From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:

> 1) The new todos are only presented if the list preference specifies it.

	Overhead for user.

> 2) There is a "Not now" button which allows the user to defer todo
> selection until later

> 3) I don't think you would need to store anything in each todo;
> couldn't each list simply store a date, which was the last time todos
> were scanned?  This date could be compared to each todo's creation
> date to determine which todos to present.  Todos which are already
> linked in another list would also not be re-presented.

	How would we know if they're already linked or not? :) We can't
store things into ToDo, and scanning through thousands of items for each
todo would make this impossible.

> 4) A regular Shadow user probably wouldn't have 100's of new todos; if
> they did, they could always select "not now" or "None" or "All"

	... but they *could* ;) (You have to plan for expected uses, and
for unexpected, and handle them equally well ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: softeng_2000  <softeng_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:37pm
Subject: Re: "New From..." bugs

Sorry for the unclarity - newly added items in Shadow created using "New from..." sort to the end of the Shadow item list even if the preference is set to sort on change.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> 
> > 1) Shadow doesn't list todos lower than priority 2 on my m515
> > 2) Shadow doesn't list todos without a date, even if "Undated?" is
> > selected
> 
> 	On some units, due to some setting somewhere, this happens. Its
> more insidious than this however.. its somethign to do with repeating and
> protected items, or the like. I'm going to look into that in a few weeks,
> after I taker a brief break. Its a very starnge bug :/
> 
> > 3) Newly added todos don't sort into place, instead they appear at end
> > of list until a change is made to them (sort on change preference is
> > selected)
> 
> 	Newly added todos from where? (todos created through linking in
> Shadow?)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Removing Conduit/Desktop

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 shadowplan@a... wrote:

> > 	I'll be adding a "handheld overwrites desktop" option to take care
> > of these sorts of things. Not as protective, but probably more what people
> > need.
> 
> Any idea when this might be done?  I don't mean to rush you or
> anything, but having to delete duplicate items every couple of days or
> so is pretty annoying...

	I'm taking a short vacation; then I'll be doing it.. so hopefully
somethign in 6 weeks or so. Best I can do :(

	If its working out badly for you (some versions and installations
of HM are worse than others) you can do a painful thing of turning off
Shadow sync when you first sit down at the new desktop, and then turn it
back on and do a second sync. (This way Hotsync Manager tells Shadow it is
a safe sync, since its syncing for the 2nd time on the same machine)

	I have to think about it a bit.. this is careful stuff. Shadow is
duplicating to protect you. Changes ot this will be less protective.

	I think at minimum I'm goign to add some code to ignore change
flags if the items just look the same, more or less. "Sure, you say its
changed, but I think theyr'e too close to worry". But as you can see,
taking safeties off is a black art.. how close do they have to be? What is
the usual change that causes a changed-flag to be active, that shoudl be
discarded? Is there something your'e doing more oftne than others, which
registers as a change when it shouldn't?

	Etc..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: "New From..." bugs

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:

> Sorry for the unclarity - newly added items in Shadow created using
> "New from..." sort to the end of the Shadow item list even if the
> preference is set to sort on change.

	Hmm, okay. Any change in the list should fix that. Hmm. I think
its the same behaviour for any new item.. when you hit New, t places it
after the selected itrem, or at the end of the list if none selected,
regardless of sort. I'll have to think about it, if it should sort right
away or not.

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> > 
> > > 1) Shadow doesn't list todos lower than priority 2 on my m515
> > > 2) Shadow doesn't list todos without a date, even if "Undated?" is
> > > selected
> > 
> > 	On some units, due to some setting somewhere, this happens. Its
> > more insidious than this however.. its somethign to do with repeating and
> > protected items, or the like. I'm going to look into that in a few weeks,
> > after I taker a brief break. Its a very starnge bug :/
> > 
> > > 3) Newly added todos don't sort into place, instead they appear at end
> > > of list until a change is made to them (sort on change preference is
> > > selected)
> > 
> > 	Newly added todos from where? (todos created through linking in
> > Shadow?)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: maclover88  <maclover88@m...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:15pm
Subject: Re: mac?

I'm just curious how other Mac user's are using Shadow?

Sorry I have not been following things lately. I'm trying to streamline my
life as much as possible.
I bought shadow plan because of your plans to have a Mac desktop component.
As I said in a previous post, I love Shadow but after using it for a while,
I am now back to using just the Memo(& Note list on my Palm Desktop) only
for crucuial info and not using Shadow at all.

No pressure but I suffer everyday and I'm still looking forward to being
able to use Shadow efficiently between my Visor and Mac G4.

Jim

<The Mac port pseudo
<builds now, but I have some work to do, and it is broken for international
<support. But I hope to get an alpha out in 2 months. I'm sorry for the
<delay, but such is life :/
<
<           jeff



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From: softeng_2000  <softeng_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:31pm
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

> 	How would we know if they're already linked or not? :) We can't
> store things into ToDo, and scanning through thousands of items for each
> todo would make this impossible.

OK; good point.  However, Shadow does optionally store information in the todo now anyway ("Append Origin"); you could use that info plus the creation date to determine whether to present a todo.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> 
> > 1) The new todos are only presented if the list preference specifies it.
> 
> 	Overhead for user.
> 
> > 2) There is a "Not now" button which allows the user to defer todo
> > selection until later
> 
> > 3) I don't think you would need to store anything in each todo;
> > couldn't each list simply store a date, which was the last time todos
> > were scanned?  This date could be compared to each todo's creation
> > date to determine which todos to present.  Todos which are already
> > linked in another list would also not be re-presented.
> 
> 	How would we know if they're already linked or not? :) We can't
> store things into ToDo, and scanning through thousands of items for each
> todo would make this impossible.
> 
> > 4) A regular Shadow user probably wouldn't have 100's of new todos; if
> > they did, they could always select "not now" or "None" or "All"
> 
> 	... but they *could* ;) (You have to plan for expected uses, and
> for unexpected, and handle them equally well ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: softeng_2000  <softeng_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:37pm
Subject: Re: "New From..." bugs

>I think
> its the same behaviour for any new item.. when you hit New, t places it
> after the selected itrem, or at the end of the list if none selected,
> regardless of sort. 

Jeff, new items created by entering text or "New" sort correctly right away

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for the unclarity - newly added items in Shadow created using
> > "New from..." sort to the end of the Shadow item list even if the
> > preference is set to sort on change.
> 
> 	Hmm, okay. Any change in the list should fix that. Hmm. I think
> its the same behaviour for any new item.. when you hit New, t places it
> after the selected itrem, or at the end of the list if none selected,
> regardless of sort. I'll have to think about it, if it should sort right
> away or not.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 1) Shadow doesn't list todos lower than priority 2 on my m515
> > > > 2) Shadow doesn't list todos without a date, even if "Undated?" is
> > > > selected
> > > 
> > > 	On some units, due to some setting somewhere, this happens. Its
> > > more insidious than this however.. its somethign to do with repeating and
> > > protected items, or the like. I'm going to look into that in a few weeks,
> > > after I taker a brief break. Its a very starnge bug :/
> > > 
> > > > 3) Newly added todos don't sort into place, instead they appear at end
> > > > of list until a change is made to them (sort on change preference is
> > > > selected)
> > > 
> > > 	Newly added todos from where? (todos created through linking in
> > > Shadow?)
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:41pm
Subject: Poll results for shadow-discuss

The following shadow-discuss poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: (colour units only) Do you want
colourized priority and progress bar
icons? (right now they are all blue as
you know). For example, we could use
greens for progress bars around 80%
done, and reds for ones around 20% done,
so you instantly know the state of the
progress bar. However, I'm afraid of
colour explosions making the screen
look messy. 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Leave the colour scheme as it is, 10 votes, 26.32%  
- The existing colour scheme needs adjusting; too hard to see, 4 votes, 10.53%  
- More colour! Red, Yellow, Green!, 23 votes, 60.53%  
- More colour! Some other colours than red yellow green, 1 votes, 2.63%  



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From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:41pm
Subject: Poll results for shadow-discuss

The following shadow-discuss poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: [March 2002] What is your main Palm OS
handheld? (The one you use for Shadow
most often. If you expect to buy a unit
very soon, say that one.) I'd like to
know what spread of units people are
using with Shadow right now. 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Palm (m100, m500, IIc.. the units made by Palm), 47 votes, 46.08%  
- Handspring (Visor, Neo, Prism, etc. Anything by Handspring), 24 votes, 23.53%  
- Handera / TRG-Pro, 10 votes, 9.80%  
- Sony (Clie, Pegs, S series. Black and white and colour, low and high resolution), 19 votes, 18.63%  
- Other (IBM-Workpad, Kyocera, Symbol, etc), 2 votes, 1.96%  



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:42pm
Subject: Re: mac?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, maclover88 wrote:

> Sorry I have not been following things lately. I'm trying to streamline my
> life as much as possible.
> I bought shadow plan because of your plans to have a Mac desktop component.
> As I said in a previous post, I love Shadow but after using it for a while,
> I am now back to using just the Memo(& Note list on my Palm Desktop) only
> for crucuial info and not using Shadow at all.

	Gasp! You know, most people use it without the desktop, so I'm
sure you can too :)

> No pressure but I suffer everyday and I'm still looking forward to
> being able to use Shadow efficiently between my Visor and Mac G4.

	Progress occurs in fairly well defined steps; the plan is on the
site if you look, but the mac desktop is one of my top goals. From below,
you'll note internaitonal support was higher priority, and it is now out
there and available (that was 2.1's included desktop). Due to Easter and
various things going on I've not had a lot of time, so 2.2 was Clie
mostly. The Mac desktop is coming soon, best I can do. Once the last two
main big features are in alpha on the handheld, I'm spending a couple of
months just working on the desktops.

		jeff

> <The Mac port pseudo
> <builds now, but I have some work to do, and it is broken for international
> <support. But I hope to get an alpha out in 2 months. I'm sorry for the
> <delay, but such is life :/

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: "New From..." bugs

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:

> >I think
> > its the same behaviour for any new item.. when you hit New, t places it
> > after the selected itrem, or at the end of the list if none selected,
> > regardless of sort. 
> 
> Jeff, new items created by entering text or "New" sort correctly right away

	Ah, well, then :) I'll see what I can do.

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry for the unclarity - newly added items in Shadow created using
> > > "New from..." sort to the end of the Shadow item list even if the
> > > preference is set to sort on change.
> > 
> > 	Hmm, okay. Any change in the list should fix that. Hmm. I think
> > its the same behaviour for any new item.. when you hit New, t places it
> > after the selected itrem, or at the end of the list if none selected,
> > regardless of sort. I'll have to think about it, if it should sort right
> > away or not.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 1) Shadow doesn't list todos lower than priority 2 on my m515
> > > > > 2) Shadow doesn't list todos without a date, even if "Undated?" is
> > > > > selected
> > > > 
> > > > 	On some units, due to some setting somewhere, this happens. Its
> > > > more insidious than this however.. its somethign to do with repeating and
> > > > protected items, or the like. I'm going to look into that in a few weeks,
> > > > after I taker a brief break. Its a very starnge bug :/
> > > > 
> > > > > 3) Newly added todos don't sort into place, instead they appear at end
> > > > > of list until a change is made to them (sort on change preference is
> > > > > selected)
> > > > 
> > > > 	Newly added todos from where? (todos created through linking in
> > > > Shadow?)
> > > > 
> > > > 		jeff
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

I guess I just don't understand this concept, so please bear with me.
Why can't we just have Shadow import all new todos it finds in the
builtin todo database, importing such todos into a user-selected Shadow
file? For instance, the main Shadow file I use is titled Master Outline.
I would have all new todos imported into that file and be done with it.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: cybriks  <cybriks@g...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:56pm
Subject: Re: Request: encoding information when exporting to html

If it is a meta-tag-solution you're looking for, I suppose it'd be
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-
8859-1">.
That's at least what we are using (and I have not had any 
complaints so far ;-)

/Thomas
P.S. I am really appreciating your way of being in touch with your 
customers. I am running lot's of products on a couple of different 
platforms and devices (roughly about 200 computers that need 
to be fed), and sometimes it is not possible to avoid what other 
companies call "customer support". I believe, they should try to 
learn from you...



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, cybriks wrote:
> 
> > ...but then HTML uses real entities instead of äöå, doesn't it?! 
And 
> 
> 	Thats not relevant to your topic of discussion ;)  The XML 
output
> is correct, it defines the character set. Thos echaracters are 
correct
> HTML if the character set is right.
> 
> 	But off the top of my head, I forget the correct way to define
> content. Content-type: is not it, however.. I'm for it, but we have 
to
> find the right one. I'll have to ask some webmasters I know.. 
I'm too
> burnt out right now ;)
> 
> > afaik the additional content-line does not do any harm 
anywhere, does 
> 
> 	Yep, sure does. Put it at the top of an HTML file and open it 
with
> a browser, and you'll see Content-type: foo/foo at the top of 
your
> screenm, which is not what you want.
> 
> > it? -- Instead it makes the html-output useable on different 
> > platforms without a need to manually convert the umlauts.
> 
> 	If it does, perhaps it is the correct way. But I'm fairly certain
> there is a meta tag which does it following the standard.
> 
> 	I'm also a bit rusty on my HTML spec.. been too busy to watch 
the
> zillion minor evolutions in html.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: maclover88  <maclover88@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 0:44am
Subject: Re: mac?

Jeff you're awesome!
Thanks for all your hard work!
Jim

Once the last two
main big features are in alpha on the handheld, I'm spending a couple of
months just working on the desktops.

            jef 


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 0:58am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> I guess I just don't understand this concept, so please bear with me.
> Why can't we just have Shadow import all new todos it finds in the
> builtin todo database, importing such todos into a user-selected Shadow
> file? For instance, the main Shadow file I use is titled Master Outline.
> I would have all new todos imported into that file and be done with it.

	Because many or most people have many Shadow files, and not just
one of them is used for ToDos; for instance, I keep separate files for
larger projects, and separate file for home than variosu contracts/work I
have on the go. It just keeps things more managable (I have 500 todo items
for Shadow alone, for example :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Alys  <darth_alys@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 2:01am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 04:11:06PM -0500, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:
> 
> > Another idea might be simpler for the user.  When you open a Shadow
> > list, Shadow could optionally (based on a list preference) look for
> > todos created since the last time that list was opened; then pop up a
> > list of them and allow the user to add some, all, or none of them to
> > that list.  Once a todo was added to a Shadow list, it would not
> > appear again when another Shadow list is opened.
> 
> 	Theres too much magic to that; 1) You open a list, and you're in a
> hurry, and are presented with this list of todos (which could be hundreds
> of them for some people). You dont' have time to deal with them all, so
> you dismiss it.. and you dont' see them again until you go to another
> list? It strikes me as a lot of overhead and magic to hit you with when
> you may not want it. It also requires Shadow to store somewhere which
> todos were looked at, by say adding some junk into the ToDo note to
> suggest its been lkooked at for a certain list, or for Shadow to keep
> another database to track this sort of thing.

How about this:

In Shadow's File Selection Screen, the Transfer menu would contain
an item called something like "Import from ToDo Since". If you
tap on that, you see date and time selection boxes, defaulting
to the current date and time. You change the date and time (bear
with me to find out why) and then tap on an OK button (or Import
or something). Shadow then shows you a list of all ToDo items that
were created on or after the date and time you selected. Next to
each ToDo item is a pull down list that contains all Shadow files
and also an element that says "None" (this would be the default
selection). You look through the list of your new ToDo items,
and for each one that you want to import into Shadow, you select
the desired Shadow file from the pull down list next to that ToDo
item. For items that you don't want to import, you just leave the
pull down list set to "None".

It means you could choose exactly which ToDo items get imported, and
to which Shadow file, and you could do it at a time that suits you.

Whether this is feasible would of course depend on whether it's
easy for Shadow to find the time that a ToDo item was created.

To enhance the feature further, the initial "Import from ToDo Since"
screen (the screen that has the date and time picker) could also
have a ToDo Category picker and the two checkbox options that
appear in the current "Import from ToDo" screen. It would also be
nice if Shadow could not show new ToDo items that were already
linked to Shadow files.

I hope that all makes sense.

I know this feature would work well for me, but it might not for
anyone else. I'm not pushing for this, by the way; importing ToDos
is not a big issue for me. I'm hanging out for the customised filters
and more custom List Types! :)

Alys

--
Alice Harris
Internet Services, CITEC, Brisbane, Australia
darth_alys@y...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 2:39am
Subject: Re: Re: Request: encoding information when exporting to html

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, cybriks wrote:

> If it is a meta-tag-solution you're looking for, I suppose it'd be
> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-
> 8859-1">.
> That's at least what we are using (and I have not had any 
> complaints so far ;-)

	Ahh, that'd be the one. See, that is ignored by html parsers that
don't understand or care about meta. If you just stick Content-type: in
there, you're not doign HTML.. your'e doign CGI or the like.

> P.S. I am really appreciating your way of being in touch with your
> customers. I am running lot's of products on a couple of different
> platforms and devices (roughly about 200 computers that need to be
> fed), and sometimes it is not possible to avoid what other companies
> call "customer support". I believe, they should try to learn from
> you...

	Its possible to avoid customer support, and then you go out of
business, or sit there like a telco with a 30% customer satisfaction
rating ;)

	I try and keep it upbeat and fast paced so that its entertaining.
If it was droll, I'd have gone insane long ago ;) (consider.. say 50-300
emails a day.. about 100-200 a day minimum these dyas, but less at the
onset 2 years ago. Work out how many emails I've answered for Shadow in
the last 2 years ;)

		jeff

> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, cybriks wrote:
> > 
> > > ...but then HTML uses real entities instead of äöå, doesn't it?! 
> And 
> > 
> > 	Thats not relevant to your topic of discussion ;)  The XML 
> output
> > is correct, it defines the character set. Thos echaracters are 
> correct
> > HTML if the character set is right.
> > 
> > 	But off the top of my head, I forget the correct way to define
> > content. Content-type: is not it, however.. I'm for it, but we have 
> to
> > find the right one. I'll have to ask some webmasters I know.. 
> I'm too
> > burnt out right now ;)
> > 
> > > afaik the additional content-line does not do any harm 
> anywhere, does 
> > 
> > 	Yep, sure does. Put it at the top of an HTML file and open it 
> with
> > a browser, and you'll see Content-type: foo/foo at the top of 
> your
> > screenm, which is not what you want.
> > 
> > > it? -- Instead it makes the html-output useable on different 
> > > platforms without a need to manually convert the umlauts.
> > 
> > 	If it does, perhaps it is the correct way. But I'm fairly certain
> > there is a meta tag which does it following the standard.
> > 
> > 	I'm also a bit rusty on my HTML spec.. been too busy to watch 
> the
> > zillion minor evolutions in html.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
> mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
> calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 2:49am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Alys wrote:

> In Shadow's File Selection Screen, the Transfer menu would contain an
> item called something like "Import from ToDo Since". If you tap on
> that, you see date and time selection boxes, defaulting to the current
> date and time. You change the date and time (bear with me to find out
> why) and then tap on an OK button (or Import or something). Shadow
> then shows you a list of all ToDo items that were created on or after
> the date and time you selected. Next to each ToDo item is a pull down
> list that contains all Shadow files and also an element that says
> "None" (this would be the default selection). You look through the
> list of your new ToDo items, and for each one that you want to import
> into Shadow, you select the desired Shadow file from the pull down
> list next to that ToDo item. For items that you don't want to import,
> you just leave the pull down list set to "None".

	Well and good, but this is "work" to build -- a user interface and
all that. It perhaps compliments the other idea (auto import by filename
hints) .. this is a manual way of doing it,a nd you could redo it all you
like, or import multiply, etc. 

	the trick is that you've already defined the data
once. Auto-import is necessary.. I've got no time to go through and
martial those items a second time. Its like dealing with each imported
todo twice.. I want to deal with it once, and boom, it slots into the
right place.

	However, you dont' want to type in filenames all the time, and
perhaps you dont' enter a million todos.. so it'd be easier for you to go
tap tap tap and done a few times a week or whatever.

	Both equally valid and different.

	Perhaps I should put off this topic for awhile.. it needs proper
doing, instead of just quickly doing it like I had intended. Or perhaps
I'll still slip in my idea.. but it may not be as popular as I thought ;)

> Whether this is feasible would of course depend on whether it's
> easy for Shadow to find the time that a ToDo item was created.

	Most of the time not a problem (could be a problem after you hard
reset and all items are essentially created new again after restoring from
backup)

> To enhance the feature further, the initial "Import from ToDo Since"
> screen (the screen that has the date and time picker) could also have
> a ToDo Category picker and the two checkbox options that appear in the
> current "Import from ToDo" screen. It would also be nice if Shadow
> could not show new ToDo items that were already linked to Shadow
> files.

	There is no way of knowing if a ToDo has been linked to already or
not, without massive overheads.

> I know this feature would work well for me, but it might not for
> anyone else. I'm not pushing for this, by the way; importing ToDos is
> not a big issue for me. I'm hanging out for the customised filters and
> more custom List Types! :)

	hehe. Very soon.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 2:55am
Subject: Opinions; the website!

All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from my
website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I don't
think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
standalone product (way down the road).

	Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate title,
just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie: Should
I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
website?)

	I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what the heck
Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going by ear,
or the like).

	Any other suggestions for the website?

	Does it need fresh new artwork or a reorganization?

	Is it easy to read? Easy to find what you need?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:00am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

>Or perhaps
>I'll still slip in my idea.. but it may not be as popular as I thought ;)
>

This would get my vote!  I think enthusiasm would grow once people try it.  
Yeah you may have a million files and not remember them all when using that 
todo tag.  But I think with a bit of smart naming, you could remember the 
important ones and not have too much to type.  For the others, there is 
still the new from...

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:05am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> >Or perhaps
> >I'll still slip in my idea.. but it may not be as popular as I thought ;)
> 
> This would get my vote!  I think enthusiasm would grow once people try it.  
> Yeah you may have a million files and not remember them all when using that 
> todo tag.  But I think with a bit of smart naming, you could remember the 
> important ones and not have too much to type.  For the others, there is 
> still the new from...

	I'd use shortcuts to get filename shorter tags, too..

	I'd use auto-import mroe than manual mass import. If I add a mass
import manual option, it'll certainly tie into New From, fear not. (ie:
New From is a special case of this.. its like new from and asking which
file to plug it into).

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:18am
Subject: Self Indulgent Distractions..

Posts in shadow-discuss yahoogroup in 2001: 3274
So far in 2002 (100 days in give or take): 1727

Total posts in shadow-discuss so far since Jan 2001: 5001 (plus this one)

Checking my sent-mail logs I can get a reasonable guesstimate of how many
emails I've sent to shadow-discuss, though I'm not sure how far back or
how complete those logs are.. or if I'm counting all posts. (I'm just
looking for "To: shadow-discuss", beginning of the start of a line.

But I can safely say I've posted no less than 1775 emails to
shadow-discuss on yahoo alone. (Not including the shadow-discuss that I
host, or support@c..., etc etc). Thats at least 3 a day, which seems
low. I wonder what I've been doing all the other hours of the day...

Nonetheless, I can account for 35.5% of all posts to shadow-discuss :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: softeng_2000  <softeng_2000@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:28am
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

>There is no way of knowing if a ToDo has been linked to already or
>not, without massive overheads.

Why not just look for Shadow's "origin" signature in the Todos that were created recently (or since the date selected by the user)?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Alys wrote:
> 
> > In Shadow's File Selection Screen, the Transfer menu would contain an
> > item called something like "Import from ToDo Since". If you tap on
> > that, you see date and time selection boxes, defaulting to the current
> > date and time. You change the date and time (bear with me to find out
> > why) and then tap on an OK button (or Import or something). Shadow
> > then shows you a list of all ToDo items that were created on or after
> > the date and time you selected. Next to each ToDo item is a pull down
> > list that contains all Shadow files and also an element that says
> > "None" (this would be the default selection). You look through the
> > list of your new ToDo items, and for each one that you want to import
> > into Shadow, you select the desired Shadow file from the pull down
> > list next to that ToDo item. For items that you don't want to import,
> > you just leave the pull down list set to "None".
> 
> 	Well and good, but this is "work" to build -- a user interface and
> all that. It perhaps compliments the other idea (auto import by filename
> hints) .. this is a manual way of doing it,a nd you could redo it all you
> like, or import multiply, etc. 
> 
> 	the trick is that you've already defined the data
> once. Auto-import is necessary.. I've got no time to go through and
> martial those items a second time. Its like dealing with each imported
> todo twice.. I want to deal with it once, and boom, it slots into the
> right place.
> 
> 	However, you dont' want to type in filenames all the time, and
> perhaps you dont' enter a million todos.. so it'd be easier for you to go
> tap tap tap and done a few times a week or whatever.
> 
> 	Both equally valid and different.
> 
> 	Perhaps I should put off this topic for awhile.. it needs proper
> doing, instead of just quickly doing it like I had intended. Or perhaps
> I'll still slip in my idea.. but it may not be as popular as I thought ;)
> 
> > Whether this is feasible would of course depend on whether it's
> > easy for Shadow to find the time that a ToDo item was created.
> 
> 	Most of the time not a problem (could be a problem after you hard
> reset and all items are essentially created new again after restoring from
> backup)
> 
> > To enhance the feature further, the initial "Import from ToDo Since"
> > screen (the screen that has the date and time picker) could also have
> > a ToDo Category picker and the two checkbox options that appear in the
> > current "Import from ToDo" screen. It would also be nice if Shadow
> > could not show new ToDo items that were already linked to Shadow
> > files.
> 
> 	There is no way of knowing if a ToDo has been linked to already or
> not, without massive overheads.
> 
> > I know this feature would work well for me, but it might not for
> > anyone else. I'm not pushing for this, by the way; importing ToDos is
> > not a big issue for me. I'm hanging out for the customised filters and
> > more custom List Types! :)
> 
> 	hehe. Very soon.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:35am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, softeng_2000 wrote:

> >There is no way of knowing if a ToDo has been linked to already or
> >not, without massive overheads.
> 
> Why not just look for Shadow's "origin" signature in the Todos that
> were created recently (or since the date selected by the user)?

	1) Thats an option that many people do not or would not engage
	2) It would be very slow to read through and search all your todos
for this tag of information (ie: Depending how many todos were being
scanned)
	3) Many people sever links, or new-from or import withoutkeeping
back links; this keeps speed up, or perhaps they want to distinguish or
not sync the pair, etc.

	I've thought about it a few times, and its not a good mechanism
for this.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: softeng_2000  <softeng_2000@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:40am
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

>For the others, there is 
> still the new from...

I would like New From a lot more if it didn't show already linked items, and if you could pick a more meaningful date range than  weekly.

I'd be happy to accept New From as the way to import new todos if it could be adapted to show only all newly created todos (or all todos created since a user-selected date) that  aren't linked already (this last would possibly be dependent on the user having selected the "append origin" preference).

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...> wrote:
> 
> >Or perhaps
> >I'll still slip in my idea.. but it may not be as popular as I thought ;)
> >
> 
> This would get my vote!  I think enthusiasm would grow once people try it.  
> Yeah you may have a million files and not remember them all when using that 
> todo tag.  But I think with a bit of smart naming, you could remember the 
> important ones and not have too much to type.  For the others, there is 
> still the new from...
> 
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From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 4:29am
Subject: Re: Opinions; the website!

I'd drop it.

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 07:55 , Jeff Mitchell wrote:

>
> 	All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from my
> website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I don't
> think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
> reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
> standalone product (way down the road).
>
> 	Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate title,
> just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie: 
> Should
> I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
> website?)
>
> 	I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
> http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what the 
> heck
> Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going by 
> ear,
> or the like).
>
> 	Any other suggestions for the website?
>
> 	Does it need fresh new artwork or a reorganization?
>
> 	Is it easy to read? Easy to find what you need?
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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>
>
Ken Gordon

From: Jan Erik Moström  <lists@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 5:36am
Subject: Re: mac?

At 2002-04-04 14:15, maclover88 <maclover88@m...> wrote:


> I'm just curious how other Mac user's are using Shadow?

It works OK, the stuff I use Shadow for is the stuff that I have on my Palm
not on my Mac.

Sure, it would be nice to have a Mac desktop but it works OK right now.

                jem
-- 
Jan Erik Moström   jem@m...    www.mostrom.pp.se

From: Ray Drew  <ray_drew@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:34am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Friday, April 05, 2002 12:30 AM Ralph wrote:

<<<


I guess I just don't understand this concept, so please bear with me.
Why can't we just have Shadow import all new todos it finds in the
builtin todo database, importing such todos into a user-selected Shadow
file? For instance, the main Shadow file I use is titled Master Outline.
I would have all new todos imported into that file and be done with it.

>>>

My main shadow file, currently, is called 'work'. In it I have all projects I'm working on and various other things related to work. Shadow provides structure to organize items and a queueing system for ToDos. When an item is ready to be actionable I tap the ToDo link and it then appears in Db4, which is the application I normally have open. Once a ToDo is in Db4 I can change due date or check it done in either app. and it's reflected in the other.

There are some ToDo's I never want to see in Shadow, e.g. 'Book dental appt.' or 'Call Joe'. This type of ToDo I enter direct in Db4, I don't want to clutter Shadow with them.

Regards,

Ray


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From: Ray Drew  <ray_drew@y...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:39am
Subject: Re: Re: auto todo import?

On Friday, April 05, 2002 3:01 AM Alys wrote:

<<<

... snip...

I know this feature would work well for me, but it might not for
anyone else. I'm not pushing for this, by the way; importing ToDos
is not a big issue for me. I'm hanging out for the customised filters
and more custom List Types! :)

>>>

me too!

Ray


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: cybriks  <cybriks@g...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:21am
Subject: Re: Request: encoding information when exporting to html

Yeah, personally I start complaining when it exceeds the amount 
of 25 mails a day ;–)
Once again, all my respects and thanks to you, Jeff.

/Thomas

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, cybriks wrote:
> 
> > If it is a meta-tag-solution you're looking for, I suppose it'd be
> > <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=
ISO-
> > 8859-1">.
> > That's at least what we are using (and I have not had any 
> > complaints so far ;-)
> 
> 	Ahh, that'd be the one. See, that is ignored by html parsers 
that
> don't understand or care about meta. If you just stick Content-
type: in
> there, you're not doign HTML.. your'e doign CGI or the like.
> 
> > P.S. I am really appreciating your way of being in touch with 
your
> > customers. I am running lot's of products on a couple of 
different
> > platforms and devices (roughly about 200 computers that 
need to be
> > fed), and sometimes it is not possible to avoid what other 
companies
> > call "customer support". I believe, they should try to learn 
from
> > you...
> 
> 	Its possible to avoid customer support, and then you go out of
> business, or sit there like a telco with a 30% customer 
satisfaction
> rating ;)
> 
> 	I try and keep it upbeat and fast paced so that its entertaining.
> If it was droll, I'd have gone insane long ago ;) (consider.. say 
50-300
> emails a day.. about 100-200 a day minimum these dyas, but 
less at the
> onset 2 years ago. Work out how many emails I've answered 
for Shadow in
> the last 2 years ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> > > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, cybriks wrote:
> > > 
> > > > ...but then HTML uses real entities instead of äöå, 
doesn't it?! 
> > And 
> > > 
> > > 	Thats not relevant to your topic of discussion ;)  The XML 
> > output
> > > is correct, it defines the character set. Thos echaracters 
are 
> > correct
> > > HTML if the character set is right.
> > > 
> > > 	But off the top of my head, I forget the correct way to define
> > > content. Content-type: is not it, however.. I'm for it, but we 
have 
> > to
> > > find the right one. I'll have to ask some webmasters I 
know.. 
> > I'm too
> > > burnt out right now ;)
> > > 
> > > > afaik the additional content-line does not do any harm 
> > anywhere, does 
> > > 
> > > 	Yep, sure does. Put it at the top of an HTML file and open it 
> > with
> > > a browser, and you'll see Content-type: foo/foo at the top of 
> > your
> > > screenm, which is not what you want.
> > > 
> > > > it? -- Instead it makes the html-output useable on 
different 
> > > > platforms without a need to manually convert the 
umlauts.
> > > 
> > > 	If it does, perhaps it is the correct way. But I'm fairly certain
> > > there is a meta tag which does it following the standard.
> > > 
> > > 	I'm also a bit rusty on my HTML spec.. been too busy to 
watch 
> > the
> > > zillion minor evolutions in html.
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
> > mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
> > calculate he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://
docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: stugib_2000  <stuart.gibbons@p...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:51am
Subject: Desktop filename parameter

Jeff,

When you get round to your desktop updates, could you please add 
parameter handling to shadow.exe to accept a Shadow filename?

That way I can have shortcuts on my desktop to my most used Shadow 
files to save going through the main Shadow screen and File|Open.

Hopefully this should be a quickie.

TIA

Stuart

From: Jacob Share  <jshare@i...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 7:34am
Subject: Re: Lock Recent files

Does it make sense to be able to lock the Recent Files list? Once that happens, something called Recent Files will not necessarily be so. Why not just add a Most Opened (Most Active?) list, based on a global file access count and/or a user-configurable (and thus more work-intensive, sorry Jeff :) ) Favorites list?

Jacob


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Desktop filename parameter

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, stugib_2000 wrote:

> When you get round to your desktop updates, could you please add 
> parameter handling to shadow.exe to accept a Shadow filename?

	Sure thing.

> That way I can have shortcuts on my desktop to my most used Shadow 
> files to save going through the main Shadow screen and File|Open.
> 
> Hopefully this should be a quickie.

	Should be. Added to my list.

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: sgarelick  <steve@g...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Opinions; the website!

Does this mean that you don't plan on updating the desktop any time 
soon? I just registered the palm and desktop application yesterday 
assuming that the desktop would be updated so that at least you can 
move items around. Without that feature, the desktop really won't be 
that useful for me. I'm not complaining here (the money isn't that 
big of a deal), just wandering.


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from my
> website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I 
don't
> think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
> reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
> standalone product (way down the road).
> 
> 	Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate 
title,
> just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie: 
Should
> I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
> website?)
> 
> 	I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
> http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what 
the heck
> Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going 
by ear,
> or the like).
> 
> 	Any other suggestions for the website?
> 
> 	Does it need fresh new artwork or a reorganization?
> 
> 	Is it easy to read? Easy to find what you need?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: juangabrielc  <juangabriel@l...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Question about version 2.2

Hi everybody:

If I move a shadow file to an external card, does shadow still syncs 
it to the desktop? I looked in the manual and readme and it doesn't 
say anything.

Thanks

Gabriel

From: TEWoerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Poll results for color

Actually two of the questions didn't need to be mutually exclusive.  
More color would be great!  But contrast (readability) is more 
important, if someone had to choose.

Tim

From: TEWoerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Opinions; the website!

•	The shades of blue Shadow currently displays on my Visor 
Prism, I think, are more upbeat and have a closer matching emotion to 
the modern business day.  Therefore the current (and future default 
in a multi-color version) color scheme could track with the website.  
Shades of blue can communicate a shadow as well as shades of gray.

•	The concept of an outline (a shadow) of my activities doesn't 
come through graphically.  The etched marble effect reminds me of a 
mausoleum, and, in turn, death, spirits, mystery, and the 
supernatural.  None of these reminders position your product where 
you want it.  However, the etched marble could be combined somehow 
with dark-wood graphics to imitate a marble-topped mahogany desk and 
have a prestigious executive look.  That reminder is closer to its 
proper position.  Another spin off using the grays is to present a 
sleek, machine-like image.

•	A proper 3-dimensional logo or capital S casting a shadow 
would be appropriate.

•	Progress reports on previous versions could be eliminated.

•	Post more accolades as they are published.

•	To improve promotion, I wouldn't merge the material on the 
desktop.  It looks like more when shown as two products.

But you can see why I am not in advertising.

Tim

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinions; the website!

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, sgarelick wrote:

> Does this mean that you don't plan on updating the desktop any time 
> soon? I just registered the palm and desktop application yesterday 
> assuming that the desktop would be updated so that at least you can 
> move items around. Without that feature, the desktop really won't be 
> that useful for me. I'm not complaining here (the money isn't that 
> big of a deal), just wandering.

	Nono, just the web page. Go to http://www.codejedi.com and you'll
see two main left-side options -- Shadow Plan and Shadow Desktop. But
right now 99.9% of people will want Shadow Desktop with Shadow Plan, so
I'm thinking of removing the now-reundant webpage dedicated to Shadow
Desktop, and integrating its information to the Plan side of things.
Shadow Desktop's own page exists because I wanted people to be aware of it
while it was being developed, and have a place to look for status, etc.

	Shadow Desktop is going to get some major work start in a month or
two..

		jeff

> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > 	All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from my
> > website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I 
> don't
> > think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
> > reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
> > standalone product (way down the road).
> > 
> > 	Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate 
> title,
> > just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie: 
> Should
> > I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
> > website?)
> > 
> > 	I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
> > http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what 
> the heck
> > Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going 
> by ear,
> > or the like).
> > 
> > 	Any other suggestions for the website?
> > 
> > 	Does it need fresh new artwork or a reorganization?
> > 
> > 	Is it easy to read? Easy to find what you need?
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: Re: Question about version 2.2

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, juangabrielc wrote:

> If I move a shadow file to an external card, does shadow still syncs
> it to the desktop? I looked in the manual and readme and it doesn't
> say anything.

	No; the card is essentially off limits while syncing. Some tricks
could be done, but I wont' have time to investigate that for awhile. This
is a pretty common limitation.. I don't know of too many (any?) apps that
sync files on a card. (Except things like offline web browsers, which are
one way.. the desktop just uploads to the card.. thats not synching, thats
just an upload)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Poll results for color

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, TEWoerner wrote:

> Actually two of the questions didn't need to be mutually exclusive.  
> More color would be great!  But contrast (readability) is more 
> important, if someone had to choose.

	The poll showed a lot of interest in more colour.. but due to many
concerns mentioned by lot sof people, I'm a little worried of makign
things gaudy.. so I am tempted to make it so that 100% done is green, and
0% done is red, but leave the rest blues. But then, so little change.. is
it worth it?

	So I may sit on it awhile :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Michael Pizolato  <piz@i...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:09pm
Subject: Re: Poll results for color

Take it from someone who has done interface design before: use a *minimum* of color in the default interface. (I say "default" because, of course, color settings can always be prefs - if the user chooses pink text on a bright purple background, that's not the developer's problem. :-) If in doubt, *don't* make it color. Color is effective as occasional emphasis against a plain "background." More than that and it's distracting and detrimental to the user, often unconsciously.

Thanks,
Michael Pizolato
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:31pm
Subject: Re: Poll results for color

i still prefer being able to use one color only (wouldn't mind the choice there, but the current color is still fine), and seeing the progress across the bar.  too many other colored items starts taking away from my quick glance as to what is where, and what represents what colorwise.  0 and 100 percent are seen fine already in my opinion with no bar filled or all the bar filled.
kevin


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Poll results for color


  On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, TEWoerner wrote:

  > Actually two of the questions didn't need to be mutually exclusive.  
  > More color would be great!  But contrast (readability) is more 
  > important, if someone had to choose.

        The poll showed a lot of interest in more colour.. but due to many
  concerns mentioned by lot sof people, I'm a little worried of makign
  things gaudy.. so I am tempted to make it so that 100% done is green, and
  0% done is red, but leave the rest blues. But then, so little change.. is
  it worth it?

        So I may sit on it awhile :)

              jeff




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Poll results for color

exactly my thought process Michael, thanks for a more sophisticated explanation!
kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Pizolato 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:09 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Poll results for color


  Take it from someone who has done interface design before: use a *minimum* of color in the default interface. (I say "default" because, of course, color settings can always be prefs - if the user chooses pink text on a bright purple background, that's not the developer's problem. :-) If in doubt, *don't* make it color. Color is effective as occasional emphasis against a plain "background." More than that and it's distracting and detrimental to the user, often unconsciously.

  Thanks,
  Michael Pizolato



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From: Danny Ayers  <danny666@v...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:56pm
Subject: RE: Re: Opinions; the website!

At present the Plan is amazing and the Desktop really naff - I think it
would be generally appreciated if you pushed *some* features for the desktop
up your priority list -  move/copy/paste/delete would make a very
significant difference in overall utility. Bells and whistles can happily
wait until after you've added the 'beige' theme to the mobile version ;-)

Just my ? 0.02

Cheers,
Danny.

---
Danny Ayers
<stuff> http://www.isacat.net </stuff>


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
  Sent: 05 April 2002 22:30
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Opinions; the website!


  On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, sgarelick wrote:

  > Does this mean that you don't plan on updating the desktop any time
  > soon? I just registered the palm and desktop application yesterday
  > assuming that the desktop would be updated so that at least you can
  > move items around. Without that feature, the desktop really won't be
  > that useful for me. I'm not complaining here (the money isn't that
  > big of a deal), just wandering.

        Nono, just the web page. Go to http://www.codejedi.com and you'll
  see two main left-side options -- Shadow Plan and Shadow Desktop. But
  right now 99.9% of people will want Shadow Desktop with Shadow Plan, so
  I'm thinking of removing the now-reundant webpage dedicated to Shadow
  Desktop, and integrating its information to the Plan side of things.
  Shadow Desktop's own page exists because I wanted people to be aware of it
  while it was being developed, and have a place to look for status, etc.

        Shadow Desktop is going to get some major work start in a month or
  two..

              jeff

  >
  >
  > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  > >
  > >       All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from my
  > > website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I
  > don't
  > > think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
  > > reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
  > > standalone product (way down the road).
  > >
  > >       Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate
  > title,
  > > just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie:
  > Should
  > > I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
  > > website?)
  > >
  > >       I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
  > > http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what
  > the heck
  > > Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going
  > by ear,
  > > or the like).
  > >
  > >       Any other suggestions for the website?
  > >
  > >       Does it need fresh new artwork or a reorganization?
  > >
  > >       Is it easy to read? Easy to find what you need?
  > >
  > >             jeff
  > >
  > > --
  > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
  > micro
  > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
  > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
  > is?"
  > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
  >
  >
  >
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From: Mark Ewers  <markewers@e...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:16pm
Subject: Palm Keyboard

Anyone using one with SP? There has got to be a list of keystrokes to
correspond to those wonderful buttons in SP! I start typing and get the mini
edit box just great but so far the only way I've found to click the little
check mark (or X) is to touch it with the stylus.

Mark

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:36am
Subject: RE: Re: Opinions; the website!

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Danny Ayers wrote:

> At present the Plan is amazing and the Desktop really naff - I think it
> would be generally appreciated if you pushed *some* features for the desktop
> up your priority list -  move/copy/paste/delete would make a very
> significant difference in overall utility. Bells and whistles can happily
> wait until after you've added the 'beige' theme to the mobile version ;-)

	Desktop is very nearly the top of the list; merge files and VFS
category support may move down, but if they're a snap I'll take care of
them. OS5 readyness is very nto much.. its very nearly ready now (it more
or less works on OS5, just a few things hear and there, like upgrading
some of my SDK and such). So desktop is very nearly the topmost items, and
I intend on camping out with the desktops for a few months.

		jeff

> 
> Just my ? 0.02
> 
> Cheers,
> Danny.
> 
> ---
> Danny Ayers
> <stuff> http://www.isacat.net </stuff>
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
>   Sent: 05 April 2002 22:30
>   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Opinions; the website!
> 
> 
>   On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, sgarelick wrote:
> 
>   > Does this mean that you don't plan on updating the desktop any time
>   > soon? I just registered the palm and desktop application yesterday
>   > assuming that the desktop would be updated so that at least you can
>   > move items around. Without that feature, the desktop really won't be
>   > that useful for me. I'm not complaining here (the money isn't that
>   > big of a deal), just wandering.
> 
>         Nono, just the web page. Go to http://www.codejedi.com and you'll
>   see two main left-side options -- Shadow Plan and Shadow Desktop. But
>   right now 99.9% of people will want Shadow Desktop with Shadow Plan, so
>   I'm thinking of removing the now-reundant webpage dedicated to Shadow
>   Desktop, and integrating its information to the Plan side of things.
>   Shadow Desktop's own page exists because I wanted people to be aware of it
>   while it was being developed, and have a place to look for status, etc.
> 
>         Shadow Desktop is going to get some major work start in a month or
>   two..
> 
>               jeff
> 
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>   > >
>   > >       All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from my
>   > > website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I
>   > don't
>   > > think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
>   > > reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
>   > > standalone product (way down the road).
>   > >
>   > >       Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate
>   > title,
>   > > just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie:
>   > Should
>   > > I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
>   > > website?)
>   > >
>   > >       I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
>   > > http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what
>   > the heck
>   > > Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going
>   > by ear,
>   > > or the like).
>   > >
>   > >       Any other suggestions for the website?
>   > >
>   > >       Does it need fresh new artwork or a reorganization?
>   > >
>   > >       Is it easy to read? Easy to find what you need?
>   > >
>   > >             jeff
>   > >
>   > > --
>   > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
>   > micro
>   > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>   > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
>   > is?"
>   > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>   >
>   >
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>   circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>   sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>   -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:37am
Subject: Re: Palm Keyboard

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Mark Ewers wrote:

> Anyone using one with SP? There has got to be a list of keystrokes to
> correspond to those wonderful buttons in SP! I start typing and get the mini
> edit box just great but so far the only way I've found to click the little
> check mark (or X) is to touch it with the stylus.

	Due to the menus and shortcuts for them, you can do darned near
everything. The one keyboard limit is indeed the mini editor checkmark and
cancel buttons. Thats on my todo list for soon :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jdub733  <jdub733@y...>
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:16am
Subject: Re: mac?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jan Erik Moström <lists@m...> 
wrote:

> > I'm just curious how other Mac user's are using Shadow?

Yeah, I'm a Mac (OS X) user too....just passing by... :)

I've been using Shadow for a while  - a superb app. I'm now 
waiting for the Mac desktop version to arrive when I can REALLY 
start using it for everything! :)

Does anyone know how that's going??

I know there's not many of us here (I think), but the desktop app 
would be a fantastic addition for us Mac users...

Cheers,

Jules.

From: Jan Erik Moström  <lists@m...>
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:25am
Subject: Re: Re: mac?

At 2002-04-06 07:16, jdub733 <jdub733@y...> wrote:


> Does anyone know how that's going??
> 
> I know there's not many of us here (I think), but the desktop app 
> would be a fantastic addition for us Mac users...

Jeff has answered that question several times in the last two-three weeks, he
hopes to have a first alpha out in about two months. He has put up a
development "schedule" on his web site.

                jem
-- 
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From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:31am
Subject: Re: auto todo import?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "softeng_2000" <softeng_2000@y...> wrote:
> >For the others, there is 
> > still the new from...
> 
> I would like New From a lot more if it didn't show already linked
items, and if you could pick a more meaningful date range than 
weekly.
> 
> I'd be happy to accept New From as the way to import new todos if it
could be adapted to show only all newly created todos (or all todos
created since a user-selected date) that  aren't linked already (this
last would possibly be dependent on the user having selected the
"append origin" preference).
> 
<snip>

What I'd really like to see ...
(and I know this will make you groan, Jeff)

A split screen
ToDos on one half, shadow files on the other.
Each half having its own settable filter.
Drag and drop!

Maybe put all dropped ToDos under a [[[New items]]] item in the list
that is always the first item in the list...

Ken

From: Danny Ayers  <danny666@v...>
Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 8:44am
Subject: RE: Re: Opinions; the website!

Glad to hear it - thanks.


---
Danny Ayers
<stuff> http://www.isacat.net </stuff>


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
  Sent: 06 April 2002 03:36
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: Opinions; the website!


  On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Danny Ayers wrote:

  > At present the Plan is amazing and the Desktop really naff - I think it
  > would be generally appreciated if you pushed *some* features for the
desktop
  > up your priority list -  move/copy/paste/delete would make a very
  > significant difference in overall utility. Bells and whistles can
happily
  > wait until after you've added the 'beige' theme to the mobile version
;-)

        Desktop is very nearly the top of the list; merge files and VFS
  category support may move down, but if they're a snap I'll take care of
  them. OS5 readyness is very nto much.. its very nearly ready now (it more
  or less works on OS5, just a few things hear and there, like upgrading
  some of my SDK and such). So desktop is very nearly the topmost items, and
  I intend on camping out with the desktops for a few months.

              jeff

  >
  > Just my ? 0.02
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Danny.
  >
  > ---
  > Danny Ayers
  > <stuff> http://www.isacat.net </stuff>
  >
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
  >   Sent: 05 April 2002 22:30
  >   To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Opinions; the website!
  >
  >
  >   On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, sgarelick wrote:
  >
  >   > Does this mean that you don't plan on updating the desktop any time
  >   > soon? I just registered the palm and desktop application yesterday
  >   > assuming that the desktop would be updated so that at least you can
  >   > move items around. Without that feature, the desktop really won't be
  >   > that useful for me. I'm not complaining here (the money isn't that
  >   > big of a deal), just wandering.
  >
  >         Nono, just the web page. Go to http://www.codejedi.com and
you'll
  >   see two main left-side options -- Shadow Plan and Shadow Desktop. But
  >   right now 99.9% of people will want Shadow Desktop with Shadow Plan,
so
  >   I'm thinking of removing the now-reundant webpage dedicated to Shadow
  >   Desktop, and integrating its information to the Plan side of things.
  >   Shadow Desktop's own page exists because I wanted people to be aware
of it
  >   while it was being developed, and have a place to look for status,
etc.
  >
  >         Shadow Desktop is going to get some major work start in a month
or
  >   two..
  >
  >               jeff
  >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  >   > >
  >   > >       All in favour of dropping the "Shadow Desktop" section from
my
  >   > > website? (ie: Fold any extra info into the Shadow Plan section. I
  >   > don't
  >   > > think theres any extra info except the old screenshots). I could
  >   > > reintroduce a Shadow Desktop section at such time as it becomes a
  >   > > standalone product (way down the road).
  >   > >
  >   > >       Or does anyone out there think its good to see the separate
  >   > title,
  >   > > just because it lets peopel know up front there is a desktop? (ie:
  >   > Should
  >   > > I put more info about it into the handheld application side of the
  >   > > website?)
  >   > >
  >   > >       I intend on adding a "About" option above "Download" on the
  >   > > http://www.codejedi.com from page, so that you can find out what
  >   > the heck
  >   > > Shadow is (in case you stumble across the page, or are just going
  >