From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 8:03am
Subject: Re: font selection: list and notes

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, mcmug1997 wrote:
> 
> > I found that the font selection only apply to the list. The 
Details 
> > and Notes screen uses a font I cannot control. I choose the tall 
font 
> > (out of the 4 choices) and only the list is showing the tall 
font. 
> > Both Details and Notes are displayed in the normal font.
> 
> 	Using FontHack will let you control those. Those are "standard
> Palm Fields", and are controlled by the system. FontHack lets you 
> trick the system.

I don't quite follow your suggestion. I am using font hack to 
substitue the 4 basic fonts (std, bold, large, large bold). In SP, I 
can choose one of these 4 fonts for the list. However, it seems the 
Details and Notes editing screen always use std, irrespective of the 
preference setting (on the second page of SP preference).

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 8:12am
Subject: Re: bonsai <=> shadow <=> brainforest <=> memopad

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	One of these days I'll just put out a PDB<->XML commandline 
tool
> for OSX, so peopel can do some XML silliness :)

you mean my stupid upload I suppose.

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 0:37pm
Subject: Question about file management

I have a question about something that has probably been discussed but I 
don't know the term for the operation.

How can I have a set of files with subsets?  For example, I'd like a 
"writing" file with individual files for each article and book I'm working 
on.  Since I've never used this kind of program, I'm thrown off by seeing a 
list of all files, rather than files nested (like on a Mac desktop.)

Is this a matter of giving each file a category, like "writing", then 
starting a new list for individual projects, like "From Burned Out to Fired 
Up" and "Smart Women, Foolish Choices"?

Then would I have a master list "Writing Master List" with the title of each 
project listed, and linked to the individual files "From Burned Out to Fired 
Up" and "Smart Women, Foolish Choices"?

It's a matter of getting my mind used to the way Shadow is organized, and 
then getting used to how to use terms like Tags, Categories, etc.  They're 
still running together a bit.  I'll go back to the manual today and try to 
get clear on the difference between Tags and Categories.

Thanks for any help!
Leslie Godwin

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: font selection: list and notes

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, mcmug1997 wrote:

> > 	Using FontHack will let you control those. Those are "standard
> > Palm Fields", and are controlled by the system. FontHack lets you 
> > trick the system.
> 
> I don't quite follow your suggestion. I am using font hack to 
> substitue the 4 basic fonts (std, bold, large, large bold). In SP, I 
> can choose one of these 4 fonts for the list. However, it seems the 
> Details and Notes editing screen always use std, irrespective of the 
> preference setting (on the second page of SP preference).

	OKay; Making assumptions about how FontHack works, I'd assume
this: FontHack lets you change the system defaults on a per application
basis and probably changes the results of a font-fetching. You can
substitute fonts, and those will effect *system dialogs* (including the
Details and Notes and such) and application requested font choices.
Shadows own preference system is used to select display fonts for the main
list view, so make sure you've got Shadow selexting a font that you've
substituted. I have used fonthack in the past and was able to change the
"standard font" and shadow would adopt it, for the display, provided
Shadow was set to use the Standard font as well. (ie: FontHack probably
works at the font-request level, so if you'ev told Shadow to use the
normal font (the default), and then told FontHack to take over the normal
font and replace with another, it should work).

	So make sure Shadow is set to the normal font, and then FontHack
should take it over. If you've set Shadow to use the Large Font, then
you'd substitute the Large Font to effect the display. To effect the
Details and Note window, you'd use the Normal Standard Palm Font
substituted..

	If your'e using a Clie, make sure you're using the correct
FontHack and make sure to read the docs very carefully :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Question about file management

Leslie,

I don't use categories at all for my SP files, because I rarely use the
file list. In your case my suggestion would be to maybe have categories
based on how you break things up, ie; one for articles and one for books. I
would suggest making up your own "table of contents" list for your
writings. That way you can "nest" things the way you like, and use file
links to jump to the appropriate file. If you search the message archive
for "TOC" you'll see quite a few discussions on this topic. Hope this
helps. If you have any questions about TOC's, tags or categories, feel free
to fire away.

Scott

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 1:12pm
Subject: re. file management

Thanks for the encouragement, Jeff.

Scott, great suggestion...I will check TOC tips.  I hadn't thought that was 
what I was trying to do, so I appreciate you giving me a title for it so I 
can learn more.

I'm sure I'll have more questions soon...Shadow is so flexible that I feel I 
need to learn how to do stuff before I have a use for it, in addition to 
practical tasks to organize my projects.

Leslie

From: dnobull  <david@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:18pm
Subject: Links

I've been a Shadow user approaching 2 years now. What an incredible 
program! Thanks Jeff!! Got a problem now though, My datebook links no 
longer work. Tap on the link arrow, tap on my link, screen blinks and 
I'm right back at the same screen. Any suggestions? I am using the 
currant alpha 2.56a; however this problem started while using 2.5
My pda is a Visor Prism.

Thanks,
David

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:28pm
Subject: Re: Question about file management

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> I have a question about something that has probably been discussed but I 
> don't know the term for the operation.
> 
> How can I have a set of files with subsets?  For example, I'd like a
> "writing" file with individual files for each article and book I'm
> working on.  Since I've never used this kind of program, I'm thrown
> off by seeing a list of all files, rather than files nested (like on a
> Mac desktop.)

	Its up to you how you organize; yuo can use one big file, with all
your content in it, organized by parent/child (collapsed/expanded) views.
Or you can use lots of files, with links back and forth). There are
advantages to both. Remember that the file listing is sorted by category,
so in effect it is just liek your Mac desktop, except only one level
deep...

	Shadow contains categories,
	Categories contain Files,
	Files contain Items,
	Items can contain other items (as deep as you like)
	...

> Is this a matter of giving each file a category, like "writing", then
> starting a new list for individual projects, like "From Burned Out to
> Fired Up" and "Smart Women, Foolish Choices"?

	Up to you. I keep a separate file for each major "thing"; I keep a
coupel dozen work projects in one file, and some projects are so large
they get their own file. Inside of a file I have usuall 3 or 4 levels
deep, but yuo can go as deep as you need. I also link the files back and
forth so I can jump between files in an organized fashion. 

	Some people like to keep onyl one or two large Shadow files, and
keep everything ni them, so they never really leave a file.. just
different items on the top level of that file.

> It's a matter of getting my mind used to the way Shadow is organized,
> and then getting used to how to use terms like Tags, Categories, etc.  
> They're still running together a bit.  I'll go back to the manual
> today and try to get clear on the difference between Tags and
> Categories.

	Items can contain other items (their children). You can collapse
an item to hide its children, or expand it to reveal them. (And those
contained items can in turn be collapsed or expanded).

	In Shadow files have categories. Within a file, they do not have
categories (since categories are too limiting). Instead, we use Tags. A
tag is like a category, except you acn have thousands of them, and
multiple per item, and yuo can categorize tags (since you can have so many
of them).

	How you keep organized is up to your personal system (which
emerges as you experiment). I keep major categories for things by ..
type/topic. So I keep a "ToDo" category which has files like "ToDo - Work"
and "ToDo - Home".. contexts. Inside of those I have long lists of items,
and within those items I have notes, next actions, etc. Those notes,
action items, etc, I use Tags to tie to various meta-data that I can query
on.

	I'd elaborate more, but I'm on the way ou right now.. but if you
check back to recfent discussions or search the archives, you'll find
tonnes of ideas. Or check the GtD group as well :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: fisticfighter  <fisticfighter@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Filtering Tags

I agree completely.  I think tags are great, but unusable (by me) 
until there is an easier way to filter by a single tag or 
combinations of tags.  What I would like to do, for example, is to 
create two categories of tags, one for context and another for an 
area of focus.  If I have 18 tags in one group and 12 in the other, 
I would have to create 30 different filters to view an outline based 
on each tag.  To view any combination of context and area I would 
have to constantly edit and change a single filter, or create 216 
different filters.  I would even have to create even more filters 
for viewing multiple contexts and/or multiple areas at one time, and 
this is just for tags alone!  In practice I would also want to 
combine tags with some date and completion filtering.  Tom, I really 
like your idea for a tag quick-filter that would work for either a 
singly selected tag or multiple tags, and I hope Jeff implements 
something like it.

Concerning filtering in general, both Bonsai and Progect have a 
simple, single screen to define a filter.  Of course they don't 
allow you to save a filter configuration like Shadow, but it is very 
convenient to have all the widgets for controlling the filter on one 
screen and to be able to change those easily to narrow in on a 
desired list of items.  With Shadow, if I would like to tweak just 
one aspect of a filter I either have to create a new one, or modify 
the existing one - neither of which are very quick to do.  Ideally I 
would like to be able to apply a saved filter, but then also have 
one tap access to a details screen where I could easily change the 
settings and then reapply the filter.

- Aaron



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tsuchy" <tsuchy@y...> wrote:
> 
> I love the concept of tags, but using them right now seems a bit
> difficult; one has to create an individual filter for each tag or 
set
> of tags one would like to filter with.
> 
> A feature that would make tags instantly more usable (by me, 
anyway)
> would be a quick-filter feature, which (perhaps) looks like the 
menus
> that "Add Tag" generates, and allows the selection of any one tag, 
on
> which it then filters exclusively. These filters could be 
temporary,
> and perhaps a global option could determine if the list should 
contain
> only tags that are used within that list.
> 
> This is similar to something that was mentioned about a wizard to
> create a filter from a tag, and that's great, but it would clutter 
the
> filter list if one uses a lot of tags.
> 
> perhaps this quick-filter method could act similarly to the 
clipboard,
> where one could select only one tag, or add more tags to the 
dynamic,
> temporary filter (like "hold one" vs. "hold many", maybe "tag-
filter
> one" vs. "tag-filter many").
> 
> 
> Tom!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 6:40pm
Subject: Re: Links

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, dnobull wrote:

> I've been a Shadow user approaching 2 years now. What an incredible
> program! Thanks Jeff!! Got a problem now though, My datebook links no
> longer work. Tap on the link arrow, tap on my link, screen blinks and
> I'm right back at the same screen. Any suggestions? I am using the
> currant alpha 2.56a; however this problem started while using 2.5 My
> pda is a Visor Prism.

	Sounds like you changed your Datebook preference to go to some
other appilcation whch doesn't accept datebook links.. Try checking or
resetting your "Preferred Datebook App" preferences, in the global
preferences.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Filtering Tags

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, fisticfighter wrote:

> different filters.  I would even have to create even more filters 
> for viewing multiple contexts and/or multiple areas at one time, and 
> this is just for tags alone!  In practice I would also want to 
> combine tags with some date and completion filtering.  Tom, I really 
> like your idea for a tag quick-filter that would work for either a 
> singly selected tag or multiple tags, and I hope Jeff implements 
> something like it.

	I hope to create a "filter wizard" or something, where you can
create very basic ad-hoc unsaved filters; something like pick a tag from
your tag listing, and it filters on it. Leave Shadow and the filter is
lost.

> Concerning filtering in general, both Bonsai and Progect have a
> simple, single screen to define a filter.  Of course they don't allow

	You remind me of Atari; "Shadow: Power without the price" ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:02pm
Subject: Bad Load error message

I noticed that there were some posts a month or two ago on this issue, but I 
didn't fully understand the instructions.

I just added a new person to my address book, then went to Shadow and added 
the link to her name and phone number.  Then when I went back to see if the 
link worked, got the Bad Load message.

I notice my previously created links (that worked reliably til now) are 
giving the same error message.  

I'm afraid if I hotsync (no desktop version...I'm on a Mac), I'll somehow 
mess up and overwrite the good version (previous version that worked just 
fine.)  So I thought I'd post and see what you'd recommend...please use basic 
language :)
Leslie

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:27pm
Subject: file management...categories vs. files vs. tags exlained

Dear Jeff,
You are much too generous with your time...but I really appreciate the info.  
See below,
Leslie

Jeff wrote:
In Shadow files have categories. Within a file, they do not have categories 
(since categories are too limiting). Instead, we use Tags. A tag is like a 
category, except you acn have thousands of them, and multiple per item, and 
yuo can categorize tags (since you can have so many of them).
---Thanks so much for explaining this!!  That's just what I was wondering.  
I'm going to print out your email for future reference.

How you keep organized is up to your personal system (which emerges as you 
experiment). I keep major categories for things by .. type/topic. So I keep a 
"ToDo" category which has files like "ToDo - Work"
and "ToDo - Home".. contexts. 
---That makes sense.  I've created those lists, as well as an "today's 
errands-personal" list.  I took one of the tips from that yahoo group and 
have a template of various places I usually go, and can now check the items 
to do today, click on "copy checked items" and then move those to the 
"today's errands-personal" list.  

---It's so helpful when people post how they actually use Shadow, even though 
it's idiosyncratic.  It's easier for a beginner to understand the details 
with an actual example, since I'm not up to speed on the terminology yet to 
be more hypothetical.

.....Jeff wrote: Or check the GtD group as well :)

---I did and am on that list.  I met David Allen a while ago (he's sort of a 
colleague, but much more famous than I am :) and it's great to see how his 
ideas has taken hold for people.  
(I assume GtD stands for Getting Things Done.)

Thanks so much!
Leslie

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:19am
Subject: Re: Bad Load error message

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> I noticed that there were some posts a month or two ago on this issue, but I 
> didn't fully understand the instructions.
> 
> I just added a new person to my address book, then went to Shadow and added 
> the link to her name and phone number.  Then when I went back to see if the 
> link worked, got the Bad Load message.
> 
> I notice my previously created links (that worked reliably til now) are 
> giving the same error message.  
> 
> I'm afraid if I hotsync (no desktop version...I'm on a Mac), I'll somehow 
> mess up and overwrite the good version (previous version that worked just 
> fine.)  So I thought I'd post and see what you'd recommend...please use basic 
> language :)

	Bad Load almost cannot occur if you're not using the conduit,
unless some really naughty app does something. AFAIK, Shadow handheld has
never corrupted a file ever...

	You may want to find your desktop PDB files and copy them
somewhere else (before synching) for good measure.

	However.. can you open the file with Shadow at all?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 9:30pm
Subject: Bad Load

Jeff wrote:
Bad Load almost cannot occur if you're not using the conduit,
unless some really naughty app does something. AFAIK, Shadow handheld has
never corrupted a file ever...

You may want to find your desktop PDB files and copy them
somewhere else (before synching) for good measure.

Leslie: Is that the backup on my desktop (in the Palm folder under User 
name?) I just copied them. Thanks for the suggestion.

However.. can you open the file with Shadow at all?

Leslie: yes, and I can do most other functions, at least those I usually do. 
I'll try a hot synch and see if that helps.

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Fri Aug 30, 2002 9:32pm
Subject: a thought about Bad Load

Jeff wrote:
Bad Load almost cannot occur if you're not using the conduit,
unless some really naughty app does something. AFAIK, Shadow handheld has
never corrupted a file ever...

Leslie:  I have used the conduit to hot synch.  I just don't have the desktop 
app because I have a Mac.  Does this make a difference re. what you said 
above?
Leslie

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:20pm
Subject: Re: font selection: list and notes

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

in other words, Shadow can choose one of 4 system fonts for the list, 
but always use the font(0) for Details and Notes.

I wish to have a small font for the list, and a big font for the 
Note. The only way to implement it will be a bit funny: a big font 
for normal(0) so that Notes will use it, and a small font for (2) and 
ask Shadow to use (2) instead of (0).

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:54am
Subject: bad load update

Jeff:
I copied the Shadow backup files to another folder in case I can use them 
later (question about that below).  Then did a hotsync operation.  
Unfortunately this did not stop the Bad Load error message.  So I deleted the 
program and reinstalled, and now it's working.  

Question: If I try to reinstall data from copy I made of back up files (or 
backup module inserted in my Visor), will it re-install whatever was causing 
the bad load error message?  Or will I just get my data back?

It's not important that I get that data back.  I basically was using it to 
learn the Shadow program, and probably by recreating it I'll get better at 
using the program.  But it might be good for me to know for future reference 
whether I can reinstall the data in this situation.

Thanks,
Leslie

From: scarlet_vx  <scarlet_vx@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:02pm
Subject: Re: Wish list: enhanced clip, build on Next Step Only for custom filters

I've been on vacation, so just wanted to respond with a thank you.
 
Alex's post pretty much clarified what I'd be looking for in the 
clipping function.  Thanks for addressing. (He said: I am not sure 
what scarlet_vx has in mind, but I take 'copy all visible..." to be a 
subset of what the current commands are doing. EG we now have "copy 
all checked". So I hope there is an option that restricts "copy all 
checked" to visible items only, excluding checked by filtered out 
items. Probably another option to exclude checked but collapsed item 
as well. When I do a copy all checked, I expect to copy items with a 
visible checkmark.)

And yes, I would be more than satisfied with just a rule to build 
from "next step only".  I think I can replicate any other built in 
filters.

Thanks again.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, scarlet_vx wrote:
> 
> > 1) I appreciate the "set hold many" and "send to file" 
functions,but
> > is there any possibility of someday being able to send everything 
in a
> > filtered view to the clip?  Or, be able to select more than one 
item
> > at a time before sending to clip?  "Send all checked to clip"  
type
> > options are helpful, but it would be nice to be able to exclude
> > checked items that are not in the current view.
> 
> 	I'm not sure a "Copy all visible to clip" is a good idea
> (clipboard going to 3MB coudl be bad ;), but it is interesting.. 
since of
> course with custom filters you can define your view carefully, then 
use
> copy-visible-to-clip to send it all to the clip.. pretty powerful
> there. Added to my list.
> 
> > 2) I'd like to be able to use "Next Step Only" as part of my 
custom
> > filters.  I can't figure out how to specify "show only the first
> > unchecked item on a sublevel" from scratch.
> 
> 	Yeah, I've been hoping to add the ability to refer to built in
> filters from a custom fitler rule; however, if the only thing you 
cannot
> build well is "next step only", I could perhaps just create a rule 
for
> that.. much easier.
> 
> > 3) I'd like to see other dates, esp. finish date, as options for
> > custom views.
> 
> 	Yep; already on my list :)
> 
> > I can be patient.  This program is awesome!
> 
> 	Thanks!
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:37pm
Subject: Re: Bad Load

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> Leslie: Is that the backup on my desktop (in the Palm folder under User 
> name?) I just copied them. Thanks for the suggestion.

	Yep; I'm not really familiar with the Mac side of Palm Desktop,
but there should be a Backup folder in your user directory, full of
files. For Shadow files, they'll look like "ShadP-*.PDB" (though on a MAc,
the .PDB is likely hidden). The "*" would be one file for each of your
Shadow files on your handheld. Those are the raw backups.

> However.. can you open the file with Shadow at all?
> 
> Leslie: yes, and I can do most other functions, at least those I usually do. 
> I'll try a hot synch and see if that helps.

	So you can open the file in Shadow, that means the file is
okay. Where does the problem pop up?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: font selection: list and notes

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, mcmug1997 wrote:

> in other words, Shadow can choose one of 4 system fonts for the list, 
> but always use the font(0) for Details and Notes.
> 
> I wish to have a small font for the list, and a big font for the 
> Note. The only way to implement it will be a bit funny: a big font 
> for normal(0) so that Notes will use it, and a small font for (2) and 
> ask Shadow to use (2) instead of (0). 

	Thats hard to follow ;) You could perhaps use a resource editor on
your palm, and hack the Note Form resource to use a different font
wherever you need. But thats nasty and I won't discuss it in the site of
decent folk ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 10:39pm
Subject: Re: bad load update

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> I copied the Shadow backup files to another folder in case I can use them 
> later (question about that below).  Then did a hotsync operation.  
> Unfortunately this did not stop the Bad Load error message.  So I deleted the 
> program and reinstalled, and now it's working.  
> 
> Question: If I try to reinstall data from copy I made of back up files (or 
> backup module inserted in my Visor), will it re-install whatever was causing 
> the bad load error message?  Or will I just get my data back?

	I need to identify the source of the bad load to be sure; since
you can open Shadow, and open the files, when was the Bad Load occuring?

	I can't see any problem with using the old data..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Re: bad load update

In a message dated 8/31/02 4:12:26 PM, support@s... writes:
Jeff,
Sorry to ask so many questions...couldn't find the info elsewhere.  I could 
open Shadow, and could open the files.  I got the Bad Load error message 
whenever I clicked on a link and tried to go to that data.  So if I clicked 
on the link arrow on a list item, and then selected the address book item 
let's say it was linked to, usually I'd get right to the address book page 
with the info I needed.  Instead I was getting the Bad Load error message 
window at that point.

I hope that is helpful.  Thanks for any advice re. that.  And if you don't 
mind another question, to get the old data back in there, would you recommend 
I hit "restore" on my back up module?  Or?  Like I said, I can live without 
the old data at this point, but if it happened again I'd feel better knowing 
how to re-access it if it's something important.

Thanks!
Leslie

Jeff's message:
I need to identify the source of the bad load to be sure; since
you can open Shadow, and open the files, when was the Bad Load occuring?

    I can't see any problem with using the old data..

        jeff >>

Original question:
<< On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> I copied the Shadow backup files to another folder in case I can use them 
> later (question about that below).  Then did a hotsync operation.  
> Unfortunately this did not stop the Bad Load error message.  So I deleted 
the 
> program and reinstalled, and now it's working.  
> 
> Question: If I try to reinstall data from copy I made of back up files (or 
> backup module inserted in my Visor), will it re-install whatever was 
causing 
> the bad load error message?  Or will I just get my data back?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 11:24pm
Subject: Re: bad load update

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> Sorry to ask so many questions...couldn't find the info elsewhere.  I
> could open Shadow, and could open the files.  I got the Bad Load error
> message whenever I clicked on a link and tried to go to that data.  
> So if I clicked on the link arrow on a list item, and then selected
> the address book item let's say it was linked to, usually I'd get
> right to the address book page with the info I needed.  Instead I was
> getting the Bad Load error message window at that point.

	Is the file on a VFS card?

	(ie: When you click on an Address, Shadow closes and jumps to your
set Address Book application. If it cannot run it for whatever reason
(you've set an invalid address book program, say(), then Shadow reloads
and opens the file you were at. So the Bad Load could be that fort
whatever reaosn, it couldn't get that file back up adfter a failed
goto. Or maybe the Bad Load was from the address book program...)

	Ah, wait. I bet you used Set Program for "Address" type link in
Link Manager, and set it to *Shadow*. Then when you tap on the addr link,
Shadow exits, runs Shadow, and tells it to go to an address. When Shadow
receives the address, it goes "what the hell?" and gives you a bad load,
and exits, to the first Shadow, which then shows the file selection screen
or somethign probably.

	I bet you just need to use Set Program for your Address Link, to
set it to the Address Book program :)

> I hope that is helpful.  Thanks for any advice re. that.  And if you
> don't mind another question, to get the old data back in there, would
> you recommend I hit "restore" on my back up module?  Or?  Like I said,
> I can live without the old data at this point, but if it happened
> again I'd feel better knowing how to re-access it if it's something
> important.

	I don't know how you've got yourself set up. Restoring it from
desktop, card, whatever, is up to you. Soudns liker there is nothign wrong
with your data :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Sat Aug 31, 2002 7:31pm
Subject: Re: bad load update

Hi Jeff,
Sadly, I don't have a clue what a VFS card is.  But I don't think I have one. 
 I just use DateBook Plus on Palm OS 3.5 on my Handspring Visor.  Under the 
general preferences I use DateBook Plus for my preferred Datebook.  I don't 
have any third party software at all at this point except Shadow and I use 
the Stowaway Keyboard.

I hope that answers your question.  If not, please let me know.
Leslie


Jeff wrote:
    Is the file on a VFS card?

    (ie: When you click on an Address, Shadow closes and jumps to your
set Address Book application. If it cannot run it for whatever reason
(you've set an invalid address book program, say(), then Shadow reloads
and opens the file you were at. So the Bad Load could be that fort
whatever reaosn, it couldn't get that file back up adfter a failed
goto. Or maybe the Bad Load was from the address book program...)

    Ah, wait. I bet you used Set Program for "Address" type link in
Link Manager, and set it to *Shadow*. Then when you tap on the addr link,
Shadow exits, runs Shadow, and tells it to go to an address. When Shadow
receives the address, it goes "what the hell?" and gives you a bad load,
and exits, to the first Shadow, which then shows the file selection screen
or somethign probably.

    I bet you just need to use Set Program for your Address Link, to
set it to the Address Book program :)

> I hope that is helpful.  Thanks for any advice re. that.  And if you
> don't mind another question, to get the old data back in there, would
> you recommend I hit "restore" on my back up module?  Or?  Like I said,
> I can live without the old data at this point, but if it happened
> again I'd feel better knowing how to re-access it if it's something
> important.

    I don't know how you've got yourself set up. Restoring it from
desktop, card, whatever, is up to you. Soudns liker there is nothign wrong
with your data :) >>

From: dnobull  <david@d...>
Date: Sun Sep 1, 2002 5:10am
Subject: linking

Jeff,
I rechecked global preferences and chose address book, datebook, 
action names, etc. 
Address book Linking has failed completly, nothing I try will resolve 
the problem. Is there a possibility some recent program installation 
could block linking? Acually I removed all the programs installed 
prior to descovering the link problem with Shadow. My guess is that 
one of these programs caused this but I don't know what to do about 
it. What should I try next?
Thanks,
David

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Sep 1, 2002 7:36am
Subject: Poll results for shadow-discuss

The following shadow-discuss poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Most outline apps "rollup" the due 
dates (i.e. Bonsai, MS Project) so 
that the parent task’s due date is 
automatically the latest due date of 
its sub-tasks. Shadow does this now 
with a task's status but not dates, 
would you like to see rolled-up due 
dates implemented? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes, as a list option , 35 votes, 79.55%  
- Yes, as a global option, 5 votes, 11.36%  
- Nope, don’t need it, 4 votes, 9.09%  



For more information about this group, please visit 
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun Sep 1, 2002 9:42pm
Subject: Re: linking

there is a problem still linking with the address book in action names as i recall, because action names developer refuses to share the code with other developers to solve this problem, correct Jeff?  if you use another address book, it should work fine.  it is this problem you are having, right?
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dnobull 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:10 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] linking


  Jeff,
  I rechecked global preferences and chose address book, datebook, 
  action names, etc. 
  Address book Linking has failed completly, nothing I try will resolve 
  the problem. Is there a possibility some recent program installation 
  could block linking? Acually I removed all the programs installed 
  prior to descovering the link problem with Shadow. My guess is that 
  one of these programs caused this but I don't know what to do about 
  it. What should I try next?
  Thanks,
  David



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Dbk5 and Shadow and the "go to-to do"

Hi Jeff, is there a way to control which view shadow and go to "to 
do" goes to, like instead of going to the main view can it go 
another view ie the List view or Week view.

thanks in advance, or is it a dbk5 issue

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 6:35am
Subject: Re: Dbk5 and Shadow and the "go to-to do"

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "jledesma28" <jledesma28@y...> wrote:
> is there a way to control which view shadow and go to "to 
> do" goes to, like instead of going to the main view can it go 
> another view ie the List view or Week view.

It's db5. DB5 comes with a handful of tiny programs that allow you to 
start using a different view. Refer to the db5 documentation.

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 7:12am
Subject: Shadow Plan numbering system

Jeff, 
I find that one of the more limiting things about ShadowPlan is the 
limit of auto-numbering to only 3 levels. Because of this I have more 
files than I wish. As a file's topics become detailed past the point 
of a couple of levels I break those topics off as seperate files. (I 
find that I get lost in lists with levels beyond 4, even with the 
indentation, without the numbering to guide me and I'm too lazy to 
add aditional numbers). Breaking topics off can work OK but it's a 
little problematic to navigate across sibling topic levels when they 
now exist as seperate files (without adding a bunch of cross links).

One numbering system that works well indfinitely is:
1.	First Main
	1.1.	FM Sub-topic1
	1.2.	FM Sub-topic2
	1.3.	FM Sub-topic3
		1.3.1.	FM Sub-topic3 sub-topic1
		1.3.2.	FM Sub-topic3 sub-topic2
2.	Second Main
	2.1.	SM Sub-topic1
		2.1.1.	SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic1
		2.1.2.	SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic2
			2.1.2.1.	SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic2 sub-
topic1
			2.1.2.2.	SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic2 sub-
topic2
ETC, ETC, ETC.

(Sorry about the boring example text -- I'm not feeling very creative 
this early AM.) 

Could this be a list preference option?

Paul

From: Gary  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 7:59am
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan numbering system

I even get frustrated when my 'bullets' disappear at level 4 - seems there 
should be an easy option that children use same numbering as parent?

Gary

On 2 Sep 2002 at 7:12, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> Jeff, 
> I find that one of the more limiting things about 
> ShadowPlan is the 
> limit of auto-numbering to only 3 levels. Because of this I 
> have more 
> files than I wish. As a file's topics become detailed past 
> the point 
> of a couple of levels I break those topics off as seperate 
> files. (I 
> find that I get lost in lists with levels beyond 4, even 
> with the 
> indentation, without the numbering to guide me and I'm too 
> lazy to 
> add aditional numbers). Breaking topics off can work OK but 
> it's a 
> little problematic to navigate across sibling topic levels 
> when they 
> now exist as seperate files (without adding a bunch of 
> cross links).
> 
> One numbering system that works well indfinitely is:
> 1. First Main
>  1.1. FM Sub-topic1
>  1.2. FM Sub-topic2
>  1.3. FM Sub-topic3
>   1.3.1. FM Sub-topic3 sub-topic1
>   1.3.2. FM Sub-topic3 sub-topic2
> 2. Second Main
>  2.1. SM Sub-topic1
>   2.1.1. SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic1
>   2.1.2. SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic2
>    2.1.2.1. SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic2 
> sub-
> topic1
>    2.1.2.2. SM Sub-topic1 sub-topic2 
> sub-
> topic2
> ETC, ETC, ETC.
> 
> (Sorry about the boring example text -- I'm not feeling 
> very creative 
> this early AM.) 
> 
> Could this be a list preference option?
> 
> Paul
> 
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 10:10pm
Subject: Re: bad load update

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> Sadly, I don't have a clue what a VFS card is.  But I don't think I have one. 
>  I just use DateBook Plus on Palm OS 3.5 on my Handspring Visor.  Under the 
> general preferences I use DateBook Plus for my preferred Datebook.  I don't 
> have any third party software at all at this point except Shadow and I use 
> the Stowaway Keyboard.

	Go to an item, go to Link Manager for it, hit Add, hit Address,
hit Set Program, pick Address Book, then cancel everything. Then your
address linking should work, if what I guess is true. (See below)

		jeff

> I hope that answers your question.  If not, please let me know.
> Leslie
> 
> 
> Jeff wrote:
>     Is the file on a VFS card?
> 
>     (ie: When you click on an Address, Shadow closes and jumps to your
> set Address Book application. If it cannot run it for whatever reason
> (you've set an invalid address book program, say(), then Shadow reloads
> and opens the file you were at. So the Bad Load could be that fort
> whatever reaosn, it couldn't get that file back up adfter a failed
> goto. Or maybe the Bad Load was from the address book program...)
> 
>     Ah, wait. I bet you used Set Program for "Address" type link in
> Link Manager, and set it to *Shadow*. Then when you tap on the addr link,
> Shadow exits, runs Shadow, and tells it to go to an address. When Shadow
> receives the address, it goes "what the hell?" and gives you a bad load,
> and exits, to the first Shadow, which then shows the file selection screen
> or somethign probably.
> 
>     I bet you just need to use Set Program for your Address Link, to
> set it to the Address Book program :)
> 
> > I hope that is helpful.  Thanks for any advice re. that.  And if you
> > don't mind another question, to get the old data back in there, would
> > you recommend I hit "restore" on my back up module?  Or?  Like I said,
> > I can live without the old data at this point, but if it happened
> > again I'd feel better knowing how to re-access it if it's something
> > important.
> 
>     I don't know how you've got yourself set up. Restoring it from
> desktop, card, whatever, is up to you. Soudns liker there is nothign wrong
> with your data :) >>
> 
> 
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 10:11pm
Subject: Re: linking

On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, dnobull wrote:

> I rechecked global preferences and chose address book, datebook, 
> action names, etc. 
> Address book Linking has failed completly, nothing I try will resolve 
> the problem. Is there a possibility some recent program installation 
> could block linking? Acually I removed all the programs installed 
> prior to descovering the link problem with Shadow. My guess is that 
> one of these programs caused this but I don't know what to do about 
> it. What should I try next?

	So Address Book linkin is broken? ie: You cannot go to a link?

	Link Manager, Add, Address, Set Program, pick "Address Book", and
cancel the link manager stuff.

	Then try a goto..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 10:12pm
Subject: Re: Dbk5 and Shadow and the "go to-to do"

On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Hi Jeff, is there a way to control which view shadow and go to "to do"
> goes to, like instead of going to the main view can it go another view
> ie the List view or Week view.

	By the standard, no; perhaps CESD provides an API to allow this,
but I've not gone into non-standard-things yet...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Sep 2, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan numbering system

On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I find that one of the more limiting things about ShadowPlan is the
> limit of auto-numbering to only 3 levels. Because of this I have more
> files than I wish. As a file's topics become detailed past the point
> of a couple of levels I break those topics off as seperate files. (I
> find that I get lost in lists with levels beyond 4, even with the

	Why not define your own autonumbering on the fly? You can set an
autonumber and it'll stick for that sublevel and be inherited by all new
items, etc...

	Theres some cool ways to expand the system, but I've got to focus
on the desktop and conduit and business right now instead :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: dnobull  <david@d...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: Re: linking

Thanks sooo much Jeff that worked! Got my links back. I believe it 
got messed up from a program I tried last week called TrackFast that 
uses links to organize contacts and files. Anyway it is deleted now.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, dnobull wrote:
> 
> > I rechecked global preferences and chose address book, datebook, 
> > action names, etc. 
> > Address book Linking has failed completly, nothing I try will 
resolve 
> > the problem. Is there a possibility some recent program 
installation 
> > could block linking? Acually I removed all the programs installed 
> > prior to descovering the link problem with Shadow. My guess is 
that 
> > one of these programs caused this but I don't know what to do 
about 
> > it. What should I try next?
> 
> 	So Address Book linkin is broken? ie: You cannot go to a link?
> 
> 	Link Manager, Add, Address, Set Program, pick "Address Book", 
and
> cancel the link manager stuff.
> 
> 	Then try a goto..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: dnobull  <david@d...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: links and target date

If I link out of one Shadow file to another I don't see a way to get 
back to the original file easily. Can this be done? I hope so. Shadow 
plan is an unbelievable asset to my work as a Real Estate Broker. 
Transaction details, contacts, due dates, etc. I want to build a list 
with deadlines occurring durring the Escrow period that key on the 
One contract start date  My idea is to have a date that can be 
referenced by other entrys in the list for setting their individual 
target dates. An anchor or master date sort of. So if the Contract 
starts on say sept first. then other entrys that have deadlines 
3,7,14,27 or whatever 'days from start date', the date will be set by 
just inputing that number.   
Using this list as a templete then with each sale, all that would be 
needed is to imput the start date and all the other dates will 
automaticly be set.

Is something like this possible? It seems like it could be very 
usefull to those wanting project management features as well.

Thank you, 

David

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Going back and forth between List and why this happens ?

In going back and forth between list, it always opens up the list in 
a filtered view eg. going from @inbox(list file) to @next actions
(list file) can I somehow fix so it just opens up the list without 
any filters and one sees the plain view.

thanks in advance...

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 3:10pm
Subject: have you had problems with Visor Neo?

Hi again,
I hate to be such a pain!  (Although on the good side, I did refer a friend 
to your program, and I'm sure he's going to get it.)

But now my Visor Neo keeps crashing.  I am going to call Handspring customer 
service, since it probably isn't related to Shadow.  But I did notice that on 
the Handspring help site they recommend that if it keeps freezing/crashing to 
remove third party apps.

So I was wondering if you'd had other Visor problems.  

Again, I am almost positive it's not Shadow, but just want to rule that out.
Leslie

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 7:58pm
Subject: Re: links and target date

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, dnobull wrote:

> If I link out of one Shadow file to another I don't see a way to get 
> back to the original file easily. Can this be done? I hope so. Shadow 

	"Recent files popup". Under the Go pulldown menu, and available
through various other quickie means.

> plan is an unbelievable asset to my work as a Real Estate Broker. 
> Transaction details, contacts, due dates, etc. I want to build a list 
> with deadlines occurring durring the Escrow period that key on the 
> One contract start date  My idea is to have a date that can be 
> referenced by other entrys in the list for setting their individual 
> target dates. An anchor or master date sort of. So if the Contract 
> starts on say sept first. then other entrys that have deadlines 
> 3,7,14,27 or whatever 'days from start date', the date will be set by 
> just inputing that number.   
> Using this list as a templete then with each sale, all that would be 
> needed is to imput the start date and all the other dates will 
> automaticly be set.

	Maybe I'm burnt out today (which is true ;), but you lost me ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Going back and forth between List and why this happens ?

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> In going back and forth between list, it always opens up the list in 
> a filtered view eg. going from @inbox(list file) to @next actions
> (list file) can I somehow fix so it just opens up the list without 
> any filters and one sees the plain view.

	Lists do not remember their filter (by design), unless they have
an auto-filter attached to a custom-view. So if you've defined a custom
view with an enforced filter, the list will open with that filter. You can
force a filter of "none" (to clear all filters when you open the list), or
you can have no filter enforcing, so that the list always opens in
whatever state you left it...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 8:05pm
Subject: Re: have you had problems with Visor Neo?

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 godwinpss@a... wrote:

> Hi again,
> I hate to be such a pain!  (Although on the good side, I did refer a friend 
> to your program, and I'm sure he's going to get it.)
> 
> But now my Visor Neo keeps crashing.  I am going to call Handspring customer 
> service, since it probably isn't related to Shadow.  But I did notice that on 
> the Handspring help site they recommend that if it keeps freezing/crashing to 
> remove third party apps.

	Shadow has no problems with Visor Neo (or any other Palm OS
handheld OS 3.0 or later).

	Tried disabling all hacks and security apps?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: godwinpss@a...
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 4:19pm
Subject: Re: have you had problems with Visor Neo?

Dear Jeff,
I called Handspring and they are going to have to replace my unit.  I had a 
feeling that your software works better than their hardware :)

Leslie

In a message dated 9/3/02 1:10:26 PM, support@s... writes:

<<  Shadow has no problems with Visor Neo (or any other Palm OS
handheldOS 3.0 or later).

    Tried disabling all hacks and security apps?

        jeff >>

From: dnobull  <david@d...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 9:09pm
Subject: Re: links and target date

Gees Jeff, I lost myself on that one as well! I'll re-think it and 
try it later 
I'm having one of those days too.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, dnobull wrote:
> 
> > If I link out of one Shadow file to another I don't see a way to 
get 
> > back to the original file easily. Can this be done? I hope so. 
Shadow 
> 
> 	"Recent files popup". Under the Go pulldown menu, and 
available
> through various other quickie means.
> 
> > plan is an unbelievable asset to my work as a Real Estate Broker. 
> > Transaction details, contacts, due dates, etc. I want to build a 
list 
> > with deadlines occurring durring the Escrow period that key on 
the 
> > One contract start date  My idea is to have a date that can be 
> > referenced by other entrys in the list for setting their 
individual 
> > target dates. An anchor or master date sort of. So if the 
Contract 
> > starts on say sept first. then other entrys that have deadlines 
> > 3,7,14,27 or whatever 'days from start date', the date will be 
set by 
> > just inputing that number.   
> > Using this list as a templete then with each sale, all that would 
be 
> > needed is to imput the start date and all the other dates will 
> > automaticly be set.
> 
> 	Maybe I'm burnt out today (which is true ;), but you lost 
me ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: grumpstone  <grumpstone@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 9:52pm
Subject: Indent question

Hallo all,

I was wondering whether there is a way to control which outline 
levels indent, and how much they indent.  

E.g., once you get a couple of children into an outline, there is 
very little room left (I'm using custom view).  I would like to 
supress indenting starting with the third or fourth level.

Anyone?

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 10:48pm
Subject: Re: links and target date

Jeff referenced:

 plan is an unbelievable asset to my work as a Real Estate Broker.
> Transaction details, contacts, due dates, etc. I want to build a list
> with deadlines occurring durring the Escrow period that key on the
> One contract start date  My idea is to have a date that can be
> referenced by other entrys in the list for setting their individual
> target dates. An anchor or master date sort of. So if the Contract
> starts on say sept first. then other entrys that have deadlines
> 3,7,14,27 or whatever 'days from start date', the date will be set by
> just inputing that number.
> Using this list as a templete then with each sale, all that would be
> needed is to imput the start date and all the other dates will
> automaticly be set.

           Maybe I'm burnt out today (which is true ;), but you lost me ;)
____________

Jeff,

I think what he's asking for is to set a parent start date, and then have
all children target dates offset by a certain number of days. So for
example if the target start date is 1/1/2003, and the first child has an
offset of 7, the child target gets set to 1/8/2003. Then if he reused this
list, he could change the start date on the parent, and all the children's
target dates would recalculate. Pretty nifty for repetitive projects, but I
don't know how difficult it would be. Hope I translated well enough.

Scott

From: anniebluesky  <annie@b...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 11:25pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan numbering system

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:
> 
> > I find that one of the more limiting things about ShadowPlan is 
the
> > limit of auto-numbering to only 3 levels. 

I too would like to see an expanded numbering system...my outlines 
are usually longer than 3 deep and they then just turn into undefined 
lines. 


> 
> 	Why not define your own autonumbering on the fly? You can set 
an
> autonumber and it'll stick for that sublevel and be inherited by 
all new

How do you do this to go past the set 3 levels?

thanks...
annie

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 1:38pm
Subject: Re: Indent question

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, grumpstone wrote:

> I was wondering whether there is a way to control which outline 
> levels indent, and how much they indent.  
> 
> E.g., once you get a couple of children into an outline, there is 
> very little room left (I'm using custom view).  I would like to 
> supress indenting starting with the third or fourth level.
> 
> Anyone?

	Hmm. Two answers..

	1) You can set up a suppression of indent on any item via a custom
view and using that view on that item.

	2) Suppressing indent means it goes far left; you probably want it
to use the parents indent level. I'll have to think about that.

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: Re: links and target date

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 smasters@a... wrote:

> I think what he's asking for is to set a parent start date, and then
> have all children target dates offset by a certain number of days. So
> for example if the target start date is 1/1/2003, and the first child
> has an offset of 7, the child target gets set to 1/8/2003. Then if he
> reused this list, he could change the start date on the parent, and
> all the children's target dates would recalculate. Pretty nifty for
> repetitive projects, but I don't know how difficult it would be. Hope
> I translated well enough.

	I've thought about this; its a few stages of work; 1) A user
interface to let you specify a relative offset from parent; 2) When a
child is updated, check parent; 3) When a parent is updated, reset all
children as appropriate; 4) Synch times, check parents; 5) Todo/Dateboo
klinks must be checked as well, since they can indirectly effect the dates

	So not too complex, but some work. I've left it for later.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow Plan numbering system

On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, anniebluesky wrote:

> I too would like to see an expanded numbering system...my outlines 
> are usually longer than 3 deep and they then just turn into undefined 
> lines. 

> > autonumber and it'll stick for that sublevel and be inherited by 
> all new
> 
> How do you do this to go past the set 3 levels?

	See the Details window for an item :) You can set its autonumber
there, and when you do so it'll chaneg all items on that same
sublevel. New items will inherit that choice as well.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Frederick G. Turner  <fred@s...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 2:44pm
Subject: RE: links and target date

My two cents:

This would be a fairly powerful feature; it has been requested numerous
times for db5, and CESD hasn't gotten around to it yet. I think there is a
substantial base of users for whom the ability to set up recurring
secuential task lists would be of great value...

Saludos,
Fred. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:40 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] links and target date
> 
> 
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> > I think what he's asking for is to set a parent start date, 
> and then 
> > have all children target dates offset by a certain number 
> of days. So 
> > for example if the target start date is 1/1/2003, and the 
> first child 
> > has an offset of 7, the child target gets set to 1/8/2003. 
> Then if he 
> > reused this list, he could change the start date on the parent, and 
> > all the children's target dates would recalculate. Pretty nifty for 
> > repetitive projects, but I don't know how difficult it 
> would be. Hope 
> > I translated well enough.
> 
> 	I've thought about this; its a few stages of work; 1) A 
> user interface to let you specify a relative offset from 
> parent; 2) When a child is updated, check parent; 3) When a 
> parent is updated, reset all children as appropriate; 4) 
> Synch times, check parents; 5) Todo/Dateboo klinks must be 
> checked as well, since they can indirectly effect the dates
> 
> 	So not too complex, but some work. I've left it for later.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
> Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... 
> Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Link to Memo

Is it possible to link a Shadowplan item to a memo? I thought it was, but
can't seem to be able to find it now.
(maybe braindead today)
jeff

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 4, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Link to Memo

>Is it possible to link a Shadowplan item to a memo? I thought it was, but
>can't seem to be able to find it now.
>(maybe braindead today)
>jeff


yup.  Go to the link manager, either by tapping the link arrow on an item, 
or going into the item details and tapping the link button. In the linkmgr 
dialog, tap the add button at the bottom which opens a Link Add dialog.  Tap 
memo at the top then pick your memo and hit ok.  It's in this dialog where 
you also can set the default app you want to use when following memo/address 
links, using the set program button.

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From: mollw37  <mollw@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 5, 2002 11:34am
Subject: Re: bonsai <=> shadow <=> brainforest <=> memopad

Hi there,

actually I DON'T have a Mac (yet) but I'm working on it so I DO have 
a desktop...

Is there an easy way to get my Bonsai stuff into Shadow?


Michael

p.s. I've just e-mailed you a suggstion, which I will boringly 
repeat here. I've found autonumbering by level, but autoformatting 
(especially font colour and bold/italics etc.) would make notes 
outlines much more legible. In Bonsai you can make all level one 
notes Green, level 2 REd, etc etc.  Have I missed sth in Shadowplan?



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, mollw37 wrote:
> 
> > If so please let me know. Migrating current data is the only 
thing
> > stopping me changing.
> 
> 	If you get stuck, let me know. There ar sneaky ways of doing
> Desktop based imoprts. I know yu have no Shadow Desktop (since 
yuo're on a
> Mac), but perhaps we can work out something.
> 
> 	One of these days I'll just put out a PDB<->XML commandline 
tool
> for OSX, so peopel can do some XML silliness :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Sep 5, 2002 11:58am
Subject: Re: Re: bonsai <=> shadow <=> brainforest <=> memopad

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, mollw37 wrote:

> actually I DON'T have a Mac (yet) but I'm working on it so I DO have 
> a desktop...
> 
> Is there an easy way to get my Bonsai stuff into Shadow?

	What format does Bonsai desktop export to, if you save as text or
somesuch?

> p.s. I've just e-mailed you a suggstion, which I will boringly repeat
> here. I've found autonumbering by level, but autoformatting
> (especially font colour and bold/italics etc.) would make notes
> outlines much more legible. In Bonsai you can make all level one notes
> Green, level 2 REd, etc etc.  Have I missed sth in Shadowplan?

	I'll repeat publicly, for discussion sake :)  I've seen this sort
of thing in a couple of applications over the years, and I never really
"got it" -- an outline can have different associations but the main one is
the parent/child relationship. If *all* level 2 items are red, well.. that
sort of implies (to me) that all level 2 items are related, when they are
not.. instead, they are only related to their parents. So I've thought
about making random colours per sublevel, so sublevels group nicely by
colour.. but thats hard to get "right". (And also, I'd probably do it by
background colour instead of foreground colour.. nice light subtle
hints). We'll see...

		jeff

> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, mollw37 wrote:
> > 
> > > If so please let me know. Migrating current data is the only 
> thing
> > > stopping me changing.
> > 
> > 	If you get stuck, let me know. There ar sneaky ways of doing
> > Desktop based imoprts. I know yu have no Shadow Desktop (since 
> yuo're on a
> > Mac), but perhaps we can work out something.
> > 
> > 	One of these days I'll just put out a PDB<->XML commandline 
> tool
> > for OSX, so peopel can do some XML silliness :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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From: guilapbr  <guilherme.pedrosa@i...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 1:26am
Subject: Filter Item types?

Hi,

I was playing around with filters and I could not find a way to 
select only certain item types (eg Checklist, Note...). The only way 
I found is to always associate a tag to indicate the item type, but 
it requires a little work.

Is there a easier way to do that?

Thanks,
Guilherme.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 1:35am
Subject: Re: Filter Item types?

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, guilapbr wrote:

> I was playing around with filters and I could not find a way to select
> only certain item types (eg Checklist, Note...). The only way I found
> is to always associate a tag to indicate the item type, but it
> requires a little work.
> 
> Is there a easier way to do that?

	Currently no item type filter option if I recall, sorry. Theres
got to be a cool way... hmmm..

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 3:24am
Subject: Shadow 2.5.6 Beta Available

No documentation is included; as you can tell from the filename,
this is an alpha release from a couple weeks ago that has proven very
solid and useful, and I thought you guys might get a kick out of it.

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow256a.zip

	Off the top of my head, I think the changes since 2.5.0 (the
public release) are thus:

	* Sorting of whacky symbols should work; the GtD folks will be
happy
	* Datebook origin stamps (for ShadowLinkHack, etc)
	* Various fixes and little cleanups
	* New tag column operations

	You can now "Swap Tag" (a combined Remove Tag and Add Tag, all in
one step). You can "Two tap tag" now.. which is where once you've used
"Add Tag" this *SESSION*, tapping in the tag column now shows the first
pile of tags in that last category, thus letting you add new tags with
only two taps.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 3:41pm
Subject: Help! Conduit chewed up my list!

The conduit just screwed up one of my lists-- half of the data is gone.
Please tell me that the desktop somehow keeps multiple backups and if
so, how do I retrieve my list?  I could reconstruct it, but I really
don't want to!

Jen

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From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: My GTD setup with SP 2.5 and dbk5, I hope its informative

Hi folks,

I wanted to share my GTD setup using SP 2.5(can't wait for the 
desktop to come around at least to the level of the handheld) and 
Dbk5.  My gtd lists are in a category called gtd of course, there I 
have 3 list @Inbox, @Next Actions, @Someday/Maybe and I have another 
category just for projects called @Projects.  

@Inbox list has the following options setup: list type: flat, auto 
numb: no numbering, opt. suppress scrollbar and autochecked are 
checked off and in there I have two links setup: <<Back to Next 
Actions>> and <<Back to Someday/Maybe>>  In @Inbox I record all my 
entries. I usually use a voice recorder as a collection inbox and 
then input to SP, this is where the desktop would come in handy, the 
recorder I use is an Olympus V-90, its very thin and very portable 
along with my handheld a Clie T415, I'll be upgrading to a T615 to 
take advantage of SP's highlight function which is awesome.   

@Next Actions has the following options setup: list type custom, no 
numbering, custom: target date, link arrow, suppr. indent, suppr. 
note icon all these are checked off, the rest are blank. Ok, in here 
I have the following actions parents: Finance and Bills, Calls, 
Errands, Home, Concerts and a link back to the inbox and 
someday/maybe.  All the aforementioned parents are setup as a note 
for clarity of screen and then I put the corresponding children under 
each action parent.  This is still pretty basic but the magic starts 
with the filtering, tagging, and custom views that SP brings to 
us.... I'll describe those next:

I have a Custom View for each Action Parent category along with a few 
others: 
**Master File
*Next Week
*Past Due
*Today
*Tomorrow
*Waiting For
*Before leaving
*Completed Items 
*All Links


**Master File- has a corresponding custom filter with the following 
rules: Target date present is true and checked is false. In this view 
I can see all my next actions from a bird's view, that's the only 
purpose of this custom view(cv from now on) and custom filter(cf from 
now on) setup.

*Next Week- cf is target date equal to Next week, checked is false 
and now I'll explain the following Tag setup which is included in 
this cf so I kind off have to explain it first before continuing with 
*Next Week. I have the following tags 10min, 20 min, 30 min, 45 min, 
60 min. You may have why only five, well cuz that's kind off what I 
only use and its practical you figure if an action probably has a 
more time alotted its probably somekind of project of some sort with 
multiple actions. Also the neat thing for me is that I use priorities 
as follows in my mind anything with a priority 1 gets a 10min tag, 
priority 2 a 20 min tag, priority 3 a 30min tag, priority 4 a 45min 
tag, and  priority 5 a 60min tag...(all group A) I read an 
interesting post by Chris Murtland and his use of priorities on the 
DA posting board which enlightened me.  So now all my next actions 
have a priority and time tag assoicated with them and on my screen I 
see the time tag, target date and link arrow....sorry but I felt you 
needed to this so you can picture how its going to show up in SP.... 


*Past Due
*Today
*Tomorrow - All these cf's and cv's are like next week and they 
filter by target date to match the criteria, check is always false 
and they all have the time tag system I described above.

*Waiting For
*Before leaving-  This cf and cv are simple for any actions that I'm 
waiting for something or a reply whatever it is I add a tag Waiting 
For, tag by association and for Before leaving is a cf and cv I read 
on the gtd yahoo group and seemed like a great idea, you beging your 
day and something comes up that you absolutely must take with you 
before you leave somewhere ie. home,office, school, whatever throw a 
tag Before leaving and now its a quick reminder for you to look out 
for, link it to dbk5 in a todo cat. call it @BL or something like 
that and put an alarm and there it is.   In dbk5 I have todo 
catogories just like my parent action list and a couple of others but 
there I have some custom views as well showing only one category with 
diff layouts of some dbk5 views, ie only the calendar view, or any 
other diff combination, all of them except the weekly graphical view 
which I think sucks, if you have SP you don't really need a graphical 
weekly view in dbk5(imho) anyway I think what we need know is an 
acceptable desktop version to be able to do everything on and then 
view and play with it on the handheld and vice & versa, I'm sure Jeff 
is working hard and hopefully we'll have any early Xmas gift.  My 
setup is still evolving and I'm going to wait for the tag category 
selection that will be included with the next release SP 2.? this is 
going to be extremely helpful also the ability for children to 
automatically get the parents tag selection would be cool to, it 
would save us a bunch of time and we'd be able to manage our list 
super quick. I've tried Progect,LB, Bonsai and none of them have the 
flexibility and customization of SP IMHO, SP is just quick effective 
and realiable once you learn a few basics I would love to see how 
others are using SP 2.5 as well and I'm looking forward to Bob's P. 
SP and Dbk5  manual in the making I'm sure its going to be quite 
helpful... Any feedback or suggestion would be extremely 
appreciated...

Thanks for reading...kudos for Jeff for making this great program...

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 6:38pm
Subject: Re: Help! Conduit chewed up my list!

>From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [shadow-discuss] Help! Conduit chewed up my list!
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:41:18 -0500
>
>The conduit just screwed up one of my lists-- half of the data is gone.
>Please tell me that the desktop somehow keeps multiple backups and if
>so, how do I retrieve my list?  I could reconstruct it, but I really
>don't want to!
>
>Jen


Yep, go to your palm directory, then your user directory.  In there should 
be a folder called Shadowplan160, and a subdirectory called.....BACKUP!  In 
there are multiple backups of your xml files.  Just exchange the extention 
(which is .1, .2 etc) with .xml, move it into the shadowplan160 directory, 
open in the desktop and upload it back to your palm.   I think I got this 
all right.  Don't currently use the desktop much.

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 7:33pm
Subject: Re: Help! Conduit chewed up my list!

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> The conduit just screwed up one of my lists-- half of the data is
> gone. Please tell me that the desktop somehow keeps multiple backups
> and if so, how do I retrieve my list?  I could reconstruct it, but I
> really don't want to!

	Garg. That'll be fixed first thing, once I get a few people off my
back. I promise. Fortunately very rare.

	The desktop keeps multiple abckups, and chances are low the
desktop's current version is munched. (ie: The desktop is pretty self
protective). Is the desktop one good? If so, just renamr or delete on the
handheld, and ask the desktop to send up its copy. If no good, then look
in the Backup directory in your ShadowPlan160 folder, and you'll find .0
anmd .1 and .2 and other files.. those are rolled backups. ie: When you
synch, the current .xml becomes .0 in Backup, an the .0 becomes .1,
etc. So you shoudl have a few backups of each file. 

	Lastly, if you have the broen pdb, sometiems the data can be
extracted out.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 6, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: RE: Help! Conduit chewed up my list!

I tried the Desktop thing, found the backups after I sent my message.
But not matter how I tried, I couldn't get the file to install to my
Clie. Could be because I turned Shadow sync off completely, though I
just tried to install the file with the install tool? Finally I used
MSImport to send the file directly to my memory stick, Teal Mover to
send it to RAM, and then reconstructed my list from there-- the part of
the file the conduit didn't chew contained the most recent data.

I've never had any problems at all with syncing, so I don't know what
happened. Never really use the desktop, so I guess the conduit has been
more for backing up. When this happened, HotSync stopped at Shadow, and
after a bit HotSync Manager simply crashed. No error message, but it ate
my list with all of my grad school reading assignments!

Jen

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From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:3