexpensive 
software we 
> > use on palm devices which help makes us to be much more efficient 
in our 
> > professional lives and consider the value for money. I for one 
will have 
> > no problem in justifying paying £20.00 per year for a upgrade to 
shadow. 
> > It will have paid for itself within the first couple of  months.
> 
> 	Sadly, I'm a victom of conscience and good will; from the 
onset, I
> wished to provide not just good value (cheap software), but kille 
value
> (unlimited updates). Its a business mdoel that one can live with 
getting
> new customers (and given the Palm OS market is sufficiently large, 
this
> works). Being a man of honour means I don't take back on my word..
> 
> 	I am, however, tempted to be the jerk and make Shadow 3.0 
require
> an update fee and thereafter have subscriptions or the like. 
However, I
> can't say anything since Iv'e put zero thought towards it, and it 
sickens
> me to think about it ;)
> 
> 	Raising the price of the base uintis is also an option, 
withotu
> renigging on my prior words. (ie: Also, ocne can assume context.. 
if you
> purchased 2 years ago, you probabyl dont' mind paying a update fee, 
as
> I've obviously done my time in free updates over the years).
> 
> 	*shrug*
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7159

From: clieguy  <clieguy@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:12am
Subject: That's reasonable Re: Value for Money - was HandEra support

 
I certainly wouldn't mind paying an upgrade fee for 3.0. That is 
providing you get the desktop piece working good.

Lord knows Dataviz doesn't have a problem socking us with $30 upgrade 
fees for DocToGo.

I know you promised free upgrades in the beginning...but you have 
done so much to make SP fantastic, that I don't see a problem with an 
upgrade fee. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty in 
supporting and constantly improving SP.

Just MHO.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "jledesma28" <jledesma28@y...> wrote:
> its not far fetch to ask current user for a nominal upgrade fee ie. 
> $5.00 or something to receive SP 3.0 and subsequent major releases, 
> why not Jackflash current registration is only for 6 months, 
thinkdb 
> is 1year and others alike, it makes good business sense IMHO
> 
> good apps like this one don't come everyday and as it gets better 
we 
> become more and more dependant on them, wait and see when the 
desktop 
> comes around at least to 2.5.1 standards how you're sales will 
> increase, I'm sure of it, word of mouth goes a long way in sales, 
> keep up the good work, IMO dbk5 and SP are the best PIM apps out 
there
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Steve Clarke wrote:
> > 
> > > At the risk of being a creep.
> > > 
> > > If we all take a step back šnd look at all the inexpensive 
> software we 
> > > use on palm devices which help makes us to be much more 
efficient 
> in our 
> > > professional lives and consider the value for money. I for one 
> will have 
> > > no problem in justifying paying £20.00 per year for a upgrade 
to 
> shadow. 
> > > It will have paid for itself within the first couple of  months.
> > 
> > 	Sadly, I'm a victom of conscience and good will; from the 
> onset, I
> > wished to provide not just good value (cheap software), but kille 
> value
> > (unlimited updates). Its a business mdoel that one can live with 
> getting
> > new customers (and given the Palm OS market is sufficiently 
large, 
> this
> > works). Being a man of honour means I don't take back on my word..
> > 
> > 	I am, however, tempted to be the jerk and make Shadow 3.0 
> require
> > an update fee and thereafter have subscriptions or the like. 
> However, I
> > can't say anything since Iv'e put zero thought towards it, and it 
> sickens
> > me to think about it ;)
> > 
> > 	Raising the price of the base uintis is also an option, 
> withotu
> > renigging on my prior words. (ie: Also, ocne can assume context.. 
> if you
> > purchased 2 years ago, you probabyl dont' mind paying a update 
fee, 
> as
> > I've obviously done my time in free updates over the years).
> > 
> > 	*shrug*
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7160

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:24am
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

 
Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

Instead of setting a schedule, like
yearly, most people (I think) would
prefer to see a "pay for performance"
basis. So this is the way this poll is
structured, value per major upgrade.  It
would be up to Jeff what constitues a
"major" upgrade.
So... How much is SP worth to you?
 

  o $1.00 
  o $2.50 
  o $5.00 
  o $7.50 
  o $10.00 
  o $12.50 
  o $15.00 
  o $20.00 
  o $25.00 
  o $30.00 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/surveys?id=978949  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!
7161

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:34am
Subject: "Value of SP" Poll - from its creator

 
All,

Since Jeff would not take it upon himself to ask, I think we should
all volunteer the information for him.  To that end, I created a poll
to let Jeff know that Shadow Plan is worth a lot more than he's ever
asked anyone to pay.

Yearly subscriptions are a real drag since you never really know just
how much you'll get for your money.  So I'm assuming that most people
would want to pay for improvements.  Yes, this leaves us at Jeff's
mecry, but isn't that really the case anyway?  The poll is priced
according to "major" upgrade, and I, for one, am perfectly willing to
let Jeff define "major".

P.S. I did not include a $0 amount, because SP is either worth
something to you, or you ought to just delete it from your Palm right
now.

Ken
7162

From: blazekrick  <richard@r...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 7:26am
Subject: Re: "Value of SP" Poll - from its creator

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Ken Latham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
>  So I'm assuming that most people
> would want to pay for improvements.  

I, for one, am finding the idea of this poll most unclear. If we had 
a specific list of improvements to consider, then people could vote 
which ones matter to them and maybe how much each one is worth. But 
to ask in general how much the next version is worth, not knowing 
what is likely to be in it, is too abstract to be helpful.
Rick.
7163

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Re: Value for Money - was HandEra support

 
On the other hand, raising the "starting price" will tend to put people off 
buying and trying, while those who have bought at a low price and made good 
use of Shadow will be most likely to pay a subscription for upgrades and 
improvements

At 06:50 18/09/2002 +0000, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>Raising the price of the base uintis is also an option,

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M515 with OS v.4.1, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)
7164

From: Arnold DeRoy  <aderoy@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:01am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 642

 
On 18 Sep 2002 06:50:01 -0000, Jeff  M. wrote:

> I am, however, tempted to be the jerk and make Shadow 3.0 require an
> update fee and thereafter have subscriptions or the like. However, I can't
> say anything since Iv'e put zero thought towards it, and it sickens me to
> think about it ;)


Jeff, 

 I would not see this as a problem. I have been using Shadow too long and will not give it up.  It would be better in my view to pay an upgrade fee over the lost of a fine developer!

-- 
Do or Do not, There is no try - Master Yoda

Arnold DeRoy, aderoy@m... on 09/18/2002
7165

From: Malcolm Campbell  <malcolmc@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:43am
Subject: Re: That's reasonable Re: Value for Money - was HandEra support

 
I cant remember which one, but one Palm app offered free upgrades, but asked
people to support development by paying a voluntary upgrade fee if they
wanted to.. I think it worked quite well for them, I'd do this, certainly.
2.5 was enough of an upgrade that I'd have paid for it again.

--- Malcolm
7166

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Poll results for shadow-discuss

 
The following shadow-discuss poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: In the date picker pop-up menu, the 
current options are: No Date, 
Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow, +1 week, 
and Choose Date. Which of the following 
options would you like added to the pop-
up list? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Day after tomorrow, 32 votes, 17.11%  
- This Friday, 33 votes, 17.65%  
- Next Monday, 53 votes, 28.34%  
- Start of next month, 40 votes, 21.39%  
- The specific three days after "tomorrow"; i.e. Today's Tuesday, so options would be Thursday, Friday and Saturday in the list., 26 votes, 13.90%  
- No change to current list, 3 votes, 1.60%  



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7167

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Poll results for shadow-discuss

 
The following shadow-discuss poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: If both Desktop and Handheld Shadows 
had the same functionality, which one 
do you think you would do most of your 
work on ? (i.e. creating lists, adding 
items (planning stage), reading lists, 
checking off items (implementation 
stage) 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm away from PC, 20 votes, 27.40%  
- Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only, 24 votes, 32.88%  
- New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work will be done on DT, 19 votes, 26.03%  
- I don't know yet, 10 votes, 13.70%  



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7168

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 0:24pm
Subject: Help test my potential new website

 
I just sent this out to the alpha group, but in the spirit of
hammering my upcoming website, I wanted to get you all to give it a good
woopin'..

	I'm imagining that I'll promote the new site come Monday give or
take, if no one objects..

	See here: http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/

		jeff

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Mitchell <skeezix@s...>
Subject: [Shadow-test] Alpha test new site? :)


	Before I promote the new site over top of the current site, I
wanted to let you guys beat it up a little. If we can get everyone to give
it a whorl, it'll be another thing crossed off my important todo list so I
can get on with things :)

	If you have any problems or annoyances or observations, let me
know your OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. (For instance, I
test everything with IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer (er, I forget which
version), and various others.

	I'm hoping some of you have older browsers like in the Netscape or
IE 3.x range or older :) I'll try Lynx (a text only browser for slow
connections or the visually impaired, etc).

	http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/

	Let me know what you think. I  think all the links should work
despite my trickery to avoid it killing my production site :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

_______________________________________________
Shadow-test mailing list
Shadow-test@s...
http://shadow.skeleton.org/mailman/listinfo/shadow-test
7169

From: igglet_  <abhudgens@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 0:57pm
Subject: Re: "Value of SP" Poll - from its creator

 
I'm confused.  I think I probably missed some history, but I'm on the 
5-minute-a-day board budget for the next couple weeks with a *huge* 
16+/7 project (my lame way of saying ain't no time to hit the 
archives).  

The issue as I understand it is whether Shadow updates would no 
longer be free for life?  If I misunderstand, you can quickly delete 
the rest of this.  Ditto if I repeat from the archive (but please 
point me to that post so I can catch up)! 

Charging for upgrades is clearly Jeff's prerogative to decide.  I 
opted for Shadow largely on it's free-upgrades-for-life premise.  I'm 
not a power user, so I can only speak for those of us in that 
category.  Jeff is legendary on the boards for his responsiveness, so 
I'm not trying to slam him at all.  That said, in my read of the 
reviews, it seemed that (for the non-power user, again like me), the 
main distinction between Shadow and, e.g., Bonsai was probably that 
Bonsai suggested it would charge for upgrades (or at least reserved 
that right) while Shadow took the opposite stance.  Honestly, I 
didn't even try Bonsai on that account.  Charging for upgrades will 
(as I'm sure Jeff is aware) require that tricky balance of trying to 
distinguish itself, keep current users (when the costs to switch are 
low b/c of import/export capability), etc.

My 2-cents.



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "blazekrick" <richard@r...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Ken Latham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> >  So I'm assuming that most people
> > would want to pay for improvements.  
> 
> I, for one, am finding the idea of this poll most unclear. If we 
had 
> a specific list of improvements to consider, then people could vote 
> which ones matter to them and maybe how much each one is worth. But 
> to ask in general how much the next version is worth, not knowing 
> what is likely to be in it, is too abstract to be helpful.
> Rick.
7170

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:38pm
Subject: Awesome Jeff, definitely an improvement Re: Help test my potential new website

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I just sent this out to the alpha group, but in the spirit of
> hammering my upcoming website, I wanted to get you all to give it a 
good
> woopin'..
> 
> 	I'm imagining that I'll promote the new site come Monday give 
or
> take, if no one objects..
> 
> 	See here: http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeff Mitchell <skeezix@s...>
> Subject: [Shadow-test] Alpha test new site? :)
> 
> 
> 	Before I promote the new site over top of the current site, I
> wanted to let you guys beat it up a little. If we can get everyone 
to give
> it a whorl, it'll be another thing crossed off my important todo 
list so I
> can get on with things :)
> 
> 	If you have any problems or annoyances or observations, let me
> know your OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. (For 
instance, I
> test everything with IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer (er, I forget 
which
> version), and various others.
> 
> 	I'm hoping some of you have older browsers like in the 
Netscape or
> IE 3.x range or older :) I'll try Lynx (a text only browser for slow
> connections or the visually impaired, etc).
> 
> 	http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/
> 
> 	Let me know what you think. I  think all the links should work
> despite my trickery to avoid it killing my production site :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Shadow-test mailing list
> Shadow-test@s...
> http://shadow.skeleton.org/mailman/listinfo/shadow-test
7171

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
Jeff,
I don't find a link to the shadow-test directory of alphas for those 
of us that like to live on the edge. Myabe that change is intentional?
Paul
7172

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:00pm
Subject: RE: Help test my potential new website

 
The new site is loads better!!  Just a bit of critique:

On the home page, the desktop screen shot is so small as to be
unreadable & very strange looking. Can you make that just a bit bigger
so people can tell what it is?

This is part of the info about the shadow-tips forum, but it's a little
strangely worded:
"Comments about features or bugs or other chit chat will be removed by
the moderator to keep this forum a useful minimal place where everything
is useful to Shadow Plan users."

How about something like "Comments about features, bugs, or other chit
chat will be removed by the moderator, as this forum is devoted to
useful tips for all Shadow Plan users."

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:25 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Help test my potential new website


	I just sent this out to the alpha group, but in the spirit of
hammering my upcoming website, I wanted to get you all to give it a good
woopin'..

	I'm imagining that I'll promote the new site come Monday give or
take, if no one objects..

	See here: http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/

		jeff
7173

From: igglet_  <abhudgens@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
Jeff,

The site looks nifty enough.  As a marketing and contracting guy, my 
comments are from another standpoint.  

If there's *any* truth at all to the poll about charging for future 
updates (if you're even thinking about the idea), I'd strongly 
recommend you do two things immediately:
   
     1.  Change your alpha site (and current site) to delete any 
reference to free updates...ethical/marketing/PR/(and even legal) 
risks involved.

     2.  Do the same on the automated documentation that accompanies 
orders.  It also references free updates for life...same rationale.  

On the other hand, if there's no truth to the poll, I'd recommend 
squelching it fast on marketing/PR grounds.

I'd actually focus more on the marketing/PR risk initially.  Then 
again, now that there's talk of any kind in a semi-official Shadow 
domain (this board), there's probably a due diligence requirement to 
let future buyers know that "free" might not be "free".  

FWIW.  

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I just sent this out to the alpha group, but in the spirit of
> hammering my upcoming website, I wanted to get you all to give it a 
good
> woopin'..
> 
> 	I'm imagining that I'll promote the new site come Monday give 
or
> take, if no one objects..
> 
> 	See here: http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeff Mitchell <skeezix@s...>
> Subject: [Shadow-test] Alpha test new site? :)
> 
> 
> 	Before I promote the new site over top of the current site, I
> wanted to let you guys beat it up a little. If we can get everyone 
to give
> it a whorl, it'll be another thing crossed off my important todo 
list so I
> can get on with things :)
> 
> 	If you have any problems or annoyances or observations, let me
> know your OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. (For 
instance, I
> test everything with IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer (er, I forget 
which
> version), and various others.
> 
> 	I'm hoping some of you have older browsers like in the 
Netscape or
> IE 3.x range or older :) I'll try Lynx (a text only browser for slow
> connections or the visually impaired, etc).
> 
> 	http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/
> 
> 	Let me know what you think. I  think all the links should work
> despite my trickery to avoid it killing my production site :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Shadow-test mailing list
> Shadow-test@s...
> http://shadow.skeleton.org/mailman/listinfo/shadow-test
7174

From: Chris Dent  <cdent@b...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:36pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> 	If you have any problems or annoyances or observations, let me
> know your OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. (For instance, I
> test everything with IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer (er, I forget which
> version), and various others.

That blue you are using, on a black blackground, is something a strain
to read. At least it is in Mozilla when I'm getting a serifed font.

My experience had been that any serifed font on a black background is
hard to use.

Overall architecture seems sensible.


-- 
Chris Dent  <cdent@b...>  http://www.burningchrome.com/~cdent/
"If you assume that there is an instinct for freedom, that there are
opportunities to change things, that hope is possible, then hope may be
justified, and a better world may be built. That's your choice." N.Chomsky
7175

From: Heather Young  <heatheryou@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
Very nice job!
Heather
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:24 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Help test my potential new website



        I just sent this out to the alpha group, but in the spirit of
  hammering my upcoming website, I wanted to get you all to give it a good
  woopin'..

        I'm imagining that I'll promote the new site come Monday give or
  take, if no one objects..

        See here: http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/

              jeff

  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
  From: Jeff Mitchell <skeezix@s...>
  Subject: [Shadow-test] Alpha test new site? :)


        Before I promote the new site over top of the current site, I
  wanted to let you guys beat it up a little. If we can get everyone to give
  it a whorl, it'll be another thing crossed off my important todo list so I
  can get on with things :)

        If you have any problems or annoyances or observations, let me
  know your OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. (For instance, I
  test everything with IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer (er, I forget which
  version), and various others.

        I'm hoping some of you have older browsers like in the Netscape or
  IE 3.x range or older :) I'll try Lynx (a text only browser for slow
  connections or the visually impaired, etc).

        http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/

        Let me know what you think. I  think all the links should work
  despite my trickery to avoid it killing my production site :)

              jeff

  --
  "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
  circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
  -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

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7176

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I don't find a link to the shadow-test directory of alphas for those 
> of us that like to live on the edge. Myabe that change is intentional?

	Sharp eye ;)

	I'ev been debating it; really, I think people interested in alphas
shoudl be following shadow-test so they know what they're getting
into. The path where I drop alphas and such won't change, so if you
bookmarked it or remember it you're good. I'm just thinking o not
documenting it on the site, so newbies don't fall into it ;)

	Opinion: Should links to the alha directory stay on the site, or
should folks go by the alpha announcement emails in shadow-test?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7177

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: RE: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> The new site is loads better!!  Just a bit of critique:

	You like? :)

> On the home page, the desktop screen shot is so small as to be
> unreadable & very strange looking. Can you make that just a bit bigger
> so people can tell what it is?

	You can zoom it by clicking on it (its a thumbnail).

> This is part of the info about the shadow-tips forum, but it's a little
> strangely worded:
> "Comments about features or bugs or other chit chat will be removed by
> the moderator to keep this forum a useful minimal place where everything
> is useful to Shadow Plan users."

	OKay. I'll edit that.. its a bit rediculous isn't it? (most of the
new site's content is lifted from the oldsite.. and not enough coffee in
the world for that one ;)

> How about something like "Comments about features, bugs, or other chit
> chat will be removed by the moderator, as this forum is devoted to
> useful tips for all Shadow Plan users."

	OKay. Check it in a couple of minutes ;) (I swiped your
suggestions verbatim)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7178

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, igglet_ wrote:

> The site looks nifty enough.  As a marketing and contracting guy, my 
> comments are from another standpoint.  
> 
> If there's *any* truth at all to the poll about charging for future 
> updates (if you're even thinking about the idea), I'd strongly 
> recommend you do two things immediately:

	I'm not thinking about it too seriously. Its just one of those
things people keep suggesting, and I keep going "naaaah", as it would be
dishonourable, and really, I don't like that practice. I hate keeping
track of software subscriptions myself ;) I run a tight ship and keep
costs down.. I reserve the right to raise the price at any time, but I've
gotten by so far.

>      1.  Change your alpha site (and current site) to delete any 
> reference to free updates...ethical/marketing/PR/(and even legal) 
> risks involved.

	If I ever did chage, then it would be for ongoing registrations
anyway, not for existing registrations. If technically feasible.

>      2.  Do the same on the automated documentation that accompanies 
> orders.  It also references free updates for life...same rationale.  

	yep.

	I'm more likely to, if I must, build modules and sell them as
plugins. For huge biggy features that people may not want, but others
would, I could sell them as $5 plugs.. drop them into your handheld, and
suddenly it can do more. That way people buy a la carte what they want,
pick and choose.. less bloat, no need to change my existing documentation
or belief standards.

> On the other hand, if there's no truth to the poll, I'd recommend 
> squelching it fast on marketing/PR grounds.

	I didn't make the poll.

> I'd actually focus more on the marketing/PR risk initially.  Then
> again, now that there's talk of any kind in a semi-official Shadow
> domain (this board), there's probably a due diligence requirement to
> let future buyers know that "free" might not be "free".

	Nothing has changed. I'm as committed now as I always have
been. Were it a small market, I'd be speakign differently, but when the
PDA market is growing as it is, I'm hoping to rely on new users to keep me
going. I believe strongly that software shoudl be good and cheap.. Shadow
would be free if I could afford it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7179

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Chris Dent wrote:

> > 	If you have any problems or annoyances or observations, let me
> > know your OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. (For instance, I
> > test everything with IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.0, Konquerer (er, I forget which
> > version), and various others.
> 
> That blue you are using, on a black blackground, is something a strain
> to read. At least it is in Mozilla when I'm getting a serifed font.
> 
> My experience had been that any serifed font on a black background is
> hard to use.

	For most of the site it uses your browsers default font (which
could be Times or other). On my system, my browser uses a
helvetica/arial-like font. I have been tempted to override the font to be
like the title font (top of each page), but I hate controlling fonts
much and theres already too much of that in the site ;)

> Overall architecture seems sensible.

	For me, I wanted to get rid of the two-tier-menu steructure.. no
clicking on Shadow to get into the Shadow Plan section. Its uot flagship
(and "only") product, so might as well keep things simlpe. Also, the
entire site is "generated" from templates and such now, so it is much
easier to keep a consistent look and feel and make updates. So it is much
nicer for me.

	I just hope it looks sharp :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7180

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:27pm
Subject: RE: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
I figure if they're not smart enough to sign up for the test list, they
shouldn't be alpha testing.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 

	Opinion: Should links to the alha directory stay on the site, or
should folks go by the alpha announcement emails in shadow-test?

		jeff
7181

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:30pm
Subject: RE: Help test my potential new website

 
>You can zoom it by clicking on it (its a thumbnail).

I know, but without a caption it looks pretty strange sitting next to
the screenshots from the handheld side.  Just IMHO though, so feel free
to ignore me!

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
7182

From: igglet_  <abhudgens@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
Jeff,

Good answers...thanks for your prompt response.  The downside of my 
job is I've found I've trained myself to think in terms of 
ramifications of things that often seem pretty remote to any rational 
person.  I'm glad you were several steps ahead of me. ;)

Shadow is fantastic.  Keep up the great work.

Best,
Bryan 


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff 
Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, igglet_ wrote:
> 
> > The site looks nifty enough.  As a marketing and contracting guy, 
my 
> > comments are from another standpoint.  
> > 
> > If there's *any* truth at all to the poll about charging for 
future 
> > updates (if you're even thinking about the idea), I'd strongly 
> > recommend you do two things immediately:
> 
> 	I'm not thinking about it too seriously. Its just one of those
> things people keep suggesting, and I keep going "naaaah", as it 
would be
> dishonourable, and really, I don't like that practice. I hate 
keeping
> track of software subscriptions myself ;) I run a tight ship and 
keep
> costs down.. I reserve the right to raise the price at any time, 
but I've
> gotten by so far.
> 
> >      1.  Change your alpha site (and current site) to delete any 
> > reference to free updates...ethical/marketing/PR/(and even legal) 
> > risks involved.
> 
> 	If I ever did chage, then it would be for ongoing 
registrations
> anyway, not for existing registrations. If technically feasible.
> 
> >      2.  Do the same on the automated documentation that 
accompanies 
> > orders.  It also references free updates for life...same 
rationale.  
> 
> 	yep.
> 
> 	I'm more likely to, if I must, build modules and sell them as
> plugins. For huge biggy features that people may not want, but 
others
> would, I could sell them as $5 plugs.. drop them into your 
handheld, and
> suddenly it can do more. That way people buy a la carte what they 
want,
> pick and choose.. less bloat, no need to change my existing 
documentation
> or belief standards.
> 
> > On the other hand, if there's no truth to the poll, I'd recommend 
> > squelching it fast on marketing/PR grounds.
> 
> 	I didn't make the poll.
> 
> > I'd actually focus more on the marketing/PR risk initially.  Then
> > again, now that there's talk of any kind in a semi-official Shadow
> > domain (this board), there's probably a due diligence requirement 
to
> > let future buyers know that "free" might not be "free".
> 
> 	Nothing has changed. I'm as committed now as I always have
> been. Were it a small market, I'd be speakign differently, but when 
the
> PDA market is growing as it is, I'm hoping to rely on new users to 
keep me
> going. I believe strongly that software shoudl be good and cheap.. 
Shadow
> would be free if I could afford it.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7183

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 8:41pm
Subject: RE: Help test my potential new website

 
Jen said:

Just IMHO though, so feel free to ignore me!
__________

Don't do it Jeff, I would think it's a very bad idea to ignore a goddess :P
7184

From: Timothy Woerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
Jeff, new website looks good... very commercial.  

Btw, having been sleeping under a rock for centuries, I just stumbled 
on the story lines of shadow jedi's.  I assume that is the roots of 
your product  and company name, and the motif of the (soon to be) old 
website.  If true, does it make sense to include a small background 
on the website and tie it into the product features?

Tim
7185

From: Timothy Woerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:47pm
Subject: Desktop improvement needed

 
Jeff,  I could a desktop feature which would allow me to print a list 
as it is seen on the screen (or allow me to "select all" and copy to 
Word).  The extra information (dates in boxes, priorities) makes the 
desktop relatively useless for me (it only makes sense to do editing 
and using the newer features on the Palm)

Tim
7186

From: Betsy Grimm  <b-grimm@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:45pm
Subject: RE: Help test my potential new website

 
Jeff -

I found the white printing on stark black to be VERY hard on my eyes. Gotta
admit, they're pretty tired already.

Betsy
7187

From: Steven Whatley  <swhatley@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:14am
Subject: Ugrading to Shadow Desktop

 
Hi Jeff,

I purchased Shadow Plan before Shadow Plan Desktop was availible.  How do 
I go about upgrading from Shadow Plan to Shadow Plan + Desktop?  Is there 
a link at PalmGear where I can just buy the Desktop part?

Thanks,
Steven
-- 
                     ___     ____________     
Steven Whatley  <<<((__O\   (__<>___<>__ \   ____     Don't get rattled by 
swhatley@h...    \ \_(__<>___<>__)\O\_/O___>-<  what I say.  It's just
                        \O__<>___<>___<>)\___/        my opinion.
7188

From: wa2zeg  <johnrieley@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:07am
Subject: Global filtering needed.

 
In reading some archives, and as a new user, I must say SP
is powerful but can be labor intensive. Tags are global, but
filtering is local (to a file).  So if I have a ToDo category
with two lists (ToDo-Home and ToDo-work), and tag items in both
lists as "due today", I must do two separate filtering actions,
viewing the results separately. I ought to be able to do one
filtering over both lists and view results on one screen.
I read that PalmOS is limited. Are my facts right? Thanks.

John Rieley
7189

From: John Rieley  <johnrieley@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:13am
Subject: Re: Ugrading to Shadow Desktop

 
Steven Whatley wrote:
> 
> I purchased Shadow Plan before Shadow Plan Desktop was
> availible.  How do I go about upgrading from Shadow Plan to Shadow Plan +
> Desktop? 

Goto
	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/register.html

John Rieley
7190

From: Peggy Darling  <peggy_darling@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 2:30am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 642

 
>Message: 6
>    Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Subject: Re: Value for Money
>
>On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Steve Clarke wrote:
>
> > At the risk of being a creep.
> >
> > If we all take a step back šnd look at all the inexpensive software we
> > use on palm devices which help makes us to be much more efficient in our
> > professional lives and consider the value for money. I for one will have
> > no problem in justifying paying £20.00 per year for a upgrade to shadow.
> > It will have paid for itself within the first couple of  months.
>
>         Sadly, I'm a victom of conscience and good will; from the onset, I
>wished to provide not just good value (cheap software), but kille value
>(unlimited updates). Its a business mdoel that one can live with getting
>new customers (and given the Palm OS market is sufficiently large, this
>works). Being a man of honour means I don't take back on my word..
>
>         I am, however, tempted to be the jerk and make Shadow 3.0 require
>an update fee and thereafter have subscriptions or the like. However, I
>can't say anything since Iv'e put zero thought towards it, and it sickens
>me to think about it ;)
>
>         Raising the price of the base uintis is also an option, withotu
>renigging on my prior words. (ie: Also, ocne can assume context.. if you
>purchased 2 years ago, you probabyl dont' mind paying a update fee, as
>I've obviously done my time in free updates over the years).
>
>         *shrug*
>
>                 jeff


If you want to change the rules (or offers you began with), you can still 
justify your conscience and continue to be "a man of your word" . . . :

  Why not give out new registration codes that differentiate the time of 
the new rules ( for increased cost up front, upgrade fees, subscriptions, 
whatever . . .)  The OLD registration codes would let you know  who your 
users are who have been with you throughout---  well, you could just 
"grandmother and grandfather" them in with your original offer (of lifetime 
free upgrades).  This seems fair to me, yet allows the option for you to 
make adjustments to new customers whenever the times dictate.  What do you 
think?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
7191

From: McMug  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:07am
Subject: Re: Desktop improvement needed

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Timothy Woerner" <TEWoerner@m...> wrote:
> a desktop feature which would allow me to print a list 
> as it is seen on the screen 
> The extra information (dates in boxes, priorities) makes the 
> desktop relatively useless for me 

Use XSLT to customize the look to exactly what you want to see. See 
the file I posted (in Files section) for an example.
7192

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:20am
Subject: Re: "Value of SP" Poll - from its creator

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "blazekrick" <richard@r...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Ken Latham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> >  So I'm assuming that most people
> > would want to pay for improvements.  
> 
> I, for one, am finding the idea of this poll most unclear. If we
had 
> a specific list of improvements to consider, then people could vote 
> which ones matter to them and maybe how much each one is worth. But 
> to ask in general how much the next version is worth, not knowing 
> what is likely to be in it, is too abstract to be helpful.
> Rick.

The poll does not apply to any particular set of updates. Most of the
charged updates I get are simply declared by the producer at what are
roughly evenly divided numbers of added features.  Therefore value of
the added features is assumed to be roughly equal from major upgrade
to major upgrade.  We're not talking about spurious declarations of
upgrade charges ... I just know that Jeff would *never* do that.  His
angst over even charging in the first place shows that.

I was hoping we could give him a "what the market would bear" figure
to aid in his decision.  That is, *if* he even decides to charge for
upgrades.  I know Jeff would be more than fair.  But to tell you the
truth, I'm beginning to feel *guilty* accepting all these updates from
him without ever paying another cent.  I just doesn't feel right to
me.

Quite frankly, I don't want Jeff to have to quit supporting this
product because of his guilt over having to charge for it.  The
support is worth real money to me, and I think it is to most people.
 Hence the poll.

Ken
7193

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:25am
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...> wrote:
> I figure if they're not smart enough to sign up for the test list,
they
> shouldn't be alpha testing.
> 
> Jen
> 

I'd second that one.  Just a reference to where to sign up should be
sufficient.  Anyone that dives head first into alpha testing, couldn't
possibly give any decent feedback. :S

Ken
7194

From: Ken Latham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:33am
Subject: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, igglet_ wrote:
> 
> > The site looks nifty enough.  As a marketing and contracting guy,
my 
> > comments are from another standpoint.  
> > 
> > If there's *any* truth at all to the poll about charging for
future 
> > updates (if you're even thinking about the idea), I'd strongly 
> > recommend you do two things immediately:
> 
> 	I'm not thinking about it too seriously. Its just one of those
> things people keep suggesting, and I keep going "naaaah", as it
would be
> dishonourable, and really, I don't like that practice. I hate
keeping
> track of software subscriptions myself ;) I run a tight ship and
keep
> costs down.. I reserve the right to raise the price at any time, but
I've
> gotten by so far.
> 
<snip>

Jeff,

Would you rather I trash the poll?

My intent was to ensure that you knew just how much this software is
really worth to us "out here".  I had some misgivings about
over-emphasizing the added cost without your explicit permission, so I
guess I'm asking after-the-fact.  Do you think I'm harming customer
relations?

Ken
7195

From: mhdickens  <mkdickens@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:11pm
Subject: Lists that cannot be deleted from HH..

 
Shadow Plan 2.5.0 (Desktop 1.1.0), Palm M105 (OS 3.5.2).

I started with a functioning list in sync on HH and desktop.

After editing a list in the Shadow desktop app and a subsequent
hotsync the list on my handheld the following Bad Load! message
appears when I try to load the list: "The list could not be loaded!"

On trying to delete this list from HH the file cannot be deleted. I
have tried every combination of Delete Links and Purge Shadow note
origin information options.

Does anyone know HOW I can delete this file ? Can I overwrite it somehow ?

FWIW the only thing that I can think that may have been suspect in the
desktop editing was to create an item and also delete it before the
hotsync.

Mark
7196

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Timothy Woerner wrote:

> Jeff, new website looks good... very commercial.  
> 
> Btw, having been sleeping under a rock for centuries, I just stumbled 
> on the story lines of shadow jedi's.  I assume that is the roots of 
> your product  and company name, and the motif of the (soon to be) old 
> website.  If true, does it make sense to include a small background 
> on the website and tie it into the product features?

	Shadow Jedi's? Never heard of such a thing. Some sort of evil Jedi
in Star Wars universe?

	The history is much less interesting than you think ;)  I
considered originally naming Shadow "Palm Plan" and various other things,
but none of the names had a sense of fun and also a sense of utility. Palm
Plan would've been good, except I figured Palm could take issue with it,
and some sites don't like to publish applications featuring company names
embedded within...

	Eventually I settled on "Shadow Plan"; two reasons.. "the Shadow
knows" is a cool old phrase from a cool old show, and I liked the
connotation of your Shadow always being there (well okay, given a light
source). But the idea of a simple cast Shadow seems coo. Also, its sort of
fun.. we coudl play with logos, or have fun motifs... and people like to
have fun names to play with. And it has "Plan" in the title so folks have
some idea what it coudl be, after just having heard the name.

	See, I firmyl believe you have to have a little fun. You can't
name your LAN servers "b671xxy" right.. when you can name then
"Spiderman" or "Hello", "Konichewa", etc.

	Codejedi came around after a night of needing new domain
names. ORiginally I just dumped Shadow onto one of my personal webpages,
but then we grew really fast so I wanted to move to its own domain. My
other domains were just goofy for-self ones and didn't apply well (I liked
Lion King so had www.priderock.ca for instance, to use for my family
(never did do it). But a .ca is less visible to the rest of the world
(sadly)..)

	After all sorts of this and that cool names, I settled on
"codejedi" for all sorts of reasons. (I like the word Dejedi for one,
which was a character name I used in a game ages past).. but Code Jedi is
a neat phrase that again is a little fun, but the geekier types will go
"cool!" (hopefully). Why not?

	Theres more to it of course, but really.. I can't just pick plain
vanilla names. If your'e going to do something, do it with a little flair,
right?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7197

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:20pm
Subject: RE: Help test my potential new website

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Betsy Grimm wrote:

> I found the white printing on stark black to be VERY hard on my eyes. Gotta
> admit, they're pretty tired already.

	yeah, I may change that later. Most sites are black on white which
is no better, so I'm not too concerned, but I wanted a dark background to
get a sharper look and keep tiebacks to the current site. Butchosing a
foreground is rough.. you'll notice some pages use some gray on black as
an experiment..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7198

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:21pm
Subject: Re: Desktop improvement needed

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Timothy Woerner wrote:

> Jeff,  I could a desktop feature which would allow me to print a list 
> as it is seen on the screen (or allow me to "select all" and copy to 
> Word).  The extra information (dates in boxes, priorities) makes the 
> desktop relatively useless for me (it only makes sense to do editing 
> and using the newer features on the Palm)

	I intend on having a few print options.. different templates for
the printing of records.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7199

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: Re: Ugrading to Shadow Desktop

 
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Steven Whatley wrote:

> I purchased Shadow Plan before Shadow Plan Desktop was availible.  
> How do I go about upgrading from Shadow Plan to Shadow Plan + Desktop?  
> Is there a link at PalmGear where I can just buy the Desktop part?

	The Expansion Pack, yeah. And if you can buy it from my
webstore instead:

http://www.codejedi.com/newsite/register.html

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
7200

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 19, 2002 0:25pm
Subject: Re: Global filtering needed.

 
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, wa2zeg wrote:

> In reading some archives, and as a new user, I must say SP is powerful
> but can be labor intensive. Tags are global, but filtering is local
> (to a file).  So if I have a ToDo category with two lists (ToDo-Home
> and ToDo-work), and tag items in both lists as "due today", I must do
> two separate filtering actions, viewing the results separately. I
> ought to be able to do one filtering over both lists and view results
> on one screen. I read that PalmOS is limited. Are my facts right?

	Palm OS is not "limited", but the hadrware is (currently). One
must not consider 2 files, one must consider "a bunch of files". We get
very limited runtime memory, and scanning thousands of items in a dozen or
100 lists would be really rough. The desktop is much better suited, so
we'll see there.

	A workaround (for flattening across lists) is to link items from
your Shadow ToDo lists to the real built in ToDo list. Since there is only
one built in todo list, all items linked from all Shadow todo lists show
up in the one built in ToDo list. As items become interesting or
actionable, I do this. Then I flip to my ToDo app to see all the
interesting items from all my Shadow lists. Shadow puts a note on them so
you can see they came from Shadow, which list, and what hierarchy above
them, if you enable this option. You can also use some Hacks to jump back
to Shadow from the ToDo (or other) application.. quite handy really.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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