From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 7:54pm
Subject: To fellow Shadowers

With this new release, it would be interesting to know how some of 
you are using all this neat features like tags, custom views, etc, 
etc.

Also does anybody set tags as names, I'm curious to see some examples
(Tormod), it seem like a very powerful feature for project planning 
and the likes

TIA

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 8:11pm
Subject: Re: To fellow Shadowers

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> With this new release, it would be interesting to know how some of 
> you are using all this neat features like tags, custom views, etc, 
> etc.

	And if you have any good ideas, post them to shadow-tips :)

> Also does anybody set tags as names, I'm curious to see some examples
> (Tormod), it seem like a very powerful feature for project planning
> and the likes

	Yep; See the Ref Guide for some example ideas for tags, gleaned
from my personal use, from observing the alpha testers, and from out in
space.

	I use a few names as tags, and states mostly (Active, Funded,
On-hold, Waiting-On, etc). So I flag a project as Active and Funded, and
then filter for funded, and/or active, fairly commonly. I also put peoples
names in there (some as address links, some as tags, as I've not moved
everythign to tags yet), and use filters to obtain lists by person.

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jdub733  <jdub733@y...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 11:44pm
Subject: Re: To fellow Shadowers

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > With this new release, it would be interesting to know how some of 
> > you are using all this neat features like tags, custom views, etc, 
> > etc.
> 
> 	And if you have any good ideas, post them to shadow-tips :)

No tips just yet...but I wanted to say after having a good sniff around in the app 
and the manual (first time since v1.5), this is one hell of a killer app! Nice and 
flexible. Who thought an outliner would do so much?

Even the external card handling is smooth...

Need-to-go-and-think... ;)

Jules.

From: klynngullo  <klynngullo@a...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 11:50pm
Subject: Re: To fellow Shadowers

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "jledesma28" <jledesma28@y...> wrote:
> With this new release, it would be interesting to know how some of 
> you are using all this neat features like tags, custom views, etc, 
> etc.

These are EXACTLY the features, especially tags, that I'd been hoping 
would be added to Shadow!!!  I've always wanted a way to keep a 
record of my activities and be able to sort/filter it based on names, 
activities, subjects etc.  2.5 blows any other app away!!!
> 
> Also does anybody set tags as names, I'm curious to see some 
examples
> (Tormod), it seem like a very powerful feature for project planning 
> and the likes

Yes, until I upgrade my Palm to one with OS4.0 I'm using names as 
tags, but I'd prefer just to link to their address book entries and 
filter by address links.  Still, the tag is just a useful (I just 
hate doubling up by linking both to the address book and a tag....)
> 
> TIA

From: TEWoerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:02am
Subject: Re: Ver 2.5.0 Sync problem

Thanks.  This was my oversight (see other posts).  Came from trying 
to do things too quickly.

Tim

From: TEWoerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: ShadowPlan Manual

Not being able to read the whole manual while online, I tried 
printing it but ran into script errors.  Anyone have tips on how I 
might be able to print it out?

Tim

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:36pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, TEWoerner wrote:

> Not being able to read the whole manual while online, I tried 
> printing it but ran into script errors.  Anyone have tips on how I 
> might be able to print it out?

	Try another version of the browser, or load it into Word and
print?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:07pm
Subject: Moving To Do's forward..

Not strictly Shadow related, but part of the whole PDA
experience..

	I do keep ToDo's. They often come out of Shadow, but often they do
not.. just ad-hoc todos I whip up, and don't want them brought into
Shadow. (I keep misc household To Do's just as flat simple todos.
Auto-impoirting them into Shadow woudl be fine, but really, it would be no
value add, so I don't). I know, thats blasphemous coming from me, but its
true.. I'm lazy ;)

	Anyway, I look at "today" and "future" todos, but mostly
Today's. (I barely use ToDo's at all, but I use my datebook app and like
to just see what I've got to do in terms of To Dos, which are my lower
priority but need to do items).

	As such..

	I always move my late To Do's forward a day or two when I'm not
going to do them. At the end of the week I go back and bump things I've
missed or need to look at, etc, to a later time.

	This is lame, but its what a tonne of people do ;)

	I'm tempted to write a tool which pushes dated unfinished ToDo's
up to the current day. Or maybe prefs.. bump them up one day (and have it
run each day), or bump by one week (so they go to the same day next week).

	I could build it so it automatically runs each night, so that
midnight comes and boom, all your todos move up a day to show in the
current day. (That sort of thing, anwyay).

	I know DateBk5 can do this, but for Datebook, Datebk+, AN, and
other users ,this could be a usefull mini-tool.

	Is this already out there anywhere?

	Just something to remove one step fo my days tasks :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: lilmagnus  <amagner@m...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

Is this what you had in mind? Not free, but cheap enough...

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=14090

Cheers,
Tony

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

<snip>

> 	I always move my late To Do's forward a day or two when I'm 
not
> going to do them. At the end of the week I go back and bump things 
I've
> missed or need to look at, etc, to a later time.
> 
> 	This is lame, but its what a tonne of people do ;)
> 
> 	I'm tempted to write a tool which pushes dated unfinished 
ToDo's
> up to the current day. Or maybe prefs.. bump them up one day (and 
have it
> run each day), or bump by one week (so they go to the same day next 
week).
> 

<snip>

> 
> 	Is this already out there anywhere?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: Alternative format manuals

NOTE: These are untested; I've not had the time to go through and
check these files (nor do I own iSilo, for instance).

	I have received 4 alternative format manuals. I'll also add a
HandStory clip in a minute...

	See here:
http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/downloads.html

	Currently there are: Acrobat PDF version, iSilo, Palm DOC, and
Plucker versions. I'll be adding a HandStory clip pdb in a moment.

	Please let me know which ones work for you; I opened the Acrobat
one on my desktop and it was fine there.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, lilmagnus wrote:

> Is this what you had in mind? Not free, but cheap enough...
> http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=14090

	Looks almost what I want; my thought was to make a job that runs
automatically eah day, to save you having to invoke it all the time
(without having to assign it a button..) I'll give it a shot though.

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: James Harold  <harold@c...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:05pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

At 01:28 PM 7/10/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Not being able to read the whole manual while online, I tried
>printing it but ran into script errors.  Anyone have tips on how I
>might be able to print it out?

Jeff:  there are a couple of unclosed HTML comment fields in the reference 
manual that can mess up some browsers.  IE seems to process them fine: I 
only noticed because I used ISilo to dump it to my palm, and it just 
truncated the document.  Just search for comment tags and you'll find them.

2.5 is very cool, by the way.  I'll let you take a deep breath before 
making requests for the desktop version...

James Harold

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: To Do Roll

Checked To Do Roll; almost good, but bad :) It apologizes many
times for being slow, but god only knows how it coudl be so slow.. moving
a few hundreds items taking a couple of minutes by their estimates? They
must be doing somethign seriously wrong :/

	Ita also very naive; it allows you to "pass through" to only 3
applications (built in ToDo, for instance, but not a user definable To Do
application). More importantly, they were clueless to have gone throgh so
many revisions in this way. If they claim its usefull for users of AN and
such, why didn't it occur to them to pass through to AN?

	This sort of thinking suggests some lack of clue and lack of
working towards the actual goal of solving peoples problems.. so I'm
afraid to use it. What other horrors lurk in there ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:12pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, James Harold wrote:

> At 01:28 PM 7/10/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >Not being able to read the whole manual while online, I tried
> >printing it but ran into script errors.  Anyone have tips on how I
> >might be able to print it out?
> 
> Jeff:  there are a couple of unclosed HTML comment fields in the reference 
> manual that can mess up some browsers.  IE seems to process them fine: I 
> only noticed because I used ISilo to dump it to my palm, and it just 
> truncated the document.  Just search for comment tags and you'll find them.

	They're removed in the online version of the manual. Thats not the
problem with IE though :/

> 2.5 is very cool, by the way.  I'll let you take a deep breath before
> making requests for the desktop version...

	heh.

	Pretty quiet after the 2.5 release though; I thought there'd be a
big explosion of gabbing. So either I'm very lucky (no explosion in my
suport box), or people are still downloading it ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: TEWoerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:36pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

My post should have read that I cannot afford the time being seen 
tryin to read and work through the manual online.  That it is more 
convenient for me to have a paper copy.  (This is the trouble with 
sneaking message board time at work.)  So, although the web-based 
manual will always be the most up-to-date, I need a paper copy to 
study the features properly.

Tim

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:53pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

download latest netscape browser and it prints out fine.  something about IE that screws up.
kevin


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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:55pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

i'd like something like that in Shadow!
kevin


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  From: Jeff Mitchell 
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:07 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Moving To Do's forward..



        Not strictly Shadow related, but part of the whole PDA
  experience..

        I do keep ToDo's. They often come out of Shadow, but often they do
  not.. just ad-hoc todos I whip up, and don't want them brought into
  Shadow. (I keep misc household To Do's just as flat simple todos.
  Auto-impoirting them into Shadow woudl be fine, but really, it would be no
  value add, so I don't). I know, thats blasphemous coming from me, but its
  true.. I'm lazy ;)

        Anyway, I look at "today" and "future" todos, but mostly
  Today's. (I barely use ToDo's at all, but I use my datebook app and like
  to just see what I've got to do in terms of To Dos, which are my lower
  priority but need to do items).

        As such..

        I always move my late To Do's forward a day or two when I'm not
  going to do them. At the end of the week I go back and bump things I've
  missed or need to look at, etc, to a later time.

        This is lame, but its what a tonne of people do ;)

        I'm tempted to write a tool which pushes dated unfinished ToDo's
  up to the current day. Or maybe prefs.. bump them up one day (and have it
  run each day), or bump by one week (so they go to the same day next week).

        I could build it so it automatically runs each night, so that
  midnight comes and boom, all your todos move up a day to show in the
  current day. (That sort of thing, anwyay).

        I know DateBk5 can do this, but for Datebook, Datebk+, AN, and
  other users ,this could be a usefull mini-tool.

        Is this already out there anywhere?

        Just something to remove one step fo my days tasks :)

              jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, TEWoerner wrote:

> My post should have read that I cannot afford the time being seen 
> tryin to read and work through the manual online.  That it is more 
> convenient for me to have a paper copy.  (This is the trouble with 
> sneaking message board time at work.)  So, although the web-based 
> manual will always be the most up-to-date, I need a paper copy to 
> study the features properly.

	I'll likely clean up the file a little to make it easier to print
for next update; the problems that make it trouble to print have been
there since day one a year or so ago, without me finding out about them
:) (Obviously we just passe dinto the threshold where people want to print
the manual, whereas a year ago, no one bothered ;)

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> i'd like something like that in Shadow!

	Not likely in Shadow; its nothing to do with Shadow :)

	But I'm tempted to make alittle side program that does it. Set
itself up with an alarm that goes off once a day at 4am, and when it
receives the alarm it just moves ahead old To Do's instead of making an
alarm. We'll see :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: radleyp2000  <pradley@r...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

If I remember correctly, there is such a tool. It is called 
"Plonk", but I have no idea if it is still available. PDR--- In 
shadow-discuss@y..., "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> i'd like something like that in Shadow!
> kevin
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jeff Mitchell 
>   To: shadow-discuss@y... 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:07 AM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Moving To Do's forward..
> 
> 
> 
>         Not strictly Shadow related, but part of the whole PDA
>   experience..
> 
>         I do keep ToDo's. They often come out of Shadow, but often 
they do
>   not.. just ad-hoc todos I whip up, and don't want them brought 
into
>   Shadow. (I keep misc household To Do's just as flat simple todos.
>   Auto-impoirting them into Shadow woudl be fine, but really, it 
would be no
>   value add, so I don't). I know, thats blasphemous coming from me, 
but its
>   true.. I'm lazy ;)
> 
>         Anyway, I look at "today" and "future" todos, but mostly
>   Today's. (I barely use ToDo's at all, but I use my datebook app 
and like
>   to just see what I've got to do in terms of To Dos, which are my 
lower
>   priority but need to do items).
> 
>         As such..
> 
>         I always move my late To Do's forward a day or two when I'm 
not
>   going to do them. At the end of the week I go back and bump things 
I've
>   missed or need to look at, etc, to a later time.
> 
>         This is lame, but its what a tonne of people do ;)
> 
>         I'm tempted to write a tool which pushes dated unfinished 
ToDo's
>   up to the current day. Or maybe prefs.. bump them up one day (and 
have it
>   run each day), or bump by one week (so they go to the same day 
next week).
> 
>         I could build it so it automatically runs each night, so 
that
>   midnight comes and boom, all your todos move up a day to show in 
the
>   current day. (That sort of thing, anwyay).
> 
>         I know DateBk5 can do this, but for Datebook, Datebk+, AN, 
and
>   other users ,this could be a usefull mini-tool.
> 
>         Is this already out there anywhere?
> 
>         Just something to remove one step fo my days tasks :)
> 
>               jeff
> 
>   --
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micro
>   circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>   sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
>   -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: lilmagnus  <amagner@m...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

Here's a direct download link for Plonk.

http://www.dco.net/go/wps/download/Plonk.zip

Jeff, sorry about the plug for Todo Roll. Wasn't aware of the 
problems with it as I don't use it. Just referenced it as a 
courtesy. ;)

Cheers,
Tony

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "radleyp2000" <pradley@r...> wrote:
> If I remember correctly, there is such a tool. It is called 
> "Plonk", but I have no idea if it is still available. PDR--- In 
> shadow-discuss@y..., "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> wrote:

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 4:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, lilmagnus wrote:

> Here's a direct download link for Plonk.
> 
> http://www.dco.net/go/wps/download/Plonk.zip
> 
> Jeff, sorry about the plug for Todo Roll. Wasn't aware of the 
> problems with it as I don't use it. Just referenced it as a 
> courtesy. ;)

	No sorries :) You mentioned it out of goodness, I checked it out,
got wary, and posted a response for the next person so they'd know my
experience :)

	I'll check Plonk later on :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 10:45pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Pretty quiet after the 2.5 release though; I thought there'd 
be a
> big explosion of gabbing. So either I'm very lucky (no explosion in 
my
> suport box), or people are still downloading it ;)
> 
> 		jeff

The earlier beta pre-empted it maybe?  I am still working my way 
through the manual and the features and in the processes discovering 
features that were there already that I didn't realise were there.

I've been using shadow for about 4 months now and I'm only beginning 
to appreciate how good it really is.

BTW, I'm still having the problem with the broken views on sync, I'm 
at a loss as to what to do.  I've checked everything that I could 
think of and everything seems fine, but I think I will need a hand 
with it.  I'm pretty sure it's not shadow, maybe one of the other 
apps is doing something.

Rita

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

Good lord, 150K of RAM to roll ToDos?  *shudder*

Ling

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lilmagnus" <amagner@m...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Moving To Do's forward..


> Is this what you had in mind? Not free, but cheap enough...
> 
> http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=14090
> 
> Cheers,
> Tony
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > I always move my late To Do's forward a day or two when I'm 
> not
> > going to do them. At the end of the week I go back and bump things 
> I've
> > missed or need to look at, etc, to a later time.
> > 
> > This is lame, but its what a tonne of people do ;)
> > 
> > I'm tempted to write a tool which pushes dated unfinished 
> ToDo's
> > up to the current day. Or maybe prefs.. bump them up one day (and 
> have it
> > run each day), or bump by one week (so they go to the same day next 
> week).
> > 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > 
> > Is this already out there anywhere?

From: Ray Drew  <ray_drew@y...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 11:34pm
Subject: Re: Alternative format manuals

Jeff wrote:
<<<
Currently there are: Acrobat PDF version, iSilo, Palm DOC, and
Plucker versions. I'll be adding a HandStory clip pdb in a moment.

Please let me know which ones work for you; I opened the Acrobat
one on my desktop and it was fine there.
>>>

Plucker works fine for me.

Thanks,

Ray


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 0:02am
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, rblanzan wrote:

> through the manual and the features and in the processes discovering 
> features that were there already that I didn't realise were there.

	Yeah, even I do that once in awhile ;)

> BTW, I'm still having the problem with the broken views on sync, I'm
> at a loss as to what to do.  I've checked everything that I could
> think of and everything seems fine, but I think I will need a hand
> with it.  I'm pretty sure it's not shadow, maybe one of the other apps
> is doing something.

	Do you lose other list settings, or just the View?

	And are you losing the view, or the filter?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:40am
Subject: Re: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

Ling...another program for us?  ; )
Kevin

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------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Russ & Ling 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Moving To Do's forward..


  Good lord, 150K of RAM to roll ToDos?  *shudder*

  Ling

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "lilmagnus" <amagner@m...>
  To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:42 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Moving To Do's forward..


  > Is this what you had in mind? Not free, but cheap enough...
  > 
  > http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=14090
  > 
  > Cheers,
  > Tony
  > 
  > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  > 
  > <snip>
  > 
  > > I always move my late To Do's forward a day or two when I'm 
  > not
  > > going to do them. At the end of the week I go back and bump things 
  > I've
  > > missed or need to look at, etc, to a later time.
  > > 
  > > This is lame, but its what a tonne of people do ;)
  > > 
  > > I'm tempted to write a tool which pushes dated unfinished 
  > ToDo's
  > > up to the current day. Or maybe prefs.. bump them up one day (and 
  > have it
  > > run each day), or bump by one week (so they go to the same day next 
  > week).
  > > 
  > 
  > <snip>
  > 
  > > 
  > > Is this already out there anywhere?




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From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:21am
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

> 	Do you lose other list settings, or just the View?

Just the view, I did no have any custom filters set on the lists at 
the time and where I did, I didn't notice any other obvious 
differences, but I did not really test for filters.  I've set up two 
views:

Job - checkbox, progress bar, link arrow column, tag column (wide) 
and suppress note icon.

Task (children of job) - checkbox, link arrow column, tag column 
(wide)

List preference is set to whatever, some are custom, some are task, 
some checklist, it doesn't seem to make a difference.

If the list pref "sync" option is ticked, the items that display tags 
end up with a broken view and just display the text of the items 
after the sync is performed.  I've not looked for any filter settings 
being lost.

If it's not ticked, the items retain the view that was applied to it.

At this stage, I'm inclined to back up the unit, do a hard reset, 
uninstall all the handheld software on the pc and start again.


> 
> 	And are you losing the view, or the filter?

The view.


Rita

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:53am
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, rblanzan wrote:

> > 	Do you lose other list settings, or just the View?
> 
> Just the view, I did no have any custom filters set on the lists at 
> the time and where I did, I didn't notice any other obvious 
> differences, but I did not really test for filters.  I've set up two 
> views:
> 
> Job - checkbox, progress bar, link arrow column, tag column (wide) 
> and suppress note icon.
> 
> Task (children of job) - checkbox, link arrow column, tag column 
> (wide)
> 
> List preference is set to whatever, some are custom, some are task, 
> some checklist, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
> 
> If the list pref "sync" option is ticked, the items that display tags 
> end up with a broken view and just display the text of the items 
> after the sync is performed.  I've not looked for any filter settings 
> being lost.

	Oh wait, you mean you're losing the view of item overrides, not
the list itself. So after a sync, the overrides become broken and display
as checklists.

> If it's not ticked, the items retain the view that was applied to it.
> 
> At this stage, I'm inclined to back up the unit, do a hard reset,
> uninstall all the handheld software on the pc and start again.

	Never do that! Thats far too much work.

	If something unexpected is happening, its probably a bug.

	I'll have to look into it; its possible the conduit is borking the
view overrides for saved custom views (not for lists, just for item
overrides). In which case I'll make a patched conduit ASAP and get that
out there.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: royedelstein  <jdb520@h...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 3:22am
Subject: How to view only items that have no siblings?

I'm new to the program but have read the manual and 
experimented extensively.

Question: is there a way to view (or sort / filter / other?) so that 
only the items that have no subtasks appear?

The right-most sub-item are my actual next actions, and it would 
be nice to just see those rather than also see all the parents 
above them.  Is there a way to do that?

I thought I'd filter level >= 3, but that still gave me levels 1 and 2 if 
there was a level 3 or more.  Any thoughts on how to elimiate all 
parants when viewing?

Thx in advance.  Enjoying so far!

Roy.

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 4:44am
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Oh wait, you mean you're losing the view of item overrides, 
not
> the list itself. So after a sync, the overrides become broken and 
display
> as checklists.
> 

yes, checklists with no bubbles, no numbers, no link column, nothing, 
just text, and then I have to go into each individual item and change 
it back.  The tags haven't been affected, they reappear once I change 
the view, I can't remember if the item level was affected.  I think 
it was.

> > 
> > At this stage, I'm inclined to back up the unit, do a hard reset,
> > uninstall all the handheld software on the pc and start again.
> 
> 	Never do that! Thats far too much work.
> 

It can be good for the soul :)  I was thinking that maybe Hotsync 
might be doing something crazy, but I don't really understand the 
sync part that well and virtually rely on the installation programs.  
I don't have that many apps on the unit and I have organised the 
subdirectories on the pc so that I can reinstall prc files 
efficiently.  But, I will hold off doing it unless I get really bored 
on the weekend.  I'll just untick the sync option on the lists that I 
use the views on.

> 	If something unexpected is happening, its probably a bug.
> 
> 	I'll have to look into it; its possible the conduit is 
borking the
> view overrides for saved custom views (not for lists, just for item
> overrides). In which case I'll make a patched conduit ASAP and get 
that
> out there.

Like you said, it's only happening to me and that worries me because 
it could be something I'm doing or something that I've done :(  I 
just can't think what and why didn't I notice it sooner?

I very much appreciate your help though, you're awesome.

Rita

From: mahnig  <mahnig@y...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:23am
Subject: Hotsync-Crash with Shadow 2.5.0

Hi,

I downloaded Shadow 2.5.0 yesterday and started experimenting with ags
and Filters and stuff. I added some tags to a list as well as some
other items.

When I hotsync'd this morning, hotsync hang at "Synchronizing Shadow".
After 10 minutes I canceled the hotsync on both sides, but there still
was no reaction. After another 2 minutes, I performed a soft reset on
my palm. Result: The list in Shadow was truncated to 2 items from
formerly about 20.

I erased the list, then hotsync worked again and I still had my old
version on the desktop. Unfortunately, I can't give you the list that
went wrong, as it got erased...

Is there a problem with tags? I still have desktop version 1.1.0 ...

Oh, I am running a (German) Palm IIIc with 3.5.3, Desktop 4.0.1
(german), and Windows 2000.

Greetings,

Thilo

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 0:25pm
Subject: Sorry, Clie question..

To use SwitchDash must High Res Assist be turned off?

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:26pm
Subject: Re: How to view only items that have no siblings?

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, royedelstein wrote:

> I'm new to the program but have read the manual and 
> experimented extensively.
> 
> Question: is there a way to view (or sort / filter / other?) so that 
> only the items that have no subtasks appear?
> 
> The right-most sub-item are my actual next actions, and it would 
> be nice to just see those rather than also see all the parents 
> above them.  Is there a way to do that?

	Nope; I built the engine believing that lowerr items had no
meaning without their parents. I can add it, but I don't get a lot of
requests for it, and its sort of an ugly thing to build.

	ie: Most lists are of this form..

Project A
	- Research
Project B
	- Research

	So "Research" alone has no context.

	However, you would counter argue that "Research" alone triggers
what you need to do.

	We'll see in the future :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan Manual

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, rblanzan wrote:

> Like you said, it's only happening to me and that worries me because 
> it could be something I'm doing or something that I've done :(  I 
> just can't think what and why didn't I notice it sooner?
> 
> I very much appreciate your help though, you're awesome.

	It sounds plausible. I'll do some testing and post in
shadow-test..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: Hotsync-Crash with Shadow 2.5.0

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, mahnig wrote:

> I downloaded Shadow 2.5.0 yesterday and started experimenting with ags
> and Filters and stuff. I added some tags to a list as well as some
> other items.
> 
> When I hotsync'd this morning, hotsync hang at "Synchronizing Shadow".
> After 10 minutes I canceled the hotsync on both sides, but there still
> was no reaction. After another 2 minutes, I performed a soft reset on
> my palm. Result: The list in Shadow was truncated to 2 items from
> formerly about 20.
> 
> I erased the list, then hotsync worked again and I still had my old
> version on the desktop. Unfortunately, I can't give you the list that
> went wrong, as it got erased...
> 
> Is there a problem with tags? I still have desktop version 1.1.0 ...
> 
> Oh, I am running a (German) Palm IIIc with 3.5.3, Desktop 4.0.1
> (german), and Windows 2000.

	No, thats a rare old bug in the conduit unrelated to 2.5; that
(and another; there are two main annoying but reasonably rare bugs in the
conduit) are the main drive behind a tonne of work about to go into the
conduit. Fortunately, the issues aren't super-bad as you can always
restore from Shadows various backups as you did. I'm sorry for your
issue.. we'll track it down!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: royedelstein  <jdb520@h...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:16pm
Subject: Re: How to view only items that have no siblings?

Further thougts/question (re: why and possible how to see only 
lowest level items)

In my system, the lowest level (no further siblings) are the actual  
next action items.  I can understand "call sue" or "deposit 
checks" w/o seeing the higher level categories, project titles and 
sub-project titles.  Having those higher level categories helps 
me keep all the tasks organized in a nice visual way that's easy 
to navigate when I need it, but being able to see just the next 
action lets me see the greatest number of next actions possible 
given the small screen size.

I wonder if two linked files could get me pretty close? - one for 
the project lists, and the other for actual doable next action?   I 
need to spend some more time playing w/ the link function to 
see if this is a viable approach.  Any ideas?

(By the way - in looking at past messages - there was someone 
who wanted a view that auto expands to show all sub-
categories.  I think s/he was after a related issue - the desire to 
see the next actions more easily.  At the end of the day - I really 
need to focus on doing my next action.  I find I like to keep my 
outline generally fully compressed, for easy navigation, but when 
i actually want to look at my action items I would need everything 
to be fully expanded.  I think the zoom buttons probably 
accomplish this specific issue.)

Beautiful application!  Thx for any further suggestions.

Roy




--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, royedelstein wrote:
> 
> > I'm new to the program but have read the manual and 
> > experimented extensively.
> > 
> > Question: is there a way to view (or sort / filter / other?) so 
that 
> > only the items that have no subtasks appear?
> > 
> > The right-most sub-item are my actual next actions, and it 
would 
> > be nice to just see those rather than also see all the parents 
> > above them.  Is there a way to do that?
> 
> 	Nope; I built the engine believing that lowerr items had no
> meaning without their parents. I can add it, but I don't get a lot 
of
> requests for it, and its sort of an ugly thing to build.
> 
> 	ie: Most lists are of this form..
> 
> Project A
> 	- Research
> Project B
> 	- Research
> 
> 	So "Research" alone has no context.
> 
> 	However, you would counter argue that "Research" alone 
triggers
> what you need to do.
> 
> 	We'll see in the future :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:26pm
Subject: Re: How to view only items that have no siblings?

Roy asked:

Question: is there a way to view (or sort / filter / other?) so that
only the items that have no subtasks appear?

The right-most sub-item are my actual next actions, and it would
be nice to just see those rather than also see all the parents
above them.  Is there a way to do that?
___

I think the easiest way to do this would be to link them to the ToDo
database and use that as your flat view of tasks. I know you lose context
this way, but it seems that you don't really need context if you're trying
to eliminate parents. The note on the ToDo could show you the context, but
that's extra taps. Just an idea.

Scott

From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: How to view only items that have no siblings?

>In my system, the lowest level (no further siblings) are the actual
>next action items.  I can understand "call sue" or "deposit
>checks" w/o seeing the higher level categories, project titles and
>sub-project titles.  Having those higher level categories helps
>me keep all the tasks organized in a nice visual way that's easy
>to navigate when I need it, but being able to see just the next
>action lets me see the greatest number of next actions possible
>given the small screen size.

The crunch here is how hard you're tied to the "no siblings" way of doing
it. If you have a bunch of projects with defined steps, you *could* list
the related actions for each project as siblings and apply the "Next step
only" filter. Check one off and the first sibling below automatically
becomes the visible "next action". This hides all those steps that comes
after the "next action", so you make good use of the limited screen. You'd
have to adjust your system a little though, but it *is* very GtD'ish. Oh
well, just my 2 c.

peace,
Tormod in Stockholm

From: royedelstein  <jdb520@h...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 2:41pm
Subject: Re: How to view only items that have no CHILDREN?

I meant no children.  I'd like to view the actions at the deepest 
level (ie what I can actually do).  And I want to skip the parental 
context.  Sorry about that!!!  Thx for the ideas so far!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "royedelstein" <jdb520@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Further thougts/question (re: why and possible how to see only 
> lowest level items)
> 
> In my system, the lowest level (no further siblings) are the 
actual  
> next action items.  I can understand "call sue" or "deposit 
> checks" w/o seeing the higher level categories, project titles 
and 
> sub-project titles.  Having those higher level categories helps 
> me keep all the tasks organized in a nice visual way that's 
easy 
> to navigate when I need it, but being able to see just the next 
> action lets me see the greatest number of next actions 
possible 
> given the small screen size.
> 
> I wonder if two linked files could get me pretty close? - one for 
> the project lists, and the other for actual doable next action?   I 
> need to spend some more time playing w/ the link function to 
> see if this is a viable approach.  Any ideas?
> 
> (By the way - in looking at past messages - there was 
someone 
> who wanted a view that auto expands to show all sub-
> categories.  I think s/he was after a related issue - the desire to 
> see the next actions more easily.  At the end of the day - I really 
> need to focus on doing my next action.  I find I like to keep my 
> outline generally fully compressed, for easy navigation, but 
when 
> i actually want to look at my action items I would need 
everything 
> to be fully expanded.  I think the zoom buttons probably 
> accomplish this specific issue.)
> 
> Beautiful application!  Thx for any further suggestions.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, royedelstein wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm new to the program but have read the manual and 
> > > experimented extensively.
> > > 
> > > Question: is there a way to view (or sort / filter / other?) so 
> that 
> > > only the items that have no subtasks appear?
> > > 
> > > The right-most sub-item are my actual next actions, and it 
> would 
> > > be nice to just see those rather than also see all the 
parents 
> > > above them.  Is there a way to do that?
> > 
> > 	Nope; I built the engine believing that lowerr items had no
> > meaning without their parents. I can add it, but I don't get a lot 
> of
> > requests for it, and its sort of an ugly thing to build.
> > 
> > 	ie: Most lists are of this form..
> > 
> > Project A
> > 	- Research
> > Project B
> > 	- Research
> > 
> > 	So "Research" alone has no context.
> > 
> > 	However, you would counter argue that "Research" alone 
> triggers
> > what you need to do.
> > 
> > 	We'll see in the future :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
> mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
> calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: alwaysenuf  <alwaysenuf@y...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:39pm
Subject: ?cr: 1/1/04? and, Shad 160 question

Hello,
Jeff, thanks for such a wonderful implementation of all of our 
various whims.-- Any idea why i would be getting a default cr: date 
of 1/1/04? I'm assuming this is the creation date. but I'm working 
with importing items from other software systems. 

If i've done work on the desktop, and need to remove the 160's in 
order to sync, will the desktop changes come through the sync? If 
not, how can I make edits/inputs, remove the 160's and yet have them 
in my palm when i need them?
thanks,
ms

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:19pm
Subject: Re: ?cr: 1/1/04? and, Shad 160 question

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, alwaysenuf wrote:

> Jeff, thanks for such a wonderful implementation of all of our various
> whims.-- Any idea why i would be getting a default cr: date of 1/1/04?
> I'm assuming this is the creation date. but I'm working with importing
> items from other software systems.

	Thats a nil-creation date. As in "unknown". I think imported items
take that on, so as not to mislead you with a untrue creation date.

> If i've done work on the desktop, and need to remove the 160's in 
> order to sync, will the desktop changes come through the sync? If 
> not, how can I make edits/inputs, remove the 160's and yet have them 
> in my palm when i need them?

	I'm confused. The desktop files are the 160 XML files. You remove
them.. well, they're not going to be there to sync. They'll download fresh
form the handheld and be recreated.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: radleyp2000  <pradley@r...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

I just reinstalled Plonk and it works. It has only one option, to 
"auto-plonk", that is to move the past-due ToDo's at midnight every 
night. It did it perfectly last night (for 7, not 100, ToDo's) and 
since the change is made to the built-in ToDo list, the changes were 
accurately shown both in Shadow and ActionNames. It's small (6kb) and 
the developer asks only for a $5 contribution. PDR--- In 
shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, lilmagnus wrote:
> 
> > Here's a direct download link for Plonk.
> > 
> > http://www.dco.net/go/wps/download/Plonk.zip
> > 
> > Jeff, sorry about the plug for Todo Roll. Wasn't aware of the 
> > problems with it as I don't use it. Just referenced it as a 
> > courtesy. ;)
> 
> 	No sorries :) You mentioned it out of goodness, I checked it 
out,
> got wary, and posted a response for the next person so they'd know 
my
> experience :)
> 
> 	I'll check Plonk later on :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Earthlink  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

doesn't plonk have a box to check for "auto-plonk" at midnight each day, and also the option to not check the auto box and only plonk when desired by tapping plonk now...?  seems nice for those desiring to keep an eye on how far behind they are with certain to do items before moving them forward.  just an added benefit for some.

radley, you mentioned it did it for 7, not 100.  does that mean it didn't work for all or...?  thanks.

kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: radleyp2000 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:56 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Moving To Do's forward..


  I just reinstalled Plonk and it works. It has only one option, to 
  "auto-plonk", that is to move the past-due ToDo's at midnight every 
  night. It did it perfectly last night (for 7, not 100, ToDo's) and 
  since the change is made to the built-in ToDo list, the changes were 
  accurately shown both in Shadow and ActionNames. It's small (6kb) and 
  the developer asks only for a $5 contribution. PDR--- In 
  shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, lilmagnus wrote:
  > 
  > > Here's a direct download link for Plonk.
  > > 
  > > http://www.dco.net/go/wps/download/Plonk.zip
  > > 
  > > Jeff, sorry about the plug for Todo Roll. Wasn't aware of the 
  > > problems with it as I don't use it. Just referenced it as a 
  > > courtesy. ;)
  > 
  >       No sorries :) You mentioned it out of goodness, I checked it 
  out,
  > got wary, and posted a response for the next person so they'd know 
  my
  > experience :)
  > 
  >       I'll check Plonk later on :)
  > 
  >             jeff
  > 
  > --
  > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
  micro
  > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
  is?"
  > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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From: radleyp2000  <pradley@r...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Moving To Do's forward..

You do indeed have the option to plonk when you wish. I mentioned 
"100" because in his discussion of another application that 
"rolled" the Todo's over, Jeff mentioned how long it took for 100 
Todo's to change. Since I don't have 100 Todo's to move, I couldn't 
say what Plonk would do. PDR--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Earthlink" 
<kevin@g...> wrote:
> doesn't plonk have a box to check for "auto-plonk" at midnight each 
day, and also the option to not check the auto box and only plonk when 
desired by tapping plonk now...?  seems nice for those desiring to 
keep an eye on how far behind they are with certain to do items before 
moving them forward.  just an added benefit for some.
> 
> radley, you mentioned it did it for 7, not 100.  does that mean it 
didn't work for all or...?  thanks.
> 
> kevin
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: radleyp2000 
>   To: shadow-discuss@y... 
>   Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:56 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Moving To Do's forward..
> 
> 
>   I just reinstalled Plonk and it works. It has only one option, to 
>   "auto-plonk", that is to move the past-due ToDo's at midnight 
every 
>   night. It did it perfectly last night (for 7, not 100, ToDo's) and 
>   since the change is made to the built-in ToDo list, the changes 
were 
>   accurately shown both in Shadow and ActionNames. It's small (6kb) 
and 
>   the developer asks only for a $5 contribution. PDR--- In 
>   shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>   > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, lilmagnus wrote:
>   > 
>   > > Here's a direct download link for Plonk.
>   > > 
>   > > http://www.dco.net/go/wps/download/Plonk.zip
>   > > 
>   > > Jeff, sorry about the plug for Todo Roll. Wasn't aware of the 
>   > > problems with it as I don't use it. Just referenced it as a 
>   > > courtesy. ;)
>   > 
>   >       No sorries :) You mentioned it out of goodness, I checked 
it 
>   out,
>   > got wary, and posted a response for the next person so they'd 
know 
>   my
>   > experience :)
>   > 
>   >       I'll check Plonk later on :)
>   > 
>   >             jeff
>   > 
>   > --
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>   micro
>   > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
>   > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he 
>   is?"
>   > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: norseman_79  <norseman@m...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 8:57pm
Subject: Re: ?cr: 1/1/04? and, Shad 160 question

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, alwaysenuf wrote:
> 
> > Jeff, thanks for such a wonderful implementation of all of our 
various
> > whims.-- Any idea why i would be getting a default cr: date of 
1/1/04?
> > I'm assuming this is the creation date. but I'm working with 
importing
> > items from other software systems.
> 
> 	Thats a nil-creation date. As in "unknown". I think imported 
items
> take that on, so as not to mislead you with a untrue creation date.
> 

Jeff, I'm very new to Shadow, but I noticed the same thing for a file 
I created from scratch on the 1.1.0 desktop and then downloaded to 
version 2.5 on the Palm. The creation dates on all items is 1/1/04. 
Shouldn't it be able to get the creation date from the PC's system 
time?

Thanks,
Bob Olson

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: Shadow 2.5 ... download without desktop

The downloads section of the http://www.codejedi.com website now
offers a 950k download that doesn't include the Windows desktop. I quote:

*  Shadow Plan 2.5 Handheld Only (950k)!
Thursday July 11th 2002
If you're living somewhere with metered phone time, or have a slower
modem, or use an Apple or Unix-like OS and just don't want to download a
load of stuff you won't use, get this distribution. It is the manuals and
.prc for the handheld only. 

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 9:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: ?cr: 1/1/04? and, Shad 160 question

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, norseman_79 wrote:

> Jeff, I'm very new to Shadow, but I noticed the same thing for a file 
> I created from scratch on the 1.1.0 desktop and then downloaded to 
> version 2.5 on the Palm. The creation dates on all items is 1/1/04. 
> Shouldn't it be able to get the creation date from the PC's system 
> time?

	I'll have to check; I forget if I'm storing cr-date in the
desktop.. been a long time since I was in that subsystem :)

	I can add it, if it doesn't now.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mauibro  <1POPOLO@P...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:00pm
Subject: Congrats to Jeff

Number 1 at Palmgear both as essential, and Gears choice!!!!!!

I was one who bugged you for tags for sooooo long. Filters awesome
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you

And for those of you who wanted other things first, didnt know what 
tags were........you got the best Palm app EVER.
NOW lets get that desktop done right.

You da man Jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 11, 2002 10:39pm
Subject: Re: Congrats to Jeff

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, mauibro wrote:

> Number 1 at Palmgear both as essential, and Gears choice!!!!!!

	Cool :)

> I was one who bugged you for tags for sooooo long. Filters awesome

	hehe. Everyone was after me for tags :)

> Thank you
> Thank you
> Thank you
> 
> And for those of you who wanted other things first, didnt know what 
> tags were........you got the best Palm app EVER.
> NOW lets get that desktop done right.

	Slave driver ;)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: whofan1  <jsroth@c...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 1:42am
Subject: Linking to a filtered list

I have a Shadow list called @Agenda, which has "@Agenda" as its first 
line.  I've filtered the list to hide completed items.

Using ShadowLinkHack, I've linked/created an undated Todo in DateBk5 
called @Agenda.  When I go into the todo's note and double click on 
the word "shadow," it brings me into the @Agenda list.  However, it 
leaves me somewhere in the middle of the list (not on the top line), 
and the list also appears without any filters.

If I save the list and enter Shadow either through the application 
screen or (third) button on the Palm, I can go into a filtered 
version of the list.  The problem only occurs when using the link 
from DateBk5.  I also encountered this problem using LinkerHack.

Any thoughts?


Jeff

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:16am
Subject: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

Hi all!

What a wonderful piece of engineering the new version is! Now I just
have to make my mind up how to use the tags...

Even though I've been using Shadow for quite a while, I just
discovered the possibility to link to memos (slow to catch on...). This lets me 
have easy access to a projects "infofile" stored in a memo, while I use 
Shadow to organize all Next Actions (love the Next Action Only-filter - keeps
me from feeling overwhelmed!)

But.. is there a way to set a preset preference for which Memo-app to
link to? 

I use MemoPLUS and would like to have memo-links opened in MemoPLUS 
instead of the built-in memo app. Of course I can change what app to
use in the "Set program" - but it doesn't seem to "stick", making me having
to set it in every new link.

Haven't started using the address linking yet, but I guess there's
the same problem with address linking? (I'm using PopUp Names).

Thx again for a great app!
/jonaz

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:59am
Subject: Re: Linking to a filtered list

I believe Shadow will unfilter and unzoom any list when you jump into it
from a link, whether you use LinkerHack, MegaWiki, or ShadowLink.  The
reason being the item you're jumping to should be always visible and Shadow
ensures that by removing any filters or zooms.

If you just want to jump to the top of the list and not to the specific
item, uncheck 'Support ShadowLinkHack' in Link Preferences.  This way Shadow
won't write the item uniqueIDs and ShadowLink would jump to only the top of
the list.  Regardless, Shadow will still unfilter and unzoom the jump-to
list.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "whofan1" <jsroth@c...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:42 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Linking to a filtered list


> I have a Shadow list called @Agenda, which has "@Agenda" as its first
> line.  I've filtered the list to hide completed items.
>
> Using ShadowLinkHack, I've linked/created an undated Todo in DateBk5
> called @Agenda.  When I go into the todo's note and double click on
> the word "shadow," it brings me into the @Agenda list.  However, it
> leaves me somewhere in the middle of the list (not on the top line),
> and the list also appears without any filters.
>
> If I save the list and enter Shadow either through the application
> screen or (third) button on the Palm, I can go into a filtered
> version of the list.  The problem only occurs when using the link
> from DateBk5.  I also encountered this problem using LinkerHack.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Jeff

From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:40am
Subject: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

>But.. is there a way to set a preset
>preference for which Memo-app to link to?

Sure there is :-)

In Link Manager, choose "Add" and select the "Memo" button at the top. Now,
in the lower right corner you have a button called "Set program". Hit this
and you can choose what program you want your memos to open in. Mine opens
in MemoLeaf without any problems. I still have a problem getting my
contacts to open in ActionNames though, so these I just open in the
built-in address book. (ActionNames opens a seemingly random recurring
event instead. This problem is probably on the AN-side of the equation.) I
don't have PopUpNames, but just test it and see if it works.


peace,
Tormod

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:00am
Subject: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

Thanks Tormod (sunny today in Sthlm isn't it?!)

But it doesn't quite work for me though... I can set the prefered app for the 
current link, and it seems to work for the next link I make if I just set the 
program in the link manager and then Cancel.

But it doesn't "stick" so all new links I make use the set program.

(Just discovered that since PopUpNames is a hack, you can't choose it in the 
Set program dialog.)

/jonaz

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., tormod.halvorsen@s... wrote:
> 
> >But.. is there a way to set a preset
> >preference for which Memo-app to link to?
> 
> Sure there is :-)
> 
> In Link Manager, choose "Add" and select the "Memo" button at the top. 
Now,
> in the lower right corner you have a button called "Set program". Hit this
> and you can choose what program you want your memos to open in. Mine 
opens
> in MemoLeaf without any problems. I still have a problem getting my
> contacts to open in ActionNames though, so these I just open in the
> built-in address book. (ActionNames opens a seemingly random recurring
> event instead. This problem is probably on the AN-side of the equation.) I
> don't have PopUpNames, but just test it and see if it works.
> 
> 
> peace,
> Tormod

From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:07am
Subject: Re: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

>Thanks Tormod (sunny today in Sthlm isn't it?!)

Yes, it's wonderful. AND <drumroll please> it's my last day before going on
vacation, WHEEEE!


>But it doesn't quite work for me though... I can set the prefered app for
the
>current link <snip> But it doesn't "stick" so all new links I make use the
set program.

Hmmm... I don't have this problem. My choices seem to stick until I change
them by going trough that "Set program" thing again. Sorry, I'm fresh out
of ideas here.


>(Just discovered that since PopUpNames is a hack, you can't
>choose it in the Set program dialog.)

Nah, I was afraid of that. Hacks are launched in a different way than "real
apps" I think, so that's probably the reason for it. However, I feel that
the link to the built-in Address app works well in a Shadow context. If I
follow a link to a person, I basically just want to see his/her contact
details, so for me it isn't an issue. It depends on how you use that info,
I guess...


peace,
Tormod

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:41am
Subject: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

From: "jonaz" <jonaz.list@d...>

> Hi all!
>
> What a wonderful piece of engineering the new version is! Now I just
> have to make my mind up how to use the tags...
>
> Even though I've been using Shadow for quite a while, I just
> discovered the possibility to link to memos (slow to catch on...). This
lets me
> have easy access to a projects "infofile" stored in a memo, while I use
> Shadow to organize all Next Actions (love the Next Action Only-filter -
keeps
> me from feeling overwhelmed!)
>
> But.. is there a way to set a preset preference for which Memo-app to
> link to?
>
> I use MemoPLUS and would like to have memo-links opened in MemoPLUS
> instead of the built-in memo app. Of course I can change what app to
> use in the "Set program" - but it doesn't seem to "stick", making me
having
> to set it in every new link.
>

How does it not "stick"?  You should only need to set it once and jumping to
a memo link should always bring you to MemoPLUS.  It does remember what you
set even though tapping 'Set Program' doesn't hi-light the currently chosen
value.  If by not sticking you mean some of the memo links jump to MemoPLUS
and others don't, then something is definitely wrong and I don't know the
answer.

Ling

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:03am
Subject: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

That's exactly what it does: some jump to Memo+ and some don't. Setting 
Memo+ as the program for memo links doesn't "stick" - seems to reset to the 
standard built-in Memo app for the next link.

Tried disabling the McPhling hack, but it didn't change anything.

Thanks for you help though
/jonaz

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Russ & Ling" <rnlnero@y...> wrote:
> How does it not "stick"?  You should only need to set it once and jumping to
> a memo link should always bring you to MemoPLUS.  It does remember 
what you
> set even though tapping 'Set Program' doesn't hi-light the currently chosen
> value.  If by not sticking you mean some of the memo links jump to 
MemoPLUS
> and others don't, then something is definitely wrong and I don't know the
> answer.
> 
> Ling

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:04am
Subject: How do I scroll one screen at a time?

I'm having trouble scrolling my lists; using the scroll arrows and scrolling on 
line at a time is too slow. I often find myself trying to navigate the list as I do 
on my mac - clicking/tapping above/below the inidcator in the scroll list 
thinking that will scroll one screen up/down. Which it does on my powerbook, 
but of course not in Shadow.

I'm not after that exact functionality (though I think it would be neat...), what 
I'm looking for is a way to scroll one screen length at a time somehow.

Is that already possible and I've missed it, or is it perhaps a candidate for 
som future version? 

Don't get me wrong Jeff, I'm definitely not trying to lure you away from the 
desktop development for mac/unix... not at all... don't you leave that desk 
(and desktop)! ;-)

In fact, I'm so excited to see what you'll do with the desktop now that I've 
seen the Miracle of 2.5! :-)

/jonaz

From: jonaz  <jonaz.list@d...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:28am
Subject: Re: How do I scroll one screen at a time? (SILLY ME...)

Hmm... that wasn't so difficult... I completely missed to try the Up/Down 
hardware button - which of course does the job...

Sometimes I just miss the obvious
/jonaz

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "jonaz" <jonaz.list@d...> wrote:
> I'm having trouble scrolling my lists; using the scroll arrows and scrolling on 
> line at a time is too slow. I often find myself trying to navigate the list as I 
do 
> on my mac - clicking/tapping above/below the inidcator in the scroll list 
> thinking that will scroll one screen up/down. Which it does on my 
powerbook, 
> but of course not in Shadow.
> 
> I'm not after that exact functionality (though I think it would be neat...), 
what 
> I'm looking for is a way to scroll one screen length at a time somehow.
> 
> Is that already possible and I've missed it, or is it perhaps a candidate for 
> som future version? 
> 
> Don't get me wrong Jeff, I'm definitely not trying to lure you away from the 
> desktop development for mac/unix... not at all... don't you leave that desk 
> (and desktop)! ;-)
> 
> In fact, I'm so excited to see what you'll do with the desktop now that I've 
> seen the Miracle of 2.5! :-)
> 
> /jonaz

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:17am
Subject: Re: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

Wild shots in the dark here...

Do you have either ShadowPlan or Memo+ on an expansion card?

Perhaps if you provide details of your configuration -- handheld model,
PalmOS version, hacks, etc. -- the group or Jeff can figure out what's going
on.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "jonaz" <jonaz.list@d...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?


> That's exactly what it does: some jump to Memo+ and some don't. Setting
> Memo+ as the program for memo links doesn't "stick" - seems to reset to
the
> standard built-in Memo app for the next link.
>
> Tried disabling the McPhling hack, but it didn't change anything.
>
> Thanks for you help though
> /jonaz

From: stugib_2000  <stuart.gibbons@p...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Setting prefs for addr/memo linking?

> >(Just discovered that since PopUpNames is a hack, you can't
> >choose it in the Set program dialog.)
> 
> Nah, I was afraid of that. Hacks are launched in a different way 
than "real
> apps" I think, so that's probably the reason for it. 

PUN can be used with an address link - you need to install the 
Startnames.prc application that comes with it - this is an app which 
launches the hack so it can be used in linking programs such as 
Shadow or Datebk5.

However, the downloadable version of PUN (v1.2) doesn't support 
the 'Goto Address' function so jumping to a link will always show the 
first name in the list.  You need to e-mail the author to get v1.2.6 
which fixes this.  Take a look at www.benc.hr

Hope this helps,

Stuart

From: broth123  <broth123@y...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 0:34pm
Subject: Ideas for 2.5+

I have been playing with the betas of 2.5 for the past few weeks and 
have become immeresed in playing with tagging, filtering, and making 
views.  

The product is a great evolving one and it is great that Jeff 
welcomes, solicts, and works with suggestions.  The mark of a true 
developer that excels.

Among other uses I am using SP for my ToDo list - mapped to the ToDo 
button - I don't have any use for the Palm version.  

Been using some of the GTD approach to life and am still reading the 
book.  I will probably post some of the uses in the tips fourm latter.

A couple of suggestions:

1.    Could there be a line created that could be toggled on/off like 
the titlebar that would have the ability to contain the name of hte 
View and/or filter applied to the view?

I have many filters created and now many views as this is easier to 
toggle a view with a filter then to take the steps to bring up the 
filter selection.  But I don't always remember the view and filter 
combo as I look at the list.  It would be great to have the view name 
and filter name on the display.  This could be a list preference like 
the titlebar that could be turned off/on.

2.     Would it be possible to copy a view like you can copy a custom 
filter?

3.     It would be a great enhancement to apply a tag association 
filter on the fly as an addition to the filter in any view that I am 
working with. This would be a AND condition.  Maybe a button on the 
top c/f/v area that would allow a dropdown of the tags and allow one 
to select a tag and apply that to the existing view.

There are many times when I am looking at my massive ToDo list and I 
suddenly think of a need to review all the items that contain "x" 
tag.  Presently I need to make a filter for that tag association and 
then apply it.  What would be slick is to apply on on the fly, a 
disposable type of tag association filter.

So far about 60 different tags spread over 5 categories - keep adding 
ones everyday.  

Would be interesting to have a palm app that measures time spend in 
each application.  ShadowPlan would be way out there on my usage.

Thanks.

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 0:45pm
Subject: Great Suggestions I definitely agree !!!Re: Ideas for 2.5+

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "broth123" <broth123@y...> wrote:
> I have been playing with the betas of 2.5 for the past few weeks 
and 
> have become immeresed in playing with tagging, filtering, and 
making 
> views.  
> 
> The product is a great evolving one and it is great that Jeff 
> welcomes, solicts, and works with suggestions.  The mark of a true 
> developer that excels.
> 
> Among other uses I am using SP for my ToDo list - mapped to the 
ToDo 
> button - I don't have any use for the Palm version.  
> 
> Been using some of the GTD approach to life and am still reading 
the 
> book.  I will probably post some of the uses in the tips fourm 
latter.
> 
> A couple of suggestions:
> 
> 1.    Could there be a line created that could be toggled on/off 
like 
> the titlebar that would have the ability to contain the name of hte 
> View and/or filter applied to the view?
> 
> I have many filters created and now many views as this is easier to 
> toggle a view with a filter then to take the steps to bring up the 
> filter selection.  But I don't always remember the view and filter 
> combo as I look at the list.  It would be great to have the view 
name 
> and filter name on the display.  This could be a list preference 
like 
> the titlebar that could be turned off/on.
> 
> 2.     Would it be possible to copy a view like you can copy a 
custom 
> filter?
> 
> 3.     It would be a great enhancement to apply a tag association 
> filter on the fly as an addition to the filter in any view that I 
am 
> working with. This would be a AND condition.  Maybe a button on the 
> top c/f/v area that would allow a dropdown of the tags and allow 
one 
> to select a tag and apply that to the existing view.
> 
> There are many times when I am looking at my massive ToDo list and 
I 
> suddenly think of a need to review all the items that contain "x" 
> tag.  Presently I need to make a filter for that tag association 
and 
> then apply it.  What would be slick is to apply on on the fly, a 
> disposable type of tag association filter.
> 
> So far about 60 different tags spread over 5 categories - keep 
adding 
> ones everyday.  
> 
> Would be interesting to have a palm app that measures time spend in 
> each application.  ShadowPlan would be way out there on my usage.
> 
> Thanks.

From: alwaysenuf  <alwaysenuf@y...>
Date: Fri Jul 12, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Re: ?cr: 1/1/04? and, Shad 160 question

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	I'm confused. The desktop files are the 160 XML files. You 
remove
> them.. well, they're not going to be there to sync. They'll 
download fresh
> form the handheld and be recreated.

Hopefully, to clarify...
I'm one of the rare people CHRONICALLY plagued by the hanging hotsync 
problem. You've said to sync, you can just remove/delete the 160's.   
If I create a file on the desktop, or more commonly,  edit a file on 
the desktop, but inorder to get the blasted thing to sync, i have to 
remove the 160's, I never can incorporate the desktop changes on the 
HH. Right? Is the answer is just don't use the desktop?

If i disable the Desktop, say using force remove, will the bug still 
affect my syncs? 

hope this doesn't confuse things more... and hope you can help.--ms