From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 0:56am
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:

> What if all the applet did was to write the file name, filter, and 
> view in a PDB file and the immediately launched Shadow.  Shadow could 
> read the file and do its processing.  If the user changed the file, 

	That wouldn't be how it would be done; but more important is how
does the other app know what views exist, so that it can display them to
you to pick, to write into your pdb? :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 0:57am
Subject: Re: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, msharnden wrote:

> Yup, that's what is strange. I'm used to breaking things by fiddling 
> around with things. :-)

> > 	Were you in a file, or the file selection screen, when you 
> last
> > used Shadow and exitted? If in a file, you could use Filez or the 
> like to
> > rename that file temporarily, and that way fortce Shadow back to 
> the file
> > selection screen in case that file is somehow the problem. IF 
> totally
> > stuck, we can remove some of the more temporary files (like Tags, 
> etc),
> > though I'd hate to do that.
> 
> I renamed the files I was last using, now the device simply resets 
> itself whenever I try to start Shadow. No error messages or anything. 
> Let me know what other files I should try to remove/rename. 

	Sounds like something funny is going on. Do a fresh install of the
.prc onto your handheld, for one. Got any speedups or security apps (hack
or otherwise) set up?

	Got another version of the app on an expansion card?

	When it starts, it fetches its prefs, the filters and views and
history, and then the last file if applicable. You can remove the
ShadCache, ShadFilters, ShadViews and ShadTags if you need to :/ (rename
them!)

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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From: dionv  <dionv@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:41am
Subject: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

As always, a great product Jeff. Can you stand one more feature request?

After spending a month looking for software to track my time spent on
various tasks through the day I realized that I already had the
beginnings of such a beast. I'm already tracking my projects and such
in ShadowPlan, why duplicate the effort by tracking the time spent on
those projects in another product.

So, would it be possible (or rather, would you be willing) to add a
timer function to ShadowPlan?

Sure, one could open the details for each task and do <Shortcut>dts to
get the time and date into the note, but what if the note is already
being used for something? Plus, using the note would not offer a tally
of time spent.

I've seen time tracking software that implement their timers in one of
two ways:

1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee break,
etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)

2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) (Like
TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)

Being able to export this information would, of course be needed, but
 I suppose it could be part of the export feature already in ShadowPlan.

Anyone else interested in such functionality being added to an already
great product?

Dion

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:46am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

i would use it if the ability were right there to also stop and start again, as i get lots of interruptions while working on a matter, but it would be great convenience to have that time tracking ability right there as i have the to do item open.
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dionv 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:41 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan



  As always, a great product Jeff. Can you stand one more feature request?

  After spending a month looking for software to track my time spent on
  various tasks through the day I realized that I already had the
  beginnings of such a beast. I'm already tracking my projects and such
  in ShadowPlan, why duplicate the effort by tracking the time spent on
  those projects in another product.

  So, would it be possible (or rather, would you be willing) to add a
  timer function to ShadowPlan?

  Sure, one could open the details for each task and do <Shortcut>dts to
  get the time and date into the note, but what if the note is already
  being used for something? Plus, using the note would not offer a tally
  of time spent.

  I've seen time tracking software that implement their timers in one of
  two ways:

  1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
  8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee break,
  etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)

  2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
  45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) (Like
  TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)

  Being able to export this information would, of course be needed, but
  I suppose it could be part of the export feature already in ShadowPlan.

  Anyone else interested in such functionality being added to an already
  great product?

  Dion


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:35am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, dionv wrote:

> 1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
> 8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee break,
> etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)

	I suppose a weighting column could handle this (with parental
summation). Or a misc-field with @sum type operation. OR use tags and
manually add them up.

> 2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
> 45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) (Like
> TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)

	Wish one coudl invoke something like that separetly, and have
Shadow pick up the results.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:44am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

I don't think the app would pick up the shadow links to datebook but 
I'm going to try this with Titrax

It's a bit tedious (misc text fields would be great down the 
road ; )     but if you copy from shadow and paste into Titrax--that 
would do your tracking for you but I'm not sure if it would let you 
go back to shadow easily?  You can also log titrax to the datebook 
as entries --Titrax works best with Datebk3-5 because it can log 
appts by the minute.  Wouldn't have a shadow link to datebk that way 
hmmmm. 

Titrax is freeware last time I checked www.titrax.com
should be on palmgear too. 

Paul 



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, dionv wrote:
> 
> > 1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
> > 8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee 
break,
> > etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)
> 
> 	I suppose a weighting column could handle this (with parental
> summation). Or a misc-field with @sum type operation. OR use tags 
and
> manually add them up.
> 
> > 2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent (3hr
> > 45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) 
(Like
> > TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)
> 
> 	Wish one coudl invoke something like that separetly, and have
> Shadow pick up the results.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 2:51am
Subject: Re: shadow and GTD

Shadow is great for @Agenda lists!  Especially with the "send to 
file " feature .   I keep a separate file for my boss and shoot 
things to his list all the time.  I keep another shadow file for 
general work related agendas and another for personal agendas. 

If an item needs to be on more than one persons list you can just 
copy and "paste as child " under each one of the needed names --and 
with the great "link to to do check box " it's easy to activate any 
of them when needed. : )

I tried the individual to do for each person but the note screen and 
all the cutting and pasting got too cumbersome. 

YMMV

Paul 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> Hi Bill.  I am working with Meg Gott (a coach from DavidCo) and 
what she 
> suggested I do is create a category called @Agenda and have a 
single todo 
> item for each of my contexts.  Then I put the items to talk about 
as part 
> of a note for that context.  When I am meeting with a colleague I 
can bring 
> up the item with my agenda for that colleague.  The idea is that 
if one of 
> these agenda items becomes actionable (beyond having the 
conversation) it 
> becomes a separate to do item.  This works for me, but if you have 
lots of 
> those contexts, I could imagine you doing an @Agenda outline in 
Shadow 
> similar to the way I have implemented @Project.  Then each context 
would be 
> a top level item in @Agenda with whatever structure you want 
> underneath.  For me, the simpler approach of putting the agenda as 
a note 
> works well.
> 
> best,
> 
> George
> 
> At 08:47 PM 8/1/02 +0000, you wrote:
> >Thank you.  This sounds like a simple and clever approach along 
the
> >lines of what I'm looking for.  Do you have separate @ categories 
in
> >ToDo for agenda type contexts (e.g., people, committees, etc.)?  I
> >have a lot of these contexts.
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> > > I, too, was using LB and think its a great app but ran into 
similar
> >issues
> > > to those you describe.  I now use a combination of Shadow and 
the
> >Palm todo
> > > list.  here is a quick sketch of my approach:
> > >
> > > all next actions and someday/maybes go in the Palm To Do.  I 
use a
> >small
> > > set of categories to organize these by context.  When at the
> >computer, for
> > > example, I have a category called @Computer.
> > >
> > > I store my project list and check lists in Shadow.  For the 
project
> >list,
> > > Each project is a top level item in the list.  All notes, 
ideas,
> >might do,
> > > future actions are stored as subheadings of the project.  The 
next
> >action
> > > or actions for a project are linked to the todo list, so they
> >appear under
> > > the project in Shadow, but also appear on the todo list.  This
> >allows me to
> > > use the Todo list for an action-oriented view and Shadow for a
> >project
> > > oriented view.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > At 09:04 PM 7/30/02 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Thank you for posting this. I didn't initiate this thread, 
but I
> >too
> > > >am seeking something relatively simple.  I'm new to Shadow 
(and
> >still
> > > >assessing its suitability for my needs) and have been using 
LB for
> > > >GTD.  I need to organize isolated action items,agenda, 
projects,
> >etc.
> > > >and to display next actions by context, ranked by priority 
and due
> > > >date.  LB accomplished all this but I found the ranking 
process to
> >be
> > > >not transparent enough (i.e., too cumbersome) and I didn't 
find the
> > > >balancing pie to be useful for my purposes.  I recognize that
> >Shadow
> > > >is extremely powerful and has much more functionality than I
> >need.  I
> > > >am trying to avoid increasing complexity further by using 
multiple
> > > >applications as described in this thread.  I am really trying 
to
> > > >assess whether there is a relatively simple way to use Shadow 
as
> >the
> > > >single app for my todo/project needs.  I would very much 
appreciate
> > > >any help that anyone can provide to get me started that 
explains a
> > > >simple way to structure categories, lists, and tags to 
accomplish
> > > >these goals.
> > > >Thanks.
> > > >Bill
> > > >
> > > >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Frederick G. Turner" <fred@s...>
> >wrote:
> > > > > I'm reposting an edited version of Jorge Ledesma's
> > > > > (jledesma28@y...) original GTD method post (originally 
posted to
> > > > > the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group:
> > > > >
> > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > Fred.
> > > > >
> > > > > ............ Jorge's original message (sorry for the
> >paraphrasing)
> > > > > ...................
> > > > > Applications used: DateBk5, ActionNames, Shadow, Mega 
Wiki, Mega
> > > > > Launcher,
> > > > >   Crypto Pad, Quick Memo, Bug Me(all shareware except 
Crypto and
> > > > > MegaWiki).
> > > > >
> > > > > All my todo's and appt are handled and sorted thru Shadow,
> >where I
> > > > > highlight
> > > > >   and filter by priority. My main list is called Main Task 
List
> > > >with the
> > > > > following parents:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Next Action
> > > > > * Current Action
> > > > > * Finance & Bills
> > > > > * Home & Family
> > > > > * Physics
> > > > > * DAT Study Schedule
> > > > > * Clie & GTD
> > > > > * General Sometime Maybe
> > > > > * Master Input Template
> > > > >
> > > > > Under Next Action, Current Action, F & B, H & F, Cie & GTD 
I
> >have
> > > >the
> > > > > following
> > > > >   children:
> > > > > This Week, This Month, This Quarter, all the main setups 
are
> >under
> > > > > Custom
> > > > >   (as you know you can change on command) but I re-sort it
> >under the
> > > > > Note View
> > > > >   or Flat View -- I find it easier on the eyes and I use
> >bullets for
> > > > > everything.
> > > > >   I highlight priority with the red colors and it just 
shines
> >thru
> > > >on my
> > > > > Clie
> > > > >   610C.
> > > > >
> > > > > So my Shadow MTL looks very sharp, I supplement SP with 
Font
> >Hack
> > > >with
> > > > > Lubak's
> > > > >   fonts, amazing, crisp and clear, I use Handera 18B on the
> > > >standard and
> > > > > hr standard
> > > > >   with the symbols allocated properly, refer to his site 
for
> > > > > instruction, I either
> > > > >   link thru Shadow's link system or MW depending on the
> >situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Onto DBK5: DBK5 has some features that are simply 
incredible --
> > > >custom
> > > > > views,
> > > > >   eg. Birthday, Class Schedule, Dat Study Plan, etc. I have
> > > >configured
> > > > > my hard
> > > > >   buttons the following way: the datebook=DBK5, 
address=ActNms,
> > > > > todo=Shadow, memo=Quick Memo or Crypto Pad. On DBK5, I use 
the
> >view
> > > >that
> > > > > shows the week, biweekly, and 3-day view as my startup view
> >since I
> > > > > don't like ActNm's comparable view, grid 1 and grid 2.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also use the List view all my categories showing for both
> > > >appts/todos,
> > > > > all fonts are black and bold, very clear (I use Lubak's OS5
> >fonts
> > > >here).
> > > > > I like Dbk5 month/year views very nice to get a quick 
glance at
> > > >things
> > > > > eg, vacations or whatever you put with bold or big fonts.
> > > > >
> > > > > From Shadow, let's say I have to input something really 
quick
> >and I
> > > > > don't have to time to sort it into the correct list, here 
comes
> > > >Master
> > > > > Input Template:  I write it there or sometime if I'm on 
the go I
> > > >use Bug
> > > > > Me with an alarm for a couple hours so I have to time to
> >advance any
> > > > > ideas or thoughts that I wrote down quickly, works very 
well
> > > >because I
> > > > > don't have to sort immediately; once I have some time I 
quickly
> >use
> > > > > Shadow's Multi Clip function to paste where I want eg. 
Current
> > > >Action,
> > > > > this week, this month, this quarter, whatever. When I'm 
ready to
> > > >take
> > > > > action, I move it to Next Action with a set date for a 
todo or
> >a set
> > > > > time for an appt./meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I want to use a memo I use Crypto pad and then store it 
with
> > > >Quick
> > > > > Memo (their newest version imports directly from Crypto or 
Memo,
> > > >same
> > > > > thing, so its got a nice windows interface and its easy to
> >retrieve
> > > >any
> > > > > memos, eg. Registration Codes, for all the apps, Personal, 
Work,
> > > >School,
> > > > > you get the picture.
> > > > > ...........................................
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
> > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Frederick G. Turner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In May, there was a really thorough (long?) post by 
Jorge
> > > > > > Ledesma on
> > > > > > > the GtD_Palm list on Yahoo Groups about how he had
> > > > > > implemented the GTD
> > > > > > > method in Shadow, together with db5 and a slew of other
> >apps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps he could repost; if not, I'll look around, as 
I have
> > > >that
> > > > > > > stashed somewhere...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Or search the yahoogroups archives?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       If you find it, send it over to shadow-tips :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >             jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > Fred.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Marcia [mailto:creink@y...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've had Shadow for a while now, off and on my 
palm.  I
> >just
> > > > > > > > dl'ed 2.5 and I want to give it a try again.  I am a
> > > > > > > > registered user.  Can someone who uses GTD with 
Shadow
> >email
> > > > > > > > me privately and help me out?  I want to use it to 
help me
> > > > > > > > follow jobs I am doing and make my life easier but I 
don'
> >t
> > > > > > > > want to muck up this list with any OT stuff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marcia
> > > > > > > > I finally caught up with yesterday....by tomorrow I
> >should be
> > > > > > > > ready for today.
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From: msharnden  <mike@r...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:20am
Subject: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

Whew, got it working. Renaming the cache, filter, tags, etc didn't 
work. So I started renaming all of the lists that I had. The strange 
thing was, it was a list that hadn't been modified in 4 days. I just 
happy to be back up and listing again.

Thanks for the help Jeff!

Mike

From: msharnden  <mike@r...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 10:32am
Subject: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "msharnden" <mike@r...> wrote:
> Whew, got it working. Renaming the cache, filter, tags, etc didn't 
> work. So I started renaming all of the lists that I had. The 
strange 
> thing was, it was a list that hadn't been modified in 4 days. I 
just 
> happy to be back up and listing again.
> 
> Thanks for the help Jeff!
> 
> Mike

Ooops, spoke to soon. I still have a list or two (I haven't checked 
them all yet) that is corrupt. It crashes the OS when I try to open 
the list. Is there a way to recover the data from these? Of course it 
has to be my to do list. I was just starting to experiment with tags 
and views with this list. Could that be part of the problem?

From: wbornstein  <wbornstein@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: shadow and GTD

That sounds good.  This is one thing that had worked well for me in 
LB.  I had read on the GTD website that David Allen keeps a ToDo for 
each agenda item and uses the note field, but for the reasons you 
describe, that doesn't appeal to me.

Thanks for the tips.

Bill

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "paulbcf" <ext555@p...> wrote:
> Shadow is great for @Agenda lists!  Especially with the "send to 
> file " feature .   I keep a separate file for my boss and shoot 
> things to his list all the time.  I keep another shadow file for 
> general work related agendas and another for personal agendas. 
> 
> If an item needs to be on more than one persons list you can just 
> copy and "paste as child " under each one of the needed names --and 
> with the great "link to to do check box " it's easy to activate any 
> of them when needed. : )
> 
> I tried the individual to do for each person but the note screen 
and 
> all the cutting and pasting got too cumbersome. 
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Paul 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> > Hi Bill.  I am working with Meg Gott (a coach from DavidCo) and 
> what she 
> > suggested I do is create a category called @Agenda and have a 
> single todo 
> > item for each of my contexts.  Then I put the items to talk about 
> as part 
> > of a note for that context.  When I am meeting with a colleague I 
> can bring 
> > up the item with my agenda for that colleague.  The idea is that 
> if one of 
> > these agenda items becomes actionable (beyond having the 
> conversation) it 
> > becomes a separate to do item.  This works for me, but if you 
have 
> lots of 
> > those contexts, I could imagine you doing an @Agenda outline in 
> Shadow 
> > similar to the way I have implemented @Project.  Then each 
context 
> would be 
> > a top level item in @Agenda with whatever structure you want 
> > underneath.  For me, the simpler approach of putting the agenda 
as 
> a note 
> > works well.
> > 
> > best,
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > At 08:47 PM 8/1/02 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Thank you.  This sounds like a simple and clever approach along 
> the
> > >lines of what I'm looking for.  Do you have separate @ 
categories 
> in
> > >ToDo for agenda type contexts (e.g., people, committees, etc.)?  
I
> > >have a lot of these contexts.
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., George Wyner <gwyner@b...> wrote:
> > > > I, too, was using LB and think its a great app but ran into 
> similar
> > >issues
> > > > to those you describe.  I now use a combination of Shadow and 
> the
> > >Palm todo
> > > > list.  here is a quick sketch of my approach:
> > > >
> > > > all next actions and someday/maybes go in the Palm To Do.  I 
> use a
> > >small
> > > > set of categories to organize these by context.  When at the
> > >computer, for
> > > > example, I have a category called @Computer.
> > > >
> > > > I store my project list and check lists in Shadow.  For the 
> project
> > >list,
> > > > Each project is a top level item in the list.  All notes, 
> ideas,
> > >might do,
> > > > future actions are stored as subheadings of the project.  The 
> next
> > >action
> > > > or actions for a project are linked to the todo list, so they
> > >appear under
> > > > the project in Shadow, but also appear on the todo list.  This
> > >allows me to
> > > > use the Todo list for an action-oriented view and Shadow for a
> > >project
> > > > oriented view.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > At 09:04 PM 7/30/02 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Thank you for posting this. I didn't initiate this thread, 
> but I
> > >too
> > > > >am seeking something relatively simple.  I'm new to Shadow 
> (and
> > >still
> > > > >assessing its suitability for my needs) and have been using 
> LB for
> > > > >GTD.  I need to organize isolated action items,agenda, 
> projects,
> > >etc.
> > > > >and to display next actions by context, ranked by priority 
> and due
> > > > >date.  LB accomplished all this but I found the ranking 
> process to
> > >be
> > > > >not transparent enough (i.e., too cumbersome) and I didn't 
> find the
> > > > >balancing pie to be useful for my purposes.  I recognize that
> > >Shadow
> > > > >is extremely powerful and has much more functionality than I
> > >need.  I
> > > > >am trying to avoid increasing complexity further by using 
> multiple
> > > > >applications as described in this thread.  I am really 
trying 
> to
> > > > >assess whether there is a relatively simple way to use 
Shadow 
> as
> > >the
> > > > >single app for my todo/project needs.  I would very much 
> appreciate
> > > > >any help that anyone can provide to get me started that 
> explains a
> > > > >simple way to structure categories, lists, and tags to 
> accomplish
> > > > >these goals.
> > > > >Thanks.
> > > > >Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Frederick G. Turner" <fred@s...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > I'm reposting an edited version of Jorge Ledesma's
> > > > > > (jledesma28@y...) original GTD method post (originally 
> posted to
> > > > > > the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > Fred.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ............ Jorge's original message (sorry for the
> > >paraphrasing)
> > > > > > ...................
> > > > > > Applications used: DateBk5, ActionNames, Shadow, Mega 
> Wiki, Mega
> > > > > > Launcher,
> > > > > >   Crypto Pad, Quick Memo, Bug Me(all shareware except 
> Crypto and
> > > > > > MegaWiki).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All my todo's and appt are handled and sorted thru Shadow,
> > >where I
> > > > > > highlight
> > > > > >   and filter by priority. My main list is called Main 
Task 
> List
> > > > >with the
> > > > > > following parents:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Next Action
> > > > > > * Current Action
> > > > > > * Finance & Bills
> > > > > > * Home & Family
> > > > > > * Physics
> > > > > > * DAT Study Schedule
> > > > > > * Clie & GTD
> > > > > > * General Sometime Maybe
> > > > > > * Master Input Template
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Under Next Action, Current Action, F & B, H & F, Cie & 
GTD 
> I
> > >have
> > > > >the
> > > > > > following
> > > > > >   children:
> > > > > > This Week, This Month, This Quarter, all the main setups 
> are
> > >under
> > > > > > Custom
> > > > > >   (as you know you can change on command) but I re-sort it
> > >under the
> > > > > > Note View
> > > > > >   or Flat View -- I find it easier on the eyes and I use
> > >bullets for
> > > > > > everything.
> > > > > >   I highlight priority with the red colors and it just 
> shines
> > >thru
> > > > >on my
> > > > > > Clie
> > > > > >   610C.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So my Shadow MTL looks very sharp, I supplement SP with 
> Font
> > >Hack
> > > > >with
> > > > > > Lubak's
> > > > > >   fonts, amazing, crisp and clear, I use Handera 18B on 
the
> > > > >standard and
> > > > > > hr standard
> > > > > >   with the symbols allocated properly, refer to his site 
> for
> > > > > > instruction, I either
> > > > > >   link thru Shadow's link system or MW depending on the
> > >situation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Onto DBK5: DBK5 has some features that are simply 
> incredible --
> > > > >custom
> > > > > > views,
> > > > > >   eg. Birthday, Class Schedule, Dat Study Plan, etc. I 
have
> > > > >configured
> > > > > > my hard
> > > > > >   buttons the following way: the datebook=DBK5, 
> address=ActNms,
> > > > > > todo=Shadow, memo=Quick Memo or Crypto Pad. On DBK5, I 
use 
> the
> > >view
> > > > >that
> > > > > > shows the week, biweekly, and 3-day view as my startup 
view
> > >since I
> > > > > > don't like ActNm's comparable view, grid 1 and grid 2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also use the List view all my categories showing for 
both
> > > > >appts/todos,
> > > > > > all fonts are black and bold, very clear (I use Lubak's 
OS5
> > >fonts
> > > > >here).
> > > > > > I like Dbk5 month/year views very nice to get a quick 
> glance at
> > > > >things
> > > > > > eg, vacations or whatever you put with bold or big fonts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From Shadow, let's say I have to input something really 
> quick
> > >and I
> > > > > > don't have to time to sort it into the correct list, here 
> comes
> > > > >Master
> > > > > > Input Template:  I write it there or sometime if I'm on 
> the go I
> > > > >use Bug
> > > > > > Me with an alarm for a couple hours so I have to time to
> > >advance any
> > > > > > ideas or thoughts that I wrote down quickly, works very 
> well
> > > > >because I
> > > > > > don't have to sort immediately; once I have some time I 
> quickly
> > >use
> > > > > > Shadow's Multi Clip function to paste where I want eg. 
> Current
> > > > >Action,
> > > > > > this week, this month, this quarter, whatever. When I'm 
> ready to
> > > > >take
> > > > > > action, I move it to Next Action with a set date for a 
> todo or
> > >a set
> > > > > > time for an appt./meeting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I want to use a memo I use Crypto pad and then store 
it 
> with
> > > > >Quick
> > > > > > Memo (their newest version imports directly from Crypto 
or 
> Memo,
> > > > >same
> > > > > > thing, so its got a nice windows interface and its easy to
> > >retrieve
> > > > >any
> > > > > > memos, eg. Registration Codes, for all the apps, 
Personal, 
> Work,
> > > > >School,
> > > > > > you get the picture.
> > > > > > ...........................................
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:42 AM
> > > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Frederick G. Turner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In May, there was a really thorough (long?) post by 
> Jorge
> > > > > > > Ledesma on
> > > > > > > > the GtD_Palm list on Yahoo Groups about how he had
> > > > > > > implemented the GTD
> > > > > > > > method in Shadow, together with db5 and a slew of 
other
> > >apps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps he could repost; if not, I'll look around, as 
> I have
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > stashed somewhere...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >       Or search the yahoogroups archives?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >       If you find it, send it over to shadow-tips :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >             jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > Fred.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Marcia [mailto:creink@y...]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] shadow and GTD
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've had Shadow for a while now, off and on my 
> palm.  I
> > >just
> > > > > > > > > dl'ed 2.5 and I want to give it a try again.  I am a
> > > > > > > > > registered user.  Can someone who uses GTD with 
> Shadow
> > >email
> > > > > > > > > me privately and help me out?  I want to use it to 
> help me
> > > > > > > > > follow jobs I am doing and make my life easier but 
I 
> don'
> > >t
> > > > > > > > > want to muck up this list with any OT stuff.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Marcia
> > > > > > > > > I finally caught up with yesterday....by tomorrow I
> > >should be
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From: saverio_maviglia  <GIUDBYVGVWWG@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 3:53pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

I used to program extensively, but never on the Palm, so I don't 
know.  However, is there some way you could recycle the code in 
Shadow that does these functions?  Perhaps at the time views are 
created/edited, there could be a function to create a corresponding 
launching-applet.  To simplify matters, you could have the applet 
specify only the view, and just use the currently opened Shadow file 
at the time the applet is executed.  In that case, maybe the only 
thing that has to be changed between applets is the applet name, like 
with DateBk.  Again, I am brainstorming without the benefit of 
knowing how either the Palm OS or Shadow really work.  However, I 
would find it extremely useful to have one large file of projects 
that can be quickly launched with any of a few different views.
-saverio

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
> 
> > What if all the applet did was to write the file name, filter, 
and 
> > view in a PDB file and the immediately launched Shadow.  Shadow 
could 
> > read the file and do its processing.  If the user changed the 
file, 
> 
> 	That wouldn't be how it would be done; but more important is 
how
> does the other app know what views exist, so that it can display 
them to
> you to pick, to write into your pdb? :)
> 
> 		jeff

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: Re: enhancement request: drawing

OK: TealNotes is a hack that enables you to insert a drawing in records in 
various apps; initially in the built-in apps (in AddressBook, for a 
location map; in ToDo to show the exact shape of the widget that you add to 
your shopping list; in MemoPad as an outline of whatever you are designing; 
etc) but also in various other apps.  I use it in Hi-Note and ShadowPlan; I 
don't think I've used it in many others yet, but I haven't yet come across 
a "text-entry" app that TealNote does NOT work in

When in your relevant Address, ToDo, DateBook item or Memo, you simply 
launch TealNote (I normally use shortcut+i, but there are various "launch 
methods", and it inserts a "screen-within-a-screen" into which you can put 
your drawing (and text, shading, etc). Once the drawing is finished, click 
on "OK" and the screen re-draws to leave the drawing embedded in the Memo 
or whatever

I think it is great (though I barely use it to its full potential)

The great benefit is that you do NOT need to jump out of the app you are 
using: TealNote embeds the drawing within the app's record. You can also 
access the TealNote database through Hackmaster or whatever, if you need 
to, but in normal use you would go to the ShadowPlan list for your house 
extension, find the relevant entry, open it (I have only tried putting the 
TealNote drawings in notes, mind you) and there is the drawing of the 
garage door hinge or whatever

I hope this is clear and not too long-winded!

At 15:33 02/08/2002 +0000, Alex.Fung.Ho-san wrote:
>Can you briefly explain what you mean by using TealNotes in other
>applications? I suppose you draw pictures using TN, and what has it
>to do with SP? That is, what exactly is "using TN in SP"? Do I jump
>from SP into TN and TN back to SP with the picture linked at an SP
>list item?

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.0, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:26pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

I'm intrigued.

Jeff, programmatically you can receive the view ID in the matchCustom field
in GoToParamsType to open the specified file and apply the view, no?  Or do
you already have another way built-in to do that?  I can see a Desk Accesory
type app to both set up and jump to the file/view/filter combo.  Of course,
you'd have to spill the beans on the internals of ShadViews...hmmm...

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] launching applets


> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
>
> > Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> > configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
> > and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
> > combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
> > EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  Jeff,
> > is something like that easy to implement?
>
> Tough to implement, in that each *other* app would have to know
> how to invoke Shadow for each view, etc, and woudl need to know how to
> query the view listing, to let you set up the views in those apps. So its
> not too much work on Shadows side, but lots of work for a lot of other
> people.
>
> jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, msharnden wrote:

> Ooops, spoke to soon. I still have a list or two (I haven't checked
> them all yet) that is corrupt. It crashes the OS when I try to open
> the list. Is there a way to recover the data from these? Of course it
> has to be my to do list. I was just starting to experiment with tags
> and views with this list. Could that be part of the problem?

	Strange; Shadow is very stable.. I've never heard of a file
crashign the unit.

	I will be adding a repair operation ot the desktop in awhile.

	For now, if you like, given a pdb file I can extract all the text
for you, to import back in. If you have the desktop and an XML backup, you
can make a new pdb to upload, too, or have the desktop upload it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:

> I used to program extensively, but never on the Palm, so I don't 
> know.  However, is there some way you could recycle the code in 
> Shadow that does these functions?  Perhaps at the time views are 
> created/edited, there could be a function to create a corresponding 
> launching-applet.  To simplify matters, you could have the applet 
> specify only the view, and just use the currently opened Shadow file 
> at the time the applet is executed.  In that case, maybe the only 
> thing that has to be changed between applets is the applet name, like 
> with DateBk.  Again, I am brainstorming without the benefit of 
> knowing how either the Palm OS or Shadow really work.  However, I 
> would find it extremely useful to have one large file of projects 
> that can be quickly launched with any of a few different views.

	See, it bloats into a lot of work, is what I'm saying ;)

	If your launcher is smart enough, you can launch Shadow by
file.. that can help. Or use MegaWiki and Piki to do launchign Shadow into
specific places..

		jeff

> -saverio
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
> > 
> > > What if all the applet did was to write the file name, filter, 
> and 
> > > view in a PDB file and the immediately launched Shadow.  Shadow 
> could 
> > > read the file and do its processing.  If the user changed the 
> file, 
> > 
> > 	That wouldn't be how it would be done; but more important is 
> how
> > does the other app know what views exist, so that it can display 
> them to
> > you to pick, to write into your pdb? :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: enhancement request: drawing

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> OK: TealNotes is a hack that enables you to insert a drawing in
> records in various apps; initially in the built-in apps (in
> AddressBook, for a location map; in ToDo to show the exact shape of
> the widget that you add to your shopping list; in MemoPad as an
> outline of whatever you are designing;  etc) but also in various other
> apps.  I use it in Hi-Note and ShadowPlan; I don't think I've used it
> in many others yet, but I haven't yet come across a "text-entry" app
> that TealNote does NOT work in

	Does anyone know if it works in high res yet? It used to do
terrible things on high res units in the past..

> I hope this is clear and not too long-winded!

	I tried TealNote in the past; I think I'll try it again, see if it
works in high res. I loved it :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> I'm intrigued.
> 
> Jeff, programmatically you can receive the view ID in the matchCustom field
> in GoToParamsType to open the specified file and apply the view, no?  Or do

	Sure, exactly what I meant; it wouldn't be too hard for Shadow to
handle its side -- receive a view-id or a filter-id or the like, through
any number of means. It woudl be custom for Shadow, since its Shadow Views
and such anyway, so might as well use a goto-block and I coudl define a
struct people could send my way.

	But for it to work, Shadow woudl need to receive a view-id (or a
view-name, perhaps, but that woudl be less accurate, a little slower, and
subject to confusion in multiple-similar-names etc). So I'd have to have a
launch code where Shadow returns a struct listing off the View Names and
view-id that corresponds. Then the other app could show a list of views,
and then launch shadow with a goto-request and a view-override or
something.

	So lots of work on both sides. (unless I misunderstand the desired
intent)

> you already have another way built-in to do that?  I can see a Desk
> Accesory type app to both set up and jump to the file/view/filter
> combo.  Of course, you'd have to spill the beans on the internals of
> ShadViews...hmmm...

	I don't mind; Shadow would be open source if I could, but it
can't. (Open source doesnt' pay the bills; Open source and commercial are
complentary and must both exist, though most open-source people haven't
figured it out yet ;)

	jefftired

	(all night data restore... fun :/)

> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] launching applets
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:
> >
> > > Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> > > configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
> > > and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
> > > combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
> > > EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  Jeff,
> > > is something like that easy to implement?
> >
> > Tough to implement, in that each *other* app would have to know
> > how to invoke Shadow for each view, etc, and woudl need to know how to
> > query the view listing, to let you set up the views in those apps. So its
> > not too much work on Shadows side, but lots of work for a lot of other
> > people.
> >
> > jeff
> 
> 
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From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 6:54pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>

> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:
>
> > I'm intrigued.
> >
> > Jeff, programmatically you can receive the view ID in the matchCustom
field
> > in GoToParamsType to open the specified file and apply the view, no?  Or
do
>
> Sure, exactly what I meant; it wouldn't be too hard for Shadow to
> handle its side -- receive a view-id or a filter-id or the like, through
> any number of means. It woudl be custom for Shadow, since its Shadow Views
> and such anyway, so might as well use a goto-block and I coudl define a
> struct people could send my way.
>
> But for it to work, Shadow woudl need to receive a view-id (or a
> view-name, perhaps, but that woudl be less accurate, a little slower, and
> subject to confusion in multiple-similar-names etc). So I'd have to have a
> launch code where Shadow returns a struct listing off the View Names and

Why?  Once ShadViews internals are known, why can't an app just look in
there for the view-id and associated view names?  Then you just need to
handle the view-overide in the goto-request.  Or is there some other magic
that needs to be considered?  Is your view-id the record number in
ShadViews, or the record unique id?

Too much context might have been snipped out...here's the original request
from saverio:

Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  Jeff,
is something like that easy to implement?
-saverio

For those who would use such a utility, how would you envision interacting
with such an app in terms of setting up the list-view combo and jumping to
Shadow with such?

Ling

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:11pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> Why?  Once ShadViews internals are known, why can't an app just look in
> there for the view-id and associated view names?  Then you just need to
> handle the view-overide in the goto-request.  Or is there some other magic
> that needs to be considered?  Is your view-id the record number in
> ShadViews, or the record unique id?

	Publishign ShadViews is one way, but then I'd be limited as to how
I change it; an interface through launchcodes would be more portable in
the future (it would work with OS5), and keeps it more generic. Whatever.
And yeah, each view includes a view-id (not the uniqueID). (I used the
unique-id in the conduit before learning what a mistake that was, since
its only unique until you reset, and is subject to change sometimes, etc)

> Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file

	I've not used DateBk much to know what hes talking about :)

		jeff

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From: Yaakov Shlafman  <shlaf@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

I believe the point is that YOU, Jeff, would create these applets as a
complimentary optional tools for ShadowPlan - many developers do that, e.g.
DateBk5 distribution contains 4 "stub" apps which launch the DateBk5 in a given
view; LapTopHack comes with 10 mini-apps each launching corresponding
LapTopHack script etc.

Better approach is done by LispMe (an open source Scheme programming language
interpreter for Palm).  Here's how that approach would work in the case of SP:
In a dialog, the user selects a view, a filter, enters a name for the "applet",
and then SP would the ".prc" file right on board Palm - with given name, some
standard icon in the App screen.  Tapping that icon would launch the mailland
SP with the given view, filter, list - whatever.  Doable and elegant, imho.

-- Yaakov

--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:
> 
> > Why?  Once ShadViews internals are known, why can't an app just look in
> > there for the view-id and associated view names?  Then you just need to
> > handle the view-overide in the goto-request.  Or is there some other magic
> > that needs to be considered?  Is your view-id the record number in
> > ShadViews, or the record unique id?
> 
> 	Publishign ShadViews is one way, but then I'd be limited as to how
> I change it; an interface through launchcodes would be more portable in
> the future (it would work with OS5), and keeps it more generic. Whatever.
> And yeah, each view includes a view-id (not the uniqueID). (I used the
> unique-id in the conduit before learning what a mistake that was, since
> its only unique until you reset, and is subject to change sometimes, etc)
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:30pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Yaakov Shlafman wrote:

> I believe the point is that YOU, Jeff, would create these applets as a
> complimentary optional tools for ShadowPlan - many developers do that, e.g.
> DateBk5 distribution contains 4 "stub" apps which launch the DateBk5 in a given
> view; LapTopHack comes with 10 mini-apps each launching corresponding
> LapTopHack script etc.
> 
> Better approach is done by LispMe (an open source Scheme programming language
> interpreter for Palm).  Here's how that approach would work in the case of SP:
> In a dialog, the user selects a view, a filter, enters a name for the "applet",
> and then SP would the ".prc" file right on board Palm - with given name, some
> standard icon in the App screen.  Tapping that icon would launch the mailland
> SP with the given view, filter, list - whatever.  Doable and elegant, imho.

	OKay, sure, this sort of thing is possible (though how I'd do it
woudl be evil ;).

	Given filters, views, and lists can all change and be deleted,
etc, what happens when you invoke the applet and theres an error?

	It would be a little work to create the interface to display
options and to make the applet and all that, so its not on my list of
things to worry about for awhile; desktop must be the focus. Interesting
idea though.

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: saverio_maviglia  <GIUDBYVGVWWG@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Russ & Ling" <rnlnero@y...> wrote:
> 
> Too much context might have been snipped out...here's the original 
request
> from saverio:
> 
> Would anyone else find it useful to have Shadow be launchable with
> configurable mini-apps like DateBk which would specify a target file
> and starting view and filter?  That way, each such file/view/filter
> combination could be attached to a pen swipe or button (with
> EasyLaunch, for example), or be the target of a MegaWiki link.  
Jeff,
> is something like that easy to implement?
> -saverio
> 
> For those who would use such a utility, how would you envision 
interacting
> with such an app in terms of setting up the list-view combo and 
jumping to
> Shadow with such?
> 
> Ling

I would imagine a function within Shadow, or a separate program on 
the Palm, or even a desktop program, that would accept inputs of file 
name, view name (or id), and perhaps a filter, which would then 
output a PRC or DA that could be installed on the Palm and accessed 
via one of the hardware buttons or as a pen swipe (ie. ala Easylaunch 
+/- Piki), or by a MegaWiki link.  With this in place, I would keep a 
single master Shadow list of multiple projects, but with one or two 
quick clicks or swipes be able to quickly view everything I need 
related to a single project, everything related to a single location 
or context, everything with a certain due date or such, etc.  As it 
stands now, I have projects in separate lists, but cannot view items 
across lists that have the same context filter, for instance.  I 
could just put everything into one Shadow file and continually call 
on different view and filter combinations, but I would love to be 
able to do this all in one step, without first having to launch 
Shadow, load the correct file, choose the desired view, and finally 
apply a filter.

From: saverio_maviglia  <GIUDBYVGVWWG@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: Re: launching applets

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Yaakov Shlafman wrote:
> 
> > I believe the point is that YOU, Jeff, would create these applets 
as a
> > complimentary optional tools for ShadowPlan - many developers do 
that, e.g.
> > DateBk5 distribution contains 4 "stub" apps which launch the 
DateBk5 in a given
> > view; LapTopHack comes with 10 mini-apps each launching 
corresponding
> > LapTopHack script etc.
> > 
> > Better approach is done by LispMe (an open source Scheme 
programming language
> > interpreter for Palm).  Here's how that approach would work in 
the case of SP:
> > In a dialog, the user selects a view, a filter, enters a name for 
the "applet",
> > and then SP would the ".prc" file right on board Palm - with 
given name, some
> > standard icon in the App screen.  Tapping that icon would launch 
the mailland
> > SP with the given view, filter, list - whatever.  Doable and 
elegant, imho.
> 
> 	OKay, sure, this sort of thing is possible (though how I'd do 
it
> woudl be evil ;).
> 
> 	Given filters, views, and lists can all change and be deleted,
> etc, what happens when you invoke the applet and theres an error?
> 
> 	It would be a little work to create the interface to display
> options and to make the applet and all that, so its not on my list 
of
> things to worry about for awhile; desktop must be the focus. 
Interesting
> idea though.
> 
> 		jeff


I think the easiest thing would be that if a file is undefined, open 
to the file list.  If the view is undefined, assume no view.  Anyway, 
I think the idea is cool, too, but defer to your prioritization and 
schedule.

Thanks for considering it and thinking out loud with me.

-saverio

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, saverio_maviglia wrote:

> +/- Piki), or by a MegaWiki link.  With this in place, I would keep a 
> single master Shadow list of multiple projects, but with one or two 
> quick clicks or swipes be able to quickly view everything I need 
> related to a single project, everything related to a single location 
> or context, everything with a certain due date or such, etc.  As it 
> stands now, I have projects in separate lists, but cannot view items 
> across lists that have the same context filter, for instance.  I 
> could just put everything into one Shadow file and continually call 
> on different view and filter combinations, but I would love to be 
> able to do this all in one step, without first having to launch 
> Shadow, load the correct file, choose the desired view, and finally 
> apply a filter.

	BTW, Shadow can already "load and goto" a file (if your launcher
can do it); filter can be tied to a view, and changing Views under [V] is
only two taps, so pretty quick. So you can pretty quckly do things
already..

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 7:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: shadow and GTD

Quoting George Wyner <gwyner@b...>:

> all next actions and someday/maybes go in the Palm To Do.  I use a small 
> set of categories to organize these by context.  When at the computer, for 
> example, I have a category called @Computer.
> 
> I store my project list and check lists in Shadow.  For the project list, 
> Each project is a top level item in the list.  All notes, ideas, might do, 
> future actions are stored as subheadings of the project.  The next action 
> or actions for a project are linked to the todo list, so they appear under 
> the project in Shadow, but also appear on the todo list.  This allows me to
> 
> use the Todo list for an action-oriented view and Shadow for a project 
> oriented view.

I've recently settled on this same approach I try to keep only my next actions 
in the Palm To Do List. As actions are completed, I sever the link to To Do and 
link whatever the next one is. The main advantage of this approach is that the 
To Do list stays uncluttered, but all your past and future to dos are tracked 
and sorted by project for easy review in Shadow. Also, it retains the 
convenience of always being able to directly access your to do list via the to 
do button.

The downside is that there can be quite a lot of shuttling back and forth 
between Shadow and To Do List to sever and create links and to place to dos in 
the appropriate spot in the Projects list. (I've been meaning to see if 
ShadowLink will make this any easier, but haven't got around to it yet.) I'm 
still experimenting, but I think that some of this work could be done as part 
of a weekly or daily review. This would involve severing the links for all the 
completed todos and importing new todos into the appropriate spot in the 
Projects list in Shadow.

I could probably accomplish the same functionality with tags, filters and 
views, but I like the simplicity and clear sense of separation of distinct 
lists for to dos and projects. Also, until very recently, I was using a Palm 
IIIxe and there was a noticable delay in opening the big projects list. The To 
Do List, on the other hand, would open instantly.

I suppose I could use a second Shadow list instead of todo but then I wouldn't 
be able to use the hardware button to get at my list. I think that the ability 
to link specific Shadow lists to buttons or stylus strokes (which someone has 
slready suggested) would be a really useful feature.

I have To Do List categories for all of my contexts (@computer, @phone, etc.). 
I also have a category each for agendas and waiting fors. The todos in these 
categories all start with the name of the person so they stay together. That 
way I can easily review the items for when I speak to the person. Using a 
single to do for each person and a note for agenda items would work to, but 
then you would lose the ability to link each one back the projects list. When I 
review my projects, I'd like to see that the next action is to speak to someone 
about an issue or to wait for a response on something.

--
Kevin Brown
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From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 2, 2002 9:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: launching applets

Yeah, I have launcher III and I just used Filez to check the lauchable bit, 
now I have icons in my launcher for my main shadow files.

-----------------
	BTW, Shadow can already "load and goto" a file (if your launcher
can do it); filter can be tied to a view, and changing Views under [V] is
only two taps, so pretty quick. So you can pretty quckly do things
already..


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From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 1:42am
Subject: Re: [Feature Request] Timers in ShadowPlan

Hi Paul

I've also been experimenting with Titrax and exporting to Datebk 5.  
I've also tried recording times in Titrax, exporting it to Datebk5, 
then used Hours to do something with billing amounts, but that was 
too much trouble.  Datebk allows exports of logged time with a 
calculation, but I haven't really experimented with it (pg 29 of the 
manual).  I already have software that does this in my main time 
costing/billing system, and to move away from it, doesn't make 
sense.  So, I just record it in Titrax and then dictate it together 
with additional information and notes for my PA to do the rest. As 
long as I have a record of the time logged and a notes to remind me, 
I can do the rest later.

I can see where you're coming from though, if you're on the move and 
need to do time based billings while on the move.

To have a stopwatch facility in SP with the ability to notate the 
reason for the time spent when I am out and about and away from the 
main software would be great because my projects (clients) are 
already set up in SP.  Otherwise, Titrax is sufficient for me.

I have already set up tags as time units (there was a good thread 
about this a few weeks ago where this was discussed) in half hour 
blocks that I use to control total time and progress spent on jobs, 
but this is basic project management, not billing information which, 
for me, is not the same thing.

For anyone that is interested, I have a large number of projects, 
they vary in time, but have the same basic 8 steps from start to 
finish.  I'm a tax accountant and most of the work is tax 
compliance.  The main part of each job that is different for each 
client is the preparation of financial data which varies with the 
client and is the point where the over-runs, problems, etc occur. 
Sometimes I need to quote a price for the whole job, but mostly it is 
an expectation of time (which is the basis for the fee) to be spent 
on the job/project and apart from the main part of the job, the 
process around it does not vary much.  Anything outside of this type 
of work is likely to be complex or different and requires case-by-
case controls.

I have set up 2 categories for the time unit tags one called "< 10 
hrs" and the other is called "> 9 hrs" to easily find them, otherwise 
I have to wade through too many tag screens and it gets annoying.

I have also set up a separate list which is a template of these steps 
with saved views and the time tags for the steps that don't vary in 
time already added.  In this list, the parent becomes the client's 
name when I add it to my project list and the children are the steps 
in the process.

To the parent, I add a tag with the total budgeted time to be spent 
and the children have the broken down time.  I use this information 
together with my time tracking reports to review for possible cost 
problems.  I can do this easily because there are only 3 or so tags 
that I need to add up in my head to compare with the time reports if 
things are starting to look bad.  The child where the main part of 
the job occurs, gets special treatment and has notes and tags that 
describe each stage or any problems related to it.  I thought about 
giving this task children of it's own, but I find that tags work 
better and I only give it children if I need to link the action to 
a "todo".  The total time in the parent tag is handy for when I 
compare to the time reports with the SP list collapsed or with 
the "next step" filter.

Jeff, tags and saved views are a real credit to you.

Rita


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "paulbcf" <ext555@p...> wrote:
> I don't think the app would pick up the shadow links to datebook 
but 
> I'm going to try this with Titrax
> 
> It's a bit tedious (misc text fields would be great down the 
> road ; )     but if you copy from shadow and paste into Titrax--
that 
> would do your tracking for you but I'm not sure if it would let you 
> go back to shadow easily?  You can also log titrax to the datebook 
> as entries --Titrax works best with Datebk3-5 because it can log 
> appts by the minute.  Wouldn't have a shadow link to datebk that 
way 
> hmmmm. 
> 
> Titrax is freeware last time I checked www.titrax.com
> should be on palmgear too. 
> 
> Paul 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, dionv wrote:
> > 
> > > 1) Track each individual time spent on a project or task (8am -
> > > 8:45am, then 9:30 - 10:00 for Admin, 8:45 - 9:30 for coffee 
> break,
> > > etc.) (Like Hours on PalmGear)
> > 
> > 	I suppose a weighting column could handle this (with parental
> > summation). Or a misc-field with @sum type operation. OR use tags 
> and
> > manually add them up.
> > 
> > > 2) Simply act as a stopwatch and track cumulative time spent 
(3hr
> > > 45min on Tech Support, but it was spread over the whole day) 
> (Like
> > > TimeTracker, also on PalmGear)
> > 
> > 	Wish one coudl invoke something like that separetly, and have
> > Shadow pick up the results.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: neilbothams  <neil.bothams@b...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:27am
Subject: How to filter based on date created?

Hi

Is there a way to filter items based on when they were created?
The closest I can find is changed/edited.

Neil

From: podemskir  <podemskir@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Keyboard commands

The manual lists only eight keyboard commands.  Are there more?  If 
so, where can I find a complete list?  I use the keyboard for text 
input a lot and would like to minimize the need to tap with the 
stylus?

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: shadow and GTD

I also prefer to use the ToDo app for all and only Next Actions, and 
Shadow for Projects.

I notice that you shy away from using Shadow instead of the ToDo app 
because of the "convenience of always being able to directly access your 
to do list via the to do button." But you can simply program you ToDo 
button to got directly to Shadow if you want.

Kevin Brown wrote:
> 
> I've recently settled on this same approach I try to keep only my next actions 
> in the Palm To Do List. As actions are completed, I sever the link to To Do and 
> link whatever the next one is. The main advantage of this approach is that the 
> To Do list stays uncluttered, but all your past and future to dos are tracked 
> and sorted by project for easy review in Shadow. Also, it retains the 
> convenience of always being able to directly access your to do list via the to 
> do button.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: msharnden  <mike@r...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Help - Fatal Alerts

OK, crisis solved again (I think).

I installed the problem file from a back up and it works fine now.

I tried all my other files and it was just the one. 

> 	Strange; Shadow is very stable.. I've never heard of a file
> crashign the unit.
> 

Thanks again for the help.
Mike

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:08pm
Subject: Re: How to filter based on date created?

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, neilbothams wrote:

> Is there a way to filter items based on when they were created?
> The closest I can find is changed/edited.

	Custom filters do not yet have a creation-date comparator; sorry
about that. Bug me again in awhile once I've recovered from storm damage
and I'll see about getting it into an alpha.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:09pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard commands

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, podemskir wrote:

> The manual lists only eight keyboard commands.  Are there more?  If
> so, where can I find a complete list?  I use the keyboard for text
> input a lot and would like to minimize the need to tap with the
> stylus?

	Pull down the menus in the application; most menu items have a
keyboard shortcut listed right there in the menu. Also, arrow keys and
page up/down often work, too, as well as fancy keys ont he keyboard (like
New, Cancel, etc)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 2:32am
Subject: Re: Keyboard commands

Jeff,

I was noticing that there's no shortcut for Find. Any chance we can
get one set up?

Thanks.
--
Michael Rudnick                         
egroups@r...

Saturday, August 3, 2002, 6:09:12 PM, you wrote:
JM> On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, podemskir wrote:

JM>       Pull down the menus in the application; most menu items have a
JM> keyboard shortcut listed right there in the menu. Also, arrow keys and
JM> page up/down often work, too, as well as fancy keys ont he keyboard (like
JM> New, Cancel, etc)

From: lrathje  <larsrathje@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:16am
Subject: New from link to datebook?

Hi!

The New from.. feature is very cool. I can get it to work for todo's 
but not for datebook. Either the list is empty or only one or two 
appointments shows up. I use DateBK5 but the problem is there both if 
I set preferences to DateBK5 or DateBook. Anyone who have experienced 
this or can explain what I've missed?

Regards
Lars

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Re: shadow and GTD

Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:

>    Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 10:32:50 -0700
>    From:
>Subject: Re:
>
>I also prefer to use the ToDo app for all and only Next Actions, and
>Shadow for Projects.
>
>I notice that you shy away from using Shadow instead of the ToDo app
>because of the "convenience of always being able to directly access your
>to do list via the to do button." But you can simply program you ToDo
>button to got directly to Shadow if you want.


I know that the to do button can be programmed to go to Shadow. 
Unfortunately, however, it can't (as far as I know and I'd love to be 
corrected on this) be programmed to go to a particular *list* in 
Shadow. It just goes to whatever list you'd been working on last time 
you were in Shadow.


-- 
Kevin Brown
Richmond Hill, Ontario
mailto:zephyr@t...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 0:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Keyboard commands

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> I was noticing that there's no shortcut for Find. Any chance we can
> get one set up?

	Global or local find? Global find has a button on your silkscreen,
and most keyboards have a Find button.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 0:55am
Subject: Re: New from link to datebook?

On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, lrathje wrote:

> The New from.. feature is very cool. I can get it to work for todo's
> but not for datebook. Either the list is empty or only one or two
> appointments shows up. I use DateBK5 but the problem is there both if
> I set preferences to DateBK5 or DateBook. Anyone who have experienced
> this or can explain what I've missed?

	Seems most common for DB5 users; I suspect is has something todo
with database sort order.. try changing sort orders if you can? I will ve
investigating it in awhile.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Pankratz  <bob@r...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:52am
Subject: [Feature Request] Support DateBk5 History DB

Shadow already does a super jobs linking to the Databases.  Datebk5 has 
introduced the history database. Would it be unreasonable to hope that a 
future version of shadow would support the History Database?  It's just 
a different name with the same format as the stock DateBook.pdb with the 
one caveat that the completed Todo's get archived as completed floating 
appointments.

My be issue is I'd like my links to still be valid after a Datebook - 
todo archive to history.  I archive Monthly to keep the datebook fast 
and snappy and to protect my data from sync errors with MS Outlook.

Thoughts?