From: David Prentice  <dprentic@m...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Week View in AN / DB[45]

What you're trying to do doesn't work (presently) in the list view mode.
List view is optimized vertically to put a long list of items on the screen
at once. Inserting seperator bars into list view would defeat the purpose of
this view for many people. I, for example, use list view with multiple
custom views to sort out only those specific appointments that appear in
certain categories. For example, I have a custom view based on list view for
"Birthdays". Inserting a seperator line for each date would cut the number
of birthdays that can be displayed by half.

Maybe CESD is working on an option for list view. I know from stuff he's
said on the pdbk list that list view is an incredibly popular mode for a lot
of people. Surely some of them would like an optional seperator line and no
date column.

However, you can get what you want already with the weekly view mode, not
list view. The weekly view button is the one with two rows of three dots
each, and itself has three different modes of "weekly view". This is
governed by the little number-box on the top bar. Weekly-1 is a one-week at
a glance mode. Weekly-2 gives you two weeks in two columns. Weekly-3 is a
three-day view mode. In all of these modes, there are seperator lines for
day/date.

Personally, I find all three of the weekly view modes to be useless unless I
am working within a custom view that is set to filter and show only a subset
of my logged/scheduled appointments. For example, I normally cull out
church-related meetings in list view with a custom view, but sometimes find
it more useful to browse them in a weekly mode. The downside of the weekly-1
and weekly-2 views for this purpose is that sunday is squeezed to minimal
space on the assumption that people want more space for weekdays. I've also
used the weekly view in a custom view in the past to display only
breakfast/lunch appointments.

David

Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

On Thu, 9 May 2002, adnohr68 wrote:

> It's not utter waste, it's essential! (For me :))  But, I like the
> idea of it being optional, maybe you should make a request to CESD
> over on the pimlicodatebk group??  Maybe I will later.  What I like
> even more is that you are giving datebk5 a try!  Can datebook
> categories be far behind???  Just try it, you'll love it, I swear!

I know I'd like it, but I don't need it (or AN for that matter). I
need only a little week view, an AN has it, and I got AN for free. But as
a developer, I'm moving from AN to DateBk to show my support for the Right
Thing. Hopefully DB5 will do it as I'd like in awhile, or I'll have to
build my own week view :)

(And to me, the date column is total waste. Given 10 items in a
row, all the same, then repeating the same date is not useful. Put one
line with the date, then list items on that date below. That is way
superior use of space, for someone like me. But if you have disparate
dated items, in random order or the like, then you need a date column.)

I'll give it a shot. I always liked the split view mode, from
years ago when he first built it :)

From: dorian2000_14613  <awriter@m...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:52pm
Subject: Shadow hangs when syncing to PC

I have used Shadow for a long time now and not had a problem.

I can't sync my Clie 710 anymore.  It hangs in Shadow and then I need 
to restart the computer to ba able to sync again, only to get to the 
same spot in Shadow and have it hang.  

When I go into palm desktop, I can't choose any hot sync item to 
trouble shoot.  This happened yesterday and I would like to find out 
what is going on.

Is it a file in Shadow that is troublesome?  Is the program at 
fault?  OR should I uninstall Shadow and reinstall?

Any insight would be helpful.

M

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 10:19pm
Subject: Re: Shadow hangs when syncing to PC

On Sat, 11 May 2002, dorian2000_14613 wrote:

> I have used Shadow for a long time now and not had a problem.
> 
> I can't sync my Clie 710 anymore.  It hangs in Shadow and then I need 
> to restart the computer to ba able to sync again, only to get to the 
> same spot in Shadow and have it hang.  
> 
> When I go into palm desktop, I can't choose any hot sync item to 
> trouble shoot.  This happened yesterday and I would like to find out 
> what is going on.
> 
> Is it a file in Shadow that is troublesome?  Is the program at 
> fault?  OR should I uninstall Shadow and reinstall?
> 
> Any insight would be helpful.

	This is a bug that can occur on rare occasions in the Shadow
conduit (part of Shadow Desktop; it cannot occur without Shadow
Desktop). I'll be fixing it in a bit, but a workaround is this:

	If it occurs (which it has for you), do a file find for
"lastsync.txt"; in the same location are your Shadow Desktop XML
files. Move them somewhere else (for handy backups). Do a fresh sync, and
they will download fresh, and all will be well.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Mary Hoover  <awriter@m...>
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:01am
Subject: Re: Shadow hangs when syncing to PC

Jeff,

Thank you very much.  It worked and things are back to normal... whatever 
that is.

Mary



>       This is a bug that can occur on rare occasions in the Shadow
>conduit (part of Shadow Desktop; it cannot occur without Shadow
>Desktop). I'll be fixing it in a bit, but a workaround is this:
>
>       If it occurs (which it has for you), do a file find for
>"lastsync.txt"; in the same location are your Shadow Desktop XML
>files. Move them somewhere else (for handy backups). Do a fresh sync, and
>they will download fresh, and all will be well.
>
>             jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: DedePol  <kmurray@m...>
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 1:33pm
Subject: Filter menu

There's quite a number of different filters available for 
simplifying the list of items in ShadowPlan. The one filter that I 
look for selects those items where the starting date is after today 
and are yet to be finished. This is simply a list of current tasks, 
but I can't seem to find it in the present list. 

While it is possible to add another filter to the list (please), it 
raises the issue of making the filter customisable so that future 
demands like this might be met. I would never use most of the 
current filters. 

Is this anywhere near the horizon at the moment?

__________________________________________________

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Fine for much of the day, but cloud increasing with a little rain 
developing towards evening. Northerly wind, fresh at times, ahead of 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: Re: Filter menu

On Sun, 12 May 2002, DedePol wrote:

> There's quite a number of different filters available for 
> simplifying the list of items in ShadowPlan. The one filter that I 
> look for selects those items where the starting date is after today 
> and are yet to be finished. This is simply a list of current tasks, 
> but I can't seem to find it in the present list. 
> 
> While it is possible to add another filter to the list (please), it 
> raises the issue of making the filter customisable so that future 
> demands like this might be met. I would never use most of the 
> current filters. 
> 
> Is this anywhere near the horizon at the moment?

	Yep; its the thing I'm working on currently. Over the top
customizable filters. Other programs pretend to have customizable filters,
but you're going to have a heart attack when you see mine ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 3:25pm
Subject: Re: Filter menu

You are so cruel...

Waiting with abated breath and palpitating heart,

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Filter menu


> On Sun, 12 May 2002, DedePol wrote:
>
> > While it is possible to add another filter to the list (please), it
> > raises the issue of making the filter customisable so that future
> > demands like this might be met. I would never use most of the
> > current filters.
> >
> > Is this anywhere near the horizon at the moment?
>
> Yep; its the thing I'm working on currently. Over the top
> customizable filters. Other programs pretend to have customizable filters,
> but you're going to have a heart attack when you see mine ;)
>
> jeff

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 6:53pm
Subject: Delete / Rename crashes

Jeff,
I too of late have been experiencing fatal errors when trying to 
rename or delete files - receiving the same message: "DataMgr.c, 
Line:8589, Index out of range"

I've followed your instructions left here and the maillist: "shadow-
discuss@j..." to no avail:

"For each list, open the 
list, open an item details, hit OK, close the list, and go onto the 
next list. Opening details, doing nothing, hitting OK and closing the 
list is enough to cause the list file to be "refreshed" (sorted into 
optimal positioning and such)." 

As for rename - though it causes a crash and a need for reset - when 
it comes back up, the file has been renamed. The main pain has been 
delete. 

I've tried this in several different ways:
1) Open list, open item detail, click OK, close list, attempt to 
delete/rename list
2)Open list, open item detail, click OK, close list,open another 
list, attempt to delete/rename 1st list
3)Open list, open item detail, click OK, close list, hot sync, 
attempt to delete/rename list.
All are unsuccessful except, during a delete, in the case of 
answering "No" to "Should all links to this file be removed?". This 
is problematic for me because I utilize quite a complex of inter-
linked lists.

For delete I've used "Z-Catalog" to remove the list. Is this still 
leaving links orphaned in the system?

From: hopscotts  <hopscotts@m...>
Date: Sun May 12, 2002 11:53pm
Subject: shadow install problems

Hi,

I am having problems installing shadow 2.2.  I have tried searching 
the archives under several keywords such as install, card, vfs and so 
forth and haven't found a quick answer.  Please direct me to a 
previous message if this has been covered before.

I am trying to install Shadow 2.2 to a visor Prism and I am using a 
Memplug with a CF card.  I have reviewed the install information 
also.  After attempting to install the handheld states "shadow prc. 
not found and I recieve the following message in the hot sync log:


# Log started 1021246523
# Conduit Build 1.1.0 Feb 18 2002 08:41:45
# Syncronization type: 0 (eFast)
# SyncMgr API version: 2.2
# Hotsync ID: Anne Hopcraft
# ERROR: Couldn't get Shadow version or regcode: 4019
#        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
# Handheld Shadow Plan version:  regcode: ????
# Registration: C:\Program Files\Palm\HopcraA\ShadowPlan160
\ShadowPlan.reg
#   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
#     Stored to windows registry.
# UNREGISTERED. Please register Shadow Plan Desktop!
# ERROR: Couldn't get character encoding: 4019
#        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
# ERROR: Shadow version on Handheld is unsupported with this conduit.
#        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
# Log finished 1021246523


Thanks for your help!

anne

From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:26am
Subject: Datebk support (devil's advocate)

After last week's action and lack of action by Iambic, would you 
consider supporting the Datebk series of software and not Action 
Names?

I know in the past you mentioned your lack of desire to support any 
customization for Datebk users because AN users would want the 
same...considering your opinion on the Iambic situation...has this 
swayed you at all?

From: DedePol  <kmurray@m...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 10:12am
Subject: Duplications

I am synchronising my ShadowPlan files across two computers. I transfer files from the palm folders from one computer to the other before doing this, in case it doesn't repeat the changes once they have been done on one computer. I find that I getting lots of duplications, which I have to delete. What way would you recommend is the best method of multiple synchronisation?

Thanks
Kevin

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From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: Re: Duplications

Until the shadow conduit can deal with multiple PCs in a more intelligent
way, I suggest you confine changes to the Handheld and to only the PC with
which Shadow last sync'ed.  Then, when you need to sync with the other PC
and transfer the changes to that PC, delete the shadp-*.xml files on the
second PC before you sync.  Effectively, you're making sure the changes are
only between the Handheld and *one* PC at a time, and overwriting the second
PC before doing any further changes on the second PC.  This is a good way to
avoid duplication.  This issue has also been addressed more than a few times
and you can get more suggestions and explanations by searching through the
archives.

Hope this helps.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "DedePol" <kmurray@m...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Duplications


> I am synchronising my ShadowPlan files across two computers. I transfer
files from the palm folders from one computer to the other before doing
this, in case it doesn't repeat the changes once they have been done on one
computer. I find that I getting lots of duplications, which I have to
delete. What way would you recommend is the best method of multiple
synchronisation?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
> __________________________________________________
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:24pm
Subject: Re: Filter menu

On Sun, 12 May 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> You are so cruel...
> 
> Waiting with abated breath and palpitating heart,

	heh.

	I'm building something like this:

	You pick to create a new filter; you then have a filter definition
screen. You can then tap to "Add rule to filter", which brings up the rule
definition screen. A rule has components like FIELD, RELATION, and LIMITS
and such. So you can say FIELD==target-date, RELATION is "IN BETWEEN" and
limitds are "May 1st" and "May 31st" for instance. 

	So a filter is made up of rules, and rules are made up of
comparisons. IF a rule has more than one comparison, they are ANDed
(though I hope to eventually support OR's and such, perhaps, and allow one
filter to refer to another filter, for nesting).

	In theory you should be able to do crazy things like:

	Target > Today
	Text contains 'Jeff'
	Checked == false

	That sort of thing.

	Onc I get the basic one out, you can deluge me with ideas.

		jeff

> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Filter menu
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 12 May 2002, DedePol wrote:
> >
> > > While it is possible to add another filter to the list (please), it
> > > raises the issue of making the filter customisable so that future
> > > demands like this might be met. I would never use most of the
> > > current filters.
> > >
> > > Is this anywhere near the horizon at the moment?
> >
> > Yep; its the thing I'm working on currently. Over the top
> > customizable filters. Other programs pretend to have customizable filters,
> > but you're going to have a heart attack when you see mine ;)
> >
> > jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Delete / Rename crashes

On Sun, 12 May 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:

> I too of late have been experiencing fatal errors when trying to 
> rename or delete files - receiving the same message: "DataMgr.c, 
> Line:8589, Index out of range"
> 
> I've followed your instructions left here and the maillist: "shadow-
> discuss@j..." to no avail:
> 
> "For each list, open the 
> list, open an item details, hit OK, close the list, and go onto the 
> next list. Opening details, doing nothing, hitting OK and closing the 
> list is enough to cause the list file to be "refreshed" (sorted into 
> optimal positioning and such)." 

	You've done all lists? Opened, Details, OK, close, next
list"? That has fixed up everyone in the past..

	I will be investigating the root cause of this, but time is short.

> As for rename - though it causes a crash and a need for reset - when 
> it comes back up, the file has been renamed. The main pain has been 
> delete. 

	The crash shoudl have no significant side effects.. its just
annoying. You can use Z'Catalog or Filez or the like if you need to.

	The deal is.. doing the delete/rename outside of shadow will break
"file link" integrity.

	There could have been other effects in the past, but I think I
took care of them in other ways to cover you. Even file link integrity is
no biggy.. it just means you'd have broken links, if you had a file link
to the now missing/renamed file.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Re: shadow install problems

On Sun, 12 May 2002, hopscotts wrote:

> I am having problems installing shadow 2.2.  I have tried searching 
> the archives under several keywords such as install, card, vfs and so 
> forth and haven't found a quick answer.  Please direct me to a 
> previous message if this has been covered before.
> 
> I am trying to install Shadow 2.2 to a visor Prism and I am using a 
> Memplug with a CF card.  I have reviewed the install information 
> also.  After attempting to install the handheld states "shadow prc. 
> not found and I recieve the following message in the hot sync log:

	Shadow Desktop currently needs to talk to the handheld
application, in order to sync. Memplug prevents the application from being
accessible during hotsync (the VFS layer, iuf your curious), so Shadow
must be in main memory for Shadow Desktop to sync. I may be building a
workaround in the future.

		jeff

> 
> 
> # Log started 1021246523
> # Conduit Build 1.1.0 Feb 18 2002 08:41:45
> # Syncronization type: 0 (eFast)
> # SyncMgr API version: 2.2
> # Hotsync ID: Anne Hopcraft
> # ERROR: Couldn't get Shadow version or regcode: 4019
> #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> # Handheld Shadow Plan version:  regcode: ????
> # Registration: C:\Program Files\Palm\HopcraA\ShadowPlan160
> \ShadowPlan.reg
> #   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
> #     Stored to windows registry.
> # UNREGISTERED. Please register Shadow Plan Desktop!
> # ERROR: Couldn't get character encoding: 4019
> #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> # ERROR: Shadow version on Handheld is unsupported with this conduit.
> #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> # Log finished 1021246523
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> anne
> 
> 
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Datebk support (devil's advocate)

On Mon, 13 May 2002, llgriffll wrote:

> After last week's action and lack of action by Iambic, would you 
> consider supporting the Datebk series of software and not Action 
> Names?

	Probably not. I myself take the moral high ground.. I am switching
to DateBk. However, I'm trying to leave the moral to the customer -- I
don't and never have supported Action Names specifically, just as I have
not supported DateBk specifically. I support the standards of Palm OS,
which gets me into both of them, and I'm willing to make special
excep[tions to maintain compatibility. I've always been more compatible
with DateBk, due to CESD's open nature and open sharing of info (he's a
lot like me, I think). However, as a business, its not up to me to force
my beliefs onto other people. They can chose the moral high ground, and I
won't do it for them.

	Realistically, I also have to make some money to stay afloat; for
example, we don't have the full story, but it woudl seem Handango wholly
screwed PalmGear for a year of lawsuits without any real foundation. PG
won in the end, after amssive legal costs and such. Should I be selling
through Handango?

	One could argue I shoudl not, to be on the higher moral ground.
But Handango has the Palm Inc contract, and has grown to about 30% of the
sales of PG as a result. Turning away Handango sales would cost me
probably 20-35% of my sales, which would in fact probably put me out of
business.

	So instead, I let the user make the choice. This is good for a
responsible society. 

	If you want to get philosophical, then no, you cannot let the user
make the choice all times, since they may not be informed of the
issues; consider our western companies selling technology to eastern
countries who will abuse their cicitzens with it. Is that right or wrong?

	But I still want to stay afloat ;) (And PalmGear is many many
months behind on payments, so I need to do it any way I can ;)

> I know in the past you mentioned your lack of desire to support any
> customization for Datebk users because AN users would want the
> same...considering your opinion on the Iambic situation...has this
> swayed you at all?

	I support the Palm OS standards; where necessary, I make some
little tricks to ensure compatility. I've so far not done that for AN
because they dont' publish any info.. except for one case, because someone
leaked some info to me anyway. DateBk always gets a little preferential
treatment, because hes good to the community.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Duplications

On Mon, 13 May 2002, DedePol wrote:

> I am synchronising my ShadowPlan files across two computers. I
> transfer files from the palm folders from one computer to the other
> before doing this, in case it doesn't repeat the changes once they
> have been done on one computer. I find that I getting lots of
> duplications, which I have to delete. What way would you recommend is
> the best method of multiple synchronisation?

	Copying the files over is sort of an evil thing to do ;) The
hotsync technology allows for multiple computers, so in general shoudl
work pretty well. Shadow is a little more complex than most of your other
palm apps, soit can get confused during multi-machine sync. The
duplication occurs because Shadow is trying to save oyu from losing data
during periods of uncertainty (where two items look the same, but are ever
so slightly different, so both are kept). In the future, I will be making
it a smarter system, and allowin goyu to overide by saying "handheld is
source of truth" or the like.

	For now, its tough. You can remove the Shadow Plan XML files from
ShadowPlan160 before you sync, and then the files will be downloaded fresh
each time. That shoudl pretty much eliminate it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: dal1mdm  <solafide20@h...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 2:31pm
Subject: "New From" Etc

This is a great feature! However, could it be changed so that I could 
pick from particular categories (unfiled etc) so that I dont have to 
scroll down through the whole list? I have about 160 or so todos.

Also, my one gripe about Shadowplan is that it restricts my freedom 
on whether I enter data on the palm or the palm desktop (NT and my 
employer wont let me install the shadow desktop). Any tips on this?

MDM

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:21pm
Subject: Re: "New From" Etc

On Mon, 13 May 2002, dal1mdm wrote:

> This is a great feature! However, could it be changed so that I could 
> pick from particular categories (unfiled etc) so that I dont have to 
> scroll down through the whole list? I have about 160 or so todos.

	Todo categories will definitely be supported soon (I forget if
I've got them in my current devo version or not, but I plan on doing them
soon).

> Also, my one gripe about Shadowplan is that it restricts my freedom on
> whether I enter data on the palm or the palm desktop (NT and my
> employer wont let me install the shadow desktop). Any tips on this?

	Thats not a gripe with Shadow, thats a gripe with your employer
;) If you can't mass enter with Shadow desktop, then you must mass enter
via the memo import, or new from.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <DMD1272@H...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:48pm
Subject: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

The message reads:
> Fatal Alert
> DataMgr.c,Line: 9573, Index out of range
> 
> 
> anybody knows what's up with this: 
> 
> I have Shadow launching from within dbk5 and its fine as go thru 
> Shadow and then let's say I'm done doing whatever in shadow and as 
> soon as I hit the home key on the screen, this is the error I get.
> 
> Any ideas...
> 
> I was running Yesterday and it did not give me any problems until I 
installed SP and then Yesterday started doing the same thing but I 
purchased  SP based on all the positive reviews and trying it myself, 
its amazing but I having this little problem, I posted the msg on the 
DBK5 yahoo group but people are telling me the problem lies with SP 
instead.. 
> 
> 
> thanks

george

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

On Mon, 13 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> The message reads:
> > Fatal Alert
> > DataMgr.c,Line: 9573, Index out of range
> > 
> > 
> > anybody knows what's up with this: 
> > 
> > I have Shadow launching from within dbk5 and its fine as go thru 
> > Shadow and then let's say I'm done doing whatever in shadow and as 
> > soon as I hit the home key on the screen, this is the error I get.
> > 
> > Any ideas...
> > 
> > I was running Yesterday and it did not give me any problems until I 
> installed SP and then Yesterday started doing the same thing but I 
> purchased  SP based on all the positive reviews and trying it myself, 
> its amazing but I having this little problem, I posted the msg on the 
> DBK5 yahoo group but people are telling me the problem lies with SP 
> instead.. 

	How are you launching it? (tell me how to do it, and I'll try it
myself; I dont' much use DB5 yet, so I dunno how to set it up)

	In DB4, the launcher wasd for purposes of creating a new item in
datebook or memo or something, and it made no sense to Shadow, so wouldn't
work. (ie: DB4's interface to launching was tied to a specific purpose and
wouldn't work unless apps were specifically coded to care, and in Shadows
case it just was not approprioate)

	If this is a general launch, it should work. If it doesn't work,
its probably DateBk's problem.. Shadow follows all the standards.

	However,m having a problem when trying to leave Shadow.. thats
pretty weird. I'd like to follow that up..

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <DMD1272@H...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 4:57pm
Subject: Reply for Jeff Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

Thanks for your prompt response Jeff, basically on DBK5 View     
display  option  there is an option called Creator Id., using Mcphile 
or filez, I got Coog as the creator id, fine and then one can launch 
any program withing DBK5 using the NEW key on the main view, hit 
launch and boom the program is suppose to open and let you do 
whatever you want which is great, so I go there and launch Shadow 
from DBK5 and its fine I can edit anything on Shadow and when I done 
I usually hit the home key to exit and that's when I get the 
message....its very odd before I was launching "yesterday" and it was 
fine and then I purchased Shadow and did the aforementioned and every 
since then, I get the message.... 

I'm using a Sony Clie N610C, palm os 4, 
Active Hacks:

Afterburner
Font hacks
symbol hack
Linker
Grasspeedy

Launchers: Mega Launcher

thanks Jeff, any ideas

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:
> 
> > The message reads:
> > > Fatal Alert
> > > DataMgr.c,Line: 9573, Index out of range
> > > 
> > > 
> > > anybody knows what's up with this: 
> > > 
> > > I have Shadow launching from within dbk5 and its fine as go 
thru 
> > > Shadow and then let's say I'm done doing whatever in shadow and 
as 
> > > soon as I hit the home key on the screen, this is the error I 
get.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas...
> > > 
> > > I was running Yesterday and it did not give me any problems 
until I 
> > installed SP and then Yesterday started doing the same thing but 
I 
> > purchased  SP based on all the positive reviews and trying it 
myself, 
> > its amazing but I having this little problem, I posted the msg on 
the 
> > DBK5 yahoo group but people are telling me the problem lies with 
SP 
> > instead.. 
> 
> 	How are you launching it? (tell me how to do it, and I'll try 
it
> myself; I dont' much use DB5 yet, so I dunno how to set it up)
> 
> 	In DB4, the launcher wasd for purposes of creating a new item 
in
> datebook or memo or something, and it made no sense to Shadow, so 
wouldn't
> work. (ie: DB4's interface to launching was tied to a specific 
purpose and
> wouldn't work unless apps were specifically coded to care, and in 
Shadows
> case it just was not approprioate)
> 
> 	If this is a general launch, it should work. If it doesn't 
work,
> its probably DateBk's problem.. Shadow follows all the standards.
> 
> 	However,m having a problem when trying to leave Shadow.. thats
> pretty weird. I'd like to follow that up..
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

The launch app feature in DateBk5 is used to launch third-party datebook
database aware applications.  It launches the third-party app and passes it
the current record number.  While shadow does interact with the Palm
datebook database, it is not a datebook replacement.  If you search through
the DateBk5 manual for the keyword "launch" you will clearly see it is
recommended to be used only with apps specifically designed to use this
feature.  Shadow interacts with the default datebook database but is not
DateBk5 aware.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "jledesma28" <DMD1272@H...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP
creator id: Coog


> The message reads:
> > Fatal Alert
> > DataMgr.c,Line: 9573, Index out of range
> >
> >
> > anybody knows what's up with this:
> >
> > I have Shadow launching from within dbk5 and its fine as go thru
> > Shadow and then let's say I'm done doing whatever in shadow and as
> > soon as I hit the home key on the screen, this is the error I get.
> >
> > Any ideas...
> >
> > I was running Yesterday and it did not give me any problems until I
> installed SP and then Yesterday started doing the same thing but I
> purchased  SP based on all the positive reviews and trying it myself,
> its amazing but I having this little problem, I posted the msg on the
> DBK5 yahoo group but people are telling me the problem lies with SP
> instead..
> >
> >
> > thanks
>
> george
>
>
>
>
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From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 5:52pm
Subject: Re: Reply for Jeff Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

Hope my reply to your previous post cleared this up.  When you use a feature
in an unintended way, there's no guarantee everything will work fine.

By the way, there are other ways for you to switch between DateBk5 and
Shadow Plan.  McPhling will let you switch to the last application used with
one stroke, or go to any designated favorite app with a stroke and tap.  If
you have linked appointments or ToDos from Shadow, you can jump to those
appointments or ToDos and back to Shadow by enabling the option "Return to
Shadow after goto" under 'Link Preferences'.  Once enabled, hitting the home
silkscreen button after going to a link will bring you back to Shadow.

Both Shadow and DateBk5 are remarkably stable applications, given their
complexity.  I have the same hardware setup as yours and they, along with
HandyShopper, are my most used apps.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "jledesma28" <DMD1272@H...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:57 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Reply for Jeff Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from
DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog


> Thanks for your prompt response Jeff, basically on DBK5 View
> display  option  there is an option called Creator Id., using Mcphile
> or filez, I got Coog as the creator id, fine and then one can launch
> any program withing DBK5 using the NEW key on the main view, hit
> launch and boom the program is suppose to open and let you do
> whatever you want which is great, so I go there and launch Shadow
> from DBK5 and its fine I can edit anything on Shadow and when I done
> I usually hit the home key to exit and that's when I get the
> message....its very odd before I was launching "yesterday" and it was
> fine and then I purchased Shadow and did the aforementioned and every
> since then, I get the message....
>
> I'm using a Sony Clie N610C, palm os 4,
> Active Hacks:
>
> Afterburner
> Font hacks
> symbol hack
> Linker
> Grasspeedy
>
> Launchers: Mega Launcher
>
> thanks Jeff, any ideas
>

From: jledesma28  <DMD1272@H...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Reply for Jeff Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

thanks guys....I figured it was something like that another 
interesting thing is that as soon I hit dbk5 launch, it tells me:

Bad Load!
the list could not be loaded!

I'm guessing that warning relates to your response... and thanks for 
those tips, yeah that's my goal to be able to switch back and forth 
between these two apps.


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Russ & Ling" <rnlnero@y...> wrote:
> Hope my reply to your previous post cleared this up.  When you use 
a feature
> in an unintended way, there's no guarantee everything will work 
fine.
> 
> By the way, there are other ways for you to switch between DateBk5 
and
> Shadow Plan.  McPhling will let you switch to the last application 
used with
> one stroke, or go to any designated favorite app with a stroke and 
tap.  If
> you have linked appointments or ToDos from Shadow, you can jump to 
those
> appointments or ToDos and back to Shadow by enabling the 
option "Return to
> Shadow after goto" under 'Link Preferences'.  Once enabled, hitting 
the home
> silkscreen button after going to a link will bring you back to 
Shadow.
> 
> Both Shadow and DateBk5 are remarkably stable applications, given 
their
> complexity.  I have the same hardware setup as yours and they, 
along with
> HandyShopper, are my most used apps.
> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jledesma28" <DMD1272@H...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@y...>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:57 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Reply for Jeff Re: Fatal Alert launching 
SP from
> DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog
> 
> 
> > Thanks for your prompt response Jeff, basically on DBK5 View
> > display  option  there is an option called Creator Id., using 
Mcphile
> > or filez, I got Coog as the creator id, fine and then one can 
launch
> > any program withing DBK5 using the NEW key on the main view, hit
> > launch and boom the program is suppose to open and let you do
> > whatever you want which is great, so I go there and launch Shadow
> > from DBK5 and its fine I can edit anything on Shadow and when I 
done
> > I usually hit the home key to exit and that's when I get the
> > message....its very odd before I was launching "yesterday" and it 
was
> > fine and then I purchased Shadow and did the aforementioned and 
every
> > since then, I get the message....
> >
> > I'm using a Sony Clie N610C, palm os 4,
> > Active Hacks:
> >
> > Afterburner
> > Font hacks
> > symbol hack
> > Linker
> > Grasspeedy
> >
> > Launchers: Mega Launcher
> >
> > thanks Jeff, any ideas
> >

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 9:14pm
Subject: Re: Reply for Jeff Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 using SP creator id: Coog

On Mon, 13 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Thanks for your prompt response Jeff, basically on DBK5 View display
> option there is an option called Creator Id., using Mcphile or filez,
> I got Coog as the creator id, fine and then one can launch any program
> withing DBK5 using the NEW key on the main view, hit launch and boom
> the program is suppose to open and let you do whatever you want which
> is great, so I go there and launch Shadow from DBK5 and its fine I can
> edit anything on Shadow and when I done I usually hit the home key to
> exit and that's when I get the message....its very odd before I was
> launching "yesterday" and it was fine and then I purchased Shadow and
> did the aforementioned and every since then, I get the message....

	The "New" button actually sends "stuff" to the launching program;
it is intended to let you create new items in the datebook or todo
database, I believe. So it is not supposed to just work with "any"
program. Instead, you use Hacks and DA's for launching of apps from within
other programs, usually. ie: When you do this, you get a number of "Bad
Load" messages, right, as Shadow is trying to deal with the various
"nonsense" requests it is receiving. You should likely be looking at Hacks
(which are free for this sort of thing)..

		jeff


--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: pfieldho_99  <pfieldho_99@y...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 1:46am
Subject: Re: Delete / Rename crashes

OK Jeff.
I finally heard what you were saying, as a one time solution: Open 
EACH and EVERY list [whether a problem list (rename or delete) or not]
and go through the drill: Open the list, open an item details, hit 
OK, close the list, go on to the next list.

Ive just done that and tried a rename and a delete (of a duplicated 
list, of course) and I'm now back to my previous status as a 100% 
happy Shadow Plan user.

I was off on my own track thinking (there I go thinking again!)that 
this was going to be an ongoing need to deal with just the specific 
lists I was trying to rename or delete, so I was performing your 
prescribed actions only on my problem lists...and of course it wasn't 
working!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 May 2002, pfieldho_99 wrote:
> 
> > I too of late have been experiencing fatal errors when trying to 
> > rename or delete files - receiving the same message: "DataMgr.c, 
> > Line:8589, Index out of range"
> > 
> > I've followed your instructions left here and the 
maillist: "shadow-
> > discuss@j..." to no avail:
> > 
> > "For each list, open the 
> > list, open an item details, hit OK, close the list, and go onto 
the 
> > next list. Opening details, doing nothing, hitting OK and closing 
the 
> > list is enough to cause the list file to be "refreshed" (sorted 
into 
> > optimal positioning and such)." 
> 
> 	You've done all lists? Opened, Details, OK, close, next
> list"? That has fixed up everyone in the past..
> 
> 	I will be investigating the root cause of this, but time is 
short.
> 
> > As for rename - though it causes a crash and a need for reset - 
when 
> > it comes back up, the file has been renamed. The main pain has 
been 
> > delete. 
> 
> 	The crash shoudl have no significant side effects.. its just
> annoying. You can use Z'Catalog or Filez or the like if you need to.
> 
> 	The deal is.. doing the delete/rename outside of shadow will 
break
> "file link" integrity.
> 
> 	There could have been other effects in the past, but I think I
> took care of them in other ways to cover you. Even file link 
integrity is
> no biggy.. it just means you'd have broken links, if you had a file 
link
> to the now missing/renamed file.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 2:32am
Subject: New From still giving me problems

Helllllp!

As it happens, I don't use "New From..." much since everything I track
with SP, I create from SP.  However, something seems to have happened
to all my links.  I sync'd the other day at work (waiting on
improvements to sync at home again), diddled with some ToDos, realized
I had messed several up and instead of fixing one by one, I sync'd
again w/ "Desktop Overwrites handheld".  This repaired my ToDos (to 10
minutes earlier), but now *all* my SP ToDo links are dead.

Question 1:
At the risk of sounding like a rank beginner.  To your knowledge, does
"Desktop overwrites handheld" always renumber the records?  Or did
something else go wrong here?  (Chapura conduits, OS 3.5.2)

Question 2:
Have there been other reports, besides mine, of lack of data regarding
"New From..."?

Every time I go to New From it lists *nothing*.  So I went and
examined my ToDos through the buitlin, everything looks fine.  Changed
sort back to default (Priority, Due Date) and now SP New From only
sees repeats.  Can see completed items just fine, all of them.

Changed the sort back (Due Date, Priority), and no undone items show,
not even repeats, and only some completed items.

Incidentally, I get *no* records from appointment book, repeats or
otherwise.  This passes "dbScan" ok, so I'm at a loss to explain
this...

Tried all the "usual" suspects, hacks off, warm boot, not starting
DBK5 (but this is production now)... even deleted SP appl and
reinstalled. Exactly the same results.

Any help (from anyone) would be appreciated here.  Between these two
problems, this is getting to be a *pain* to repair.

Ken

Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, SP HH 2.2.1

From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 5:15am
Subject: Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 (wacky idea)

Hmmm...how about these for wacky a idea:

Have a Shadow recognize that it is being launched by datebk, and 
open a new record in a file specified in a global preference...might 
require a stub, perhaps with COOH for the app id. Would be awesome 
to be able to define the record type etc. Would be a quick way to 
get appointments into Shadow and DB at the same time.



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	The "New" button actually sends "stuff" to the launching 
program;
> it is intended to let you create new items in the datebook or todo
> database, I believe. So it is not supposed to just work with "any"
> program. Instead, you use Hacks and DA's for launching of apps 
from within
> other programs, usually. ie: When you do this, you get a number 
of "Bad
> Load" messages, right, as Shadow is trying to deal with the various
> "nonsense" requests it is receiving. You should likely be looking 
at Hacks
> (which are free for this sort of thing)..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 0:28pm
Subject: Shadow indirect printing

For your info..

	I picked up a stowaway keyboard my Clie, and it came with Printboy
Documents. Now, I just don't get printing for PDA's, since I'd rather
print from a desktop/laptop anyday, but okay-fine. Printboy is a lot of
work to make, but seems pricey.. really, to be useful, you have to buy the
expensive deluxe version. But anyway.. Printboy Documents can print DOC
files (so you can print all those ebooks out :P But you can print out
Quick Office docs, Wordsmith docs, etc).

	You can sldo print Shadow files -- export to DOC, print the DOC
file, delete it when you're done.

	It works.. I just did it.

	So you can indirectly print Shadow documents to IR printers, or
direct serial printers from the palm.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mvesty  <mvesty@y...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 1:21pm
Subject: Bug: Clearing clip with todo link

(Was a couple of bugs)

Here's how to reliably reproduce the problem:

1) create a new list or open an existing list and create an item.
Parent

2) add a couple of items and link them to the TO-DO database. I set 
these items to custom, checkbox, todo link:
parent
__o todo1   [t]
__o todo1   [t]

3) check the items you created above:
parent
__x todo1   [t]
__x todo1   [t]

4) Set the clipboard to set hold many.

5) Pick from the edit menu: Cut & uncheck all checked:
parent

6) create a new item:
parent
new parent

7) paste as child the clip to the new parent:
parent
new parent
__o todo1   [t]
__o todo1   [t]

8) Clear the clip!!!.

9) Exit the list...bang... null memory pointer.

From: Anne Hopcraft  <hopscotts@m...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:49pm
Subject: Re: shadow install problems

Jeff

thank you for the speedy reply! I will move to the main handheld memory 
& try to install again.

Anne

Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] shadow install problems
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 May 2002, hopscotts wrote:
> 
> > I am having problems installing shadow 2.2.  I have tried searching
> > the archives under several keywords such as install, card, vfs and so
> > forth and haven't found a quick answer.  Please direct me to a
> > previous message if this has been covered before.
> >
> > I am trying to install Shadow 2.2 to a visor Prism and I am using a
> > Memplug with a CF card.  I have reviewed the install information
> > also.  After attempting to install the handheld states "shadow prc.
> > not found and I recieve the following message in the hot sync log:
> 
>       Shadow Desktop currently needs to talk to the handheld
> application, in order to sync. Memplug prevents the application from being
> accessible during hotsync (the VFS layer, iuf your curious), so Shadow
> must be in main memory for Shadow Desktop to sync. I may be building a
> workaround in the future.
> 
>             jeff
>

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 1:59pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Alert launching SP from DBK5 (wacky idea) Keith

Keith that would be awesome 

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "llgriffll" <keith@t...> wrote:
> Hmmm...how about these for wacky a idea:
> 
> Have a Shadow recognize that it is being launched by datebk, and 
> open a new record in a file specified in a global 
preference...might 
> require a stub, perhaps with COOH for the app id. Would be awesome 
> to be able to define the record type etc. Would be a quick way to 
> get appointments into Shadow and DB at the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> > 	The "New" button actually sends "stuff" to the launching 
> program;
> > it is intended to let you create new items in the datebook or todo
> > database, I believe. So it is not supposed to just work with "any"
> > program. Instead, you use Hacks and DA's for launching of apps 
> from within
> > other programs, usually. ie: When you do this, you get a number 
> of "Bad
> > Load" messages, right, as Shadow is trying to deal with the 
various
> > "nonsense" requests it is receiving. You should likely be looking 
> at Hacks
> > (which are free for this sort of thing)..
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 7:20pm
Subject: Re: New From still giving me problems

On Tue, 14 May 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> As it happens, I don't use "New From..." much since everything I track
> with SP, I create from SP.  However, something seems to have happened
> to all my links.  I sync'd the other day at work (waiting on
> improvements to sync at home again), diddled with some ToDos, realized
> I had messed several up and instead of fixing one by one, I sync'd
> again w/ "Desktop Overwrites handheld".  This repaired my ToDos (to 10
> minutes earlier), but now *all* my SP ToDo links are dead.

	Eeep.

> Question 1:
> At the risk of sounding like a rank beginner.  To your knowledge, does
> "Desktop overwrites handheld" always renumber the records?  Or did
> something else go wrong here?  (Chapura conduits, OS 3.5.2)

	I'm not sure; one could assume theres two sensible main ways they
coudl've implement it: 1) Clobber palm database, uploading all new from
desktop, or 2) Clobber record by record.. if different, clobber.

	If they did (2), it should've worked. Sounds like they did
(1). (For the record, Shadow never clobbers.. it always tries to "make it
work").

> Question 2:
> Have there been other reports, besides mine, of lack of data regarding
> "New From..."?

	Yep; plenty. New From has some holes that show up for some
people. Likely related to repeat dates and/or protected data. I'll be
fixing it in a bit.

> Every time I go to New From it lists *nothing*.  So I went and
> examined my ToDos through the buitlin, everything looks fine.  
> Changed sort back to default (Priority, Due Date) and now SP New From
> only sees repeats.  Can see completed items just fine, all of them.

	I can't say. IT seems different for various people.. its
definitely odd. I'll look into it in awhile, when I deal with some other
things.

> Changed the sort back (Due Date, Priority), and no undone items show,
> not even repeats, and only some completed items.

	Yeha, that makes sense. I think New Form is just getting confused
(by repeats) about how many items are int he todo database. So base don
your sort order, it finds different things.. its probably only seeing the
first half of the database or something.

	Most people have no issues with New From; those that do, its very
annoying. I'll fix. Its definitely weird.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: lyaaran  <lyaaran@y...>
Date: Tue May 14, 2002 11:22pm
Subject: New software to backup Palm data.

I found a cool program on PalmGear.com

It's called Palm Desktop Utilities.  It has features to backup, 
copy, and restore your Palm Desktop data.  It even has a themes 
editor so you can customize your Palm Desktop colors.

The software homepage is at: http://www.palmosworld.com/downloads/pdu

From: dal1mdm  <solafide20@h...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: 2 Issues

I use SP for all projects and the palm todo program for "next 
actions".  I like being able to jump into either the desktop or my 
Clie to enter stuff.  But I have the NT/employer issue with 
installing SP desktop.  Often when planning projects I need to make a 
note to call a client about "X"  In fact, I may need to call three 
clients about "X".  When I link these to todo's I put them in a 
category called "@phone" and when I'm by the phone and bring up the 
list I'll have three tasks that say, "call about X".  To which my 
mind responds "Call who?"  I'm a recent convert from progect to SP, 
and Laurent had figured out a way to carry parent status to the 
todos - very helpful.  Can SP do that?

Second, is there a way to make use of the phone lookup feature in 
Shadow?  I want to have those phone numbers attached, so that when I 
open the @phone cateogory I'm ready to start calling.

Thank you!
MDM

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 1:56pm
Subject: Re: 2 Issues

On Wed, 15 May 2002, dal1mdm wrote:

> I use SP for all projects and the palm todo program for "next
> actions".  I like being able to jump into either the desktop or my
> Clie to enter stuff.  But I have the NT/employer issue with installing
> SP desktop.  Often when planning projects I need to make a note to
> call a client about "X"  In fact, I may need to call three clients
> about "X".  When I link these to todo's I put them in a category
> called "@phone" and when I'm by the phone and bring up the list I'll
> have three tasks that say, "call about X".  To which my mind responds
> "Call who?"  I'm a recent convert from progect to SP, and Laurent had
> figured out a way to carry parent status to the todos - very helpful.  
> Can SP do that?

	"parent status to todos". What do you mean? You can enable the
preference "append origin to todos" which will cause the hierarchy above
an item to be appended to the todo links notes, so that you can be in ToDo
and see how an item exists in the list it came from.

> Second, is there a way to make use of the phone lookup feature in
> Shadow?  I want to have those phone numbers attached, so that when I
> open the @phone cateogory I'm ready to start calling.

	There were some odd Palm OS bugs that showed when I added it, so I
blocked it temporarily. I'll try and bring it back into a later update for
you. There are likely some Hacks you could use, perhaps, in the mean time.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 2:38pm
Subject: SHADOW AND DBK5/4

Hi, does anybody use these two programs actively to handle all appt 
and todo's...I'd like to know what some other people are doing with 
these two progams, examples of usage.

thanks in advance..

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 3:25pm
Subject: Re: SHADOW AND DBK5/4

I am trying a new approach (for me at least) in that I have
set up Shadows for all of my staff, and major areas of my life
both personal and professional (i.e. home, key meetings at work, etc.).
I then use MegaWiki to set up links to these lists and have floating
appointments in datebk to remind me to check each list at the
appropriate time. That keeps the lists from cluttering my hard
landscape, gives me more power than the todo's and hopefully
leads to a rich life filled with wine, women and song <grin>.

Gary

Quoting jledesma28 (jledesma28@y...):
> Hi, does anybody use these two programs actively to handle all appt 
> and todo's...I'd like to know what some other people are doing with 
> these two progams, examples of usage.
> 
> thanks in advance..
> 
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From: jledesma28  <jledesma28@y...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 4:57pm
Subject: Thanks Learned= Support Question for Jeff

I understand that the highlight feature changes the colors for a 
multitude of things, ok fine, the question, can you change the 
background color as well like DBK5, bec. when you're on hi-res 
option, the color of the item is a light purple...

I guess its future request if can't presently be done.

thanks again, this is an amazing program by far one of the most 
innovative and user friendly, kudos for Jeff

From: w_higgs58  <bhiggs@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 5:30pm
Subject: Any news on Handera?

just curious how the Handera support is coming along....

Bill

From: geowyner  <gwyner@b...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Hotsync crash...

The problem:  hotsync was crashing during shadow synchronization.

I disabled syncing for some of my files and the problem has gone away.

I examined the lastsync.txt log for Shadow and identified the file 
which was causing the crash.

I deleted the file from the desktop was able to sync properly.

While I have resolved the problem for now, I am wondering what might 
have caused this?  Corrupt data?   A bug in the sync or not enough 
memory?  Is this a known problem?

thanks...

George

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: Re: SHADOW AND DBK5/4

On Wed, 15 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> Hi, does anybody use these two programs actively to handle all appt 
> and todo's...I'd like to know what some other people are doing with 
> these two progams, examples of usage.
> 
> thanks in advance..

	A *lot* of people use these together :) You may want to take a
read in shadow-tips forum to see some good ideas and recipes, or check
back in the archives here.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:14pm
Subject: Re: Thanks Learned= Support Question for Jeff

On Wed, 15 May 2002, jledesma28 wrote:

> I understand that the highlight feature changes the colors for a 
> multitude of things, ok fine, the question, can you change the 
> background color as well like DBK5, bec. when you're on hi-res 
> option, the color of the item is a light purple...

	I will eventually be adding some options to change various colour
theme preferences (selection bar colour, background 1 and 2 colour,
forground text defaults, etc). We'll see when we get there :)

> I guess its future request if can't presently be done.

	Yep. You can change bold and foreground text colour on a per item
basis, but not yet background colours or the like. You can disable the
ledger colour background in List Preferences.

> thanks again, this is an amazing program by far one of the most
> innovative and user friendly, kudos for Jeff

	Thanks :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Any news on Handera?

On Wed, 15 May 2002, w_higgs58 wrote:

> just curious how the Handera support is coming along....

	3.5 weeks ago I took a 2 week vacation. I spend the last 10 days
dealing with the 2300 support emails I've received in the last 3 weeks :)

	I've updated the dev plan on the site, but its not set in
stone. So much to do, so little time :/

	If only there was a good way to set up a vote system for all of
this, so I coudl get 1000 peoples input on importance, quickly ;) (But
that wouldnt' work either, since no one but me as any idea how much work
or fun thigs are to build ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: Re: Hotsync crash...

On Wed, 15 May 2002, geowyner wrote:

> The problem:  hotsync was crashing during shadow synchronization.
> 
> I disabled syncing for some of my files and the problem has gone away.
> 
> I examined the lastsync.txt log for Shadow and identified the file 
> which was causing the crash.
> 
> I deleted the file from the desktop was able to sync properly.
> 
> While I have resolved the problem for now, I am wondering what might 
> have caused this?  Corrupt data?   A bug in the sync or not enough 
> memory?  Is this a known problem?

	You deleted off the handheld? Asked the desktop to upload its copy
to recreate it?

	In general, you don't have to delete the file (off the handheld)
to fix the problem. You virtually never ever have to lose any data, so be
sure to ask me before doin anything drastic next time :)

	Theres 3 known (and pretty rare) issues in the conduit; however,
if you have a power failure or machien crash at the worst time during
hotsync, bad things can happen.

	When I get back to the desktop and conduit soon, I'll be making
things sync faster and be more robust (so ecven if things crash, or you
have a power failure, or everythign gets wonky, the data will come through
okay).

	I'd need to more about your issue before I could pinpoiint it, but
it was probably your desktop crashign at the worst time, or a bug in the
Shadow conduit. The handheld application is pretty darned stable, and has
virtually no ways to screw up files or data in it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: geowyner  <gwyner@b...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: What happens if you hotsync with Shadow Desktop open

I want to check if my intuitions about the interaction between 
hotsync and shadow desktop are correct.  Which of the following 
statements is actually true?

1.  It is ok to sync with Shadow desktop open.  

2.  It is not a good idea to try to start Shadow desktop during a 
hotsync.

3.  It is also not a good idea to try to exit from Shadow desktop 
during a hotsync.

Finally, a more open ended question:

What happens if you are editing a shadow .xml file in shadow desktop 
during the hotsync?  Is that file synchronized?  If so, if you save 
the open file does that overwrite changes made during the 
synchronization?

Thanks!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 15, 2002 7:32pm
Subject: Re: What happens if you hotsync with Shadow Desktop open

On Wed, 15 May 2002, geowyner wrote:

> I want to check if my intuitions about the interaction between 
> hotsync and shadow desktop are correct.  Which of the following 
> statements is actually true?
> 
> 1.  It is ok to sync with Shadow desktop open.  

	True; It actually doesn't matter if Shadow Deskto is open.. it
matters *which files* Shadow Desktop has open. If you're sneaky, you'll
have noticed that when you open a Shadow Desktop XML file, a lock file
gets created beside the real file. The conduit checks for this lock file
and skips syncing the matching file if it is present.

> 2.  It is not a good idea to try to start Shadow desktop during a 
> hotsync.

	See (1).

> 3.  It is also not a good idea to try to exit from Shadow desktop 
> during a hotsync.

	See (1).

> Finally, a more open ended question:
> 
> What happens if you are editing a shadow .xml file in shadow desktop
> during the hotsync?  Is that file synchronized?  If so, if you save
> the open file does that overwrite changes made during the
> synchronization?

	See (1).

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 1:16am
Subject: Link Manager Address link causes Diddlebug to open!

I've been wanting to add the ability to have sketches in 
Shadow so when MegaWiki came along it seemed like the answer.  
It seemed to work fine except recently I've found a strange 
proplem.  When I do Link Add Address the link seems to be 
added ok, however when I try to GoTo the link, Diddlebug opens 
up! It does this whether I select Goto from the LinkManager screen or 
the pop-up box in the main view.
Now the really strange thing is this occurs EVEN WHEN I HAVE ALL HACKS 
(including MegaWiki) DISABLED!  However Memopad links work just fine.
Trying other address book links sometimes just causes the screen to 
blank momentarily, while on other links it blanks then comes up with 
the "Please Register" screen - as if SP is being exited then 
restarted!

Any ideas?

Basic 4 apps with OS3.5.0. SP 2.2.1.  X-master 1.4.1....  All hacks 
Disabled (were Easylaunch 0.15, MegaWiki, Phelm 1.3, Symbolhack 1.1, 
Tealecho 2.13)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 3:56am
Subject: Re: Link Manager Address link causes Diddlebug to open!

On Thu, 16 May 2002, vjornes wrote:

> I've been wanting to add the ability to have sketches in Shadow so
> when MegaWiki came along it seemed like the answer.  It seemed to work
> fine except recently I've found a strange proplem.  When I do Link Add
> Address the link seems to be added ok, however when I try to GoTo the
> link, Diddlebug opens up! It does this whether I select Goto from the
> LinkManager screen or the pop-up box in the main view.

	That means you've done an Add, and hit "Set Program", and set it
to Diddlebug. Do anotehr Link Add Addr, and use Set Program to set it to
the Address Book. Then you can continue, or cancel the add. (Set Program
is global). You're good to go then.

> Now the really strange thing is this occurs EVEN WHEN I HAVE ALL HACKS
> (including MegaWiki) DISABLED!  However Memopad links work just fine.
> Trying other address book links sometimes just causes the screen to
> blank momentarily, while on other links it blanks then comes up with
> the "Please Register" screen - as if SP is being exited then
> restarted!

	This is a Shadow function, so is not related to megakwiki
whatsoever. (ie: When you do a goto, its all Shadow..) Megawiki only kicks
in when you're doing megawiki things :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: ranbarton  <ranbarton@h...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:57am
Subject: Re: New From still giving me problems

Jeff-

When the time comes that you start looking into the "New From" 
morass, please count me in as a motivated and affected user 
who'll be pleased to do what I can to help you get to the bottom of 
this.  Out of a ToDoDB that is 383 records (and 39K), I only see 
completed items, and dated items that were due weeks ago and 
lurk on my list undone.  The great lump of to dos due between 
now and the next month are basically 'invisible.'

Due to shared lists at work, I mark many of my records as 
private, which you have suggested may be an issue, but I hardly 
use the repeat function of AN (I know, I know), using ReDo for 
that instead.  Either way, since AN keeps its redo info in the note, 
I would not think recurrence and repetition would be an issue for 
to dos.

Anyway, I look forward to this issue reaching the top of your very 
long list.

Cheers,
-Ran


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2002, kenclatham wrote:
> 
> > As it happens, I don't use "New From..." much since 
everything I track
> > with SP, I create from SP.  However, something seems to 
have happened
> > to all my links.  I sync'd the other day at work (waiting on
> > improvements to sync at home again), diddled with some 
ToDos, realized
> > I had messed several up and instead of fixing one by one, I 
sync'd
> > again w/ "Desktop Overwrites handheld".  This repaired my 
ToDos (to 10
> > minutes earlier), but now *all* my SP ToDo links are dead.
> 
> 	Eeep.
> 
> > Question 1:
> > At the risk of sounding like a rank beginner.  To your 
knowledge, does
> > "Desktop overwrites handheld" always renumber the 
records?  Or did
> > something else go wrong here?  (Chapura conduits, OS 
3.5.2)
> 
> 	I'm not sure; one could assume theres two sensible main 
ways they
> coudl've implement it: 1) Clobber palm database, uploading all 
new from
> desktop, or 2) Clobber record by record.. if different, clobber.
> 
> 	If they did (2), it should've worked. Sounds like they did
> (1). (For the record, Shadow never clobbers.. it always tries to 
"make it
> work").
> 
> > Question 2:
> > Have there been other reports, besides mine, of lack of data 
regarding
> > "New From..."?
> 
> 	Yep; plenty. New From has some holes that show up for some
> people. Likely related to repeat dates and/or protected data. I'll 
be
> fixing it in a bit.
> 
> > Every time I go to New From it lists *nothing*.  So I went and
> > examined my ToDos through the buitlin, everything looks 
fine.  
> > Changed sort back to default (Priority, Due Date) and now SP 
New From
> > only sees repeats.  Can see completed items just fine, all of 
them.
> 
> 	I can't say. IT seems different for various people.. its
> definitely odd. I'll look into it in awhile, when I deal with some 
other
> things.
> 
> > Changed the sort back (Due Date, Priority), and no undone 
items show,
> > not even repeats, and only some completed items.
> 
> 	Yeha, that makes sense. I think New Form is just getting 
confused
> (by repeats) about how many items are int he todo database. 
So base don
> your sort order, it finds different things.. its probably only seeing 
the
> first half of the database or something.
> 
> 	Most people have no issues with New From; those that do, its 
very
> annoying. I'll fix. Its definitely weird.
> 
> 		jeff

From: casonbang  <newstuff@i...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 9:28am
Subject: Re: Any news on Handera?

> > just curious how the Handera support is coming along....
> 
> 3.5 weeks ago I took a 2 week vacation. I spend the last 10 days
> dealing with the 2300 support emails I've received in the last 3 weeks :)
> 
> I've updated the dev plan on the site, but its not set in
> stone. So much to do, so little time :/

lol... nice dodge!  In the mean time I'm using the Bonsai trial to organize new outlines (where I can see the big picture in hi-res) and then importing into Shadow for actual use.  27 days left....

Maybe it would be easier just to get a Sony.  But then what would I do with all these CF cards...  I wish Sony wasn't so Sony.

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Link Manager Address link causes Diddlebug to open!

Did you try the 'Set Program' button inside the Link Add screen?  This tells
Shadow which app to launch when you do a GoTo Link.  From within the Link
Add screen, when the 'Address' push button is hilighted, hit 'Set Program'
and pick the address book application.  You should only need to do this
once.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "vjornes" <vjornes@y...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:16 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Link Manager Address link causes Diddlebug to
open!


> I've been wanting to add the ability to have sketches in
> Shadow so when MegaWiki came along it seemed like the answer.
> It seemed to work fine except recently I've found a strange
> proplem.  When I do Link Add Address the link seems to be
> added ok, however when I try to GoTo the link, Diddlebug opens
> up! It does this whether I select Goto from the LinkManager screen or
> the pop-up box in the main view.
> Now the really strange thing is this occurs EVEN WHEN I HAVE ALL HACKS
> (including MegaWiki) DISABLED!  However Memopad links work just fine.
> Trying other address book links sometimes just causes the screen to
> blank momentarily, while on other links it blanks then comes up with
> the "Please Register" screen - as if SP is being exited then
> restarted!
>
> Any ideas?
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: Any news on Handera?

On Thu, 16 May 2002, casonbang wrote:

> > > just curious how the Handera support is coming along....
> > 
> > 3.5 weeks ago I took a 2 week vacation. I spend the last 10 days
> > dealing with the 2300 support emails I've received in the last 3 weeks :)
> > 
> > I've updated the dev plan on the site, but its not set in
> > stone. So much to do, so little time :/
> 
> lol... nice dodge!  In the mean time I'm using the Bonsai trial to
> organize new outlines (where I can see the big picture in hi-res) and
> then importing into Shadow for actual use.  27 days left....
> 
> Maybe it would be easier just to get a Sony.  But then what would I do
> with all these CF cards...  I wish Sony wasn't so Sony.

	I wish Handera would get their colour units out; though I think
they've lost in a way.. Sony is big, and they've really got some neat
stuff going on, so they're taking over pretty nicely. Handeras are great
units (when I saw one a guy was using, I was all "Wow!"), but you just
can't find them in as many places,and tey're b/w in a time when everyone
wants colour. Why are they taking so long?!

	Whats your handera priority? The vanishing grafitti area? high res
fonts? (ie: Small font on high res screen, for max crammage)?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 0:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: Any news on Handera?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:18 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Any news on Handera?
>
> 	Whats your handera priority? The vanishing grafitti area? high res
> fonts? (ie: Small font on high res screen, for max crammage)?

My #1 priority would be to clean up the list selection screen. Also,
changing categories in the list selection screen seems to have really slowed
down. Is that a function of the number of lists?

...Sam

From: kcnaylor  <kencn@a...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 2:25pm
Subject: Re: Any news on Handera?

Jeff,

Personally, my priorities for Handera would be support for the all 
the standard Handera fonts (as you say, more crammage) and generally 
cleaning up any of the graphical glitches.  Next would be the 
collapsible graffiti area and last would be screen rotation (which I 
use very rarely in the apps that support it anyway).  Might be 
interesting to see if would be possible to link to recordings in the 
voice recorder, but that's probably one of those 'gee, that's cool' 
things that I wouldn't use much anyway


Ken

> 	Whats your handera priority? The vanishing grafitti area? 
high res
> fonts? (ie: Small font on high res screen, for max crammage)?
> 
> 		jeff
>

From: glearned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 4:04pm
Subject: Eureka!

I'm including an email that I originally posted on the GTD_Palm 
board, for context. What I'd like to discuss as it relates to 
Shadow, is an option to have a Shadow-File wide ToDo option...

What I envision, is the ability to turn on an option at the list 
level that will maintain a ToDo link for the list based on the NEXT 
due date within the list. What this would allow me to do is to 
maintain all my todos solely in Shadow, but get a reminder in 
Datebk5 to check out that Shadow List at the point in time that I 
have something due.

It would truely be slick if the Todo could be formatted in such a 
way as to make it linkable via MegaWiki, but I know that's a bit 
much.

Gary

============================
Afer what seems like lifetimes of playing with combinations to
get the best configuration of tools, I think I've finally
stumbled on the closest to ideal that I've hit yet, and I
thought I'd share it.

The tools are:

--Datebk5
--Shadow
--MegaWiki

The core of this is that I have set up Shadows for everyone
on my staff, all my major work meetings that reoccur, and
other key aspects of my life. For example if I have someone
named Smith working for me, there is a Shadow named Smith.
I then set up Piki to give me a pop up list of all of these
shadows set up as sublists under 'Meetings' & 'Staff' (and
other assorted non-work topics). It looks something like this:

Meetings
--Training
--Staff
--Change Control
Staff
--Smith
--Jones
--Ruddygore

and so on. This gives me quick access to all my key shadows based on
who I'm talking to at the time, or what meeting I'm in.

Within Datebk5, all my scheduled meetings have a link build into the 
title
allowing me to use MegaWiki to jump from the DateBk entry to that
Shadow quickly. I then set an advance on the meeting to remind me to
check that list/agenda before the meeting. So, when I see the 
Training
meeting alert pop up, I can just tap it, go to that shadow, review 
the
action items, then go back to datebk and indicate that I'm ready for
the meeting.

When I am in my staff meeting, I can just go down the Piki list
and pull up each person to see what all they are involved with.

For projects and people that I have shadows for that don't require
as much care and feeding, I just put a reminder in Datebk (linked
of course) to go check that person's Shadow.

I lose a few things from having so many small lists, mostly
related to getting a global view of things. I tried having one
large list for all my staff with topics broken out by project
rather than person, but until Jeff gets us the ability to filter
within a list by a linked resource (beg, plead, bribe), that
just wasn't working well. An advantage of the smaller lists is
everything is speedy and I get just the information I need at
any point in time.


Gary

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Link Manager Address link causes Diddlebug to open!

> Did you try the 'Set Program' button inside the Link Add screen?  
> 
> Ling

No didn't try that.  I performed a soft reset and after that 
everything seems to work ok.

Jeff, would a soft reset clear the Set program preferences?

From: just1dash  <just1dash@y...>
Date: Thu May 16, 2002 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Eureka!

I must be missing something here, as I use them both and this is 
exactly what happens when you set a due date in Shadow and li