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From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: RE: Shadow and Handera 330

 
Same OS. I'm currently using SP version 2.1.6 (I forget if its alpha or
beta), but I've never had this problem with any version. I also have a few
hacks active. Have you tried re-installing?

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ralvy@c... [mailto:ralvy@c...]
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:19 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Shadow and Handera 330
>
>
> Really? No, I'm using the official 2.1 release of Shadow. My Handera OS
> is 3.5.3 A29. Same as yours?
>
> "Samuel J. Radcliffe" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Doesn't happen to me. Are you using a alpha or beta version?
> >
> > ...Sam
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ralvy@c... [mailto:ralvy@c...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:09 PM
> > > To: Shadow Discussion Group
> > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow and Handera 330
> > >
> > >
> > > Am I the only Handera 330 user here who finds that File linking with
> > > Shadow 2.1 results in Fatal Exceptions? That is, if I create a link to
> > > an existing Shadow file, and then execute that link, I get a Fatal
> > > Exception every time, with or without hacks loaded.
>
> --
> Ralph Alvy
> ralvy@c...
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4702

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:34pm
Subject: Re: Shadow and Handera 330

 
Jeff,

After reading that other Handera user's post, I deleted all Shadow files
from RAM and then reinstalled. Now I find links to files work. Must have
either been a corrupt Shadow file, or some configuration of options that
causes this. I'll change options one at at time, testing the linking
after each one. If the problem returns, I'll let you know.

Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> 
> > Am I the only Handera 330 user here who finds that File linking with
> > Shadow 2.1 results in Fatal Exceptions? That is, if I create a link to
> > an existing Shadow file, and then execute that link, I get a Fatal
> > Exception every time, with or without hacks loaded.
> 
>         I think you are the only one. But I haven't an idea how something
> coudl be going wrong.. if you can close an dopen a file, you're doing
> exactly what the file linking is doing..  it screasm hack, but you've
> disabled hacks.
> 
>         What about sneaky hacks.. like PDA Defense (which can cause all
> sorts of random problems, though I hear they're fixing it up). Any
> speedups? (I run Shadow on AfterBurner with no problem, but when using
> speedups, you're on a unit by unit basis for success)
> 
>                 jeff
4703

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:35pm
Subject: Re: Shadow and Handera 330

 
See my post to Jeff. Yes, reinstalled after reading your first post to
me. This seems to have solved it. Thanks!

"Samuel J. Radcliffe" wrote:
> 
> 
> Same OS. I'm currently using SP version 2.1.6 (I forget if its alpha or
> beta), but I've never had this problem with any version. I also have a few
> hacks active. Have you tried re-installing?
> 
> ...Sam
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ralvy@c... [mailto:ralvy@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:19 AM
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Shadow and Handera 330
> >
> >
> > Really? No, I'm using the official 2.1 release of Shadow. My Handera OS
> > is 3.5.3 A29. Same as yours?
> >
> > "Samuel J. Radcliffe" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Doesn't happen to me. Are you using a alpha or beta version?
> > >
> > > ...Sam
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ralvy@c... [mailto:ralvy@c...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:09 PM
> > > > To: Shadow Discussion Group
> > > > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow and Handera 330
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am I the only Handera 330 user here who finds that File linking with
> > > > Shadow 2.1 results in Fatal Exceptions? That is, if I create a link to
> > > > an existing Shadow file, and then execute that link, I get a Fatal
> > > > Exception every time, with or without hacks loaded.
> >
> > --
> > Ralph Alvy
> > ralvy@c...
> >
> >
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ralvy@c...
4704

From: grn_white  <michael.walter@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:39pm
Subject: Linking to additional programs

 
Jeff, Question for you that you can place well down on the priority 
scale but thought I would throw it out.

The link manager allows you to set a progam for alternative memo 
linking but as I understand it, this is a global pref in that then you 
have to always link to that app for memo linking.  I understand this 
if you use a replacement memo app.  BUT what about when I use more 
than 1?  I use the built in memos and I use Docs to Go for longer wrod 
and excel files that I like to synch with my desktop.  I would like to 
be able to link with both types of files.  

Is there any plans to have the ability to link with both a memo and 
other types of files?  Is a megawiki type of solution something I 
should be looking at instead (I am intrigued by the possibilities that 
megawiki might allow - have it downloaded but haven't had time to 
learn how to harness it yet.)  Anyone else have any thoughts on 
solutions.

I haven't tried the new beta (No Clie boo hoo, so the hi res 
possibilities just make me depressed) but will switch to 2.2 when it 
is out.  As always - keep up the exemplary service (Do you really know 
how amazingly unique you are?  Another gift from Canada to the World!)
4705

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:56pm
Subject: Re: New poll and other responses...

 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> >	Yeah, its a tough call. Can colour progress bars be done
> >tastefully? I'm not sure. My wife likes the idea of just having 0 and 100%
> >with alrternate colours,
> 
> I think this would be ideal.  A bit more color to provide some quick glance 
> benefits, not too much color to override these benefits.  Keeps the 
> interface simple.

	Yep. Not sure if it adds enough ebenfit to be of value.. but it
would tell you "this is 0% dumbass!" at a glance :)

> PS.  I'm sure you know how important it is to agree with your wife!  ;)

	You've seen Shadow; you know I'm not a flashy UI designer. She's a
developer too - if I had half a wit, I'd have her working on things to
pretty it all up :P

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4706

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Linking to additional programs

 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, grn_white wrote:

> The link manager allows you to set a progam for alternative memo 
> linking but as I understand it, this is a global pref in that then you 
> have to always link to that app for memo linking.  I understand this 
> if you use a replacement memo app.  BUT what about when I use more 
> than 1?  I use the built in memos and I use Docs to Go for longer wrod 
> and excel files that I like to synch with my desktop.  I would like to 
> be able to link with both types of files.  

	Memo linking is a link to the buitl in memo database; most people
have only one replacement, if they have a replacement at all.. so
supporting multiple memo receivers woudl be a bit of work but I'm betting
not too popular.

> Is there any plans to have the ability to link with both a memo and
> other types of files?  Is a megawiki type of solution something I
> should be looking at instead (I am intrigued by the possibilities that
> megawiki might allow - have it downloaded but haven't had time to
> learn how to harness it yet.)  Anyone else have any thoughts on
> solutions.

	I definitely plan on allowing linking to other data types, like
Diddlbugs and such. Its just down on the priority chain, so Megawiki could
get you a more shortterm solution.

> I haven't tried the new beta (No Clie boo hoo, so the hi res
> possibilities just make me depressed) but will switch to 2.2 when it
> is out.  As always - keep up the exemplary service (Do you really know
> how amazingly unique you are?  Another gift from Canada to the World!)

	heh. I try :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4707

From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:02pm
Subject: Re: New poll and other responses...

 
Jeff asked:

...Is Lubak the only one making highres fonts for fonthack?

           (And how does one get those to work? Whenever I set Standard or
HrStandard font to a lubak font (SansSerif16) I get garbage all over the
screen.....


The Lubak fonts are the only ones I've seen mentioned in the Sony groups.

I've had good luck with Fonthack. Are you having trouble in all apps or
just Shadow? For Shadow I find it awesome with the SS16 and the Symbol
fonts.  In fonthack, I chose Shadow as the app, and then set it up just
like on the Lubak website:  http://www.domino.sk/lubak/  (set standard to
SansSerif16(0) and HRStandard to SansSerif16(1)). I had datebook crash
because of fonthack, I think because of missing something with symbols
(crashed on any day with untimed appt), and I can't get CSPOTRUN to
recognize the fonthack fonts (but that's okay, cause I'll just switch to
HandStory). Hope this helps.

Scott
4708

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: Re: New poll and other responses...

 
i'd agree with the option to change the progress bar color (even though i'm fine with the current color too!), but i like seeing one color across the entire bar with it going across as a percentage of what has been completed.  almost like a second click that is not necessary, if color changes across the bar i first see how far the line is across, then begin to think if the color on one is something different from another -- an unnecessary extra thought in the process!  ; )
Kevin


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] New poll and other responses...


  On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

  > >      Yeah, its a tough call. Can colour progress bars be done
  > >tastefully? I'm not sure. My wife likes the idea of just having 0 and 100%
  > >with alrternate colours,
  > 
  > I think this would be ideal.  A bit more color to provide some quick glance 
  > benefits, not too much color to override these benefits.  Keeps the 
  > interface simple.

        Yep. Not sure if it adds enough ebenfit to be of value.. but it
  would tell you "this is 0% dumbass!" at a glance :)

  > PS.  I'm sure you know how important it is to agree with your wife!  ;)

        You've seen Shadow; you know I'm not a flashy UI designer. She's a
  developer too - if I had half a wit, I'd have her working on things to
  pretty it all up :P

              jeff




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4709

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:10pm
Subject: Re: Lubak's fonts

 
I actually went through for Shadow and changed ALL the standard fonts listed to SansSerif16B(0), all the HRfonts listed to SansSerif16B(1), and this got me thicker letters.  Then the three symbol fonts must be changed as lubak shows in the bottom left corner of his site's example...the three standard symbols should be changed in the same order to the top three symbols under the font choices, with the three HRSymbols changed to the lower three font symbols under font choices.  Then save exit, acknowledge, acknowledge.  Should have hi res assistant checked for programs, and make sure the Shadow box is not checked.  Then in Shadow uncheck the mixed res box too, and should be good to go!  Only wish the SanSerif had a 14 and 12 point to allow a bit smaller.

Hope that helps anyone.

Kevin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: smasters@a... 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] New poll and other responses...



  Jeff asked:

  ...Is Lubak the only one making highres fonts for fonthack?

             (And how does one get those to work? Whenever I set Standard or
  HrStandard font to a lubak font (SansSerif16) I get garbage all over the
  screen.....


  The Lubak fonts are the only ones I've seen mentioned in the Sony groups.

  I've had good luck with Fonthack. Are you having trouble in all apps or
  just Shadow? For Shadow I find it awesome with the SS16 and the Symbol
  fonts.  In fonthack, I chose Shadow as the app, and then set it up just
  like on the Lubak website:  http://www.domino.sk/lubak/  (set standard to
  SansSerif16(0) and HRStandard to SansSerif16(1)). I had datebook crash
  because of fonthack, I think because of missing something with symbols
  (crashed on any day with untimed appt), and I can't get CSPOTRUN to
  recognize the fonthack fonts (but that's okay, cause I'll just switch to
  HandStory). Hope this helps.

  Scott




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4710

From: Betsy Grimm  <b-grimm@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: RE: Lubak's fonts

 
I tried exactly this and it works great (Clie N610).  The only problem I
have is with check boxes - the bottom line is cut off.  I changed to circles
(don't have a particular preference, at least in the list I was playing
with), but do you have the same result, or a suggestion to fix it?

Thanks,
Betsy

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...]
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:11 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Lubak's fonts


I actually went through for Shadow and changed ALL the standard fonts listed
to SansSerif16B(0), all the HRfonts listed to SansSerif16B(1), and this got
me thicker letters.  Then the three symbol fonts must be changed as lubak
shows in the bottom left corner of his site's example...the three standard
symbols should be changed in the same order to the top three symbols under
the font choices, with the three HRSymbols changed to the lower three font
symbols under font choices.  Then save exit, acknowledge, acknowledge.
Should have hi res assistant checked for programs, and make sure the Shadow
box is not checked.  Then in Shadow uncheck the mixed res box too, and
should be good to go!  Only wish the SanSerif had a 14 and 12 point to allow
a bit smaller.

Hope that helps anyone.

Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: smasters@a...
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] New poll and other responses...



  Jeff asked:

  ...Is Lubak the only one making highres fonts for fonthack?

             (And how does one get those to work? Whenever I set Standard or
  HrStandard font to a lubak font (SansSerif16) I get garbage all over the
  screen.....


  The Lubak fonts are the only ones I've seen mentioned in the Sony groups.

  I've had good luck with Fonthack. Are you having trouble in all apps or
  just Shadow? For Shadow I find it awesome with the SS16 and the Symbol
  fonts.  In fonthack, I chose Shadow as the app, and then set it up just
  like on the Lubak website:  http://www.domino.sk/lubak/  (set standard to
  SansSerif16(0) and HRStandard to SansSerif16(1)). I had datebook crash
  because of fonthack, I think because of missing something with symbols
  (crashed on any day with untimed appt), and I can't get CSPOTRUN to
  recognize the fonthack fonts (but that's okay, cause I'll just switch to
  HandStory). Hope this helps.

  Scott




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4711

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Address linking

 
Jeff, I'm experiencing the same problem.  I have a Clie T615 and use 
Action Names. The links are there, although the selection screen is 
blank until it is clicked and "OK" selected.  Then the name selected 
comes up, although I have no idea of what the selction is because I 
can't see it until then.  If I set the Clie prefs to exclude Shadow 
as a High Res program and I un-tick the Shadow High-Res preference, 
the address book comes up fine.  The problems seems to be related to 
high res.

The same happens when selecting a Memo to add rather than an Address.

Also, selecting "go to" from the link screen doesn't appear to behave 
as expected.  I highlighted the linked address and "go to" opened an 
unrelated "meeting".  My expectation was that it would open the 
address.

I don't think I have installed any hacks.  I'm a wee bit new at this 
and the terminology still escapes me sometimes.

BTW, great program, I love it.

Rita

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, jhshimada wrote:
> 
> > I am using the current version of Shadow v. 2.1, and my ability 
to 
> > link to addresses has stopped.  The window which displays 
addresses 
> > doesn't display anything.  It will display memos.  Could it be 
> > related to my ever growing address database?  Currently over 
1,400 
> > contacts.
> 
> 	It should work with any number of addresses.
> 
> 	Have you installed any hacks? Try disabling them. What address
> book program are you using? (Built in or otherwise?) Somethign 
strange
> must be going on..
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4712

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: Address linking

 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, rblanzan wrote:

> Jeff, I'm experiencing the same problem.  I have a Clie T615 and use 
> Action Names. The links are there, although the selection screen is 
> blank until it is clicked and "OK" selected.  Then the name selected 
> comes up, although I have no idea of what the selction is because I 
> can't see it until then.  If I set the Clie prefs to exclude Shadow 
> as a High Res program and I un-tick the Shadow High-Res preference, 
> the address book comes up fine.  The problems seems to be related to 
> high res.

	Okay, so you where does the problem show:

	High res Asist mode
	Low res mode
	Mixed resolution mode (which is high res assist more or less for
this)

> The same happens when selecting a Memo to add rather than an Address.

	Interesting; sounds like a bug in high res assist mode of the OS
(rather, another bug in the HRA OS :/)

> Also, selecting "go to" from the link screen doesn't appear to behave 
> as expected.  I highlighted the linked address and "go to" opened an 
> unrelated "meeting".  My expectation was that it would open the 
> address.

	Are you using Action Names? Action Names uses an unpublished
"goto" handler (why did they make it if they won't tell anyone the
API?) so unpredictable things can happen when jumping to addresses using
AN. Their bad.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4713

From: earlofmar11  <vanstraelen.marc@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 9:57pm
Subject: Sorting on Target Date - a request

 
First of all, I've registered Shadow almost immediately after I 
discovered it half a year ago, and I've never once regretted it: it's 
a great piece of software.

I have one thing that bothers me, however. I use Shadow to keep track 
of to do's and projects, and I like to sort activities according to 
ascending target dates, so as to see the most urgent ones first. 
However, this sort lists the undated items first, whereas I leave 
items undated only if they are not so urgent or important. I'd prefer 
to have the undated items at the end of the list. Two potential 
solutions: either just change the sort behaviour (might upset some 
other people's habits), or create an extra preference (like the one 
for the priority sort order) that determines if undated items are 
considered as earlier or later in a date sort.

Keep up the good work!
4714

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:19pm
Subject: Re: Sorting on Target Date - a request

 
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, earlofmar11 wrote:

> First of all, I've registered Shadow almost immediately after I
> discovered it half a year ago, and I've never once regretted it: it's
> a great piece of software.

	Glad you're enjoying it :)

> I have one thing that bothers me, however. I use Shadow to keep track
> of to do's and projects, and I like to sort activities according to
> ascending target dates, so as to see the most urgent ones first.  
> However, this sort lists the undated items first, whereas I leave
> items undated only if they are not so urgent or important. I'd prefer
> to have the undated items at the end of the list. Two potential
> solutions: either just change the sort behaviour (might upset some
> other people's habits), or create an extra preference (like the one
> for the priority sort order) that determines if undated items are
> considered as earlier or later in a date sort.

	Its definitely on the todo list for soon. I'm leaning towards a
pref right now..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4715

From: nodrog  <nodrog@u...>
Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: Sort/Filter "No Target" and "No Priority" Items

 
Yes, please add these.
I have tried every filter trying to find one that filters out things with 
no date, but couldn't find one.  It's needed.
rls.

At 07:39 PM 3/14/02 +0000, you wrote:
>    Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:37:21 -0500 (EST)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Subject: Re: Sort/Filter "No Target" and  "No Priority" Items
>
>On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Tim McPike wrote:
>
> > It would be great to have the following options
> >
> > Sort options
> > -- always sort "no priority" items to:      __ Top __ Bottom
> > -- always sort "no target date" items to:   __ Top __ Bottom
>
>         You mean "Sort priority", and you can use ascending or descending
>as you see fit? I'm thinking of adding a global pref that causes undated
>items to always sort to the bottom. Now, they sort to the top, when
>ascending (since they are the lowest value).
>
> > Filter options
> > -- When filtering, always filter out "no priority" items
> > -- When filtering, always filter out "no target date" items
>
>         I can add these if needed.
>
>                 jeff
4716

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:36am
Subject: Re: Lubak's fonts

 
Betsy...i did the same thing, changed to circles, and actually have grown to like the look better that way.  I also like the box that shows if i have a to do link and whether it is broken, so i get no bottoms on those boxes.  Wondering if all my symbols stuff was moved to the smallest...hmm, will let you know if that helps.
Kevin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Betsy Grimm 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:16 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Lubak's fonts


  I tried exactly this and it works great (Clie N610).  The only problem I
  have is with check boxes - the bottom line is cut off.  I changed to circles
  (don't have a particular preference, at least in the list I was playing
  with), but do you have the same result, or a suggestion to fix it?

  Thanks,
  Betsy

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kevin Giberson [mailto:kevin@g...]
  Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:11 AM
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Lubak's fonts


  I actually went through for Shadow and changed ALL the standard fonts listed
  to SansSerif16B(0), all the HRfonts listed to SansSerif16B(1), and this got
  me thicker letters.  Then the three symbol fonts must be changed as lubak
  shows in the bottom left corner of his site's example...the three standard
  symbols should be changed in the same order to the top three symbols under
  the font choices, with the three HRSymbols changed to the lower three font
  symbols under font choices.  Then save exit, acknowledge, acknowledge.
  Should have hi res assistant checked for programs, and make sure the Shadow
  box is not checked.  Then in Shadow uncheck the mixed res box too, and
  should be good to go!  Only wish the SanSerif had a 14 and 12 point to allow
  a bit smaller.

  Hope that helps anyone.

  Kevin
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: smasters@a...
    To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:02 AM
    Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] New poll and other responses...



    Jeff asked:

    ...Is Lubak the only one making highres fonts for fonthack?

               (And how does one get those to work? Whenever I set Standard or
    HrStandard font to a lubak font (SansSerif16) I get garbage all over the
    screen.....


    The Lubak fonts are the only ones I've seen mentioned in the Sony groups.

    I've had good luck with Fonthack. Are you having trouble in all apps or
    just Shadow? For Shadow I find it awesome with the SS16 and the Symbol
    fonts.  In fonthack, I chose Shadow as the app, and then set it up just
    like on the Lubak website:  http://www.domino.sk/lubak/  (set standard to
    SansSerif16(0) and HRStandard to SansSerif16(1)). I had datebook crash
    because of fonthack, I think because of missing something with symbols
    (crashed on any day with untimed appt), and I can't get CSPOTRUN to
    recognize the fonthack fonts (but that's okay, cause I'll just switch to
    HandStory). Hope this helps.

    Scott




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4717

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 0:23am
Subject: Re: International character issue with Shadow Desktop

 
> Before you assume that it's a bug...

I didn't, I reported it as an *issue* I have when working with 
international characters. :)

> The Shadow Desktop main window would need to account for this
> (Windows will do the conversion from UTF-8 to UCS-2 for you
> using MultiByteToWideChar with CP_UTF8 as the code page
> argument), but the XML file would actually be incorrect if the
> e-umlaut appeared as the byte E4 -- that would be an unmatched
> partial character token, and other XML tools would reject the
> file.

This is a very interesting explanation, but I don't really see how it 
applies to my problem. I am using international characters (alas, my 
language uses a few of those) which don't show up as such in the 
print preview or on paper. If Windows offers a conversion routine to 
do the proper translation in the Shadow Desktop UI, then perhaps this 
routine should also be used in the print/preview code.

For the record: I didn't say that I wasn't happy with the multi-byte 
representations in the XML-file (in fact, I said that all looks well 
there). It is only the print/preview that gets messed up and that 
shouldn't be the case.

So it seems to be a bug after all. :)

Roy.
4718

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:23am
Subject: Re: Re: International character issue with Shadow Desktop

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> This is a very interesting explanation, but I don't really see how it 
> applies to my problem. I am using international characters (alas, my 
> language uses a few of those) which don't show up as such in the 
> print preview or on paper. If Windows offers a conversion routine to 
> do the proper translation in the Shadow Desktop UI, then perhaps this 
> routine should also be used in the print/preview code.

	The print preview not showing all international characters is a
Shadow bug (or rather, a bug in a toolkit I use). It is not user
problem.. I'll have it fixed soon (when I revisit the desktop in a bit, I
will be updating recent toolkit changes, which ought to help the print
subsystem)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4719

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 11:42pm
Subject: Re: Address linking

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	Okay, so you where does the problem show:
>
> 	High res Asist mode
> 	Low res mode
> 	Mixed resolution mode (which is high res assist more or less 
for
> this)

since my last post, I have deleted and re-installed Shadow and tested 
the high res assist modes and Shadow mixed res mode combinations 
again.  *This time*, the Clie's high res assist checked or unchecked 
does not make a difference when Mixed Res mode is unchecked, the 
names of my address book and the titles of the memos appear for 
selection when adding a link, but in the bigger standard font.  

After checking the mixed res mode in Shadow, the font changes to the 
really small font and this is when the address book list and memo 
list is not visible when adding a link to an item - the lists are 
there, because if I tap on a section of the screen where there is 
supposed to be items and tap ok an address or memo is added.

>
> > The same happens when selecting a Memo to add rather than an 
> > Address.
>
> 	Interesting; sounds like a bug in high res assist mode of the 
OS 
> (rather, another bug in the HRA OS :/)
>
> > Also, selecting "go to" from the link screen doesn't appear to 
> > behave as expected.  I highlighted the linked address and "go to" 
> > opened an unrelated "meeting".  My expectation was that it would 
> > open the address.
>
> 	Are you using Action Names? Action Names uses an 
unpublished "goto" 
> handler (why did they make it if they won't tell anyone the
> API?) so unpredictable things can happen when jumping to addresses 
> using AN. Their bad.

I use Action Names, and I remember reading your comment/s regarding 
the unpublished "goto" handler on other posts.  So, I tried to remove 
all references to this program (short of deliting it altogether) and 
set the preferences to the internal address book and todo list.  AN 
seems to be almost parasytic in this instance.  I've set the shadow 
preferred date book and to do list to the internal ones, but the 
Shadow "goto" still takes me to an AN meeting and I could not set it 
to go to the internal address book. If someone can point me to 
another similar application, I'm willing to change though :)

Rita
4720

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 4:15am
Subject: Hi shadow users - must you register SO SOON?

 
That must be wrong. I downloaded shadow plan yesterday night and 
today I have to register. All because the file that I put in there 
had been too big already.

I deleted all files off my palm and started modifying the database on 
the desktop version instead. Saved it as  a palm database file and 
hotsynced. No file got uploaded to my palm. So now I have no way out!
I am sure some of you have ventured the same route as I have. What do 
I do now?

Please respond as soon as you see this!

Thank you,
Eager new user
Carina
4721

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:50am
Subject: Someone ssuggestions

 
I'm feeling masochistic. This just interesting, so I am forwarding
it. But don't get any ideas out of it :P

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:43:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Possible??

One more follow-up on this one - I've been doing some more playing.

Purely in terms of functionallity as a replacement for the Todo app (and
knowing that that isn't nessesarily your primary goal for Shadow), getting
everything in a single list would get me/us close to my original intent, but
maintenance it still more difficult (unless I missed something else along
the way) than it would be directly in the todo app.  For instance - catagory
changes require 2 steps, moving the item in the list, and changing the
catagory on details screen.  I understand and respect your original comments
(including future development), but I still think this (re-described below)
would be a powerful addition to shadow.

Just to repeat the concept:
A predefined list (with the appropriate background interface) to serve the
single purpose of being a pure replacement to the todo app.

The list would read/write on a real time basis directly from/to the todo
database.

The list would appear as a parent per todo catagory, with each todo item as
a first level child of it's respective parent.

The list would have to know that moving an item from parent (catagory) 1 to
parent (catagory) 2 also meant that the catagory in the database needed to
be updated.

Ultimately, this would allow us to use Shadow as our todo ap, but still use
DateBk4 and other such aps to view real time todo data directly from the
todo database.

Don't take this out of context, Shadow is the 2nd most useful ap on my HH,
and that's only because I use DateBk4 to maintain my calendar AND todo's
(despite it's limitations). I just think this would be a powerful and
popular attribute that would help many, and perhaps entice others to
purchase the ap.

Thanks for all the hard work.
4722

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Address linking

 
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, rblanzan wrote:

> After checking the mixed res mode in Shadow, the font changes to the
> really small font and this is when the address book list and memo list
> is not visible when adding a link to an item - the lists are there,
> because if I tap on a section of the screen where there is supposed to
> be items and tap ok an address or memo is added.

	OKay, I can see it now so I'll fix it.

	Looks like a bug in high res assist.

> I use Action Names, and I remember reading your comment/s regarding 
> the unpublished "goto" handler on other posts.  So, I tried to remove 
> all references to this program (short of deliting it altogether) and 
> set the preferences to the internal address book and todo list.  AN 
> seems to be almost parasytic in this instance.  I've set the shadow 
> preferred date book and to do list to the internal ones, but the 
> Shadow "goto" still takes me to an AN meeting and I could not set it 
> to go to the internal address book. If someone can point me to 
> another similar application, I'm willing to change though :)

	So you went to link manager, Add, picked an address, then Set
Program to built in Address Book, and then cancel the add? That shoudl
work..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4723

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Re: Hi shadow users - must you register SO SOON?

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, carinas30 wrote:

> That must be wrong. I downloaded shadow plan yesterday night and 
> today I have to register. All because the file that I put in there 
> had been too big already.

	I believe my policy is a very good one; most programs make you
sign up after a few days, or 10 plays, or 1 month. I believe all of these
are not right (except maybe for 10 plays for a game, that sounds
okay). For instance, if you install an app, then go on vacation, and come
back unable to use it.. what did you get out of it? Or if you get a month
of use, and you install all kidns of stuff into an app, and then suddenly
get cut off.. thats not right. Your data is now trapped and held hostage
until you pay? Its *your* data, so at least the app must make it
accessibnle, right?

	So with Shadow, you register when you like. You can use it as long
as you can stag the "buy me!" popups. IT has only one limit, and that is
the file size suggestive limits. I figure.. if you \are making lots of big
files, you must already like it enough to want to buy it ;) (ie: If I did
not limit file size, no one would ever buy unless I resorted to extortion
like most apps do, which I think is wrong)

> I deleted all files off my palm and started modifying the database on
> the desktop version instead. Saved it as a palm database file and
> hotsynced. No file got uploaded to my palm. So now I have no way out!

	If you save it as a palm database file, then you must ask Hotsync
to install it. ie: Shadow Desktop doesn't know your goal.. whethor you
want to put it on a floppy to take to work, or to do it now, etc. So after
you've saved out a pdb file, you can double click on it to send it up to
the handheld. If you use this to work around the registration limit,
you're being a goof :P

	If you mean a straight Shadow Desktop sync, then it tends not to
like to do it very well until registered (again, if it worked too well, no
one would register).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4724

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:02pm
Subject: Re: Hi shadow users - must you register SO SOON?

 
Jeff, The file I put in there is a cleaning routine file that I found 
on the internet. That is the file which has 3887 in memory. As soon 
as I wanted to modify it, add one new sibling it defaults to: Please 
buy me.  

What is the file limit?
Why can't I delete some datafiles from the pda?

Carina
4725

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi shadow users - must you register SO SOON?

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, carinas30 wrote:

> Jeff, The file I put in there is a cleaning routine file that I found 
> on the internet. That is the file which has 3887 in memory. As soon 
> as I wanted to modify it, add one new sibling it defaults to: Please 
> buy me.  
> 
> What is the file limit?

	24 items until registered.

> Why can't I delete some datafiles from the pda?

	You definitely can; assuming you mean Shadow files, you delete
them from the file selection screen (there is a trash can icon, as well as
a the right hand side popmenu operations). If youmean other files.. I can
help you there too :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4726

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 5:23pm
Subject: Shadow Plan 2.2 Released!

 
I'm still updating the website and portal sites (like PalmGear),
but you can get Shadow Plan 2.2 from the link in this email, right now!

	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/binaries/shadow22.zip

	From the WhatsNew file:

Shadow Plan 2.2!
----------------

We don't rest here at Codejedi and so while Shadow Plan 2.1 was in the
oven we were already working on cooking up Shadow Plan 2.2 which is now
hot and ready to serve! This version is mainly aimed at making our
Sony-owning friends smile and to increase the smile everyone else already
has. Fear not Handera owners.. we'll have you grinning soon enough!

* Plugin cards and VFS support! There are numerous new things surrounding
  this feature but to keep it simple.. you can now store Shadow files on
  VFS and Shadow can move to/from the card for you, making it very simple
  to use. See the Reference Guide for details.

* New Filter and Hilight: "Items linked to ToDo or Datebook".

* New ToDo Import option; "Unfinished items only".

* New features for Sony users, including jog dial support and a new high
  resolution mode (colour and black and white units). See the Reference
  Guide for details of how to set it up.

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4727

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: Updated dev plan page..

 
In case your curious (as to where Tags fall into the greater
scheme of things)..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4728

From: docnighthawk  <peter.grierson@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:24pm
Subject: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	In case your curious (as to where Tags fall into the greater
> scheme of things)..
> 
Could we have the URL?

Peter R.

"All Accounting is creative."
4729

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, docnighthawk wrote:

> > 	In case your curious (as to where Tags fall into the greater
> > scheme of things)..

> Could we have the URL?

	Lazy :) "Dev-Plan" on the website..

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/bugtrack.html

	However, not sure which I'll do first of 3/4 and 2..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4730

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Address linking

 
> 	So you went to link manager, Add, picked an address, then Set
> Program to built in Address Book, and then cancel the add? That 
shoudl
> work..

It does work, <blush> what you described is not what I was doing.  
I'll go stand in a corner facing the wall for a while :)

Rita
4731

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 10:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
> 	However, not sure which I'll do first of 3/4 and 2..
>
> 		jeff


As a HE user, I can live with 3/4 before 2. Just please don't move 2 down
below 5!

...Sam
4732

From: awd3034  <awd3034@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 11:30pm
Subject: Fonts and Fonthack for newbies

 
I am having trouble with fonthack--downloaded the lubak fonts, 
INCLUDING all the symbol fonts, and installed them just as Lubak 
mapped them on his website.  Shadow textlooks great, except that 
progress bars, arrows, etc are too big.  I confirmed in Fonthack that 
the symbols are installed just as suggested on the Lubak website, but 
no luck.  Anybody else encountered this?

AWD
4733

From: Jeffrey M. Cox  <jcox@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:49am
Subject: Feature request: support for Datebk 4 floating appointments

 
Hello---
 
Please forgive me if this item was hacked to death at some point in the
past.
 
Will there be support for Dakebk 4 floating events. I would like to have
a floating event be able to be created in Shadow Plan.
 
Jeff
 
----------------------------
Jeffrey M. Cox
e-mail: jcox@n...
 
 


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4734

From: Jeffrey M. Cox  <jcox@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:54am
Subject: feature request: [filter] show second and third level due items

 
Hello---
 
I was working around with Shadow Plan and wondered if there is a way to
show second or third level "to due" items in a flat screen without their
parents. I am using a modified Covey plan that has numerous folders.
 
Thank you in advance.
 
Jeff
 
----------------------------
Jeffrey M. Cox
e-mail: jcox@n...
 
 


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4735

From: Jeffrey M. Cox  <jcox@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:57am
Subject: Confusion on target date

 
Hello---
 
You probably can tell I am a relatively new user. I have a question
about the target date. When I chose "no date" it does not record this
option. When I chose this option, all I get is "not set." I am using a
Handspring Visor with Palm OS 3.5. I can not effectively filter with
this problem.
 
Thanks!
 
Jeff
 
----------------------------
Jeffrey M. Cox
e-mail: jcox@n...
 
. 


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4736

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 2:45am
Subject: Re: HELP!

 
Jeff:
Resent with this group in case you don't check the desktop mail as often...please help a.s.a.p. if possible, as i really need this work i did.
Just spent LOTS of time today creating a new file on the desktop.  After
syncing, it didn't show up on my pda, and then when tried to open the file
back up later on the desktop got the message...
"Error!
Could not open file.  Perhaps found not yet supported international
characters?  (Maybe not well-formed (invalid token) at line268)"

Any ideas what happened and how I can get the file to open.  Thanks.

Kevin




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4737

From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:02am
Subject: Re: Possible??(Someone Suggestons)

 
Message: 7
   Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:50:36 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Someone ssuggestions


             I'm feeling masochistic. This just interesting, so I am
forwarding
it. But don't get any ideas out of it :P

<snip>
Ultimately, this would allow us to use Shadow as our todo ap, but still use
DateBk4 and other such aps to view real time todo data directly from the
todo database.

Don't take this out of context, Shadow is the 2nd most useful ap on my HH,
and that's only because I use DateBk4 to maintain my calendar AND todo's
(despite it's limitations). I just think this would be a powerful and
popular attribute that would help many,<snip>

I like this idea. I keep trying for ways to plan and work my todo's in
Shadow Plan, and action them in Datebk4 as the day goes by. Inevitably,
though it is much easier and quicker to enter todo's in Datebk 4, but then
I feel like I am planning around 2 different input devices....Datekbk4 and
shadowplan. I though I could use Actioneer or SmartInput to quickly creates
todo's in a category called inbox, then import all todo's into Shadow from
the Todo. It would be great to be able to *easily* build the todo's in
Shadow, or though something like SmartInput, into a category of shadow
called inbox.
jeff
4738

From: systmilget  <pilpal2001@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:19am
Subject: Fatal Error

 
Palm M515
Palm OS 4.1
Shadow V2.0

Recently I started having trouble accessing Shadow.  The problem 
happens when I launch shadow and get the message re: broken links.  
If I choose "OK" or "Delete links" the handheld gives me a Fatal 
Error message and I have to do a soft reset.  In either case, I am 
unable to launch Shadow.  I've only had my new Palm for a few days.  
I have many links in Datebk4 and had just checked off some of these 
as "done" in the Datebk4 application when I tried to switch to Shadow.

I did a hot sync tonight and still have the same problem.  Any ideas?

Thanks!
4739

From: docnighthawk  <peter.grierson@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:34am
Subject: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...> wrote:
> 
> > 	However, not sure which I'll do first of 3/4 and 2..
> >
> > 		jeff
> 
> 
> As a HE user, I can live with 3/4 before 2. Just please don't move 
2 down
> below 5!
> 
> ...Sam

Amen!

Peter R.

"All Accounting is creative."
4740

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:29am
Subject: Re: Fonts and Fonthack for newbies

 
Where you will see the smaller symbols are the up/down scrolll arrows and
check boxes in preference screens.  The custom widgets Jeff created -- check
boxes in List View, progress bars, note icons, expand/collapse arrows, etc.
(just about every graphic object you see in List View) -- will not be
smaller because they're not part of the Symbol fonts.

Hope this helps.

Ling
----- Original Message -----
From: "awd3034" <awd3034@y...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Fonts and Fonthack for newbies


> I am having trouble with fonthack--downloaded the lubak fonts,
> INCLUDING all the symbol fonts, and installed them just as Lubak
> mapped them on his website.  Shadow textlooks great, except that
> progress bars, arrows, etc are too big.  I confirmed in Fonthack that
> the symbols are installed just as suggested on the Lubak website, but
> no luck.  Anybody else encountered this?
>
> AWD
4741

From: Franz-Josef Knelangen  <fjk@k...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:13am
Subject: ToDo-Integration

 
Hi Jeff, hi ShadowPlanners,

just played around with the custom view - *wow* - esp. the tiny "T".

What I miss (in DateBk4) is that I don't see to which project the ToDo
belongs. How about an automatic numbering of all shadow files (you could use
these also to mark your paper documents belonging to that project) and an
entry in form of "<proj.number>: <ToDo description>" in the calendar app.
And to make this even more usable, a tap on the number would display the
appr. shadow filename.

What do you think?

Since I am a Shadow newbie it could be that this already exists. If so, it
would be nice if s.o. puts me in the right direction ...

MfG,

FJK
---------------------------------------
"God is real - until declared integer."
(Unknown, probably FORTRAN Programmer)
---------------------------------------
4742

From: Ray Drew  <ray_drew@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:27am
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
Jeff wrote:
<<<
      Lazy :) "Dev-Plan" on the website..

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/bugtrack.html

      However, not sure which I'll do first of 3/4 and 2..

            jeff
>>>


4 please :-)


BTW weighted tasks don't appear on the list, are they still on the back burner?

WRT to desktops I have the desktop (Windows) but never use it, I prefer to use the palm in its cradle.

Regards,

Ray


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4743

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:32pm
Subject: RE: ToDo-Integration

 
Go to Preferences and check "Append origin to todo note". Then link a todo,
go to it in datebk4, and look at the attached note. Your prayers answered.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Franz-Josef Knelangen [mailto:fjk@k...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:13 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] ToDo-Integration
>
>
> Hi Jeff, hi ShadowPlanners,
>
> just played around with the custom view - *wow* - esp. the tiny "T".
>
> What I miss (in DateBk4) is that I don't see to which project the ToDo
> belongs. How about an automatic numbering of all shadow files
> (you could use
> these also to mark your paper documents belonging to that project) and an
> entry in form of "<proj.number>: <ToDo description>" in the calendar app.
> And to make this even more usable, a tap on the number would display the
> appr. shadow filename.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Since I am a Shadow newbie it could be that this already exists. If so, it
> would be nice if s.o. puts me in the right direction ...
>
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4744

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: Re: Fonts and Fonthack for newbies

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, awd3034 wrote:

> I am having trouble with fonthack--downloaded the lubak fonts,
> INCLUDING all the symbol fonts, and installed them just as Lubak
> mapped them on his website.  Shadow textlooks great, except that
> progress bars, arrows, etc are too big.  I confirmed in Fonthack that
> the symbols are installed just as suggested on the Lubak website, but
> no luck.  Anybody else encountered this?

	This is actually a complex topic so bear with me; Shadow has a lot
of icons, and keeps two copies of them all -- black/white and colour
versions. I will soon also have Sony-highres versions, and Handera-highres
versions (colour and b/w).. unless I can avoid that. But as you can see,
I've already got 2-10 sets of icons, just to keep it looking good at once
aspect ratio. As such, its impractical for me to include extra sizes of
icons for the million font combinations people may use.. we'd be
multiplying the above icon count by the number of font sizes I expect
people to use...

	I will be adjusting the spacing of the icons a little, perhaps, to
make them fit a little better.. but theres not too much I can do withotu
slowing things down or the like.

	Using bigger fonts is easy. Using smaller fonts, to cram more,
causes icon clipping.. 

	Mind you, using "mixed resolution mode" gets you tiny icons, and
then you can use a large fontbucket font (not pretty, but lots of
crammage), or you can perhaps use some tricky font bucket/fonthack combo
to get lubak fonts, in mixed resolution mode.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4745

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: Re: Feature request: support for Datebk 4 floating appointments

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Jeffrey M. Cox wrote:

> Please forgive me if this item was hacked to death at some point in the
> past.
>  
> Will there be support for Dakebk 4 floating events. I would like to have
> a floating event be able to be created in Shadow Plan.

	At this time I try to avoid doing too many things to support
specific programs -- theres a lot to do that benefits everyone, so doing a
lot of time for just a subgroup of people usually gets me into hot water
;) I do expect to do lots of DB4 and Action Names extensions, but right
now I'm working on finishing off things that've been long outstanding.

	That said, theres nothing stopping you from setting DB4 as your
Datebook in Shadow, and setting "Return after goto" in the Global Prefs,
and then you can link a Shadow item to Datebook, do a goto, set it to
floating in DB4, and then return to Shadow, and it should be a pretty
quick experience.

	Any DB4 users with advice? (I use Action Names myself)

		jeff

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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4746

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:33pm
Subject: Re: feature request: [filter] show second and third level due items

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Jeffrey M. Cox wrote:

> I was working around with Shadow Plan and wondered if there is a way to
> show second or third level "to due" items in a flat screen without their
> parents. I am using a modified Covey plan that has numerous folders.

	Several things:

	Normally, one cannot, since the children often have no meaning or
context without their parents. ie: If you have two parents named after two
projects, and each has a child "Buy supplies", then you need parents to
see what the items mean. As such, I've never really supported a "show me
the children" type of option.. Also consider: Show you level 3? What if
an item only has a level 2 item, do I show you only level 3's, or level 2
and 3's? Does depth matter? Context does.. but depth often does to.

	However, do you just have a screen width issue? You can use
"Zoom" to sneak into a sublevel without having to expand it. For
instance, you can zoom into an item that is 5 levels deep, and then it
becomes the "root" of your viewable list.. so that you can only see its
children items. This lets you avoid the clutter of the whole list, and
lets you have everythign at a nice left justification on the screen. You
can use a font too, to give you more text on screen.

	Additionally, you can link many of your deeper items to ToDo or
Datebook, and then flip to that program to see a flattened list of all the
linked items. Since there are many Shadow lists, yet one ToDo, if you link
various important items from your Shadow lists into the ToDo, you'll see a
flat list of all linked items. Very handy for some people.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4747

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:45pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Error

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, systmilget wrote:

> Recently I started having trouble accessing Shadow.  The problem
> happens when I launch shadow and get the message re: broken links.  
> If I choose "OK" or "Delete links" the handheld gives me a Fatal Error
> message and I have to do a soft reset.  In either case, I am unable to
> launch Shadow.  I've only had my new Palm for a few days.  I have many
> links in Datebk4 and had just checked off some of these as "done" in
> the Datebk4 application when I tried to switch to Shadow.

	OKay, so more specifically.. you must have DB4 set to delete todos
once you check them (?) so that they vanish and Shadow detects them as
"broken links" since they are now gone. You must also have left Shadow
while viewing a file that co9ntains these links, so that when you open
Shadow its trying to pull up that file.

	So in theory, you're getting a big full screen dialog saying that
you can Sever All Links if you want, or just hit OK.

	If Severing is a problem (it shoudln't be!), then hitting OK
shoudl get you into Shadow, in that file.

	Do you have any Hacks installed and operating? Hacks can interfere
with normal operations in strange ways, and this sounds like one of those
oddities..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4748

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:34pm
Subject: Re: Confusion on target date

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Jeffrey M. Cox wrote:

> You probably can tell I am a relatively new user. I have a question
> about the target date. When I chose "no date" it does not record this
> option. When I chose this option, all I get is "not set." I am using a
> Handspring Visor with Palm OS 3.5. I can not effectively filter with
> this problem.

	I'll be adding a customizable filter system very soon (going into
testing in the next couple weeks) where you can assemble your own filters
to your own needs. If the current round of filters don't do it for you,
that definitely will :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4749

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: Re: HELP!

 
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> Resent with this group in case you don't check the desktop mail as

	I check all the groups far too often ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4750

From: geoffthieme  <geoffthieme@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:57pm
Subject: Best Small Font Look

 
The best small font look I've found is to use the Lubak SansSerif18 
fonts with Fonthack 123. The first time I tried installing them I had 
problems, once I correctly followed the instructions on 
http://www.domino.sk/lubak/ everything worked great.

I don't use the Lubak Symbols16 font. It caused some problems in 
Shadow, Actions Names, or both (I don't remember which one).

I tried using SansSerif16, but 16 did not work correctly in Shadow. 
While 18 is not quite as small as I thought I wanted, I've found the 
size to work well. My eyes do not get tired from looking at too small 
of fonts, but its small enough to fit a lot more words.

The Lubak fonts don't work with Shadow's "mixed resolution mode" 
turned on, so I don't use Mixed resolution mode on my hi-res CLIE. 
Shadow may actually be using the smaller SansSerif18(0) font. If it 
is, its too small to look at. I can barly read the words.
I've learned to live w/out the blue/purple Ledger-Style coloring (Col-
bg) available with my CLIE in mixed resolution mode. Besides I don't 
like the purple color, blue would look nicer (even if its harder 
notice). The good news is that turning the Col-bg option on no longer 
crashes my CLIE (in regular mode).

I also use Action Names regularly. I have the Lubak SansSerif18 fonts 
setup for that program as well. I can't tell if the fonts apply for 
the hi-res large fonts I use in the daily view. One thing is for 
sure, the fonts in the daily view are smaller than the regular Lubak 
SansSerif18 fonts used by the rest of the program (like the todo 
details).

A nice after effect of using the Lubak fonts is that calling LTH's 
scriptPad from Shadow or AN causes small fonts to be used for script 
editing.

I tried using the Lubak SansSerif18 fonts in Datebk 4, but I had too 
many problems. I have the fonts enabled on a per-program bases 
because some programs are more compatible than others.
4751

From: geoffthieme  <geoffthieme@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: New from take sibling's view & Filtered scroll bug

 
Will the "New items take sibling's view" setting ever apply for items 
added using "New From ..."? This is important to me because I have 
Note as my list type, but I almost always add Custom items to the 
list. The reason I use a Note list type (vs Custom) is because I gain 
a couple extra chars of space in the left column of the screen.

When will the filtered scroll bug be fixed? It affects keyboard 
up/down arrows and Sony jog-dial scroll while a filter has been 
applied.

Thanks,
Geoff

P.S. Thanks again for adding the "Items linked to ToDo/DB" filter. I 
use it every day!
4752

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, geoffthieme wrote:

> The Lubak fonts don't work with Shadow's "mixed resolution mode" 
> turned on, so I don't use Mixed resolution mode on my hi-res CLIE. 

	I've thought maybe they could work; go to Mixed Res Mode, then
Reset your fonts to use the defaults, and then replace the low res
standard fonts with Lubaks high res fonts.. I wonder what happens :)

> Shadow may actually be using the smaller SansSerif18(0) font. If it 
> is, its too small to look at. I can barly read the words.
> I've learned to live w/out the blue/purple Ledger-Style coloring (Col-
> bg) available with my CLIE in mixed resolution mode. Besides I don't 
> like the purple color, blue would look nicer (even if its harder 
> notice). The good news is that turning the Col-bg option on no longer 
> crashes my CLIE (in regular mode).

	I ignore the col-bg setting if high res assist is activated, as
HRA will crash (Sonys bad). For misxed res mode, on Sony, I use amore
purple colour because the blue doesn't show up at all (due to the
frontlight washing it out). Blue is still used on other units
(backlit) since it shows up nicely on them.

> I tried using the Lubak SansSerif18 fonts in Datebk 4, but I had too
> many problems. I have the fonts enabled on a per-program bases because
> some programs are more compatible than others.

	For sure.

	I use mixed resolution mode, with font bucket (but no font bucket
fonts). FB lets me set the "big" low res fonts which work well for me (see
the Reference Guide examples). I'm amazed Palm's built in font selector
doesn't let you pick normal and bold big font.. just the normal one :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4753

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Re: ToDo-Integration

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Franz-Josef Knelangen wrote:

> Hi Jeff, hi ShadowPlanners,

	Howdi :)

> just played around with the custom view - *wow* - esp. the tiny "T".
> 
> What I miss (in DateBk4) is that I don't see to which project the ToDo
> belongs. How about an automatic numbering of all shadow files (you could use
> these also to mark your paper documents belonging to that project) and an
> entry in form of "<proj.number>: <ToDo description>" in the calendar app.
> And to make this even more usable, a tap on the number would display the
> appr. shadow filename.
> 
> What do you think?

	There is an option to let you turn on "origin stamping", so that
linked ToDos will have an attached note identifying which list and which
parents own the item in question. See the global preferences, Link
Preferences panel.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4754

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Ray Drew wrote:

> BTW weighted tasks don't appear on the list, are they still on the
> back burner?

	They're on the "remind me and I'll build them" list ;) The things
on the list are important to many people, and longer outstanding. I'm on a
mission to get things in which are outstanding, bugfixes, or easily done.

> WRT to desktops I have the desktop (Windows) but never use it, I
> prefer to use the palm in its cradle.

	Ditto.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4755

From: gisbert.muehle-sorg@t...
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Re: Version 2.2 - Desktop / Printing German language

 
Hi Jeff, have tried the version and still face the same issue. It looks OK on handheld as well as on Desktop but page preview as well as printout doesn't use the right character set... Anything you could do to help me out as I need print function on desktop (main reason why I purchased the desktop). Let me know if there is something I need to do or if it is something you need to change.

Thanks in advance and cheers/Gisbert
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gisbert Muehle-Sorg 
  To: shadow-discuss@egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:51 PM
  Subject: Beta2.0.9 Desktop / Printing German language


  Jeff, have tried the new version and it properly opens now files using german character set. View is fine on desktop but when printing I get funny characters for the German Umlaute (a, o, u with double dots). Any idea if I need to change something or something you still need to fix?

  Cheers/Gisbert


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4756

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:57pm
Subject: Re: New from take sibling's view & Filtered scroll bug

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, geoffthieme wrote:

> Will the "New items take sibling's view" setting ever apply for items
> added using "New From ..."? This is important to me because I have
> Note as my list type, but I almost always add Custom items to the
> list. The reason I use a Note list type (vs Custom) is because I gain
> a couple extra chars of space in the left column of the screen.

	Good call. I'll note it down.

> When will the filtered scroll bug be fixed? It affects keyboard
> up/down arrows and Sony jog-dial scroll while a filter has been
> applied.

	Not for a bit. I'm dieing under the weight of email and other
things right now :) (I tihnk I hit 400 emails so far today.. I need to do
somethign about this :/)

> P.S. Thanks again for adding the "Items linked to ToDo/DB" filter. I
> use it every day!

	Glad to help out :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4757

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:13pm
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
Lubak's fonts do work in Shadow's mixed resolution.

If you want to use the native high resolution fonts for Shadow, you need to reassign fonts to native fonts in hack configuration. 
--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 03/19/2002


On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:45:26 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>The Lubak fonts don't work with Shadow's "mixed resolution mode"
>>turned on, so I don't use Mixed resolution mode on my hi-res CLIE.
>
>I've thought maybe they could work; go to Mixed Res Mode, then Reset
>your fonts to use the defaults, and then replace the low res
>standard fonts with Lubaks high res fonts.. I wonder what happens :)
4758

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: Version 2.2 - Desktop / Printing German language

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 gisbert.muehle-sorg@t... wrote:

> Hi Jeff, have tried the version and still face the same issue. It
> looks OK on handheld as well as on Desktop but page preview as well as
> printout doesn't use the right character set... Anything you could do
> to help me out as I need print function on desktop (main reason why I
> purchased the desktop). Let me know if there is something I need to do
> or if it is something you need to change.

	This issue wasn't addressed in 2.2.

	Open the file on the desktop, and then do a "save as" and change
the filename to .htm and change the file type to HTML. Then you should be
able to open the file in Internet Explorer and print it there (I think),
or MSWord (from the HTML), etc.

	Let me know how it goes.

		jeff

> 
> Thanks in advance and cheers/Gisbert
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Gisbert Muehle-Sorg 
>   To: shadow-discuss@egroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:51 PM
>   Subject: Beta2.0.9 Desktop / Printing German language
> 
> 
>   Jeff, have tried the new version and it properly opens now files using german character set. View is fine on desktop but when printing I get funny characters for the German Umlaute (a, o, u with double dots). Any idea if I need to change something or something you still need to fix?
> 
>   Cheers/Gisbert
> 
> 
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> 
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4759

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:00pm
Subject: Opening in mini-edit looses format

 
If you have a level of items that use a format such as bullet,  if you 
double tap on one of them to open in mini-edit, then save by hitting the 
checkmark, it looses the bullet for that item.  Opening and editing in the 
full edit dialog does not have this problem.



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4760

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Opening in mini-edit looses format

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> If you have a level of items that use a format such as bullet,  if you 
> double tap on one of them to open in mini-edit, then save by hitting the 
> checkmark, it looses the bullet for that item.  Opening and editing in the 
> full edit dialog does not have this problem.

	Known issue..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4761

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: ToDo replacement, (was Someone ssuggestions)

 
Jeff,

I have come up with a very reasonable (for me any way) use of Shadow as my
main entry point for both ToDo's and appointments. I set up a cutom list
called "@ In-Box" where the custom item type shows item text, ToDo
checkbox, and link manager arrow. I have it set up to always create items
as ToDo's, and have the default ToDo category set to "@In-Box".

Now as things come up, I just enter them in my @ In-Box list. Then daily,
or there abouts, I go to ToDoPlus, look at my @In-Box and change to the
aprrporiate category, date, priority, etc. I also like to make tasks
appointments sometimes (I go way back with the Covey system, so I can just
deselect the ToDo checkbox, click on link manager, and create the datebook
link. Then on the appropiate day, I go to the new untimed apptmnt and
change it to the time I want.

Then if my @ In-Box starts to get too full I deselect the "delete item
deletes link" feature and clear out what I don't want, knowing that they
are safely in the other apps. Of course other items are just moved to their
appropiate project lists. For those using David Allen's Getting things done
approach, this seems like a very good way for managing your electronic
in-box.

Shadow HH is such a wonderful multi-purpose tool, I am using it for
outliner, project planner, list manager, and note taker now. In my opinion,
it has evolved into THE killer Palm app. Thanks Jeff. Any timetable on when
the desktop will start to catch up?

Scott
4762

From: Dave P  <dave_p_1@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Feature request: support for Datebk 4 floating appointments

 
I second this.  I have begun using floating events in place of todos and it
would be great if I could generate them directly from Shadow.

Dave

--- "Jeffrey M. Cox" <jcox@n...> wrote:
> Hello---
>  
> Please forgive me if this item was hacked to death at some point in the
> past.
>  
> Will there be support for Dakebk 4 floating events. I would like to have
> a floating event be able to be created in Shadow Plan.
>  
> Jeff
>  
> ----------------------------
> Jeffrey M. Cox
> e-mail: jcox@n...
>  
>  
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 


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4763

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:12pm
Subject: Re: ToDo replacement, (was Someone ssuggestions)

 
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 smasters@a... wrote:

> Shadow HH is such a wonderful multi-purpose tool, I am using it for
> outliner, project planner, list manager, and note taker now. In my opinion,
> it has evolved into THE killer Palm app. Thanks Jeff. Any timetable on when
> the desktop will start to catch up?

	Once I finish off some other things, like tags :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4764

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: Feature request: support for Datebk 4 floating appointments

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Jeffrey M. Cox wrote:
> 
> > Please forgive me if this item was hacked to death at some point
in the
> > past.
> >  
> > Will there be support for Dakebk 4 floating events. I would like
to have
> > a floating event be able to be created in Shadow Plan.
> 
> 	At this time I try to avoid doing too many things to support
> specific programs -- theres a lot to do that benefits everyone, so
doing a
> lot of time for just a subgroup of people usually gets me into hot
water
> ;) I do expect to do lots of DB4 and Action Names extensions, but
right
> now I'm working on finishing off things that've been long
outstanding.
> 
> 	That said, theres nothing stopping you from setting DB4 as your
> Datebook in Shadow, and setting "Return after goto" in the Global
Prefs,
> and then you can link a Shadow item to Datebook, do a goto, set it
to
> floating in DB4, and then return to Shadow, and it should be a
pretty
> quick experience.
> 
> 	Any DB4 users with advice? (I use Action Names myself)
> 
> 		jeff
> 

I have to agree with Jeff here.  First, it'll be floats, then it'll be
repeats, then icons...  (I'd like a mini-DBK4 ToDo screen in Shadow
myself :) )

I think setting the "Return after Goto" makes this almost seemless the
way it is now.  I always jump out to DBK4 after making an Appt or a
ToDo, there are just too many things I want to set to expect Jeff to
start poking and proding at DB4 features.

- Jeff, personal note - You ought to try DBK4 for about a month, it
has so many more features than AN.  I tried AN for about that much
time, then registered DBK4.  Yeah, I know its got a big learning
curve, but once you get comfortable... wow!  The "curse words" at the
top of every note don't bother you once you see what they do for
you... :)

Ken
4765

From: sorgbg  <gisbert.muehle-sorg@t...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Version 2.2 - Desktop / Printing German language

 
Jeff, solution doesn't work... neither on explorer nor on word. Both 
programs come up with the same picture as on shadow-desktop.

Will wait until incorporated in one of the next bug fixes,
regards/Gisbert


> 
> 	This issue wasn't addressed in 2.2.
> 
> 	Open the file on the desktop, and then do a "save as" and 
change
> the filename to .htm and change the file type to HTML. Then you 
should be
> able to open the file in Internet Explorer and print it there (I 
think),
> or MSWord (from the HTML), etc.
> 
> 	Let me know how it goes.
> 
> 		jeff
4766

From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Dev Plan

 
Jeff wrote:
<<<
      Lazy :) "Dev-Plan" on the website..

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/bugtrack.html

      However, not sure which I'll do first of 3/4 and 2..
>>>>>>>>>

So nice to see that Toggle Word Wrap!.. :o)
jeff
4767

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
I would definitely push for moving up the desktop feature enhancement (such as columns) before you delve into other desktop versions.  

Right now, Shadow tops in Palm version, but Bonsai desktop is "so much better."

--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 3/20/2002


On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:29:56 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Ray Drew wrote:
>
>>BTW weighted tasks don't appear on the list, are they still on the
>>back burner?
>
>They're on the "remind me and I'll build them" list ;) The things
>on the list are important to many people, and longer outstanding.
>I'm on a mission to get things in which are outstanding, bugfixes,
>or easily done.
>
>>WRT to desktops I have the desktop (Windows) but never use it, I
>>prefer to use the palm in its cradle.
>
>Ditto.
>
>jeff
>
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4768

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote:

> I would definitely push for moving up the desktop feature enhancement
> (such as columns) before you delve into other desktop versions.

	But you're using Windows, so your'e biased ;)

> Right now, Shadow tops in Palm version, but Bonsai desktop is "so much
> better."

	Yep. I have no problem with sharing the #1 position.. we kill them
on the handheld, they beat us on the desktop. Our desktop will be getting
better, so they better improve their handheld side (I should go take a
peek; I know they keep tabs on me, since the're competitive like that)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4769

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 3:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
Yes, I'm using Windows.  Even though I would love to use other OS, I'm locked into it.  As you can see, I'm not a MS fan, however.

Last time I checked though, there are many people like me.

--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 3/20/2002


On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:43:08 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>But you're using Windows, so your'e biased ;)
>
4770

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: Updated dev plan page..

 
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote:

> Yes, I'm using Windows.  Even though I would love to use other OS, I'm
> locked into it.  As you can see, I'm not a MS fan, however.
> 
> Last time I checked though, there are many people like me.

	hehe. But the Mac crowds are passionate; I got probably 30 emails
yesterday about OSX :P

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4771

From: Ray Drew  <ray_drew@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Feature request: support for Datebk 4 floating appointments

 
Ken wrote:
<<<
- Jeff, personal note - You ought to try DBK4 for about a month, it
has so many more features than AN.  I tried AN for about that much
time, then registered DBK4.  Yeah, I know its got a big learning
curve, but once you get comfortable... wow!  The "curse words" at the
top of every note don't bother you once you see what they do for
you... :)
>>>

Totally agree. My experience almost exactly. I even registered ActionNames but kept coming back to DBk4. Finally I got a refund from ActionNames (they do a 30 day money back guarantee, which they honoured without question) registered DBk4 - never regretted it. 

Ray


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4772

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:04pm
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
Kenneth Rhee wrote:

Lubak's fonts do work in Shadow's mixed resolution.

If you want to use the native high resolution fonts for Shadow, you need to
reassign fonts to native fonts in hack configuration.


Kenneth,

Could you tell us how you set up fonthack to work in mixed-res mode? I
tried just setting the normal fonts to use the Lubak hi-res fonts but I got
garbage under each line in the display. What did I do wrong? Thanks.

Scott
4773

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
Here is the step.

You would want to set this up for all your programs

Application:  All
Standard: Sansserif 18(0) you can use other fonts but makes sure you use the one with (0)
Bold:  Sansserif 18B(0)
Symbol:  Symbol16(0)
Symbol11:  Symbol 16(1)
Symbol7:  Symbol 16(2)
Hrstandard:  Sansserif18(1)  Again other fonts with (1)
HrBold:  Sansserif18B(1)
Hrsymbol:  symbol16(3)
Hrsymbol11: symbol16(4)
Hrsymbol12:  symbol16(5)

Using Lubak's symbol fonts will make symbols to appear proportional to other Lubak's fonts.

This will make Shadow and any other programs to display Lubak's fonts.

Now for Shadow (if you want native Clie resolution) while fonthack is active.
Go back and select Shadow, and then reset all these settings to prior settings manually (such as Standard, Bold, etc.)
--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 3/20/2002


On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:04:49 -0600, smasters@a... wrote:
>
>Kenneth Rhee wrote:
>
>Lubak's fonts do work in Shadow's mixed resolution.
>
>If you want to use the native high resolution fonts for Shadow, you
>need to reassign fonts to native fonts in hack configuration.
>
>
>Kenneth,
>
>Could you tell us how you set up fonthack to work in mixed-res mode?
>I tried just setting the normal fonts to use the Lubak hi-res fonts
>but I got garbage under each line in the display. What did I do
>wrong? Thanks.
>
>Scott
>
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4774

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Feature request: support for Datebk 4 floating appointments

 
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Ray Drew wrote:

> Totally agree. My experience almost exactly. I even registered
> ActionNames but kept coming back to DBk4. Finally I got a refund from
> ActionNames (they do a 30 day money back guarantee, which they
> honoured without question) registered DBk4 - never regretted it.

	Naaw; I'm not a typical user .. I've built most of the tools I
needed (ie: Shadow :), and for a datebook all I wanted was a better week
view than the built ins. Action Names week view is prettier than DB4. I
dont' use any of eithers advanced features :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4775

From: awd3034  <awd3034@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Fonts and Fonthack for newbies

 
Ling, thanks very much.  That info clears this up.

AWD


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Russ & Ling" <rnlnero@y...> wrote:
> Where you will see the smaller symbols are the up/down scrolll 
arrows and
> check boxes in preference screens.  The custom widgets Jeff 
created -- check
> boxes in List View, progress bars, note icons, expand/collapse 
arrows, etc.
> (just about every graphic object you see in List View) -- will not 
be
> smaller because they're not part of the Symbol fonts.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Ling
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "awd3034" <awd3034@y...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:30 AM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Fonts and Fonthack for newbies
> 
> 
> > I am having trouble with fonthack--downloaded the lubak fonts,
> > INCLUDING all the symbol fonts, and installed them just as Lubak
> > mapped them on his website.  Shadow textlooks great, except that
> > progress bars, arrows, etc are too big.  I confirmed in Fonthack 
that
> > the symbols are installed just as suggested on the Lubak website, 
but
> > no luck.  Anybody else encountered this?
> >
> > AWD
4776

From: awd3034  <awd3034@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:47pm
Subject: Re: Fonts and Fonthack for newbies

 
Jeff, thank you for your help--now I understand the issue and what 
the resolution can be.  "Icon clipping" huh--I love these computer 
phrases :)
A

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, awd3034 wrote:
> 
> > I am having trouble with fonthack--downloaded the lubak fonts,
> > INCLUDING all the symbol fonts, and installed them just as Lubak
> > mapped them on his website.  Shadow textlooks great, except that
> > progress bars, arrows, etc are too big.  I confirmed in Fonthack 
that
> > the symbols are installed just as suggested on the Lubak website, 
but
> > no luck.  Anybody else encountered this?
> 
> 	This is actually a complex topic so bear with me; Shadow has 
a lot
> of icons, and keeps two copies of them all -- black/white and colour
> versions. I will soon also have Sony-highres versions, and Handera-
highres
> versions (colour and b/w).. unless I can avoid that. But as you can 
see,
> I've already got 2-10 sets of icons, just to keep it looking good 
at once
> aspect ratio. As such, its impractical for me to include extra 
sizes of
> icons for the million font combinations people may use.. we'd be
> multiplying the above icon count by the number of font sizes I 
expect
> people to use...
> 
> 	I will be adjusting the spacing of the icons a little, 
perhaps, to
> make them fit a little better.. but theres not too much I can do 
withotu
> slowing things down or the like.
> 
> 	Using bigger fonts is easy. Using smaller fonts, to cram more,
> causes icon clipping.. 
> 
> 	Mind you, using "mixed resolution mode" gets you tiny icons, 
and
> then you can use a large fontbucket font (not pretty, but lots of
> crammage), or you can perhaps use some tricky font bucket/fonthack 
combo
> to get lubak fonts, in mixed resolution mode.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4777

From: radleyp2000  <pradley@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:53pm
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
Where do you get the Lubak fonts? Does the set include the Symbol 
fonts you mention? Thanks for your help. PDR--- In 
shadow-discuss@y..., "Kenneth S. Rhee" <polymath@m...> wrote:
> Here is the step.
> 
> You would want to set this up for all your programs
> 
> Application:  All
> Standard: Sansserif 18(0) you can use other fonts but makes sure you 
use the one with (0)
> Bold:  Sansserif 18B(0)
> Symbol:  Symbol16(0)
> Symbol11:  Symbol 16(1)
> Symbol7:  Symbol 16(2)
> Hrstandard:  Sansserif18(1)  Again other fonts with (1)
> HrBold:  Sansserif18B(1)
> Hrsymbol:  symbol16(3)
> Hrsymbol11: symbol16(4)
> Hrsymbol12:  symbol16(5)
> 
> Using Lubak's symbol fonts will make symbols to appear proportional 
to other Lubak's fonts.
> 
> This will make Shadow and any other programs to display Lubak's 
fonts.
> 
> Now for Shadow (if you want native Clie resolution) while fonthack 
is active.
> Go back and select Shadow, and then reset all these settings to 
prior settings manually (such as Standard, Bold, etc.)
> --
>  Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 3/20/2002
> 
> 
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:04:49 -0600, smasters@a... wrote:
> >
> >Kenneth Rhee wrote:
> >
> >Lubak's fonts do work in Shadow's mixed resolution.
> >
> >If you want to use the native high resolution fonts for Shadow, you
> >need to reassign fonts to native fonts in hack configuration.
> >
> >
> >Kenneth,
> >
> >Could you tell us how you set up fonthack to work in mixed-res 
mode?
> >I tried just setting the normal fonts to use the Lubak hi-res fonts
> >but I got garbage under each line in the display. What did I do
> >wrong? Thanks.
> >
> >Scott
> >
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4778

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
Try  http://www.domino.sk/lubak/

--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 3/20/2002


On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:53:29 -0000, radleyp2000 wrote:
>Where do you get the Lubak fonts? Does the set include the Symbol
>fonts you mention? Thanks for your help. PDR--- In shadow
>-discuss@y..., "Kenneth S. Rhee" <polymath@m...>wrote:
>>Here is the step.
>>
>>You would want to set this up for all your programs
>>
>>Application: All Standard: Sansserif 18(0) you can use other fonts
>>but makes sure you
>use the one with (0)
>>Bold: Sansserif 18B(0)
>>Symbol: Symbol16(0)
>>Symbol11: Symbol 16(1)
>>Symbol7: Symbol 16(2)
>>Hrstandard: Sansserif18(1) Again other fonts with (1)
>>HrBold: Sansserif18B(1)
>>Hrsymbol: symbol16(3)
>>Hrsymbol11: symbol16(4)
>>Hrsymbol12: symbol16(5)
>>
>>Using Lubak's symbol fonts will make symbols to appear proportional
>>
>to other Lubak's fonts.
>>
>>This will make Shadow and any other programs to display Lubak's
>fonts.
>>
>>Now for Shadow (if you want native Clie resolution) while fonthack
>is active.
>>Go back and select Shadow, and then reset all these settings to
>prior settings manually (such as Standard, Bold, etc.)
>>--
>>Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 3/20/2002
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:04:49 -0600, smasters@a... wrote:
>>>
>>>Kenneth Rhee wrote:
>>>
>>>Lubak's fonts do work in Shadow's mixed resolution.
>>>
>>>If you want to use the native high resolution fonts for Shadow,
>>>you need to reassign fonts to native fonts in hack configuration.
>>>
>>>
>>>Kenneth,
>>>
>>>Could you tell us how you set up fonthack to work in mixed-res
>mode?
>>>I tried just setting the normal fonts to use the Lubak hi-res
>>>fonts but I got garbage under each line in the display. What did I
>>>do wrong? Thanks.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
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4779

From: Wayne_Boxall  <boxall@p...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:25am
Subject: VFS support doesn't work!

 
I have been using MSMOUNT for somethime to store my Shadow files on a 
MMC card with success, but with 2.2 I decided to use the Shadow 
inbuilt support.

I see Move to card and Copy to card options, but both of them do 
nothing at all. 

Anyone got this working? I have a 505 with a 32Mb MMC card.

Cheers
4780

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:26am
Subject: Re: Version 2.2 - Desktop / Printing German language

 
I hope this bug fix will get some priority. I have recently purchased 
Shadow Desktop to create "live" project progress reports for my 
managers. For this I need the XML file because I tie it to an XSL 
file to obtain the desired layout. Having all these odd characters in 
my reports has raised some questions so far and makes the reports 
look somewhat unprofessional.

Looking forward to the next desktop release. :)

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "sorgbg" <gisbert.muehle-sorg@t...> wrote:
> Jeff, solution doesn't work... neither on explorer nor on word.
> Both programs come up with the same picture as on shadow-desktop.
> 
> Will wait until incorporated in one of the next bug fixes,
> regards/Gisbert
> 
> 
> > 
> > 	This issue wasn't addressed in 2.2.
> > 
> > 	Open the file on the desktop, and then do a "save as" and 
> change
> > the filename to .htm and change the file type to HTML. Then you 
> should be
> > able to open the file in Internet Explorer and print it there (I 
> think),
> > or MSWord (from the HTML), etc.
> > 
> > 	Let me know how it goes.
> > 
> > 		jeff
4781

From: Wayne_Boxall  <boxall@p...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:34am
Subject: Re: VFS support doesn't work!

 
Got it working...for some reason it started after I looked at the 
card via Shadows category option.

But a file with "->" wouldn't move until I renamed it....weird.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Wayne_Boxall" <boxall@p...> wrote:
> I have been using MSMOUNT for somethime to store my Shadow files on 
a 
> MMC card with success, but with 2.2 I decided to use the Shadow 
> inbuilt support.
> 
> I see Move to card and Copy to card options, but both of them do 
> nothing at all. 
> 
> Anyone got this working? I have a 505 with a 32Mb MMC card.
> 
> Cheers
4782

From: carinas30  <doggyloo@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:11am
Subject: Desktop to palm

 
I opened a raw PDB file. Modified the file. and saved.

1) Do I save as PDB-handheld file, XML-desktop file or HTML file or 
all three?

2) How do I export the PDB file from the desktop to the hand held? I 
know I am supposed to double click on the file and then hot sync.

3)Managed to get the file over to the Handheld. The file seems big 
(so it seems to be the right one (8908). It won't let me open it. Now 
that I managed to open it, there is no data!

Please help me view my data!
4783

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:02am
Subject: Re: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
Has anyone found a way with Megawiki to link back from a todo to 
Shadow using the information shadow will optionally put in the note 
field of the todo?

Just a thought.
Gary
4784

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:42am
Subject: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

 
I am having situations where shadow address book linking slows down 
to a crawl. This will last for days, and every now and then it will 
speed back up to normal. I haven't been able to detect a pattern. Has 
anyone else seen this?

-- 
220, 221 ... whatever it takes
learned@t... on 03/20/2002
4785

From: chankwongtat  <chankwongtat@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:22am
Subject:

 
I am a registrated user of Shadow Plan + Desktop in Hong Kong. I 
bought this apps from palmgear last week. I am also a registrated 
user of Brainforest Pro and Bonsai. After trying these three 
softwares, I like the palm side software of Shadow Plan very much. It 
is a very good outliner and most suitable for me. But, I found that 
there is a great problem about the Desktop application of Shadow 
Plan. I must use Chinese characters for my work. I found that I had 
no problem to use Chinese characters with Brainforest Pro and Bonsai, 
including palm side and desktop apps. Although I read from the 
document that it said the desktop apps can support international 
language, I cannot sync the Chinese character to the Desktop apps. In 
palm side, I can use Chinese characters normally. But, all Chinese 
characters become a "square symbol" in the desktop apps after hot 
sync. Are there any Chinese User? Please give me some suggestion for 
solving this problem. 

My configuration:-

Shadow Plan 2.2
Shadow Plan Desktop 1.1
Chinese Microsoft Windows 98

If I cannot solve this problem, I should go back to Bonsai.
But, I really like Shadow Plan.

Thanks.
4786

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:23am
Subject: Repeats only

 
Jeff,

I'm working with 2.2.1 HH, with no use of the desktop since it isn't
much use...yet. (Just so you know this isn't some sync/damage related
issue)

I don't do much of this, since I'm usually the one scheduling the
meetings these days :) :(

I tried to "New From" a meeting scheduled for me.  The screen looks
great, all my ToDos are there.  I click on "Datebook" and nada,
nothing...  (Oh, if only it were true)...

OK, TEST time!

Main screen prefs:  Set default ToDo and Appt back to the builtins
TealMaster: Turn off all hacks
Sync
Enter Datebook (not DBK4), add an entry, delete an entry (just to make
it do something to the database)
Enter Shadow, open list 'Dummy' i have for just these occasions..
Open "New From"...again, nada
browse back and forth, it finds one, two maybe three in this month.

...pin in back

Repeat ritual with Datebook.
Repeat Shadow experience.
Now I'm determined. why only some?  what's in common?

After trolling back and forth several months, it hit me!

I'm only seeing the first occurrance of repeats!   Very strange!

I checked, these appointments have *nothing* else in common, I only
see repeats... and only the first occurrance of those!

This has *got* to be some sort of bug in SP!

Ken
4787

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:53am
Subject: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

 
Learned wrote:
> 
> 
> I am having situations where shadow address book linking slows down
> to a crawl. This will last for days, and every now and then it will
> speed back up to normal. I haven't been able to detect a pattern. Has
> anyone else seen this?
> 

What do you mean by *address book* linking? I only see ways to link a
Shadow entry to a File, a Todo, or a Datebook entry. How do you link it
with an Address Book entry?

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...
4788

From: Alys  <darth_alys@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:02am
Subject: Re: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:53PM -0600, Learned wrote:
> Has anyone found a way with Megawiki to link back from a todo to 
> Shadow using the information shadow will optionally put in the note 
> field of the todo?

I don't think it's possible to have a link created automatically
because of the "Shadow: " text that is inserted into the note field
before the name of the database; that text will stop the square
brackets from being usable as supertags (the fact that there's
three nested bracket pairs might stop that as well).

What you could do is put Shadow in MegaWiki's Plus panel, using
something other than [ or ] as tag(s), with "DB Name" selected,
"ShadP-" as the DB prefix, and "Coog" as the ID. Then when you are
looking at a ToDo item and you want to jump back to Shadow, use Linki
to insert the MegaWiki link characters around the database name (i.e.,
if the note contains [[[Shadow: Office]]], then you'd put tags around
"Office"). You could then tap on the database name to go into Shadow.
You'd be in the right Shadow file, but you wouldn't be directly on
the ToDo itself.

I don't know if editing the [[[Shadow: ...]]] text like this would
prevent Shadow from deleting that text when appropriate.

Alys

--
Alice Harris
Internet Services, CITEC, Brisbane, Australia
darth_alys@y...
4789

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:00am
Subject: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:
> Learned wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I am having situations where shadow address book linking slows
down
> > to a crawl. This will last for days, and every now and then it
will
> > speed back up to normal. I haven't been able to detect a pattern.
Has
> > anyone else seen this?
> > 
> 
> What do you mean by *address book* linking? I only see ways to link
a
> Shadow entry to a File, a Todo, or a Datebook entry. How do you
link it
> with an Address Book entry?
> 
> -- 
> Ralph Alvy
> ralvy@c...

Click on "Add" when you're in the Link Manager screen.
This will let you link to multiple Addresses and Memos.

Ken
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From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:07am
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow Link Manager Slowdowns

 
kenclatham wrote:
> 
> Click on "Add" when you're in the Link Manager screen.
> This will let you link to multiple Addresses and Memos.
> 
> Ken

Whoa! Never noticed that. Nice.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...
4791

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:14am
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Alys <darth_alys@y...> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:53PM -0600, Learned wrote:
> > Has anyone found a way with Megawiki to link back from a todo to 
> > Shadow using the information shadow will optionally put in the
note 
> > field of the todo?
> 
> I don't think it's possible to have a link created automatically
> because of the "Shadow: " text that is inserted into the note field
> before the name of the database; that text will stop the square
> brackets from being usable as supertags (the fact that there's
> three nested bracket pairs might stop that as well).
> 
<snip>


I thought someone had posted a way to accomplish this with MegaWiki a
while back... IIRC, it went like this.

(1) add a '>' to the Shadow file name
(2) Add, as the first entry, something like "Link - Filename>" (note)
(3) Set ':' and '>' as delimiters in MegaWiki.
(4) Goto first created ToDo/Appt created with "backlink" in it.
(5) Highlight ": Filename>" (or was it just " Filename")
(6) Find the "Link - Filename>" entry in your shadow file and set a
record link to it for the "supertext"

That should do it, now every entry created/maintained with Shadow fron
that file will automatically have a MegaWiki backlink embedded in it.

Of course, I use Linker(c), which allows markup with only single
character, so I do not use the method above exactly, but its mostly
the same.

I hope to get time to post my version (Linker) in the Shadow-tips
group this weekend  (Sorry, Jeff, been real short on time).

I'll see if I can't find the original MegaWiki post and get him to
post there also, cause it was actually *his* brain child, not mine.

(You'd think I'd remeber his name... :(  )

Ken
4792

From: Alys  <darth_alys@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:23am
Subject: Re: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 03:02:16PM +1000, Alys wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:53PM -0600, Learned wrote:
> > Has anyone found a way with Megawiki to link back from a todo to 
> > Shadow using the information shadow will optionally put in the note 
> > field of the todo?
> 
> I don't think it's possible to have a link created automatically
> because of the "Shadow: " text that is inserted into the note field
> before the name of the database; that text will stop the square
> brackets from being usable as supertags (the fact that there's
> three nested bracket pairs might stop that as well).
> 
> What you could do is put Shadow in MegaWiki's Plus panel, using
> something other than [ or ] as tag(s), with "DB Name" selected,
> "ShadP-" as the DB prefix, and "Coog" as the ID. Then when you are
> looking at a ToDo item and you want to jump back to Shadow, use Linki
> to insert the MegaWiki link characters around the database name (i.e.,
> if the note contains [[[Shadow: Office]]], then you'd put tags around
> "Office"). You could then tap on the database name to go into Shadow.
> You'd be in the right Shadow file, but you wouldn't be directly on
> the ToDo itself.
> 
> I don't know if editing the [[[Shadow: ...]]] text like this would
> prevent Shadow from deleting that text when appropriate.


In additon to that (I've just worked this out):
As well as putting the Shadow file name in the ToDo note, Shadow
will insert the text of all the parents of an item. Hence, if your
ToDo is not a top-level item, you can jump to its parent. Set up a
second entry in MegaWiki's Plus panel, with "Find Start" as the Type.
Then, when you are looking at the ToDo's note, use Linki to turn the
last parent item into a link (i.e., if the note contains [[[Shadow:
Office >GrandParent >Parent]]], then you'd put tags around "Parent").

I actually use ">" as the tag for linking to Shadow items (as
opposed to linking to Shadow files, which has to use a different
symbol), so that I can make use of the ">" that's already in the note
(use the Memo button in Linki to insert supertags around ">Parent")
- this stops the note from being cluttered with an extra symbol.

MegaWiki will then jump you into the right Shadow file and the
Parent record will be highlighted, although it might not actually be
immediately visible on the screen; you'll have to scroll up or down
to see it (should be easy to find though since it's highlighted).

I expect this would have random results if you had Parent items with
identical names in two or more Shadow files. I don't think there's any
way you could control which file you jumped in to (apart from
possibly having different Plus panel settings for every Shadow file,
which would be messy).

I hope all this is clear...

Alys

--
Alice Harris
Internet Services, CITEC, Brisbane, Australia
darth_alys@y...
4793

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:35am
Subject: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Alys <darth_alys@y...> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 03:02:16PM +1000, Alys wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:53PM -0600, Learned wrote:
> > > Has anyone found a way with Megawiki to link back from a todo
to 
> > > Shadow using the information shadow will optionally put in the
note 
> > > field of the todo?
<snip>
> > You'd be in the right Shadow file, but you wouldn't be directly on
> > the ToDo itself.
> > 
> > I don't know if editing the [[[Shadow: ...]]] text like this would
> > prevent Shadow from deleting that text when appropriate.
> 
> 
> In additon to that (I've just worked this out):
> As well as putting the Shadow file name in the ToDo note, Shadow
> will insert the text of all the parents of an item. Hence, if your
> ToDo is not a top-level item, you can jump to its parent. Set up a
> second entry in MegaWiki's Plus panel, with "Find Start" as the
Type.
> Then, when you are looking at the ToDo's note, use Linki to turn the
> last parent item into a link (i.e., if the note contains [[[Shadow:
> Office >GrandParent >Parent]]], then you'd put tags around
"Parent").
<snip>

uh, for the record Alys.  I figured that one out a couple, maybe three
weeks ago.  You guys need to search backward in the posts for MegaWiki
and Linker.  The original post, my follow-ups and Jeffs coments are
all there in a day or two's time.

And you really don't want to just make a single child name a link,
especially if you use "template" files for meeting notes and the like.
 You end up inadvertantly creating jumps out of ToDos/Appts you don't
want them in.

With Linker, at least, there is a uniform way I figured out to put a
link on several levels of the same ToDo marker, so you can choose what
*part* of the list you want to jump to.

That much mark-up comes with a certain amount of maintenance, though.
 When you move items in the list around, you have to reestablish your
links.  Not a *lot* of trouble, since you only have to do it for the
entries that moved, and you only have to do it once... SP will update
the rest of the markers for you.

But don't let me discourage you from trying something else, for
goodness sake's no!  Just thought you'd want to know what's been done,
to save some time... :)

It is absolutely *great*, once you work out a system.  It makes it so
you don't *have to* go open SP and drill down, especially when you're
working in ToDos and realize you want to go add some of "these new
todos" to an SP list.  All sorts of possiblities, here!

Ken
4794

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:51am
Subject: One little thing

 
Jeff,

Other than the "Repeats only" problem, I noticed one thing that was a
little "off"...

Using a custom entry, "days till due", progress bar, and link arrow.

I jumped to the ToDo (DBK4) made notes in the ToDo, Set it Done
Jumped back to SP (using Home button)

The progress bar showed 100% for that item, but the bar for its parent
had not been increased (only 2 other ToDo siblings, so I knew it
wasn't right).

I checked the actual percetage on the bar (popup), and it said it was
still at 30% (where it was when I opened).  I tapped 100% in the popup
and the parent updated!

Ken

Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, SP HH 2.2.1
4795

From: Alys  <darth_alys@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:30am
Subject: Re: Re: Best Small Font Look

 
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:35:00AM -0000, kenclatham wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Alys <darth_alys@y...> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 03:02:16PM +1000, Alys wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:53PM -0600, Learned wrote:
> > > > Has anyone found a way with Megawiki to link back from a todo
> to 
> > > > Shadow using the information shadow will optionally put in the
> note 
> > > > field of the todo?
> <snip>
> > > You'd be in the right Shadow file, but you wouldn't be directly on
> > > the ToDo itself.
> > > 
> > > I don't know if editing the [[[Shadow: ...]]] text like this would
> > > prevent Shadow from deleting that text when appropriate.
> > 
> > 
> > In additon to that (I've just worked this out):
> > As well as putting the Shadow file name in the ToDo note, Shadow
> > will insert the text of all the parents of an item. Hence, if your
> > ToDo is not a top-level item, you can jump to its parent. Set up a
> > second entry in MegaWiki's Plus panel, with "Find Start" as the
> Type.
> > Then, when you are looking at the ToDo's note, use Linki to turn the
> > last parent item into a link (i.e., if the note contains [[[Shadow:
> > Office >GrandParent >Parent]]], then you'd put tags around
> "Parent").
> <snip>
> 
> uh, for the record Alys.  I figured that one out a couple, maybe three
> weeks ago.  You guys need to search backward in the posts for MegaWiki
> and Linker.  The original post, my follow-ups and Jeffs coments are
> all there in a day or two's time.

Okay. I assumed from your post that you had no ideas along those lines.
I've only started using Shadow in the last three days so I would have
filtered all Shadow posts from the MegaWiki group without reading (or
remembering) them back then.

Alys

--
Alice Harris
Internet Services, CITEC, Brisbane, Australia
darth_alys@y...
4796

From: chankwongtat  <chankwongtat@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 7:16am
Subject: Problem about using Chinese character

 
I am a registrated user of Shadow Plan + Desktop in Hong Kong. I 
bought this apps from palmgear last week. I am also a registrated 
user of Brainforest Pro and Bonsai. After trying these three 
softwares, I like the palm side software of Shadow Plan very much. It 
is a very good outliner and most suitable for me. But, I found that 
there is a great problem about the Desktop application of Shadow 
Plan. I must use Chinese characters for my work. I found that I had 
no problem to use Chinese characters with Brainforest Pro and Bonsai, 
including palm side and desktop apps. Although I read from the 
document that it said the desktop apps can support international 
language, I cannot sync the Chinese character to the Desktop apps. In 
palm side, I can use Chinese characters normally. But, all Chinese 
characters become a "square symbol" in the desktop apps after hot 
sync. Are there any Chinese User? Please give me some suggestion for 
solving this problem. 

My configuration:-

Shadow Plan 2.2
Shadow Plan Desktop 1.1
Chinese Microsoft Windows 98

If I cannot solve this problem, I should go back to Bonsai.
But, I really like Shadow Plan.

Thanks.
4797

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:21am
Subject: Re: One little thing

 
I noticed something similarj yesterday when I exported one of my 
project outlines to the desktop and tied it to an XSL file for 
formatting. The XSL file shows progress by using small horizontal bar 
graphs. I then found that all items I had already checked off still 
showed less than 100% progress in those graphs.

I do believe though that this is a feature, not a bug. I vaguely 
remember that Jeff once said he did this so that you can go back if 
you inadvertently check off an item. If Shadow would set the progress 
to 100%, the original value would be lost if you went back.

I solved this "problem" by rewriting the XSL file so that it shows 
100% progress when an item is checked off, regardless of the item's 
true progress value.

However, I did not have the problem with the parent's progress not 
being updated. That works fine for me.

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kenclatham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> Other than the "Repeats only" problem, I noticed one thing that was 
a
> little "off"...
> 
> Using a custom entry, "days till due", progress bar, and link arrow.
> 
> I jumped to the ToDo (DBK4) made notes in the ToDo, Set it Done
> Jumped back to SP (using Home button)
> 
> The progress bar showed 100% for that item, but the bar for its 
parent
> had not been increased (only 2 other ToDo siblings, so I knew it
> wasn't right).
> 
> I checked the actual percetage on the bar (popup), and it said it 
was
> still at 30% (where it was when I opened).  I tapped 100% in the 
popup
> and the parent updated!
> 
> Ken
> 
> Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.2, SP HH 2.2.1
4798

From: Peggy Darling  <peggy_darling@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 437

 
>message 15
>    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:45:42 -0800
>    From: "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>
>Subject: Re: HELP!
>
>Jeff:
>Resent with this group in case you don't check the desktop mail as 
>often...please help a.s.a.p. if possible, as i really need this work i did.
>Just spent LOTS of time today creating a new file on the desktop.  After
>syncing, it didn't show up on my pda, and then when tried to open the file
>back up later on the desktop got the message...
>"Error!
>Could not open file.  Perhaps found not yet supported international
>characters?  (Maybe not well-formed (invalid token) at line268)"
>
>Any ideas what happened and how I can get the file to open.  Thanks.
>
>Kevin
>

Well, Kevin, this sort of thing always (not always, but many times) happens 
to me after I have been using the DT, snip something online, paste it into 
my outline, then try to open it on the HH or the DT.

This is how I fix it:  I open the MS-DOS Editing Program.  Then I open the 
Palm\Your user name--mine is DarlinP\Shadowplan160\ShadPthe name of the 
problem outline

Then, I scroll down to the line # indicated in your error message and see 
what weird little character got pasted with your snipped text (For me, it 
always the scientific symbol for "male.")  This symbol never is actually 
visible in the text when I snip it.  Then, I highlight the symbol, do a 
Search and replace of it, save the file as your original name, with a new 
number tacked on the end  (Shad Offending file32). [Yes, I've had to do 
this fix up to 32 times over the last few months, for some files to 
which  I paste a lot from my internet cruises.]  I was hoping that the 
International Character fix would include this pesky male symbol--but it 
hasn't.  Maybe there is an easy way that Jeff can get Shadow to accept the 
"male" symbol.  Then, the last important step---send the newly 
named-numbered offending file to the desktop for your next hot sync--or hot 
sync immediately--

Hope this helps!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4799

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:45pm
Subject: Re: VFS support doesn't work!

 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Wayne_Boxall wrote:

> I have been using MSMOUNT for somethime to store my Shadow files on a 
> MMC card with success, but with 2.2 I decided to use the Shadow 
> inbuilt support.
> 
> I see Move to card and Copy to card options, but both of them do 
> nothing at all. 
> 
> Anyone got this working? I have a 505 with a 32Mb MMC card.

	Out of a couple hundred people I had test, they all had it work
but one :/ It does seem to be something odd.. I'll be adding some error
display routines to the VFS copy/move so we can see whats up. Try
disabling msmount.. there are some hacks that confuse the OS as to where a
file is, and if Shadow sees a file already in one spot, it may be forced
to bail out by the OS.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4800

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 21, 2002 0:47pm
Subject: Re: Re: Version 2.2 - Desktop / Printing German language

 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> I hope this bug fix will get some priority. I have recently purchased
> Shadow Desktop to create "live" project progress reports for my
> managers. For this I need the XML file because I tie it to an XSL file
> to obtain the desired layout. Having all these odd characters in my
> reports has raised some questions so far and makes the reports look
> somewhat unprofessional.

	If your'e using XSL to translate into something else, then what
characters are you seeing? The odd characters only occur when printing
directly from Shadow Desktop. (In theory, you could save-as HTML and print
from IE or the like, too). I'll be revisiting the desktop in a month or so
(after tags/custom filters, and after a vacation I sorely need :)

> Looking forward to the next desktop release. :)

	Me too :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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