From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 0:14am
Subject: Re: latest versions???

nope, that is the latest...handheld and desktop have different versions!  
kevin

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mcginnj 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 4:30 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] latest versions???


  Can someone please tell me what the latest version is for the Palm 
  OSportion and the desktop portion?

  On my Prism Shadow says it is 2.2.1, but the PC desktop says 1.1.0.  

  Have I missed something?
  Jo



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 0:41am
Subject: Re: Re: (unknown)

On Sat, 25 May 2002, roberto_tores wrote:

> Thanks!  
> 
> I also have found some random crashes when running on the POSE (Palm 
> IIIc, OS 4.1)

	Something a little more specific might be nice ;) Crashes doing
what, what sort of errors, etc :)

	POSE will spit out a lot of nonsense at times though, for
legitimate things. (Warnings). Crashes are certainly interesting, though.

		jeff

> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 May 2002, roberto_tores wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes.
> > > 
> > > And if it is uncheck and i change the percent to 100% the 
> checkbox 
> > > does not get checked.
> > 
> > 	The reason for that is because if you set the %age to 100, and
> > then it implicitly checks, and you uncheck it, what value do we 
> change the
> > %age to?
> > 
> > 	I will be adding a %age of "unknown" (or "n/a") to the 
> system, to
> > resolve this oddity.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> 
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> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 0:44am
Subject: Re: Alarm function

On Sat, 25 May 2002, julie_a_hood wrote:

> Have you considered adding an alarm function to Shadow?

	Many times, and each time I decide against it. ie: You can in a
tap or two link somethign to ToDo or Datebook, and set an alarm there. You
can jump to ToDo or Datebook and back again rather easily with Shadow or
various hacks, so this is a good thing. (Everyone has those apps, since
they are built in, and they are specialized at things like alarms, and
also sync to desktops.. so its a win win win situation :)

> I'm trying to sell my hubby on Shadow, and he is looking for a way to
> set an alarm on his to dos.  I mentioned using Datebook, but he
> doesn't want "Take out the trash" appearing on his list of
> appointments for today.  He just wants an alarm to go off if he hasn't
> taken out the trash by a certain time.

	Linking is the way to go; ie: Using Shadow as a captain of the
team for example.. your datebook is good at setting dates and times. Link
the trash item to the datebook, and set the date and time and alarm
there. Thats what datebook is for after all, and you can then see it on
your desktop, get a desktop alarm, and see it in your list of tasks for
the week etc, in datebook. (And if you have dozens or hundreds of Shadow
lists, the datebook and todo are a handy clearing ground for all the
linked items.. you can have hundreds of Shadow lists, but only one ToDo
and Datebook, and thus all your linked items are easily visible when
needed, regardless of their source)

	Sorry for my rush.. heading out the door :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 0:45am
Subject: Re: latest versions???

On Sat, 25 May 2002, mcginnj wrote:

> Can someone please tell me what the latest version is for the Palm 
> OSportion and the desktop portion?
> 
> On my Prism Shadow says it is 2.2.1, but the PC desktop says 1.1.0.  
> 
> Have I missed something?

	The handheld app has been around a long time. The desktop has been
around only a few months. Hence, the desktop is one major revision behind,
to illustrate its age. You can always get the latest handheld application
(2.2.1), and it will contain the latest approved desktop version for that
handheld version. For the forseeable future, the handheld updates will
always contain the newest desktop updates.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: eric_hart  <ehart@m...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 3:43pm
Subject: Delegated tasks

I would like to track tasks that I assign to other people.  Ideally, 
when I am talking to that person, I would view a filter that shows 
only their tasks.  Does anyone know of a way to do this?

Thanks,

Eric

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadowy thoughts (tags and filtering)

forgot the details about tags until reading this email and Jeff's prior one.  i too would place this at the top of my list, especially for the linking of names, clients, etc. that the address book does not do as neatly.  of course, after jeff finishes the custom category option!  thanks for the work and finishing up the handheld perfection jeff!
kevin----- Original Message ----- 
  From: smasters@a... 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:47 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadowy thoughts (tags and filtering)



  Tags are an extra way of marking each item. You could have tags for
  resources, for categories, for days of the week, for importance, etc. You
  decide. You can then use those tags to filter by. So in the "address link
  filter" example, if one had each of the people that report to you set up as
  a tag, then if he wanted to see "what's Joe working on this week" he could
  filter by the tag "Joe".

  A very powerful organizing tool, that encompasses much.

  I would vote for Tags over anything else handheld-wise, and this would be a
  solution for the "address link filter" as well. Just my .02

  Scott





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From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 8:40pm
Subject: Hi Jeff, re: plugins and MegaWiki

hi jeff, is there any plugin for Shadow that being created for 
MegaWiki any time soon(if is out I'm sorry I din't come across it)

thanks in adance your program is amazing just started using the 
filters and WOW...

congrats, well worth the price

enjoy the weekedn

From: lazza  <firstpacific@r...>
Date: Sun May 26, 2002 11:34pm
Subject: Re: Alarm function

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, julie_a_hood wrote:
> 
> > Have you considered adding an alarm function to Shadow?
> 
> 	Many times, and each time I decide against it. ie: You can in 
a
> tap or two link somethign to ToDo or Datebook, and set an alarm 
there. You
> can jump to ToDo or Datebook and back again rather easily with 
Shadow or
> various hacks, so this is a good thing. 

Can you please help?
 
How can I easily jump to ToDo or Datebook from Shadow and what are 
the best of the hacks for doing that?

If I delete a Shadow-linked todo from ToDo will it be deleted in 
Shadow?

If I use a repeat function in ToDoPlus with a Shadow-linked item will 
the new item generated by the repeat automatically be linked in 
Shadow?

Many thanks,
Larry

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 0:37am
Subject: Re: Re: Alarm function

On Sun, 26 May 2002, lazza wrote:

> > > Have you considered adding an alarm function to Shadow?
> > 
> > 	Many times, and each time I decide against it. ie: You can in 
> a
> > tap or two link somethign to ToDo or Datebook, and set an alarm 
> there. You
> > can jump to ToDo or Datebook and back again rather easily with 
> Shadow or
> > various hacks, so this is a good thing. 
> 
> Can you please help?
>  
> How can I easily jump to ToDo or Datebook from Shadow and what are 
> the best of the hacks for doing that?

	If you have linked an item to todo, then you can simple tap on the
little arrow on the right of the item in the main list view, and are
presented with various options.. one of which is "goto ToDo" or "goto
Datebook" depending which links you have. There are other ways to jump
over as well.

	To come back, you can use a hack, or enable this option: Turn on
"Return after goto" in your global preferences, Link options. So go to
Help, hit Preferences, then Next a couple of times, and enable the option.

	Then when you do a goto, and are done in the other app, just hit
the Home button and you'll return to Shadow directly.

> If I delete a Shadow-linked todo from ToDo will it be deleted in
> Shadow?

	Shadow will warn you that an item has a broken link. You can
delete it then. If you delete it in Shadow, you can have a pref set that
will then delete the corresponding ToDo or Datebook links.

> If I use a repeat function in ToDoPlus with a Shadow-linked item will
> the new item generated by the repeat automatically be linked in
> Shadow?

	The item will not automatically be picked up (since Shadow won't
know which list you want it in, or even if you want it at all). However,
depending how they do the repeat, Shadows link may attach to the new item,
or stay at the old one.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 1:00am
Subject: Re: Alarm function

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> > If I use a repeat function in ToDoPlus with a Shadow-linked item 
will
> > the new item generated by the repeat automatically be linked in
> > Shadow?
> 
> 	The item will not automatically be picked up (since Shadow 
won't
> know which list you want it in, or even if you want it at all). 
However,
> depending how they do the repeat, Shadows link may attach to the 
new item,
> or stay at the old one.

-----If I recall correctly--Shadow picks up the next occurence of 
repeating to-dos in to do plus--

I'm not sure about the re-generating to-dos though--I think it had 
trouble with those .

In either case---To Do plus won't generate the next occurence until 
the app is run again.---This can be done once a day etc.

hope that helps.

Paul
 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:39am
Subject: Re: Delegated tasks

On Sun, 26 May 2002, eric_hart wrote:

> I would like to track tasks that I assign to other people.  Ideally, 
> when I am talking to that person, I would view a filter that shows 
> only their tasks.  Does anyone know of a way to do this?

	Not in as complete a way as you want it; that ability is coming
soonish. You can, however, link address book entries to Shadow items, to
attach people to tasks, as one way to help out. I'm sure others have lots
of ideas on other ways :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:40am
Subject: Re: Hi Jeff, re: plugins and MegaWiki

On Sun, 26 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> hi jeff, is there any plugin for Shadow that being created for 
> MegaWiki any time soon(if is out I'm sorry I din't come across it)

	Not by me; I have enough stuff on my plate without working on
things to help other applications ;)  If anyone is interested in building
such a thing, I'll assist as much as I can, but if I add any more items to
my soon todo list, people waiting for their requests will lynch me ;)

> thanks in adance your program is amazing just started using the 
> filters and WOW...

	More to come, too ;) (User definable filters very soon)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Alan Macdougall  <dubh@c...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 8:13am
Subject: Feature Status: OPML?

Somewhere on the website there's a mention of forthcoming compatibility
with OPML.  I imagine this would need to be built into the desktop conduit.

I'd be interested to know how far down the track that might be: I already
own quite a nice desktop Outliner that understands OPML - Radio Userland. 

Radio Userland being a web content publishing package as well there's all
sorts of interesting end-user applications that could involve Shadow.

However I'm fairly realistic about the demand for this sort of feature
compared to some of the other things already on the list...

thanks for a cool app Jeff!

Alan

-- 

                Běonn caora dhubh ar an trčad is gile.
          (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)

                <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dubh/>

From: roberto_tores  <ZNWDUMPYLYPN@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 11:56am
Subject: Re: (unknown)

One specific emulator crash was when changing an outline view from 
checklist to custom and changing the custom category options.  When 
tapping done on the outline the emulator crashes badly with a soft 
reset.


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, roberto_tores wrote:
> 
> > Thanks!  
> > 
> > I also have found some random crashes when running on the POSE 
(Palm 
> > IIIc, OS 4.1)
> 
> 	Something a little more specific might be nice ;) Crashes 
doing
> what, what sort of errors, etc :)
> 
> 	POSE will spit out a lot of nonsense at times though, for
> legitimate things. (Warnings). Crashes are certainly interesting, 
though.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 24 May 2002, roberto_tores wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Yes.
> > > > 
> > > > And if it is uncheck and i change the percent to 100% the 
> > checkbox 
> > > > does not get checked.
> > > 
> > > 	The reason for that is because if you set the %age to 100, and
> > > then it implicitly checks, and you uncheck it, what value do we 
> > change the
> > > %age to?
> > > 
> > > 	I will be adding a %age of "unknown" (or "n/a") to the 
> > system, to
> > > resolve this oddity.
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he 
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: David Heasler  <David.Heasler@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: Desktop Improvements???

I am a registered user of Thought Manager, Progect and Shadow.

Bought into Progect because they had a desktop component.
When I and others discovered their desktop component didn't sync we were told it was 'coming soon'. That was eight months ago.
Its still coming.

In frustration with Progect I registered shadow about January. Thrilled to see that syncronization actually worked. Thrilled with features on the palm but sadly disappointed to discover that limitations of the desktop components made it of minimal use. But was told that improvements to the desktop component were 'coming soon'. Then 'right after vacation'. 

Its perhaps unreasonable that purchasers of palm software have expectations of development. But, when future developments are communicated at point of sale the follow through is really important, isn't it?  Please don't take offense. But please, hold off on some of the palm application development for a while and give us some help with the desktop component. 

Its really needed and long awaited. It will be deeply appreciated.

Respectfully submitted,
Dave Heasler

From: jc21009  <jc21009@y...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 3:05pm
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

I've been out of touch for a while and I'm catching up on about 2 
months of this list...

After reading through the discussion on "auto todo import" I had to 
chime in, even though it looks like the thread stopped some time ago.

Speaking fr those of us who use the palm desktop just as often as the 
hh to update and maintain our calendars, contacts and todo's, I have 
to say that much of what id being discussed doesn't really solve the 
problem of having to do perform multiple manipultions of todo's 
sometimes in Shadow,  sometimes in your preferred todo ap - almost 
always on thr hh. Changes made via the desktop create a whole new 
series of obsticals...

A couple of months ago, Jeff published a portion of an email that I 
sent to him. The concept is simple, but I have no idea what the 
programming would require. One list in Shadow that comes from "the 
manufacturer" already set to READ and WRITE directly to the todo 
database. Complete with notes and catagories etc. Any changes made to 
the database are then read by both aps. The list would have one 
parent per catagory, each parent woulf have one child per todo item.

From this point things like tags and linking within or between Shadow 
lists become (from my perspective) the custom ways to see what you 
want to see. From the number of items in this email thread, it's easy 
to see that we've all come up with our own solution, so forgive me 
for trying to sell my version.  See "Possible? (Someones Suggestion)" 
from mid March for the text of my original email.

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 3:58pm
Subject: Importing from Hi-Note

Has anyone manage successfully to import from Hi-Note to Shadow?
If so, do you have any tips or warnings you can share, please?

Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.0, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Improvements???

david,
if you have been registered since january and in the discussion list, or if you had gone to the archives and read past messages, you would be fully aware of the plan and that jeff is on target with what all of us have heard for a while.  jeff has indicated a few things are going to be finished on the handheld first so it is "perfected" and should not need work for some time.  then the work will begin on the desktop.  since we all use pda's, obviously having it finished first is the priority.  the desktop is like icing on the cake for most.  thus, quit complaining, and if you look at the handheld and its abilities, when the desktop is done you will likely have a fine product.  learn to be patient like the rest of us, and in the end you will be happy.  for some that is not so easy, but you can still give it a try!  ; )
kevin
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Heasler 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 7:34 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Desktop Improvements???



  I am a registered user of Thought Manager, Progect and Shadow.

  Bought into Progect because they had a desktop component.
  When I and others discovered their desktop component didn't sync we were told it was 'coming soon'. That was eight months ago.
  Its still coming.

  In frustration with Progect I registered shadow about January. Thrilled to see that syncronization actually worked. Thrilled with features on the palm but sadly disappointed to discover that limitations of the desktop components made it of minimal use. But was told that improvements to the desktop component were 'coming soon'. Then 'right after vacation'. 

  Its perhaps unreasonable that purchasers of palm software have expectations of development. But, when future developments are communicated at point of sale the follow through is really important, isn't it?  Please don't take offense. But please, hold off on some of the palm application development for a while and give us some help with the desktop component. 

  Its really needed and long awaited. It will be deeply appreciated.

  Respectfully submitted,
  Dave Heasler





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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: Re: Feature Status: OPML?

On Mon, 27 May 2002, Alan Macdougall wrote:

> Somewhere on the website there's a mention of forthcoming compatibility
> with OPML.  I imagine this would need to be built into the desktop conduit.

	The conduit and desktop, of course.

> I'd be interested to know how far down the track that might be: I
> already own quite a nice desktop Outliner that understands OPML -
> Radio Userland.

	Awhile; I'm being pulled in too many directions at once, so I
can't scare in OPML support for awhile. It'd be an easy XSLT sheet though,
if you or anyone is interested.

> Radio Userland being a web content publishing package as well there's
> all sorts of interesting end-user applications that could involve
> Shadow.
> 
> However I'm fairly realistic about the demand for this sort of feature
> compared to some of the other things already on the list...

	Thats the rub ;)

> thanks for a cool app Jeff!

	Just glad to help out :)

		jeff

> 
> Alan
> 
> -- 
> 
>                 Běonn caora dhubh ar an trčad is gile.
>           (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)
> 
>                 <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dubh/>
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: (unknown)

On Mon, 27 May 2002, roberto_tores wrote:

> One specific emulator crash was when changing an outline view from 
> checklist to custom and changing the custom category options.  When 
> tapping done on the outline the emulator crashes badly with a soft 
> reset.

	Repeatable? Which error? Which emu version and ROM are you using?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Improvements???

On Mon, 27 May 2002, David Heasler wrote:

> I am a registered user of Thought Manager, Progect and Shadow.
> 
> Bought into Progect because they had a desktop component. When I and
> others discovered their desktop component didn't sync we were told it
> was 'coming soon'. That was eight months ago. Its still coming.

	"bought" in the relative term I hope; Progect is free, last I
checked.

> In frustration with Progect I registered shadow about January.
> Thrilled to see that syncronization actually worked. Thrilled with
> features on the palm but sadly disappointed to discover that
> limitations of the desktop components made it of minimal use. But was
> told that improvements to the desktop component were 'coming soon'.
> Then 'right after vacation'.

	Right.

> Its perhaps unreasonable that purchasers of palm software have
> expectations of development. But, when future developments are
> communicated at point of sale the follow through is really important,
> isn't it?  Please don't take offense. But please, hold off on some of
> the palm application development for a while and give us some help
> with the desktop component.

	I don't develop "at random"; I poll a lot of people to try and
gauge relative desire and worth of the things I build, as well as
factoring in time to build, annoyance and suffering in building, and how
long I've been promising something (or how long its been in my head or on
the todo list). If you check trhe dev plan (which is on the website,
though not written in stone) you'll note that the desktops are pretty much
at the top of the list.

	Theres lots to be done; due to various change sin the Palm OS
markets, and units, and platform cross compatability I'm trying to
maintain, etc, theres a lot of behind the scenes work going on. You dont'
see much, but I'm leading towards lots of goodness. Just remember I'm
supporting Palm OS across several platforms and working on desktops across
a half dozen platforms, including fixes, features, and lots of stuff. It
takes time on a minimal budget ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Mon, 27 May 2002, jc21009 wrote:

> I've been out of touch for a while and I'm catching up on about 2 
> months of this list...
> 
> After reading through the discussion on "auto todo import" I had to 
> chime in, even though it looks like the thread stopped some time ago.

	I forget much of what was said myself. So for sake of argument,
I'll play devils advocate below :)

> Speaking fr those of us who use the palm desktop just as often as the 
> hh to update and maintain our calendars, contacts and todo's, I have 
> to say that much of what id being discussed doesn't really solve the 
> problem of having to do perform multiple manipultions of todo's 
> sometimes in Shadow,  sometimes in your preferred todo ap - almost 
> always on thr hh. Changes made via the desktop create a whole new 
> series of obsticals...
> 
> A couple of months ago, Jeff published a portion of an email that I 
> sent to him. The concept is simple, but I have no idea what the 
> programming would require. One list in Shadow that comes from "the 
> manufacturer" already set to READ and WRITE directly to the todo 
> database. Complete with notes and catagories etc. Any changes made to 
> the database are then read by both aps. The list would have one 
> parent per catagory, each parent woulf have one child per todo item.

	The problem with that is that you must lose a lot of the Shadow
goodness. Shadow has to keep its own databases since it has so many more
features than the built in applications databases can hope to contain.
Storing half the data in the built in and half the data in a Shadow list
is not useful, since that doesn't apply to straight Shadow lists, so it
would be a second method of data storage, which is wasteful.. and it also
leeds to many complications and impossibilities and limits (considering
beaming implications, for example). So Shadow data has to be kept all in
Shadow lists.

	This leads to two ways of implementing the above; 1) Auto import
all new items from the todo magic list into a special Shadow list. 2) Not
using a Shaodw list, but just having a special unique Shadow category view
of the ToDo database.

	1) What happens to items you delete in the Shadow list? Do they
delete from the todo list? What happens to items you delete from another
todo program.. do they auto-delete from the Shadow list? What about
hierarchy? Repeating todos and stuff become a problem. Could work, but
would be much development, which puts it down the list.

	2) Shadow magic todo list; we could make a custom type "TODO
LIST", that way any list could be assigned that type, and thus you coudl
put it into multiple Shadow categories, say. When the file is opened,
Shadow could then read through the entire todo list and build a dynamic
list from it (slow .. Shadow needs to cache various info and details about
the items, since Shadow has so many features and the todos do not, and
Shadow is not build to handle plain todos). So Shadow would read through
the ToDo database, figuring out how the items would look in Shadow
land. Perhaps ignore completed todos, for speed sake. Sort into categories
as top level items, todos as second level items.

	What then happens if you drag and drop todos around? Or try and
make greater depths? or link to todo? :) I would have to build many limits
into this mode so that you cannot do normal Shadowy things.

	To what end?

	Do duplicate what you already have in every Palm OS PDA? :)

	What about alarms and such, that Shadow does not do (or need to
do, due to every unit having Todo and Datebook?)

	I'm not convinced that the amount of work is worth it. What
benefits do we gain? :)

		jeff

> >From this point things like tags and linking within or between Shadow 
> lists become (from my perspective) the custom ways to see what you 
> want to see. From the number of items in this email thread, it's easy 
> to see that we've all come up with our own solution, so forgive me 
> for trying to sell my version.  See "Possible? (Someones Suggestion)" 
> from mid March for the text of my original email. 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 4:41pm
Subject: Re: Importing from Hi-Note

On Mon, 27 May 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> Has anyone manage successfully to import from Hi-Note to Shadow?
> If so, do you have any tips or warnings you can share, please?
> 
> Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.0, JackFlash, DateBk5, 
> ShadowPlan and a LOAD of system extension hacks)

	I experimented in the past; I forget the results (it was a year or
two back); I do recall that for the majority of then-current versions of
Hi-Note, you could do no sensible import due to them carefully chosing an
export format that had virtually no sense or value to it :) That may not
be true anymore, I'd have to check.

	I expect you could do a desktop oriented import; there is a
Shadow-tips entry on how to change text files on a desktop into simple
Shadow XML files that you can import using the desktop..

		jeff

From: egroy  <egroy@y...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

I was a happy user of Shadow for a long while. I am using it to track 
project activities as well as for personal projects / thought 
outlines / etc. 

My first problem started a few months ago, when my work project file 
and meeting notes file had become so large (> 400 entries each), it 
would take Shadow a while to open / close them, and also trying to 
find a record on the fly had become difficult. I tried to fix this by 
breaking these two files into a bunch of interlinked smaller files. 
This seemed to fix the problem for a while, but now there's about 2 - 
3 sec delay when I try do do any sort of file operations (switch from 
one category to another, open files, etc.) According to Jeff, this is 
due to the # of files in the system. I think the problem starts once 
the number of Shadow files exceeds 35 or so.

I can reduce the # of files by using Datebk5 + Megawiki + Supernames 
+ Memos for smaller projects. However, if I can't use Shadow for 
every project, what's the point of using it at all ? Using different 
tools to do the same tasks is a poor practice.

I have Handspring Visor running under Afterburner, with the speed of 
250% over Palm IIIe as reported by Benchmark. This seems to be fast 
enough for all my other needs.

Have anyone run into the same problem ? Any tips / tricks / 
suggestions that wouldn't require the change of hardware ? (If I had 
to shell out a couple hundred bucks again, I'd probably go for IPAQ).

Thanks !

Eugene

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:01pm
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

If both Desktop and Handheld Shadows 
had the same functionality, which one 
do you think you would do most of your 
work on ? (i.e. creating lists, adding 
items (planning stage), reading lists, 
checking off items (implementation 
stage) 

  o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm away from PC 
  o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only 
  o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work will be done on DT 
  o I don't know yet 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Improvements???

I understand your impatience.  Shadow is this useful and feature rich
because Jeff has responded to many of our suggestions and implemented those
with the widest (or loudest) appeal.  We mostly wanted the handheld side to
be "perfect", and that perhaps has delayed Jeff working on the Desktop
somewhat.  But the same excellent work will happen to the Desktop, now that
it's close to the top of the ToDo list.  Hang in there and you won't be
disappointed.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Heasler" <David.Heasler@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Desktop Improvements???


>
> I am a registered user of Thought Manager, Progect and Shadow.
>
> Bought into Progect because they had a desktop component.
> When I and others discovered their desktop component didn't sync we were
told it was 'coming soon'. That was eight months ago.
> Its still coming.
>
> In frustration with Progect I registered shadow about January. Thrilled to
see that syncronization actually worked. Thrilled with features on the palm
but sadly disappointed to discover that limitations of the desktop
components made it of minimal use. But was told that improvements to the
desktop component were 'coming soon'. Then 'right after vacation'.
>
> Its perhaps unreasonable that purchasers of palm software have
expectations of development. But, when future developments are communicated
at point of sale the follow through is really important, isn't it?  Please
don't take offense. But please, hold off on some of the palm application
development for a while and give us some help with the desktop component.
>
> Its really needed and long awaited. It will be deeply appreciated.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Dave Heasler
>
>
>
>
>
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>

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:07pm
Subject: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

never had a similar problem, but sounds like a memory problem on the pda itself.  however, how much free memory on your pda?  usually you need double the program itself to run efficiently...thus figure out your total shadow space with your data included, double it, and see if you have that much free space.  if not, time to clear out some of the old.  there are places you can send your unit to double the internal memory from 8 to 16 as i have done, and it helps greatly.  of course now with os5 coming out, more speed, and more memory you may just want to wait and buy another.  as for ipaq, looks cool, but i'd stay with palm os myself.  make sure you do your research before you make the jump, as have many i know that were disappointed after they made the jump.  good luck.
kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: egroy 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:36 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?


  I was a happy user of Shadow for a long while. I am using it to track 
  project activities as well as for personal projects / thought 
  outlines / etc. 

  My first problem started a few months ago, when my work project file 
  and meeting notes file had become so large (> 400 entries each), it 
  would take Shadow a while to open / close them, and also trying to 
  find a record on the fly had become difficult. I tried to fix this by 
  breaking these two files into a bunch of interlinked smaller files. 
  This seemed to fix the problem for a while, but now there's about 2 - 
  3 sec delay when I try do do any sort of file operations (switch from 
  one category to another, open files, etc.) According to Jeff, this is 
  due to the # of files in the system. I think the problem starts once 
  the number of Shadow files exceeds 35 or so.

  I can reduce the # of files by using Datebk5 + Megawiki + Supernames 
  + Memos for smaller projects. However, if I can't use Shadow for 
  every project, what's the point of using it at all ? Using different 
  tools to do the same tasks is a poor practice.

  I have Handspring Visor running under Afterburner, with the speed of 
  250% over Palm IIIe as reported by Benchmark. This seems to be fast 
  enough for all my other needs.

  Have anyone run into the same problem ? Any tips / tricks / 
  suggestions that wouldn't require the change of hardware ? (If I had 
  to shell out a couple hundred bucks again, I'd probably go for IPAQ).

  Thanks !

  Eugene 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:10pm
Subject: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

more choices on the poll...what about mostly on HH with occasional work on DT too....  oh well, will choose the closest of the limited choices!
kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:01 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] New poll for shadow-discuss



  Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
  shadow-discuss group:

  If both Desktop and Handheld Shadows 
  had the same functionality, which one 
  do you think you would do most of your 
  work on ? (i.e. creating lists, adding 
  items (planning stage), reading lists, 
  checking off items (implementation 
  stage) 

    o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm away from PC 
    o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only 
    o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work will be done on DT 
    o I don't know yet 


  To vote, please visit the following web page:

  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/surveys?id=922019  

  Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
  not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
  web site listed above.

  Thanks!



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Pat Galea  <pg@d...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:07pm
Subject: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

> more choices on the poll...what about mostly on HH with occasional work on
DT too....  oh well, will choose the closest of the limited choices!
> kevin

Ditto! That's what I wanted to choose.

pg

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

I know we're not encouraged to respond in this way, but I can't vote. 
Choices are wrong. For example

"Mostly working on HH, using DT to print only" - contrast the "Mostly" 
in the first clause with the "only" in the second. What about "Mostly 
working on HH, but often working on the DT." Is that included in this 
response or not?

Not a well constructed poll, I'm afraid.

On Monday, May 27, 2002, at 12:01 , shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com  
wrote:

>   o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm away 
> from PC
>   o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only
>   o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work will be 
> done on DT
>   o I don't know yet
Ken Gordon

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 7:06pm
Subject: ? for Powerusers

Hi folks,

1.Is there a way to on Custom list to move the date, the cube, and 
the arrow link more to the left so its not crammed up on the right

2. I'm trying to implement Shadow for all todo's connecting to DBK5 
as links but what happens on the following scenario:

I have a List called Class with all my exam, quiz, hw, scheduled and 
I filter by high priority for things coming up, ok fine, I have 
another list called @GTD with the following List(not children)
Home
School
Finance

and under each of those the following children:
This Week
This Month
This Quarter


so far so good right, i think, anyway, I would like to be able to 
transfer the high priority items on my Class List over to my School 
List under the children This Week or whichever one, follow me but I 
can't figure it out or may not be possible. I'm also using either MW 
or Linker

thanks

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 9:02pm
Subject: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

On Mon, 27 May 2002, egroy wrote:

> I was a happy user of Shadow for a long while. I am using it to track 
> project activities as well as for personal projects / thought 
> outlines / etc. 
> 
> My first problem started a few months ago, when my work project file 
> and meeting notes file had become so large (> 400 entries each), it 
> would take Shadow a while to open / close them, and also trying to 
> find a record on the fly had become difficult. I tried to fix this by 
> breaking these two files into a bunch of interlinked smaller files. 
> This seemed to fix the problem for a while, but now there's about 2 - 
> 3 sec delay when I try do do any sort of file operations (switch from 
> one category to another, open files, etc.) According to Jeff, this is 
> due to the # of files in the system. I think the problem starts once 
> the number of Shadow files exceeds 35 or so.

	Nope; the number of Shadow files isn't relevant; its the number of
files on your entire device. ie: Since you can have as many Shadow filesd
as you want, of whatever name you want, Shadow must ask Palm OS to search
for files of type "Shadow" (more or less). For the "ToDo" program, there
is only "ToDoDB", so it just opens it.. but Shadow, in the file selection
screen, must go through the Palm OS and look for any file of type
"Shadow". As such, your time to scan the files is directly proportional to
the number of files on your device, and how fragmented that listing is,
etc.

	So, if you have a new unit, with 100 Shadow files on it, fast. If
you've got a unit you've hsd for a few years, and you've been trying new
applciations on it every week for that time, and likely have thousands of
files in your palm memory, than the directory search is slow.

	Nothign I can easily do about it; I can cache the file listing,
right, in a file, so that instead of scanning memory, I just read the file
listing. This is cool and works fine.. until you send up files from the
desktop, or from beaming, or the like, or reinstall your unit, or things
out of scope. At which time the cache can be invalidated, and then you
start wondering where your files are.. so I'd need to include a
"Refresh" button to refresh the cache. And then get lots of questions.

	Actually, fighting the above argument is something I didn't think
of; a preference to enable a cache. Enabling the pref woudl make a warning
box asking "are you sure?", so you know darned well what your'e going
into. If you say yes, I can live on the cache, and you can push a Refresh
button to rescan then.

	That'd be pretty fast.

	Hows that sounds?

> I can reduce the # of files by using Datebk5 + Megawiki + Supernames +
> Memos for smaller projects. However, if I can't use Shadow for every
> project, what's the point of using it at all ? Using different tools
> to do the same tasks is a poor practice.

	Shadow is not the problem; I've got 150 Shadow files in a dozen
categories, and its fast as lightning -- I trim the other useless files in
memory to keep other programs from spewing out crap :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 9:07pm
Subject: Re: ? for Powerusers

On Mon, 27 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> 1.Is there a way to on Custom list to move the date, the cube, and 
> the arrow link more to the left so its not crammed up on the right

	Actual positions are determined by Shadow, to fit the current
screen and with an average spacing that seems to have been welcomed. I
don't yet have any fudge factors for tighting up spacving on personal
preference.

> 2. I'm trying to implement Shadow for all todo's connecting to DBK5 as
> links but what happens on the following scenario:
> 
> I have a List called Class with all my exam, quiz, hw, scheduled and 
> I filter by high priority for things coming up, ok fine, I have 
> another list called @GTD with the following List(not children)
> Home
> School
> Finance
> 
> and under each of those the following children:
> This Week
> This Month
> This Quarter
> 
> so far so good right, i think, anyway, I would like to be able to 
> transfer the high priority items on my Class List over to my School 
> List under the children This Week or whichever one, follow me but I 
> can't figure it out or may not be possible. I'm also using either MW 
> or Linker

	I'll leave this to some of the GtD people :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jc21009  <jc21009@y...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 9:25pm
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

As for losing Shadow goodness: 
One of Shadow's best features (in my litle world)is it's flexability. 
I understand the limitations imposed by the todo database, but would 
suggest that the todo aps (both built-in and all the replacements 
I've tried) impose limitations that go far beyond the the database. 
The simple things that Shadow would improve would be worth the 
purchase price alone.  For example: 

built in app - lots of wasted screen space, to few items per screen, 
limited font support (unless you like lots of crashes), need hacks to 
do any good linking. 

datebk4/5 todo presentation - when I check something as "done", I 
have to go back the "due date" in the datebook side then flip back to 
the todo list to see the completed item. I keep a lot of resident 
notes on item progress that are still relavent after completion. I 
find the datebk4/5 approach unacceptable, although I am trying to 
construct a custom view that will work for me. (their support team 
has not been able to help me yet)

   

> This leads to two ways of implementing the above; 1) Auto import 
>all new items from the todo magic list into a special Shadow list. 
>2) Not using a Shaodw list, but just having a special unique Shadow 
>category view of the ToDo database.
> 

Would either of the above allow for new items to be added // or 
changes to existing items thru Shadow (and have them saved to the 
todo database).

>1) What happens to items you delete in the Shadow list? Do they
> delete from the todo list? What happens to items you delete from 
>another todo program.. do they auto-delete from the Shadow list? 
>What about hierarchy? Repeating todos and stuff become a problem. 
>Could work, but would be much development, which puts it down the 
>list.
>

I would keep it "simple" - deletes - if not writing direclty to and 
from the todo database, then any 'sync' between the 2 should include 
not only deletes, but adds and changes.
 

> 2) Shadow magic todo list; we could make a custom type "TODO
> LIST", that way any list could be assigned that type, and thus you 
>coudl put it into multiple Shadow categories, say. When the file is 
opened,> Shadow could then read through the entire todo list and 
build a dynamic list from it (slow .. Shadow needs to cache various 
info and details about the items, since Shadow has so many features 
and the todos do not, and
> Shadow is not build to handle plain todos). So Shadow would read 
through
> the ToDo database, figuring out how the items would look in Shadow
> land. Perhaps ignore completed todos, for speed sake. Sort into 
categories
> as top level items, todos as second level items.
> 

ignoring completed items takes me back to Datebk4/5


>What then happens if you drag and drop todos around? Or try and
> make greater depths? or link to todo? :) I would have to build many 
>limits into this mode so that you cannot do normal Shadowy things.
> To what end?
> Do duplicate what you already have in every Palm OS PDA? :)
> What about alarms and such, that Shadow does not do (or need to
> do, due to every unit having Todo and Datebook?)
> 

I'm talking about a better mousetrap for the average mouse (not 
trying trying to catch Pinky and the Brain). In other words I would 
view this merely as a tool that Shadow has to offer the masses. 
Shadow already has a U/I that blows away any todo apps I've used, 
just need the right kind of access to the todo database to make it a 
complete replacement.

> I'm not convinced that the amount of work is worth it. What
> benefits do we gain? :)
> 

I see a benefit, from a user's and a marketer's standpoint, I would 
keep it simple, thus increasing the cost benefit ratio. But as 
always, these are merely my desires, if i had the skills I'd try it. 
Shadow already exceeds my need on the HH side. Desktop is another 
story.

We've traded a few emails on the desktop functionality, since mine 
won't work (yes I'm still here) I'd rank this higher (for me).

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Mon May 27, 2002 11:10pm
Subject: Re: ? for Powerusers: Thanks Jeff

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > 1.Is there a way to on Custom list to move the date, the cube, 
and 
> > the arrow link more to the left so its not crammed up on the right
> 
> 	Actual positions are determined by Shadow, to fit the current
> screen and with an average spacing that seems to have been 
welcomed. I
> don't yet have any fudge factors for tighting up spacving on 
personal
> preference.
> 
> > 2. I'm trying to implement Shadow for all todo's connecting to 
DBK5 as
> > links but what happens on the following scenario:
> > 
> > I have a List called Class with all my exam, quiz, hw, scheduled 
and 
> > I filter by high priority for things coming up, ok fine, I have 
> > another list called @GTD with the following List(not children)
> > Home
> > School
> > Finance
> > 
> > and under each of those the following children:
> > This Week
> > This Month
> > This Quarter
> > 
> > so far so good right, i think, anyway, I would like to be able to 
> > transfer the high priority items on my Class List over to my 
School 
> > List under the children This Week or whichever one, follow me but 
I 
> > can't figure it out or may not be possible. I'm also using either 
MW 
> > or Linker
> 
> 	I'll leave this to some of the GtD people :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:03am
Subject: List and Combining them

Is it possible to combined two list into one, I can't figure it out, 
if this is possible at all, any insights, greatly appreciated..

jel

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:13am
Subject: A better explanation to the prev. post: relating to SP and Importing List

Hello, is it possible to combined two list into one with Shadow Plan, 
I can't figure it out, if this is possible at all, any insights, 
greatly appreciated..I also use MW to link back to Shadow, but in my 
current system I'd like inport a list onto another one. eg. "Main 
Item List" right

there I have a list called Next Action and Current Action, so far so 
good right, ok, I have another list called DAT Study Plan, where I 
list all my study matieral and selected study time for the next 
3months... ok eg.[ Bio: Kaplan    5/31/02], now what I'd like to do 
is import this particular item to the "Master Item List" under the 
the listing of current action or next action either/or depending on 
the situation. Can this be done and if so how, please.

thanks in advance

 :)

From: Byron Allgood  <1POPOLO@P...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 2:34am
Subject: RE: Digest Number 510

I could not agree more.
I would suggest building these ground breaking features into  the H/H first.
Those who are not familiar will thank you when they see what it can do. Then
when you work the Desktop app again, you can include filters and tags into
that side, and do a complete job of it all at once.

________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:00:25 -0700
>    From: "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Shadowy thoughts (tags and filtering)
>
> forgot the details about tags until reading this email and Jeff's
> prior one.  i too would place this at the top of my list,
> especially for the linking of names, clients, etc. that the
> address book does not do as neatly.  of course, after jeff
> finishes the custom category option!  thanks for the work and
> finishing up the handheld perfection jeff!
> kevin----- Original Message -----
>   From: smasters@a...
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:47 AM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadowy thoughts (tags and filtering)
>
>
>
>   Tags are an extra way of marking each item. You could have tags for
>   resources, for categories, for days of the week, for
> importance, etc. You
>   decide. You can then use those tags to filter by. So in the
> "address link
>   filter" example, if one had each of the people that report to
> you set up as
>   a tag, then if he wanted to see "what's Joe working on this
> week" he could
>   filter by the tag "Joe".
>
>   A very powerful organizing tool, that encompasses much.
>
>   I would vote for Tags over anything else handheld-wise, and
> this would be a
>   solution for the "address link filter" as well. Just my .02
>
>   Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 2:56am
Subject: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., shadow-discuss@y... wrote:
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> shadow-discuss group:
> 
> If both Desktop and Handheld Shadows 
> had the same functionality, which one 
> do you think you would do most of your 
> work on ? (i.e. creating lists, adding 
> items (planning stage), reading lists, 
> checking off items (implementation 
> stage) 
> 
>   o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm away
from PC 
>   o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only 
>   o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work will be
done on DT 
>   o I don't know yet 
> 
> 

I have to agree with the other desires for more options on this. I
would have voted for the opposite of 3...

New lists created on DT (especially large projects), most work done
on HH.

I think this is specifically important since you had already said that
linking of items to Outlook and other DTs would be limited if present
at all, due to lack of "syncability".

Thus how *could* one do most of the work on the DT?  Unless you don't
link...which to me seems unlikely...

Just my 2 cents...

Ken

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 2:59am
Subject: Re: List and Combining them

On Tue, 28 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Is it possible to combined two list into one, I can't figure it out, 
> if this is possible at all, any insights, greatly appreciated..

	There is not yet a "merge files" operation, though I intend on
adding one. You can use some clipboard operations to bring items across
(especially when the clip is in multi-clip mode). (ie: Try selecting and
copying in one list, then flip to the other list and hit Move, which
pastes and clears the clip in one shot). The multiclip lets you keep
copying without losing the clip contents, and with some strategic copy
choices you can copy the whole list pretty fast.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 3:06am
Subject: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
<snip>
> 	Nothign I can easily do about it; I can cache the file listing,
> right, in a file, so that instead of scanning memory, I just read
the file
> listing. This is cool and works fine.. until you send up files from
the
> desktop, or from beaming, or the like, or reinstall your unit, or
things
> out of scope. At which time the cache can be invalidated, and then
you
> start wondering where your files are.. so I'd need to include a
> "Refresh" button to refresh the cache. And then get lots of
questions.
> 
> 	Actually, fighting the above argument is something I didn't think
> of; a preference to enable a cache. Enabling the pref woudl make a
warning
> box asking "are you sure?", so you know darned well what your'e
going
> into. If you say yes, I can live on the cache, and you can push a
Refresh
> button to rescan then.
> 
> 	That'd be pretty fast.
> 
> 	Hows that sounds?
> 
<snip>

Butting in, here...

I think this sounds good.  But what about an "auto-refresh" on first
use after a hotsync?  Most of the time, that would be when new SP
files would show up.  'Course you'd still need a manual method.

Ken

From: paulbcf  <ext555@p...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 3:07am
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> 
> 	I'm not convinced that the amount of work is worth it. What
> benefits do we gain? :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 

---This wouldn't matter as much if "New From" worked correctly--
Personally--I'd rather auto import all new to-do items into a 
special list and then move them from there.--

Desktop use is needed--and the crashes after new from don't make it 
worth using the feature---

If we could just import all "new to-dos" that would be great!

Paul.

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 3:32am
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

See, now i respectfully disagree with the last part of your remarks, as i find i'm just the opposite of what you suggest.  I don't link to much within my desktop, and do all the linking within my pda.  Thus, for me desktop is mainly just to add data quicker, as it still is easier to enter lots of input or data on a desktop.  I find i use my desktop more as the backup system to my calendaring/outline/phone programs (which could change a bit with the new desktop system on the way).  Thus, i create most on the pda, and then if i have a lot of data to enter i go to my desktop for faster entry (even with the pda keyboard i use occasionally).  And of course, i use the desktop for printing as that seems to almost be a given with the crappy pda printers).  

Now a new thought...Seems to me that Jeff spoiled us all by being a pda programmer who developed an awesome program, and now that he is putting a desktop version on the market for syncing and use with the pda those who still don't find quality in the desktop market are dying to have his entire focus there.  Remember, we both want an awesome product.  Jeff is so close to blowing away the competition with this program, lets let him finish with the few remaining details.  Once that is done, I say spend LOTS of time on the desktop to make in sync perfectly and have similar attributes to the pda.  Then we have two awesome programs in the end instead of two that have signs of greatness but did not quite take it there.  This is what we wish would happen with all programmers and programs.  Jeff and a couple others in this market set the standards for greatness, so lets support them fully and strive for two awesome programs!

Just some of my thoughts this evening....

Kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kenclatham 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 7:56 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: New poll for shadow-discuss


  > 
  >   o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm away
  from PC 
  >   o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only 
  >   o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work will be
  done on DT 
  >   o I don't know yet 
  > 
  > 

  I have to agree with the other desires for more options on this. I
  would have voted for the opposite of 3...

  New lists created on DT (especially large projects), most work done
  on HH.

  I think this is specifically important since you had already said that
  linking of items to Outlook and other DTs would be limited if present
  at all, due to lack of "syncability".

  Thus how *could* one do most of the work on the DT?  Unless you don't
  link...which to me seems unlikely...

  Just my 2 cents...

  Ken




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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 3:36am
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

sounds fine here too, and i also like the automatic auto-refresh on first use after a hotsync.  great ideas from all three...thanks.
kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kenclatham 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:06 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?


  --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  <snip>
  >       Nothign I can easily do about it; I can cache the file listing,
  > right, in a file, so that instead of scanning memory, I just read
  the file
  > listing. This is cool and works fine.. until you send up files from
  the
  > desktop, or from beaming, or the like, or reinstall your unit, or
  things
  > out of scope. At which time the cache can be invalidated, and then
  you
  > start wondering where your files are.. so I'd need to include a
  > "Refresh" button to refresh the cache. And then get lots of
  questions.
  > 
  >       Actually, fighting the above argument is something I didn't think
  > of; a preference to enable a cache. Enabling the pref woudl make a
  warning
  > box asking "are you sure?", so you know darned well what your'e
  going
  > into. If you say yes, I can live on the cache, and you can push a
  Refresh
  > button to rescan then.
  > 
  >       That'd be pretty fast.
  > 
  >       Hows that sounds?
  > 
  <snip>

  Butting in, here...

  I think this sounds good.  But what about an "auto-refresh" on first
  use after a hotsync?  Most of the time, that would be when new SP
  files would show up.  'Course you'd still need a manual method.

  Ken




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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 3:43am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

by that do you mean import all new to-dos that are not linked?  i think that is what you mean and that would be my preference.  i'll have to check it out again on mine, as i don't recall it as problematic as suggested.  glad i'm not the programmer!  ; )
kevin


------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: paulbcf 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:07 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: auto todo import?


  --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  >       I'm not convinced that the amount of work is worth it. What
  > benefits do we gain? :)
  > 
  >             jeff
  > 

  ---This wouldn't matter as much if "New From" worked correctly--
  Personally--I'd rather auto import all new to-do items into a 
  special list and then move them from there.--

  Desktop use is needed--and the crashes after new from don't make it 
  worth using the feature---

  If we could just import all "new to-dos" that would be great!

  Paul.




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From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 5:25am
Subject: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> See, now i respectfully disagree with the last part of your remarks,
as i find i'm just the opposite of what you suggest.  I don't link to
much within my desktop, and do all the linking within my pda.  Thus,
for me desktop is mainly just to add data quicker, as it still is
easier to enter lots of input or data on a desktop.  I find i use my
desktop more as the backup system to my calendaring/outline/phone
programs (which could change a bit with the new desktop system on the
way).  Thus, i create most on the pda, and then if i have a lot of
data to enter i go to my desktop for faster entry (even with the pda
keyboard i use occasionally).  And of course, i use the desktop for
printing as that seems to almost be a given with the crappy pda
printers).  

HUH?! "respectfully disagree"?

I have a little trouble understanding how you say you wish to disagree
and then say *exactly* what I said was true.

Your points:
(1) You don't link on the desktop (all on PDA)
(2) You use the DT to *add* lists (or add *to* them)
(3) Small lists you create on the HH
(4) You use the DT mostly as a backup.

I said (see below again):
(1) You *can't* link on the DT (hence I don't, nor can anyone)
(2) I use DT to add data and create lists
(3) especially large ones... (implying I create small ones on HH)
(4) I said its unlikely (impractical) most work will be done on DT.

Which all sums up to show we're pretty much in agreement and it is the
the *opposite* of choice # 3

<snip>
>   > 
>   >   o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm
away
>   from PC 
>   >   o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only 
>   >   o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work
will be
>   done on DT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is #3.  You already said you create lists on the DT because of
data entry, so that contradicts the first clause. Which is what I was
saying.  Are you saying that *adding* data is *most* of the work?  It
may be easier on the DT to do most of the data entry, but most of the
*work* is done with the HH (even though it may *seem* easy...thanks
Jeff), but most of what *I* consider work comes *after* I get
something on the list.

I suppose if all you're doing is creating *new* checklists for
everything you do, maybe.  But I get the impression most people here
actually schedule...and well that's a *snap* on the HH.  Adding items
in the middle of a meeting, again easy on the HH, a *pain* to write
down and transcribe to the DT.  You even say you use the DT mostly for
backup, so how is any of that the "most work on the DT"... thus falls
the second clause of #3...


>   >   o I don't know yet 
>   > 
>   > 
> 
>   I have to agree with the other desires for more options on this. I
>   would have voted for the opposite of 3...
> 
>   New lists created on DT (especially large projects), most work
done
>   on HH.
> 
>   I think this is specifically important since you had already said
that
>   linking of items to Outlook and other DTs would be limited if
present
>   at all, due to lack of "syncability".
> 
>   Thus how *could* one do most of the work on the DT?  Unless you
don't
>   link...which to me seems unlikely...
> 
>   Just my 2 cents...
> 
>   Ken
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 6:02am
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

i think our thoughts were transcending two separate wavelengths!  i thought by the way you initially made your statements that you inferred if the desktop was fully functional in the manner you desired much of your use would be there (on the desktop), but since there is not that choice functionally at this point in time you were forced to choose the one you did.  i was merely indicating the opposite, that even if the desktop were at full functionality as i desired, i would likely still use my handheld for most of the items...continue to link on pda even if ability existed on the desktop, add "to" lists on desktop but "add"/create/work-on lists on the pda, ALL lists i create on the pda, and would still use my desktop as mostly backup.  

on the current choice list, mine would actually be a bit more than choice #2 "Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only" as i would us DT sometimes to type voluminous entries quicker.  as for what is work, the "thinking" part is the most time-consuming part of my lists, not the entry itself, i.e., what list, what type, what details, what links, etc.  

and your comments "I suppose if all you're doing..." and "most people here actually...", made me smile, as it seems you took the comments personally for which there was no such intent.  this was more a philosophical type discussion on this end, above any personal level.  would be an interesting managerial training exercise to go back over our writings and see what was said and the reactions, etc.  ; )

since your response to my response leaves me now thoroughly confused, my question to clear up my confusion is as follows...would your responses change if the desktop were fully functional at this time as you desired?  (this is where i was differentiating...not in the reality as it is currently, but as to how it would be for me even when the desktop is fully functional in the future)

thanks for the interesting discussion!

kevin
------------------------------
Enjoy life!
------------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kenclatham 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:25 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: New poll for shadow-discuss


  I have a little trouble understanding how you say you wish to disagree
  and then say *exactly* what I said was true.

  Your points:
  (1) You don't link on the desktop (all on PDA)
  (2) You use the DT to *add* lists (or add *to* them)
  (3) Small lists you create on the HH
  (4) You use the DT mostly as a backup.

  I said (see below again):
  (1) You *can't* link on the DT (hence I don't, nor can anyone)
  (2) I use DT to add data and create lists
  (3) especially large ones... (implying I create small ones on HH)
  (4) I said its unlikely (impractical) most work will be done on DT.

  Which all sums up to show we're pretty much in agreement and it is the
  the *opposite* of choice # 3

  <snip>
  >   > 
  >   >   o Mostly working in Desktop, use HH to look up data when I'm
  away
  >   from PC 
  >   >   o Mostly working in HH, using DT to print only 
  >   >   o New lists created on HH, as they grow larger, most work
  will be
  >   done on DT
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  This is #3.  You already said you create lists on the DT because of
  data entry, so that contradicts the first clause. Which is what I was
  saying.  Are you saying that *adding* data is *most* of the work?  It
  may be easier on the DT to do most of the data entry, but most of the
  *work* is done with the HH (even though it may *seem* easy...thanks
  Jeff), but most of what *I* consider work comes *after* I get
  something on the list.

  I suppose if all you're doing is creating *new* checklists for
  everything you do, maybe.  But I get the impression most people here
  actually schedule...and well that's a *snap* on the HH.  Adding items
  in the middle of a meeting, again easy on the HH, a *pain* to write
  down and transcribe to the DT.  You even say you use the DT mostly for
  backup, so how is any of that the "most work on the DT"... thus falls
  the second clause of #3...





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From: John Hatto  <jhatto@b...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 11:38am
Subject: Investigation Reports and a time field

I am keen to use Shadow for recording and analysing the evidence
surrounding industrial accidents and similar incidents (I have raised
before the question of using Shadow for Root Cause Analysis but have
found no others using Shadow for this).  

 

To record a whole series of events and data on an incident I need to
record the time each event started as well as the date.  I can not see
how to create a time of day field to do that.  I suppose there might be
a way of achieving this by linking but I want to be able to sort and
review data rapidly as well insert new information as it becomes
available. Also I may want to record time linked note about, for
example, what else was happening them, which may or may not relate to
this incident.

 

I appreciate this might have only limited appeal and I could make do
with various fudges but I assume it would be possible as an optional
field and hope Jeff might include it in his current plans.

 

Regards
John Hatto

  

 



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

On Tue, 28 May 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> Butting in, here...
> 
> I think this sounds good.  But what about an "auto-refresh" on first
> use after a hotsync?  Most of the time, that would be when new SP
> files would show up.  'Course you'd still need a manual method.

	Added to my non-scheduled list of things to build :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Tue, 28 May 2002, paulbcf wrote:

> ---This wouldn't matter as much if "New From" worked correctly--
> Personally--I'd rather auto import all new to-do items into a 
> special list and then move them from there.--

	New From will get fixed and improved. An "import all new
todo" could be done. How shoudl that work? (I'd have to dso some tricks to
make it workable, but it shoudl be doable)

> Desktop use is needed--and the crashes after new from don't make it 
> worth using the feature---

	Crashes?

> If we could just import all "new to-dos" that would be great!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for shadow-discuss

On Mon, 27 May 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

<snip>
> that is done, I say spend LOTS of time on the desktop to make in sync
> perfectly and have similar attributes to the pda.  Then we have two
> awesome programs in the end instead of two that have signs of
> greatness but did not quite take it there.  This is what we wish would
> happen with all programmers and programs.  Jeff and a couple others in
> this market set the standards for greatness, so lets support them
> fully and strive for two awesome programs!
> 
> Just some of my thoughts this evening....

	Thanks for the kind words and continued support. I'd never have
been able to do it without everyone egging meon ;)  (And you kow, I never
planned for so many good suggestions to come in.. I figured I woudl have
had lots of time to work on the desktop ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Mon, 27 May 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> by that do you mean import all new to-dos that are not linked?  i
> think that is what you mean and that would be my preference.  i'll
> have to check it out again on mine, as i don't recall it as
> problematic as suggested.  glad i'm not the programmer!  ; )

	Importing those "that are not linked" is not really
feasible. There isn't a way to know if something is linking to a ToDo item
or not (thogh if you have enabled the Append Origin, that can be a method
to do it, but since that is an option it is not dependable.. you coudl
turn it off at ay time). It is possible to build a "import everythign into
this list, since last time we did an import all new, exceptign ones wth
origin stamp". This woudl mean no New From (since that would have to cause
holes in the importing, right?)

		jeff

> kevin
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> Enjoy life!
> ------------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: paulbcf 
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:07 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: auto todo import?
> 
> 
>   --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>   >
>   > 
>   >       I'm not convinced that the amount of work is worth it. What
>   > benefits do we gain? :)
>   > 
>   >             jeff
>   > 
> 
>   ---This wouldn't matter as much if "New From" worked correctly--
>   Personally--I'd rather auto import all new to-do items into a 
>   special list and then move them from there.--
> 
>   Desktop use is needed--and the crashes after new from don't make it 
>   worth using the feature---
> 
>   If we could just import all "new to-dos" that would be great!
> 
>   Paul.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 0:20pm
Subject: Re: Investigation Reports and a time field

On Tue, 28 May 2002, John Hatto wrote:

> I am keen to use Shadow for recording and analysing the evidence
> surrounding industrial accidents and similar incidents (I have raised
> before the question of using Shadow for Root Cause Analysis but have
> found no others using Shadow for this).  
> 
> To record a whole series of events and data on an incident I need to
> record the time each event started as well as the date.  I can not see
> how to create a time of day field to do that.  I suppose there might be
> a way of achieving this by linking but I want to be able to sort and
> review data rapidly as well insert new information as it becomes
> available. Also I may want to record time linked note about, for
> example, what else was happening them, which may or may not relate to
> this incident.

	Shadow doesn't (yet) concern itself with "time of day", only the
date of the day itself. Myself, whenever I've needed to use time it weas
either for an alarm or like you, in a log. Alarms are done best via
linking. Logging?

	The Palm has a shortcut for inserting current date, or date and
time, or time. The shortcut symbol is a scrwewy one.. like a handwritten
"eye", but upside down. So its shortcut, d, t, s to get a date and time
stamp. Or shortcut, d, s to get a date stamp. I use this very
frequently.. just start an item "Accident with john, shortcut d t s" and
you've logged it in Shadow.

> I appreciate this might have only limited appeal and I could make do
> with various fudges but I assume it would be possible as an optional
> field and hope Jeff might include it in his current plans.

	Its a tough call; Shadow has a million uses.. but breaking them up
into checklists, outlines, todo lists, and project management type
lists.. none of them need time, except for alarms and logging. We care
about days "5 days for now, do this", more than "in an hour, do
this" (which is more a datebook operation).

	I think we're okay as we are now, but sometimes I consider time..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: egroy  <egroy@y...>
Date: Tue May 28, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: Re: Shadow slowdown - any ideas ?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2002, egroy wrote:
> 
> > I was a happy user of Shadow for a long while. I am using it to 
track 
> > project activities as well as for personal projects / thought 
> > outlines / etc. 
> > 
> > My first problem started a few months ago, when my work project 
file 
> > and meeting notes file had become so large (> 400 entries each), 
it 
> > would take Shadow a while to open / close them, and also trying 
to 
> > find a record on the fly had become difficult. I tried to fix 
this by 
> > breaking these two files into a bunch of interlinked smaller 
files. 
> > This seemed to fix the problem for a while, but now there's about 
2 - 
> > 3 sec delay when I try do do any sort of file operations (swit