From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 7:18pm
Subject: Re: Requested feature

My vote would be desktop only...I can't see a gantt chart being 
useful on a Palm, unless on a hi-res screen inverted 90 degrees.

So, you had your two weeks...now we need something new...I'm getting 
bored! ;-)

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2002, David Torrent Santiago wrote:
> 
> > I've just bought this program because I think it's an excellent
> > application but it could be very interesting if could have a 
graphic
> > view, like Ms project of your tasks.
> 
> 	Just off the cuff..
> 
> 	I have partially implmented something like this in the 
desktop
> application (this module not yet available), and am undecided 
about it on
> the handheld; Shadow is used by a great many people for a wide 
variety of
> things.. so many people have no need of a graphical gantt type 
view, and
> others wouldnt' want to bloat the application. So I may add a 
module to do
> it for those who want it, but its a lower priority. The desktop 
will
> certainly get it, and before the handheld gets it.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 8:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Requested feature

On Mon, 6 May 2002, llgriffll wrote:

> My vote would be desktop only...I can't see a gantt chart being 
> useful on a Palm, unless on a hi-res screen inverted 90 degrees.
> 
> So, you had your two weeks...now we need something new...I'm getting 
> bored! ;-)

	hehe :)

	Still about 1300 emails to go. Oh god. :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 6:06am
Subject: Re: Requested feature

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2002, llgriffll wrote:
> 
> > My vote would be desktop only...I can't see a gantt chart being 
> > useful on a Palm, unless on a hi-res screen inverted 90 degrees.
> > 
> > So, you had your two weeks...now we need something new...I'm
getting 
> > bored! ;-)
> 
> 	hehe :)
> 
> 	Still about 1300 emails to go. Oh god. :)

You *know* that's your punishment for being gone, *don't you*?! :)

Welcome back!  Sun, sand, water... bah, humbug... I live in Florida,
there's way too much of that sh*t around here... ;)

If llgriffll is bored and needs a change, send him a copy of 1.54! :)

Ken

P.S. as far as a vote goes...

Don't put a Gantt on the HH!  Pretty useless on the "small screen". Of
course, I can hear the Handera users dissenting already.

From: Jan Erik Moström  <lists@m...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 10:04am
Subject: Re: Re: Requested feature

2002-05-06 16:44: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> is believed to
have typed:

>   Still about 1300 emails to go. Oh god. :)

What about a "disk crash" that made all the emails unreadable 8-)

            jem
-- 
Jan Erik Moström   jem@m...    www.mostrom.pp.se

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 4:43pm
Subject: RE: I am returned!

Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+
screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I hope
my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take full
advantage of the extra screen real estate!

Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial
does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was discussed
before.

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 7:03pm
Subject: RE: I am returned!

On Tue, 7 May 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+
> screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I hope
> my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take full
> advantage of the extra screen real estate!

	Nope; As usual, Sony is punishing those of us in the west, so its
hard to get them -- they're just now showing up in the US as I understand
it, and it'll be months before they're around in Canada. Assuming Sony
gets yet another emulator and API out, I'll see what I can do.. should be
reasonably easy to support (I hope). There was virtually no info about it
until the last little while, so I left it until things got settled.
(Course, it'll work with Shadow normal 320x320 highres)

> Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial
> does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was
> discussed before.

	You'll figure the jog dial out in a snap; it works pretty much as
you would expect. (Jog and Home). Hires fonts and such should be briefly
discussed in the manuals, but essentially... if you want mega crammage,
you'll want font bucket :) Otherwise FontHack 123 with Lubaks Fonts will
do pretty nicely for good lookin but smaller fonts (fontbucket gives you
lots of low resfonts, and low res fonts on a high res screen makes them
mega teeny).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: Re: Categories lost after hard reset

On Fri, 3 May 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> Alas, I finally had to hard reset my Clie (my fault too, mucking with
> files and forgetting they're on the memory stick...)
> 
> After restoring from the Desktop (the native Palm Desktop
> pick-a-hotsync-name-and-it-will-automatically-restore way), all the
> Shadow files got category Unfiled.  I had to recreate all the custom
> categories and reassign the files.  After doing that and poking around
> with Filez, I notice the database ShadCat doesn't have the backup flag
> enabled.  I assume this is where all the Shadow categories are kept.  
> Without the backup flag, it would have never backed up to the PC.  
> So, my question is, is there a reason why the categories aren't backed
> up to the PC for possible restore?  By the way, I don't have the
> Shadow Desktop installed on this particular PC so don't know if that
> would've made a difference.

	ShadCat does indeed store the categories (and a few other useful
things) in it. It should have the backup flag set on it, though if it
doesn't I'll have to fix that. (ie: I found out about that a year or more
ago, and I was sure I'd fixed that ;)

> Before any of you suggest I use BackupBuddy or CardBackup or some
> other third-party backup program to catch all the files, I just want
> to find out if the ShadCat backup flag is an oversight that should be
> corrected.

	If it is recently created (since you did a hard reset, this is the
case likely) and doesn't have the backup bit, its my bad.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops

On 2 May 2002, Greg Thelen wrote:

> The way I deal with multiple desktops is to delete all the .XML
> database files from the Windows system before I sync for the first
> time of that day.
> 
> So far things seem to work.

	If anyone is interested in helping test multiple desktop
scenarios, join shadow-test and keep your eyes open in a few weeks or a
month. Testing that sort of thign is difficult (I don't have piles of
machines running around.. already have a firewall, mail server,
devel,opment machine, and development mac.. thats enough ;). Once I get
the Mac setup working more reliably, I can perhaps use it for heterogenous
multi-desktop testing, but that may not be a valid test for multiple
desktops, and certainly I prefer much more testing than just my own...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: cdraus  <cdraus@y...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 10:07pm
Subject: Re: Multiple desktops

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	If anyone is interested in helping test multiple desktop
> scenarios, join shadow-test and keep your eyes open in a few weeks 
or a
> month....

Where is "shadow-test"? I don't see it on Yahoo.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops

On Tue, 7 May 2002, cdraus wrote:

> > 	If anyone is interested in helping test multiple desktop
> > scenarios, join shadow-test and keep your eyes open in a few weeks 
> or a
> > month....
> 
> Where is "shadow-test"? I don't see it on Yahoo.

	shadow-test is a pure mailing list, hosted off my own servers. See
here:

	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/maillist.html

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Tue May 7, 2002 11:53pm
Subject: OT: Iambic Fraud

Please pardon this brief rant...

C. E. Steuart Dewar is the king of the Palm programmers, IMO. Jeff 
would rank as the Prince. 

Simply put, these two men offer superior Palm programs while taking 
the time to listen to and responde to suggestions from their user 
community.

Recently in the pimlicodatebk group here at Yahoo! it was mentioned 
that Vidal, from Iambic software had purchsed the domains datebk4, 
and datebk5 .com. He is redirecting the domains to a product which 
has never been called datebk anything!

Take from this what you will, but I call it a bad faith practice. I 
for one will ensure none of my family or friends purchase from a 
company who resorts to such practices.

I apologize for the off-topic post, however I feel it is important 
that supporters of fine software such as Shadow, and Datebk# are 
informed when the "bigger guys" hop into the pool with mud on their 
suits.

Thanks for taking a moment to read this

Griff

From: David Prentice  <dprentic@m...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 1:57am
Subject: FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>Subject: datebk4.com and datebk5.com
>To: webmaster@p...
>From: "Jon Etkins" <jetkins@u...>
>Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:29 -0500
>

Hey, folks.

Are you aware of the dirty pool being played by Iambic Software?

C.E. Steuart Dewar has just released the latest incarnation of his
excellent Datebook replacement, DateBk4, and has updated the product name
to DateBk5.  Almost simultaneously (on May 2nd), Iambic registered the
datebk4.com and datebk5.com domains, and are using them to redirect
potential customers to their own Action Names product.

Personally I think this stinks, and Iambic have earned themselves a
permanent place in my personal black list.

I also think it's something that the wider PalmOS community should be made
aware of.  Perhaps you might like to mention it in your News pages.

Regards,
------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Etkins
Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
IBM Developer Relations Technical Services and Support

jetkins@u...     512-823-0732 (tl: 793-0732)
11400 Burnet Road      (ms: 1034/8A065)
Austin, Texas  78758



===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================

From: Sue Thomas  <s.c-thomas@r...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 3:17am
Subject: RE: I am returned!

Hey Jeff

We checked with the local Sony store. September is being quoted. Looks
like it'll be a thousand dollars (CDN).

It'll also be the one with the camera. They won't be selling the one
without the camera. Which would have been cheaper.

Sue
...not willing to replace my 760!!!

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
>Sent: May 7, 2002 3:03 PM
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] I am returned!
>
>
>On Tue, 7 May 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:
>
>> Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+ 
>> screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I 
>> hope my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take 
>> full advantage of the extra screen real estate!
>
>	Nope; As usual, Sony is punishing those of us in the 
>west, so its hard to get them -- they're just now showing up 
>in the US as I understand it, and it'll be months before 
>they're around in Canada. Assuming Sony gets yet another 
>emulator and API out, I'll see what I can do.. should be 
>reasonably easy to support (I hope). There was virtually no 
>info about it until the last little while, so I left it until 
>things got settled. (Course, it'll work with Shadow normal 
>320x320 highres)
>
>> Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial 
>> does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was 
>> discussed before.
>
>	You'll figure the jog dial out in a snap; it works 
>pretty much as you would expect. (Jog and Home). Hires fonts 
>and such should be briefly discussed in the manuals, but 
>essentially... if you want mega crammage, you'll want font 
>bucket :) Otherwise FontHack 123 with Lubaks Fonts will do 
>pretty nicely for good lookin but smaller fonts (fontbucket 
>gives you lots of low resfonts, and low res fonts on a high 
>res screen makes them mega teeny).
>
>		jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
>own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
>Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who 
>does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 3:48am
Subject: Re: Requested feature

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>>...could be very interesting if could have a 
>>graphic view, like Ms project of your tasks.
> 
> 	Just off the cuff..
> 
> 	I have partially implmented something like this in the desktop
> application (this module not yet available), and am undecided about 
it on
> the handheld; Shadow is used by a great many people for a wide 
variety of
> things.. so many people have no need of a graphical gantt type view, 
and
> others wouldnt' want to bloat the application. So I may add a module 
to do
> it for those who want it, but its a lower priority. The desktop will
> certainly get it, and before the handheld gets it.
> 
> 		jeff

You certainly have my vote for a simple Ganntt chart presentation.  As 
for readability even the 160x IIIc screen works ok.  I've been 
evaluating "Date Chart" which is really not bad.  Main problem is a 
very slow interface with the date book as it scans every entry.

Of course you realise that once you implement the view we'll all want 
to be able to change the start/end/duration by dragging on the ganntt 
:-))

Good luck on plodding with the emails....

Vic

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 4:55am
Subject: Re: FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks

I wouldn't want to comment too much on this issue until I knew for sure it was true, no matter how much i already think Vidal is an idiot!  If it is true, it would not surprise me in the least.  Problem here is I still prefer the style of AN, but find no real option on the market besides Datebk which I find too bloated with options and no address/contact incorporation into the program itself.  If there was only a Datebk light version that also incorporated contacts/addresses.  I still use all the other non-Iambic products though, if only to not buy Iambic!
Oh well, sorry this was not on point Jeff...however, to make it on point, I wish the contact information in AN tied in easier to Shadow as opposed to Vidal thinking he can't let anyone see his code, still not understanding that more incorporation with other products could mean bigger sales...he acts like a Bill Gates in a way, but clearly without the mind!
Ok, some truths, some sarcasm, some tiredness, but mostly agree with myself on the re-read.  Been a long day here and still at work.  Good night.
Kevin
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Prentice 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:57 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks


  ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
  >Subject: datebk4.com and datebk5.com
  >To: webmaster@p...
  >From: "Jon Etkins" <jetkins@u...>
  >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:29 -0500
  >

  Hey, folks.

  Are you aware of the dirty pool being played by Iambic Software?

  C.E. Steuart Dewar has just released the latest incarnation of his
  excellent Datebook replacement, DateBk4, and has updated the product name
  to DateBk5.  Almost simultaneously (on May 2nd), Iambic registered the
  datebk4.com and datebk5.com domains, and are using them to redirect
  potential customers to their own Action Names product.

  Personally I think this stinks, and Iambic have earned themselves a
  permanent place in my personal black list.

  I also think it's something that the wider PalmOS community should be made
  aware of.  Perhaps you might like to mention it in your News pages.

  Regards,
  ------------------------------------------------------------
  Jon Etkins
  Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
  IBM Developer Relations Technical Services and Support

  jetkins@u...     512-823-0732 (tl: 793-0732)
  11400 Burnet Road      (ms: 1034/8A065)
  Austin, Texas  78758



  ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================





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From: ylmir000  <ylmir000@y...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 11:26am
Subject: ShadowPlan Lite?

Hello,

Will there be a simple version of ShadowPlan?

I had tried it twice in the last year (as I really need a nice ToDo 
program, and SP looks like the one for me), but it is too complicated 
for some folks...me :-). And I always ended up deleting it after a 
few days. I read the manual fully, but I just couldn't get used to 
it, especially there are too many features that I dont need. So, will 
there ever be a Lite version of SP?

Thanks,


(If this topic had been discussed, I apologize.)

-Ylmir

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 3:26pm
Subject: RE: I am returned!

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Sue Thomas wrote:

> We checked with the local Sony store. September is being quoted. Looks
> like it'll be a thousand dollars (CDN).

	So essentially the new 760.. same price, but with lots of new
stuff. I couldn't wait any longer.. all you Clie freaks got to me :P

> It'll also be the one with the camera. They won't be selling the one
> without the camera. Which would have been cheaper.

	You know, to me its the 320x480 and the speaker that can play
sound files that makes me interested..

		jeff

> 
> Sue
> ...not willing to replace my 760!!!
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
> >Sent: May 7, 2002 3:03 PM
> >To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] I am returned!
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 7 May 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:
> >
> >> Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+ 
> >> screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I 
> >> hope my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take 
> >> full advantage of the extra screen real estate!
> >
> >	Nope; As usual, Sony is punishing those of us in the 
> >west, so its hard to get them -- they're just now showing up 
> >in the US as I understand it, and it'll be months before 
> >they're around in Canada. Assuming Sony gets yet another 
> >emulator and API out, I'll see what I can do.. should be 
> >reasonably easy to support (I hope). There was virtually no 
> >info about it until the last little while, so I left it until 
> >things got settled. (Course, it'll work with Shadow normal 
> >320x320 highres)
> >
> >> Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial 
> >> does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was 
> >> discussed before.
> >
> >	You'll figure the jog dial out in a snap; it works 
> >pretty much as you would expect. (Jog and Home). Hires fonts 
> >and such should be briefly discussed in the manuals, but 
> >essentially... if you want mega crammage, you'll want font 
> >bucket :) Otherwise FontHack 123 with Lubaks Fonts will do 
> >pretty nicely for good lookin but smaller fonts (fontbucket 
> >gives you lots of low resfonts, and low res fonts on a high 
> >res screen makes them mega teeny).
> >
> >		jeff
> >
> >--
> >"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> >own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
> >Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who 
> >does he calculate he is?"
> >-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Lite?

On Wed, 8 May 2002, ylmir000 wrote:

> Will there be a simple version of ShadowPlan?

	Maybe. I know the interface to Shadow is "complex"; you may have
noticed a trend over the last cople months and releases of me refusing
more and more GUI modifications (or putting them off), and working on
cleaning things up a little (easier to navigate preferences than before,
for example). I intend on simplifying the GUI a little (without losing
any of the power) -- simply reorganizing a little.

	(For example, when I add more customizable types, I'll add a
Customize section where you can name the customizations, and set them
up. Then I can remove the cusotmizations stuff from List Preferences, and
maybe move the remaining stuff to List Preferences and have a simple
filename-only new-file screen, and maybe let you pick from existing files
to copy their layout. This would make creasitng new files easier for new
people, and keep things more organized for oldbies.)

	Its a long ongoing process to figure out what people want and need
and I'm trying to address it.

	Suggestions are welcome.. lots of analysis to do :)

> I had tried it twice in the last year (as I really need a nice ToDo
> program, and SP looks like the one for me), but it is too complicated
> for some folks...me :-). And I always ended up deleting it after a few
> days. I read the manual fully, but I just couldn't get used to it,
> especially there are too many features that I dont need. So, will
> there ever be a Lite version of SP?

	Hard to say.

	I have considered often making a simple todo/datebook/Shadow
viewer .. something that shows a summary of important looking info, and
tieing into the existing databases and applications. (ie: No fighting with
AN or DateBk, but giving simple useful fast views of the data, including
Shadow and some other apps)

> (If this topic had been discussed, I apologize.)

	Asking questions is good :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Eli Robillard  <eli@e...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Haven't received a key.

Greetings,

I registered April 25 and still haven't received a key, the 
receipt/confirmation from PalmGear arrived pretty quick so my e-mail address 
was correct. I sent a request to re-submit through PalmGear the following 
Monday and still nothing. What's up?

Take care,
Eli.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
\/\ J
/\/

E-mail: mailto:eli.robillard@r...
Web: http://www.erobillard.com/

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 6:10pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Lite?

>	I have considered often making a simple todo/datebook/Shadow
>viewer .. something that shows a summary of important looking info, and
>tieing into the existing databases and applications. (ie: No fighting with
>AN or DateBk, but giving simple useful fast views of the data, including
>Shadow and some other apps)
>

Hey, this sounds cool!!!!!!!!!   I'm always struggling to decide how to look 
at my info, Shadow gives me the ultimate in todo's, yet I like to see my 
todo's with my appointment info.  Linking the todo's work, but then 
datebook/datebk5 doesn't give me much flexibility in sorting my todo's etc.  
A viewer that incorporates both, that would be amazing.

Ok, I'll go back to waiting for tags now.

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From: John Goodman  <incitedesignworks@y...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 6:19pm
Subject: Re: FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks

--- "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...> wrote:
> I wouldn't want to comment too much on this issue until I knew for sure it was
true...

Consider it confirmed, Kevin...

http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=datebk4.com&STRING2.x=3&STR
ING2.y=10&SearchType=do

http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=datebk5.com&STRING2.x=3&STR
ING2.y=10&SearchType=do

What an ASS!

Count ME out, too, for any future Iambic purchases.

Jerk.

-- John

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From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 6:32pm
Subject: Re: Haven't received a key.

Eli Robillard wrote:
>  
> Greetings,
> 
> I registered April 25 and still haven't received a key, the 
> receipt/confirmation from PalmGear arrived pretty quick so my e-mail address 
> was correct. I sent a request to re-submit through PalmGear the following 
> Monday and still nothing. What's up?
> 
> Take care,
> Eli.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> \/\ J
> /\/
> 
> E-mail: mailto:eli.robillard@r...
> Web: http://www.erobillard.com/
> 
> 
> 
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>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 

Shadow Plan's author only recently returned from an extended vacation.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
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From: Steve O.  <misterclean1@e...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 6:42pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 488

Okay, I'll admit I'm a happy Action Names user, but I don't see why there's
this outrage over what seems to me to be a pretty common net trick among
competitors.  So what if someone stupid enough to try to find info on
Datebook by using a domain name (?!) gets redirected to Action Names!

I'm sure the Datebook folks would have done the same to AN if they'd thought
of it.  It sounds to me like a harmless -- and most probably useless --
prank.  Just how many Datebook buyers do you think will be "tricked" into
buying Action Names instead?  It's not like the products' names are similar.

Now if the AN folks hacked into Datebook's site to screw it up or something,
that would be serious -- throw the book at them.  But come on, this is a
minor little prank that won't have any appreciable effect on sales of either
product.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:25 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 488


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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> There are 12 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. RE: I am returned!
>            From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
>       2. RE: I am returned!
>            From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>       3. Re: Categories lost after hard reset
>            From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>       4. Re: Re: Multiple desktops
>            From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>       5. Re: Multiple desktops
>            From: "cdraus" <cdraus@y...>
>       6. Re: Re: Multiple desktops
>            From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>       7. OT: Iambic Fraud
>            From: "llgriffll" <keith@t...>
>       8. FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks
>            From: "David Prentice" <dprentic@m...>
>       9. RE: I am returned!
>            From: "Sue Thomas" <s.c-thomas@r...>
>      10. Re: Requested feature
>            From: "vjornes" <vjornes@y...>
>      11. Re: FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks
>            From: "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
>      12. ShadowPlan Lite?
>            From: "ylmir000" <ylmir000@y...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:43:54 -0500
>    From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
> Subject: RE: I am returned!
>
> Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+
> screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I hope
> my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take full
> advantage of the extra screen real estate!
>
> Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial
> does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was discussed
> before.
>
> Jen
>
> -------------
> PocketGoddess
> http://www.pocketgoddess.com
> 98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:03:02 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: RE: I am returned!
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:
>
> > Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+
> > screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I hope
> > my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take full
> > advantage of the extra screen real estate!
>
> Nope; As usual, Sony is punishing those of us in the west, so its
> hard to get them -- they're just now showing up in the US as I understand
> it, and it'll be months before they're around in Canada. Assuming Sony
> gets yet another emulator and API out, I'll see what I can do.. should be
> reasonably easy to support (I hope). There was virtually no info about it
> until the last little while, so I left it until things got settled.
> (Course, it'll work with Shadow normal 320x320 highres)
>
> > Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial
> > does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was
> > discussed before.
>
> You'll figure the jog dial out in a snap; it works pretty much as
> you would expect. (Jog and Home). Hires fonts and such should be briefly
> discussed in the manuals, but essentially... if you want mega crammage,
> you'll want font bucket :) Otherwise FontHack 123 with Lubaks Fonts will
> do pretty nicely for good lookin but smaller fonts (fontbucket gives you
> lots of low resfonts, and low res fonts on a high res screen makes them
> mega teeny).
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:20:38 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Categories lost after hard reset
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:
>
> > Alas, I finally had to hard reset my Clie (my fault too, mucking with
> > files and forgetting they're on the memory stick...)
> >
> > After restoring from the Desktop (the native Palm Desktop
> > pick-a-hotsync-name-and-it-will-automatically-restore way), all the
> > Shadow files got category Unfiled.  I had to recreate all the custom
> > categories and reassign the files.  After doing that and poking around
> > with Filez, I notice the database ShadCat doesn't have the backup flag
> > enabled.  I assume this is where all the Shadow categories are kept.
> > Without the backup flag, it would have never backed up to the PC.
> > So, my question is, is there a reason why the categories aren't backed
> > up to the PC for possible restore?  By the way, I don't have the
> > Shadow Desktop installed on this particular PC so don't know if that
> > would've made a difference.
>
> ShadCat does indeed store the categories (and a few other useful
> things) in it. It should have the backup flag set on it, though if it
> doesn't I'll have to fix that. (ie: I found out about that a year or more
> ago, and I was sure I'd fixed that ;)
>
> > Before any of you suggest I use BackupBuddy or CardBackup or some
> > other third-party backup program to catch all the files, I just want
> > to find out if the ShadCat backup flag is an oversight that should be
> > corrected.
>
> If it is recently created (since you did a hard reset, this is the
> case likely) and doesn't have the backup bit, its my bad.
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:38:40 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops
>
> On 2 May 2002, Greg Thelen wrote:
>
> > The way I deal with multiple desktops is to delete all the .XML
> > database files from the Windows system before I sync for the first
> > time of that day.
> >
> > So far things seem to work.
>
> If anyone is interested in helping test multiple desktop
> scenarios, join shadow-test and keep your eyes open in a few weeks or a
> month. Testing that sort of thign is difficult (I don't have piles of
> machines running around.. already have a firewall, mail server,
> devel,opment machine, and development mac.. thats enough ;). Once I get
> the Mac setup working more reliably, I can perhaps use it for heterogenous
> multi-desktop testing, but that may not be a valid test for multiple
> desktops, and certainly I prefer much more testing than just my own...
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:07:02 -0000
>    From: "cdraus" <cdraus@y...>
> Subject: Re: Multiple desktops
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > If anyone is interested in helping test multiple desktop
> > scenarios, join shadow-test and keep your eyes open in a few weeks
> or a
> > month....
>
> Where is "shadow-test"? I don't see it on Yahoo.
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:26:56 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2002, cdraus wrote:
>
> > > If anyone is interested in helping test multiple desktop
> > > scenarios, join shadow-test and keep your eyes open in a few weeks
> > or a
> > > month....
> >
> > Where is "shadow-test"? I don't see it on Yahoo.
>
> shadow-test is a pure mailing list, hosted off my own servers. See
> here:
>
> http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/maillist.html
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:53:44 -0000
>    From: "llgriffll" <keith@t...>
> Subject: OT: Iambic Fraud
>
> Please pardon this brief rant...
>
> C. E. Steuart Dewar is the king of the Palm programmers, IMO. Jeff
> would rank as the Prince.
>
> Simply put, these two men offer superior Palm programs while taking
> the time to listen to and responde to suggestions from their user
> community.
>
> Recently in the pimlicodatebk group here at Yahoo! it was mentioned
> that Vidal, from Iambic software had purchsed the domains datebk4,
> and datebk5 .com. He is redirecting the domains to a product which
> has never been called datebk anything!
>
> Take from this what you will, but I call it a bad faith practice. I
> for one will ensure none of my family or friends purchase from a
> company who resorts to such practices.
>
> I apologize for the off-topic post, however I feel it is important
> that supporters of fine software such as Shadow, and Datebk# are
> informed when the "bigger guys" hop into the pool with mud on their
> suits.
>
> Thanks for taking a moment to read this
>
> Griff
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:57:28 -0500
>    From: "David Prentice" <dprentic@m...>
> Subject: FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks
>
> ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
> >Subject: datebk4.com and datebk5.com
> >To: webmaster@p...
> >From: "Jon Etkins" <jetkins@u...>
> >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:29 -0500
> >
>
> Hey, folks.
>
> Are you aware of the dirty pool being played by Iambic Software?
>
> C.E. Steuart Dewar has just released the latest incarnation of his
> excellent Datebook replacement, DateBk4, and has updated the product name
> to DateBk5.  Almost simultaneously (on May 2nd), Iambic registered the
> datebk4.com and datebk5.com domains, and are using them to redirect
> potential customers to their own Action Names product.
>
> Personally I think this stinks, and Iambic have earned themselves a
> permanent place in my personal black list.
>
> I also think it's something that the wider PalmOS community should be made
> aware of.  Perhaps you might like to mention it in your News pages.
>
> Regards,
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Jon Etkins
> Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
> IBM Developer Relations Technical Services and Support
>
> jetkins@u...     512-823-0732 (tl: 793-0732)
> 11400 Burnet Road      (ms: 1034/8A065)
> Austin, Texas  78758
>
>
>
> ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:17:54 -0400
>    From: "Sue Thomas" <s.c-thomas@r...>
> Subject: RE: I am returned!
>
> Hey Jeff
>
> We checked with the local Sony store. September is being quoted. Looks
> like it'll be a thousand dollars (CDN).
>
> It'll also be the one with the camera. They won't be selling the one
> without the camera. Which would have been cheaper.
>
> Sue
> ...not willing to replace my 760!!!
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> >Sent: May 7, 2002 3:03 PM
> >To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] I am returned!
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 7 May 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:
> >
> >> Thank goodness!  Now back to work:  Will Shadow work in the Hi-Res+
> >> screen of the new Clie NR series?  Mine is arriving tomorrow and I
> >> hope my second- favorite program (sorry, AN comes first!) will take
> >> full advantage of the extra screen real estate!
> >
> > Nope; As usual, Sony is punishing those of us in the
> >west, so its hard to get them -- they're just now showing up
> >in the US as I understand it, and it'll be months before
> >they're around in Canada. Assuming Sony gets yet another
> >emulator and API out, I'll see what I can do.. should be
> >reasonably easy to support (I hope). There was virtually no
> >info about it until the last little while, so I left it until
> >things got settled. (Course, it'll work with Shadow normal
> >320x320 highres)
> >
> >> Also, where can I go for info on hi-res fonts, and what the jog dial
> >> does?  I must admit to not paying much attention when this was
> >> discussed before.
> >
> > You'll figure the jog dial out in a snap; it works
> >pretty much as you would expect. (Jog and Home). Hires fonts
> >and such should be briefly discussed in the manuals, but
> >essentially... if you want mega crammage, you'll want font
> >bucket :) Otherwise FontHack 123 with Lubaks Fonts will do
> >pretty nicely for good lookin but smaller fonts (fontbucket
> >gives you lots of low resfonts, and low res fonts on a high
> >res screen makes them mega teeny).
> >
> > jeff
> >
> >--
> >"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> >own micro circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> >Program'. I mean, sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who
> >does he calculate he is?"
> >-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
>    Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 03:48:27 -0000
>    From: "vjornes" <vjornes@y...>
> Subject: Re: Requested feature
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> >>...could be very interesting if could have a
> >>graphic view, like Ms project of your tasks.
> >
> > Just off the cuff..
> >
> > I have partially implmented something like this in the desktop
> > application (this module not yet available), and am undecided about
> it on
> > the handheld; Shadow is used by a great many people for a wide
> variety of
> > things.. so many people have no need of a graphical gantt type view,
> and
> > others wouldnt' want to bloat the application. So I may add a module
> to do
> > it for those who want it, but its a lower priority. The desktop will
> > certainly get it, and before the handheld gets it.
> >
> > jeff
>
> You certainly have my vote for a simple Ganntt chart presentation.  As
> for readability even the 160x IIIc screen works ok.  I've been
> evaluating "Date Chart" which is really not bad.  Main problem is a
> very slow interface with the date book as it scans every entry.
>
> Of course you realise that once you implement the view we'll all want
> to be able to change the start/end/duration by dragging on the ganntt
> :-))
>
> Good luck on plodding with the emails....
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:55:57 -0700
>    From: "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
> Subject: Re: FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks
>
> I wouldn't want to comment too much on this issue until I knew for sure it
was true, no matter how much i already think Vidal is an idiot!  If it is
true, it would not surprise me in the least.  Problem here is I still prefer
the style of AN, but find no real option on the market besides Datebk which
I find too bloated with options and no address/contact incorporation into
the program itself.  If there was only a Datebk light version that also
incorporated contacts/addresses.  I still use all the other non-Iambic
products though, if only to not buy Iambic!
> Oh well, sorry this was not on point Jeff...however, to make it on point,
I wish the contact information in AN tied in easier to Shadow as opposed to
Vidal thinking he can't let anyone see his code, still not understanding
that more incorporation with other products could mean bigger sales...he
acts like a Bill Gates in a way, but clearly without the mind!
> Ok, some truths, some sarcasm, some tiredness, but mostly agree with
myself on the re-read.  Been a long day here and still at work.  Good night.
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Prentice
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:57 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] FYI: Iambic Dirty Tricks
>
>
>   ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>   >Subject: datebk4.com and datebk5.com
>   >To: webmaster@p...
>   >From: "Jon Etkins" <jetkins@u...>
>   >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:29 -0500
>   >
>
>   Hey, folks.
>
>   Are you aware of the dirty pool being played by Iambic Software?
>
>   C.E. Steuart Dewar has just released the latest incarnation of his
>   excellent Datebook replacement, DateBk4, and has updated the product
name
>   to DateBk5.  Almost simultaneously (on May 2nd), Iambic registered the
>   datebk4.com and datebk5.com domains, and are using them to redirect
>   potential customers to their own Action Names product.
>
>   Personally I think this stinks, and Iambic have earned themselves a
>   permanent place in my personal black list.
>
>   I also think it's something that the wider PalmOS community should be
made
>   aware of.  Perhaps you might like to mention it in your News pages.
>
>   Regards,
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
>   Jon Etkins
>   Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
>   IBM Developer Relations Technical Services and Support
>
>   jetkins@u...     512-823-0732 (tl: 793-0732)
>   11400 Burnet Road      (ms: 1034/8A065)
>   Austin, Texas  78758
>
>
>
>   ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
>    Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:26:45 -0000
>    From: "ylmir000" <ylmir000@y...>
> Subject: ShadowPlan Lite?
>
> Hello,
>
> Will there be a simple version of ShadowPlan?
>
> I had tried it twice in the last year (as I really need a nice ToDo
> program, and SP looks like the one for me), but it is too complicated
> for some folks...me :-). And I always ended up deleting it after a
> few days. I read the manual fully, but I just couldn't get used to
> it, especially there are too many features that I dont need. So, will
> there ever be a Lite version of SP?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> (If this topic had been discussed, I apologize.)
>
> -Ylmir
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 7:00pm
Subject: Re: Haven't received a key.

On Wed, 8 May 2002, Eli Robillard wrote:

> I registered April 25 and still haven't received a key, the 
> receipt/confirmation from PalmGear arrived pretty quick so my e-mail address 
> was correct. I sent a request to re-submit through PalmGear the following 
> Monday and still nothing. What's up?

	The proper forum for this is support@c..., so I'll answer it
privately. Just so everyone knows :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 7:34pm
Subject: iambic and developer ethics...

Steve O, you should do some reading about marketing and how it works, then get back to us.  ; )
For those not so computer savvy out there trying to find the site that sells and has info on Datebk, and then being suddenly dumped to AN site, statistically a certain number of them will buy that product as opposed to continuing their search.
Funny I don't hear of very many reputable company's pulling this "pretty common net trick" as you put it.  Have a list for us?
Your thought process does sound like someone with whom I would be nervous about doing business!  What happened to ethics and winning with a great product and service?  Be authentic in life and you'll get much further, and more importantly likely be much happier.
Kevin
P.S.  With all your net experience, I would think you would have learned to cut out the remaining digest in your message for the rest of us...or is that another "pretty common net trick" you are pulling on us.  ; )

Kevin S. Giberson
Law Office of Kevin S. Giberson
Watsonville/Santa Cruz
262 East Lake Avenue
Watsonville, CA  95076
Office:  (831) 722-4500
Fax:  (831) 722-4535
kevin@g...

------------------------------
Enjoy life!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve O. 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 488


  Okay, I'll admit I'm a happy Action Names user, but I don't see why there's
  this outrage over what seems to me to be a pretty common net trick among
  competitors.  So what if someone stupid enough to try to find info on
  Datebook by using a domain name (?!) gets redirected to Action Names!

  I'm sure the Datebook folks would have done the same to AN if they'd thought
  of it.  It sounds to me like a harmless -- and most probably useless --
  prank.  Just how many Datebook buyers do you think will be "tricked" into
  buying Action Names instead?  It's not like the products' names are similar.

  Now if the AN folks hacked into Datebook's site to screw it up or something,
  that would be serious -- throw the book at them.  But come on, this is a
  minor little prank that won't have any appreciable effect on sales of either
  product.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
  To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:25 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 488





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From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 7:44pm
Subject: Re: Steve's response to digest

Steve O wrote:

Okay, I'll admit I'm a happy Action Names user, but I don't see why there's
this outrage over what seems to me to be a pretty common net trick among
competitors.  So what if someone stupid enough to try to find info on
Datebook by using a domain name (?!) gets redirected to Action Names!

I'm sure the Datebook folks would have done the same to AN if they'd
thought
of it.  It sounds to me like a harmless -- and most probably useless --
prank.  Just how many Datebook buyers do you think will be "tricked" into
buying Action Names instead?  It's not like the products' names are
similar.

Now if the AN folks hacked into Datebook's site to screw it up or
something,
that would be serious -- throw the book at them.  But come on, this is a
minor little prank that won't have any appreciable effect on sales of
either
product.


First Steve, please don't respond to a digest and attach the whole digest
as history. This can be very distracting, as  I'm sure you'll see when you
read this digest. Also, it helps if you change the title line to something
meaningful.

Secondly, I think this is far worse than a prank. It has become common
practice to use a product name in the URL, and it is against the law to
register someone elses trademarked name. Whether Iambic broke the law is
for Pimlico and the courts to decide, but what Iambic did was wrong pure
and simple. I guess they must realize that because they changed the URL's
to redirect to a blank page. In my opinion, what Vidal did was unethical
and I would never buy software from someone with these values. Just my .02.

From: dberge7  <dberge@f...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 7:51pm
Subject: Hotsync crashes with shadow error

My hotsync is hit and miss.  I'm running Shadow 2.2.1 on a Palm Vx, 
syncing to a PC running Windows 2000 Professional.  When it crashes I 
get this:

# Log started 1020869064
# Conduit Build 1.1.0 Feb 18 2002 08:41:45
# Syncronization type: 0 (eFast)
# SyncMgr API version: 2.3
# FAILED: Couldn't read hotsync ID!
# ERROR: Couldn't get Shadow version or regcode: 10006410
#        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
# Handheld Shadow Plan version:  regcode: ????
# Registration: C:\Palm\BergeD\ShadowPlan160\ShadowPlan.reg
#   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
#     Stored to windows registry.
# UNREGISTERED. Please register Shadow Plan Desktop!
# ERROR: Couldn't get character encoding: 10006410
#        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
# ERROR: Shadow version on Handheld is unsupported with this conduit.
#        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
# Log finished 1020869064

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 7:54pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 488

On Wed, 8 May 2002, Steve O. wrote:

> Okay, I'll admit I'm a happy Action Names user, but I don't see why there's
> this outrage over what seems to me to be a pretty common net trick among
> competitors.  So what if someone stupid enough to try to find info on
> Datebook by using a domain name (?!) gets redirected to Action Names!

	I'm not interested in getting into a debate, but its simple: this
is very sleezy behaviour, without a doubt. You go and try and start a
burger restaurant, and call it McDonalds, and see how far you get ;)

	Just because it may happen, doesn't mean its *moral*. In the
corporate world today, people get greedy and forget its all about
customers, and they do evil things. But that doesn't make it right, or
acceptible.

	I will never do such a sleezy thing. Play fair, or get out of the
park, I say.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Steve's response to digest

>Steve O wrote:
>
>Okay, I'll admit I'm a happy Action Names user, but I don't see why
>there's this outrage over what seems to me to be a pretty common net
>trick among competitors.  So what if someone stupid enough to try to
>find info on Datebook by using a domain name (?!) gets redirected to
>Action Names!
>
>I'm sure the Datebook folks would have done the same to AN if they'd
>thought of it.  It sounds to me like a harmless -- and most probably
>useless --
>prank.  Just how many Datebook buyers do you think will be "tricked"
>into buying Action Names instead?  It's not like the products' names
>are similar.
>
>Now if the AN folks hacked into Datebook's site to screw it up or
>something, that would be serious -- throw the book at them.  But
>come on, this is a minor little prank that won't have any
>appreciable effect on sales of either product.
>

It is not a matter of degree rather it is a matter of principle in my book.  It is unethical to "trick" consumers into buying something they might not have intended.  Although it may sound like "harmless" to someone, it might not be harmless at all to others (our history is replete with these "harmless" pranks that turned out to be more serious).

I have not seen any business propspering in the long run by doing something unethical.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Hotsync crashes with shadow error

On Wed, 8 May 2002, dberge7 wrote:

> My hotsync is hit and miss.  I'm running Shadow 2.2.1 on a Palm Vx, 
> syncing to a PC running Windows 2000 Professional.  When it crashes I 
> get this:
> 
> # FAILED: Couldn't read hotsync ID!

	This suggests Shadow is unavailable on the handheld; as if..

> # ERROR: Couldn't get Shadow version or regcode: 10006410
> #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?

	... its on a card or the like, as in this error suggestion. Do you
have Shadow on a card? (VFS or the like)? Or is it in main memory? Is it
too old a version? (make sure you have 2.1 or 2.2 or later)

	All the other errors are for the same reason.

		jeff

> # Handheld Shadow Plan version:  regcode: ????
> # Registration: C:\Palm\BergeD\ShadowPlan160\ShadowPlan.reg
> #   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
> #     Stored to windows registry.
> # UNREGISTERED. Please register Shadow Plan Desktop!
> # ERROR: Couldn't get character encoding: 10006410
> #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> # ERROR: Shadow version on Handheld is unsupported with this conduit.
> #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> # Log finished 1020869064
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:16pm
Subject: FYI: Datebk5.com now blank

Just thought I'd mention that Iambic has stopped the redirection.  
www.datebk4.com and www.datebk5.com now just point to blank pages.

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Registration - Possible Solution?

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, xxxdpxxx wrote:

> I just purchased the desktop expansion and was trying to get it to 
> recognize that it is registered.  I entered the desktop registration 
> code into the Palm and hotsynced ... nothing.  I tried it while the 
> desktop was running ... nothing.  I uninstalled and reinstalled the 
> desktop (after I finally found the uninstall name) ... nothing.
> 
> Finally I hit on a solution.  I had been running Shadow from my 
> expansion card.  I moved it to RAM, entered the desktop registration 
> code, and then hotsynced ... bingo.

	Yep. For syncing to work, Shadow must be in Pidirect (not disabled
during hotsync), or in real ram. I may be removing this requirement in the
future, aftre I do some conduit updates.

> Jeff, when you get back from vacation, you might check to see if this
> makes sense as a potential problem and solution.  If so, I would
> suggest adding it to the manual.  Also, at some point, I would suggest
> changing the desktop's name in the uninstall file to "Shadow Plan".  
> It would simplify things.

	Yeah; the installer tool is a little dumb about its naming, but I
can't do a lot about it, withotu confusing people for other reasons. (I
buy a installer builder from someone else, and it makes assumptions)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: display glitch with scrollbar and mini editor?

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> I thought this was taken care of.  I don't remember any residual
> issues with it.  However...
> 
> I can confirm this happens.  I can make it happen on demand.
> 
> On mine, however, I can not get to the scroll bar, it pops up the
> "Link Manager" dialog box, I assume because it is the link field that
> over laps.  Just about any action, including reopening the Mini-Editor
> causes a replot and the problem goes away.
> 
> Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, SP 2.2.1 HH

	I thinbk you can get it to happen if various settings are
activated, and you're list is changging from one-screen to multi-screen
due to somethign you're doing. (I'v enot had time to look into it, but I
wonder if expoanding a memo to suddenly make your list 2 screens will
cause it). If it occurs, I think anything redrawing the screen will make
it go away.. its just that first redraw that can get confused. I think.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: dal1mdm  <solafide20@h...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:32pm
Subject: Shadow + Sales

I handle alot of accounts with mutliple tasks for each. I notice that 
I can link actions to the address book in palm but if I wanted to see 
everything linked to a paricular address book entry - well, I dont 
know how to do that.  Import a list of clients?  Then link within 
Shadow?

Anyone out there using shadow to manage multiple clients and multiple 
projects / next actions?

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 9:41pm
Subject: Re: FYI: Datebk5.com now blank

still the same idea behind it...a misdirection to a blank page seems to suggest a company that doesn't have it together.  the ethics would suggest they give up the domain names entirely or voluntarily give them to Pimlico, the owner of the products.  my thoughts!
kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Schellenberg 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:16 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] FYI: Datebk5.com now blank


  Just thought I'd mention that Iambic has stopped the redirection.  
  www.datebk4.com and www.datebk5.com now just point to blank pages.




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From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 10:23pm
Subject: OT: New Action Names refugee camp

I just started a new group entitled an2datebk 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/an2datebk/).

This group is to assist former users of Action Names with the 
transition to Datebk products. I have seen many a post today from 
Iambic customers who have deleted Action Names and will need our 
assistance to get up and running with Datebk. As this groups primary 
use dealing with issues specific to Shadowplan, I think it'd be good 
to offload the off-topic discussions to the new board.

If you have some spare time and use Datebk, please join us in the 
new group to help new members of the Datebk community. If you use 
Action Names and need some help with Datebk, this group's for you!

In addition, let's take our conversation about Iambic's mistaken at 
best behavior over there. This group has been a good home for the 
recent activity, but it's time to get it back on track.

From: dberge7  <dberge@f...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 11:51pm
Subject: Re: Hotsync crashes with shadow error

I am not using a card.  Shadow is definitely in the main memory of my 
Palm Vx (which doesn't have a card).  I'm on Shadow 2.2.1...

DB

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, dberge7 wrote:
> 
> > My hotsync is hit and miss.  I'm running Shadow 2.2.1 on a Palm 
Vx, 
> > syncing to a PC running Windows 2000 Professional.  When it 
crashes I 
> > get this:
> > 
> > # FAILED: Couldn't read hotsync ID!
> 
> 	This suggests Shadow is unavailable on the handheld; as if..
> 
> > # ERROR: Couldn't get Shadow version or regcode: 10006410
> > #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> 
> 	... its on a card or the like, as in this error suggestion. 
Do you
> have Shadow on a card? (VFS or the like)? Or is it in main memory? 
Is it
> too old a version? (make sure you have 2.1 or 2.2 or later)
> 
> 	All the other errors are for the same reason.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > # Handheld Shadow Plan version:  regcode: ????
> > # Registration: C:\Palm\BergeD\ShadowPlan160\ShadowPlan.reg
> > #   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
> > #     Stored to windows registry.
> > # UNREGISTERED. Please register Shadow Plan Desktop!
> > # ERROR: Couldn't get character encoding: 10006410
> > #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> > # ERROR: Shadow version on Handheld is unsupported with this 
conduit.
> > #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> > # Log finished 1020869064
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Wed May 8, 2002 11:57pm
Subject: Battery dies, I become an unregistered user when hotsyncing, Why?

When the battery of my palm died, the software(shadowplan) went
back to unregistered version and now I have to do the register steps
again.

Typing in the registration code just like it said to do when I 
registered won't solve the problem!

I am sure I am not alone in this and therefor hope somebody is able 
to point me in the right direction! I have not been able to use 
shadowplan since April so I desperately need help. Thank you, Carina

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 1:50am
Subject: Re: Shadow + Sales

On Wed, 8 May 2002, dal1mdm wrote:

> I handle alot of accounts with mutliple tasks for each. I notice that 
> I can link actions to the address book in palm but if I wanted to see 
> everything linked to a paricular address book entry - well, I dont 
> know how to do that.  Import a list of clients?  Then link within 
> Shadow?

	Depends what you're asking;

	If you'd like to get a list of all items linking to a particular
person, nomatter what Shadow file they're in, thats rough; I may add some
multi-file searching in the desktop, but not likely in the handheld
.. would be too slow (for those of us with undreds of lists anyway :)

	If you wish to get a list of all items set to a person, then I
will be adding some functionlity to do that soon. (all items in one list,
I mean). You'll be able to attach resources to items, and then sort or
filter by resource selection and such.

> Anyone out there using shadow to manage multiple clients and multiple
> projects / next actions?

	Hopefully others in the forum can help; they're much smarter users
than me. Really!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 1:51am
Subject: Re: Re: Hotsync crashes with shadow error

On Wed, 8 May 2002, dberge7 wrote:

> I am not using a card.  Shadow is definitely in the main memory of my 
> Palm Vx (which doesn't have a card).  I'm on Shadow 2.2.1...

	Are you using any altenative sync package? (Intellisync or
anything)? What version of Shadow is installed on the handheld? (Do you
have multiple version installed, by chance?)

		jeff

> 
> DB
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 May 2002, dberge7 wrote:
> > 
> > > My hotsync is hit and miss.  I'm running Shadow 2.2.1 on a Palm 
> Vx, 
> > > syncing to a PC running Windows 2000 Professional.  When it 
> crashes I 
> > > get this:
> > > 
> > > # FAILED: Couldn't read hotsync ID!
> > 
> > 	This suggests Shadow is unavailable on the handheld; as if..
> > 
> > > # ERROR: Couldn't get Shadow version or regcode: 10006410
> > > #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> > 
> > 	... its on a card or the like, as in this error suggestion. 
> Do you
> > have Shadow on a card? (VFS or the like)? Or is it in main memory? 
> Is it
> > too old a version? (make sure you have 2.1 or 2.2 or later)
> > 
> > 	All the other errors are for the same reason.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > > # Handheld Shadow Plan version:  regcode: ????
> > > # Registration: C:\Palm\BergeD\ShadowPlan160\ShadowPlan.reg
> > > #   Win32 registry entry found and opened.
> > > #     Stored to windows registry.
> > > # UNREGISTERED. Please register Shadow Plan Desktop!
> > > # ERROR: Couldn't get character encoding: 10006410
> > > #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> > > # ERROR: Shadow version on Handheld is unsupported with this 
> conduit.
> > > #        Perhaps Shadow is on an inaccessible card?
> > > # Log finished 1020869064
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 1:53am
Subject: Re: Battery dies, I become an unregistered user when hotsyncing, Why?

On Wed, 8 May 2002, carinas30 wrote:

> When the battery of my palm died, the software(shadowplan) went
> back to unregistered version and now I have to do the register steps
> again.

	Preference database was lost. You'll likely have to reregister
most everything and reset options and such.

> Typing in the registration code just like it said to do when I
> registered won't solve the problem!

	It certainly will! (assuming you used the same hotsync ID
again; if you changed hotsync IDs, you'll have to get new regcodes for
most applications)

> I am sure I am not alone in this and therefor hope somebody is able to
> point me in the right direction! I have not been able to use
> shadowplan since April so I desperately need help. Thank you, Carina

	If you have registered the handheld, and then the desktop
expansion (12.99 and thwen 9.99, and not the 19.99 bundle), then be sure
to enter the handheld code first, then the expansion code.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 2:01am
Subject: Re: Shadow + Sales

On Wed, 8 May 2002 21:50:43 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>If you wish to get a list of all items set to a person, then I
>will be adding some functionlity to do that soon. (all items in one
>list,
>I mean). You'll be able to attach resources to items, and then sort
>or
>filter by resource selection and such.
>

Jeff,

Is the attaching of resources in addition to linking or replacing 
linking, or will a link be a resource?
-- 
220, 221 ... whatever it takes
learned@t... on 05/08/2002

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 2:01am
Subject: Re: Battery dies, I become an unregistered user when hotsyncing, Why?

>Preference database was lost. You'll likely have to reregister
>most everything and reset options and such.
 
The cursor is at the line where I should type in the registration key 
that was emailed to me. Below that line it says to "Create a HotSnc 
username!" Please guide me through this!



> > Typing in the registration code just like it said to do when I
> > registered won't solve the problem!
>It certainly will! (assuming you used the same hotsync ID
> again; if you changed hotsync IDs, you'll have to get new regcodes 
for most applications)

I did not change hotsync name. It is carina's Palm.


> If you have registered the handheld, and then the desktop
> expansion (12.99 and thwen 9.99, and not the 19.99 bundle), then be 
> sure to enter the handheld code first, then the expansion code.

Bought the bundle

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 2:26am
Subject: Progress Bars On Select Items

Forgive me if the answer to this one is obvious, but I can't figure 
it out.  Is there a way to have progress bars only on select items or 
a groups of siblings?

I generally arrange my todos as follows:

>  Work
    > File #1
       > Task #1
       > Task #2
       > Task #3
    > File #2
       > Task #1
       > Task #2
       > Task #3
    > File #3
       > Task #1
       > Task #2
       > Task #3

I'd like to have progress bars at the "File" level only. (Items at 
the "Task" level are usually discrete items without children.)

Any thoughts?

-- 
Kevin Brown
Richmond Hill, Ontario
mailto:zephyr@t...

From: Steve O.  <misterclean1@e...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 5:05am
Subject: Response to my critics

First of all, sorry about quoting the whole digest -- that was a dumb
mistake.  I rarely post on this forum and forgot to Ctrl-A and delete.  Re.
the subject line, I was recently taken to task on a newsgroup for changing
the subject line -- apparently on some primitive ways of reading news
messages (WebTV?) this makes it hard to follow the thread.  So I didn't
change it here either.

To correct one poster: the full name of Action Names has been Action Names
*Datebook* for some time now.  I'm sure the domain-buying thing was some
amoral computer geek's bright idea in their office.  Either when it was
discovered in-house, or when Datebook's lawyers threatened to sue, they
pulled it.  What harm has been done?  Do you believe Datebook 5 lost even a
single sale because of this prank?

For those of you with such a fine moral sense, what about Microsoft's
search-and-destroy method of targetting competitors?  I bet you use Windows
or other MS products.  If you want to boycott soembody, how about a company
whose dealings have been seriously anti-competetive and destructive to their
rivals?

I just think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.  What harm
was done to Datebook here?  In a society where cheating and dishonesty are
becoming more and more accepted, a story like this doesn't even show up on
my radar.  I'm too busy being mad about the school board that just fired a
teacher for penalizing some of her students who cheated on an exam.  Parents
complained it hurt their kiddies' self-esteem.  Now isn't that a lot more
serious than a brief and apparently totally-ineffective domain-name prank?

Re. others doing this on the net, it's everywhere, from a search on "the
White House" or "drudge" bringing up anti-White House and anti-drudge sites.

From: ldrydenb  <ldrydenb@d...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: Response to my critics

Dear Steve

Everyone is allowed to make a mistake once (eg: posting the entire
digest) but you seem to be making the same mistake over & over again:
you are *sure* that Pimlico would have pulled the same stunt if they
had thought of it first, you *bet* that we use Microsoft products,
you question whether Pimlico lost any sales due to Iambic's tactics.

(i) statements on this topic by CESD (author of DB5) to the effect
that he would not have done so suggest to me that you are wrong to be
so sure. His statements are consistent with his business practices as
experienced by users of DB4/5: if you have information to the
contrary, please direct it to one of the many news sites running this
story.

(ii) many people (such as myself) refuse to use Microsoft products. A
month or so ago there was a thread on this group regarding support
for  non-MS products on principle which garnered many favorable
comments from like-minded souls (and those using MS under duress, eg:
in the workplace). Do you know if the people posting on this matter
contributed to that debate?

(iii) I know that when I have attempted to follow a link to a
company's website and have been met with the wrong page (or, now, a
blank page) I have gone elsewhere. Admittedly, I wouldn't be
searching so blindly, but I can think of at least two very
intelligent colleagues whose net savvy is such that they have been
misled by (more benign) confusion over names, so I don't think it
unreasonable to expect a loss of sales.

You may well know what you are talking about, but the way that you
are choosing to say it gives the impression that you have no evidence
to support your opinions. The great thing about the Internet is the
easy access to information: your arguments will carry much more
weight if you show that you're using that access.

Regards,

Dryden

From: Peggy Darling  <peggy_darling@y...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 11:37am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 489 message22

You wrote:
Message: 22
   Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:57:25 -0000
   From: "carinas30" <doggyloo@e...>
Subject: Battery dies,  I become an unregistered user
when hotsyncing, 
Why?

When the battery of my palm died, the
software(shadowplan) went
back to unregistered version and now I have to do the
register steps
again.

Typing in the registration code just like it said to
do when I 
registered won't solve the problem!

I had the same problem until I realized I had two
registration codes---one for the HandHeld and one for
the DeskTop.  Try entering both and you may get lucky!


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Does the shadow desktop support double-bite character?

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, ben6530 wrote:

>    I am a user from taiwan.
>    I find the shadow plan desktop did not support double-bite 
> character (BIG5 Code) when I try to export to htm or xml.
> 
>    Do you have plan to fix it?

	The desktop itself should handle most international locations
without too much problem. I have many chinese and japanese users working,
so I know it does work. Some spradic issues show up depending on versions
of Windows and such.

	But if your problm is only on exports, then lets think about
it; exporting to HTML... probably broken, as you say. I will have to
investigate what BIG5 HTML looks like. I've never looked into it. XML
should be okay I'd think.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: David Torrent Santiago  <davidtorrent@m...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Crashes

Hello

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but yesterday in the list of the projects I saw an entry called _ARCHIVE_
I tried to delete it and the program crashes, "DataMgr.c Line 8589, Index out of Range".
After that I tried to delete another project and crashes again.
Now if I delete a project doesn't crash and the _ARCHIVE_ entry doesn't exist.
I use a palm m105 with no hacks and no programs like afterburner, fastcpu....

Another question, I haven't found a CLOSE (of the open project). I don't see it and the only way to change of the project is with the CFV options at the top.


And about the grantt chart suggestion..i'm waiting for it :)


Thanks.


David.


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 2:43pm
Subject: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

Forgive this indulgence; I have a difficult time moonlighting in
other mailing lists due to the volume of my own here (especially with
catching up on support emails of late. I'm down to the last 300 out of
1900 now though, not including the 400 I've received since returning ;)

	I currently use Action Names, as I got a free copy (in exchange
for a free copy of Shadow to them, as we were both appearing on same CD
distribution and were swapping notes). I don't use a datebook/todo app for
advanced things.. I just need to be able to see whats going on on any
given day, and I like to have ToDo's grouped with Datebook entries. I
dont' use "day views", as that is too limited.. I like to use "week
views", with day-by-day breakdowns. (I don't have time to go paging day by
day to see whats going on in a week. At a glance I want to see a list of
whats going on this week, broken up by day, so I can see week and day at
the same time.

	AN has a list-mode where it displays a blue bar with the day
address in it ("Monday such and such (Today)") type thing. Then below the
heading is the todos and datebook entries for that day (with ToDo items in
the categories I've requested). Then the next day, and so on. I use a
small font on the Clie, so that I can crap much onto the screen. I don't
use fancy filters or icons, since in practice they dont' do anythign I
want in AN. (I think DB[45] have better filters, so may be of use.. but my
needs are simple do its not a biggy for me)

	This looks good (which is important to me), and works well.
Undated ToDos are off the top of the screen though, requiring scrolling,
and AN has really slow at scrolling. (I don't overclock it, as I leave it
showing ewither Shadow or AN most of the time, and don't want to chew up
my batteries with clocked apps ;)

	Does DateBk5 have a comparable view? I know it has a "list view",
but it puts the date on the left in a column, and I think of that as very
wasteful -- most events in a row have the same date. It distracts me from
the content I wish to see. (ie: I haver a dozen todos and/or meetings on
each day. Yes, all of them come from Shadow, more or less, excepting
birthdays and such which come from HappyDays ;)

	If DateBk5 has a comparable Week View, I may switch to it. I know
it has stupid amoutns of features of AN, but I wont' use them.. I just
want a pretty week view ;)

	(Yes, I'm trying to avoid writing a week view application ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Pankratz  <bob@r...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 2:57pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

Yes, very close to that. Bring up the list view, and hit "opt" 
Uncheck all the "Show" options at the bottom, there are three of 
them.  Selection the types of items you want to see at the top. 
And you're done.

You can also save that as a view, and use the new "proxyApps" to 
go straight to that view via a hardware button.


On Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 09:43  AM, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

>
> 	Forgive this indulgence; I have a difficult time moonlighting in
> other mailing lists due to the volume of my own here (especially with
> catching up on support emails of late. I'm down to the last 300 out of
> 1900 now though, not including the 400 I've received since returning ;)
>
> 	I currently use Action Names, as I got a free copy (in exchange
> for a free copy of Shadow to them, as we were both appearing on same CD
> distribution and were swapping notes). I don't use a 
> datebook/todo app for
> advanced things.. I just need to be able to see whats going on on any
> given day, and I like to have ToDo's grouped with Datebook entries. I
> dont' use "day views", as that is too limited.. I like to use "week
> views", with day-by-day breakdowns. (I don't have time to go 
> paging day by
> day to see whats going on in a week. At a glance I want to see 
> a list of
> whats going on this week, broken up by day, so I can see week 
> and day at
> the same time.
>
> 	AN has a list-mode where it displays a blue bar with the day
> address in it ("Monday such and such (Today)") type thing. Then 
> below the
> heading is the todos and datebook entries for that day (with 
> ToDo items in
> the categories I've requested). Then the next day, and so on. I use a
> small font on the Clie, so that I can crap much onto the 
> screen. I don't
> use fancy filters or icons, since in practice they dont' do anythign I
> want in AN. (I think DB[45] have better filters, so may be of 
> use.. but my
> needs are simple do its not a biggy for me)
>
> 	This looks good (which is important to me), and works well.
> Undated ToDos are off the top of the screen though, requiring 
> scrolling,
> and AN has really slow at scrolling. (I don't overclock it, as 
> I leave it
> showing ewither Shadow or AN most of the time, and don't want 
> to chew up
> my batteries with clocked apps ;)
>
> 	Does DateBk5 have a comparable view? I know it has a "list view",
> but it puts the date on the left in a column, and I think of 
> that as very
> wasteful -- most events in a row have the same date. It 
> distracts me from
> the content I wish to see. (ie: I haver a dozen todos and/or 
> meetings on
> each day. Yes, all of them come from Shadow, more or less, excepting
> birthdays and such which come from HappyDays ;)
>
> 	If DateBk5 has a comparable Week View, I may switch to it. I know
> it has stupid amoutns of features of AN, but I wont' use them.. I just
> want a pretty week view ;)
>
> 	(Yes, I'm trying to avoid writing a week view application ;)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:20pm
Subject: Re: Shadow + Sales

On Wed, 8 May 2002, Learned wrote:

> Is the attaching of resources in addition to linking or replacing 
> linking, or will a link be a resource?

	Tagging; I've not decided if tagging will be based on the link
manager type functionality or not; (ie: If establishing tags is done
through the link manager or not). Filtering and sorting will work with the
current systems (much augmented).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Battery dies, I become an unregistered user when hotsyncing, Why?

On Thu, 9 May 2002, carinas30 wrote:

> >Preference database was lost. You'll likely have to reregister
> >most everything and reset options and such.
>  
> The cursor is at the line where I should type in the registration key 
> that was emailed to me. Below that line it says to "Create a HotSnc 
> username!" Please guide me through this!

	Perform a hotsync. (If you're using unix, you'll need to do it
with Windows or a Mac, first). Hotsync Manager is responsible for creating
the hotsync ID on the handheld.

> > again; if you changed hotsync IDs, you'll have to get new regcodes 
> for most applications)
> 
> I did not change hotsync name. It is carina's Palm.
> 
> > If you have registered the handheld, and then the desktop
> > expansion (12.99 and thwen 9.99, and not the 19.99 bundle), then be 
> > sure to enter the handheld code first, then the expansion code.
> 
> Bought the bundle

	Should be a matter of just entering your code in.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:22pm
Subject: Re: Progress Bars On Select Items

On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kevin Brown wrote:

> Forgive me if the answer to this one is obvious, but I can't figure 
> it out.  Is there a way to have progress bars only on select items or 
> a groups of siblings?

	I'm not sure what you mean; the scrollbar is to allow you to go up
and down the viewable list; if you collapse items, hidden items don't
factor into the scrollbars movement and size. 

	If you want separate scrollbars for each level, I'm not sure how
that would be useful or work...

	I must be missing something :)

		jeff

> 
> I generally arrange my todos as follows:
> 
> >  Work
>     > File #1
>        > Task #1
>        > Task #2
>        > Task #3
>     > File #2
>        > Task #1
>        > Task #2
>        > Task #3
>     > File #3
>        > Task #1
>        > Task #2
>        > Task #3
> 
> I'd like to have progress bars at the "File" level only. (Items at 
> the "Task" level are usually discrete items without children.)
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Kevin Brown
> Richmond Hill, Ontario
> mailto:zephyr@t...
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: k_kerruish  <kkerruish@e...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:23pm
Subject: NR70 320/420 support...

Jeff - 

Unsure if this has been brought up yet, but are there any plans to 
support the collapse of the virtual grafitti area on the new 
Clie's?  It would give a lot more real estate for lists...

Thanks!

Ken

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:24pm
Subject: Clie Fun

Any chance of Shadow supporting the Hi-Res+ Sony??  Shadow looks OK as
it is, though I may be playing with the fonts pretty soon. What I would
really like to see is support for the disappearing Graffiti area.

What do you need to make that happen-- development support from Sony, or
an actual unit??  You've got one eager tester right here, so that
front's already covered!

Jen

-------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: Re: Crashes

On Thu, 9 May 2002, David Torrent Santiago wrote:

> I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but yesterday in the list of
> the projects I saw an entry called _ARCHIVE_ I tried to delete it and
> the program crashes, "DataMgr.c Line 8589, Index out of Range". After
> that I tried to delete another project and crashes again.

> Now if I delete a project doesn't crash and the _ARCHIVE_ entry
> doesn't exist.

	When you delete items in a list, and you tap "Archive", the items
are sent to the _ARCHIVE_ file; if it does not exist, it is created. It
resides in the Unfiled category. If you delete it, it will reappear next
time you Archive some items.

	The crash is a mysterious one I'll be investigating in awhile;
typically, it occurs after some series of Shadow upgrades, but it can
occur to peopel who've never upgraded as well. It is entirely harmless,
but annoying. Easily fixed..

	For each list, open the list, open an item details, hit OK, close
the list, and go onto the next list. Opening details, doing nothing,
hitting OK and closing the list is enough to cause the list file to be
"refreshed" (sorted into optimal positioning and such). One or more of
your files must be sorted in sub-optimal layout, and this can sometimes
confuse the rename and deletion pre-scanners. Refreshing the files
eliminates this annoyance.

> Another question, I haven't found a CLOSE (of the open project). I
> don't see it and the only way to change of the project is with the CFV
> options at the top.

	Do you mean, to return to the file selection screen from the list
screen? Hit "Done" or "[X]" at the bottom of the screen ([X] is when you
have the graphical button bar in use). Theres other ways to do it as well.

> And about the grantt chart suggestion..i'm waiting for it :)

	*g*

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Craig Stevens  <nsae1@v...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: Question

Hi Jeff,
	I am a registered user of Shadow Plan and Shadow desk top.
Recently I attempted to export a document out of the desk top. I could
only get it to export the document as an htm document even though I
specified a txt file. It seems that for whatever reason that my only
export option is htm documents. Am I missing something here?

Craig P. Stevens
Director
National School of Academic Equitation Inc.
11901-215th Place SE
Snohomish, WA 98296
(360)668-5242
Fax(360)668-7012
mailto:nsae1@v...
http://www.classical-equitation.com

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

On Thu, 9 May 2002, Bob Pankratz wrote:

> Yes, very close to that. Bring up the list view, and hit "opt" 
> Uncheck all the "Show" options at the bottom, there are three of 
> them.  Selection the types of items you want to see at the top. 
> And you're done.

	(Not that I've got DB5 installes yet ;) but if you turn off the
various options, you end up with a list view, but you cannot tell what day
the items occur on, right? (ie: The only way to get the date represented
is in the column; I'd like the date to be a one line header above the
items belonging to that day. So its present, but not wasteful of space on
each line.)

	Does DB5 support high res (in terms of tiny fonts or low res fonts
on the high res display? :) I'm a sucker for crammage.

> You can also save that as a view, and use the new "proxyApps" to go
> straight to that view via a hardware button.

	The saved views are the main thing I'm interested in (and the
moral upper ground, of course)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: Re: NR70 320/420 support...

On Thu, 9 May 2002, k_kerruish wrote:

> Unsure if this has been brought up yet, but are there any plans to 
> support the collapse of the virtual grafitti area on the new 
> Clie's?  It would give a lot more real estate for lists...

	Yep; I'll be supporting virtual grafitti for Handera and Sony NV
in awhile.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:48pm
Subject: Re: Categories

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, chad10101 wrote:

> Is there any way to get the categories that I set up on my handheld 
> to follow the task to the desktop program?

	If you mean categories of the files themselves, then its on my
medium/low priority list for the desktop; there is so much to be added to
the desktop, that this sort of thing is being pushed down the list.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:49pm
Subject: Re: Todo Tag Line

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, glearned wrote:

> Any thought as to setting up a template for the Todo Tag line? That 
> would allow those of us that use MegaWiki to customize the line for 
> access within MegaWiki for hot links.

	Its possible, but not likely for a long time :) Too many more
pressing things to work on, and there are some complications with having
edittable origin appendings.

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bob Pankratz  <bob@r...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 3:53pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

You get a combination of that:

1) You get a dotted line separator.
2) You lose a four character with for the date label.

I find it works really well. What I do is I use the "compact" 
font hack font family on my palm to I get a ton of information 
on the screen left to right. The combination of the lost 4 
characters plus the extra character width afford by font hack 
yields a net space gain; and you get the benefit of one extra 
item vertically.

On Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 10:32  AM, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> On Thu, 9 May 2002, Bob Pankratz wrote:
>
>> Yes, very close to that. Bring up the list view, and hit "opt"
>> Uncheck all the "Show" options at the bottom, there are three of
>> them.  Selection the types of items you want to see at the top.
>> And you're done.
>
> 	(Not that I've got DB5 installes yet ;) but if you turn off the
> various options, you end up with a list view, but you cannot 
> tell what day
> the items occur on, right? (ie: The only way to get the date 
> represented
> is in the column; I'd like the date to be a one line header above the
> items belonging to that day. So its present, but not wasteful 
> of space on
> each line.)
>
> 	Does DB5 support high res (in terms of tiny fonts or low res fonts
> on the high res display? :) I'm a sucker for crammage.
>
>> You can also save that as a view, and use the new "proxyApps" to go
>> straight to that view via a hardware button.
>
> 	The saved views are the main thing I'm interested in (and the
> moral upper ground, of course)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> I use a
> small font on the Clie, so that I can crap much onto the screen. I 
don't
> use fancy filters or icons, since in practice they dont' do 
anythign I
> want in AN. (I think DB[45] have better filters, so may be of 
use.. but my
> needs are simple do its not a biggy for me)
>

If it's crap much onto the screen, I think Action Names is for you ;-
)
 
What Bob mentioned should work for you. You might also look at 
Pimlico's Weekview product...I've not used it in a hella long time, 
but I believe it will also do what you wish.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Garbled Screen Problems on Clie

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, robermax53 wrote:

> Some of my old outlines showed up as garbled screens that would crash
> my Clie 615. I've deleted these but I still see them clearly on the
> desktop and would like to reinstall. How do I do this?
> I'm aslo going to update to latest Shadow.

	Updating fixes you up; there is a bug in the Clie OS that when
using Highres Assist, and certain drawing operations, the unit
wedges. Newer Shadows won't let you enable the options which crash the
unit in this configuration.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jimegly  <jegly@n...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: It could happen to Shadow Plan!

A Palm user has posted a petition at 
http://www.petitiononline.com/iambic/petition.html against Iambic's 
recent actions.

I have just signed the petition myself, I would encourage others who 
feel Iambic's actions were unethical to do the same.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:16pm
Subject: Re: Question

On Thu, 9 May 2002, Craig Stevens wrote:

> 	I am a registered user of Shadow Plan and Shadow desk top.
> Recently I attempted to export a document out of the desk top. I could
> only get it to export the document as an htm document even though I
> specified a txt file. It seems that for whatever reason that my only
> export option is htm documents. Am I missing something here?

	You must pick both the export tyype, and change the filename to
the correct extension. A bug in the toolkit causes the app to not change
the filename, and then Shadow goes and choses the wrong type. (ie: Pick
text, and then change it to .txt on the filename)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Clie Fun

On Thu, 9 May 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> Any chance of Shadow supporting the Hi-Res+ Sony??  Shadow looks OK as
> it is, though I may be playing with the fonts pretty soon. What I would
> really like to see is support for the disappearing Graffiti area.

	Yep, will happen (on Handera and Clie).

> What do you need to make that happen-- development support from Sony,
> or an actual unit??  You've got one eager tester right here, so that
> front's already covered!

	I wish I had a unit to test on, but they wont' be in Canada till
Sept or October, and they're likely too expensive for me to justify for
awhile anyway. But assumign Sony puts out the devkit for it, I'll bne okay
anf you can test it :P

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: Re: Response to my critics

Steve:
Poor reasoning...you imply since others do it, then Iambic's actions should be no big deal.  Your thinking is not an example I care to follow...in fact, you sound like you may work at Iambic with your reasoning.  Step above it all, and be critical of all who do it, not merely selective as you seem to be.  Everyone makes mistakes, and the question of intent clearly comes into play.  Obviously Iambic had an intent to harm, no matter how small you may believe that harm to be.  Step up to the plate, quit pointing to others to divert attention away from the conduct at issue, and call it what it truly is...unethical conduct!  Enjoy the day!
Kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve O. 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:05 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Response to my critics


   I'm sure the domain-buying thing was some
  amoral computer geek's bright idea in their office.  What harm has been done?  Do you believe Datebook 5 lost even a
  single sale because of this prank?

  For those of you with such a fine moral sense, what about Microsoft's
  search-and-destroy method of targetting competitors?  

  I just think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.  What harm
  was done to Datebook here?  In a society where cheating and dishonesty are
  becoming more and more accepted, a story like this doesn't even show up on
  my radar.  




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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:18pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

On Thu, 9 May 2002, Bob Pankratz wrote:

> You get a combination of that:
> 
> 1) You get a dotted line separator.
> 2) You lose a four character with for the date label.
> 
> I find it works really well. What I do is I use the "compact" 
> font hack font family on my palm to I get a ton of information 
> on the screen left to right. The combination of the lost 4 
> characters plus the extra character width afford by font hack 
> yields a net space gain; and you get the benefit of one extra 
> item vertically.

	The date column is utter waste, and I just can't stand it ;) If
its broken by day, the date column is redundant. It seems a bad design
decision, really, to have a date column and any day separator. It probably
should be one or the other, optionally, depending on your configuration
choices and preference. (I'm in high res, too, so if he supports it, I've
got the space already. I just dislike wasting a column when it is 100%
unnecessary :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mvesty  <mvesty@y...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:47pm
Subject: A couple of bugs

There are a couple of bugs in SP:
1) In the list view, if you have a large number of lists
(which seems to happen pretty quickly ;)  scroll arrows will appear at
the top and bottom of the screen. 

You are unable to display the context menu (click the upside down
triangle thingy) on items next to the scroll arrows (top and bottom).

2) I can not cut, copy, or paste using /x /c or /p  in the
mini-editor. It's okay elsewhere.

3) Copy and pasting then deleting a link with a TODO link causes the
system to hang.  I'll have to play around and get the exact sequence. 

Palm m505, SP 2.2.1

-- Matt

From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 6:51pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

While it's not a Pimlico product, MyWeek is another alternative. I think it
has everything you want, including the small font. $10US shareware with a
14 day free trial. Check it out at:

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=39458

Scott

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Re: A couple of bugs

On Thu, 9 May 2002, mvesty wrote:

> 1) In the list view, if you have a large number of lists
> (which seems to happen pretty quickly ;)  scroll arrows will appear at
> the top and bottom of the screen. 
> 
> You are unable to display the context menu (click the upside down
> triangle thingy) on items next to the scroll arrows (top and bottom).

	This is related to a bug in the OS; on older OS versions, the file
ops arrow shows up clobbered by the up/down scxroll arrows. On newer
versions, this doesn't happen. In both cases, tapping area is a little
funny, due to the arrows. I'll be fixing this soon.

> 2) I can not cut, copy, or paste using /x /c or /p  in the
> mini-editor. It's okay elsewhere.

	A bug in the OS. I'm undecided what to do at this time. I may make
a fix for OS4 and later, and leavbe it weird for earlier OS versions.

> 3) Copy and pasting then deleting a link with a TODO link causes the
> system to hang.  I'll have to play around and get the exact sequence.

	Let me know.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Alan Macdougall  <dubh@c...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:30pm
Subject: Re: Progress Bars On Select Items

On 8/5/02 at 10:26 PM, zephyr@t... (Kevin Brown) wrote:

> Is there a way to have progress bars only on
> select items or a groups of siblings?

Yes (if I understand what you are asking) - this is a pretty cool feature I
reckon.  

Just open the item. You can change the item's type to "Tasklist" in the
drop down menu in the top right hand corner of the screen.

cheers

Alan

-- 

                Bìonn caora dhubh ar an trèad is gile.
          (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)

                <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/dubh/>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:32pm
Subject: Re: OT ? about Clie

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 smasters@a... wrote:

> I know you have used HandStory. Have you noticed that when you sync stuff
> from HandStory that it skips Shadow and DocstoGo? In the morning I have to
> sync twice, once to get my HandStory clips, and then to sync SP and Docs
> toGo. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this. TIA

	I do use Handstory (cool program; but why does it support highres
font sin web clips, but not memos?). I'v enever noticed it skipping
Shadow. If it does, I'll be alarmed.. and it'd be their bug, most
likely. But I'm pretty sure it works okay. Perhaps grab a later HandStory
(2.1 just came out)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: adnohr68  <adnohr-list@c...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 7:57pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

Jeff,
It's not utter waste, it's essential! (For me :))  But, I like the 
idea of it being optional, maybe you should make a request to CESD 
over on the pimlicodatebk group??  Maybe I will later.  
What I like even more is that you are giving datebk5 a try!  Can 
datebook categories be far behind???  Just try it, you'll love it, I 
swear!

rls.  <-- Just deleted TinySheet.  There's friendlier alternatives. 


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	The date column is utter waste, and I just can't stand it ;) 
If
> its broken by day, the date column is redundant. It seems a bad 
design
> decision, really, to have a date column and any day separator. It 
probably
> should be one or the other, optionally, depending on your 
configuration
> choices and preference. (I'm in high res, too, so if he supports 
it, I've
> got the space already. I just dislike wasting a column when it is 
100%
> unnecessary :)
> 
> 		jeff_Tron_

From: geowyner  <gwyner@b...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: New From crashes

I am having the same problem.  The only control on the New From 
dialogue that does not cause this crash (for me) is the "Link Back" 
checkbox.

I have lots of hacks installed, but I am wondering if the issue may 
relate to the size of the todo list?

My To Do list has 1244 records (168K)

I have a IIIc with 400K free out of 8M.  OS 3.5
X-Master and a slew of hacks, RecoEcho, WordComplete, Trapweaver.

Awesome product (currently evaluating, expect to buy shortly)

regards,

George Wyner

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kitara" <kitara@y...> wrote:
> Visor Prism, Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> Shadow 2.2.1
> No Hacks, FitalyStamp as an application/utility
> ActionNames Datebook 5.1 build 191
> 
> New From gives me this  Fatal Alert error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450,
> Invalid chunk ptr".  I get this error if i click either of the
> checkboxes for Undated or Completed or if i click the Done box.  I 
am
> able to hit the Reset button and start over.  
> 
> Interestingly enough, the first three times i had done this i had
> added a item to the list which was automatically linked to the ToDo
> Llist.  Since I had to do a soft reset that item wasn't saved in
> shadow but it was on my todo list in AN.  I ended up with 3 copies
> (with minor variations) in AN.
> 
> I also noticed (when i was looking for the OS version) that the main
> launcher info screen said that i have no space left in RAM,  when i 
am
> running silverscreen it takes into account that i have a MemPlug 
with
> PiDirect and shows 1.8 MB free.  If I remove the card the main
> launcher info screen shows 1.8 MB free.  
> 
> OT question to list:  Is there a launcher that recognizes categories
> on a Visor/MemPlug/PiDirect operating situation?  I have to move all
> my programs back to their respective categories after each reset so
> that I can see them (other than in unfiled).  If i just use the
> standard launcher the category is kept after a reset, but as above,
> other funny things happen.
> 
> I'm considering replacing a few of the programs i purchased last 
year
> (as my needs have changed).  not shadow, though.  it's still top 
notch!
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give,
> deanna

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

On Thu, 9 May 2002, adnohr68 wrote:

> It's not utter waste, it's essential! (For me :))  But, I like the
> idea of it being optional, maybe you should make a request to CESD
> over on the pimlicodatebk group??  Maybe I will later.  What I like
> even more is that you are giving datebk5 a try!  Can datebook
> categories be far behind???  Just try it, you'll love it, I swear!

	I know I'd like it, but I don't need it (or AN for that matter). I
need only a little week view, an AN has it, and I got AN for free. But as
a developer, I'm moving from AN to DateBk to show my support for the Right
Thing. Hopefully DB5 will do it as I'd like in awhile, or I'll have to
build my own week view :)  

	(And to me, the date column is total waste. Given 10 items in a
row, all the same, then repeating the same date is not useful. Put one
line with the date, then list items on that date below. That is way
superior use of space, for someone like me. But if you have disparate
dated items, in random order or the like, then you need a date column.)

	I'll give it a shot. I always liked the split view mode, from
years ago when he first built it :)

		jeff

> 
> rls.  <-- Just deleted TinySheet.  There's friendlier alternatives. 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 	The date column is utter waste, and I just can't stand it ;) 
> If
> > its broken by day, the date column is redundant. It seems a bad 
> design
> > decision, really, to have a date column and any day separator. It 
> probably
> > should be one or the other, optionally, depending on your 
> configuration
> > choices and preference. (I'm in high res, too, so if he supports 
> it, I've
> > got the space already. I just dislike wasting a column when it is 
> 100%
> > unnecessary :)
> > 
> > 		jeff_Tron_
> 
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Michael Heintz  <mkheintz@e...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: RE: Response to my critics

> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve O.
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:05 PM
>   Subject: [shadow-discuss] Response to my critics
>
>   For those of you with such a fine moral sense, what about Microsoft's
>   search-and-destroy method of targetting competitors?

Ah yes, but we have come to expect this type of behavior from Microsoft.
The Palm market seemed to have more friendly competition.  Of course you
could argue that the PC market was more friendly in the past.  Remember that
Microsoft's Visual C++ was strengthened by competition with Borland.  Maybe
Iambic's actions are a sign that our market is "maturing."

Mike

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: New From crashes

On Thu, 9 May 2002, geowyner wrote:

> I am having the same problem.  The only control on the New From 
> dialogue that does not cause this crash (for me) is the "Link Back" 
> checkbox.

	Just back from vacation. Can you redetail how the crash occurs?
Someone had some details a month ago too, I need to dig up, so I can
figure out what the issue is. (Bear with me, answering 2300 emails in 1
week has destroyed my mind)

> I have lots of hacks installed, but I am wondering if the issue may 
> relate to the size of the todo list?
> 
> My To Do list has 1244 records (168K)
> 
> I have a IIIc with 400K free out of 8M.  OS 3.5
> X-Master and a slew of hacks, RecoEcho, WordComplete, Trapweaver.

	More memory may be useful, but isn't needed.. your free memory
count doesn't count the runtiem memory, which is reserved by the
OS. Shadow uses storage memory for caching, so you need to have
some.. ideally half as much or full as much as the file you're opening, to
be safe.

> Awesome product (currently evaluating, expect to buy shortly)

	Thanks. Glad you dig it ;)

		jeff

> 
> regards,
> 
> George Wyner
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kitara" <kitara@y...> wrote:
> > Visor Prism, Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > Shadow 2.2.1
> > No Hacks, FitalyStamp as an application/utility
> > ActionNames Datebook 5.1 build 191
> > 
> > New From gives me this  Fatal Alert error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450,
> > Invalid chunk ptr".  I get this error if i click either of the
> > checkboxes for Undated or Completed or if i click the Done box.  I 
> am
> > able to hit the Reset button and start over.  
> > 
> > Interestingly enough, the first three times i had done this i had
> > added a item to the list which was automatically linked to the ToDo
> > Llist.  Since I had to do a soft reset that item wasn't saved in
> > shadow but it was on my todo list in AN.  I ended up with 3 copies
> > (with minor variations) in AN.
> > 
> > I also noticed (when i was looking for the OS version) that the main
> > launcher info screen said that i have no space left in RAM,  when i 
> am
> > running silverscreen it takes into account that i have a MemPlug 
> with
> > PiDirect and shows 1.8 MB free.  If I remove the card the main
> > launcher info screen shows 1.8 MB free.  
> > 
> > OT question to list:  Is there a launcher that recognizes categories
> > on a Visor/MemPlug/PiDirect operating situation?  I have to move all
> > my programs back to their respective categories after each reset so
> > that I can see them (other than in unfiled).  If i just use the
> > standard launcher the category is kept after a reset, but as above,
> > other funny things happen.
> > 
> > I'm considering replacing a few of the programs i purchased last 
> year
> > (as my needs have changed).  not shadow, though.  it's still top 
> notch!
> > 
> > Thanks for any help you can give,
> > deanna
> 
> 
> 
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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> 
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> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: George Wyner  <gwyner@b...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: New From crashes

The following 3 steps guarantee a crash on my machine:

Open a list (if not already open)
Choose New From
Click on the Done button

Result:

Fatal Alert.  MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450, Invalid chunk ptr

-- 2300 emails!  hang in there!... ;-)

At 04:36 PM 5/9/02 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 9 May 2002, geowyner wrote:
>
> > I am having the same problem.  The only control on the New From
> > dialogue that does not cause this crash (for me) is the "Link Back"
> > checkbox.
>
>       Just back from vacation. Can you redetail how the crash occurs?
>Someone had some details a month ago too, I need to dig up, so I can
>figure out what the issue is. (Bear with me, answering 2300 emails in 1
>week has destroyed my mind)
>


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From: cdraus  <cdraus@y...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 10:13pm
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
<snip> 
> 	AN has a list-mode where it displays a blue bar with the day
> address in it ("Monday such and such (Today)") type thing. Then 
below the
> heading is the todos and datebook entries for that day (with ToDo 
items in
> the categories I've requested). Then the next day, and so on. I use 
a
> small font on the Clie, so that I can crap much onto the screen. I 
don't
> use fancy filters or icons, since in practice they dont' do 
anythign I
> want in AN. (I think DB[45] have better filters, so may be of use.. 
but my
> needs are simple do its not a biggy for me)
</snip>

There is also DateBk5's 3rd week view. I think it is closer to the AN 
format you like than a custom list view. And it doesn't have the 
wasted column problem.

From: Kevin Brown  <zephyr@t...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 11:08pm
Subject: Re: Progress Bars On Select Items

At 7:17 PM +0000 5/9/02, shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>Message: 6
>    Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:22:35 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Subject: Re: Progress Bars On Select Items
>
>On Wed, 8 May 2002, Kevin Brown wrote:
>
>>  Forgive me if the answer to this one is obvious, but I can't figure
>>  it out.  Is there a way to have progress bars only on select items or
>>  a groups of siblings?
>
>	I'm not sure what you mean; the scrollbar is to allow you to go up
>and down the viewable list; if you collapse items, hidden items don't
>factor into the scrollbars movement and size.
>
>	If you want separate scrollbars for each level, I'm not sure how
>that would be useful or work...
>
>	I must be missing something :)
>
>		jeff


Sorry about the confusion. I'm not referring to the scrollbars at 
all. I mean the little graphical gewgaws that show in 10% increments 
how much of the task has been completed. (In the documentation, you 
refer to them as "progress bars" so I'd figured you knew what I 
meant.)

Turning to my example, I'm only interested in knowing what percentage 
of "File #1" or "File #2" is completed. I don't want progress bars 
for any of the other levels as they don't tell me anything useful and 
tend to clutter up the screen.

I hope this is clear now...


>  >
>>  I generally arrange my todos as follows:
>>
>>  >  Work
>>      > File #1
>>         > Task #1
>>         > Task #2
>>         > Task #3
>>      > File #2
>>         > Task #1
>>         > Task #2
>>         > Task #3
>>      > File #3
>>         > Task #1
>>         > Task #2
>>         > Task #3
>>
>>  I'd like to have progress bars at the "File" level only. (Items at
>  > the "Task" level are usually discrete items without children.)

-- 
Kevin Brown
Richmond Hill, Ontario
mailto:zephyr@t...

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 5:56am
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2002, adnohr68 wrote:
> 
> > It's not utter waste, it's essential! (For me :))  But, I like the
> > idea of it being optional, maybe you should make a request to CESD
> > over on the pimlicodatebk group??  Maybe I will later.  What I
like
> > even more is that you are giving datebk5 a try!  Can datebook
> > categories be far behind???  Just try it, you'll love it, I swear!
> 
> 	I know I'd like it, but I don't need it (or AN for that matter). I
> need only a little week view, an AN has it, and I got AN for free.
But as
> a developer, I'm moving from AN to DateBk to show my support for the
Right
> Thing. Hopefully DB5 will do it as I'd like in awhile, or I'll have
to
> build my own week view :)  
<snip>

I could be wrong ... wait let me go check ....

Yup, I was right... try this ...

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?
sid=84851420011214235327&prodID=1162

(oops, link wraps, so you'll have to piece it together or search on
"Weekview" at Palmgear )

Palmgear link to "WeekView" (a Pimlico application) for giving you
*just* that pretty week view you're looking for... *and* the peace of
mind you desire! (do I sound like Madison Ave. yet?)

...So if you decide to write one... you can't call it "Weekview" ;)

Ken

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 9:18am
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

Someone has recently asked (in the Datebk discussion group) for exactly 
what Jeff wants; bearing in mind how responsive CESD (Datebk's creator) is 
to requests, I reckon that, within 24 hours, CESD will either confirm the 
changes will be implemented or explain exactly why it is either not 
possible or not desirable! I will copy any such reply to this list, if you like

Meanwhile: there is no way of getting rid of the date column in list view; 
weekly view is presumably too jumbled and crammed for your liking in its 
"single week" format, but have you tried the "3-day format" for size?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Progress Bars On Select Items

On Thu, 9 May 2002, Kevin Brown wrote:

> Sorry about the confusion. I'm not referring to the scrollbars at all.
> I mean the little graphical gewgaws that show in 10% increments how
> much of the task has been completed. (In the documentation, you refer
> to them as "progress bars" so I'd figured you knew what I meant.)

	Doh :)

> Turning to my example, I'm only interested in knowing what percentage
> of "File #1" or "File #2" is completed. I don't want progress bars for
> any of the other levels as they don't tell me anything useful and tend
> to clutter up the screen.
> 
> I hope this is clear now...

	Theres a few ways of doing this; a complex but powerful way of
doing it is to customize the "type" of the child objects; for instance,
have the list deault type be "Note" or "Checklist" or "Custom", so that
all items are that type. Then change the parent (File) types to
"Tasklist", so that they have progress bars. Changing (overriding) the
item type is done in the full screen Details window, in the top right.
(Where a category popup normally is, I have a type override popup).

	Using this method, with customizable types, is very conveniant.
More customizable slots will be added very soon, too.

		jeff

> 
> 
> >  >
> >>  I generally arrange my todos as follows:
> >>
> >>  >  Work
> >>      > File #1
> >>         > Task #1
> >>         > Task #2
> >>         > Task #3
> >>      > File #2
> >>         > Task #1
> >>         > Task #2
> >>         > Task #3
> >>      > File #3
> >>         > Task #1
> >>         > Task #2
> >>         > Task #3
> >>
> >>  I'd like to have progress bars at the "File" level only. (Items at
> >  > the "Task" level are usually discrete items without children.)
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 0:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Justin Nelson wrote:

> Someone has recently asked (in the Datebk discussion group) for exactly 
> what Jeff wants; bearing in mind how responsive CESD (Datebk's creator) is 
> to requests, I reckon that, within 24 hours, CESD will either confirm the 
> changes will be implemented or explain exactly why it is either not 
> possible or not desirable! I will copy any such reply to this list, if you like

	Thanks :)

> Meanwhile: there is no way of getting rid of the date column in list view; 
> weekly view is presumably too jumbled and crammed for your liking in its 
> "single week" format, but have you tried the "3-day format" for size?

	I just foun that, and it seems almost useful.. except again, it
too wastes space, for days when there isn't much going on. The AN view is
almost perfect in a way, for how I do things.. if it looped to next week
(a "rolling 7 day window") it'd be perfect -- it wastes no space, and
combines todos and datebooks into a list of running events.

	This is one arena in which AN has DB5 beet -- DB5 is slow to come
up, and its week views aren't as clean or useful.

	The 3 day view, without wasting space (ie: If theres nothing going
on in a day, which leave it blank?), instead sliding it up to show the
next day.. that would be perfect :)

--- Wednesday Such and Such ---
[] todo
[] todo
datebook event
datebook event
--- Thursday Such and Such ---
[] todo
datebook
--- Friday Such and Such ---
datebook
--- Saturday Such and Such ---
[] todo
[] todo
[] todo

	That sort of thing. Great summary.

		jeff

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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: grn_white  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 1:58pm
Subject: Categories lost after hard reset

Jeff,  Welcome back.

A few days ago there was a message about losing categories after a 
hard reset.  I just had the same thing happen.  My IIIxe crashed when 
uninstalling a hack and a soft reset would not bring it back to life. 
I had no choice but to hard reset.  After restoration, all my Shadow 
files appear to be there, but I lost my categories - and it will take 
a long long time to put all my files back where they belong.  Is there 
any way to get those categories back now. - I am registered for the HH 
but not the desktop, so I don't have the luxury of using the desktop 
categories to fix everything -(heck, I can't even remember where 
everything goes). Quick Help would be appreciated.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 3:45pm
Subject: Re: Categories lost after hard reset

On Fri, 10 May 2002, grn_white wrote:

> A few days ago there was a message about losing categories after a
> hard reset.  I just had the same thing happen.  My IIIxe crashed when
> uninstalling a hack and a soft reset would not bring it back to life.  
> I had no choice but to hard reset.  After restoration, all my Shadow
> files appear to be there, but I lost my categories - and it will take
> a long long time to put all my files back where they belong.  Is there
> any way to get those categories back now. - I am registered for the HH
> but not the desktop, so I don't have the luxury of using the desktop
> categories to fix everything -(heck, I can't even remember where
> everything goes). Quick Help would be appreciated.

	The ShadCat file shoudl be backed up, but is not. My oversight. I
thought I'd fixed that issue long ago, but apparently did not. You'll have
to reset them, knowing that in a soon update ShadCat will be backed up.

	you can change categories pretty quickly.. go to All, and use the
file operations popmenu on the right of each file to change categories.
You can zip down through 100 files pretty quick.. take you a couple
minutes only.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: grn_white  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 4:13pm
Subject: Re: Categories lost after hard reset

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	The ShadCat file shoudl be backed up, but is not. My 
oversight. I
> thought I'd fixed that issue long ago, but apparently did not. 
You'll have
> to reset them, knowing that in a soon update ShadCat will be backed 
up.
> 
> 	you can change categories pretty quickly.. go to All, and use 
the
> file operations popmenu on the right of each file to change 
categories.
> You can zip down through 100 files pretty quick.. take you a couple
> minutes only.
> 
> 		jeff

Jeff, I have confirmed that the backup flag for ShadCat is not on.

Would ShadCat be archived anywhere that I could use an older file to 
start building from?  Can't locate it on my harddrive, but I haven't 
looked that hard.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 5:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: Categories lost after hard reset

On Fri, 10 May 2002, grn_white wrote:

> Jeff, I have confirmed that the backup flag for ShadCat is not on.
> 
> Would ShadCat be archived anywhere that I could use an older file to 
> start building from?  Can't locate it on my harddrive, but I haven't 
> looked that hard.

	Nope; it would only be backed up by Hotsync Manager; if you use
Backup Buddy, you would have it, however.

		jeff

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mvesty  <mvesty@y...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 7:11pm
Subject: Re: A couple of bugs

> > 3) Copy and pasting then deleting a link with a TODO link causes 
the
> > system to hang.  I'll have to play around and get the exact 
sequence.

Create a list:
Create an item with a todo link
copy the item to the clipboard.
delete the item.
switch to another file.
paste the clipboard.

Sometimed this happens with cut checked and uncheck too. 

-- Matt

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: A couple of bugs

Anyone else have a problem doing this? Seems to work fine for
me... (Clie N760)

		jeff

On Fri, 10 May 2002, mvesty wrote:

> > > 3) Copy and pasting then deleting a link with a TODO link causes 
> the
> > > system to hang.  I'll have to play around and get the exact 
> sequence.
> 
> Create a list:
> Create an item with a todo link
> copy the item to the clipboard.
> delete the item.
> switch to another file.
> paste the clipboard.
> 
> Sometimed this happens with cut checked and uncheck too. 
> 
> -- Matt
> 
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From: mvesty  <mvesty@y...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 8:57pm
Subject: Re: A couple of bugs

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Anyone else have a problem doing this? Seems to work fine for
> me... (Clie N760)
> 
> 		jeff
> 

Hmmmm, I'm retrying this now and it is not reproducing. Somewhere 
along the way the memery manager is gettng a null pointer and locks 
up the system. 

I've been shuffling tasks around different lists and this has bitten 
me several times. 

BTW this is on a Palm m505.

From: mvesty  <mvesty@y...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 9:03pm
Subject: Re: A couple of bugs

Oh yeah, I've also set this up to append origin information to linked 
items.

From: Tian Li  <tian@m...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: Viewing notes cause sync duplicated entry

Hi, all,

I have been using Shadow plan for a long time, but just started to use the
desktop. Here is what happens:

1. on hand held, click an item's note icon to see the content
2. click on cancel on hand held
3. modify some content on desktop
4. sync

Then you get two entries. It seems that accessing note content and
CANCELLING out is counted as a modification.

Is this supposed to happen?

Tian

From: dal1mdm  <solafide20@h...>
Date: Fri May 10, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Lite?

I too have found Shadow difficult to assimilate. I'm making some 
ground now though. There are so many customizable features (like the 
new graphical view) that you're bound to come up with a setting that 
works for you at some point. I keep trying, deleting, and 
reinstalling too.



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, ylmir000 wrote:
> 
> > Will there be a simple version of ShadowPlan?
> 
> 	Maybe. I know the interface to Shadow is "complex"; you may 
have
> noticed a trend over the last cople months and releases of me 
refusing
> more and more GUI modifications (or putting them off), and working 
on
> cleaning things up a little (easier to navigate preferences than 
before,
> for example). I intend on simplifying the GUI a little (without 
losing
> any of the power) -- simply reorganizing a little.
> 
> 	(For example, when I add more customizable types, I'll add a
> Customize section where you can name the customizations, and set 
them
> up. Then I can remove the cusotmizations stuff from List 
Preferences, and
> maybe move the remaining stuff to List Preferences and have a simple
> filename-only new-file screen, and maybe let you pick from existing 
files
> to copy their layout. This would make creasitng new files easier 
for new
> people, and keep things more organized for oldbies.)
> 
> 	Its a long ongoing process to figure out what people want and 
need
> and I'm trying to address it.
> 
> 	Suggestions are welcome.. lots of analysis to do :)
> 
> > I had tried it twice in the last year (as I really need a nice 
ToDo
> > program, and SP looks like the one for me), but it is too 
complicated
> > for some folks...me :-). And I always ended up deleting it after 
a few
> > days. I read the manual fully, but I just couldn't get used to it,
> > especially there are too many features that I dont need. So, will
> > there ever be a Lite version of SP?
> 
> 	Hard to say.
> 
> 	I have considered often making a simple todo/datebook/Shadow
> viewer .. something that shows a summary of important looking info, 
and
> tieing into the existing databases and applications. (ie: No 
fighting with
> AN or DateBk, but giving simple useful fast views of the data, 
including
> Shadow and some other apps)
> 
> > (If this topic had been discussed, I apologize.)
> 
> 	Asking questions is good :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 1:55am
Subject: Re: Re: ShadowPlan Lite?

On Fri, 10 May 2002, dal1mdm wrote:

> I too have found Shadow difficult to assimilate. I'm making some
> ground now though. There are so many customizable features (like the
> new graphical view) that you're bound to come up with a setting that
> works for you at some point. I keep trying, deleting, and reinstalling
> too.

	It should not be necessary to delete and reinstall. At worst, make
a list to experiment with, fiddle with options, and delete that list if
you don't need it anymore.

	Ask away.. we'll always answer your questions :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 2:00am
Subject: Re: Viewing notes cause sync duplicated entry

On Fri, 10 May 2002, Tian Li wrote:

> I have been using Shadow plan for a long time, but just started to use the
> desktop. Here is what happens:
> 
> 1. on hand held, click an item's note icon to see the content
> 2. click on cancel on hand held
> 3. modify some content on desktop
> 4. sync
> 
> Then you get two entries. It seems that accessing note content and
> CANCELLING out is counted as a modification.

	OKay, so yuo have the pref set so tapping note icon goes right to
the note editor? A cancel should not flag the item as having
changed. Duplication should only occur if you are changing it on both the
desktop and the handheld, or when using multiple machines and doing
various things.

	I've checked and verified this note dirtying behaviour. It is
fixed for the next release :) Thanks for the find.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: David Prentice  <dprentic@m...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Week View in AN / DB[45]

What you're trying to do doesn't work (presently) in the list view mode.
List view is optimized vertically to put a long list of items on the screen
at once. Inserting seperator bars into list view would defeat the purpose of
this view for many people. I, for example, use list view with multiple
custom views to sort out only those specific appointments that appear in
certain categories. For example, I have a custom view based on list view for
"Birthdays". Inserting a seperator line for each date would cut the number
of birthdays that can be displayed by half.

Maybe CESD is working on an option for list view. I know from stuff he's
said on the pdbk list that list view is an incredibly popular mode for a lot
of people. Surely some of them would like an optional seperator line and no
date column.

However, you can get what you want already with the weekly view mode, not
list view. The weekly view button is the one with two rows of three dots
each, and itself has three different modes of "weekly view". This is
governed by the little number-box on the top bar. Weekly-1 is a one-week at
a glance mode. Weekly-2 gives you two weeks in two columns. Weekly-3 is a
three-day view mode. In all of these modes, there are seperator lines for
day/date.

Personally, I find all three of the weekly view modes to be useless unless I
am working within a custom view that is set to filter and show only a subset
of my logged/scheduled appointments. For example, I normally cull out
church-related meetings in list view with a custom view, but sometimes find
it more useful to browse them in a weekly mode. The downside of the weekly-1
and weekly-2 views for this purpose is that sunday is squeezed to minimal
space on the assumption that people want more space for weekdays. I've also
used the weekly view in a custom view in the past to display only
breakfast/lunch appointments.

David

Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: [Offtopic] Week View in AN / DB[45]

On Thu, 9 May 2002, adnohr68 wrote:

> It's not utter waste, it's essential! (For me :))  But, I like the
> idea of it being optional, maybe you should make a request to CESD
> over on the pimlicodatebk group??  Maybe I will later.  What I like
> even more is that you are giving datebk5 a try!  Can datebook
> categories be far behind???  Just try it, you'll love it, I swear!

I know I'd like it, but I don't need it (or AN for that matter). I
need only a little week view, an AN has it, and I got AN for free. But as
a developer, I'm moving from AN to DateBk to show my support for the Right
Thing. Hopefully DB5 will do it as I'd like in awhile, or I'll have to
build my own week view :)

(And to me, the date column is total waste. Given 10 items in a
row, all the same, then repeating the same date is not useful. Put one
line with the date, then list items on that date below. That is way
superior use of space, for someone like me. But if you have disparate
dated items, in random order or the like, then you need a date column.)

I'll give it a shot. I always liked the split view mode, from
years ago when he first built it :)