From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: VFS support doesn't work!

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Wayne_Boxall wrote:

> Got it working...for some reason it started after I looked at the 
> card via Shadows category option.
> 
> But a file with "->" wouldn't move until I renamed it....weird.

	Ahh. Some filenames are "illegal" on the card and will refuse to
copy. That same file won't sync with Shadow Desktop either, since Windows
also cannot handle ">" in filenames. (ie: You can't use <, >, *, ?, and
some others). Shadow tries to not permit you to use the obvious ones, but
lets you get away with > and <..

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Wayne_Boxall" <boxall@p...> wrote:
> > I have been using MSMOUNT for somethime to store my Shadow files on 
> a 
> > MMC card with success, but with 2.2 I decided to use the Shadow 
> > inbuilt support.
> > 
> > I see Move to card and Copy to card options, but both of them do 
> > nothing at all. 
> > 
> > Anyone got this working? I have a 505 with a 32Mb MMC card.
> > 
> > Cheers
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:57pm
Subject: Re: Desktop to palm

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, carinas30 wrote:

> I opened a raw PDB file. Modified the file. and saved.
> 
> 1) Do I save as PDB-handheld file, XML-desktop file or HTML file or 
> all three?

	If you open a PDB file, and hit "save", it saves over that PDB
with a new one. Be careful about that though.. if you open a Backup file,
and then hit "save", you'll be clobbering your backup!

	"save as" lets you save as whatever you like; Shadow Desktop and
conduit speak XML. So you could save as XML, then ask the desktop to
upload the file (if it doesn't exist on the handheld), and you're good to
go. Save as PDB lets you manually install it to the device. Save as HTML
lets you print from IE or Word or import it into other things easily, etc.

> 2) How do I export the PDB file from the desktop to the hand held? I 
> know I am supposed to double click on the file and then hot sync.

	Just so; if your'e running Windows with a normal Palm Desktop
install, then double clicking on the pdb will ask Palm Desktop to install
it for you. Or if you've got it as an XML file, you can sync it if you've
bought Shadow Desktop.

> 3)Managed to get the file over to the Handheld. The file seems big (so
> it seems to be the right one (8908). It won't let me open it. Now that
> I managed to open it, there is no data!

	"It won't let me open it" and "it has no data" are mutually
exclusive. You can onyl see the second if the first is not true. So what
really happened?

	The PDB save routine does work, but is the least tested of Shadow
Desktop (since so few use it).

	In general, most people sync with Shadow Desktop in its normal
intended way (which is XML, but they needn't know that).

	So, you shoudl be able to do this:
	1) You can open the PDB file in Shadow Desktop, right?
	2) Save it out somewhere as PDB
	3) Double click on it
	4) Make sure it shows up in palm desktop install tool
	5) hotsync
	6) Open it on the handheld

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Learned wrote:

> I am having situations where shadow address book linking slows down 
> to a crawl. This will last for days, and every now and then it will 
> speed back up to normal. I haven't been able to detect a pattern. Has 
> anyone else seen this?

	Strange; I've not heard of such a thing before..

	How is it slow? When trying to display the list of addresses? Or
when doing a name search to link to?

	Any Hacks running?

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: (unknown)

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, chankwongtat wrote:

> I am a registrated user of Shadow Plan + Desktop in Hong Kong. I
> bought this apps from palmgear last week. I am also a registrated user
> of Brainforest Pro and Bonsai. After trying these three softwares, I
> like the palm side software of Shadow Plan very much. It is a very
> good outliner and most suitable for me. But, I found that there is a
> great problem about the Desktop application of Shadow Plan. I must use
> Chinese characters for my work. I found that I had no problem to use
> Chinese characters with Brainforest Pro and Bonsai, including palm
> side and desktop apps. Although I read from the document that it said
> the desktop apps can support international language, I cannot sync the
> Chinese character to the Desktop apps. In palm side, I can use Chinese
> characters normally. But, all Chinese characters become a "square
> symbol" in the desktop apps after hot sync. Are there any Chinese
> User? Please give me some suggestion for solving this problem.

	There are many happy Chinese users; lets hope some of them are in
this forum :)

	The "square symbol" is typically what Windows will show when it
doesn't have the required font. So it coudl be that you do not have the
locale set or the fonts set up exactly right.. Shadow uses the "default
font" (and does not yet choose a font), and that font needs to support
chinese characters or else you'll get the [] square. I don't know how to
check this font situation though.. I've never seen a Chinese Windows :/

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:10pm
Subject: Re: Repeats only

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> I checked, these appointments have *nothing* else in common, I only
> see repeats... and only the first occurrance of those!
> 
> This has *got* to be some sort of bug in SP!

	Yep; Shadow gets confused by repeats, depending on the application
that created them. Some repeats work, some do not.. its very curious. I'll
be looking into it in a bit.. trying to get some other stuf fout of the
way first.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> > I am having situations where shadow address book linking slows down
> > to a crawl. This will last for days, and every now and then it will
> > speed back up to normal. I haven't been able to detect a pattern. Has
> > anyone else seen this?
> 
> What do you mean by *address book* linking? I only see ways to link a
> Shadow entry to a File, a Todo, or a Datebook entry. How do you link it
> with an Address Book entry?

	Bring up the link manager and hit "add" :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Best Small Font Look

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Alys wrote:

> I don't think it's possible to have a link created automatically
> because of the "Shadow: " text that is inserted into the note field
> before the name of the database; that text will stop the square
> brackets from being usable as supertags (the fact that there's
> three nested bracket pairs might stop that as well).
> 
> What you could do is put Shadow in MegaWiki's Plus panel, using
> something other than [ or ] as tag(s), with "DB Name" selected,
> "ShadP-" as the DB prefix, and "Coog" as the ID. Then when you are
> looking at a ToDo item and you want to jump back to Shadow, use Linki
> to insert the MegaWiki link characters around the database name (i.e.,
> if the note contains [[[Shadow: Office]]], then you'd put tags around
> "Office"). You could then tap on the database name to go into Shadow.
> You'd be in the right Shadow file, but you wouldn't be directly on
> the ToDo itself.
> 
> I don't know if editing the [[[Shadow: ...]]] text like this would
> prevent Shadow from deleting that text when appropriate.

	As long as you don't mess with the "[[[Shadow: " part, you shoudl
be okay, I think.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:19pm
Subject: Re: One little thing

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> Other than the "Repeats only" problem, I noticed one thing that was a
> little "off"...
> 
> Using a custom entry, "days till due", progress bar, and link arrow.
> 
> I jumped to the ToDo (DBK4) made notes in the ToDo, Set it Done
> Jumped back to SP (using Home button)
> 
> The progress bar showed 100% for that item, but the bar for its parent
> had not been increased (only 2 other ToDo siblings, so I knew it
> wasn't right).
> 
> I checked the actual percetage on the bar (popup), and it said it was
> still at 30% (where it was when I opened).  I tapped 100% in the popup
> and the parent updated!

	One note, and the actual bug (which is known and not yet fixed :)

	Checking an item does not move its %age to 100.. it just now
counts as 100, and make sit look like 100. The rational being that lots of
peopel accidentally check an item (sloppy tap or the like), and then
uncheck it.. it woudl be awful to have lost the items true %age.

	You are correct though, that Shadow forgets to update an items
parents %ages when importing a check-off change from ToDo.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: peircej  <peircej@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:47pm
Subject: Re: VFS support doesn't work!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>Out of a couple hundred people I had test, they all had it work
> but one :/ 

Works on my ClieT615 except that moving to card strips out category 
information, which reduces its usefulness.  I realize this is not 
a "bug" because you have a warning screen explaining categories can't 
be assigned to files on MS.  Needless to say it would be better if 
categories could be preserved on card, but I assume if that were 
practicable you would have done it.

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: Link Filters

I'm back to make my semi-annual pitch for the ability to filter based on contact
links. One of the key areas I use Shadow for is Project Management for things
my staff is working on. Right now, I have my staff people within the 
structure itself, which works well, however in many cases I have multiple
people working on the same things. This means I have to replicate the information.
It would be much nicer if I could structure everything on projects, use links, and 
then just filter based on the people involved.

I know that when codes are in place, I could use a code for each person, and
I will if need be, however that seems like it's not taking advantage of the
more natural links that are already in place.

Gary

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:46pm
Subject: Re: Link Filters

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Learned wrote:

> I'm back to make my semi-annual pitch for the ability to filter based
> on contact links. One of the key areas I use Shadow for is Project
> Management for things my staff is working on. Right now, I have my
> staff people within the structure itself, which works well, however in
> many cases I have multiple people working on the same things. This
> means I have to replicate the information. It would be much nicer if I
> could structure everything on projects, use links, and then just
> filter based on the people involved.

	And right back at you that you'll have to wait for "Tags", since
doing filtering based on address linking wont' serve too many people. The
good news is that Tagging and Custom Filters are the two next items on my
todo, so you should soon be able to tag an item with multiple resources
(peopel, equipment, whatever you want), and then filter or sort on that.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: VFS support doesn't work!

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, peircej wrote:

> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> >Out of a couple hundred people I had test, they all had it work
> > but one :/ 
> 
> Works on my ClieT615 except that moving to card strips out category 
> information, which reduces its usefulness.  I realize this is not 
> a "bug" because you have a warning screen explaining categories can't 
> be assigned to files on MS.  Needless to say it would be better if 
> categories could be preserved on card, but I assume if that were 
> practicable you would have done it.

	Right :) Its documented in the manual, but in short: The OS
supports categories on internal memory, which is why every Palm app has
categories, and why its always the same interface. (pop up list of cats,
and an Edit Categories option with the same boxes to edit the cats). There
is no such system for VFS, so every app has to build its own system, which
takes time. So I'll build one, but I'm also debating building a generic
reusable category manager so that other applications will be able to also
use it (you know, try and better the VFS platform for everyone).. but
thats a time investment and support commitment I'm not sure I can afford
:/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Link Filters

Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Learned wrote:
> 
> > I'm back to make my semi-annual pitch for the ability to filter based
> > on contact links. One of the key areas I use Shadow for is Project
> > Management for things my staff is working on. Right now, I have my
> > staff people within the structure itself, which works well, however in
> > many cases I have multiple people working on the same things. This
> > means I have to replicate the information. It would be much nicer if I
> > could structure everything on projects, use links, and then just
> > filter based on the people involved.
> 
> 	And right back at you that you'll have to wait for "Tags", since
> doing filtering based on address linking wont' serve too many people. The
> good news is that Tagging and Custom Filters are the two next items on my
> todo, so you should soon be able to tag an item with multiple resources
> (peopel, equipment, whatever you want), and then filter or sort on that.

You mean I'm that different? I wonder if that's a good or bad thing. Oh
well, I can live with tags, and globally I agree they are more valuable
from a metaphysical universal sense.

Thanks anyway.
g

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:10pm
Subject: Re: Link Filters

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Learned wrote:

> > > staff people within the structure itself, which works well, however in
> > > many cases I have multiple people working on the same things. This
> > > means I have to replicate the information. It would be much nicer if I
> > > could structure everything on projects, use links, and then just
> > > filter based on the people involved.
> > 
> > 	And right back at you that you'll have to wait for "Tags", since
> > doing filtering based on address linking wont' serve too many people. The
> > good news is that Tagging and Custom Filters are the two next items on my
> > todo, so you should soon be able to tag an item with multiple resources
> > (peopel, equipment, whatever you want), and then filter or sort on that.
> 
> You mean I'm that different? I wonder if that's a good or bad thing. Oh
> well, I can live with tags, and globally I agree they are more valuable
> from a metaphysical universal sense.

	No; your needs are what a lot of people sneeds are. But using
Address links may not be "The Way" ;) If I build a system to support
assign people, then I limit the tool greatly.. I prefer to think of peopel
as resources in this general sense, so that the tool supports people as
well as equipment, or attribvutes (like colour, texture, heck, origins of
bottles of wine, you name it). 

	But thats why I'm a developer -- if I built things without
thinking ahead, I'd be building the same thing 3 or 4 times, wasting a lot
of time along the way. Instead I'm trying to do it "right", for the
greater good.

	And in this case, I run the show so I can get away with timelines
;)

	Tags and Custom Filters are up soon..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:41pm
Subject: RE: Link Filters

> -----Original Message-----
> > You mean I'm that different? I wonder if that's a good or bad thing.
Oh
> > well, I can live with tags, and globally I agree they are more
valuable
> > from a metaphysical universal sense.
> 
> 	No; your needs are what a lot of people sneeds are. But using
> Address links may not be "The Way" ;) If I build a system to support
> assign people, then I limit the tool greatly.. I prefer to think of
peopel
> as resources in this general sense, so that the tool supports people
as
> well as equipment, or attribvutes (like colour, texture, heck, origins
of
> bottles of wine, you name it).

The problem there is that while tags will be more useful within Shadow,
I also use contact linking extensively so that things will show up well
in AvctionNames and I can log completed tasks by person and have
everything show up in their contact history.

So will the custom filters you mentioned work for this sort of thing, or
am I out of luck?

Jen

----------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: Link Tags

One of the cool new features in Shadow is the tags in linked todos
which show you where they originated. I'd also love to use these for
MegaWiki to link back to Shadow, but the spaces after the delimiters
cause problems. Is there any way that the string could be done without
the extra spaces or to make that an option?

[[[Shadow: File >Item]]]   (Current)
[[[Shadow:File>Item]]]     (Desired)

Just more wishing.
Gary

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:07pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 437

Peggy, thanks for the detailed explanation, as i will keep that around for future use...those pesky males you have to deal with.  ; )
And thanks to Jeff too for the private quick fix for me!!!
Kevin


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peggy Darling 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 437



  >message 15
  >    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:45:42 -0800
  >    From: "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
  >Subject: Re: HELP!
  >
  >Jeff:
  >Resent with this group in case you don't check the desktop mail as 
  >often...please help a.s.a.p. if possible, as i really need this work i did.
  >Just spent LOTS of time today creating a new file on the desktop.  After
  >syncing, it didn't show up on my pda, and then when tried to open the file
  >back up later on the desktop got the message...
  >"Error!
  >Could not open file.  Perhaps found not yet supported international
  >characters?  (Maybe not well-formed (invalid token) at line268)"
  >
  >Any ideas what happened and how I can get the file to open.  Thanks.
  >
  >Kevin
  >

  Well, Kevin, this sort of thing always (not always, but many times) happens 
  to me after I have been using the DT, snip something online, paste it into 
  my outline, then try to open it on the HH or the DT.

  This is how I fix it:  I open the MS-DOS Editing Program.  Then I open the 
  Palm\Your user name--mine is DarlinP\Shadowplan160\ShadPthe name of the 
  problem outline

  Then, I scroll down to the line # indicated in your error message and see 
  what weird little character got pasted with your snipped text (For me, it 
  always the scientific symbol for "male.")  This symbol never is actually 
  visible in the text when I snip it.  Then, I highlight the symbol, do a 
  Search and replace of it, save the file as your original name, with a new 
  number tacked on the end  (Shad Offending file32). [Yes, I've had to do 
  this fix up to 32 times over the last few months, for some files to 
  which  I paste a lot from my internet cruises.]  I was hoping that the 
  International Character fix would include this pesky male symbol--but it 
  hasn't.  Maybe there is an easy way that Jeff can get Shadow to accept the 
  "male" symbol.  Then, the last important step---send the newly 
  named-numbered offending file to the desktop for your next hot sync--or hot 
  sync immediately--

  Hope this helps!




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:44pm
Subject: RE: Link Filters

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> > 	No; your needs are what a lot of people sneeds are. But using
> > Address links may not be "The Way" ;) If I build a system to support
> > assign people, then I limit the tool greatly.. I prefer to think of
> peopel
> > as resources in this general sense, so that the tool supports people
> as
> > well as equipment, or attribvutes (like colour, texture, heck, origins
> of
> > bottles of wine, you name it).
> 
> The problem there is that while tags will be more useful within Shadow,
> I also use contact linking extensively so that things will show up well
> in AvctionNames and I can log completed tasks by person and have
> everything show up in their contact history.
> 
> So will the custom filters you mentioned work for this sort of thing, or
> am I out of luck?

	Its something I could add to the custom filter engine, or
something I could add to the tag engine. I have been debating keeping Tags
in an addressbook category, or allowing tags to be synced to address book
entries optionally, to make this sort of thing work easier.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: RE: Link Filters

> -----Original Message-----
> > So will the custom filters you mentioned work for this sort of
thing, or
> > am I out of luck?
> 
> 	Its something I could add to the custom filter engine, or
> something I could add to the tag engine. I have been debating keeping
Tags
> in an addressbook category, or allowing tags to be synced to address
book
> entries optionally, to make this sort of thing work easier.

I don't have a free address category to give up for tags. A custom
filter sure would be grand!

Jen

----------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: bonos167  <ygd@i...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:02pm
Subject: New feature?

Is there any chance we could see the addition of "Bookmarks" to Shadow  
in a future release? It would be great for navigating in a sizable 
file that needs to be seen as a flat file(as opposed to multiple 
files)...

From: peircej  <peircej@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:24pm
Subject: Re: VFS support doesn't work!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
I'm also debating building a generic
> reusable category manager so that other applications will be able 
to also
> use it (you know, try and better the VFS platform for everyone).. 
but
> thats a time investment and support commitment I'm not sure I can 
afford
> :/
That sounds like DESKTOP a fine ambition DESKTOP.  But as soon 
DESKTOP as you can DESKTOP appease these people DESKTOP who keep 
nagging DESKTOP you unmercifully about DESKTOP "tags", please keep 
DESKTOP as a high DESKTOP priority adding to DESKTOP the 
functionality of DESKTOP ... um ... I lost my DESKTOP train of 
thought.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:26pm
Subject: Re: New feature?

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, bonos167 wrote:

> Is there any chance we could see the addition of "Bookmarks" to Shadow  
> in a future release? It would be great for navigating in a sizable 
> file that needs to be seen as a flat file(as opposed to multiple 
> files)...

	Dunno; only 3 people have ever asked for it, but it is a neat
idea. I think once I add item to item linking, you'll be able to create
your own bookmarks. For now, you could probably use linker or megawiki to
simulate it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:17pm
Subject:

I've been using the Shadow Beta VFS feature heavily and totally sucessfully so far on my HE 330. However, I cannot seem to create subdirectories for Shadow documents on my CF card as I can for those in memory. Since I have about 20 documents out on the card with more coming, this is getting to be a problem. Am I missing something? If not, can the ability to organize documents on the card in files be added to a future release? This is something that would be potentially useful to any user with a device that uses removable media, not just for HE 330 users, which I realize are in a distinct minority.
 Otherwise, I am plesed with the beta, which seems totally stable. 
 
Bert



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From: Alon Ziv  <alonziv@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:39pm
Subject: possible bug

Hello,

I just registered Shadow Plan yesterday, but I am
already wondering how I lived without it.  It's
fantastic.

But I may have uncovered a small bug.  I'm not sure if
this is a known issue.

Let's say I have 4 top-level tasks on my list.  
I sync and edit my list in Shadow Desktop.  
I add a couple of subtasks to task #2.
I sync again.
Now on the handheld, task #2 has it's 2 subtasks, but
tasks 3 and 4 are now subtasks under task #2 as well.

Maybe Shadow Desktop is not closing a tag properly
when adding subtasks to a task that didn't previously
have them?

Hopefully this all made sense.

Thanks,
Alon


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: (unknown)

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

> I've been using the Shadow Beta VFS feature heavily and totally
> sucessfully so far on my HE 330. However, I cannot seem to create
> subdirectories for Shadow documents on my CF card as I can for those
> in memory. Since I have about 20 documents out on the card with more
> coming, this is getting to be a problem. Am I missing something? If

	Nope; category support on VFS is a future item. I may just jump it
on my priority list, since I really would like it myself.. with good
category support on the card, I'd never keep shadow files in real
memory. ITs just I have to build a category system myself, since the OS
does not provide one (like it does for internal files).

> not, can the ability to organize documents on the card in files be
> added to a future release? This is something that would be potentially
> useful to any user with a device that uses removable media, not just
> for HE 330 users, which I realize are in a distinct minority.

	Pick up Shadow 2.2, btw, released monday/tuesday. (This was a
quick beta as I wanted it out there, and we'd already tested most of it in
alpha for awhile).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:49pm
Subject: Re: possible bug

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Alon Ziv wrote:

> I just registered Shadow Plan yesterday, but I am already wondering
> how I lived without it.  It's fantastic.

	Thanks :)

> But I may have uncovered a small bug.  I'm not sure if this is a known
> issue.

	Items jumping between levels should be reasonably rare; it is
known, but not how it is reproducable. For instance, we need a series of
steps which will always cause this to happen. One person may have given me
a list which can do it, but in general no one has come up with ways of
easily causing these sorts of things to happen.. usually it "just happens"
when you don't expect it :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:59pm
Subject: ...DESKTOP...!

piercej, very funny!  liked that one DESKTOP to lighten things up once in a while DESKTOP.
and, i am with you, very ready for the desktop to be upgraded since the handheld is so far ahead of it now days.  sometimes i am nervous to sync for fear the desktop will screw up all my work on the pda.  but, i understand where jeff is too wanting to take care of the first as much as possible and then get to the other.  too bad we aren't further along with cloning or we could have the other jeff working on the desktop already.

and now a question for Jeff.  assume you already know or are aware, but in case not or in case it is my setup here is what i experience often in syncing desktop with pda...
after making changes on the desktop and then syncing into the pda, many times some of my items seems to shift way right and change their places.  in other words, children suddenly become children of other children, etc.  then when i'm on the pda i have to go through and move everything back to its correct place.  known or a way to fix yet?

once again Jeff, AWESOME work on what you have accomplished for all of us in such a short period of time.  never thought any program would be used more than my planner program (an5), but now shadow is used most often.  i'm considering the change back to datebk because of the ease in linking to addresses compared with how actionnames screws up this linking ability.  a relaxing day finally on this end and time to check out datebk!

even have ncaa basketball this evening and the sun is out for a mountain bike ride.  ahhh!

kevin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: peircej 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:24 AM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: VFS support doesn't work!


  That sounds like DESKTOP a fine ambition DESKTOP.  But as soon 
  DESKTOP as you can DESKTOP appease these people DESKTOP who keep 
  nagging DESKTOP you unmercifully about DESKTOP "tags", please keep 
  DESKTOP as a high DESKTOP priority adding to DESKTOP the 
  functionality of DESKTOP ... um ... I lost my DESKTOP train of 
  thought.




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From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:33pm
Subject: Re: Version 2.2 - Desktop / Printing German language

> 	If your'e using XSL to translate into something else, then
> what characters are you seeing? The odd characters only occur
> when printing directly from Shadow Desktop. (In theory, you could
> save-as HTML and print from IE or the like, too).

Duh. I probably had my wires crossed when I wrote that. :)

I did use the desktop print function for a while until I had set up 
an XSL file to get the formatting I wanted. I guess I was still 
thinking about the reports I sent in using the print function because 
of course you're right, the XML/XSL version is quite okay.

> I'll be revisiting the desktop in a month or so (after
> tags/custom filters, and after a vacation I sorely need :)

Count me in. But alas, so much to do, so little time. :)

Roy.

From: Michael Bryan  <moid@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:35pm
Subject: RE: possible bug

-> 	Items jumping between levels should be reasonably rare; it is
-> known, but not how it is reproducable. For instance, we need a series of
-> steps which will always cause this to happen. One person may
-> have given me
-> a list which can do it, but in general no one has come up with ways of
-> easily causing these sorts of things to happen.. usually it
-> "just happens"
-> when you don't expect it :/
->
-> 		jeff

Jeff,

I sent you a way to repro this including a Shadow file to use where it
repros every time. I may be the person you're referring to here, but if not
let me know and I'll resend it to you. The original email had a
subject="repro for sync problem".

-mike

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 2:44am
Subject: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

It happens with and without hacks, I've gone so far as to put in a 
hard reset and reload...the one thing I do have, which is hard to 
eliminate is JackFlash. I've run Shadow from both RAM and Flash and 
had the effect. As a matter of fact, it happened for about an hour 
today, then went away again.

Essentially, the symptoms are, everything runs fine, right up until I 
tap the 'add' button on the link dialog. At that point, there is 
about a 5 second delay before response, and a 1-5 second delay for 
everything after. It will display the names, one at a time, with a 
delay between. When I enter a scroll letter, it will again pause 
before each name on the redisplay.  When I select a name, again, the 
1 to 5 second pause ( usually closer to 5).

I'm searching for any pattern whatsoever, but so far, the only common 
thing is my palm.

Gary


On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:03:39 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Learned wrote:
>
>>I am having situations where shadow address book linking slows down
>>
>>to a crawl. This will last for days, and every now and then it will
>>
>>speed back up to normal. I haven't been able to detect a pattern.
>>Has
>>anyone else seen this?
>
>    Strange; I've not heard of such a thing before..
>
>    How is it slow? When trying to display the list of addresses? Or
>when doing a name search to link to?
>
>    Any Hacks running?
>
>        jeff
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 0:50pm
Subject: RE: possible bug

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Michael Bryan wrote:

> I sent you a way to repro this including a Shadow file to use where it
> repros every time. I may be the person you're referring to here, but if not
> let me know and I'll resend it to you. The original email had a
> subject="repro for sync problem".

	I think I've got it, and I think you were the one :)

	I'm actually debating a more serious change. I found so many bugs
in various parts of the Palm synch API that made my original design much
more painful to implement than it should've been. So I'm thinking of
changing the original design and redoing some large chunks of the conduit,
so that this sort of thing can't easily happen, and to speed up synching
and make it a lot easier to implement some future conduit stuff.. But we
shall see.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Learned wrote:

> It happens with and without hacks, I've gone so far as to put in a 
> hard reset and reload...the one thing I do have, which is hard to 
> eliminate is JackFlash. I've run Shadow from both RAM and Flash and 
> had the effect. As a matter of fact, it happened for about an hour 
> today, then went away again.

	Flash shouldn't matter.

> Essentially, the symptoms are, everything runs fine, right up until I
> tap the 'add' button on the link dialog. At that point, there is about
> a 5 second delay before response, and a 1-5 second delay for
> everything after. It will display the names, one at a time, with a
> delay between. When I enter a scroll letter, it will again pause
> before each name on the redisplay.  When I select a name, again, the 1
> to 5 second pause ( usually closer to 5).

	Strange; how many addresses do you have?

	If it was consistantly slow, that'd make sense; the fact its slow,
and then speeds up again.. that almost screams hacks or something weird
going on. Can't be Shadow.. it uses a very linear algorithym.. it'd be
slow always, or fast always.. not at random.

	Does it happen in any other applications? (data access slowdowns?)

	How much free memory do you have?

	Does this only occur with some lists, or all lists? Only big
lists?

	Perhaps you've maxxed out your memory, and Shadow is
swapping/caching out to storage memory tocontain everything.. thats a
variable. But that should be pretty hard to do..

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 3:23pm
Subject: RE: Link Tags

There was a thread on how to do this with Megawiki a couple of weeks ago.
Check the list archive.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Learned [mailto:learned@v...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:50 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Link Tags
>
>
> One of the cool new features in Shadow is the tags in linked todos
> which show you where they originated. I'd also love to use these for
> MegaWiki to link back to Shadow, but the spaces after the delimiters
> cause problems. Is there any way that the string could be done without
> the extra spaces or to make that an option?
>
> [[[Shadow: File >Item]]]   (Current)
> [[[Shadow:File>Item]]]     (Desired)
>
> Just more wishing.
> Gary
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:07pm
Subject: Opinion

"Sever todo" as an option under the link arrow popmenu? (right
hand side - or ->)

		jeff

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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Tim McPike  <tim@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Opinion

Like in, delete the todo from the todo db?

Haven't needed to do that, but it would make it fast, e.g., to use in
converting a DB4 todo into a DB4 floating appointment.  This is a feature that
DB4 can do by itself (convert a todo into a floater) but if you do that in DB4,
it severs the link to the underlying Shadow item.

So, yeah, I guess

--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	"Sever todo" as an option under the link arrow popmenu? (right
> hand side - or ->)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
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> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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> 
> 
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From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Opinion

Jeff,
Did we not discuss at one point the idea of a having a "Link ToDo" and
"Unlink ToDo" toggle in the Link Arrow that would quickly link without
having the ToDo Link column [T] shown? Would this be part of this
functionality?

j.



> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:07:38 -0500 (EST)
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Opinion
> 
> 
> "Sever todo" as an option under the link arrow popmenu? (right
> hand side - or ->)
> 
> jeff
> 
> --
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> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:28pm
Subject: RE: Opinion

For me, I use 'delete link' more than 'sever link', so maybe both in the
pop-up?

On a related note, I've recently noticed a much slower opening time for link
manager. There's almost 3 secs between tapping on the 'link manager' in the
popup, and the actual appearance of the link manager screen. It's unrelated
to the size of the list.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Opinion
>
>
>
> 	"Sever todo" as an option under the link arrow popmenu? (right
> hand side - or ->)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:53pm
Subject: Re: Opinion

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Tim McPike wrote:

> Like in, delete the todo from the todo db?

	No, sever the linkage (same as in the link manager); A lad wants
to break the link to his todos fairly regularly, but not delete the todo..
so the [T] optional column doesn't work for him. I'm just not sure how
many people want or need a handier sever option.

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 5:54pm
Subject: RE: Opinion

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> For me, I use 'delete link' more than 'sever link', so maybe both in the
> pop-up?
> 
> On a related note, I've recently noticed a much slower opening time for link
> manager. There's almost 3 secs between tapping on the 'link manager' in the
> popup, and the actual appearance of the link manager screen. It's unrelated
> to the size of the list.

	Its related to the number of files you have on your handheld, for
populating the link to file popmenu. I know, I know, one of these days
I'll make it so it doesn't look up the filenames until you tap on the
popmenu itself.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:44pm
Subject: Broken links won't be severed

When I launched Shadow today, I got the "sever broken links" dialog. 
I hit the sever button, did some work in that particular list and 
then left. When I came back to Shadow (i.e. in the same list as where 
I left) I got the "sever broken links" dialog again.

I told it to sever the links, went to my application launcher and 
immediately back to Shadow, and sure enough, there it was again.

Only when I used the sever option from the menu were the links 
permanently removed: going to the app launcher and back to Shadow no 
longer produced the dialog.

Why could this be happening? Obviously, the dialog did not remove 
(all) broken links as instructed while the menu option did. Is this a 
bug or is there something more obscure going on?

Roy.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: Re: Broken links won't be severed

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> When I launched Shadow today, I got the "sever broken links" dialog. 
> I hit the sever button, did some work in that particular list and 
> then left. When I came back to Shadow (i.e. in the same list as where 
> I left) I got the "sever broken links" dialog again.

	If you do work on the list, it'll be done; if you sever all links,
and then close the list, nothing will be done.. as severing, all by
itself, doesn't trigger a list update (its a passive operation). However,
if oyu do the sever, then edit an item, the seveer will be saved when the
items changed get saved.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Broken links won't be severed

> 	If you do work on the list, it'll be done; if you sever
> all links, and then close the list, nothing will be done.. as
> severing, all by itself, doesn't trigger a list update (its a
> passive operation). However, if oyu do the sever, then edit an
> item, the seveer will be saved when the items changed get saved.

Does that mean that the sever option from the menu is different than 
the one from the dialog? I didn't edit any items, but the broken 
links still got severed after using that option, while they remained 
intact when I used the dialog option.

Roy.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: Broken links won't be severed

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> > 	If you do work on the list, it'll be done; if you sever
> > all links, and then close the list, nothing will be done.. as
> > severing, all by itself, doesn't trigger a list update (its a
> > passive operation). However, if oyu do the sever, then edit an
> > item, the seveer will be saved when the items changed get saved.
> 
> Does that mean that the sever option from the menu is different than 
> the one from the dialog? I didn't edit any items, but the broken 
> links still got severed after using that option, while they remained 
> intact when I used the dialog option.

	Yep, due to the order of operations; they are both the same code
(before you get smart ;), but one happens during the load and the other
happens in user-time. The different semantics causes the change-severity
to differ. Don't ask.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: earlofmar11  <vanstraelen.marc@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:48pm
Subject: Showing full item text if title word wrap suppressed

Another small suggestion for improving Shadow (yes it's still 
possible - but we have to look hard!):

When title word wrap is suppressed in the list options, it is 
sometimes difficult to remember what the item is about, especially 
with some levels of indent and due dates or progress bars displayed. 
On the other hand, sometimes I don't want the multiple line display 
in order to get more items on screen (I don't have a hi-res device). 
Therefore, I suggest Shadow should expand (show the full text on 
multiple lines) of only the selected item. Also, when expanding an 
associated note in-line, the title text should be expanded as well. 
This could be default behaviour or an option.

Keep up the good work, and thanks for responding so promptly to your 
users' comments and requests!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:52pm
Subject: Re: Showing full item text if title word wrap suppressed

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, earlofmar11 wrote:

> Another small suggestion for improving Shadow (yes it's still 
> possible - but we have to look hard!):
> 
> When title word wrap is suppressed in the list options, it is 
> sometimes difficult to remember what the item is about, especially 
> with some levels of indent and due dates or progress bars displayed. 
> On the other hand, sometimes I don't want the multiple line display 
> in order to get more items on screen (I don't have a hi-res device). 
> Therefore, I suggest Shadow should expand (show the full text on 
> multiple lines) of only the selected item. Also, when expanding an 
> associated note in-line, the title text should be expanded as well. 
> This could be default behaviour or an option.

	Interesting idea (the latter one); I've always intended on making
the elipses (...) on truncated title texts to be a toggle wordwrap on that
item, but using the note expand could work too (and is already implemented
:)

> Keep up the good work, and thanks for responding so promptly to your 
> users' comments and requests!

	np :)

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Broken links won't be severed

> 	Yep, due to the order of operations; they are both the
> same code (before you get smart ;),

Who, me? :)

> but one happens during the load and the other happens in
> user-time. The different semantics causes the change-severity
> to differ. Don't ask.

At least I know what to do now when this happens again. I was 
beginning to doubt myself for a moment when I first saw this (didn't 
I already sever those buggers the last time?). :)

Roy.

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: Re: Showing full item text if title word wrap suppressed

> 	Interesting idea (the latter one); I've always intended on
> making the elipses (...) on truncated title texts to be a toggle
> wordwrap on that item, but using the note expand could work too
> (and is already implemented :)

Except that you'd have to show the note expand even on items that 
don't have a note...

Roy.

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:18pm
Subject: Shadow and PPK support

Hi Jeff,

I was just browsing through one of my lists using the Palm Portable 
Keyboard. While I moved the selection bar up and down through my list 
of items, I saw it disappear a couple of times. As it turns out, 
Shadow was trying to highlight the completed items that I had made 
invisible using the Unchecked items filter. Is it safe to say that 
Shadow is "overlooking" this filter while I use it with the PPK?

Also, would it be possible to bring up the Details dialog when I 
press enter or use Fn+Details on the PPK? The same goes for Fn+New 
(create new sibling) and Fn+Delete (delete item).

Of course other PPK support enhancements are welcome too!

Roy.

From: thomasthetwin  <tombishop@q...>
Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 10:57pm
Subject: Move Item to Top, Middle, Bottom

Is there a way to quickly move a selected item to the top, middle and 
bottom of the list?

I am using Shadow as a ToDo list, and I often move items way up or 
down in my list and a way to do so quickly would be great.

I know I can cut and paste, but a shortcut would be better.

Thanks for a great program!

Tom

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 1:17am
Subject: Re: Shadow and PPK support

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> I was just browsing through one of my lists using the Palm Portable 
> Keyboard. While I moved the selection bar up and down through my list 
> of items, I saw it disappear a couple of times. As it turns out, 
> Shadow was trying to highlight the completed items that I had made 
> invisible using the Unchecked items filter. Is it safe to say that 
> Shadow is "overlooking" this filter while I use it with the PPK?

	Yep; keyboard and jogdial movements ignore filters (omission on my
part); Its on my list of things to fix :)

> Also, would it be possible to bring up the Details dialog when I press
> enter or use Fn+Details on the PPK? The same goes for Fn+New (create
> new sibling) and Fn+Delete (delete item).

	Those will work if you're using text button bar; I havent' special
handled them yet for graphical button bar.

> Of course other PPK support enhancements are welcome too!

	Yep :) I'll get to them in time.. got a long list of things to add
:)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 1:45am
Subject: Re: Move Item to Top, Middle, Bottom

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, thomasthetwin wrote:

> Is there a way to quickly move a selected item to the top, middle and 
> bottom of the list?

	Cut, /T, Move (to put an item to 2nd place), drag top item down
one.

> I am using Shadow as a ToDo list, and I often move items way up or 
> down in my list and a way to do so quickly would be great.

	Clipboard is your man.

> I know I can cut and paste, but a shortcut would be better.

	We can't do every exact thing every single person wants, or the
program would be huge and unwieldy. Instead, we do what most people need
or will need, or even sometimes whats just so insanely cool it has to be
done. You could perhaps put a macro together with LaptopHack or the like,
though.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Opinion

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	"Sever todo" as an option under the link arrow popmenu? (right
> hand side - or ->)
> 
> 		jeff
> 


I'd definitely go for that one!

[OT]

I'd like to revive what I'm pretty sure is an old issue.
Any chance of getting a quicker way to set the item type from the list
screen instead of having to dive into details, drop list, tap type,
tap OK...

Personally, I think the 'v' list for changing the whole list type is
pretty much useless because I never use a homogeneous list. 
Therefore, chaning the list type, doesn't really change much :) ... 
but *I suppose* that could just be me!

Ken

From: Mark Ewers  <mark_ewers@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: Showing full item text if title word wrap suppressed

> Interesting idea (the latter one); I've always intended on making
> the elipses (...) on truncated title texts to be a toggle wordwrap on
> that item, ...

What about making the elipses 'hot' so that when touched it reveals the
text it represents? The reveal would last only while the touch
persists. The revealed text would overlay the SP displayed list. That
way you don't have to worry about display reflow.

Mark

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From: Peggy Darling  <peggy_darling@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 438

I read:

So in theory, you're getting a big full screen dialog saying that
you can Sever All Links if you want, or just hit OK.
If Severing is a problem (it shouldn't be!), then hitting OK
shoudl get you into Shadow, in that file.

Can somebody help me understand what the definitions of "broken Links" 
really means?  And "sever all links"?  I think I am missing some 
fundamental meaning . . . I always check "NO" when the error/help message 
asks, in order to get it to accept the renaming.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> I'd like to revive what I'm pretty sure is an old issue.
> Any chance of getting a quicker way to set the item type from the list
> screen instead of having to dive into details, drop list, tap type,
> tap OK...

	I don't imagine most people changing item types so often they need
a shortcut to it. ie: Once its set, you leave that item alone, and most
people edit or read mroe than they create new items. *shrug*

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:36pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 438

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Peggy Darling wrote:

> Can somebody help me understand what the definitions of "broken Links"  
> really means?  And "sever all links"?  I think I am missing some
> fundamental meaning . . . I always check "NO" when the error/help
> message asks, in order to get it to accept the renaming.

	If you link from an item to ToDo, then you have exactly this: A
ToDo item that doesn't knwo anythign about the rest of the world, and a
Shadow item that knows about a ToDo item. Shadow syncs the two, but they
are really two separate things (which is very handy, of course).

	If you go and delete that ToDo, though, and start up Shadow, then
Shadow will notify you of a "broken link", which is to say Shadow knows
about the ToDo (that used to exist), and its wondering where it got to.
You might ask why Shadow doesn't just silently ignore it and count it
gone, but there are several reasons: 1) Maybe you wiped it out by
accident, and you want to be reminded to look for the broken link and
rebuild it, or 2) If you do a complete reinstall, all your links will be
broken and you may wish to know which Shadow items *had* links. Etc etc.

	Severing a link is where you tell Shadow to forget the
relationship. (It doesn't matter if the ToDo still exists or not.. Shadow
just forgets which ToDo was related to the Shadow item).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 0:40am
Subject: Re: Opinion

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to revive what I'm pretty sure is an old issue.
> > Any chance of getting a quicker way to set the item type from the
list
> > screen instead of having to dive into details, drop list, tap
type,
> > tap OK...
> 
> 	I don't imagine most people changing item types so often they need
> a shortcut to it. ie: Once its set, you leave that item alone, and
most
> people edit or read mroe than they create new items. *shrug*
> 
> 		jeff
> 

Jeff,

I'm not going to sit here and declare myself "Mr. Normal", I prefer to
think I'm anything but! :)

I don't think its a matter of the sheer number of things created vs.
read.  I was think more of flow of control.  This pertains more to
note taking that anything else, I suppose.

I'm sitting in a meeting, trying to stay concentrated on the topic
while making notes, setting ToDos, linking contacts... So, I think its
a question of how homogenous most people's lists are.  If they're not,
then how do they get that way?

Granted, once created I don't change the type, but the flow of control
during creation is, well, a bit stilted.  I *have to* stop listening
and concentrate on the Palm just to make sure I know something is a
note and not (say...) a task.  (Actually, right now...*I* do change
them alot, *after* the meeting!)

If most people's lists are mixed (and I'm not *presuming* they are):
(1) Having a "change list type" drop down doesn't make much sense
(2) The creation process should be as "smooth" as possible (best "look
and feel" right?)
(3) With every item, almost the first choice one wants to make is,
what kind of item it is...

At this point, I can't think of any other way to determine if I'm in
the minority or the majority, except to ask for a Poll...

But that's up to you...

Ken

P.S. All in all I think the question is not how often people change an
item's type, but how much more or less they do vs. changing the entire
list's type.  (So far about 200:2, in favor of item change, for me)
(i.e. appropriatness of screen resources use)

From: Janek Schwarz  <janek@j...>
Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 1:57pm
Subject: Archive of shadow-tips

Hi,

has anyone a downloadable archive of shadow-tips somewhere? I 
know i could wget it, but you know ...

Thanks,
Janek.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> I'm sitting in a meeting, trying to stay concentrated on the topic
> while making notes, setting ToDos, linking contacts... So, I think its
> a question of how homogenous most people's lists are.  If they're not,
> then how do they get that way?

	OKay, point. Having never completed my "type" system per se I can
see where you get bottlenecked during a spree of creation. I rarely use
mixed-type lists :)

	Perhaps a global pref that when you hit New item on the button
bar, etc, a list of types pops up so you can pick one before even entering
the creation screen.

> P.S. All in all I think the question is not how often people change an
> item's type, but how much more or less they do vs. changing the entire
> list's type.  (So far about 200:2, in favor of item change, for me)
> (i.e. appropriatness of screen resources use)

	Smartguy ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:41am
Subject: Re: Opinion

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:
> 
> > I'm sitting in a meeting, trying to stay concentrated on the topic
> > while making notes, setting ToDos, linking contacts... So, I think
> > its a question of how homogenous most people's lists are.  If
> > they're not, then how do they get that way?
> 
> 	OKay, point. Having never completed my "type" system per se I
> can see where you get bottlenecked during a spree of creation. I
> rarely use mixed-type lists :)
> 
> 	Perhaps a global pref that when you hit New item on the button
> bar, etc, a list of types pops up so you can pick one before even
> entering the creation screen.
> 

That'd be good.  Just a thought, how 'bout the global preference just
changing you're reaction to the 'v' menu you already have?  I dunno,
maybe two separate activity popups *is* better, that way there's no
trade off... (like I said, just a thought)

> > P.S. All in all I think the question is not how often people
> > change an item's type, but how much more or less they do vs.
> > changing the entire list's type.  (So far about 200:2, in favor of
> > item change, for me)
> > (i.e. appropriatness of screen resources use)
> 
> 	Smartguy ;)
> 
> 		jeff
> 

If you mean "Smarta**", well, yes.  If you actually mean "smart guy"
... I think that's still open to debate... :)

Ken

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:44am
Subject: RE: Re: Opinion

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:08 AM

	Perhaps a global pref that when you hit New item on the button
bar, etc, a list of types pops up so you can pick one before even entering
the creation screen.

Hey, this is a COOL idea!

...Sam

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 4:55am
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

Jeff,

You would be happy to know that I mentioned Shadow 2.2 in my latest column at memoware.

http://www.memoware.com/mw-fotw.htm

--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 03/24/2002

From: Michael Walter  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: RE: opinion

Jeff, I think this is where your use differs from mine at least,
possibly others as well.

All my lists are set to custom.  Then for many items, I set them to
different types - most often note, sometimes tasklist  (I don't usually
use a progress bar on my custom list but I sometimes set a parent as a
tasklist to get the progress bar for the children).  I do this because I
incorporate into 1 list all different types of items, some are to do's,
some are events, some are notes, some are goals, some are planning ideas
etc.  

Please leave the current functionality.  The ability to change the
entire list at once through the [v] dialog is great, especially before
exporting to memo or doc - I switch all to note and then export.  I
export to save a log of events and note form is cleanest.

All well and good, but I often change the item list type within a list
after it has been created.  Usually to a note after the item has been
completed but I want the description of the task there, It saves room!
So I have to agree with Ken and make this easier to do. 

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> I'd like to revive what I'm pretty sure is an old issue.
> Any chance of getting a quicker way to set the item type from the list
> screen instead of having to dive into details, drop list, tap type,
> tap OK...

	I don't imagine most people changing item types so often they
need
a shortcut to it. ie: Once its set, you leave that item alone, and most
people edit or read mroe than they create new items. *shrug*

		jeff



__

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> That'd be good.  Just a thought, how 'bout the global preference just
> changing you're reaction to the 'v' menu you already have?  I dunno,
> maybe two separate activity popups *is* better, that way there's no
> trade off... (like I said, just a thought)

	My plans for the [V] are a little cloudy, and I'm not sure it
directl correlates with your needs. ie: You want to choose the item type
at creation time, and generally do not change it again, right?

	So lets make it so item type is chosen at creation time :) No
beating around the bush.

	The question then becomes:

	1) Is a creation-time popup of types a good idea?
	2) Should it be default with a pref to turn it off (to be like
now)
	3) Should it be like now, with a pref to turn on a pop up? (my
vote for (3), to keep number of taps down)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

Jeff,

I like this feature, as most of my lists are mixed. Option 3 would be fine
with me. Thanks.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> That'd be good.  Just a thought, how 'bout the global preference just
> changing you're reaction to the 'v' menu you already have?  I dunno,
> maybe two separate activity popups *is* better, that way there's no
> trade off... (like I said, just a thought)

           My plans for the [V] are a little cloudy, and I'm not sure it
directl correlates with your needs. ie: You want to choose the item type
at creation time, and generally do not change it again, right?

           So lets make it so item type is chosen at creation time :) No
beating around the bush.

           The question then becomes:

           1) Is a creation-time popup of types a good idea?
           2) Should it be default with a pref to turn it off (to be like
now)
           3) Should it be like now, with a pref to turn on a pop up? (my
vote for (3), to keep number of taps down)

                     jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote:

> You would be happy to know that I mentioned Shadow 2.2 in my latest
> column at memoware.
> http://www.memoware.com/mw-fotw.htm

	Woowoo :) Thanks.

	DayNotes hu? I'll take a peek..

	If only days were longer. Once Shadow Desktop catches up to where
I want it...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 3:25pm
Subject: RE: Re: Opinion

I like (3) also.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:35 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Opinion
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:
>
> > That'd be good.  Just a thought, how 'bout the global preference just
> > changing you're reaction to the 'v' menu you already have?  I dunno,
> > maybe two separate activity popups *is* better, that way there's no
> > trade off... (like I said, just a thought)
>
> 	My plans for the [V] are a little cloudy, and I'm not sure it
> directl correlates with your needs. ie: You want to choose the item type
> at creation time, and generally do not change it again, right?
>
> 	So lets make it so item type is chosen at creation time :) No
> beating around the bush.
>
> 	The question then becomes:
>
> 	1) Is a creation-time popup of types a good idea?
> 	2) Should it be default with a pref to turn it off (to be like
> now)
> 	3) Should it be like now, with a pref to turn on a pop up? (my
> vote for (3), to keep number of taps down)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 7:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opinion

(3) is good here too.
thanks,
kevin


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Opinion


  On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

  > That'd be good.  Just a thought, how 'bout the global preference just
  > changing you're reaction to the 'v' menu you already have?  I dunno,
  > maybe two separate activity popups *is* better, that way there's no
  > trade off... (like I said, just a thought)

        My plans for the [V] are a little cloudy, and I'm not sure it
  directl correlates with your needs. ie: You want to choose the item type
  at creation time, and generally do not change it again, right?

        So lets make it so item type is chosen at creation time :) No
  beating around the bush.

        The question then becomes:

        1) Is a creation-time popup of types a good idea?
        2) Should it be default with a pref to turn it off (to be like
  now)
        3) Should it be like now, with a pref to turn on a pop up? (my
  vote for (3), to keep number of taps down)

              jeff




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From: grumpstone  <grumpstone@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Opinion

--- In