From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 0:56am
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:

> What if all the applet did was to write the file name, filter, and 
> view in a PDB file and the immediately launched Shadow.  Shadow could 
> read the file and do its processing.  If the user changed the file, 

	That wouldn't be how it would be done; but more important is how
does the other app know what views exist, so that it can display them to
you to pick, to write into your pdb? :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 0:57am
Subject: Re: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, msharnden wrote:

> Yup, that's what is strange. I'm used to breaking things by fiddling 
> around with things. :-)

> > 	Were you in a file, or the file selection screen, when you 
> last
> > used Shadow and exitted? If in a file, you could use Filez or the 
> like to
> > rename that file temporarily, and that way fortce Shadow back to 
> the file
> > selection screen in case that file is somehow the problem. IF 
> totally
> > stuck, we can remove some of the more temporary files (like Tags, 
> etc),
> > though I'd hate to do that.
> 
> I renamed the files I was last using, now the device simply resets 
> itself whenever I try to start Shadow. No error messages or anything. 
> Let me know what other files I should try to remove/rename. 

	Sounds like something funny is going on. Do a fresh install of the
.prc onto your handheld, for one. Got any speedups or security apps (hack
or otherwise) set up?

	Got another version of the app on an expansion card?

	When it starts, it fetches its prefs, the filters and views and
history, and then the last file if applicable. You can remove the
ShadCache, ShadFilters, ShadViews and ShadTags if you need to :/ (rename
them!)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: dionv  <dionv@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:41am
Subject: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

As always, a great product Jeff. Can you stand one more feature request?

After spending a month looking for software to track my time spent on
various tasks through the day I realized that I already had the
beginnings of such a beast. I'm already tracking my projects and such
in ShadowPlan, why duplicate the effort by tracking the time spent on
those projects in another product.

So, would it be possible (or rather, would you be willing) to add a
timer function to ShadowPlan?

Sure, one could open the details for each task and do <Shortcut>dts to
get the time and date into the note, but what if the note is already
being used for something? Plus, using the note would not offer a tally
of time spent.

I've seen time tracking software that implement their timers in one of
two ways:

1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee break,
etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)

2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) (Like
TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)

Being able to export this information would, of course be needed, but
 I suppose it could be part of the export feature already in ShadowPlan.

Anyone else interested in such functionality being added to an already
great product?

Dion

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:46am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

i would use it if the ability were right there to also stop and start again, as i get lots of interruptions while working on a matter, but it would be great convenience to have that time tracking ability right there as i have the to do item open.
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dionv 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:41 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan



  As always, a great product Jeff. Can you stand one more feature request?

  After spending a month looking for software to track my time spent on
  various tasks through the day I realized that I already had the
  beginnings of such a beast. I'm already tracking my projects and such
  in ShadowPlan, why duplicate the effort by tracking the time spent on
  those projects in another product.

  So, would it be possible (or rather, would you be willing) to add a
  timer function to ShadowPlan?

  Sure, one could open the details for each task and do <Shortcut>dts to
  get the time and date into the note, but what if the note is already
  being used for something? Plus, using the note would not offer a tally
  of time spent.

  I've seen time tracking software that implement their timers in one of
  two ways:

  1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
  8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee break,
  etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)

  2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
  45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) (Like
  TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)

  Being able to export this information would, of course be needed, but
  I suppose it could be part of the export feature already in ShadowPlan.

  Anyone else interested in such functionality being added to an already
  great product?

  Dion


        Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
              ADVERTISEMENT
             
       

  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com



  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:35am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, dionv wrote:

> 1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
> 8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee break,
> etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)

	I suppose a weighting column could handle this (with parental
summation). Or a misc-field with @sum type operation. OR use tags and
manually add them up.

> 2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
> 45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) (Like
> TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)

	Wish one coudl invoke something like that separetly, and have
Shadow pick up the results.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:44am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

I don't think the app would pick up the shadow links to datebook but 
I'm going to try this with Titrax

It's a bit tedious (misc text fields would be great down the 
road ; )     but if you copy from shadow and paste into Titrax--that 
would do your tracking for you but I'm not sure if it would let you 
go back to shadow easily?  You can also log titrax to the datebook 
as entries --Titrax works best with Datebk3-5 because it can log 
appts by the minute.  Wouldn't have a shadow link to datebk that way 
hmmmm. 

Titrax is freeware last time I checked www.titrax.com
should be on palmgear too. 

Paul 



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, dionv wrote:
> 
> > 1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
> > 8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee 
break,
> > etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)
> 
> 	I suppose a weighting column could handle this (with parental
> summation). Or a misc-field with @sum type operation. OR use tags 
and
> manually add them up.
> 
> > 2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
> > 45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) 
(Like
> > TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)
> 
> 	Wish one coudl invoke something like that separetly, and have
> Shadow pick up the results.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:51am
Subject: Re: shadow and GTD

Shadow is great for @Agenda lists!  Especially with the "send to 
file " feature .   I keep a separate file for my boss and shoot 
things to his list all the time.  I keep another shadow file for 
general work related agendas and another for personal agendas. 

If an item needs to be on more than one persons list you can just 
copy and "paste as child " under each one of the needed names --and 
with the great "link to to do check box " it's easy to activate any 
of them when needed. : )

I tried the individual to do for each person but the note screen and 
all the cutting and pasting got too cumbersome. 

YMMV

Paul 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> Hi Bill.  I am working with Meg Gott (a coach from DavidCo) and 
what she 
> suggested I do is create a category called @Agenda and have a 
single todo 
> item for each of my contexts.  Then I put the items to talk about 
as part 
> of a note for that context.  When I am meeting with a colleague I 
can bring 
> up the item with my agenda for that colleague.  The idea is that 
if one of 
> these agenda items becomes actionable (beyond having the 
conversation) it 
> becomes a separate to do item.  This works for me, but if you have 
lots of 
> those contexts, I could imagine you doing an @Agenda outline in 
Shadow 
> similar to the way I have implemented @Project.  Then each context 
would be 
> a top level item in @Agenda with whatever structure you want 
> underneath.  For me, the simpler approach of putting the agenda as 
a note 
> works well.
> 
> best,
> 
> George
> 
> At 08:47 PM 8/1/02 +0000, you wrote:
> >Thank you.  This sounds like a simple and clever approach along 
the
> >lines of what I'm looking for.  Do you have separate @ categories 
in
> >ToDo for agenda type contexts (e.g., people, committees, etc.)?  I
> >have a lot of these contexts.
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> > > I, too, was using LB and think its a great app but ran into 
similar
> >issues
> > > to those you describe.  I now use a combination of Shadow and 
the
> >Palm todo
> > > list.  here is a quick sketch of my approach:
> > >
> > > all next actions and someday/maybes go in the Palm To Do.  I 
use a
> >small
> > > set of categories to organize these by context.  When at the
> >computer, for
> > > example, I have a category called @Computer.
> > >
> > > I store my project list and check lists in Shadow.  For the 
project
> >list,
> > > Each project is a top level item in the list.  All notes, 
ideas,
> >might do,
> > > future actions are stored as subheadings of the project.  The 
next
> >action
> > > or actions for a project are linked to the todo list, so they
> >appear under
> > > the project in Shadow, but also appear on the todo list.  This
> >allows me to
> > > use the Todo list for an action-oriented view and Shadow for a
> >project
> > > oriented view.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > At 09:04 PM 7/30/02 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Thank you for posting this. I didn't initiate this thread, 
but I
> >too
> > > >am seeking something relatively simple.  I'm new to Shadow 
(and
> >still
> > > >assessing its suitability for my needs) and have been using 
LB for
> > > >GTD.  I need to organize isolated action items,agenda, 
projects,
> >etc.
> > > >and to display next actions by context, ranked by priority 
and due
> > > >date.  LB accomplished all this but I found the ranking 
process to
> >be
> > > >not transparent enough (i.e., too cumbersome) and I didn't 
find the
> > > >balancing pie to be useful for my purposes.  I recognize that
> >Shadow
> > > >is extremely powerful and has much more functionality than I
> >need.  I
> > > >am trying to avoid increasing complexity further by using 
multiple
> > > >applications as described in this thread.  I am really trying 
to
> > > >assess whether there is a relatively simple way to use Shadow 
as
> >the
> > > >single app for my todo/project needs.  I would very much 
appreciate
> > > >any help that anyone can provide to get me started that 
explains a
> > > >simple way to structure categories, lists, and tags to 
accomplish
> > > >these goals.
> > > >Thanks.
> > > >Bill
> > > >
> > > >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Frederick G. Turner" <fred@s...>
> >wrote:
> > > > > I'm reposting an edited version of Jorge Ledesma's
> > > > > (jledesma28@y...) original GTD method post (originally 
posted to
> > > > > the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group:
> > > > >
> > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > Fred.
> > > > >
> > > > > ............ Jorge's original message (sorry for the
> >paraphrasing)
> > > > > ...................
> > > > > Applications used: DateBk5, ActionNames, Shadow, Mega 
Wiki, Mega
> > > > > Launcher,
> > > > >   Crypto Pad, Quick Memo, Bug Me(all shareware except 
Crypto and
> > > > > MegaWiki).
> > > > >
> > > > > All my todo's and appt are handled and sorted thru Shadow,
> >where I
> > > > > highlight
> > > > >   and filter by priority. My main list is called Main Task 
List
> > > >with the
> > > > > following parents:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Next Action
> > > > > * Current Action
> > > > > * Finance & Bills
> > > > > * Home & Family
> > > > > * Physics
> > > > > * DAT Study Schedule
> > > > > * Clie & GTD
> > > > > * General Sometime Maybe
> > > > > * Master Input Template
> > > > >
> > > > > Under Next Action, Current Action, F & B, H & F, Cie & GTD 
I
> >have
> > > >the
> > > > > following
> > > > >   children:
> > > > > This Week, This Month, This Quarter, all the main setups 
are
> >under
> > > > > Custom
> > > > >   (as you know you can change on command) but I re-sort it
> >under the
> > > > > Note View
> > > > >   or Flat View -- I find it easier on the eyes and I use
> >bullets for
> > > > > everything.
> > > > >   I highlight priority with the red colors and it just 
shines
> >thru
> > > >on my
> > > > > Clie
> > > > >   610C.
> > > > >
> > > > > So my Shadow MTL looks very sharp, I supplement SP with 
Font
> >Hack
> > > >with
> > > > > Lubak's
> > > > >   fonts, amazing, crisp and clear, I use Handera 18B on the
> > > >standard and
> > > > > hr standard
> > > > >   with the symbols allocated properly, refer to his site 
for
> > > > > instruction, I either
> > > > >   link thru Shadow's link system or MW depending on the
> >situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Onto DBK5: DBK5 has some features that are simply 
incredible --
> > > >custom
> > > > > views,
> > > > >   eg. Birthday, Class Schedule, Dat Study Plan, etc. I have
> > > >configured
> > > > > my hard
> > > > >   buttons the following way: the datebook=DBK5, 
address=ActNms,
> > > > > todo=Shadow, memo=Quick Memo or Crypto Pad. On DBK5, I use 
the
> >view
> > > >that
> > > > > shows the week, biweekly, and 3-day view as my startup view
> >since I
> > > > > don't like ActNm's comparable view, grid 1 and grid 2.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also use the List view all my categories showing for both
> > > >appts/todos,
> > > > > all fonts are black and bold, very clear (I use Lubak's OS5
> >fonts
> > > >here).
> > > > > I like Dbk5 month/year views very nice to get a quick 
glance at
> > > >things
> > > > > eg, vacations or whatever you put with bold or big fonts.
> > > > >
> > > > > From Shadow, let's say I have to input something really 
quick
> >and I
> > > > > don't have to time to sort it into the correct list, here 
comes
> > > >Master
> > > > > Input Template:  I write it there or sometime if I'm on 
the go I
> > > >use Bug
> > > > > Me with an alarm for a couple hours so I have to time to
> >advance any
> > > > > ideas or thoughts that I wrote down quickly, works very 
well
> > > >because I
> > > > > don't have to sort immediately; once I have some time I 
quickly
> >use
> > > > > Shadow's Multi Clip function to paste where I want eg. 
Current
> > > >Action,
> > > > > this week, this month, this quarter, whatever. When I'm 
ready to
> > > >take
> > > > > action, I move it to Next Action with a set date for a 
todo or
> >a set
> > > > > time for an appt./meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I want to use a memo I use Crypto pad and then store it 
with
> > > >Quick
> > > > > Memo (their newest version imports directly from Crypto or 
Memo,
> > > >same
> > > > > thing, so its got a nice windows interface and its easy to
> >retrieve
> > > >any
> > > > > memos, eg. Registration Codes, for all the apps, Personal, 
Work,
> > > >School,
> > > > > you get the picture.
> > > > > ...........................................
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
> > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Frederick G. Turner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In May, there was a really thorough (long?) post by 
Jorge
> > > > > > Ledesma on
> > > > > > > the GtD_Palm list on Yahoo Groups about how he had
> > > > > > implemented the GTD
> > > > > > > method in Shadow, together with db5 and a slew of other
> >apps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps he could repost; if not, I'll look around, as 
I have
> > > >that
> > > > > > > stashed somewhere...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Or search the yahoogroups archives?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       If you find it, send it over to shadow-tips :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >             jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > Fred.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Marcia [mailto:creink@y...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've had Shadow for a while now, off and on my 
palm.  I
> >just
> > > > > > > > dl'ed 2.5 and I want to give it a try again.  I am a
> > > > > > > > registered user.  Can someone who uses GTD with 
Shadow
> >email
> > > > > > > > me privately and help me out?  I want to use it to 
help me
> > > > > > > > follow jobs I am doing and make my life easier but I 
don'
> >t
> > > > > > > > want to muck up this list with any OT stuff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marcia
> > > > > > > > I finally caught up with yesterday....by tomorrow I
> >should be
> > > > > > > > ready for today.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > > > > > ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk 
Free!
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> 
><<http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us
.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us.cl
> >ick.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------
-----
> >----
> > > > > > > > -------~->
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > > > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > > > >
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > > >
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in 
your
> > > > > > own micro circuits without permission from 'Master 
Control
> > > > > > Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play 
games....
> > > > > > Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > > > ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free!
> > > > > >
> > > >
> 
><<http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us
.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us.cl
> >ick.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
-----
> > > > > > -------~->
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > >
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > >ADVERTISEMENT
> > > >
> > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > >shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> > > 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
/>Y 
> > ahoo! Terms of Service.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >ADVERTISEMENT
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the 
> ><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: msharnden  <mike@r...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:20am
Subject: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

Whew, got it working. Renaming the cache, filter, tags, etc didn't 
work. So I started renaming all of the lists that I had. The strange 
thing was, it was a list that hadn't been modified in 4 days. I just 
happy to be back up and listing again.

Thanks for the help Jeff!

Mike

From: msharnden  <mike@r...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:32am
Subject: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "msharnden" <mike@r...> wrote:
> Whew, got it working. Renaming the cache, filter, tags, etc didn't 
> work. So I started renaming all of the lists that I had. The 
strange 
> thing was, it was a list that hadn't been modified in 4 days. I 
just 
> happy to be back up and listing again.
> 
> Thanks for the help Jeff!
> 
> Mike

Ooops, spoke to soon. I still have a list or two (I haven't checked 
them all yet) that is corrupt. It crashes the OS when I try to open 
the list. Is there a way to recover the data from these? Of course it 
has to be my to do list. I was just starting to experiment with tags 
and views with this list. Could that be part of the problem?

From: wbornstein  <wbornstein@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: shadow and GTD

That sounds good.  This is one thing that had worked well for me in 
LB.  I had read on the GTD website that David Allen keeps a ToDo for 
each agenda item and uses the note field, but for the reasons you 
describe, that doesn't appeal to me.

Thanks for the tips.

Bill

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "paulbcf" <ext555@p...> wrote:
> Shadow is great for @Agenda lists!  Especially with the "send to 
> file " feature .   I keep a separate file for my boss and shoot 
> things to his list all the time.  I keep another shadow file for 
> general work related agendas and another for personal agendas. 
> 
> If an item needs to be on more than one persons list you can just 
> copy and "paste as child " under each one of the needed names --and 
> with the great "link to to do check box " it's easy to activate any 
> of them when needed. : )
> 
> I tried the individual to do for each person but the note screen 
and 
> all the cutting and pasting got too cumbersome. 
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Paul 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> > Hi Bill.  I am working with Meg Gott (a coach from DavidCo) and 
> what she 
> > suggested I do is create a category called @Agenda and have a 
> single todo 
> > item for each of my contexts.  Then I put the items to talk about 
> as part 
> > of a note for that context.  When I am meeting with a colleague I 
> can bring 
> > up the item with my agenda for that colleague.  The idea is that 
> if one of 
> > these agenda items becomes actionable (beyond having the 
> conversation) it 
> > becomes a separate to do item.  This works for me, but if you 
have 
> lots of 
> > those contexts, I could imagine you doing an @Agenda outline in 
> Shadow 
> > similar to the way I have implemented @Project.  Then each 
context 
> would be 
> > a top level item in @Agenda with whatever structure you want 
> > underneath.  For me, the simpler approach of putting the agenda 
as 
> a note 
> > works well.
> > 
> > best,
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > At 08:47 PM 8/1/02 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Thank you.  This sounds like a simple and clever approach along 
> the
> > >lines of what I'm looking for.  Do you have separate @ 
categories 
> in
> > >ToDo for agenda type contexts (e.g., people, committees, etc.)?  
I
> > >have a lot of these contexts.
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> > > > I, too, was using LB and think its a great app but ran into 
> similar
> > >issues
> > > > to those you describe.  I now use a combination of Shadow and 
> the
> > >Palm todo
> > > > list.  here is a quick sketch of my approach:
> > > >
> > > > all next actions and someday/maybes go in the Palm To Do.  I 
> use a
> > >small
> > > > set of categories to organize these by context.  When at the
> > >computer, for
> > > > example, I have a category called @Computer.
> > > >
> > > > I store my project list and check lists in Shadow.  For the 
> project
> > >list,
> > > > Each project is a top level item in the list.  All notes, 
> ideas,
> > >might do,
> > > > future actions are stored as subheadings of the project.  The 
> next
> > >action
> > > > or actions for a project are linked to the todo list, so they
> > >appear under
> > > > the project in Shadow, but also appear on the todo list.  This
> > >allows me to
> > > > use the Todo list for an action-oriented view and Shadow for a
> > >project
> > > > oriented view.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > At 09:04 PM 7/30/02 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Thank you for posting this. I didn't initiate this thread, 
> but I
> > >too
> > > > >am seeking something relatively simple.  I'm new to Shadow 
> (and
> > >still
> > > > >assessing its suitability for my needs) and have been using 
> LB for
> > > > >GTD.  I need to organize isolated action items,agenda, 
> projects,
> > >etc.
> > > > >and to display next actions by context, ranked by priority 
> and due
> > > > >date.  LB accomplished all this but I found the ranking 
> process to
> > >be
> > > > >not transparent enough (i.e., too cumbersome) and I didn't 
> find the
> > > > >balancing pie to be useful for my purposes.  I recognize that
> > >Shadow
> > > > >is extremely powerful and has much more functionality than I
> > >need.  I
> > > > >am trying to avoid increasing complexity further by using 
> multiple
> > > > >applications as described in this thread.  I am really 
trying 
> to
> > > > >assess whether there is a relatively simple way to use 
Shadow 
> as
> > >the
> > > > >single app for my todo/project needs.  I would very much 
> appreciate
> > > > >any help that anyone can provide to get me started that 
> explains a
> > > > >simple way to structure categories, lists, and tags to 
> accomplish
> > > > >these goals.
> > > > >Thanks.
> > > > >Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Frederick G. Turner" <fred@s...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > I'm reposting an edited version of Jorge Ledesma's
> > > > > > (jledesma28@y...) original GTD method post (originally 
> posted to
> > > > > > the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > Fred.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ............ Jorge's original message (sorry for the
> > >paraphrasing)
> > > > > > ...................
> > > > > > Applications used: DateBk5, ActionNames, Shadow, Mega 
> Wiki, Mega
> > > > > > Launcher,
> > > > > >   Crypto Pad, Quick Memo, Bug Me(all shareware except 
> Crypto and
> > > > > > MegaWiki).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All my todo's and appt are handled and sorted thru Shadow,
> > >where I
> > > > > > highlight
> > > > > >   and filter by priority. My main list is called Main 
Task 
> List
> > > > >with the
> > > > > > following parents:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Next Action
> > > > > > * Current Action
> > > > > > * Finance & Bills
> > > > > > * Home & Family
> > > > > > * Physics
> > > > > > * DAT Study Schedule
> > > > > > * Clie & GTD
> > > > > > * General Sometime Maybe
> > > > > > * Master Input Template
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Under Next Action, Current Action, F & B, H & F, Cie & 
GTD 
> I
> > >have
> > > > >the
> > > > > > following
> > > > > >   children:
> > > > > > This Week, This Month, This Quarter, all the main setups 
> are
> > >under
> > > > > > Custom
> > > > > >   (as you know you can change on command) but I re-sort it
> > >under the
> > > > > > Note View
> > > > > >   or Flat View -- I find it easier on the eyes and I use
> > >bullets for
> > > > > > everything.
> > > > > >   I highlight priority with the red colors and it just 
> shines
> > >thru
> > > > >on my
> > > > > > Clie
> > > > > >   610C.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So my Shadow MTL looks very sharp, I supplement SP with 
> Font
> > >Hack
> > > > >with
> > > > > > Lubak's
> > > > > >   fonts, amazing, crisp and clear, I use Handera 18B on 
the
> > > > >standard and
> > > > > > hr standard
> > > > > >   with the symbols allocated properly, refer to his site 
> for
> > > > > > instruction, I either
> > > > > >   link thru Shadow's link system or MW depending on the
> > >situation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Onto DBK5: DBK5 has some features that are simply 
> incredible --
> > > > >custom
> > > > > > views,
> > > > > >   eg. Birthday, Class Schedule, Dat Study Plan, etc. I 
have
> > > > >configured
> > > > > > my hard
> > > > > >   buttons the following way: the datebook=DBK5, 
> address=ActNms,
> > > > > > todo=Shadow, memo=Quick Memo or Crypto Pad. On DBK5, I 
use 
> the
> > >view
> > > > >that
> > > > > > shows the week, biweekly, and 3-day view as my startup 
view
> > >since I
> > > > > > don't like ActNm's comparable view, grid 1 and grid 2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also use the List view all my categories showing for 
both
> > > > >appts/todos,
> > > > > > all fonts are black and bold, very clear (I use Lubak's 
OS5
> > >fonts
> > > > >here).
> > > > > > I like Dbk5 month/year views very nice to get a quick 
> glance at
> > > > >things
> > > > > > eg, vacations or whatever you put with bold or big fonts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From Shadow, let's say I have to input something really 
> quick
> > >and I
> > > > > > don't have to time to sort it into the correct list, here 
> comes
> > > > >Master
> > > > > > Input Template:  I write it there or sometime if I'm on 
> the go I
> > > > >use Bug
> > > > > > Me with an alarm for a couple hours so I have to time to
> > >advance any
> > > > > > ideas or thoughts that I wrote down quickly, works very 
> well
> > > > >because I
> > > > > > don't have to sort immediately; once I have some time I 
> quickly
> > >use
> > > > > > Shadow's Multi Clip function to paste where I want eg. 
> Current
> > > > >Action,
> > > > > > this week, this month, this quarter, whatever. When I'm 
> ready to
> > > > >take
> > > > > > action, I move it to Next Action with a set date for a 
> todo or
> > >a set
> > > > > > time for an appt./meeting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I want to use a memo I use Crypto pad and then store 
it 
> with
> > > > >Quick
> > > > > > Memo (their newest version imports directly from Crypto 
or 
> Memo,
> > > > >same
> > > > > > thing, so its got a nice windows interface and its easy to
> > >retrieve
> > > > >any
> > > > > > memos, eg. Registration Codes, for all the apps, 
Personal, 
> Work,
> > > > >School,
> > > > > > you get the picture.
> > > > > > ...........................................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
> > > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Frederick G. Turner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In May, there was a really thorough (long?) post by 
> Jorge
> > > > > > > Ledesma on
> > > > > > > > the GtD_Palm list on Yahoo Groups about how he had
> > > > > > > implemented the GTD
> > > > > > > > method in Shadow, together with db5 and a slew of 
other
> > >apps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps he could repost; if not, I'll look around, as 
> I have
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > stashed somewhere...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >       Or search the yahoogroups archives?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >       If you find it, send it over to shadow-tips :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >             jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > Fred.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Marcia [mailto:creink@y...]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've had Shadow for a while now, off and on my 
> palm.  I
> > >just
> > > > > > > > > dl'ed 2.5 and I want to give it a try again.  I am a
> > > > > > > > > registered user.  Can someone who uses GTD with 
> Shadow
> > >email
> > > > > > > > > me privately and help me out?  I want to use it to 
> help me
> > > > > > > > > follow jobs I am doing and make my life easier but 
I 
> don'
> > >t
> > > > > > > > > want to muck up this list with any OT stuff.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Marcia
> > > > > > > > > I finally caught up with yesterday....by tomorrow I
> > >should be
> > > > > > > > > ready for today.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > > > > > > ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk 
> Free!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > 
> 
><<http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us
> .click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us.cl
> > >ick.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
-
> -----
> > >----
> > > > > > > > > -------~->
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > > > > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > > > > >
> > 
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
> />http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > > > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > > > >
> > 
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
> />http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in 
> your
> > > > > > > own micro circuits without permission from 'Master 
> Control
> > > > > > > Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play 
> games....
> > > > > > > Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > > > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > > > > ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk 
Free!
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > 
> 
><<http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us
> .click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM>http://us.cl
> > >ick.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9rHolB/TM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------
-
> -----
> > > > > > > -------~->
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > > > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > > >
> > 
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
> />http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > >ADVERTISEMENT
> > > > >
> > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > > >shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
> > > > 
> 
><<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
> />Y 
> > > ahoo! Terms of Service.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > >ADVERTISEMENT
> > >
> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the 
> > ><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: saverio_maviglia  <GIUDBYVGVWWG@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 3:53pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

I used to program extensively, but never on the Palm, so I don't 
know.  However, is there some way you could recycle the code in 
Shadow that does these functions?  Perhaps at the time views are 
created/edited, there could be a function to create a corresponding 
launching-applet.  To simplify matters, you could have the applet 
specify only the view, and just use the currently opened Shadow file 
at the time the applet is executed.  In that case, maybe the only 
thing that has to be changed between applets is the applet name, like 
with DateBk.  Again, I am brainstorming without the benefit of 
knowing how either the Palm OS or Shadow really work.  However, I 
would find it extremely useful to have one large file of projects 
that can be quickly launched with any of a few different views.
-saverio

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
> 
> > What if all the applet did was to write the file name, filter, 
and 
> > view in a PDB file and the immediately launched Shadow.  Shadow 
could 
> > read the file and do its processing.  If the user changed the 
file, 
> 
> 	That wouldn't be how it would be done; but more important is 
how
> does the other app know what views exist, so that it can display 
them to
> you to pick, to write into your pdb? :)
> 
> 		jeff

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: Re: enhancement request: drawing

OK: TealNotes is a hack that enables you to insert a drawing in records in 
various apps; initially in the built-in apps (in AddressBook, for a 
location map; in ToDo to show the exact shape of the widget that you add to 
your shopping list; in MemoPad as an outline of whatever you are designing; 
etc) but also in various other apps.  I use it in Hi-Note and ShadowPlan; I 
don't think I've used it in many others yet, but I haven't yet come across 
a "text-entry" app that TealNote does NOT work in

When in your relevant Address, ToDo, DateBook item or Memo, you simply 
launch TealNote (I normally use shortcut+i, but there are various "launch 
methods", and it inserts a "screen-within-a-screen" into which you can put 
your drawing (and text, shading, etc). Once the drawing is finished, click 
on "OK" and the screen re-draws to leave the drawing embedded in the Memo 
or whatever

I think it is great (though I barely use it to its full potential)

The great benefit is that you do NOT need to jump out of the app you are 
using: TealNote embeds the drawing within the app's record. You can also 
access the TealNote database through Hackmaster or whatever, if you need 
to, but in normal use you would go to the ShadowPlan list for your house 
extension, find the relevant entry, open it (I have only tried putting the 
TealNote drawings in notes, mind you) and there is the drawing of the 
garage door hinge or whatever

I hope this is clear and not too long-winded!

At 15:33 02/08/2002 +0000, Alex.Fung.Ho-san wrote:
>Can you briefly explain what you mean by using TealNotes in other
>applications? I suppose you draw pictures using TN, and what has it
>to do with SP? That is, what exactly is "using TN in SP"? Do I jump
>from SP into TN and TN back to SP with the picture linked at an SP
>list item?

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.0, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:26pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

I'm intrigued.

Jeff, programmatically you can receive the view ID in the matchCustom field
in GoToParamsType to open the specified file and apply the view, no?  Or do
you already have another way built-in to do that?  I can see a Desk Accesory
type app to both set up and jump to the file/view/filter combo.  Of course,
you'd have to spill the beans on the internals of ShadViews...hmmm...

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] launching applets


> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
>
> > Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> > configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
> > and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
> > combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
> > EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  Jeff,
> > is something like that easy to implement?
>
> Tough to implement, in that each *other* app would have to know
> how to invoke Shadow for each view, etc, and woudl need to know how to
> query the view listing, to let you set up the views in those apps. So its
> not too much work on Shadows side, but lots of work for a lot of other
> people.
>
> jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, msharnden wrote:

> Ooops, spoke to soon. I still have a list or two (I haven't checked
> them all yet) that is corrupt. It crashes the OS when I try to open
> the list. Is there a way to recover the data from these? Of course it
> has to be my to do list. I was just starting to experiment with tags
> and views with this list. Could that be part of the problem?

	Strange; Shadow is very stable.. I've never heard of a file
crashign the unit.

	I will be adding a repair operation ot the desktop in awhile.

	For now, if you like, given a pdb file I can extract all the text
for you, to import back in. If you have the desktop and an XML backup, you
can make a new pdb to upload, too, or have the desktop upload it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:

> I used to program extensively, but never on the Palm, so I don't 
> know.  However, is there some way you could recycle the code in 
> Shadow that does these functions?  Perhaps at the time views are 
> created/edited, there could be a function to create a corresponding 
> launching-applet.  To simplify matters, you could have the applet 
> specify only the view, and just use the currently opened Shadow file 
> at the time the applet is executed.  In that case, maybe the only 
> thing that has to be changed between applets is the applet name, like 
> with DateBk.  Again, I am brainstorming without the benefit of 
> knowing how either the Palm OS or Shadow really work.  However, I 
> would find it extremely useful to have one large file of projects 
> that can be quickly launched with any of a few different views.

	See, it bloats into a lot of work, is what I'm saying ;)

	If your launcher is smart enough, you can launch Shadow by
file.. that can help. Or use MegaWiki and Piki to do launchign Shadow into
specific places..

		jeff

> -saverio
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
> > 
> > > What if all the applet did was to write the file name, filter, 
> and 
> > > view in a PDB file and the immediately launched Shadow.  Shadow 
> could 
> > > read the file and do its processing.  If the user changed the 
> file, 
> > 
> > 	That wouldn't be how it would be done; but more important is 
> how
> > does the other app know what views exist, so that it can display 
> them to
> > you to pick, to write into your pdb? :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: enhancement request: drawing

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> OK: TealNotes is a hack that enables you to insert a drawing in
> records in various apps; initially in the built-in apps (in
> AddressBook, for a location map; in ToDo to show the exact shape of
> the widget that you add to your shopping list; in MemoPad as an
> outline of whatever you are designing;  etc) but also in various other
> apps.  I use it in Hi-Note and ShadowPlan; I don't think I've used it
> in many others yet, but I haven't yet come across a "text-entry" app
> that TealNote does NOT work in

	Does anyone know if it works in high res yet? It used to do
terrible things on high res units in the past..

> I hope this is clear and not too long-winded!

	I tried TealNote in the past; I think I'll try it again, see if it
works in high res. I loved it :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> I'm intrigued.
> 
> Jeff, programmatically you can receive the view ID in the matchCustom field
> in GoToParamsType to open the specified file and apply the view, no?  Or do

	Sure, exactly what I meant; it wouldn't be too hard for Shadow to
handle its side -- receive a view-id or a filter-id or the like, through
any number of means. It woudl be custom for Shadow, since its Shadow Views
and such anyway, so might as well use a goto-block and I coudl define a
struct people could send my way.

	But for it to work, Shadow woudl need to receive a view-id (or a
view-name, perhaps, but that woudl be less accurate, a little slower, and
subject to confusion in multiple-similar-names etc). So I'd have to have a
launch code where Shadow returns a struct listing off the View Names and
view-id that corresponds. Then the other app could show a list of views,
and then launch shadow with a goto-request and a view-override or
something.

	So lots of work on both sides. (unless I misunderstand the desired
intent)

> you already have another way built-in to do that?  I can see a Desk
> Accesory type app to both set up and jump to the file/view/filter
> combo.  Of course, you'd have to spill the beans on the internals of
> ShadViews...hmmm...

	I don't mind; Shadow would be open source if I could, but it
can't. (Open source doesnt' pay the bills; Open source and commercial are
complentary and must both exist, though most open-source people haven't
figured it out yet ;)

	jefftired

	(all night data restore... fun :/)

> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] launching applets
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
> >
> > > Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> > > configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
> > > and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
> > > combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
> > > EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  Jeff,
> > > is something like that easy to implement?
> >
> > Tough to implement, in that each *other* app would have to know
> > how to invoke Shadow for each view, etc, and woudl need to know how to
> > query the view listing, to let you set up the views in those apps. So its
> > not too much work on Shadows side, but lots of work for a lot of other
> > people.
> >
> > jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 6:54pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>

> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:
>
> > I'm intrigued.
> >
> > Jeff, programmatically you can receive the view ID in the matchCustom
field
> > in GoToParamsType to open the specified file and apply the view, no?  Or
do
>
> Sure, exactly what I meant; it wouldn't be too hard for Shadow to
> handle its side -- receive a view-id or a filter-id or the like, through
> any number of means. It woudl be custom for Shadow, since its Shadow Views
> and such anyway, so might as well use a goto-block and I coudl define a
> struct people could send my way.
>
> But for it to work, Shadow woudl need to receive a view-id (or a
> view-name, perhaps, but that woudl be less accurate, a little slower, and
> subject to confusion in multiple-similar-names etc). So I'd have to have a
> launch code where Shadow returns a struct listing off the View Names and

Why?  Once ShadViews internals are known, why can't an app just look in
there for the view-id and associated view names?  Then you just need to
handle the view-overide in the goto-request.  Or is there some other magic
that needs to be considered?  Is your view-id the record number in
ShadViews, or the record unique id?

Too much context might have been snipped out...here's the original request
from saverio:

Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  Jeff,
is something like that easy to implement?
-saverio

For those who would use such a utility, how would you envision interacting
with such an app in terms of setting up the list-view combo and jumping to
Shadow with such?

Ling

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:11pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> Why?  Once ShadViews internals are known, why can't an app just look in
> there for the view-id and associated view names?  Then you just need to
> handle the view-overide in the goto-request.  Or is there some other magic
> that needs to be considered?  Is your view-id the record number in
> ShadViews, or the record unique id?

	Publishign ShadViews is one way, but then I'd be limited as to how
I change it; an interface through launchcodes would be more portable in
the future (it would work with OS5), and keeps it more generic. Whatever.
And yeah, each view includes a view-id (not the uniqueID). (I used the
unique-id in the conduit before learning what a mistake that was, since
its only unique until you reset, and is subject to change sometimes, etc)

> Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file

	I've not used DateBk much to know what hes talking about :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Yaakov Shlafman  <shlaf@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

I believe the point is that YOU, Jeff, would create these applets as a
complimentary optional tools for ShadowPlan - many developers do that, e.g.
DateBk5 distribution contains 4 "stub" apps which launch the DateBk5 in a given
view; LapTopHack comes with 10 mini-apps each launching corresponding
LapTopHack script etc.

Better approach is done by LispMe (an open source Scheme programming language
interpreter for Palm).  Here's how that approach would work in the case of SP:
In a dialog, the user selects a view, a filter, enters a name for the "applet",
and then SP would the ".prc" file right on board Palm - with given name, some
standard icon in the App screen.  Tapping that icon would launch the mailland
SP with the given view, filter, list - whatever.  Doable and elegant, imho.

-- Yaakov

--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:
> 
> > Why?  Once ShadViews internals are known, why can't an app just look in
> > there for the view-id and associated view names?  Then you just need to
> > handle the view-overide in the goto-request.  Or is there some other magic
> > that needs to be considered?  Is your view-id the record number in
> > ShadViews, or the record unique id?
> 
> 	Publishign ShadViews is one way, but then I'd be limited as to how
> I change it; an interface through launchcodes would be more portable in
> the future (it would work with OS5), and keeps it more generic. Whatever.
> And yeah, each view includes a view-id (not the uniqueID). (I used the
> unique-id in the conduit before learning what a mistake that was, since
> its only unique until you reset, and is subject to change sometimes, etc)
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
http://health.yahoo.com

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:30pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Yaakov Shlafman wrote:

> I believe the point is that YOU, Jeff, would create these applets as a
> complimentary optional tools for ShadowPlan - many developers do that, e.g.
> DateBk5 distribution contains 4 "stub" apps which launch the DateBk5 in a given
> view; LapTopHack comes with 10 mini-apps each launching corresponding
> LapTopHack script etc.
> 
> Better approach is done by LispMe (an open source Scheme programming language
> interpreter for Palm).  Here's how that approach would work in the case of SP:
> In a dialog, the user selects a view, a filter, enters a name for the "applet",
> and then SP would the ".prc" file right on board Palm - with given name, some
> standard icon in the App screen.  Tapping that icon would launch the mailland
> SP with the given view, filter, list - whatever.  Doable and elegant, imho.

	OKay, sure, this sort of thing is possible (though how I'd do it
woudl be evil ;).

	Given filters, views, and lists can all change and be deleted,
etc, what happens when you invoke the applet and theres an error?

	It would be a little work to create the interface to display
options and to make the applet and all that, so its not on my list of
things to worry about for awhile; desktop must be the focus. Interesting
idea though.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: saverio_maviglia  <GIUDBYVGVWWG@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Russ & Ling" <rnlnero@y...> wrote:
> 
> Too much context might have been snipped out...here's the original 
request
> from saverio:
> 
> Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
> and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
> combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
> EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  
Jeff,
> is something like that easy to implement?
> -saverio
> 
> For those who would use such a utility, how would you envision 
interacting
> with such an app in terms of setting up the list-view combo and 
jumping to
> Shadow with such?
> 
> Ling

I would imagine a function within Shadow, or a separate program on 
the Palm, or even a desktop program, that would accept inputs of file 
name, view name (or id), and perhaps a filter, which would then 
output a PRC or DA that could be installed on the Palm and accessed 
via one of the hardware buttons or as a pen swipe (ie. ala Easylaunch 
+/- Piki), or by a MegaWiki link.  With this in place, I would keep a 
single master Shadow list of multiple projects, but with one or two 
quick clicks or swipes be able to quickly view everything I need 
related to a single project, everything related to a single location 
or context, everything with a certain due date or such, etc.  As it 
stands now, I have projects in separate lists, but cannot view items 
across lists that have the same context filter, for instance.  I 
could just put everything into one Shadow file and continually call 
on different view and filter combinations, but I would love to be 
able to do this all in one step, without first having to launch 
Shadow, load the correct file, choose the desired view, and finally 
apply a filter.

From: saverio_maviglia  <GIUDBYVGVWWG@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Yaakov Shlafman wrote:
> 
> > I believe the point is that YOU, Jeff, would create these applets 
as a
> > complimentary optional tools for ShadowPlan - many developers do 
that, e.g.
> > DateBk5 distribution contains 4 "stub" apps which launch the 
DateBk5 in a given
> > view; LapTopHack comes with 10 mini-apps each launching 
corresponding
> > LapTopHack script etc.
> > 
> > Better approach is done by LispMe (an open source Scheme 
programming language
> > interpreter for Palm).  Here's how that approach would work in 
the case of SP:
> > In a dialog, the user selects a view, a filter, enters a name for 
the "applet",
> > and then SP would the ".prc" file right on board Palm - with 
given name, some
> > standard icon in the App screen.  Tapping that icon would launch 
the mailland
> > SP with the given view, filter, list - whatever.  Doable and 
elegant, imho.
> 
> 	OKay, sure, this sort of thing is possible (though how I'd do 
it
> woudl be evil ;).
> 
> 	Given filters, views, and lists can all change and be deleted,
> etc, what happens when you invoke the applet and theres an error?
> 
> 	It would be a little work to create the interface to display
> options and to make the applet and all that, so its not on my list 
of
> things to worry about for awhile; desktop must be the focus. 
Interesting
> idea though.
> 
> 		jeff


I think the easiest thing would be that if a file is undefined, open 
to the file list.  If the view is undefined, assume no view.  Anyway, 
I think the idea is cool, too, but defer to your prioritization and 
schedule.

Thanks for considering it and thinking out loud with me.

-saverio

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:

> +/- Piki), or by a MegaWiki link.  With this in place, I would keep a 
> single master Shadow list of multiple projects, but with one or two 
> quick clicks or swipes be able to quickly view everything I need 
> related to a single project, everything related to a single location 
> or context, everything with a certain due date or such, etc.  As it 
> stands now, I have projects in separate lists, but cannot view items 
> across lists that have the same context filter, for instance.  I 
> could just put everything into one Shadow file and continually call 
> on different view and filter combinations, but I would love to be 
> able to do this all in one step, without first having to launch 
> Shadow, load the correct file, choose the desired view, and finally 
> apply a filter.

	BTW, Shadow can already "load and goto" a file (if your launcher
can do it); filter can be tied to a view, and changing Views under [V] is
only two taps, so pretty quick. So you can pretty quckly do things
already..

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: shadow and GTD

Quoting George Wyner <gwyner@b...>:

> all next actions and someday/maybes go in the Palm To Do.  I use a small 
> set of categories to organize these by context.  When at the computer, for 
> example, I have a category called @Computer.
> 
> I store my project list and check lists in Shadow.  For the project list, 
> Each project is a top level item in the list.  All notes, ideas, might do, 
> future actions are stored as subheadings of the project.  The next action 
> or actions for a project are linked to the todo list, so they appear under 
> the project in Shadow, but also appear on the todo list.  This allows me to
> 
> use the Todo list for an action-oriented view and Shadow for a project 
> oriented view.

I've recently settled on this same approach I try to keep only my next actions 
in the Palm To Do List. As actions are completed, I sever the link to To Do and 
link whatever the next one is. The main advantage of this approach is that the 
To Do list stays uncluttered, but all your past and future to dos are tracked 
and sorted by project for easy review in Shadow. Also, it retains the 
convenience of always being able to directly access your to do list via the to 
do button.

The downside is that there can be quite a lot of shuttling back and forth 
between Shadow and To Do List to sever and create links and to place to dos in 
the appropriate spot in the Projects list. (I've been meaning to see if 
ShadowLink will make this any easier, but haven't got around to it yet.) I'm 
still experimenting, but I think that some of this work could be done as part 
of a weekly or daily review. This would involve severing the links for all the 
completed todos and importing new todos into the appropriate spot in the 
Projects list in Shadow.

I could probably accomplish the same functionality with tags, filters and 
views, but I like the simplicity and clear sense of separation of distinct 
lists for to dos and projects. Also, until very recently, I was using a Palm 
IIIxe and there was a noticable delay in opening the big projects list. The To 
Do List, on the other hand, would open instantly.

I suppose I could use a second Shadow list instead of todo but then I wouldn't 
be able to use the hardware button to get at my list. I think that the ability 
to link specific Shadow lists to buttons or stylus strokes (which someone has 
slready suggested) would be a really useful feature.

I have To Do List categories for all of my contexts (@computer, @phone, etc.). 
I also have a category each for agendas and waiting fors. The todos in these 
categories all start with the name of the person so they stay together. That 
way I can easily review the items for when I speak to the person. Using a 
single to do for each person and a note for agenda items would work to, but 
then you would lose the ability to link each one back the projects list. When I 
review my projects, I'd like to see that the next action is to speak to someone 
about an issue or to wait for a response on something.

--
Kevin Brown
Somewhere on Earth via webmail
mailto:zephyr@t...

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

Yeah, I have launcher III and I just used Filez to check the lauchable bit, 
now I have icons in my launcher for my main shadow files.

-----------------
	BTW, Shadow can already "load and goto" a file (if your launcher
can do it); filter can be tied to a view, and changing Views under [V] is
only two taps, so pretty quick. So you can pretty quckly do things
already..


_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: 
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 1:42am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

Hi Paul

I've also been experimenting with Titrax and exporting to Datebk 5.  
I've also tried recording times in Titrax, exporting it to Datebk5, 
then used Hours to do something with billing amounts, but that was 
too much trouble.  Datebk allows exports of logged time with a 
calculation, but I haven't really experimented with it (pg 29 of the 
manual).  I already have software that does this in my main time 
costing/billing system, and to move away from it, doesn't make 
sense.  So, I just record it in Titrax and then dictate it together 
with additional information and notes for my PA to do the rest. As 
long as I have a record of the time logged and a notes to remind me, 
I can do the rest later.

I can see where you're coming from though, if you're on the move and 
need to do time based billings while on the move.

To have a stopwatch facility in SP with the ability to notate the 
reason for the time spent when I am out and about and away from the 
main software would be great because my projects (clients) are 
already set up in SP.  Otherwise, Titrax is sufficient for me.

I have already set up tags as time units (there was a good thread 
about this a few weeks ago where this was discussed) in half hour 
blocks that I use to control total time and progress spent on jobs, 
but this is basic project management, not billing information which, 
for me, is not the same thing.

For anyone that is interested, I have a large number of projects, 
they vary in time, but have the same basic 8 steps from start to 
finish.  I'm a tax accountant and most of the work is tax 
compliance.  The main part of each job that is different for each 
client is the preparation of financial data which varies with the 
client and is the point where the over-runs, problems, etc occur. 
Sometimes I need to quote a price for the whole job, but mostly it is 
an expectation of time (which is the basis for the fee) to be spent 
on the job/project and apart from the main part of the job, the 
process around it does not vary much.  Anything outside of this type 
of work is likely to be complex or different and requires case-by-
case controls.

I have set up 2 categories for the time unit tags one called "< 10 
hrs" and the other is called "> 9 hrs" to easily find them, otherwise 
I have to wade through too many tag screens and it gets annoying.

I have also set up a separate list which is a template of these steps 
with saved views and the time tags for the steps that don't vary in 
time already added.  In this list, the parent becomes the client's 
name when I add it to my project list and the children are the steps 
in the process.

To the parent, I add a tag with the total budgeted time to be spent 
and the children have the broken down time.  I use this information 
together with my time tracking reports to review for possible cost 
problems.  I can do this easily because there are only 3 or so tags 
that I need to add up in my head to compare with the time reports if 
things are starting to look bad.  The child where the main part of 
the job occurs, gets special treatment and has notes and tags that 
describe each stage or any problems related to it.  I thought about 
giving this task children of it's own, but I find that tags work 
better and I only give it children if I need to link the action to 
a "todo".  The total time in the parent tag is handy for when I 
compare to the time reports with the SP list collapsed or with 
the "next step" filter.

Jeff, tags and saved views are a real credit to you.

Rita


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "paulbcf" <ext555@p...> wrote:
> I don't think the app would pick up the shadow links to datebook 
but 
> I'm going to try this with Titrax
> 
> It's a bit tedious (misc text fields would be great down the 
> road ; )     but if you copy from shadow and paste into Titrax--
that 
> would do your tracking for you but I'm not sure if it would let you 
> go back to shadow easily?  You can also log titrax to the datebook 
> as entries --Titrax works best with Datebk3-5 because it can log 
> appts by the minute.  Wouldn't have a shadow link to datebk that 
way 
> hmmmm. 
> 
> Titrax is freeware last time I checked www.titrax.com
> should be on palmgear too. 
> 
> Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, dionv wrote:
> > 
> > > 1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
> > > 8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee 
> break,
> > > etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)
> > 
> > 	I suppose a weighting column could handle this (with parental
> > summation). Or a misc-field with @sum type operation. OR use tags 
> and
> > manually add them up.
> > 
> > > 2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent 
(3hr
> > > 45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) 
> (Like
> > > TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)
> > 
> > 	Wish one coudl invoke something like that separetly, and have
> > Shadow pick up the results.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: neilbothams  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:27am
Subject: How to filter based on date created?

Hi

Is there a way to filter items based on when they were created?
The closest I can find is changed/edited.

Neil

From: podemskir  <podemskir@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Keyboard commands

The manual lists only eight keyboard commands.  Are there more?  If 
so, where can I find a complete list?  I use the keyboard for text 
input a lot and would like to minimize the need to tap with the 
stylus?

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: shadow and GTD

I also prefer to use the ToDo app for all and only Next Actions, and 
Shadow for Projects.

I notice that you shy away from using Shadow instead of the ToDo app 
because of the "convenience of always being able to directly access your 
to do list via the to do button." But you can simply program you ToDo 
button to got directly to Shadow if you want.

Kevin Brown wrote:
> 
> I've recently settled on this same approach I try to keep only my next actions 
> in the Palm To Do List. As actions are completed, I sever the link to To Do and 
> link whatever the next one is. The main advantage of this approach is that the 
> To Do list stays uncluttered, but all your past and future to dos are tracked 
> and sorted by project for easy review in Shadow. Also, it retains the 
> convenience of always being able to directly access your to do list via the to 
> do button.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: msharnden  <mike@r...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

OK, crisis solved again (I think).

I installed the problem file from a back up and it works fine now.

I tried all my other files and it was just the one. 

> 	Strange; Shadow is very stable.. I've never heard of a file
> crashign the unit.
> 

Thanks again for the help.
Mike

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:08pm
Subject: Re: How to filter based on date created?

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, neilbothams wrote:

> Is there a way to filter items based on when they were created?
> The closest I can find is changed/edited.

	Custom filters do not yet have a creation-date comparator; sorry
about that. Bug me again in awhile once I've recovered from storm damage
and I'll see about getting it into an alpha.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:09pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard commands

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, podemskir wrote:

> The manual lists only eight keyboard commands.  Are there more?  If
> so, where can I find a complete list?  I use the keyboard for text
> input a lot and would like to minimize the need to tap with the
> stylus?

	Pull down the menus in the application; most menu items have a
keyboard shortcut listed right there in the menu. Also, arrow keys and
page up/down often work, too, as well as fancy keys ont he keyboard (like
New, Cancel, etc)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 2:32am
Subject: Re: Keyboard commands

Jeff,

I was noticing that there's no shortcut for Find. Any chance we can
get one set up?

Thanks.
--
Michael Rudnick                         
egroups@r...

Saturday, August 3, 2002, 6:09:12 PM, you wrote:
JM> On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, podemskir wrote:

JM>       Pull down the menus in the application; most menu items have a
JM> keyboard shortcut listed right there in the menu. Also, arrow keys and
JM> page up/down often work, too, as well as fancy keys ont he keyboard (like
JM> New, Cancel, etc)

From: lrathje  <larsrathje@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:16am
Subject: New from link to datebook?

Hi!

The New from.. feature is very cool. I can get it to work for todo's 
but not for datebook. Either the list is empty or only one or two 
appointments shows up. I use DateBK5 but the problem is there both if 
I set preferences to DateBK5 or DateBook. Anyone who have experienced 
this or can explain what I've missed?

Regards
Lars

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Re: shadow and GTD

Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:

>    Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 10:32:50 -0700
>    From:
>Subject: Re:
>
>I also prefer to use the ToDo app for all and only Next Actions, and
>Shadow for Projects.
>
>I notice that you shy away from using Shadow instead of the ToDo app
>because of the "convenience of always being able to directly access your
>to do list via the to do button." But you can simply program you ToDo
>button to got directly to Shadow if you want.


I know that the to do button can be programmed to go to Shadow. 
Unfortunately, however, it can't (as far as I know and I'd love to be 
corrected on this) be programmed to go to a particular *list* in 
Shadow. It just goes to whatever list you'd been working on last time 
you were in Shadow.


-- 
Kevin Brown
Richmond Hill, Ontario
mailto:zephyr@t...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 0:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Keyboard commands

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> I was noticing that there's no shortcut for Find. Any chance we can
> get one set up?

	Global or local find? Global find has a button on your silkscreen,
and most keyboards have a Find button.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 0:55am
Subject: Re: New from link to datebook?

On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, lrathje wrote:

> The New from.. feature is very cool. I can get it to work for todo's
> but not for datebook. Either the list is empty or only one or two
> appointments shows up. I use DateBK5 but the problem is there both if
> I set preferences to DateBK5 or DateBook. Anyone who have experienced
> this or can explain what I've missed?

	Seems most common for DB5 users; I suspect is has something todo
with database sort order.. try changing sort orders if you can? I will ve
investigating it in awhile.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Pankratz  <bob@r...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:52am
Subject: [Feature Request] Support DateBk5 History DB

Shadow already does a super jobs linking to the Databases.  Datebk5 has 
introduced the history database. Would it be unreasonable to hope that a 
future version of shadow would support the History Database?  It's just 
a different name with the same format as the stock DateBook.pdb with the 
one caveat that the completed Todo's get archived as completed floating 
appointments.

My be issue is I'd like my links to still be valid after a Datebook - 
todo archive to history.  I archive Monthly to keep the datebook fast 
and snappy and to protect my data from sync errors with MS Outlook.

Thoughts?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:09am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Support DateBk5 History DB

On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Bob Pankratz wrote:

> Shadow already does a super jobs linking to the Databases.  Datebk5
> has introduced the history database. Would it be unreasonable to hope
> that a future version of shadow would support the History Database?  
> It's just a different name with the same format as the stock
> DateBook.pdb with the one caveat that the completed Todo's get
> archived as completed floating appointments.

	Maybe sometime, but not soon; ie: the focvus is now the desktop
for a bit, and I'm also trying to not delve too far into any one outside
app and just stick to the standards. (ie: If I focus on DB at all, the AN
people flip out, and vice versa..)

> My be issue is I'd like my links to still be valid after a Datebook -
> todo archive to history.  I archive Monthly to keep the datebook fast
> and snappy and to protect my data from sync errors with MS Outlook.

	Can't be done reliably.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Tim Petro  <ts_petro@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:18pm
Subject:

---------------------------------
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: neilbothams  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: How to...see items parent quickly in a long list?

Hi

My exploration of Shadow continues.

If you have a long list (more than 1 screen) what is the quickest way 
to see the parent or top level item?

Neil

From: neilbothams  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:13pm
Subject: How to ...set up a punch list

Hi

I searched the archive for punch but to no avail.

The idea of a punch list is to be able to temporarily assign a value 
to something.  This could be an order in which you wish to tackle 
things (might be out of priority) that suits today but may not hold 
for tomorrow.

I see that it could be done using tags (some development is needed 
unless I am missing something).

You could create a category of punch tags. Then select tags to 
reflect the order in which you wish to tackle the tasks.  SP already 
lets you filter out items without certain tags but I don't believe 
you can sort them - sort only works with Primary tags!

If anyone has any other ideas let me know!  Anyone think punch list 
sounds a useful approach?

Neil

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 3:50am
Subject: Re: How to ...set up a punch list

-
Tags will sort if they're numbered and they can only be the primary 
tag.   
I use 1-morning , 2-aft,3 eve to sort my daily tasks into each part 
of the day.   Then you can drag them up and down in each section to 
arrange them in the order you want to do them. 

I've not tried it but if you created tags numbered 1-9 I think they 
would sort in order (primary tag means it's the first one applied) 

The simplest way I've found to create a punch list is to change to a 
flat view of the list and just drag the items up and down. 

hope that helps?

Paul 



-- In shadow-discuss@y..., "neilbothams" <neil.bothams@b...> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I searched the archive for punch but to no avail.
> 
> The idea of a punch list is to be able to temporarily assign a 
value 
> to something.  This could be an order in which you wish to tackle 
> things (might be out of priority) that suits today but may not 
hold 
> for tomorrow.
> 
> I see that it could be done using tags (some development is needed 
> unless I am missing something).
> 
> You could create a category of punch tags. Then select tags to 
> reflect the order in which you wish to tackle the tasks.  SP 
already 
> lets you filter out items without certain tags but I don't believe 
> you can sort them - sort only works with Primary tags!
> 
> If anyone has any other ideas let me know!  Anyone think punch 
list 
> sounds a useful approach?
> 
> Neil

From: Joel Riedesel  <joelremote@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 4:17am
Subject: Big with opening a plan on card?

I think this is a bug.

If I open a plan that is on the Card, and then
change the plan's category to a non-card category
(like 'Joel'), then the plan ends up being on both
the card and internal memory (in the Joel category).

The plan on the card is never deleted and becomes unusable
since as soon as you try to open it, ShadowPlan complains
about an existing plan in memory with the same name
(of course)!

Bug?

Joel

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 0:44pm
Subject: Custom filter + Built-in filter in View?

How do I build  a"combined" filter to use in a Saved View?

What I want to see is Next Step Only of Projects (parent item) that has a 
certain tag. Any suggestions for how to do that? What's the "recipe" for the 
build-in Nest Step Only-filter?

TIA
/jonaz

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 2:39pm
Subject: Re: How to ...set up a punch list

On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, neilbothams wrote:

> The idea of a punch list is to be able to temporarily assign a value 
> to something.  This could be an order in which you wish to tackle 
> things (might be out of priority) that suits today but may not hold 
> for tomorrow.
> 
> I see that it could be done using tags (some development is needed 
> unless I am missing something).
> 
> You could create a category of punch tags. Then select tags to 
> reflect the order in which you wish to tackle the tasks.  SP already 
> lets you filter out items without certain tags but I don't believe 
> you can sort them - sort only works with Primary tags!

	Correct; you can change the order of the tags and select a prime
tag, though.

> If anyone has any other ideas let me know!  Anyone think punch list
> sounds a useful approach?

	I think Tags are probably what you want to use; perhaps we need to
improve the tag interface though (rather, I'm sure we do, since its so
new, but how to do so is the big question ;)

	Someone in the past brought up a good idea; a "bring tag category
to top" sort of thing, though it would be brutal on performance :/.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: How to ...set up a punch list

On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, paulbcf wrote:

> Tags will sort if they're numbered and they can only be the primary 
> tag.   

	Not true; tags are grouped, but not sorted. This is a performance
rational. I may make them sort in the future, but right now, they group,
and come out in the order they were created :/

> I use 1-morning , 2-aft,3 eve to sort my daily tasks into each part of
> the day.  Then you can drag them up and down in each section to
> arrange them in the order you want to do them.
> 
> I've not tried it but if you created tags numbered 1-9 I think they 
> would sort in order (primary tag means it's the first one applied) 

	If you create them in the order 1 through 9, yes :)

> The simplest way I've found to create a punch list is to change to a
> flat view of the list and just drag the items up and down.
> 
> hope that helps?

	Whats a punch list?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Big with opening a plan on card?

On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Joel Riedesel wrote:

> I think this is a bug.
> 
> If I open a plan that is on the Card, and then change the plan's
> category to a non-card category (like 'Joel'), then the plan ends up
> being on both the card and internal memory (in the Joel category).
> 
> The plan on the card is never deleted and becomes unusable since as
> soon as you try to open it, ShadowPlan complains about an existing
> plan in memory with the same name (of course)!

	This is correct behaviour; Shadow trusts you know what you're
doing. If its on the card, and you force it to be on internal memory,
Shadow trusts you're hip to it. You can delete it yourself, now that it
has been orphaned. If this is uncool, let me know, but this is how it was
designed :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Custom filter + Built-in filter in View?

On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, jonaz wrote:

> How do I build  a"combined" filter to use in a Saved View?
> 
> What I want to see is Next Step Only of Projects (parent item) that
> has a certain tag. Any suggestions for how to do that? What's the
> "recipe" for the build-in Nest Step Only-filter?

	There is no filter rule for built-in filter (yet). Keep reminding
me and I'll see what I can do. As such, right now, you cannot use "Next
Step Only" in a custom filter.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Joel Riedesel  <joelremote@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 8:51pm
Subject: Re: Big with opening a plan on card?

Perhaps it's just me, but I think this violates
the principle of least surprise.  I've done this a couple
of times and finally started realizing what was going on.
At first I wondered what the 'other' shadow plan was, where
it came from, ec.

Category manipulation is a common occurance, it shouldn't
be 'easy' to do something 'advanced' like I think you are suggesting.

At least require the user to click through a dialog or something
to let them know what they are doing!

My 2 cents.

Joel


> Message: 9
>    Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:42:16 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Big with opening a plan on card?
> 
> On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Joel Riedesel wrote:
> 
> > I think this is a bug.
> > 
> > If I open a plan that is on the Card, and then change the plan's
> > category to a non-card category (like 'Joel'), then the plan ends up
> > being on both the card and internal memory (in the Joel category).
> > 
> > The plan on the card is never deleted and becomes unusable since as
> > soon as you try to open it, ShadowPlan complains about an existing
> > plan in memory with the same name (of course)!
> 
> This is correct behaviour; Shadow trusts you know what you're
> doing. If its on the card, and you force it to be on internal memory,
> Shadow trusts you're hip to it. You can delete it yourself, now that it
> has been orphaned. If this is uncool, let me know, but this is how it was
> designed :)
> 
> jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 9:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Big with opening a plan on card?

On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Joel Riedesel wrote:

> Perhaps it's just me, but I think this violates
> the principle of least surprise.  I've done this a couple
> of times and finally started realizing what was going on.
> At first I wondered what the 'other' shadow plan was, where
> it came from, ec.
> 
> Category manipulation is a common occurance, it shouldn't
> be 'easy' to do something 'advanced' like I think you are suggesting.
> 
> At least require the user to click through a dialog or something
> to let them know what they are doing!

	Hmm, yeah, perhaps a warning .. "are oyu sure you wish to leave a
copy on the card?" or something. I'll note it down,

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Tue Aug 6, 2002 9:55pm
Subject: Re:Keyboard commands

Jeff,

Local find. As you mentioned, Global find is on the keyboard.
--
Michael Rudnick                         
Rudnick Computer Consultants, Inc.
220 Fifth Street; Providence, RI 02906
(401) 272-9262, ext. 11, (401) 351-4002(fax)
egroups@r...

Sunday, August 4, 2002, 8:54:17 PM, you wrote:
JM> On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

>> I was noticing that there's no shortcut for Find. Any chance we can
>> get one set up?

JM>       Global or local find? Global find has a button on your silkscreen,
JM> and most keyboards have a Find button.

JM>             jeff

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 5:42am
Subject: Re: Custom filter + Built-in filter in View?

And there's isn't any other way to achieve the same thing; showing next step  
of items with a parent that has a certain tag (or possibly other "tagging" such 
as a ceratin priority)?

TIA
/jonaz

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, jonaz wrote:
> 
> > How do I build  a"combined" filter to use in a Saved View?
> > 
> > What I want to see is Next Step Only of Projects (parent item) that
> > has a certain tag. Any suggestions for how to do that? What's the
> > "recipe" for the build-in Nest Step Only-filter?
> 
> 	There is no filter rule for built-in filter (yet). Keep reminding
> me and I'll see what I can do. As such, right now, you cannot use "Next
> Step Only" in a custom filter.
> 
> 		jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Custom filter + Built-in filter in View?

On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, jonaz wrote:

> And there's isn't any other way to achieve the same thing; showing next step  
> of items with a parent that has a certain tag (or possibly other "tagging" such 
> as a ceratin priority)?

	"Next Step Only" is a pretty complex filter; its probably not
something you can manufacture yourself at this time. I intend to add a
filter to let you dpeend on internal filters, but not sure when.

		jeff

> 
> TIA
> /jonaz
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, jonaz wrote:
> > 
> > > How do I build  a"combined" filter to use in a Saved View?
> > > 
> > > What I want to see is Next Step Only of Projects (parent item) that
> > > has a certain tag. Any suggestions for how to do that? What's the
> > > "recipe" for the build-in Nest Step Only-filter?
> > 
> > 	There is no filter rule for built-in filter (yet). Keep reminding
> > me and I'll see what I can do. As such, right now, you cannot use "Next
> > Step Only" in a custom filter.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:15pm
Subject: Hi you all, I'm very excited with the new version of Shadow

I'll be posting a newly updated version of how I'm using SP in a gtd 
way. I've actually switched from a color 610 Clie to a b&W Clie t415, 
I find that size is a factor in carrying your pda everywhere and 
everywhere like I do...but I have a lot exciting new things with this 
new SP with filters, custom views, and the "super" tags to share with 
all of you.

Thanks to Fred for reposting my earlier post...


Nice to be back though

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:05pm
Subject: Re: Hi you all, I'm very excited with the new version of Shadow

ooh, looking forward to hearing how you're setup


----Original Message Follows----
From: "jledesma28" <jledesma28@y...>

...but I have a lot exciting new things with this
new SP with filters, custom views, and the "super" tags to share with
all of you.


_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: 
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 6:58am
Subject: Request: filter by tag categories

The subject says it all. I wish to see an enhancement on tag 
filtering. eg, a handful of tags specify that I am waiting for 
somebody. eg, a handful of tags specify that the task is only 
applicable when I am at a certain set of locations. I often need to 
list all of the set members (eg show it if I am not waiting for 
anybody, show it if it is not location dependent). 

Currently, I do this by an extra tag (a tag for location 
independence, a tag for general waiting).

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 0:20pm
Subject: Re: Request: filter by tag categories

On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, mcmug1997 wrote:

> The subject says it all. I wish to see an enhancement on tag
> filtering. eg, a handful of tags specify that I am waiting for
> somebody. eg, a handful of tags specify that the task is only
> applicable when I am at a certain set of locations. I often need to
> list all of the set members (eg show it if I am not waiting for
> anybody, show it if it is not location dependent).
> 
> Currently, I do this by an extra tag (a tag for location 
> independence, a tag for general waiting).

	You mean, right now you build a custom filter that has multiple
tag association requirements in it, and instead you'd like to just have
one rule which matches all tags of a certai tag category?

	That is possible, but it woudl be very slow to function..
categories are stored int he Tag Database, and not in internal memory
(Palms have very little internal memory). So for each tag it woudl have to
be checked in storage memory.. very slow :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Malcolm Campbell  <malcolmc@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 0:47pm
Subject: Re: Request: filter by tag categories

I do this using two tags... Ie, if I'm waiting for Graeme on a task, I tag
it !WaitingFor, and Graeme. I've Ive delegated it to Graeme (subtly
different), I tag it !Delegated, and Graeme. If it's something I need to
discusss with Graeme, I tag it !Agenda, and Graeme. If it must be done at
work, I tag it !Location, and @Work. etc

That lets me search for:
    Things I'm waiting for people to do (!WaitingFor)
    Things I need to reveiw next time i see Graeme (Graeme)
    Find people I need to talk to (!Agenda, then look who tasks are tagged
to)
    Things I can do while at work (@Work or NOT !Location)

--- Malcolm


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Request: filter by tag categories


> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, mcmug1997 wrote:
>
> > The subject says it all. I wish to see an enhancement on tag
> > filtering. eg, a handful of tags specify that I am waiting for
> > somebody. eg, a handful of tags specify that the task is only
> > applicable when I am at a certain set of locations. I often need to
> > list all of the set members (eg show it if I am not waiting for
> > anybody, show it if it is not location dependent).
> >
> > Currently, I do this by an extra tag (a tag for location
> > independence, a tag for general waiting).
>
> You mean, right now you build a custom filter that has multiple
> tag association requirements in it, and instead you'd like to just have
> one rule which matches all tags of a certai tag category?
>
> That is possible, but it woudl be very slow to function..
> categories are stored int he Tag Database, and not in internal memory
> (Palms have very little internal memory). So for each tag it woudl have to
> be checked in storage memory.. very slow :/
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

From: orion1086  <jameseyler@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 4:26pm
Subject: Linking to DayNotez

Is there any way to link from Shadow to my Daynotez entries, setting 
them as the Shadow link to memos?  If not, is there another efficient 
way to link the two?  (I'm afraid I haven't had the time to sit down 
and get comfortable with MegaWiki so I'm hoping Shadow can do this!)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jim

From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 5:21pm
Subject: Neat Bug when entering from DB5

Shadow 2.5.0, DateBk5.0b p6

Using DB5 with the graffiti area collapsed on my NR70v. Enter Shadow 
Plan in a list that had broken links. Broken link dialog appears in 
the same area as the vg area, with the vg area overwritting the 
shadow Broken Links dialog. 

No way to hit any buttons...only solution is to change apps, and then 
go back to Shadow...though even doing this leaves the bottom of the 
yello warning triangle embedded above the home button.

Easy to reproduce...simplest fix would be to have Jeff support the vg 
area on NR70's ;-)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 5:53pm
Subject: Re: Linking to DayNotez

On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, orion1086 wrote:

> Is there any way to link from Shadow to my Daynotez entries, setting
> them as the Shadow link to memos?  If not, is there another efficient
> way to link the two?  (I'm afraid I haven't had the time to sit down
> and get comfortable with MegaWiki so I'm hoping Shadow can do this!)

	If it uses its own custom database, then no linking to it in the
short term at least. If it ties into Datebook or Todo databases, it should
already work. If it uses its own databases, MegaWiki or LinkerHack would
be the way to go at least for the short term.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 8, 2002 5:54pm
Subject: Re: Neat Bug when entering from DB5

On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, llgriffll wrote:

> Shadow 2.5.0, DateBk5.0b p6
> 
> Using DB5 with the graffiti area collapsed on my NR70v. Enter Shadow 
> Plan in a list that had broken links. Broken link dialog appears in 
> the same area as the vg area, with the vg area overwritting the 
> shadow Broken Links dialog. 
> 
> No way to hit any buttons...only solution is to change apps, and then 
> go back to Shadow...though even doing this leaves the bottom of the 
> yello warning triangle embedded above the home button.

	Sounds like a bug in the Sony OS :) (rather, "another" bug in the
Sony-fied OS)

> Easy to reproduce...simplest fix would be to have Jeff support the vg 
> area on NR70's ;-)

	Will be doing :P

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: guilapbr  <guilherme.pedrosa@i...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 4:20am
Subject: Zoom, Views & Bugs

Hi,

	I'm trying Shadow 2.5 since just a week (I think it's the 
best outliner app I've tried), but I couldn't find out if is there a 
way to zoom into a level, go to another application, and return to 
Shadow in the same level.

	It appears Shadow automatically remembers the prefs for the 
clipboard (hold 1, hold many) and Filters, but not for what level I 
was zoomed in when I left Shadow.

	Does anyone know how do I do this?

	BTW, is there any bug list available to prevent unnecessary 
posts to this discussion group. I couldn't find any at codejedi.

TIA,
Guilherme.

From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:31pm
Subject: Re: Neat Bug when entering from DB5

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, llgriffll wrote:
> 
> > Shadow 2.5.0, DateBk5.0b p6
> > 
> > Using DB5 with the graffiti area collapsed on my NR70v. Enter 
Shadow 
> > Plan in a list that had broken links. Broken link dialog appears 
in 
> > the same area as the vg area, with the vg area overwritting the 
> > shadow Broken Links dialog. 
> > 
> > No way to hit any buttons...only solution is to change apps, and 
then 
> > go back to Shadow...though even doing this leaves the bottom of 
the 
> > yello warning triangle embedded above the home button.
> 
> 	Sounds like a bug in the Sony OS :) (rather, "another" bug 
in the
> Sony-fied OS)
> 

What's the bug? When I launch Shadow without that dialog coming up, 
everything launches fine...so curious how it's a Sony issue...

As a temporary fix, could you move the dialog to the top of the 
screen? I know it's a Sony thing...but would be nice to have a 
workaround.

From: glearned  <learned@v...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:55pm
Subject: DTD?

Is there a DTD document somewhere for the Shadow XML file?

From: Neal Cordle  <nhcordle@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:24pm
Subject: Re: Zoom, Views & Bugs

----- Original Message -----
From: "guilapbr" <guilherme.pedrosa@i...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:20 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Zoom, Views & Bugs


> Hi,
>
> I'm trying Shadow 2.5 since just a week (I think it's the
> best outliner app I've tried), but I couldn't find out if is there a
> way to zoom into a level, go to another application, and return to
> Shadow in the same level.
>
> It appears Shadow automatically remembers the prefs for the
> clipboard (hold 1, hold many) and Filters, but not for what level I
> was zoomed in when I left Shadow.
>
> Does anyone know how do I do this?

When you go to another app, and return to shadow, you return to the
"un-zoomed view."  This has been the design, since returning to a zoomed
view having forgotten you left there could create the impression of being
lost -  BTW, that's my interpretation of Jeff's design!
>
> BTW, is there any bug list available to prevent unnecessary
> posts to this discussion group. I couldn't find any at codejedi.

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/bugtrack.html

>
> TIA,
> Guilherme.
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

From: mzehner2000  <matt_zehner@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 2:22pm
Subject: Re: Import Marked todos bug

Was a fix (or at least an explanation) for this ever found?  I am 
having the problem that Jeff mentioned of only being able to use a 
match string of 5 or more characters - which took me a while (and a 
lot of frustration) to figure out, since I was trying to import to a 
list with a 4-character name!

Also, for the poster who was trying to use this feature to import all 
his todos, to a different list for each category: why not just use 
the regular Import ToDo feature and pick each category in turn?  What 
am I missing about the difference in results?

TIA

matt

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "arskillings72212" <bob.skillings@A...> 
wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Jacob Share wrote:
> > 
> ...snip
> 
> > > I decided to try again, after I looked over my todos to make 
sure 
> they
> > > all had [[[]]]. After my second attempt, the message said '13 
> todos
> > > imported, 56 bad todos skipped'.
> > 
> > 	Thats curious.
> > 
> > 	Which version of Shadow? 2.5 or one of the alphas/betas?
> > 
> > > 4 attempts later, they were all imported, again without my 
making 
> any
> > > changes between attempts.
> > 
> 
> This same sequence of events occurred to me as well.  It was a 
couple 
> of days ago that I imported my To Do's but I recall thinking the 
> problem was somehow related to how SP recognized it needed to use 
> another list to continue importing. 
> 
> I'm on v2.5 and the sequence was something like the following;
> 
> 1. add strings (Foo1, Foo2, etc.) to individual To Do items
> 2. Import Marked To Do's with SP
> 3. SP reported x were imported successfully, y were skipped
> 
> When looking at which entries were succesful it appeared a To Do 
> entry for Foo1 was found first and all Foo1 entries were imported 
> successfully.  Foo2 entries were tagged as bad and skipped.  
> 
> The next attempt at importing, however, found them and imported 
them 
> successfully.  Although I did confirm the string text and format 
for 
> each of these To Do items between attempts, I didn't change them.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.

From: kevprice1  <kevinprice@u...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 2:41pm
Subject: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

I today downloaded Bonsai and Progect to see which suits me best as a 
replacement for ShadowPlan.  I registered Shadow a long time ago when 
I was enthusiastic about it's capabilities and it's authors 
dedication.

The programs has certainly evolved... a bit too far from the Zen of 
Palm... for me.  I'm finding a slight unintended touch to a list item 
can move it... requiring me to go find it to return it to it's proper 
place.  I also find configuring list item types and preferences 
too "choicey".

While I applaud many things about the program, it's become "too 
much", leading me today in search of a replacement that is clean, 
intuitive and functional for managing my projects and memos.

I do have a few suggestions, though... and I'm sure I'll take a look 
again down the road to see if it's better suited for me then.

The suggestions:

Make Zoom a button, preferable with "in" and "out" functionality.  
With the graphic display preference, it could replace the now three 
redundant "create new" icons on the bottom left.  Since I find 
touching Shadow items to be a bit tricky (am I just clumsy?), I like 
using the Zoom to focus in on the level I'm wanting to view.  Since 
there is not a grafitti shortcut for this... I think it should be 
simply at a touch of a button on views.   And, with a "Zoom back a 
level" rather than simply an "Unzoom".

Speaking of the sensitivity when attempting to tap an item, can it be 
a preference to choose to use the screen icons for moving items, 
rather than drag?  Or, a drag functionality like in BrainForest where 
you see what's happening (shows the move by highlighting the item 
being moved until it's completed)?  Or, how about a simple Undo?

I applaud the creator's enthusiasm... now if he could only begin to 
whittle down all those features into an intuitive and elegant 
program.  Until then, I'm off to a competing product.

Thanks for listening,

Kevin Price

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:12pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

i will admit, this post made me laugh.  lets see, i'm buying a different product and will not be using your product, but can you make these specific changes that i prefer if i was using your product.  hellooooo, anyone home?!!  

if you have many reasons to use an outliner, like most of us, you will find that the "other" options do far too little or not in an intuitive manner.  as we appreciate, Jeff is the only one of the "outliner" developers that went through almost step by step and put in what everyone found to be useful and intuitve.  now as for the writer of the message below, my guess is he has not gone through the manual.  if he had, you can set it up entirely the way you desire, turn off many unwanted options, set it up for a very simple list and usage, and ignore most of the extra like filter, tags, etc, if you don't use them.  funny thing is, my bet is he'll be back to shadow whether he admits it to all of us later or not!  enjoy.
kevin

Kevin S. Giberson
Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
Santa Cruz/Monterey/Santa Clara Counties
262 East Lake Avenue
Watsonville, CA  95076
Office:  (831) 722-4500
Fax:  (831) 722-4535
kevin@g...

------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kevprice1 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:41 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...


  I today downloaded Bonsai and Progect to see which suits me best as a 
  replacement for ShadowPlan.  I registered Shadow a long time ago when 
  I was enthusiastic about it's capabilities and it's authors 
  dedication.

  The programs has certainly evolved... a bit too far from the Zen of 
  Palm... for me.  I'm finding a slight unintended touch to a list item 
  can move it... requiring me to go find it to return it to it's proper 
  place.  I also find configuring list item types and preferences 
  too "choicey".

  While I applaud many things about the program, it's become "too 
  much", leading me today in search of a replacement that is clean, 
  intuitive and functional for managing my projects and memos.

  I do have a few suggestions, though... and I'm sure I'll take a look 
  again down the road to see if it's better suited for me then.

  The suggestions:

  Make Zoom a button, preferable with "in" and "out" functionality.  
  With the graphic display preference, it could replace the now three 
  redundant "create new" icons on the bottom left.  Since I find 
  touching Shadow items to be a bit tricky (am I just clumsy?), I like 
  using the Zoom to focus in on the level I'm wanting to view.  Since 
  there is not a grafitti shortcut for this... I think it should be 
  simply at a touch of a button on views.   And, with a "Zoom back a 
  level" rather than simply an "Unzoom".

  Speaking of the sensitivity when attempting to tap an item, can it be 
  a preference to choose to use the screen icons for moving items, 
  rather than drag?  Or, a drag functionality like in BrainForest where 
  you see what's happening (shows the move by highlighting the item 
  being moved until it's completed)?  Or, how about a simple Undo?

  I applaud the creator's enthusiasm... now if he could only begin to 
  whittle down all those features into an intuitive and elegant 
  program.  Until then, I'm off to a competing product.

  Thanks for listening,

  Kevin Price



        Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
              ADVERTISEMENT
             
       

  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com



  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: alwaysenuf  <alwaysenuf@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:24pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

Jeff, 
This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself 
wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be 
available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items 
in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child 
of a parent)... but be able to add items/children.  

Also, any timeframe on the conduit bug fix?  Due to repeated hanging 
synx i've (reluctantly)abandoned the DT til the conduit is fixed. 
While this is reportedly rare, it seems that those who have been 
fortunate enough to experience it, experience it often, and have 
suffered data loss. 



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kevprice1" <kevinprice@u...> wrote:
I'm finding a slight unintended touch to a list item 
> can move it... requiring me to go find it to return it to it's 
proper 
> place.

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:42pm
Subject: Fatal Alert DataMgr.c, Line:5964 Invalid uniqueID passed

I continue to recieve the above message while syncing at times. Have 
not been able to track down the specific cause. However the solution 
is relatively simple -- all it really requires is patience (because 
of my impatience I didn't discover this for awhile - I kept closing 
the HotSync by utilizing the Ctrl-Alt-Delete).

I don't know if others are experiencing this problem but here's what 
I'm doing to resolve it.

When my Visor Prism crashes I go ahead and do a soft reset.
Now I've learned to let the desktop side clean up after the crash.
Eventually the when Hotsync finishes cleaning up the lastsync.txt 
from ShadowPlan will open and I find the file at the end that caused 
the syncing to choke. 
I open that file on the Prism and tap on List/Preferences and then 
tap outside of the menu. 
Resync and that file will be OK though I have had cases where other 
files required the same treatment.

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

i'm with ya on both those requests alwaysenuf!
kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: alwaysenuf 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:24 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...


  Jeff, 
  This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself 
  wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be 
  available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items 
  in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child 
  of a parent)... but be able to add items/children.  

  Also, any timeframe on the conduit bug fix?  Due to repeated hanging 
  synx i've (reluctantly)abandoned the DT til the conduit is fixed. 
  While this is reportedly rare, it seems that those who have been 
  fortunate enough to experience it, experience it often, and have 
  suffered data loss. 



  --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kevprice1" <kevinprice@u...> wrote:
  I'm finding a slight unintended touch to a list item 
  > can move it... requiring me to go find it to return it to it's 
  proper 
  > place.  



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 5:56pm
Subject: Drifting structure - Loss of enumeration

Jeff,
I too have experienced this restructuring of a list that several have 
spoken of recently. It happens after editing on the DT, syncing, and 
opening on the handheld. Items that were siblings suddenly and 
unexplicably become children of their previous peers.

The other undesireable result is a loss of the enumeration scheme 
applied to some lists on the handheld.

I understand you're focus of work is presently on the conduit and the 
desktop. These comments might be timely.

Paul

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:15pm
Subject: RE: Drifting structure - Loss of enumeration

I've noticed the same problems and I don't use the desktop at all
anymore. Last time was a shopping list where even if things got out of
order it wouldn't matter much, and I did see children becoming parents,
etc.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: pfieldho_99 [mailto:pfieldho_99@y...] 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:57 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Drifting structure - Loss of enumeration

Jeff,
I too have experienced this restructuring of a list that several have 
spoken of recently. It happens after editing on the DT, syncing, and 
opening on the handheld. Items that were siblings suddenly and 
unexplicably become children of their previous peers.

The other undesireable result is a loss of the enumeration scheme 
applied to some lists on the handheld.

I understand you're focus of work is presently on the conduit and the 
desktop. These comments might be timely.

Paul

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 7:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

>This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself 
>wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be 
>available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items 
>in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child 
>of a parent)... but be able to add items/children

YES YES YES YES YES!!!

Maybe I'm clumsy, maybe I can't see all that well (I recently used
FontHack to get a bigger font) but I just HATE it when things get moved
and I don't want them to go anywhere. This "lock structure but still add
things" scheme would be PERFECT!

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!


-----Original Message-----
From: alwaysenuf [mailto:alwaysenuf@y...] 
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:24 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

Jeff, 
This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself 
wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be 
available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items 
in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child 
of a parent)... but be able to add items/children.  

Also, any timeframe on the conduit bug fix?  Due to repeated hanging 
synx i've (reluctantly)abandoned the DT til the conduit is fixed. 
While this is reportedly rare, it seems that those who have been 
fortunate enough to experience it, experience it often, and have 
suffered data loss. 



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kevprice1" <kevinprice@u...> wrote:
I'm finding a slight unintended touch to a list item 
> can move it... requiring me to go find it to return it to it's 
proper 
> place.  



To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com

 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

Or alternately:
1. a timed drag n drop, so you'd have to tap and hold a bit before shadow 
thinks you want to drag

or

2. more pixels of drag before recognized

I find that when I tap an item as done, my stylus may slide just a pixel or 
two and suddenly, the item I'm tapping done is now a child of something.


>From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...
>Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:41 -0500
>
> >This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself
> >wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be
> >available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items
> >in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child
> >of a parent)... but be able to add items/children
>
>YES YES YES YES YES!!!
>
>Maybe I'm clumsy, maybe I can't see all that well (I recently used
>FontHack to get a bigger font) but I just HATE it when things get moved
>and I don't want them to go anywhere. This "lock structure but still add
>things" scheme would be PERFECT!
>
>Jen
>


_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

From: George David R-G16477  <d.george@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

I would love to just be able to edit in place rather than having to either open the item or that sub-window at the bottom of the screen with the check and x.
 
I would also like to see the Preferences cleaned up with maybe a tabbed interface of sorts.  That "next" and "previous" is too confusing to have to go thru to find the setting page I want.  I always have hated these 'next, next, next, wizards' thing that Microsoft created.

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Schellenberg [mailto:aschell2000@h...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:04 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...


Or alternately:
1. a timed drag n drop, so you'd have to tap and hold a bit before shadow 
thinks you want to drag

or

2. more pixels of drag before recognized

I find that when I tap an item as done, my stylus may slide just a pixel or 
two and suddenly, the item I'm tapping done is now a child of something.


>From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...
>Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:41 -0500
>
> >This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself
> >wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be
> >available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items
> >in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child
> >of a parent)... but be able to add items/children
>
>YES YES YES YES YES!!!
>
>Maybe I'm clumsy, maybe I can't see all that well (I recently used
>FontHack to get a bigger font) but I just HATE it when things get moved
>and I don't want them to go anywhere. This "lock structure but still add
>things" scheme would be PERFECT!
>
>Jen
>


_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com <http://messenger.msn.com> 



Yahoo! Groups Sponsor	

ADVERTISEMENT
 <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=228862.2128520.3581629.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705016061:HM/A=1182703/R=0/*http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/990-1736-1039-334> 	

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

my brief thoughts on the below comments...

editing in place would seemingly cause more problems than benefit gained since an accidental move could then change something in place or put in a letter or number, etc.  is there a way to allow that (a preference?) without having it available all the time?

as for the next, previous, etc. in the preferences, not sure that is really a big deal for me.  the preferences aren't changed often enough to really matter about an extra click.

i'd prefer the time be spent elsewhere for the time being, as right now Jeff is still trying to get the whole package out there in a quality manner.  we have an awesome handheld application for the time being, and know he will tweak it more down the road.  but for now, clearly the conduit is a priority with how it can mess up the lists often (i'm one of those unlucky in the minority), and then the desktop for that whole different subset of users that have patiently waited while we got the bells and whistles!  i can wait until winter for more handheld stuff, but definitely want the conduit to stop messing up my lists!  thanks Jeff.
kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George David R-G16477 
  To: 'shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...


  I would love to just be able to edit in place rather than having to either open the item or that sub-window at the bottom of the screen with the check and x.

  I would also like to see the Preferences cleaned up with maybe a tabbed interface of sorts.  That "next" and "previous" is too confusing to have to go thru to find the setting page I want.  I always have hated these 'next, next, next, wizards' thing that Microsoft created.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Anthony Schellenberg [mailto:aschell2000@h...]
  Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:04 PM
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...


  Or alternately:
  1. a timed drag n drop, so you'd have to tap and hold a bit before shadow 
  thinks you want to drag

  or

  2. more pixels of drag before recognized

  I find that when I tap an item as done, my stylus may slide just a pixel or 
  two and suddenly, the item I'm tapping done is now a child of something.


  >From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
  >Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  >To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...
  >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:41 -0500
  >
  > >This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself
  > >wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be
  > >available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items
  > >in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child
  > >of a parent)... but be able to add items/children
  >
  >YES YES YES YES YES!!!
  >
  >Maybe I'm clumsy, maybe I can't see all that well (I recently used
  >FontHack to get a bigger font) but I just HATE it when things get moved
  >and I don't want them to go anywhere. This "lock structure but still add
  >things" scheme would be PERFECT!
  >
  >Jen
  >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 9:52pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...> wrote:

> This "lock structure but still add
> things" scheme would be PERFECT!

I'd have to agree that would be very nice, maybe not perfect though - 
to me perfection would still be a one level undo function ;-)  (I know 
Jeff, I know...)

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Earthlink" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> editing in place would seemingly cause more problems than benefit 
gained since an accidental move could then change something in place 
or put in a letter or number, etc.  is there a way to allow that (a 
preference?) without having it available all the time?
 
Jeff has said he will look at providing in-place editing or at least 
placing the cursor at the selected point in the mini-editor.
I've tried it on other outliners and it is a nice feature and time 
saver - just click directly at the point you wish to edit.  Don't 
really see a problem with it as if you select text when you wish to 
move you won't have made any changes.


> i'd prefer the time be spent elsewhere for the time being... we have 
an awesome handheld application for the time being, and know he will 
tweak it more down the road.  but for now, 
clearly the conduit is a priority ... and then the desktop 

Agreed.

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:15am
Subject: Re: Request: filter by tag categories

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Malcolm Campbell" <malcolmc@s...> wrote:
> I do this using two tags... 
>If it's something I need to
> discusss with Graeme, I tag it !Agenda, and Graeme. 
> If it must be done at
> work, I tag it !Location, and @Work. etc

Thanks for the suggestion :)
The only drawback I can see is that each time I have to add two tags 
instead of one. Jeff said the filter by category will be slow, so I 
think your way will be the best.

From: guilapbr  <guilherme.pedrosa@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:54am
Subject: Re: Zoom, Views & Bugs

> When you go to another app, and return to shadow, you return to the
> "un-zoomed view."  This has been the design, since returning to a 
zoomed
> view having forgotten you left there could create the impression 
of being
> lost -  BTW, that's my interpretation of Jeff's design!

Well, at least I couldn't do it because there was no way to do it :-
))
I agree with you about the reasons to not return automatically... 
But I would like to suggest that this could be a default setting to 
a preference that I could set or not (like a "return to last zoom" 
checkbox in prefs).
Then, when I use McPhling to "alt+tab" between apps I could find 
Shadow in the same status I left. (very useful if your outline tree 
is a kinda deep) :-))

Thanks for the attention,
Guilap.

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:22am
Subject: auto refiltering

We can set auto-sort. How about auto-filter?

Usually, re-filtering is automatic already. Say if the filter hides 
checked items, you touch a checkbox of an item and it disappears 
before you can say goodbye (or "Oops! I meant the item above..."). 

However if the filter criteria is about tags, and you update the 
tags, the items won't disappear. I need to go to filter manager to 
reapply the filter to make it go away.

Is it a bug?

From: mcmug1997  <Alex.Fung.Ho-san+yahoo@g...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:26am
Subject: progress and checkbox

When I was reading the manual, I got the impression that the %
progress and the checkbox are somehow linked. Checked implies 100% 
and 100% implies checked.

I boldly remove the checkbox from view and update the progress bar 
instead. Since my filter hides completed items, I was surprised when 
the item didn't disappear on 100%.

Turns out that only half of the statement above is correct. Setting 
100% doesn't mark the checkbox. 

Or have I missed a preference option?

From: Malcolm Campbell  <malcolmc@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:24am
Subject: Re: Re: Request: filter by tag categories

> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Malcolm Campbell" <malcolmc@s...> wrote:
> > I do this using two tags...
> >If it's something I need to
> > discusss with Graeme, I tag it !Agenda, and Graeme.
> > If it must be done at
> > work, I tag it !Location, and @Work. etc
>
> Thanks for the suggestion :)
> The only drawback I can see is that each time I have to add two tags
> instead of one. Jeff said the filter by category will be slow, so I
> think your way will be the best.

It's one more tag than if I could filter by tag category, yes. I use people
tags for various things, so would always have a second tag to show status as
well for that. And if I could think up another meaning for a location tag,
other than "I can do the task here", then I'd probably use multiple tags
even if I could category search.

--- Malcolm

From: mr_hank_01  <mr_hank_01@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:22pm
Subject: hot sync crash

I too have experienced a crash or lock up during hotsync with the 
Shadow program.  The file that it stops on typically experiences a 
data loss.  In one case, the file is unaccessible on the HH.



> 
>   Also, any timeframe on the conduit bug fix?  Due to repeated 
hanging 
>   synx i've (reluctantly)abandoned the DT til the conduit is fixed. 
>   While this is reportedly rare, it seems that those who have been 
>   fortunate enough to experience it, experience it often, and have 
>   suffered data loss. 
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:15am
Subject: Re: Zoom, Views & Bugs

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, guilapbr wrote:

> 	I'm trying Shadow 2.5 since just a week (I think it's the best
> outliner app I've tried), but I couldn't find out if is there a way to
> zoom into a level, go to another application, and return to Shadow in
> the same level.

	Leaving Shadow forgets the zoom level; this is by design so that
people wouldn't freak out and think they'd lost all their data. Yes, I do
intend on making it remember or, ot a pref to remember it.. but I'm
focusing on the desktop now mostly, as to get 2.5 out the door I more or
less ignored the desktop for awhile and its turn has come :)

> 	BTW, is there any bug list available to prevent unnecessary
> posts to this discussion group. I couldn't find any at codejedi.

	The website has a section for "dev plan" and "bugs", which lists
(with no ordering or organization) assorted issues that may or may not
still exist, and peoples requests for new features, etc.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:16am
Subject: Re: Re: Neat Bug when entering from DB5

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, llgriffll wrote:

> What's the bug? When I launch Shadow without that dialog coming up, 
> everything launches fine...so curious how it's a Sony issue...

	For apps that are not 320x480 aware, the OS is supposed ot
guarantee it doesn't need to worry about the extra. Obviously, when a
dialog comes up early, the OS forgets which mode it shoudl be in. Thats a
bug.

> As a temporary fix, could you move the dialog to the top of the
> screen? I know it's a Sony thing...but would be nice to have a
> workaround.

	The OS guidelines require dialogs to be at the bottom of the
screen, and I will be adding 320x480 support soon enough anyway,
hopefully..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:17am
Subject: Re: DTD?

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, glearned wrote:

> Is there a DTD document somewhere for the Shadow XML file?

	The XML is described on the developer webpage, but no official DTD
is supported; there are a few that people have given me (I think theyr'e
on the site), but feel free to use one of those, or make up your own. I've
not had time to establish a standard one yet.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Import Marked todos bug

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, mzehner2000 wrote:

> Was a fix (or at least an explanation) for this ever found?  I am
> having the problem that Jeff mentioned of only being able to use a
> match string of 5 or more characters - which took me a while (and a
> lot of frustration) to figure out, since I was trying to import to a
> list with a 4-character name!

	It was never figured out; it must be an extremely subtle issue,
and must depend on some specific set of things.. ie doesn't occur for very
many people, and certianly not for me :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:24am
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, kevprice1 wrote:

> I today downloaded Bonsai and Progect to see which suits me best as a
> replacement for ShadowPlan.  I registered Shadow a long time ago when
> I was enthusiastic about it's capabilities and it's authors
> dedication.
> 
> The programs has certainly evolved... a bit too far from the Zen of
> Palm... for me.  I'm finding a slight unintended touch to a list item
> can move it... requiring me to go find it to return it to it's proper
> place.  I also find configuring list item types and preferences too
> "choicey".

	Most people dont' ever need to deal with the fancy
customization. Its there for power users.

	I agree that the drag and drop can kick in too easily and I intend
to change that.

> While I applaud many things about the program, it's become "too much",
> leading me today in search of a replacement that is clean, intuitive
> and functional for managing my projects and memos.

	Fair enough; thats why its a good thign to have many similar
overlapping applications in the market. Hopefully you'll find something
suited to your needs, and maybe you'll be back :)

> Make Zoom a button, preferable with "in" and "out" functionality.  
> With the graphic display preference, it could replace the now three
> redundant "create new" icons on the bottom left.  Since I find

	How are they redundant?

> touching Shadow items to be a bit tricky (am I just clumsy?), I like
> using the Zoom to focus in on the level I'm wanting to view.  Since
> there is not a grafitti shortcut for this... I think it should be
> simply at a touch of a button on views.  And, with a "Zoom back a
> level" rather than simply an "Unzoom".

	The reason its not grafittied, is because its not a "toggle"..
when zoomed, you can zoom in more, or unzoom. So multiple buttons are
needed, and multiple grafitti strokes, and it would lead to confusion :/
Its also only 2 taps to any of these options, in the top right popmenus.

> Speaking of the sensitivity when attempting to tap an item, can it be
> a preference to choose to use the screen icons for moving items,
> rather than drag?  Or, a drag functionality like in BrainForest where
> you see what's happening (shows the move by highlighting the item
> being moved until it's completed)?  Or, how about a simple Undo?

	The drag and drop system will be redone entirely likely, to make
it more intuitive. You can use a large font to make it harder to misdrag,
and I may just add an option to disable drag and drop for those where its
really a problem. Some units are much mroe sensitive than others to this
sort of thing).

> I applaud the creator's enthusiasm... now if he could only begin to
> whittle down all those features into an intuitive and elegant program.  
> Until then, I'm off to a competing product.

	Elegant it is; intuitive.. yes, the UI needs work. But it also has
more features than all the other guys, so its much harder to make a UI on
the small screen. I'd ratehr have a tougher UI, than toss out all the
features ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:26am
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Earthlink wrote:

> i will admit, this post made me laugh.  lets see, i'm buying a
> different product and will not be using your product, but can you make
> these specific changes that i prefer if i was using your product.  
> hellooooo, anyone home?!!

	An "exit interview" is a good thing; Its nice to know why he's
heading out.. though it makes me think of the highschool romance.. one
person gets dumped, but he never really knows why :)

> the message below, my guess is he has not gone through the manual.  
> if he had, you can set it up entirely the way you desire, turn off
> many unwanted options, set it up for a very simple list and usage, and
> ignore most of the extra like filter, tags, etc, if you don't use
> them.  funny thing is, my bet is he'll be back to shadow whether he
> admits it to all of us later or not!  enjoy.

	You'd be surprised how many peopel email me with "the program is
too confusing; if you dumbed it down I'd buy it". Peopel really do not
want too many choices, sometimes. Thats cool, too, so I have oftern
thought about a dumbed down Shadow (with the current one being the Pro
version, say), or a dumbed down UI until you enable expert mode. But its a
lot of work to do these things, and I've got not enough time right now..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:28am
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, alwaysenuf wrote:

> Also, any timeframe on the conduit bug fix?  Due to repeated hanging
> synx i've (reluctantly)abandoned the DT til the conduit is fixed.  
> While this is reportedly rare, it seems that those who have been
> fortunate enough to experience it, experience it often, and have
> suffered data loss.

	Seems to vary by individual; for some it is unbearable :/

	Time line is "soonish", but I find this summer is rapidly being
destroyed by outside forces. I'm not likely get any development time for a
couple weeks more, due to far too many companies deciding to screw we Palm
developers :/ (I've got about 4 companies not paying me right now, which
means I'm spending much time re-channeling, working with lawyers and
accountants, etc. Its unproductive and I hate it, but it has to be done :(

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:29am
Subject: Re: Drifting structure - Loss of enumeration

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I too have experienced this restructuring of a list that several have
> spoken of recently. It happens after editing on the DT, syncing, and
> opening on the handheld. Items that were siblings suddenly and
> unexplicably become children of their previous peers.

	Yep; on occasion, some series of complex maneavers on both desktop
and handheld can cause the conduit to be unsure of its step, and
accidentlal ymove an item up or down the hierarchy. That and a cople other
gotchas are top of the list for conduit fixes and changes.

> The other undesireable result is a loss of the enumeration scheme
> applied to some lists on the handheld.

	Hmm?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:31am
Subject: RE: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> 1. a timed drag n drop, so you'd have to tap and hold a bit before shadow 
> thinks you want to drag
> 
> or
> 
> 2. more pixels of drag before recognized

	I'll likely be adding (2) -- so if you wish to drag and drop an
item only 1 up, you must first drag a few more than that, then back down
to the closer one, to trigger the drop. But if you wish to drag a couple
away, it'd work easy, since there coudl be no mistake due to jittery
digitizer or the like.

> I find that when I tap an item as done, my stylus may slide just a
> pixel or two and suddenly, the item I'm tapping done is now a child of
> something.

	Yeah. The OS sends a "drag" event to Shadow, and Shadow trusts it
:/

		jeff

> 
> 
> >From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
> >Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...
> >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:41 -0500
> >
> > >This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself
> > >wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be
> > >available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items
> > >in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child
> > >of a parent)... but be able to add items/children
> >
> >YES YES YES YES YES!!!
> >
> >Maybe I'm clumsy, maybe I can't see all that well (I recently used
> >FontHack to get a bigger font) but I just HATE it when things get moved
> >and I don't want them to go anywhere. This "lock structure but still add
> >things" scheme would be PERFECT!
> >
> >Jen
> >
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:35am
Subject: RE: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, George David R-G16477 wrote:

> I would love to just be able to edit in place rather than having to
> either open the item or that sub-window at the bottom of the screen
> with the check and x.

	Won't happen for awhile; there are two camps of people.. those who
want to see evertythign packed together (all relevent data, like in the
Details full screen window), and those who just wish to see the title text
and don't care or don't need context. You can go one way or the other..
supporting both is bloating the application. I chose one, and then built
the mini-editor to get you all the advantages of the other, withotu
drasticaly changing the application. On-screen edit gets you this..
position-context (you can see whats around it), and you don't lose your
place with multiple windows flipping around. Actually editting in place
means that everythign must get pushed down otu of the way, and then you
get the two advantages above, so its not too much different. I may add
something a bit later, but its not a pressing issue now.. as really,
theres two ways to do it, and we've chosen one, and 99% of folks are
pretty happy.

> I would also like to see the Preferences cleaned up with maybe a
> tabbed interface of sorts.  That "next" and "previous" is too
> confusing to have to go thru to find the setting page I want.  I
> always have hated these 'next, next, next, wizards' thing that
> Microsoft created.

	They're pretty similar to tabs.. you just don't see all the tabs
at once. I chose them because its standard Palm OS stuff.. doing tabs is
often a messy matter and often involves being tricky with the OS and
fudging things up a little. We'll see.. theres enough Pref options I'm
beginning to have all kidsn of ideas on how to change thinsg to be more
usable..

		jeff

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Schellenberg [mailto:aschell2000@h...]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:04 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...
> 
> 
> Or alternately:
> 1. a timed drag n drop, so you'd have to tap and hold a bit before shadow 
> thinks you want to drag
> 
> or
> 
> 2. more pixels of drag before recognized
> 
> I find that when I tap an item as done, my stylus may slide just a pixel or 
> two and suddenly, the item I'm tapping done is now a child of something.
> 
> 
> >From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
> >Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...
> >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:41 -0500
> >
> > >This was a bit strange, and i too laughed...but I _have_ found myself
> > >wondering if a "lock structure" toggle type option...would be
> > >available.  There are some lists that I would like to keep key items
> > >in one fixed location and prevent moving(inadvertently making a child
> > >of a parent)... but be able to add items/children
> >
> >YES YES YES YES YES!!!
> >
> >Maybe I'm clumsy, maybe I can't see all that well (I recently used
> >FontHack to get a bigger font) but I just HATE it when things get moved
> >and I don't want them to go anywhere. This "lock structure but still add
> >things" scheme would be PERFECT!
> >
> >Jen
> >
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com <http://messenger.msn.com> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor	
> 
> ADVERTISEMENT
>  <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=228862.2128520.3581629.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705016061:HM/A=1182703/R=0/*http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/990-1736-1039-334> 	
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 0:37am
Subject: Re: auto refiltering

On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, mcmug1997 wrote:

> However if the filter criteria is about tags, and you update the 
> tags, the items won't disappear. I need to go to filter manager to 
> reapply the filter to make it go away.
> 
> Is it a bug?

	You likely just need to get the screen redrawn; not the filter
manager specifically at all.

	It does sound like a bug, however. How are you updating the
tags.. the tag column, Remove Tag, that sort of thing?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Sun Aug 11, 2002 2:52am
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan too much of a good thing...

Definitely not enough time for something like that ; )
Desktop is more important  : )

I'm a registered user of Bonsai also--but I always seem to use 
Shadow for almost everything --Bonsai is great but it doesn't have 
all the features I'm looking for --

I'm guessing the shadow crowd is a different crowd than bonsai etc.

Shadow is still #1 in my book at least 

Paul 



 Thats cool, too, so I have oftern
> thought about a dumbed down Shadow (with the current one being the 
Pro
> version, say), or a dumbed down UI until you enable expert mode. 
But its a
> lot of work to do these things, and I've got not enough time right 
now..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_