From: Eric Pignot  <eric.pignot@c...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:57pm
Subject: hours fields (duration)

This feature was maybe already asked several times, and there are perhaps
very good reasons not to implement it, but I would still like to ask it once
more, in case if :-)

Would it be possible to have a new field for each TODO that would be a
"duration" field ?
I would like to be able to record easily how many hours I've spent on each
task....
(ideally, I would like 2 fields :
- number of hours expected
- number of hours already done )

I know this is not a standart field of the Palm TODO db, but I think it is
one that would make sense to add (IMHO)...


Other Request (perhaps more simple) :
- I like to suppress the title word-wrap (in pref/option of a list), so the
title stays on one line.
But would it be possible to auto. supress the title word-wrap for an item,
when the note is expanded ? (by clicking on the note icon near the title for
example...). I think that word-wrap on title doesn't make sense when the
note is expanded.


Anyway, thank a lot for this great program :-)


--
Eric Pignot
PGP key on request

From: grn_white  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:12pm
Subject: Re: single vs. multiple lists

I have many lists - @75
In my business I have a number of seperate 'projects' that start and 
stop at random times (and often outside of my direct control).  I have 
seperate lists for each project so I can easily deal with this 
phenomenon.  I also have 'projects' from different clients, so it 
makes it easier from a client management point of view to have 
seperate lists.  In fact my TOC lists are organized by client ( I have 
a seperate TOC list for each client - in a seperate TOC category).  I 
find it easier to find what I want, rather than multiple levels in 1 
list (which also presents too much clutter on the screen for me). I 
also use seperate planning lists on larger projects(which I link to 
the master project list by file link).  I do this because I often will 
take those lists and export them to Doc for import into access or word 
files on my desktop - saves exporting info I don't want to (that is 
until we get individual item export  - hint, hint Jeff.) 
Jeff's addition of the To DO origin has been a godsend for management 
of multiple lists - as I manage my to do's from all lists with To Do 
Plus.  I think each person's use is dependent on their personal 
preferences and more importantly, on the demands of their business.  
The beauty of Shadow is that is compatible with different uses.  Just 
some ideas for thought (since you asked).

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "tarasofsky" <Tarasofsky@t...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Jeff said that I had posted the message below to the wrong list 
> (Shadow-tips), so I am posting it here:
> 
> I have noticed that some people in this group set up several Shadow 
> lists, even within the same project (e.g. Jeff). I have recently 
> been wondering about that, and have now experimented a little and 
> merged all my business lists into one big list. I think I actually 
> prefer it this way, since I can use the filters to see ALL my 
> business deadlines for the day, etc. By using the zoom function, I 
> am able to hone in on the particular parts I need to see at the 
> moment. And even though that list if pretty long, it seems that the 
> amount of data space available is very large, i.e. I appear to be 
> able to keep adding and adding.
> 
> So my question to this group is: what are the advantages of having 
> multiple lists? I would be very interested in hearing how other 
> people get even more mileage from separating their lists than from 
> consolidating them.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Richard

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 465

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> i agree with you completely Jeff, and think microsoft sucks in soooo
> many ways, usually returning to those behind their scenes as the
> mindset that allows for such.  now the racism thing, very much apples
> and oranges there, about the only thing i didn't see fitting into the
> argument.  but the numbers thing is stil a reality and of course the
> choice is always yours as to how many new users you want to bring in
> early compared to later, keeping in mind many in time buy one product
> based on what is out there and will not spend money on another.  
> thanks for your work!

	For devils advocate sake again ;)

	"I speak English, can I come into your bar?"

	"I speak HTTP, can I talk to your port 80?"

	How do these differ?

	If one answers "We don't serve your ethnicity", your'e a racist
bastard. If you answer "We don't serve your browser", how is that any
better?

	(I think I've got everyone on that one)

	Now, do numbers come into it? Sure, Shadow has a marketable
audience, and theres nothign wrong with me marketing to windows folks
only, right? But I like to think that I can be on the higher moral ground
and serve everyone, especially since Shadow is built under Unix anyway
;) (ie: Microsoft has chosen to tell me I cannot develop free software on
their operating systems. Fine. Their loss, right?)

	However, I obviously must lean towards Windows to keep a float,
which is why the Windows desktop stuff is already available (and funding
development of the MAc desktop ;)  

	I should add that they all share the same codebase, with only OS
dependant stuff abstracted out. So once I get some more of the Mac-chuck
done, then I can develope mac, and windows and unix all at once.. they all
get updates at the same time, without extra work.

	So its a big big win to get the Mac and Unix OS dep libraries
("chucks") working, since its nil-work later to keep those versions as up
to date as Windows..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Display bug in New File dialog

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> 7. Category of list is now blank
> 
> I have:
> Turned off all hacks
> Warm reset
> 
> Bug still shows.  Should be repeatable on demand (it is for me :) ).

	Probably forgot to refresh it on returning to the screen. I'll
take a peek post-vacation :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: single vs. multiple lists

One thing to note..

	I keep about 100 lists. Lists fort everything. I divide up by
several criterion.. location/theme (like home and work), and major
projects (a project with piles of notes gets its own file), and other
criterion.When you have the volume of data I do, I need to keep it very
organized.

	Now, of course, you can use one big file with just branches and
zoom to get around, right? I tried to enable something like this, across
multiple files, with "file links", too.

	The main issue is that Palm OS provides limited runtime
memory. (ie: You may have 8 or 16 MB of *storage memory*, but you really
only have say 30-150K of runtime ram for the applications. Rough). So
across all my lists I have about 500k or a megabyte of data in Shadow at
any given time. Keeping all that in memory at once in one big list would
be a pig.. Shadow can handle it, but would be caching and swapping like
*mad* to do so.

	Keeping things in well organized lists means I can load a 200k
file super fast and never notice a speed hit :)

	(the amount of RAM you have and effective unit speed depends on
the unit and OS revision. Newer versions of the OS are both faster
(internally and in memory management) and provide more RAM. Newer units
tend to be faster, and have faster processors and more physical RAM which
means more runtime dynamic RAM. But its kooky too.. a Palm Vx runs faster
than a overclocked IIIc due to the screen refresh processor hit on the
IIIC. But a new Clie will run faster than a Vx any day of the week, due to
hardware acceleration of the display, etc. Its complex)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: stan_krute  <Stan@S...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:32pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 465

Salutes to Jeff for consistently doing
The Right Thing.

He's a living, shining example of one of my
deepest beliefs: if programmers follow
standards in their web work, and code their
non-web apps so as to run on multiple OS platforms,
freedom, and not monopoly, can flourish.

Stan

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:15pm
Subject: Re: hours fields (duration)

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Eric Pignot wrote:

> This feature was maybe already asked several times, and there are perhaps
> very good reasons not to implement it, but I would still like to ask it once
> more, in case if :-)

	Its on my priority list, medium priority. (Which is to say, after
the desktop gets some serious work on it)

> I know this is not a standart field of the Palm TODO db, but I think it is
> one that would make sense to add (IMHO)...

	Shadow doesn't live in the ToDo database; for your info -- one
cannot add fields to the ToDo database. Shadow uses its own databases, and
links out to other databases.. so I'll be adding a weighting field to
Shadow (to use fo rhours or whatever you like), but how we stick it into
ToDo will have to be up for debate. However, if you're looking at a Shadow
list, it won't be a problem.. we're not limited by the built-in databases
:P

> - I like to suppress the title word-wrap (in pref/option of a list), so the
> title stays on one line.

	There is a list option for that, to supress word wrap for the
list.

> But would it be possible to auto. supress the title word-wrap for an
> item, when the note is expanded ? (by clicking on the note icon near
> the title for example...). I think that word-wrap on title doesn't
> make sense when the note is expanded.

	Thats too personal a decision, and I'm not sure I want to add too
many more prefs that few people would notice ;) (ie: We've already got
like 5 or 8 screens of prefs.. adding more just confuses people more, so
I'm being carefull!) (ie: And I'd say the opposite; if I'm expanding a
note, I want the title expanded, so we know there are at least two inputs
on this ;)

> Anyway, thank a lot for this great program :-)

	Your velcome :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Stanley Krute  <Stan@S...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 465

Salutes to Jeff for consistently doing
The Right Thing !!!

He's a living, shining example of one of my
deepest beliefs: that programmers,
by following open web standards and
coding apps to run on multiple OS platforms,
can Code the Path to Freedom.

Stan

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:12pm
Subject: Saving Files

One of the problems I tend to create for myself is when I mark
todo's complete. I move my todo's out of the todo file and into
the datebook with a utility, in order to record the date that
things occurred historically and to keep my todo database manageable.

My problem is that before I can delete them after marking them complete,
I have to go into shadow and save each file which may have linked 
todo entities. I don't mind that, but I would like Shadow to give me
the option to save the file immediately, or to recognize a link status
change as a change, so it allows the save option, or better yet, saves
automatically without my having to do an expand/collapse or the like
to trigger the list change flag.

Thanks
Ed

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 465

Agree with that statement completely Stan!  Here, here to Jeff!!!

Kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: stan_krute 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:32 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Digest Number 465


  Salutes to Jeff for consistently doing
  The Right Thing.

  He's a living, shining example of one of my
  deepest beliefs: if programmers follow
  standards in their web work, and code their
  non-web apps so as to run on multiple OS platforms,
  freedom, and not monopoly, can flourish.

  Stan 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Saving Files

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Learned wrote:

> One of the problems I tend to create for myself is when I mark
> todo's complete. I move my todo's out of the todo file and into
> the datebook with a utility, in order to record the date that
> things occurred historically and to keep my todo database manageable.
> 
> My problem is that before I can delete them after marking them
> complete, I have to go into shadow and save each file which may have
> linked todo entities. I don't mind that, but I would like Shadow to
> give me the option to save the file immediately, or to recognize a
> link status change as a change, so it allows the save option, or
> better yet, saves automatically without my having to do an
> expand/collapse or the like to trigger the list change flag.

	You mean you're using a Hack or the like to in-background move a
todo object to a datebook object. If your'e doing that, there is simply no
way for Shadow to know the object has moved.. a hack has sneaily done it
without telling anyone. You don't have to go through all your Shadow lists
and tell it to do anything.. just next time you open a list that points to
an item that is now gone, you'll get the Sever warning.. no big deal. But
the currently loaded list you have to be careful with.

	I could perhaps add an option "rescan links".

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: veb8  <veb8899@f...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:27pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 465

Hi Jeff,

I had to come out of lurk mode because you raised some interesting 
points as you always do.  I have Windows but if I had my druthers, I 
would be using a Mac (another post).  Anyway, in addition to the 
problems you had with Microsoft and other sites specifically catering 
only to the IE Browser, I see it as an accessibility issue since 
Opera is suppose to be more customizable than either IE or Netscape.  
Of course, Microsoft will claim that they have accessibility features 
on IE but the issue is if someone with a disability is more 
comfortable using Opera, than that's what they should be able to do.  
Of course, this applies to the whole population also but I was just 
pointing out additional problems that I saw with Microsoft's approach.

Now I am getting off the topic of the thread but what the heck.  
Another major gripe I have with Microsoft is that they made a big 
deal about offering the text to speech feature for the latest version 
of Microsoft Reader.  But thanks to the Digital Rights Property 
Management Act, which Microsoft is a big supporter of, if I want to 
use that feature, the author of the e-book has to have granted 
permission, otherwise, I can't use it.  That's like telling a blind 
person that he/she can only use his/her cane part of the time.

Ok, I am off my soapbox and back on track.  Not only do I second what 
everyone else has said about you Jeff as far as being ethical, folks 
on this list may not be aware that you made Shadow very accessible 
early in the process.  You did it because you felt it was the right 
thing to do and didn't wait for folks to pressure you to do it.  

Anyway, thanks for what you have done and will do in the future.

Vivian

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 1:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 465

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, veb8 wrote:

> I had to come out of lurk mode because you raised some interesting
> points as you always do.  I have Windows but if I had my druthers, I

	Please remember you can tie me down if you need to. I easily get
into long rants and soap-box sessions about these sorts of topics. (The
other day, someone was asking why we don't censor the net like mad. I had
to get them into a discussion of defining why Mona Lisa or Photography
sites aren't porn, and in what country, and how to tell them apart, before
they ackowledged humans should be more interested in responsible content
delivery than censorship, since censorship leads to slippery slopes and
you end up banning religion and freedom to dance, like in some countries
;) (See what I mean? I itch debate :)

> would be using a Mac (another post).  Anyway, in addition to the
> problems you had with Microsoft and other sites specifically catering
> only to the IE Browser, I see it as an accessibility issue since Opera
> is suppose to be more customizable than either IE or Netscape.  Of
> course, Microsoft will claim that they have accessibility features on
> IE but the issue is if someone with a disability is more comfortable
> using Opera, than that's what they should be able to do.  Of course,
> this applies to the whole population also but I was just pointing out
> additional problems that I saw with Microsoft's approach.

	There are a lot of non-IE browsers; a small market segment, but I
like to think those using RIM's, cell phones, or text browsers (a plethora
of devices, or text reader browsers for the blind, etc) are on equal
footing. After all, every single internet and web standard has been about
interopability and freedom (as in free speech). Microsoft does it only for
purposes of controlling the browser and OS industry, pure and simple.
Other companies.. they're just being annoying :) (And MS is extra bad,
since they tell me what software I can develop web applications with, or
any other application for that matter... so they dictate what you build
with, where you build it, and what users you can have. They might as well
run your business too..)

	(OKay, you can use Flash; but it'd be better to do so tastefully..
you kick out 5 or 10% of the audience by requiring flash. But how hard is
it to have text links down the side of the page that work without flash?
Thats nice for those poor souls withotu broadband, right? :)

> Now I am getting off the topic of the thread but what the heck.  
> Another major gripe I have with Microsoft is that they made a big deal
> about offering the text to speech feature for the latest version of
> Microsoft Reader.  But thanks to the Digital Rights Property
> Management Act, which Microsoft is a big supporter of, if I want to
> use that feature, the author of the e-book has to have granted
> permission, otherwise, I can't use it.  That's like telling a blind
> person that he/she can only use his/her cane part of the time.

	We won't discuss the DMCA. Doing so risks accidentally quoting a
piece of it, and thats now a federal offence (really, go
check). Thankfully, I'm in Canada, so I can trashtalk the DMCA all I
want. Frankly, laws like it make me feer for our future.

	For example.. consider:

	You buy a CD with music on it. What are you buying?

	Are you buying the right to listen to that piece of music? If so,
why can't you copy it to tape and listen to it in your car? (legally you
can). Why don't they give you a discount if you buy it on tape or
vinyl? You've paid for that right or that piece of music, right? So how
dare they try and block you from copying it (which is illegal.. your'e
allowed to back it up). Heck, recent Sony CD's will *Crash* your computer
if you stick it into there. Maybe you intend on listening to it from your
computer? How can they assume you intend to copy it? And the fact is you
legally can copy it?

	You just wait till I buy one of those CDs, open up some Shadow
code, and have it crash due to the CD being "protected" *illegally*? I'll
sue their butts off for cost of labour... if I can :)

> Anyway, thanks for what you have done and will do in the future.

	No problem. Thanks for letting me get some rants out now and
again.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:04am
Subject: Re: Saving Files

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:15:02 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Learned wrote:
>
>>One of the problems I tend to create for myself is when I mark
>>todo's complete. I move my todo's out of the todo file and into
>>the datebook with a utility, in order to record the date that
>>things occurred historically and to keep my todo database
>>manageable.
>>
>>My problem is that before I can delete them after marking them
>>complete, I have to go into shadow and save each file which may
>>have
>>linked todo entities. I don't mind that, but I would like Shadow to
>>give me the option to save the file immediately, or to recognize a
>>link status change as a change, so it allows the save option, or
>>better yet, saves automatically without my having to do an
>>expand/collapse or the like to trigger the list change flag.
>
>    You mean you're using a Hack or the like to in-background move a
>todo object to a datebook object. If your'e doing that, there is
>simply no
>way for Shadow to know the object has moved.. a hack has sneaily
>done it
>without telling anyone. You don't have to go through all your Shadow
>lists
>and tell it to do anything.. just next time you open a list that
>points to
>an item that is now gone, you'll get the Sever warning.. no big
>deal. But
>the currently loaded list you have to be careful with.
>
>    I could perhaps add an option "rescan links".
>
>        jeff


Actually I'm looking for something even easier...when I open a list, 
it does not give me the option to save it until I change something. 
All I want is the ability to do an immediate save upon opening, or 
for Shadow to detect that link statuses have changed (i.e. completed 
todos), and do an auto save. That way I can just enter and leave each 
list. Now I have to enter the list, expand or collapse something to 
trigger the dirty flag, then save it.
-- 
Learned, learned@t... on 04/15/2002

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:37am
Subject: Re: Saving Files

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Learned wrote:

> Actually I'm looking for something even easier...when I open a list, 
> it does not give me the option to save it until I change something. 
> All I want is the ability to do an immediate save upon opening, or 
> for Shadow to detect that link statuses have changed (i.e. completed 
> todos), and do an auto save. That way I can just enter and leave each 
> list. Now I have to enter the list, expand or collapse something to 
> trigger the dirty flag, then save it.

	I'm not sure I wish to add an arbitrary "save now"; newbies woudl
tend to see it and assume they always need to save now befoer they exit.
Trust me. Thats why I suggested "Rescan links" instead.. Shadow would set
itself to dirty (to cause a save) and rescan link status.. essentially
what you want.

	Shadow cannot detect automatically that things like linked objects
have magicly changed, if you've sneakily done it behind our back. We'd
have to be scanning all your links all the time, every second, for that to
be of value, and that'd kill performance and batteries beyond imagination.

	Opening a list, using your hack, and then closing a list and
having it auto-save is uncool; it'd be a fair amount of work for me to
store last-updated-dates for all the databases linked to (which coudl be
tonnes of different databases, since my link engine can support any
arbitrary database, despite the fact its just doing the 4 built ins right
now).

	Think of a way I can help you thats not a tonne of work :) (ie: I
can't bend over backwards to support a hack thats doing something
"rude" ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:38am
Subject: Re: Saving Files

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:37:07 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>Opening a list, using your hack, and then closing a list and
>having it auto-save is uncool; it'd be a fair amount of work for me
>to
>store last-updated-dates for all the databases linked to (which
>coudl be
>tonnes of different databases, since my link engine can support any
>arbitrary database, despite the fact its just doing the 4 built ins
>right
>now).

The rescan is fine, but I still think you are making it more 
complicated than I'm intending. Forget the hack for a minute. If I 
just check a todo as completed, using the todo program, and then go 
into Shadow, it does not detect that the link status has changed. 
You're right, a rescan link would fix this. It is cleaner than my 
method of doing something to set the dirty bit, but still not as nice 
as just being able to save the file. I do understand your concern 
about new users however, so I'll live with whatever you come up with. 
I do think something needs to be done though because now it's 
confusing to a new user as well that they can update the todo status 
via the todo program, go into Shadow see that it's updated, leave, 
purge the todo and come back to shadow to find it no longer checked, 
all because no save took place.

Thanks
-- 
Learned, learned@t... on 04/15/2002

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Saving Files

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Learned wrote:

> The rescan is fine, but I still think you are making it more 
> complicated than I'm intending. Forget the hack for a minute. If I 
> just check a todo as completed, using the todo program, and then go 
> into Shadow, it does not detect that the link status has changed. 

	It sure does!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: cdent@b...
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: single vs. multiple lists

Hi, I'm a newbie, so this may have been covered before but I
thought I'd jump in, since this message reminded me of something
I've been thinking of.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> 	Now, of course, you can use one big file with just branches and
> zoom to get around, right? I tried to enable something like this, across
> multiple files, with "file links", too.

Is it possible currently, or could it be possible to make file
links into nodes of shadow files instead of the top? It appears
that each node has an id of some kind, so presumably it would be
possible to link to the Nth node in the list of nodes that make
up a file?

This would work well with my own way of keeping lists, which is
to move around in many. Ideally it would allow importing an item
from a different shadow file as a link to that item in the other
file.

By the way: love the tool. Excellent thinking aid. Thank you very
much.

-- 
Chris Dent  <cdent@b...>  http://www.burningchrome.com/~cdent/
"Mediocrities everywhere--now and to come--I absolve you all! Amen!
 -Salieri, in Peter Shaffer's Amadeus

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: single vs. multiple lists

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 cdent@b... wrote:

> > zoom to get around, right? I tried to enable something like this, across
> > multiple files, with "file links", too.
> 
> Is it possible currently, or could it be possible to make file
> links into nodes of shadow files instead of the top? It appears

	Not yet. On one hand, doing item to item linking for goto-sake
isn't too difficult; but people want a lot more than that.. they want item
to item relationships and all sorts of crazy things.. so I've chosen to
implement it later, when I've gathered more input and nailed down what we
really need to do to improve everyones life. It has become a complex
design issue as opposed to implementation..

> This would work well with my own way of keeping lists, which is
> to move around in many. Ideally it would allow importing an item
> from a different shadow file as a link to that item in the other
> file.

	You can link an item out to ToDo (say), and then "New From" it to
bring it into multiple Shadow files, or multiple times in the same file :)

> By the way: love the tool. Excellent thinking aid. Thank you very
> much.

	Your velcome :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kitara  <kitara@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not appear in
the dropdown list (file menu).  
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> 
> > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > 
> > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module from within
> > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu from the File
> > list and the category list from within the file. might i be missing a
> > key point?  i can run programs from the card with pidirect....
> > 
> > should i try to move the files to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > i doubt it would help?
> 
> 	When you are in the file selection screen, in a normal category,
> and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to card"
listed?
> 
> 	Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug you're using
> doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the previous
> question and I'll go from there..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: alexr_bea_au  <arafalov@b...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:25am
Subject: Bug?: MiniEd resets per item Auto#

<Unlurks>

Shadow 2.2.1
Sony Clie T615C/G (should not better)
Double Tap goes to minied on
Auto-Numbering off on all levels

Create 2 items on the same level, manually set Auto# to something.
Back to the main screen, double click on it to edit in MiniEd, click ok.

Auto# dissapears for that item, dissapears in details screen, but sometimes is still remembered somewhere (I think if any other items on that level do)

I am happy to provide more details if that is not reproducible (I can see it over and over again)

Regards,
  Alex.
Ps. Cool program

From: kitara  <kitara@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:05pm
Subject: New From crashes

Visor Prism, Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
Shadow 2.2.1
No Hacks, FitalyStamp as an application/utility
ActionNames Datebook 5.1 build 191

New From gives me this  Fatal Alert error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450,
Invalid chunk ptr".  I get this error if i click either of the
checkboxes for Undated or Completed or if i click the Done box.  I am
able to hit the Reset button and start over.  

Interestingly enough, the first three times i had done this i had
added a item to the list which was automatically linked to the ToDo
Llist.  Since I had to do a soft reset that item wasn't saved in
shadow but it was on my todo list in AN.  I ended up with 3 copies
(with minor variations) in AN.

I also noticed (when i was looking for the OS version) that the main
launcher info screen said that i have no space left in RAM,  when i am
running silverscreen it takes into account that i have a MemPlug with
PiDirect and shows 1.8 MB free.  If I remove the card the main
launcher info screen shows 1.8 MB free.  

OT question to list:  Is there a launcher that recognizes categories
on a Visor/MemPlug/PiDirect operating situation?  I have to move all
my programs back to their respective categories after each reset so
that I can see them (other than in unfiled).  If i just use the
standard launcher the category is kept after a reset, but as above,
other funny things happen.

I'm considering replacing a few of the programs i purchased last year
(as my needs have changed).  not shadow, though.  it's still top notch!

Thanks for any help you can give,
deanna

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:

> sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not appear in
> the dropdown list (file menu).  

	Are you using the latest Shadow Plan? (2.2.x or later supports
VFS). IF you're using the latets version, and dont' get the "Copy to
card" type options in the right hand side operation popmenu, it suggests
Shadow doesn't find VFS available, which suggests your unit can't do it,
your unit doesn't have a card, or somethign is weird. What unit do you
have?

		jeff

> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> > 
> > > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > > 
> > > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module from within
> > > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu from the File
> > > list and the category list from within the file. might i be missing a
> > > key point?  i can run programs from the card with pidirect....
> > > 
> > > should i try to move the files to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > > i doubt it would help?
> > 
> > 	When you are in the file selection screen, in a normal category,
> > and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to card"
> listed?
> > 
> > 	Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug you're using
> > doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the previous
> > question and I'll go from there..
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:47pm
Subject: Re: Bug?: MiniEd resets per item Auto#

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, alexr_bea_au wrote:

> <Unlurks>
> 
> Double Tap goes to minied on
> Auto-Numbering off on all levels
> 
> Create 2 items on the same level, manually set Auto# to something.
> Back to the main screen, double click on it to edit in MiniEd, click ok.
> 
> Auto# dissapears for that item, dissapears in details screen, but
> sometimes is still remembered somewhere (I think if any other items on
> that level do)

	Yep; mini editor doesn't inherit auto-number of surrounding items
when creating a new item. I'll be fixing it in a bit :)

> I am happy to provide more details if that is not reproducible (I can
> see it over and over again)

	We're good thanks!

> Ps. Cool program

	Hey, glad to help out :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:10pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 465

> 	There are a lot of non-IE browsers; a small market segment,
> but I like to think those using RIM's, cell phones, or text
> browsers (a plethora of devices, or text reader browsers for the
> blind, etc) are on equal footing. After all, every single internet
> and web standard has been about interopability and freedom (as in
> free speech). Microsoft does it only for purposes of controlling
> the browser and OS industry, pure and simple. Other companies..
> they're just being annoying :) (And MS is extra bad, since they
> tell me what software I can develop web applications with, or
> any other application for that matter... so they dictate what you
> build with, where you build it, and what users you can have. They
> might as well run your business too..)

Just to provide a little perspective (not to stir up a flame war): I 
have to disagree with you here. At least partially.

Yes, Microsoft does try to pry their way into any profitable market 
segment they can find. But hey, let's be realistic here, they are a 
commercial enterprise. They, like all others, are in this business to 
make money out of it. And are Apple, Sun, et al really all that 
different? For example, on my Windows machine, I am free to choose 
hardware components from a myriad of competing manufacturers. Not so 
with Apple and Sun. I can only buy their hardware to use with their 
machines. So they effectively own you as much as Microsoft does. Only 
MS does it on a larger scale. But isn't the basic idea very much the 
same?

Look at the mainframe world with big players like IBM, BMC and CA and 
have a look at their multi million dollar choking contracts. Once 
you're tied to those, you'll virtually never be able break free from 
them again. Unknown to most people because this doesn't apply to 
their home and business needs, but all the more frustrating for large 
corporations depending on the processing power provided by these 
machines.

As for MS telling you what software to use for developing 
applications: not true. I have been building Windows applications for 
years using a development environment that didn't use a shred of MS 
software. I can use gcc to build CGI applications that will run 
flawlessly under IIS on a Windows web server. Or any HTML-editor to 
develop ASP-applications (like I've been doing with Allaire's 
HomeSite for the better part of three years). And if I hate ASP as 
well, I could switch to Cold Fusion, Story Server, or whatever other 
environment I choose. And isn't Code Warrior the development tool of 
choice for building Palm applications?

And finally, why do people build websites that only work under IE? 
Well, I can't speak for others, but I do it because IE offers the 
most comprehensive set of capabilities which I need to make my web 
applications as user friendly as possible. Sure, I could build a 
simple cell phone compatible database driven website using just HTML 
1.0, but with the sheer complexity of the applications I develop and 
the huge volumes of data that I have to relay through them, my 
customers would run away screaming if I had the nerve to implement 
their site using a text-based interface.

Another reason is the immense effort I have to put into making stuff 
compatible with other browsers. I've been doing this for a while when 
the company I worked for still used two types of browsers for their 
intranet: IE and Navigator. Up until the very latest version, 
Navigator failed to adhere to long settled standards for CSS and the 
document object model. For just about every conceivable piece of 
functionality beyond the basic "Joe Barta" entry level techniques, I 
had to develop and implement workarounds to make it work under 
Navigator. And then I spend months explaining my colleagues why I 
couldn't make things work in their Navigator like I could in my IE. 
So if I don't have the time or the money to make my site work for 
multiple browsers, then I will focus on the one that has the largest 
market share and thus targets most of my potential customers.

Roy.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: Re: New From crashes

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:

> New From gives me this Fatal Alert error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450,
> Invalid chunk ptr".  I get this error if i click either of the
> checkboxes for Undated or Completed or if i click the Done box.  I am
> able to hit the Reset button and start over.

	Curious.

> Interestingly enough, the first three times i had done this i had
> added a item to the list which was automatically linked to the ToDo
> Llist.  Since I had to do a soft reset that item wasn't saved in
> shadow but it was on my todo list in AN.  I ended up with 3 copies
> (with minor variations) in AN.

	You mean you hit New From, hit Done, and got a crash, and item was
added to ToDo database? Can't see that being possible.. (okay, remotely,
but I don't think so ;)

> I also noticed (when i was looking for the OS version) that the main
> launcher info screen said that i have no space left in RAM, when i am

	Disable pidirect and see how much memory it says is free; that is
a more accurate number.

> running silverscreen it takes into account that i have a MemPlug with
> PiDirect and shows 1.8 MB free.  If I remove the card the main
> launcher info screen shows 1.8 MB free.

	PiDirect can mess up the memory displays since it fiddles with
things, but Silver should be correct.

> OT question to list:  Is there a launcher that recognizes categories
> on a Visor/MemPlug/PiDirect operating situation?  I have to move all
> my programs back to their respective categories after each reset so
> that I can see them (other than in unfiled).  If i just use the
> standard launcher the category is kept after a reset, but as above,
> other funny things happen.

	MegaLauncher. I was a SS user but had to switch: 1) No high res
support (though they added it recently, but its not very well done),
2) Very slow (goign to launcher took many seconds and annoyed me), and
3) It doesn't cache categories.

	(2) and (3) were the clinchers. 

	MegaLauncher caches categories and such, and as such comes up
faster and remembers where things go through card pulls (and pidirect
stop/starts).

	That is extremely important, since hotsync or adding new things to
pidirect requires you to stop/start pidirect :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:01pm
Subject: Re: Bug?: MiniEd resets per item Auto#

This is a known issue.  I'm sure Jeff will get it fixed soon.


>From: "alexr_bea_au" <arafalov@b...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [shadow-discuss] Bug?: MiniEd resets per item Auto#
>Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:25:32 -0000
>
><Unlurks>
>
>Shadow 2.2.1
>Sony Clie T615C/G (should not better)
>Double Tap goes to minied on
>Auto-Numbering off on all levels
>
>Create 2 items on the same level, manually set Auto# to something.
>Back to the main screen, double click on it to edit in MiniEd, click ok.
>
>Auto# dissapears for that item, dissapears in details screen, but sometimes 
>is still remembered somewhere (I think if any other items on that level do)
>
>I am happy to provide more details if that is not reproducible (I can see 
>it over and over again)
>
>Regards,
>   Alex.
>Ps. Cool program
>
>
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From: chad10101  <chad10101@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:32pm
Subject: e-mail into a task

I have somebody here at work that uses Outlook and his Palm to the 
max.  He is trying this product out and is finding that this is 
something that he would be interested in buying.  One question that 
he asked me is if this product could turn an e-mail into a task like 
he can do in Outlook.  Is this possible?

Thanks

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 465

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> Just to provide a little perspective (not to stir up a flame war): I 
> have to disagree with you here. At least partially.

	Thats okay; I'm going on vacation in a few days, so I won't be
replying, so it won't get out of control ;)

> Yes, Microsoft does try to pry their way into any profitable market 
> segment they can find. But hey, let's be realistic here, they are a 
> commercial enterprise. They, like all others, are in this business to 
> make money out of it. And are Apple, Sun, et al really all that 

	This isn't relevant; Microsoft in general does reasonable quality
work (and a lot of bad work), and they are a business trying to make
money. Thats not my issue..

	They are also amoral and evil about it.

	Have you ever had some foreign entity come to you and say "you
know, if you don't switch those serversd to NT, we'll forbid you from
using any Mimcrosoft software at all", or "you cannot use Emacs, a 20 year
old kickass text editor, on Windows. We just decided you can't, because we
want you to use one of ours", or "You're not allowed to link against this
library unless you use Visual C++ -- your'e not allowed to use gcc,
Borland's Kylix, or other toolkits".

	This is unacceptible behaviour, especially from a large company
that obviously is in a monopoly position.

	I'm all fo rthem running a business and competing everyone into
the ground.. but its when they obviously break the law, and when they
strongarm small guys out of business, and manipulate the public, that I
get worried.

	Go check the licenses on more recent MS software and read
carefully.. it is quite alarming the things you must give into.

> different? For example, on my Windows machine, I am free to choose 
> hardware components from a myriad of competing manufacturers. Not so 

	Are you? Or are you only able to use hardwar that Microsoft has
permitted drivers for? I bet you didn't know of the dozen soundcards that
couldnmt' come to market because MS decided not to let them make drivers.

	I also bet you didn't know that many pieces of hardware in your
machine work better than competition, because MS built into the operating
system routines to degrade performance for non-MS allies?

> Look at the mainframe world with big players like IBM, BMC and CA and
> have a look at their multi million dollar choking contracts. Once
> you're tied to those, you'll virtually never be able break free from
> them again. Unknown to most people because this doesn't apply to their

	This isn't relevant; they're also bad. We could just as easily
flame them too, but I haven't the time :)

> As for MS telling you what software to use for developing
> applications: not true. I have been building Windows applications for
> years using a development environment that didn't use a shred of MS
> software. I can use gcc to build CGI applications that will run
> flawlessly under IIS on a Windows web server. Or any HTML-editor to

	Go read your licenses again :(  Last year some of the toolkits
that came out forbid the use of linking their libs into things produced
with open source tools. This year more and more of their licenses include
such provisions and more. Its quite alarming.

	But I've also been in locations where the servers and desktops
have had to change software due to MS demands. They just come in and say
"you want to use Office in your company, well, you're going to have to
change these servers to". Bizarre but true.

> for the better part of three years). And if I hate ASP as well, I
> could switch to Cold Fusion, Story Server, or whatever other
> environment I choose. And isn't Code Warrior the development tool of
> choice for building Palm applications?

	Sure, for building Palm applications. I never brought that up. But
if I wish to build Shadow Desktop to use certain functionality, I'll have
to use VC++ to do so, if I wish to be license compliant. If you like, I
can provide a list of licenses and such sometime after my vacation :)

> And finally, why do people build websites that only work under IE?  
> Well, I can't speak for others, but I do it because IE offers the most

	Do you put in the following check:

	if ( browser == IE ) {
		// work
	} else {
		// emit "your browser sucks. go get iE
	}

	I bet you don't. I bet you make use of whatever standards you can
to produce the site, and it just so happens IE is popular so you cater to
it. IE is not the most compliant browser, but it is popular.

	But if you specifically say "we only work with IE", then you need
a slap :)

> Another reason is the immense effort I have to put into making stuff
> compatible with other browsers. I've been doing this for a while when
> the company I worked for still used two types of browsers for their
> intranet: IE and Navigator. Up until the very latest version,
> Navigator failed to adhere to long settled standards for CSS and the

	Navigator hasn't been updated in years (they lost); Now that the
new navigators are alphas of Mozilla, its finalling getting somewhere.
Galeon/Mozilla/Gecko are pretty nifty.

	Anyway; don't misinterpret what I said -- MS can exist and make
money and squash people fair and square. Its when they tell me what I can
and can't do, and when they jerk me and my customers and you the public
around, I get worried. And they do, and they've admitted to it, many
times.

	And the summary of which is, I treat RIM's, Cell phones, Palm
VII's, an d MAcs fairly. Thats all .. no flames needed. I refuse to use
websites which say you must use IE .. they're basicly salesman for an evil
company.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

I also am not finding any Copy to Card option in any of the pull-down menus (List, Transfer, Help). I am using v 2.2.1 on a HandEra 330, and Shadow definitely does use VFS on my system -- almost all of my Shadow files are on a CF card  in <Palm\Programs\ShadowPlan> and I am constantly editing two or three of them on the card. I must be missing something here.
Bert
  Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:

> sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not appear in
> the dropdown list (file menu).  

      Are you using the latest Shadow Plan? (2.2.x or later supports
VFS). IF you're using the latets version, and dont' get the "Copy to
card" type options in the right hand side operation popmenu, it suggests
Shadow doesn't find VFS available, which suggests your unit can't do it,
your unit doesn't have a card, or somethign is weird. What unit do you
have?

            jeff

> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> > 
> > > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > > 
> > > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module from within
> > > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu from the File
> > > list and the category list from within the file. might i be missing a
> > > key point?  i can run programs from the card with pidirect....
> > > 
> > > should i try to move the files to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > > i doubt it would help?
> > 
> >       When you are in the file selection screen, in a normal category,
> > and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to card"
> listed?
> > 
> >       Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug you're using
> > doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the previous
> > question and I'll go from there..
> > 
> >             jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 465

agree with jeff on this one.  if you truly don't believe what jeff says, do a few searches on the net, and read the official deposition and court transcripts regarding what microsoft said publicly and privately.  clearly they broke lots of laws lots of times, and gained marketshare illegally in manners others that are law abiding have not been able to do.  LOTS of millionaires in that company by breaking laws, and now the current administration in the u.s. is backing off due to lots of lobbying money from microsoft and because the job economy isn't looking great in high tech...all the wrong reasons to let them slide.  if you were one of those microsoft beat up and took marketshare from, i bet your view would not be even close to what i read in support of the microsoft stance.  nothing wrong with making billions, but do it playing by the rules!
kevin


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

>  I also am not finding any Copy to Card option in any of the pull-down
> menus (List, Transfer, Help). I am using v 2.2.1 on a HandEra 330, and
> Shadow definitely does use VFS on my system -- almost all of my Shadow
> files are on a CF card in <Palm\Programs\ShadowPlan> and I am
> constantly editing two or three of them on the card. I must be missing
> something here.

	Thats conflicting info; if you're seeing things in
Palm\Programs\ShadowPlan, then you have already used "Copy to card", (or a
foreign tools like Filez) to copy the files there. In which case, the far
right arrow woudl give you "copy to handheld" or whatever it says, instead
(since they are already on the card!).

		jeff


> Bert
>   Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> 
> > sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not appear in
> > the dropdown list (file menu).  
> 
>       Are you using the latest Shadow Plan? (2.2.x or later supports
> VFS). IF you're using the latets version, and dont' get the "Copy to
> card" type options in the right hand side operation popmenu, it suggests
> Shadow doesn't find VFS available, which suggests your unit can't do it,
> your unit doesn't have a card, or somethign is weird. What unit do you
> have?
> 
>             jeff
> 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> > > 
> > > > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > > > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > > > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > > > 
> > > > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module from within
> > > > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu from the File
> > > > list and the category list from within the file. might i be missing a
> > > > key point?  i can run programs from the card with pidirect....
> > > > 
> > > > should i try to move the files to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > > > i doubt it would help?
> > > 
> > >       When you are in the file selection screen, in a normal category,
> > > and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to card"
> > listed?
> > > 
> > >       Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug you're using
> > > doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the previous
> > > question and I'll go from there..
> > > 
> > >             jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
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> 
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> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: e-mail into a task

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, chad10101 wrote:

> I have somebody here at work that uses Outlook and his Palm to the
> max.  He is trying this product out and is finding that this is
> something that he would be interested in buying.  One question that he
> asked me is if this product could turn an e-mail into a task like he
> can do in Outlook.  Is this possible?

	I'm not an outlook user, but perhaps you can, while in Outlook,
move the email over to your Outlook task list, which in turn syncs to your
palm ToDo list, and then use Shadow's New From to pick it up as an item
into a list. (And I will be adding an auto-import system so that you can
identify which list new items shoudl be imported into, but for now there
is no auto-import since you can have so many Shadow lists and the system
cannot magicly know where you wish items to auto import into)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: alan_j_macdougall  <dubh@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:44pm
Subject: using SP as outliner for large documents

I'm a recent new user of SP and am finding it extremely useful for 
*lots* of things, so much so that I am now purchasing a keyboard for 
my old IIIe. Nearly every problem I have with organising things has 
become the nail to Shadow's hammer.

One of the things I have to do a lot of at work is write large 
structured documents (Business Requirements for software) in MS Word. 

I've been building outlines in Shadow, and adding content to the 
outlines in the form of notes. This is working quite well (except for 
note length perhaps, although it's not been an issue yet). I've then 
been exporting to HTML flavoured DOC files and opening in MS Word. 
Takes a bit of cleaning up, but generally it works well.

I would be interested to hear if other people have been using Shadow 
in this sort of way and if they have any better ways to do it.

thanks

Alan

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:37pm
Subject: Re: using SP as outliner for large documents

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, alan_j_macdougall wrote:

> I'm a recent new user of SP and am finding it extremely useful for 
> *lots* of things, so much so that I am now purchasing a keyboard for 
> my old IIIe. Nearly every problem I have with organising things has 
> become the nail to Shadow's hammer.

	You know, I lik the phrase "Shadow's hammer" :) *bang*

> One of the things I have to do a lot of at work is write large 
> structured documents (Business Requirements for software) in MS Word. 
> 
> I've been building outlines in Shadow, and adding content to the 
> outlines in the form of notes. This is working quite well (except for 
> note length perhaps, although it's not been an issue yet). I've then 
> been exporting to HTML flavoured DOC files and opening in MS Word. 
> Takes a bit of cleaning up, but generally it works well.
> 
> I would be interested to hear if other people have been using Shadow 
> in this sort of way and if they have any better ways to do it.

	As a note, Shadow should perform pretty well even with large
document sizes, unless things get tight. ie: Due to how Shadow caches
memory (in order to open giant documents), you should keep X amount of
memory available for a document of X size. So if you're opening a 1MB
document, keep 1MB open in case the cache goes mental (and for giant multi
MB documents it will :)  On a IIIe, the OS only provides the application
about 30k of dynamic runtime memory, so when you're opening a 1MB
document, Shadow will index it and keep all sorts of stats in memory at
open time, to keep run tiem fast (so you won't see delays while using the
system). However, these indexes take memory, and large documents can take
lots of it. Also, when you're displaying these large documents, expanded
notes need to have their display size calculated, and the display content
is cached in local faster memory to keep speeds up.. so the more notes you
have, and the more expanded notes, and the more on-screen notes, the more
ram is needed.

	So in general, large documents are fine. Newer units handle them
much better, but even the older units shoudl be fine.. just keep lots of
memory open if your documents get huge. (I've opened 4 and 5 MB documents,
and they're chuggy, but not that bad, on a 30MHz palm :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: Vacation until end of April

I will be away through to the end of April. Feel free to post
questions, bounce ideas around yourselves, or send email to
support@c..., but I myself won't be answering until I return from
this much needed break :) I will be catching up and answering all
questions, however.

		jeff

	If you're curious, support@c... will have a auto-reply
email. I worked it over last night, but this may or may not be the final
version:


    Thank you for your interest in Codejedi software! Our products are
built on user feedback and we pride ourselves on a fast response time to
all inquiries and requests for help or information. (With an average of
about 200-300 email questions a day, we've managed to keep up a response
time of a few hours to one day for almost 2 years now!)

    We are taking a much needed vacation from mid to end April however,
so our apologies for any inconveniance a delayed response will cause. If
you have a usage question, feature idea, or general topics of discussion,
be sure to see our mailing lists and web forums where thousands of other
Shadow Plan users are ready to chat and bounce ideas around with you. They
may be able to assist you with any basic problems.

    Mailing lists and forums can be found here:

	    http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/maillist.html

    If you have purchased and not yet received a registration code, then
rest assurred it is an automated system and in general you should receive a
code hours or a day after your order (it takes that long for the order to 
get to us, at which time is it handled immediately.) If you've waited a few
days and have not yet received your registration code, you can contact your
point of purchase (PalmGear or Handango) and request them to reprocess the
order and it should be caught (on the rare cases where the order is not
sent to us due to email problems or the like).

    If you are having handheld difficulties, the forum and mailing list
archives should have answers, or you can post and see what others think.

    If you are having Shadow Desktop problems (syncing issues, for example)
then you can try this quick fixer-upper until such time as we return and
can follow up on your questions. 1) Do a file find for "lastsync.txt"; if
it is not found, you likely had an installation problem and need to re-run
setup22.exe (the current release) to get things working. If you do find
it, then in the same location you will find your Shadow Desktop XML files
for the files you've asked Shadow to synchronize. 2) Move these XML files
to somewhere else for safe-keeping. 3) Resync, and you're good to go.

    If you have other questions or need help, rest assured that we will
be plowing through all of your support questions as soon as we return, and
you should hear from us by the first week of May, at which time we'll be
back into our "reply within a day, if not hours" policy.

    Be sure to check the Handheld Reference Guide and Desktop Reference Guide
for answers; they can often answer your questions! They can be found in
the .zip file distributions, in your "Start menu" (Windows users only),
and on the website here: http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/manual.html

    Again, thanks for caring so much about our software as to write to
us. We very much appreciate your interest and hope you are enjoying
your Codejedi and Shadow Plan experience as much as thousands of others
have!

Jeff Mitchell
Owner, Senior Developer
Codejedi

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: just1dash  <just1dash@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

It is not in the drop-down menus.  While in the File Selection 
Screen, the down arrow next to each file yields a pop-up list that 
includes the 'Move to Card' option.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Bert Latamore <bertlatamore@y...> wrote:
> 
>  I also am not finding any Copy to Card option in any of the pull-
down menus (List, Transfer, Help). I am using v 2.2.1 on a HandEra 
330, and Shadow definitely does use VFS on my system -- almost all of 
my Shadow files are on a CF card  in <Palm\Programs\ShadowPlan> and I 
am constantly editing two or three of them on the card. I must be 
missing something here.
> Bert
>   Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara 
wrote:
> 
> > sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not appear 
in
> > the dropdown list (file menu).  
> 
>       Are you using the latest Shadow Plan? (2.2.x or later supports
> VFS). IF you're using the latets version, and dont' get the "Copy to
> card" type options in the right hand side operation popmenu, it 
suggests
> Shadow doesn't find VFS available, which suggests your unit can't 
do it,
> your unit doesn't have a card, or somethign is weird. What unit do 
you
> have?
> 
>             jeff
> 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> > > 
> > > > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > > > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > > > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > > > 
> > > > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module from 
within
> > > > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu from 
the File
> > > > list and the category list from within the file. might i be 
missing a
> > > > key point?  i can run programs from the card with pidirect....
> > > > 
> > > > should i try to move the files 
to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > > > i doubt it would help?
> > > 
> > >       When you are in the file selection screen, in a normal 
category,
> > > and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to 
card"
> > listed?
> > > 
> > >       Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug you're 
using
> > > doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the 
previous
> > > question and I'll go from there..
> > > 
> > >             jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > 
> >  
> > 
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, just1dash wrote:

> It is not in the drop-down menus.  While in the File Selection 
> Screen, the down arrow next to each file yields a pop-up list that 
> includes the 'Move to Card' option.

	If there is an option "Move to Card', then 'Copy to Card' also
exists (it is the next option; perhaps you need to scroll down for some
reason to see it), or else you're using an alpha version (not 2.2.1
release) which did not have that option.

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Bert Latamore <bertlatamore@y...> wrote:
> > 
> >  I also am not finding any Copy to Card option in any of the pull-
> down menus (List, Transfer, Help). I am using v 2.2.1 on a HandEra 
> 330, and Shadow definitely does use VFS on my system -- almost all of 
> my Shadow files are on a CF card  in <Palm\Programs\ShadowPlan> and I 
> am constantly editing two or three of them on the card. I must be 
> missing something here.
> > Bert
> >   Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not appear 
> in
> > > the dropdown list (file menu).  
> > 
> >       Are you using the latest Shadow Plan? (2.2.x or later supports
> > VFS). IF you're using the latets version, and dont' get the "Copy to
> > card" type options in the right hand side operation popmenu, it 
> suggests
> > Shadow doesn't find VFS available, which suggests your unit can't 
> do it,
> > your unit doesn't have a card, or somethign is weird. What unit do 
> you
> > have?
> > 
> >             jeff
> > 
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > > > > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > > > > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > > > > 
> > > > > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module from 
> within
> > > > > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu from 
> the File
> > > > > list and the category list from within the file. might i be 
> missing a
> > > > > key point?  i can run programs from the card with pidirect....
> > > > > 
> > > > > should i try to move the files 
> to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > > > > i doubt it would help?
> > > > 
> > > >       When you are in the file selection screen, in a normal 
> category,
> > > > and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to 
> card"
> > > listed?
> > > > 
> > > >       Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug you're 
> using
> > > > doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the 
> previous
> > > > question and I'll go from there..
> > > > 
> > > >             jeff
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own micro
> > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
> mean,
> > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
> he is?"
> > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > 
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> Service. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Alan Macdougall  <dubh@c...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:16pm
Subject: Re: using SP as outliner for large documents

On 19/4/02 at 10:37 AM, support@s... (Jeff Mitchell) wrote:

> > Nearly every problem I have with organising
> > things has become the nail to Shadow's hammer.
> 
> You know, I lik the phrase "Shadow's hammer" :)
> *bang*

I was thinking of the proverb (not necessarily appropriate in this case):

            When the only tool you have is a hammer,
            everything looks like a nail.

> As a note, Shadow should perform pretty well
> even with large document sizes, unless things
> get tight. 

Thanks for the explanation.  If I'm reading you right you are saying that I
shouldn't have too many problems as long as I've got free memory the size
of my documents.  And that it might help to keep the outlines "rolled up"
if I'm not using them?

The other thing I'm interested in is how people handle the transition from
an exported DOC file to Word.  I imagine it must be possible to write some
Macros to do at least some of the cleaning up and reformatting.

later

Alan

-- 

                Bìonn caora dhubh ar an trèad is gile.
          (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)

                <http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/dubh/>

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 0:09am
Subject: Feature reqests

Jeff,
I don't know if these have been requested before, I couldn't find them 
in the archives.  Firstly, I'm VERY impressed with the palm s/w, and  
looking fwd to V2 of the desktop s/w.  With regard to the desktop, an 
import from (and maybe export to) MS Word would be great. I've been 
forced to use that program in outline mode for some time.  I've 
compared Shadow with Progect (and Thoughtmgr) and found it to be 
streets ahead on features.


- Can you please introduce on screen (in place) editing?  At least 
place the cursor in the mini edit window at the point in the text that 
was tapped, rather than always at the end. Also allow editing with a 
single tap on the text - as a selectable option perhaps?

- An Undo function would be REALLY useful - especially for those 
occasions when you're not quite sure what you've just done ("I know i 
dragged it somewhere but where")

- I would like to create a shopping list in shadow. I tried to set up 
a master list with everything I normally purchase.  My intention was 
to copy this list before a shopping trip & select the items I need (I 
can use the priority tag as a limited 'quantity' indicator - anything 
more than 5 I add to the description.)
The problem is this process is a negative process with respect to 
normal task list methods i.e. I want to select items I want to keep 
(to buy),  rather than going through the list and trying to work out 
what I dont want that day.  This is so that  when I do a 'remove or 
copy completed items to clip', I can create a list of items to buy.  
On the new list I can then easily uncheck everything ready for when I 
visit the shops.

What is needed is some way to select the unchecked items to the 
clipboard or a method of swapping the checked/unchecked items. 
(Perhaps there could be someway to get the 'toggle Checkbox' command 
to work on all items).  It would be nice to be able to select multiple 
items e.g. to delete/copy etc.  (I realise that the capability to move 
multiple items would imply that the items would all have to be at the 
same level.)

- On the subject of shopping lists I tried to have Level1 as progress 
and Level2 a checkboxes.  The 'custom' setup doesn't seem to permit 
this so I was forced to manually change every child (or every parent) 
individually to "checkbox" (if I set default to "progress") or to 
"progress" (if default is "checkbox").  This is quite laborious.  Is 
there any way to specify that a certain level should be a specific 
type?  Could this be introduced?

- The onscreen drag to promote/demote seems tempremental - sometimes 
it doesn't want to work. To left of screen shows "Sibling <-|-> Child" 
but item refuses to drag horizontally (The buttons seem to always work 
in the same situations).

I'd like to echo what several people have noted - the Desktop is 
really needed.  Compared to the brilliant quality of the Palm app it 
is a letdown to then try the desktop.

Not knocking anything, you have a GREAT App, but trying to be helpful.

All the best and have a wonderful vacation.

From: just1dash  <just1dash@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 0:13am
Subject: Re: Can't get VFS support to work

Yes, of course.  I guess that I was not complete enougth in my post.  
I was merely pointing out where the commands were, as it appeared 
that he was looking in the wrong place.  

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, just1dash wrote:
> 
> > It is not in the drop-down menus.  While in the File Selection 
> > Screen, the down arrow next to each file yields a pop-up list 
that 
> > includes the 'Move to Card' option.
> 
> 	If there is an option "Move to Card', then 'Copy to Card' also
> exists (it is the next option; perhaps you need to scroll down for 
some
> reason to see it), or else you're using an alpha version (not 2.2.1
> release) which did not have that option.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Bert Latamore <bertlatamore@y...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > >  I also am not finding any Copy to Card option in any of the 
pull-
> > down menus (List, Transfer, Help). I am using v 2.2.1 on a 
HandEra 
> > 330, and Shadow definitely does use VFS on my system -- almost 
all of 
> > my Shadow files are on a CF card  in <Palm\Programs\ShadowPlan> 
and I 
> > am constantly editing two or three of them on the card. I must be 
> > missing something here.
> > > Bert
> > >   Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, 
kitara 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > sorry for the delay in responding.  Copy to Card does not 
appear 
> > in
> > > > the dropdown list (file menu).  
> > > 
> > >       Are you using the latest Shadow Plan? (2.2.x or later 
supports
> > > VFS). IF you're using the latets version, and dont' get 
the "Copy to
> > > card" type options in the right hand side operation popmenu, it 
> > suggests
> > > Shadow doesn't find VFS available, which suggests your unit 
can't 
> > do it,
> > > your unit doesn't have a card, or somethign is weird. What unit 
do 
> > you
> > > have?
> > > 
> > >             jeff
> > > 
> > > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > ShadowPlan 2.2.1
> > > > > > Visor Prism with Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
> > > > > > MemPlug Module, Compact Flash
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > i haven't been able to get Shadow to recognize my module 
from 
> > within
> > > > > > the program.  i tried both the File Operations Popmenu 
from 
> > the File
> > > > > > list and the category list from within the file. might i 
be 
> > missing a
> > > > > > key point?  i can run programs from the card with 
pidirect....
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > should i try to move the files 
> > to /PALM/Programs/ShadowPlan ?  somehow
> > > > > > i doubt it would help?
> > > > > 
> > > > >       When you are in the file selection screen, in a 
normal 
> > category,
> > > > > and tap on the file operations popmenu, do you see "copy to 
> > card"
> > > > listed?
> > > > > 
> > > > >       Perhaps the version of the software on the memplug 
you're 
> > using
> > > > > doesn't identify itself as VFS properly, so let me know the 
> > previous
> > > > > question and I'll go from there..
> > > > > 
> > > > >             jeff
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
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your 
> > own micro
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I 
> > mean,
> > > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate 
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From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: RE: Vacation until end of April

Looks great, except that you misspelled "inconvenience"!!

Jen

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:12 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Vacation until end of April


	I will be away through to the end of April. Feel free to post
questions, bounce ideas around yourselves, or send email to
support@c..., but I myself won't be answering until I return
from
this much needed break :) I will be catching up and answering all
questions, however.

		jeff

	If you're curious, support@c... will have a auto-reply
email. I worked it over last night, but this may or may not be the final
version:


    Thank you for your interest in Codejedi software! Our products are
built on user feedback and we pride ourselves on a fast response time to
all inquiries and requests for help or information. (With an average of
about 200-300 email questions a day, we've managed to keep up a response
time of a few hours to one day for almost 2 years now!)

    We are taking a much needed vacation from mid to end April however,
so our apologies for any inconveniance a delayed response will cause. If
you have a usage question, feature idea, or general topics of
discussion,
be sure to see our mailing lists and web forums where thousands of other
Shadow Plan users are ready to chat and bounce ideas around with you.
They
may be able to assist you with any basic problems.

    Mailing lists and forums can be found here:

	    http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/maillist.html

    If you have purchased and not yet received a registration code, then
rest assurred it is an automated system and in general you should
receive a
code hours or a day after your order (it takes that long for the order
to 
get to us, at which time is it handled immediately.) If you've waited a
few
days and have not yet received your registration code, you can contact
your
point of purchase (PalmGear or Handango) and request them to reprocess
the
order and it should be caught (on the rare cases where the order is not
sent to us due to email problems or the like).

    If you are having handheld difficulties, the forum and mailing list
archives should have answers, or you can post and see what others think.

    If you are having Shadow Desktop problems (syncing issues, for
example)
then you can try this quick fixer-upper until such time as we return and
can follow up on your questions. 1) Do a file find for "lastsync.txt";
if
it is not found, you likely had an installation problem and need to
re-run
setup22.exe (the current release) to get things working. If you do find
it, then in the same location you will find your Shadow Desktop XML
files
for the files you've asked Shadow to synchronize. 2) Move these XML
files
to somewhere else for safe-keeping. 3) Resync, and you're good to go.

    If you have other questions or need help, rest assured that we will
be plowing through all of your support questions as soon as we return,
and
you should hear from us by the first week of May, at which time we'll be
back into our "reply within a day, if not hours" policy.

    Be sure to check the Handheld Reference Guide and Desktop Reference
Guide
for answers; they can often answer your questions! They can be found in
the .zip file distributions, in your "Start menu" (Windows users only),
and on the website here: http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/manual.html

    Again, thanks for caring so much about our software as to write to
us. We very much appreciate your interest and hope you are enjoying
your Codejedi and Shadow Plan experience as much as thousands of others
have!

Jeff Mitchell
Owner, Senior Developer
Codejedi

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:03am
Subject: Re: using SP as outliner for large documents

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Alan Macdougall wrote:

>             When the only tool you have is a hammer,
>             everything looks like a nail.

	So true :)

> Thanks for the explanation.  If I'm reading you right you are saying
> that I shouldn't have too many problems as long as I've got free
> memory the size of my documents.  And that it might help to keep the
> outlines "rolled up" if I'm not using them?

	Shadow only concerns itself with the currently open list; when
closed, the lists are reasonably compact. But when a list is open, the
more expanded notes, the more cache being taken up. Collapsed notes don't
factor into the items size and dont' get cached into speed-memory.. but
expanded notes factor into scrollbar size and all sorts of optimizations,
so they are kept in the cache and factor into calculations. So if you have
1000 items, no problem. If you have 1000 items all with expanded notes,
your'e going to chug a lot more :)

> The other thing I'm interested in is how people handle the transition
> from an exported DOC file to Word.  I imagine it must be possible to
> write some Macros to do at least some of the cleaning up and
> reformatting.

	Theres DOC editors for your desktop OS, too, so in theory you
could open the DOc in one of them, and then copy/paste into Word.

	You can also use Shadow Desktop to do it -- open your XML (or
PDB) file, and save out as text or HTML or whatever.

		jeff

> 
> later
> 
> Alan
> 
> -- 
> 
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>           (There are black sheep in the brightest flocks.)
> 
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> 
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:13am
Subject: Re: Feature reqests

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, vjornes wrote:

> I don't know if these have been requested before, I couldn't find them
> in the archives.  Firstly, I'm VERY impressed with the palm s/w, and
> looking fwd to V2 of the desktop s/w.  With regard to the desktop, an
> import from (and maybe export to) MS Word would be great. I've been
> forced to use that program in outline mode for some time.  I've
> compared Shadow with Progect (and Thoughtmgr) and found it to be
> streets ahead on features.

	Thanks! We try hard to keep ahead of your wants, not behind :)

> - Can you please introduce on screen (in place) editing?  At least
> place the cursor in the mini edit window at the point in the text that
> was tapped, rather than always at the end. Also allow editing with a
> single tap on the text - as a selectable option perhaps?

	Its lower on my priority, but I suspect I might get into it for
Shafow 3.0... but putting the cursor into the poit tapped, in the mini
editoer, is certainly possible. Bring it up after my vacation.. I'm not
taking electronics with me this time.. I'm all about relaxing for a bit!

> - An Undo function would be REALLY useful - especially for those
> occasions when you're not quite sure what you've just done ("I know i
> dragged it somewhere but where")

	You have "revert", but you must be a little careful; Undo is not
implemented due to the following issue: What if you (say) delete an item,
that has an attached link to ToDo. The ToDo is also deleted if the pref is
set so, otherwise it is orphaned. Imagine if the item was also a parent,
of 50 other items, with links. What is an Undo to do? Bring back the
linked ToDo's from the dead? 

	Sure, it is *possible*, but it would be extremely resource
intensive (kill performance) to keep enough info around to do that level
of undo. I could offer partial undo, but I figured people would begin to
depend on it, and then find out its only partial, and it'd be worse than
having it. So you have "revert" which is a more all or nothing approach,
but you're sacrificing attached links and various other sundries..

> - I would like to create a shopping list in shadow. I tried to set up
> a master list with everything I normally purchase.  My intention was
> to copy this list before a shopping trip & select the items I need (I
> can use the priority tag as a limited 'quantity' indicator - anything
> more than 5 I add to the description.)

	There are some handy copy/paste operations for
this; copy-and-uncheck is quite handy.

> The problem is this process is a negative process with respect to
> normal task list methods i.e. I want to select items I want to keep
> (to buy), rather than going through the list and trying to work out
> what I dont want that day.  This is so that when I do a 'remove or
> copy completed items to clip', I can create a list of items to buy.  
> On the new list I can then easily uncheck everything ready for when I
> visit the shops.
> 
> What is needed is some way to select the unchecked items to the 
> clipboard or a method of swapping the checked/unchecked items. 
> (Perhaps there could be someway to get the 'toggle Checkbox' command 
> to work on all items).  It would be nice to be able to select multiple 
> items e.g. to delete/copy etc.  (I realise that the capability to move 
> multiple items would imply that the items would all have to be at the 
> same level.)

	You can set the clip into "multi" mode and put whatever you like
into it, from any level. In single clip mode, it can take multiple items,
but only one "operations" worth. In multi-clip, all operations append to
the clip buffer until you explicitly clear it. Very handy.

	A "toggle checked" operation is certainly possible if you can
convince anyone else that it is usefull :)

> - On the subject of shopping lists I tried to have Level1 as progress
> and Level2 a checkboxes.  The 'custom' setup doesn't seem to permit
> this so I was forced to manually change every child (or every parent)  
> individually to "checkbox" (if I set default to "progress") or to
> "progress" (if default is "checkbox").  This is quite laborious.  Is
> there any way to specify that a certain level should be a specific
> type?  Could this be introduced?

	Its possible I could do somethign like that in awhile; I'm booked
up for new features for awhile (trying to knock off some very high demand
features, and add stuff to the desktop and conduit as well, in the short
term).

> - The onscreen drag to promote/demote seems tempremental - sometimes
> it doesn't want to work. To left of screen shows "Sibling <-|-> Child"  
> but item refuses to drag horizontally (The buttons seem to always work
> in the same situations).

	The drag and drop definitely works, and very well.. you just need
to know how to use it. I realize that it works the way my brain expects
it, and no one elses, so I will be changing the drag and drop system. But
not for awhile.. its a big job and I'm going to do it after some other
things. Hold on for a bit. Its actually quite useful, once you get the
hang of it ;)

> I'd like to echo what several people have noted - the Desktop is
> really needed.  Compared to the brilliant quality of the Palm app it
> is a letdown to then try the desktop.

	Sure; to many it is a great thing .. it does 80% of what people
*need*, but 20% of what you *want* ;) But its a great help to a greta many
peopel (who just want fast data entry, or printing, or exporting), so I
let it out when its young. Also, that funds development of the keener
features, and the features are developed by your request.. so I release
early and often, so when something is done, its exactly what you want, and
you get it dirt cheap.

> Not knocking anything, you have a GREAT App, but trying to be helpful.

	Hey, suggestions are good. A few of us companies realize that you
have to actually help peopel to stay in business ;)

> All the best and have a wonderful vacation.

	Thanks. Mere hours away..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:02pm
Subject: OT ? about Clie

Jeff,

First of all I hope you have a great vacation, it is well deserved.

I know you have used HandStory. Have you noticed that when you sync stuff
from HandStory that it skips Shadow and DocstoGo? In the morning I have to
sync twice, once to get my HandStory clips, and then to sync SP and Docs
toGo. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this. TIA

Scott

From: Todd Henion  <henion@t...>
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: New From Crashes

on 04/18/02 09:14, shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: New From crashes
> 
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:
> 
>> New From gives me this Fatal Alert error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450,
>> Invalid chunk ptr".  I get this error if i click either of the
>> checkboxes for Undated or Completed or if i click the Done box.  I am
>> able to hit the Reset button and start over.
> 
> Curious.

Jeff,
This is the same MO as I e-mailed you about in February. I use Datebk4/5,
and the item does not end up in Shadow after the crash as no save took
place. It is still in the todo db as that is where I was trying to New it
From.

Line 4450 is the same error. PIIIxe all hacks off, 2.2.1 and all since 2.0.0
As always, 
Todd

From: johnhatto  <jhatto@b...>
Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:02pm
Subject: New user of 2.2.1 trying to Register & Problems with Hotsync

Hi 
Having just heard from Jeff that he is away for a couple of weeks I'd 
like to ask for members help. I'm new to Palm (ex Psion) so may be 
missing something but I have downloaded  2.2.1 from the Shadow site 
and am now trying to register but the supplier's websites appear only 
to offer 2.1 so I can't see how I get a Product code number without 
downloading the wrong product first.  Has anyone crossed this bridge?

 
Also since loading Shadow to my Sony T625C, Hoysync stalls at Mail 
and Shadow whilst the PC says its `Backing up files'.  This may be 
due to a subsequent upgrade to Documents To Go® Pro.  But I am 
raising it with you as well just in case.

John

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 5:35am
Subject: Re: New user of 2.2.1 trying to Register & Problems with Hotsync

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "johnhatto" <jhatto@b...> wrote:
> Hi 
> Having just heard from Jeff that he is away for a couple of weeks
I'd 
> like to ask for members help. I'm new to Palm (ex Psion) so may be 
> missing something but I have downloaded  2.2.1 from the Shadow site 
> and am now trying to register but the supplier's websites appear
only 
> to offer 2.1 so I can't see how I get a Product code number without 
> downloading the wrong product first.  Has anyone crossed this
bridge?
> 
>  
> Also since loading Shadow to my Sony T625C, Hoysync stalls at Mail 
> and Shadow whilst the PC says its `Backing up files'.  This may be 
> due to a subsequent upgrade to Documents To Go® Pro.  But I am 
> raising it with you as well just in case.
> 
> John

John,

I'd be willing to bet that if you download (and discard) the 2.1
version to get the registration code, that code will work to register
2.2.1.

It's just an entry into the "Register" screen in the HH.  Since this
was a free upgrade, the codes should be valid.  I know that I didn't
have to even reenter my original code when I upgraded.  But since I've
never tried this, I can't make any promises.

I'm sure that Jeff will "make it good" once he returns even if it does
not work.

As to the "stalling" problem, I've never seen it on my unit, but I use
a Kyocera (different OS ver), don't sync mail, and don't have
DocsToGo. But I'd be willing to say that SP, by itself, is not causing
the problem.

Ken

From: John Hatto  <jhatto@b...>
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 8:09am
Subject: RE: Re: New user of 2.2.1 trying to Register & Problems with Hotsync

Ken

Thanks - That's just the reassurance I need

John

 

-----Original Message-----
From: kenclatham [mailto:clatham1@t...] 
Sent: 21 April 2002 06:35
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: New user of 2.2.1 trying to Register &
Problems with Hotsync

 

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "johnhatto" <jhatto@b...> wrote:
> Hi 
> Having just heard from Jeff that he is away for a couple of weeks
I'd 
> like to ask for members help. I'm new to Palm (ex Psion) so may be 
> missing something but I have downloaded  2.2.1 from the Shadow site 
> and am now trying to register but the supplier's websites appear
only 
> to offer 2.1 so I can't see how I get a Product code number without 
> downloading the wrong product first.  Has anyone crossed this
bridge?
> 
>  
> Also since loading Shadow to my Sony T625C, Hoysync stalls at Mail 
> and Shadow whilst the PC says its `Backing up files'.  This may be 
> due to a subsequent upgrade to Documents To GoR Pro.  But I am 
> raising it with you as well just in case.
> 
> John

John,

I'd be willing to bet that if you download (and discard) the 2.1
version to get the registration code, that code will work to register
2.2.1.

It's just an entry into the "Register" screen in the HH.  Since this
was a free upgrade, the codes should be valid.  I know that I didn't
have to even reenter my original code when I upgraded.  But since I've
never tried this, I can't make any promises.

I'm sure that Jeff will "make it good" once he returns even if it does
not work.

As to the "stalling" problem, I've never seen it on my unit, but I use
a Kyocera (different OS ver), don't sync mail, and don't have
DocsToGo. But I'd be willing to say that SP, by itself, is not causing
the problem.

Ken






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From: robermax53  <robermax@u...>
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 4:24pm
Subject: Garbled Screen Problems on Clie

Some of my old outlines showed up as garbled screens that would crash
my Clie 615. I've deleted these but I still see them clearly on the
desktop and would like to reinstall. How do I do this?
I'm aslo going to update to latest Shadow.
Thanks
Bob

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:38am
Subject: Re: Garbled Screen Problems on Clie

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "robermax53" <robermax@u...> wrote:
> Some of my old outlines showed up as garbled screens that would
crash
> my Clie 615. I've deleted these but I still see them clearly on the
> desktop and would like to reinstall. How do I do this?
> I'm aslo going to update to latest Shadow.
> Thanks
> Bob

Bob,

You've got copies of the Shadow files on the desktop, right?  So,
just load the file into the desktop and pick "Send file to
Handheld" on the File menu.

Next time you sync the file should reappear on the HH.

I would definitely upgrade, some of the fixes in the new version were
specifically to help syncing with the desktop.  In fact, I'd upgrade
before trying to recover the file, if I were you.  It may be that you
have a file that was susceptible to the bugs in the old conduit (But
then I don't know exactly what youmean by "garbled").

Ken

From: ben6530  <ben6530@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 9:20am
Subject: Does the shadow desktop support double-bite character?

He,
   I am a user from taiwan.
   I find the shadow plan desktop did not support double-bite 
character (BIG5 Code) when I try to export to htm or xml.

   Do you have plan to fix it?

Best Regards,
Ben Huang

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:22pm
Subject: RE: Feature reqests

> - I would like to create a shopping list in shadow. I tried to set up
> a master list with everything I normally purchase.  My intention was
> to copy this list before a shopping trip & select the items I need (I
> can use the priority tag as a limited 'quantity' indicator - anything
> more than 5 I add to the description.)
> The problem is this process is a negative process with respect to
> normal task list methods i.e. I want to select items I want to keep
> (to buy),  rather than going through the list and trying to work out
> what I dont want that day.  This is so that  when I do a 'remove or
> copy completed items to clip', I can create a list of items to buy.
> On the new list I can then easily uncheck everything ready for when I
> visit the shops.

Try this: instead of checking the items you do need, check the items you
DON'T need, then use the 'unchecked items' filter. What you then see is a
list of items you need, all unchecked. As you check them off in the store,
they disappear from view.

...Sam

From: chad10101  <chad10101@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Catagories

Is there any way to have the catagories on the handheld follow the 
task to the desktop program?

From: chad10101  <chad10101@y...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:32pm
Subject: Categories

Is there any way to get the categories that I set up on my handheld 
to follow the task to the desktop program?

From: glearned  <learned@v...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Todo Tag Line

Jeff,

Any thought as to setting up a template for the Todo Tag line? That 
would allow those of us that use MegaWiki to customize the line for 
access within MegaWiki for hot links.

From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 7:24pm
Subject: Re: Categories

You are able to choose the ToDo category that you want SP to use. There is
a list preference, and you can override that in the link dialog for each
item. If you don't change anything the default is "unfiled". Hope this
helps.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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From: robermax53  <robermax@u...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:03am
Subject: Re: Garbled Screen Problems on Clie

Thanks Its working fine now. I recovered the originals without a problem.
Bob

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kenclatham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "robermax53" <robermax@u...> wrote:
> > Some of my old outlines showed up as garbled screens that would
> crash
> > my Clie 615. I've deleted these but I still see them clearly on the
> > desktop and would like to reinstall. How do I do this?
> > I'm aslo going to update to latest Shadow.
> > Thanks
> > Bob
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You've got copies of the Shadow files on the desktop, right?  So,
> just load the file into the desktop and pick "Send file to
> Handheld" on the File menu.
> 
> Next time you sync the file should reappear on the HH.
> 
> I would definitely upgrade, some of the fixes in the new version were
> specifically to help syncing with the desktop.  In fact, I'd upgrade
> before trying to recover the file, if I were you.  It may be that you
> have a file that was susceptible to the bugs in the old conduit (But
> then I don't know exactly what youmean by "garbled").
> 
> Ken

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:32am
Subject: Re: Todo Tag Line

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "glearned" <learned@v...> wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> Any thought as to setting up a template for the Todo Tag line? That 
> would allow those of us that use MegaWiki to customize the line for 
> access within MegaWiki for hot links.

I'm sure Jeff will answer this when he gets back, but I do remember
him getting this suggestion before.

IIRC, Jeff didn't want to complicate his code's recognition of the
string.  He said he thought it would take too much time to search for
all occurrances...

If you look back through the archive, you'll probably find it...

I think there is an alternative for MegaWiki users there too. 
Something  about setting up an application specific pair of markers as
'[' and some other character (which you can add to the file's name.)

Ken

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:41am
Subject: Re: Categories

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "chad10101" <chad10101@y...> wrote:
> Is there any way to get the categories that I set up on my handheld 
> to follow the task to the desktop program?

Which desktop?  They should go to Palm desktop automatically.  If
you're talking about Outlook, there are two ways (kinda).

The first way doesn't actually sync to Outlook, it just carries the
category up. You have to add a custom field to you ToDo for this.  If
it has the right name (and I can't remember what that is right now),
it will be carried to your desktop in that field. (At least, by
Chapura, it will.)

To get it to actually sync with the categories used by Outlook, you
have to set your conduit.  Chapura does this for me.  But you have to
limit yourself to 16 categories on Outlook.

This all assumes you use Chapura with Outlook.  Its in the on-line
help for Windows...

Ken

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:47am
Subject: Re: Does the shadow desktop support double-bite character?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "ben6530" <ben6530@y...> wrote:
> He,
>    I am a user from taiwan.
>    I find the shadow plan desktop did not support double-bite 
> character (BIG5 Code) when I try to export to htm or xml.
> 
>    Do you have plan to fix it?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Ben Huang

Jeff is out on vacation, but I'm pretty sure I can answer this one.

The desktop does not support much right now.  This includes
internationalization of any kind. (But I *could* be wrong).

And, definitely, Jeff plans on adding features to the desktop very
soon.  Although, he wants to get a couple more features, that he
considers critical, into the HH version first.

You'll have to ask him for a scheduled time when he gets back, but
he's always been kinda vague about that...

Ken

From: vashtimd  <jonesmd@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:48am
Subject: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

Did you know that Iambic expects you to RE-purchase software if you 
change handhelds?  There is a new code limit of two.  After that, 
you're expected to pay the registration fee again.

Thought you might like to know....

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:42am
Subject: Re: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

thanks for the info on iambic.  that's vidal for you...no surprise here.
kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: vashtimd 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:48 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!


  Did you know that Iambic expects you to RE-purchase software if you 
  change handhelds?  There is a new code limit of two.  After that, 
  you're expected to pay the registration fee again.

  Thought you might like to know....





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From: jdub733  <jdub733@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:05am
Subject: Re: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "vashtimd" <jonesmd@e...> wrote:
> Did you know that Iambic expects you to RE-purchase software if you 
> change handhelds?  There is a new code limit of two.  After that, 
> you're expected to pay the registration fee again.
> 
> Thought you might like to know....

You ARE joking, right?

I would've thought that regardless of how many times I change my
handheld, as long as only ONE running licence is in existence, I can
keep using the software ad infinitum...

Supposing I end up getting 5 new replacement handhelds from
support...?

Cheers,

Jules.

From: Peggy Darling  <peggy_darling@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: Re: registration weirdness

After using both the HH and DT for quite a while now .
. . For some reason, my desktop has been giving me
messages saying I am unregistered.  I have tried
looking up the registration code and re-pasting it
onto the handheld, then hotsyncing.  The HH says the
registration is successful!  But, after hotsyncing,
the DT still does not recognize me as a registered
user. As a result, only one of my files can hot sync
at a time, and I have quite a few working files!  Can
anybody help me?  

=====
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From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

Then you would have a *legitimate reason* to get a new code from
iambic!! Besides, you can run the software for several days without any
code at all, so if you're going through that many bad handhelds that
fast, most likely you won't even have time to ask for a new license code
before you find out the unit is defective and needs to be returned to
Palm!

Sounds like they're trying to cut down on piracy and software theft.
After all, you could say that you had gotten a new device when you're
just trying to get a code for a friend or a spouse. It's pretty unlikely
that you would go through three total handhelds before coming across one
of the upgrades that they charge for anyway. And if something like
getting five bad replacement handhelds does happen, iambic should give
you a new code, no matter what their stated policy. If they don't,
*that's* when you should get mad as hell and tell everyone about it.

Why don't you wait just a minute and do some research before you jump
all over a problem that you don't even have yet, and may never actually
have??

I personally would like to hear a bit more about vashtimd's supposed
problem with iambic. He or she has been posting the same message all
over YahooGroups, including groups like this one, the m-series group,
etc. where it isn't even on topic!

 
Jen

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-----Original Message-----
From: jdub733 [mailto:jdub733@y...] 

You ARE joking, right?

I would've thought that regardless of how many times I change my
handheld, as long as only ONE running licence is in existence, I can
keep using the software ad infinitum...

Supposing I end up getting 5 new replacement handhelds from
support...?

Cheers,

Jules.

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

does anyone know of any other company with such a policy other than good 'ol Vidal and Iambic?  business as usual from that company, and those that seem to defend iambic's practices time and time again (won't mention who by name).  even bigger issue than this is the fact that iambic refuses to share code on its contacts for smooth integration by other developers like Shadow...not the case with Datebk.  boycott their products when possible i say!
Kevin



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From: radleyp2000  <pradley@r...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:03pm
Subject: Re: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

This is all very interesting, but what does it have to do with 
ShadowPlan, unless of course it shows that there are reasonable and 
trusting developers (like Jeff), and then there's Iambic. PDR --- In 
shadow-discuss@y..., "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...> wrote:
> Then you would have a *legitimate reason* to get a new code from
> iambic!! Besides, you can run the software for several days without 
any
> code at all, so if you're going through that many bad handhelds that
> fast, most likely you won't even have time to ask for a new license 
code
> before you find out the unit is defective and needs to be returned 
to
> Palm!
> 
> Sounds like they're trying to cut down on piracy and software theft.
> After all, you could say that you had gotten a new device when 
you're
> just trying to get a code for a friend or a spouse. It's pretty 
unlikely
> that you would go through three total handhelds before coming across 
one
> of the upgrades that they charge for anyway. And if something like
> getting five bad replacement handhelds does happen, iambic should 
give
> you a new code, no matter what their stated policy. If they don't,
> *that's* when you should get mad as hell and tell everyone about it.
> 
> Why don't you wait just a minute and do some research before you 
jump
> all over a problem that you don't even have yet, and may never 
actually
> have??
> 
> I personally would like to hear a bit more about vashtimd's supposed
> problem with iambic. He or she has been posting the same message all
> over YahooGroups, including groups like this one, the m-series 
group,
> etc. where it isn't even on topic!
> 
>  
> Jen
> 
> -------------
> PocketGoddess
> http://www.pocketgoddess.com
> 98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdub733 [mailto:jdub733@y...] 
> 
> You ARE joking, right?
> 
> I would've thought that regardless of how many times I change my
> handheld, as long as only ONE running licence is in existence, I can
> keep using the software ad infinitum...
> 
> Supposing I end up getting 5 new replacement handhelds from
> support...?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jules.

From: vashtimd  <jonesmd@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: OT: Iambic expects you to REpurchase its software!

I labelled the topic OT so others could skip it.  

However, a nice person at Iambic DID finally update my codes.  I hope 
this Clie lasts for a while!

From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:49pm
Subject: Re: Feature reqests

> i.e. I want to select items I want to 
keep
> > (to buy),  rather than going through the list and trying to work 
out
> > what I dont want that day.  
> 
> Try this: instead of checking the items you do need, check the items 
you
> DON'T need, then use the 'unchecked items' filter. What you then see 
is a
> list of items you need, all unchecked. As you check them off in the 
store,
> they disappear from view.
> 
> ...Sam

Thanks - thats the whole problem right there - when I'm at home and I 
think of an item I need, I'm not going to check everything BUT that - 
it doesn't make sense (intuitivly) and takes WAY too much time.  
What's needed IMO is for the "toggle checkbox" menu item to be moved 
to the List menu (and apply to the whole list).  - Does anyone 
actually use the pull down menu to check off an item? (the graffiti 
diagonal shortcut should probably remain item specific).

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Feature reqests

vjornes wrote:

...thats the whole problem right there - when I'm at home and I
think of an item I need, I'm not going to check everything BUT that -
it doesn't make sense (intuitivly) and takes WAY too much time....

But if you STARTED with everything checked, then you could uncheck only the
item that you thought of. Then when you procured that item you would check
it back off again. While this may seem counter-intuitive to you now, it
does make sense (unchecked means needed, checked means not needed), and it
is a workable option that requires no programming. Just my .02.

Scott

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:37pm
Subject: Re: registration weirdness

First I'd try completely uninstalling, and then reinstalling the 
desktop. Maybe something got mangled and a clean install will 
probably fix that. Besides, it's not an earth shattering effort as 
the Shadow desktop is pretty much of the install-and-you're-set-to-go 
type.

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Peggy Darling <peggy_darling@y...> wrote:
> After using both the HH and DT for quite a while now .
> . . For some reason, my desktop has been giving me
> messages saying I am unregistered.  I have tried
> looking up the registration code and re-pasting it
> onto the handheld, then hotsyncing.  The HH says the
> registration is successful!  But, after hotsyncing,
> the DT still does not recognize me as a registered
> user. As a result, only one of my files can hot sync
> at a time, and I have quite a few working files!  Can
> anybody help me?  
> 
> =====
> Peggy_darling@y..."Sorrow shared is halved and joy shared is 
doubled."             Native American Saying
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From: vjornes  <vjornes@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 10:52pm
Subject: Re: Feature reqests

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> But if you STARTED with everything checked, then you could uncheck 
only the
> item that you thought of. Then when you procured that item you would 
check
> it back off again. While this may seem counter-intuitive to you now, 
it
> does make sense (unchecked means needed, checked means not needed), 
and it
> is a workable option that requires no programming. Just my .02.
> Scott

Now there's an idea :-)  I'd been thinking along the lines of creating 
a trip specific (sub)-list, and that didn't work even starting with 
everything checked.  Nice thinking 'outside the box' - Thanks.

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:33pm
Subject: I need your help to re-register my shadowplan software!

Jeff is out of town and I thought you or somebody on this board may 
have had the same problem.

When the battery of my palm died, the software(shadowplan) went back 
to unregistered version and now I have to do the register steps again.

I typed in the reg code just like it said to do when I registered  
and the software won't accept them!!!

I am sure I am not alone in this and therefor hope somebody is able 
to point me in the right direction! Thank you,

Carina

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 6:22am
Subject: Re: I need your help to re-register my shadowplan software!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "carinas30" <doggyloo@e...> wrote:
> Jeff is out of town and I thought you or somebody on this board may 
> have had the same problem.
> 
> When the battery of my palm died, the software(shadowplan) went
back 
> to unregistered version and now I have to do the register steps
again.
> 
> I typed in the reg code just like it said to do when I registered  
> and the software won't accept them!!!
> 
> I am sure I am not alone in this and therefor hope somebody is able 
> to point me in the right direction! Thank you,
> 
> Carina

Question: Did you sync once so that your HH would be given a "sync
name"?  That name has to be the same as when you registered for the
registration code to unlock the software.

Ken

From: agreene@p...
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 3:40pm
Subject: display glitch with scrollbar and mini editor?

If I have a fairly short list, with the mini editor enabled, and I add
an item which spans several lines, and which causes the scrollbar to
come up, the width of all the elements on the list is not recomputed,
and the scrollbar overlaps the progress indicators.

Once I've actually scrolled, it redraws correctly.

Is this a known issue? 

- Andrew

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:12am
Subject: Re: display glitch with scrollbar and mini editor?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., agreene@p... wrote:
> 
> If I have a fairly short list, with the mini editor enabled, and I
add
> an item which spans several lines, and which causes the scrollbar to
> come up, the width of all the elements on the list is not
recomputed,
> and the scrollbar overlaps the progress indicators.
> 
> Once I've actually scrolled, it redraws correctly.
> 
> Is this a known issue? 
> 
> - Andrew


I thought this was taken care of.  I don't remember any residual
issues with it.  However...

I can confirm this happens.  I can make it happen on demand.

On mine, however, I can not get to the scroll bar, it pops up the
"Link Manager" dialog box, I assume because it is the link field that
over laps.  Just about any action, including reopening the Mini-Editor
causes a replot and the problem goes away.

Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, SP 2.2.1 HH


Ken

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: Re: I need your help to re-register my shadowplan software!

KEN!!
I have synced multible times since I registered Shadowplan. And I did 
not change my User ID either. Hmmm. I am going to try again today 
(since I rebooted). 

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kenclatham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "carinas30" <doggyloo@e...> wrote:
> > Jeff is out of town and I thought you or somebody on this board 
may 
> > have had the same problem.
> > 
> > When the battery of my palm died, the software(shadowplan) went
> back 
> > to unregistered version and now I have to do the register steps
> again.
> > 
> > I typed in the reg code just like it said to do when I 
registered  
> > and the software won't accept them!!!
> > 
> > I am sure I am not alone in this and therefor hope somebody is 
able 
> > to point me in the right direction! Thank you,
> > 
> > Carina
> 
> Question: Did you sync once so that your HH would be given a "sync
> name"?  That name has to be the same as when you registered for the
> registration code to unlock the software.
> 
> Ken

From: xxxdpxxx  <dave_p_1@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 9:43pm
Subject: Desktop Registration - Possible Solution?

I just purchased the desktop expansion and was trying to get it to 
recognize that it is registered.  I entered the desktop registration 
code into the Palm and hotsynced ... nothing.  I tried it while the 
desktop was running ... nothing.  I uninstalled and reinstalled the 
desktop (after I finally found the uninstall name) ... nothing.

Finally I hit on a solution.  I had been running Shadow from my 
expansion card.  I moved it to RAM, entered the desktop registration 
code, and then hotsynced ... bingo.

Jeff, when you get back from vacation, you might check to see if this 
makes sense as a potential problem and solution.  If so, I would 
suggest adding it to the manual.  Also, at some point, I would 
suggest changing the desktop's name in the uninstall file to "Shadow 
Plan".  It would simplify things.

Thanks,

Dave

From: deanna  <kitara@y...>
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 4:44am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 471

<<<
Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: New From crashes

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, kitara wrote:

> New From gives me this Fatal Alert error
"MemoryMgr.c, Line:4450,
> Invalid chunk ptr".  I get this error if i click
either of the
> checkboxes for Undated or Completed or if i click
the Done box.  I am
> able to hit the Reset button and start over.

	Curious.
>>>

Somehow, this problem dissapeared the next time i used
New From... (about a week later).

<<<
> Interestingly enough, the first three times i had
done this i had
> added a item to the list which was automatically
linked to the ToDo
> Llist.  Since I had to do a soft reset that item
wasn't saved in
> shadow but it was on my todo list in AN.  I ended up
with 3 copies
> (with minor variations) in AN.

	You mean you hit New From, hit Done, and got a crash,
and item was
added to ToDo database? Can't see that being
possible.. (okay, 
remotely,
but I don't think so ;)

>>>

Nope.  I worded it badly.  What I did was:
1)  Entered a new item into shadow using the
mini-editor.  This item was automatically linked to
the todo database.
2)Sarted New From..., received the error above and had
to reset.
3) Start Shadow and note that item entered in step 1
doesn't show up.
4) Repeat steps 1-3 two more times.
5) Go to AN to find that the Item in step 1 was
successfully linked even though it never was saved in
shadow.

<<<


	MegaLauncher. I was a SS user but had to switch: 1)
No high res
support (though they added it recently, but its not
very well done),
2) Very slow (goign to launcher took many seconds and
annoyed me), and
3) It doesn't cache categories.

	(2) and (3) were the clinchers. 

	MegaLauncher caches categories and such, and as such
comes up
faster and remembers where things go through card
pulls (and pidirect
stop/starts).

	That is extremely important, since hotsync or adding
new things to
pidirect requires you to stop/start pidirect :/

>>>
Thanks for the recommendation.  I will look into
MegaLauncher.  I also have been tempted to turn to DB5
instead of AN5 because of some AN quirks.  I just keep
on telling myself that AN works well enough and that I
don't have time to learn new software or money to buy
another replacement program.  Besides, i have faith
that iambic is listening and willeventually get to
fixing things....

As far as the subject phantom bug goes, I'll let you
know if it comes up again...

Thanks!
deanna
<<<
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From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Registration - Possible Solution?

Depending on how you run Shadow from your expansion card, this will 
never work. Applications residing on an expansion card are not 
recognized by HotSync and thus the Shadow registration mechanism (as 
well as all file sync attempts beyond that point) will not work.

One exception is if you do this using PiDirect which runs 
applications directly from the card (instead of copying them to RAM 
first) and also has an option for those apps to be included in the 
HotSync process.

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "xxxdpxxx" <dave_p_1@y...> wrote:
> I just purchased the desktop expansion and was trying to get it to 
> recognize that it is registered.  I entered the desktop 
registration 
> code into the Palm and hotsynced ... nothing.  I tried it while the 
> desktop was running ... nothing.  I uninstalled and reinstalled the 
> desktop (after I finally found the uninstall name) ... nothing.
> 
> Finally I hit on a solution.  I had been running Shadow from my 
> expansion card.  I moved it to RAM, entered the desktop 
registration 
> code, and then hotsynced ... bingo.
> 
> Jeff, when you get back from vacation, you might check to see if 
this 
> makes sense as a potential problem and solution.  If so, I would 
> suggest adding it to the manual.  Also, at some point, I would 
> suggest changing the desktop's name in the uninstall file 
to "Shadow 
> Plan".  It would simplify things.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Sun Apr 28, 2002 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Registration - Possible Solution?

Depending on how you run Shadow from your expansion card, this will 
never work. Applications residing on an expansion card are not 
recognized by HotSync and thus the Shadow registration mechanism (as 
well as all file sync attempts beyond that point) will not work.

One exception is if you do this using PiDirect which runs 
applications directly from the card (instead of copying them to RAM 
first) and also has an option for those apps to be included in the 
HotSync process.

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "xxxdpxxx" <dave_p_1@y...> wrote:
> I just purchased the desktop expansion and was trying to get it to 
> recognize that it is registered.  I entered the desktop 
registration 
> code into the Palm and hotsynced ... nothing.  I tried it while the 
> desktop was running ... nothing.  I uninstalled and reinstalled the 
> desktop (after I finally found the uninstall name) ... nothing.
> 
> Finally I hit on a solution.  I had been running Shadow from my 
> expansion card.  I moved it to RAM, entered the desktop 
registration 
> code, and then hotsynced ... bingo.
> 
> Jeff, when you get back from vacation, you might check to see if 
this 
> makes sense as a potential problem and solution.  If so, I would 
> suggest adding it to the manual.  Also, at some point, I would 
> suggest changing the desktop's name in the uninstall file 
to "Shadow 
> Plan".  It would simplify things.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave

From: Greg Thelen  <gthelen@a...>
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:42am
Subject: Multiple desktops

Has anyone successfully been synchronizing one Palm device Shadow Plan
against multiple Shadow Desktops?  I have an office and home system
with Shadow Desktop.  I'm noticing some very strange behaviour when
syncing with both desktop systems.  I'm seeing entries being
duplicated and entries being reparented.

Any help would be appreciated.

--
Greg

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 6:10am
Subject: Re: Multiple desktops

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Greg Thelen <gthelen@a...> wrote:
> Has anyone successfully been synchronizing one Palm device Shadow
Plan
> against multiple Shadow Desktops?  I have an office and home system
> with Shadow Desktop.  I'm noticing some very strange behaviour when
> syncing with both desktop systems.  I'm seeing entries being
> duplicated and entries being reparented.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> --
> Greg

I think if you search the archives this issue has come up more than
once.  IIRC, Jeff knows that the last set of fixes to the conduit did
not fix *all* cases where this happens.

As far as I know, Jeff is planning on rewriting the conduit when he
makes upcoming major changes in the desktop version of the software.

I'm working from memory here, so you might want to wait till Jeff
answers to know the *whole* truth...

Ken

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 7:42am
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops

The current Shadow conduit doesn't have the complex logic to resolve syncing
to multiple PCs.  The duplicate entries you see is actually a safety
mechanism to protect against accidentally losing any of your data.  If you
sync to one PC, change some Shadow files, then sync to another PC, change
some more Shadow files, and sync back to the first PC, the Shadow conduit on
the first PC cannot rely on any record modification flag to determine which
record is new or changed.  And because Shadow data is much more complex
than, say, an Address Book entry, due to its hierarchical nature, it takes a
lot of work to resolve the differences properly so things are not lost or
out of place.  Before Jeff can get that logic worked out, he coded the
conduit to simply duplicate the conflicting entries so you can massage them
yourselves.

For the next version of the conduit, I believe Jeff is working on options
for "Handheld overwrites Desktop" and "Desktop overwrites Handheld."  This
will probably take care of most situations with multiple Desktops.

I'm sure if I mis-spoke, Jeff will correct me :-)

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "kenclatham" <clatham1@t...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:10 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Multiple desktops


> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Greg Thelen <gthelen@a...> wrote:
> > Has anyone successfully been synchronizing one Palm device Shadow
> Plan
> > against multiple Shadow Desktops?  I have an office and home system
> > with Shadow Desktop.  I'm noticing some very strange behaviour when
> > syncing with both desktop systems.  I'm seeing entries being
> > duplicated and entries being reparented.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Greg
>
> I think if you search the archives this issue has come up more than
> once.  IIRC, Jeff knows that the last set of fixes to the conduit did
> not fix *all* cases where this happens.
>
> As far as I know, Jeff is planning on rewriting the conduit when he
> makes upcoming major changes in the desktop version of the software.
>
> I'm working from memory here, so you might want to wait till Jeff
> answers to know the *whole* truth...
>
> Ken
>

From: bryanpflug  <bryan@p...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 4:36pm
Subject: Re: Multiple desktops

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Greg Thelen <gthelen@a...> wrote:
> Has anyone successfully been synchronizing one Palm device Shadow 
Plan
> against multiple Shadow Desktops?  I have an office and home system
> with Shadow Desktop.  I'm noticing some very strange behaviour when
> syncing with both desktop systems.  I'm seeing entries being
> duplicated and entries being reparented.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> --
> Greg
I've had this problem as well, and have had to abandon using it in 
both environments for that reason.

From: Tom & Christiane Moughan  <moughan@e...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Bug? Solution: HotSync crashes on Shadow sync

Don't think I've seen this listed as a "bug".  I re-installed the latest Shadow
version with Desktop at work.   The admins at work "rebuilt my machine",
including the latest Palm desktop, hotsync, and Intellisync to sync to Lotus
Notes. There are two Palm users, myself and the admin.

When I installed the Shadow desktop,(the automatic install),  I selected only
myself as the Shadow user, not the admin.  When I sync'd the first time, hotsync
crashed when it started to sync shadow.  It was consistent.  If I set the Shadow
conduit to "do nothing" everything sync'd fine without a crash.  If I set Shadow
to sync, hotsync crashed.

I reinstalled Shadow "over itself", but I decided to select "all Users" instead,
and Shadow syncs just fine, no Hotsync crash!

The machine is a Windows NT 4.0, service pack 6

So, when asked what users to install Shadow for, include everyone!!

>> Tom

From: mhdickens  <mkdickens@a...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 0:08pm
Subject: Re: Multiple desktops

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "bryanpflug" <bryan@p...> wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Greg Thelen <gthelen@a...> wrote:
> > Has anyone successfully been synchronizing one Palm device Shadow 
> Plan
> > against multiple Shadow Desktops?  I have an office and home 
system
> > with Shadow Desktop.  I'm noticing some very strange behaviour 
when
> > syncing with both desktop systems.  I'm seeing entries being
> > duplicated and entries being reparented.
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > --
> > Greg
> I've had this problem as well, and have had to abandon using it in 
> both environments for that reason.

I also have experienced this problem. I asked Jeff whether there was 
a work-around such that syncing Shadow against one of the 2 desktop's 
I use would transfer handheld-to-desktop only. He suggested that I 
delete the shadow XML files from this particular desktop. Sadly this 
didn't work.

Mark

From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops

Mark said:

I also have experienced this problem. I asked Jeff whether there was
a work-around such that syncing Shadow against one of the 2 desktop's
I use would transfer handheld-to-desktop only. He suggested that I
delete the shadow XML files from this particular desktop. Sadly this
didn't work.

If you delete the ShadP-filename.XML EACH TIME before you sync to the PC,
you should have no duplicates. I tested this a couple of times and it
worked. It was just too much effort, so I only sync at 1 PC now. Mark, what
problem did you have?

Scott

From: Greg Thelen  <gthelen@a...>
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 0:28am
Subject: Re: Multiple desktops

>    Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:36:10 -0000
>    From: "bryanpflug" <bryan@p...>
> Subject: Re: Multiple desktops
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Greg Thelen <gthelen@a...> wrote:
> > Has anyone successfully been synchronizing one Palm device Shadow 
> Plan
> > against multiple Shadow Desktops?  I have an office and home system
> > with Shadow Desktop.  I'm noticing some very strange behaviour when
> > syncing with both desktop systems.  I'm seeing entries being
> > duplicated and entries being reparented.
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > --
> > Greg
>
> I've had this problem as well, and have had to abandon using it in 
> both environments for that reason.

The way I deal with multiple desktops is to delete all the .XML
database files from the Windows system before I sync for the first
time of that day.

So far things seem to work.

--
Greg

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:05am
Subject: Re: Re: Multiple desktops

Ok, ok, enough of the desktop complaining.  We had this for a while in the past, and then learned Jeff's intentions.  He is doing all this himself, and letting all of us in on the decision-making so slow it down.  He indicated MANY times that first he was going to get the handheld perfected, or close to it, so one of the two works exceptionally.  He took a long overdue vacation right now, and indicated when he returned there are only a few items left to complete on the handheld before concentrating solely on the desktop for a while.  Time estimates seemed to suggest some time in June he will be on the desktop and presumably those in the test group will get alphas and betas at regular intervals.  If all goes as planned and as he has done on the handheld, updates will come often with the major requests first and working on towards the lesser requested items.  The handheld is AWESOME compared to when it first arrived on the scene, and i have no doubt the desktop will match in quality.  I too want the desktop now, but wake up to reality.  Do all of your clients get their product now because they want it?  You work as fast as possible and produce quality.  In the long run we will all be happy.  So quit complaining about the same thing, wait, or go in the archives and read the complaints and responses until you are tired of hearing it and then wait until Jeff can humanly get to all the requests he has received about the desktop over the past year.  Sorry to be so direct, but have heard the same stuff for too many emails now, and all those questions are in the archives and have been answered MANY times in the past.  If you were here from the start, like many of us, you'd appreciate the way Jeff does things and just wait until the fine product is completed.  Enjoy the handheld in the meantime, and i'm sure you will find the desktop final version will have been worth the wait.  Hope all is well otherwise with all of you and that you are enjoying time with those close ones in your life too!
See ya, 
Kevin


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From: mhdickens  <mkdickens@a...>
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 9:33am
Subject: Re: Multiple desktops

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> Mark said:
> 
> I also have experienced this problem. I asked Jeff whether there was
> a work-around such that syncing Shadow against one of the 2 
desktop's
> I use would transfer handheld-to-desktop only. He suggested that I
> delete the shadow XML files from this particular desktop. Sadly this
> didn't work.
> 
> If you delete the ShadP-filename.XML EACH TIME before you sync to 
the PC,
> you should have no duplicates. I tested this a couple of times and 
it
> worked. It was just too much effort, so I only sync at 1 PC now. 
Mark, what
> problem did you have?
> 
> Scott

I think that this is the crux. I only ever notice the problem *whilst 
I am working* and consequently I haven't pursued the source of the 
problem. The problem I have is that despite religiously deleting the 
XML files on my home PC, duplicate items (which have been recently 
modified on my handheld) appear, I have thus far only noticed these 
after sync to PC at my workplace.
 In fairness, Jeff's suggestion seemed to help and although it is an 
inconvenience to delete these duplicates, they are presented on the 
handheld in chron. order of modification which also helps. Clearly I 
don't work hard enough for it to be a real problem :)
  To re-iterate what Kevin said the handheld app. is (otherwise) 
superb.

Mark.

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Fri May 3, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: Categories lost after hard reset

Alas, I finally had to hard reset my Clie (my fault too, mucking with files
and forgetting they're on the memory stick...)

After restoring from the Desktop (the native Palm Desktop
pick-a-hotsync-name-and-it-will-automatically-restore way), all the Shadow
files got category Unfiled.  I had to recreate all the custom categories and
reassign the files.  After doing that and poking around with Filez, I notice
the database ShadCat doesn't have the backup flag enabled.  I assume this is
where all the Shadow categories are kept.  Without the backup flag, it would
have never backed up to the PC.  So, my question is, is there a reason why
the categories aren't backed up to the PC for possible restore?  By the way,
I don't have the Shadow Desktop installed on this particular PC so don't
know if that would've made a difference.

Before any of you suggest I use BackupBuddy or CardBackup or some other
third-party backup program to catch all the files, I just want to find out
if the ShadCat backup flag is an oversight that should be corrected.

Ling

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 9:41pm
Subject: I am returned!

Thought I'd let you know I'm back in the saddle (though much burnt
;), and working on catching up on emails. Just so you know, the main body
of email I received in the two week absence was a mere 1968 pieces (not
including spam or auto-filed junk, etc), which is what, about 150 a day
give or take? A slow period!

	It'll likely take a couple days to catch up (we'll see!), before I
get back into things as normal.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jan Erik Moström  <lists@m...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 6:14am
Subject: Re: I am returned!

2002-05-05 17:41: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> is believed to
have typed:

>     Thought I'd let you know I'm back in the saddle (though much
>     burnt ;), and working on catching up on emails. Just so you
>     know, the main body of email I received in the two week
>     absence was a mere 1968 pieces (not including spam or
>     auto-filed junk, etc), which is what, about 150 a day give or
>     take? A slow period!
> 
>     It'll likely take a couple days to catch up (we'll see!),
>     before I get back into things as normal.

Welcome back, I hope you had a nice vaccation

                jem
-- 
Jan Erik Moström   jem@m...    www.mostrom.pp.se

From: Michael Walter  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 486

Welcome back Jeff,

Do give us details of the vacation - sounds like it involved a beach!
Some of us have to live vicariously !! :)

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   Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 17:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: I am returned!


	Thought I'd let you know I'm back in the saddle (though much
burnt
;), and working on catching up on emails. Just so you know, the main
body
of email I received in the two week absence was a mere 1968 pieces (not
including spam or auto-filed junk, etc), which is what, about 150 a day
give or take? A slow period!

	It'll likely take a couple days to catch up (we'll see!), before
I
get back into things as normal.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 2
   Date: Mon,  6 May 2002 08:14:01 +0200
   From: Jan Erik Moström <lists@m...>
Subject: Re: I am returned!

2002-05-05 17:41: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> is believed to
have typed:

>     Thought I'd let you know I'm back in the saddle (though much
>     burnt ;), and working on catching up on emails. Just so you
>     know, the main body of email I received in the two week
>     absence was a mere 1968 pieces (not including spam or
>     auto-filed junk, etc), which is what, about 150 a day give or
>     take? A slow period!
> 
>     It'll likely take a couple days to catch up (we'll see!),
>     before I get back into things as normal.

Welcome back, I hope you had a nice vaccation

                jem
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 1:20pm
Subject: Re: I am returned!

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Jan Erik [iso-8859-1] Moström wrote:

> Welcome back, I hope you had a nice vaccation

	Two weeks in Negril, Jamaica. Probably one of the best two weeks
I've had, and a major shock to come home and find out it snowed the day
after I left. (muahuahuahua)

	Only 1700 emails to go :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: David Torrent Santiago  <davidtorrent@m...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 2:56pm
Subject: Requested feature

Hello!

I've just bought this program because I think it's an excellent application but it could be very interesting if could have a graphic view, like Ms project of your tasks.

Bye.

David.


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From: Jan Erik Moström  <lists@m...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 4:49pm
Subject: Re: I am returned!

2002-05-06 09:20: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> is believed to
have typed:

> Two weeks in Negril, Jamaica. Probably one of the best two weeks
> I've had,

Hmmmm ... I don't really know what to say here ... 8-)
-- 
Jan Erik Moström   jem@m...    www.mostrom.pp.se

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: Re: Requested feature

On Mon, 6 May 2002, David Torrent Santiago wrote:

> I've just bought this program because I think it's an excellent
> application but it could be very interesting if could have a graphic
> view, like Ms project of your tasks.

	Just off the cuff..

	I have partially implmented something like this in the desktop
application (this module not yet available), and am undecided about it on
the handheld; Shadow is used by a great many people for a wide variety of
things.. so many people have no need of a graphical gantt type view, and
others wouldnt' want to bloat the application. So I may add a module to do
it for those who want it, but its a lower priority. The desktop will
certainly get it, and before the handheld gets it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_