From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:21pm
Subject: Re:Unexpected behaviour of multi-clip

I ran into this very same thing last night. Pasted once, saw nothing,
pasted again, nothing left list, came back and there was 2 sets at the
bottom of the page, not at the level I was trying to paste. I then
subsquently did a delete, but because I had word wrap on, and filters I
didn't notice after the paste that I just deleted the majority of my list.
(Word Wrap toggle on/off wouldn't have prevented this, but still would like
it some version ;) )
Also, when I was building on the desktop, I deleted a line, and the desktop
message was it would be removed at hotsync, and the item was shaded.
Hotsync the list, and the "deleted" listing shows up on my handheld. This
was a new list created on the desktop.
jeff
<snip>
Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour of multi-clip

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Ken Gordon wrote:
>> When I copy a bunch of items into the clip then paste them into another
>> list, the pasted items do not show up until I close the new list and
>> re-open it. Am I missing something?
<snip>
  However,
if I then scrolled to the bottom of the list (so that the paste point was
no
longer visible), and then scrolled back up to the paste point (i.e. forcing
a redraw), then I saw two copies of the pasted items.  'Twas a bit
disconcerting, but the data appeared to be intact.

-- Andy

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

Please download only if you intend to post back your good/bad experiences
to me or to the forum (or to shadow-test). If its all good feedback, it
means we can go release this publicly soon. If its bad, I'll fix it. But I
need to know good and bad so I can weigh in!

This particular beta is probably much more interesting to Sony device
users. For non-Sony-highres devices, the last beta (2.1.2) is pretty much
equivilent, though 2.1.5 adds a new filter and various bugfixes.
(Remember, 2.1.2 added VFS and Sony jog dial, amoung other things)

For details of what was added through 2.1.2 see this last beta
announcement:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/4467

Added since 2.1.2 are some bugfixes, some new filters, and the ability to
import ToDo's that are unfinished. (So you can now import by category
and/or unfinished-only).

The main new thing in 2.1.5 is direct Sony high-res support (or "Mixed
Resolution Mode" as I call it in Shadow). 

For instance, if you want all the flash of Shadow, with high res fonts and
all that, just use high res assist mode as normal and you got it. (And
col-bg is safely ignored for that mode on Clies, due to the bug in the
Clie's which cause the unit to crash).

However, if you're like me, and want to *cram* text onto the screen, then
go to global prefs, hit Back (or Next 3 or 4 times) until you get to the
High Resolution Preferences. There is but one option for now, so read the
details on the screen to find out what it does. Essentially, though, it
means that Shadow will run in high res mode, but use the low res fonts..
meaning you get 4 times as much data onto the screen, and its all tiny.
You can then use Fotn Bucket or fonthack to pick smaller or larger or
different styles of fonts. (The built ins are okay, but I really like to
experiment with Font Bucket fonts. They're not as pretty, but you can get
some nice arrangements. Or just stick with high res assist and high res
fonts.. your choice :)

I myself use mixed res mode, with the palm OS built in large font (normal
and bold). It is quite readable. I also like the plain normal font, for
maximum crammage :) (I've also tried using a 5-point font bucket squat
font.. but thats just too nasty.. but it does get you 35 or 40 lines on
screen...) If you have eyesight issues, be sure to grab some of the font
bucket fontpacks off the website and try the larger fonts.

So, as of 2.1.5 you get VFS (all units with VFS from Handera through
memplug, etc) and Sony units get jog dial support, and high res sony units
get 320x320 super crammage.

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow215.zip

Let me know how it goes.

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jwinckelmann  <egroups@w...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> Please download only if you intend to post back your good/bad
experiences
> to me or to the forum (or to shadow-test). If its all good feedback, it
> means we can go release this publicly soon. If its bad, I'll fix it.
But I
> need to know good and bad so I can weigh in!

Hi,

Shadow looks great in HiRes :-)

I have a problem with the new HiRes mode on my Clie PEG-T625C in
conjuncion with Font Bucket. With the scrollbar on the left I can´t
expand or collapse items, the arrows are somehow overlayed by the
scrollbar.

Bye,
Jan

From: ksgordo  <ksg@t...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 7:08pm
Subject: Support for the shortcut symbol?

One of SP's great features is the way it starts a new entry as 
soon as you start writing. It does not seem to respond (at least when 
using the mini editor) to the shortcut symbol (the one that looks 
like a cursive lower-case L, or a fish standing on its tail). I like 
to start notes, sometimes, with the date stamp, so this is a minor 
inconvenience.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, jwinckelmann wrote:

> Shadow looks great in HiRes :-)

	*g* Theres two types of people here; those who like nice smooth
hires readable fonts.. and the rest of us, just dieing to go blind ;)

> I have a problem with the new HiRes mode on my Clie PEG-T625C in
> conjuncion with Font Bucket. With the scrollbar on the left I can´t
> expand or collapse items, the arrows are somehow overlayed by the
> scrollbar.

	I'll take a look; I may have overlooked the leftie mode while
putting in the hires changes.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:21pm
Subject: Re: Support for the shortcut symbol?

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, ksgordo wrote:

> One of SP's great features is the way it starts a new entry as 
> soon as you start writing. It does not seem to respond (at least when 
> using the mini editor) to the shortcut symbol (the one that looks 
> like a cursive lower-case L, or a fish standing on its tail). I like 
> to start notes, sometimes, with the date stamp, so this is a minor 
> inconvenience. 

	Added to my todo list.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: nvdenuttall  <nvdenuttall@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:59pm
Subject: hard reset--can't find old lists

My Palm did a hard reset. I had just did a hot-sync on the computer. 
I was trying to add a new program and Palm didn't have enough memory 
left. So, it choked and reset. The problem? I can't find the list 
which are in the computer. How do I reload that on to my PalmIIIxe.
Thank you.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:05pm
Subject: Re: hard reset--can't find old lists

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, nvdenuttall wrote:

> My Palm did a hard reset. I had just did a hot-sync on the computer. 
> I was trying to add a new program and Palm didn't have enough memory 
> left. So, it choked and reset. The problem? I can't find the list 
> which are in the computer. How do I reload that on to my PalmIIIxe.
> Thank you. 

	So your question is: "I have old Shadow files somewhere on my
computer; I want them sent up to my handheld and for some reason hotsync
manager forgot to do it for me." Something like that?

	Do a file find for "lastsync.txt". You want to go to that
directory, then up a level (to its parent), and then into a directory
called "Backup". Inside of it you'll find files called "ShadP-*.PDB",
where the * is a filename of yours. You can send those up to your handheld
(double click on them, or use the palm install tool) and then Shadow will
find them (in the Unfiled category).

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Tim McPike  <tim@t...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:06pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

The option to import unfinished todo's is great. A big step in making Shadow
seamless with the native ToDo function.

thanks, Jeff.

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From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:16pm
Subject: Re: Support for the shortcut symbol?

I'd like to be able to start with an @ symbol too ;)


>From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Support for the shortcut symbol?
>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:21:46 -0500 (EST)
>
>On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, ksgordo wrote:
>
> > One of SP's great features is the way it starts a new entry as
> > soon as you start writing. It does not seem to respond (at least when
> > using the mini editor) to the shortcut symbol (the one that looks
> > like a cursive lower-case L, or a fish standing on its tail). I like
> > to start notes, sometimes, with the date stamp, so this is a minor
> > inconvenience.
>
>	Added to my todo list.
>
>		jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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From: Deanne Nuttall  <nvdenuttall@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:35pm
Subject: RE: hard reset--can't find old lists

Thank you. I found them right where you said. 


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From: shadowplan@a...
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:37pm
Subject: Suggestions

Hi Jeff,

I've been using (and already registered!) Shadow Plan for a few days
now and have found it to be a wonderful tool on my Clie N610c.  I
thank you for taking the time and effort to develop the software as
well as being accessible to user feedback.

I thought I'd just fire off some suggestions that I have about the
software so that you and other users can see them.  Please let me know
if any of the below are already available in the otherwise already
rich featureset!

-- PDA --

* Templates - I like to keep track of things I've ordered online by
  creating an item (eg Adobe Photoshop) and giving it children items
  of "Ordered", "Confirmed", "Shipped", and "Received."  I keep track
  of the "start date" when this was begun and can also add notes like
  its tracking number, where it was ordered from, and so forth.
  Currently, I have a "Template" list in which I keep "blank"
  templates of certain checklists like this from which I can copy, it
  would be nice to have a built-in ability to do this.

* Color Code Progress Bar - it might be nice to have the progress bar
  be color-coded so that, say, 0% is red, 10% is orange, 20% is green,
  and so forth through the rainbow (ROYGBIV) or some other spectrum.
  That way, a user can view the screen and tell at a glance where the
  progress is due to the color change.

* Color Code Priority - Basically the same as the prior item but for
  the priority buttons.

* Sort Button on Button bar - maybe it'd be nice to have a "sort"
  button?

* Hi-res Button Bar - For us hi-res users...

* Main Page in Hi-res - It would be nice to list all of the lists in
  hi-res so that the user can see more than 11 lists at once.

* Main Page Category Preservation - it looks if the user changes
  something in a list, the main page's category gets changed.  For
  example, if I view a list of "All" lists, go into one of them,
  change something in its List Options, then go back out, the main
  page will be switched over to that list's category.

* Parent Item Inherit Child's Start Date - would it make sense for a
  parent to inherit the earliest start date of its children if it
  hasn't been set already?

* Started Date Column in Custom List Options - I see that there's a
  "target date" column available for a custom list; maybe it'd be nice
  to have a "start date" too?

-- Desktop --

I'm using Desktop versio 1.1 if it makes a difference.  I hope it's
the latest version!

* Keyboard shortcuts for creating new items - perhaps something like
  Enter for new sibling, CTRL-Enter for new child, and ALT-Enter for
  new parent-level item?

* Drag and Drop - it would be nice to be able to use drag and drop to
  move/copy things...

* Delete Items - rather than forcing the person to wait until a list
  has ben synced to "really" delete an item, maybe each item can be
  flagged so the program can tell if it's new?  That way, if it's a
  "new" item (one that didn't exist prior to the last syn), that item
  should be able to be deleted without the sync.  I'm not too sure if
  this is why items aren't deleted, but I just thought I'd throw it
  in.

In any case, I feel that the PDA app is wonderful, but I do honestly
find the desktop a bit lacking.  As I've purchased both, I hope you'll
find the time to work on the desktop as well as the PDA client!

Thanks!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:51am
Subject: Re: Suggestions

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 shadowplan@a... wrote:

> I've been using (and already registered!) Shadow Plan for a few days
> now and have found it to be a wonderful tool on my Clie N610c.  I
> thank you for taking the time and effort to develop the software as
> well as being accessible to user feedback.

	Your welcome :)

> I thought I'd just fire off some suggestions that I have about the
> software so that you and other users can see them.  Please let me know
> if any of the below are already available in the otherwise already
> rich featureset!

	Suggestions good :)

> * Templates - I like to keep track of things I've ordered online by
>   creating an item (eg Adobe Photoshop) and giving it children items
>   of "Ordered", "Confirmed", "Shipped", and "Received."  I keep track
>   of the "start date" when this was begun and can also add notes like
>   its tracking number, where it was ordered from, and so forth.
>   Currently, I have a "Template" list in which I keep "blank"
>   templates of certain checklists like this from which I can copy, it
>   would be nice to have a built-in ability to do this.

	Templating is very complex; everyone has a unique idea of how they
woudl like it done, with all kidns of requirements (like relative dating
at paste time and all sorts of stuff :) I'll get to it, but in awhile
after I've nailed down some long outstanding things.

> * Color Code Progress Bar - it might be nice to have the progress bar
>   be color-coded so that, say, 0% is red, 10% is orange, 20% is green,
>   and so forth through the rainbow (ROYGBIV) or some other spectrum.
>   That way, a user can view the screen and tell at a glance where the
>   progress is due to the color change.

	This is easily done; how many people like this idea?

> * Color Code Priority - Basically the same as the prior item but for
>   the priority buttons.

	Again, easily done (just hacking my graphic files). All in favour?

> * Sort Button on Button bar - maybe it'd be nice to have a "sort"
>   button?

	/S shortcut?

> * Hi-res Button Bar - For us hi-res users...

	I'm keeping the button bar "big"; when you're in a hurry, you
really don't want to be missing those all the time because they're too
small. As to clarity.. we'll see. 

	Consider: Black and white and colour icons now (2 sets of all
icons). Add sony versions (black and white and colour), and Handera
versions (black and white and soon colour), plus icons for various aspect
rations. Suddenly we've got 8-12 versions of every single icon.. thats
serious bloat, or multiple versions of the application. 

	I'm going to think about this first. Too nasty sounding..

> * Main Page in Hi-res - It would be nice to list all of the lists in
>   hi-res so that the user can see more than 11 lists at once.

	Version 2.2 is coming soon, including VFS, jog dial, and
hires. (Its in testing now.. you may have seen the announcement ;)

> * Main Page Category Preservation - it looks if the user changes
>   something in a list, the main page's category gets changed.  For
>   example, if I view a list of "All" lists, go into one of them,
>   change something in its List Options, then go back out, the main
>   page will be switched over to that list's category.

	Its always been this way, so I'm not sure it should change?

> * Parent Item Inherit Child's Start Date - would it make sense for a
>   parent to inherit the earliest start date of its children if it
>   hasn't been set already?

	We've had long arguments over this in the past, and its been
decided by the users that we should not do this.

> * Started Date Column in Custom List Options - I see that there's a
>   "target date" column available for a custom list; maybe it'd be nice
>   to have a "start date" too?

	ITs possible; start and finish date columns. Ver yfew requests, so
I've not sweated 'em :)

> I'm using Desktop versio 1.1 if it makes a difference.  I hope it's
> the latest version!

	Yep, for now.

> * Keyboard shortcuts for creating new items - perhaps something like
>   Enter for new sibling, CTRL-Enter for new child, and ALT-Enter for
>   new parent-level item?

	Nothing is in stone yet, but you can use Ctrl-N and Ctrl-M right
now.

> * Drag and Drop - it would be nice to be able to use drag and drop to
>   move/copy things...

	Coming.

> * Delete Items - rather than forcing the person to wait until a list
>   has ben synced to "really" delete an item, maybe each item can be
>   flagged so the program can tell if it's new?  That way, if it's a
>   "new" item (one that didn't exist prior to the last syn), that item
>   should be able to be deleted without the sync.  I'm not too sure if
>   this is why items aren't deleted, but I just thought I'd throw it
>   in.

	Thats more or less it, and also.. so you can undelete. Thats a
good idea though.. if all agree, I can delete those new items immediately.
However, the undelete is a desirable feature, no? I coudl add a "purge
now" function, but that'd have to be careful onyl to get the new ones, and
would confuse people as a result.

> In any case, I feel that the PDA app is wonderful, but I do honestly
> find the desktop a bit lacking.  As I've purchased both, I hope you'll
> find the time to work on the desktop as well as the PDA client!

	The desktop is only about 3 months old, and the handheld about 2
years. It'll catch up :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: lamromy  <romyl@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

Hi

This is great !  Hi-res and col-bg working finally 
on my Clie !  And the jog dial support is superb.  
Now I can really "work" on this thing.

Thanks
Romy

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell 
<support@s...> wrote:
> 
> Please download only if you intend to post back 
your good/bad experiences
> to me or to the forum (or to shadow-test). If its 
all good feedback, it
> means we can go release this publicly soon. If 
its bad, I'll fix it. But I
> need to know good and bad so I can weigh in!
> 
> This particular beta is probably much more 
interesting to Sony device
> users. For non-Sony-highres devices, the last 
beta (2.1.2) is pretty much
> equivilent, though 2.1.5 adds a new filter and 
various bugfixes.
> (Remember, 2.1.2 added VFS and Sony jog dial, 
amoung other things)
> 
> For details of what was added through 2.1.2 see 
this last beta
> announcement:
> 
> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/messag
e/4467
> 
> Added since 2.1.2 are some bugfixes, some new 
filters, and the ability to
> import ToDo's that are unfinished. (So you can 
now import by category
> and/or unfinished-only).
> 
> The main new thing in 2.1.5 is direct Sony 
high-res support (or "Mixed
> Resolution Mode" as I call it in Shadow). 
> 
> For instance, if you want all the flash of 
Shadow, with high res fonts and
> all that, just use high res assist mode as normal 
and you got it. (And
> col-bg is safely ignored for that mode on Clies, 
due to the bug in the
> Clie's which cause the unit to crash).
> 
> However, if you're like me, and want to *cram* 
text onto the screen, then
> go to global prefs, hit Back (or Next 3 or 4 
times) until you get to the
> High Resolution Preferences. There is but one 
option for now, so read the
> details on the screen to find out what it does. 
Essentially, though, it
> means that Shadow will run in high res mode, but 
use the low res fonts..
> meaning you get 4 times as much data onto the 
screen, and its all tiny.
> You can then use Fotn Bucket or fonthack to pick 
smaller or larger or
> different styles of fonts. (The built ins are 
okay, but I really like to
> experiment with Font Bucket fonts. They're not as 
pretty, but you can get
> some nice arrangements. Or just stick with high 
res assist and high res
> fonts.. your choice :)
> 
> I myself use mixed res mode, with the palm OS 
built in large font (normal
> and bold). It is quite readable. I also like the 
plain normal font, for
> maximum crammage :) (I've also tried using a 
5-point font bucket squat
> font.. but thats just too nasty.. but it does get 
you 35 or 40 lines on
> screen...) If you have eyesight issues, be sure 
to grab some of the font
> bucket fontpacks off the website and try the 
larger fonts.
> 
> So, as of 2.1.5 you get VFS (all units with VFS 
from Handera through
> memplug, etc) and Sony units get jog dial 
support, and high res sony units
> get 320x320 super crammage.
> 
> 
http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shad
ow215.zip
> 
> Let me know how it goes.
> 
> 		Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel 
around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control 
Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does 
he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:12am
Subject: Re: Single handed viewing/browsing

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> Or you guys could just get a Clie and use the new jog-dial features
Jeff
> put in. Seems to work great on my T415. Just my .02.
> 
> Scott

Well, .02 won't buy me a Clie will it!   ;)

Besides, My Kyocera *has* a jog-dial, how come *it* doesn't work! :)
(don't respond Jeff, I already know the answer to that one...)

And quite frankly, my voice doesn't *carry* as well when I talk into a
Clie!  :)

So, on behalf of all those who either don't have "Clie-type jog-dial"
or no jog dial at all, I hereby tender this list of hard key overrides
as a starting point for negotiations...


Move up one entry    Up button  (scroll up)
Move down one entry  Down button  (scroll down)

Collapse an entry    Inner left button   (Addr on the Kyocera)
Expand an entry      Inner right button  (Tasks on the Kyocera)

Page up              Outer left button   (DateBook ....)
Page down            Outer right button  (Memos ... )


Configurability:

The above list of functions to which you
assign numbers from 1 thru 6

The numbers being the hard buttons as follows:
....................._____........................
.....................|.3..|.......................
........(.1.).(.2.)..|....|..(.5.)..(.6.).........
.....................|....|.......................
.....................|_4__|.......................

If you'll pardon the poor graphics, you'll see that this is just left
to right (just in case it doesn't look right at all)

This avoids any problems with some of the newer devices where the
buttons are not in their standard locations.  For those devices, using
their button names will not work.

Those of you who use DateBk4 will recognize this as a blatant rip-off
of CESD's scheme for assigning button overrides...


Extended suggestions:

I offer up a seventh function (yes, I said 7th)

"Jump to ToDo" ... defined as:
A following of the ToDo or Appt link *only*

Since there are some of you out there that do both on one entry (which
really messed with *my* mind), I would say it should follow the ToDo. 
Or is this a checkbox option?

That way there's no confusion as to where it will jump and no problem
of devising a way to navigate the Link popup list.  I think trying to
devise a "Popup Navigation" scheme might be hard on Jeff :) and really
beyond any hatred one might have for actually pulling out the stylus.


I offer up yet another! 8th option...
You just gotta stay symetric! if I override the "page up" with
"Jump to ToDo", what good is "page down"?

8th option:

"Open/Close List" ... defined as:
On the File screen this would Open a list.
*In* the file it would close it.


And, at that, while not out of possiblities, I am out of courage to
complicate this beyond all reason. :)

Ken

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:28am
Subject: Re: Suggestions

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 shadowplan@a... wrote:
>

<snip> 

> 	Templating is very complex; everyone has a unique idea of how
> they would like it done, with all kidns of requirements (like
> relative dating at paste time and all sorts of stuff :) I'll get
> to it, but in awhile after I've nailed down some long outstanding
> things.

I would settle for a separate template list screen and an option
inside the current list screen to "insert template"..

"Macro-expansion" as *I* would call it, could come later...

> 
> > * Color Code Progress Bar <snip>
> > * Color Code Priority <snip>

So long as they don't default to colors that would make greyscale a
pain...

<snip>

> > * Main Page Category Preservation - it looks if the user changes
> >   something in a list, the main page's category gets changed.  For
> >   example, if I view a list of "All" lists, go into one of them,
> >   change something in its List Options, then go back out, the main
> >   page will be switched over to that list's category.
> 
> 	Its always been this way, so I'm not sure it should change?
> 

I vote *change it* ... just my .02 worth  (Poll?)

<snip>

> > I'm using Desktop versio 1.1 if it makes a difference.  I hope
it's
> > the latest version!
> 
> 	Yep, for now.
> 

<snip>

> > * Delete Items - rather than forcing the person to wait until a
> >   list has ben synced to "really" delete an item, maybe each item
> >   can be flagged so the program can tell if it's new?  That way,
> >   if it's a "new" item (one that didn't exist prior to the last
> >   syn), that item should be able to be deleted without the sync.
> >   I'm not too sure if this is why items aren't deleted, but I just
> >   thought I'd throw it in.
> 
>  Thats more or less it, and also.. so you can undelete. Thats a
>  good idea though.. if all agree, I can delete those new items
>  immediately. However, the undelete is a desirable feature, no?
>  I could add a "purge now" function, but that'd have to be careful
>  only to get the new ones, and would confuse people as a result.
> 

Somehow, I think it would be sufficient to add a "Hide deleted
entries" option. That way undelete of *any* deleted item would still
be possible, but maybe I'm just simple minded :)

Ken

From: lamromy  <romyl@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:35am
Subject: Shadow Desktop Not Syncing

Hi

I am trying out the Shadow Desktop (unregistered) 
version 1.1.0 with Shadow 2.1.5.  I understand that 
I can only sync one Shadow file at a time.  Even 
so, I have activated Sync on only one of my file's 
list preference, but the conduit is not working.  
The file did not appear on the desktop.

Checking the Hotsync log, there is no error 
reported.  What could be wrong ?

I am sold on the handheld version, just want to 
make sure the desktop version is equally good 
before I register for both.

Regards
Romy

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:21am
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop Not Syncing

I don't know how Shadow DT trial version determines which one file to sync,
but it's not necessary the first file you created, or the first file
alphabetically, and mostly you don't get to choose which one.  You have to
look in lastsync.txt (in the Shadow directory), toward the end, to see which
list Shadow is checking for the sync flag.  That is the only file where the
sync flag matters and the only one Shadow DT trial version will sync.

Somebody please correct me if I got it wrong...

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "lamromy" <romyl@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow Desktop Not Syncing


> Hi
>
> I am trying out the Shadow Desktop (unregistered)
> version 1.1.0 with Shadow 2.1.5.  I understand that
> I can only sync one Shadow file at a time.  Even
> so, I have activated Sync on only one of my file's
> list preference, but the conduit is not working.
> The file did not appear on the desktop.
>
> Checking the Hotsync log, there is no error
> reported.  What could be wrong ?
>
> I am sold on the handheld version, just want to
> make sure the desktop version is equally good
> before I register for both.
>
> Regards
> Romy
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:33am
Subject: Re: Suggestions

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 shadowplan@a... wrote:
>

<snip>

> > * Main Page Category Preservation - it looks if the user changes
> >   something in a list, the main page's category gets changed.  For
> >   example, if I view a list of "All" lists, go into one of them,
> >   change something in its List Options, then go back out, the main
> >   page will be switched over to that list's category.
>
> Its always been this way, so I'm not sure it should change?
>
I'd like to see it changed too.  It will make wholesale changing of list
prefs easier (like turning on col-bg), as I can select category All and
march down the list in order.  Now, Shadow dumps me to the list's category
and I have to switch back to the All view and scroll, at which point I'd
usually forget which lists I've changed and which ones still need to be
changed.  I vote yes.

Ling

From: lamromy  <romyl@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:49am
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop Not Syncing

Hi

Thanks for the info, I figure out that the file 
Shadow chose to sync is not the file that I want to 
sync, but enable the sync flag anyway, that file 
went into my desktop.

Okey.  I think I just have to work with that file 
to test the desktop version.

Thanks
Romy

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Russ & Ling" 
<rnlnero@y...> wrote:
> I don't know how Shadow DT trial version 
determines which one file to sync,
> but it's not necessary the first file you 
created, or the first file
> alphabetically, and mostly you don't get to 
choose which one.  You have to
> look in lastsync.txt (in the Shadow directory), 
toward the end, to see which
> list Shadow is checking for the sync flag.  That 
is the only file where the
> sync flag matters and the only one Shadow DT 
trial version will sync.
> 
> Somebody please correct me if I got it wrong...
> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lamromy" <romyl@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:35 AM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow Desktop Not 
Syncing
> 
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > I am trying out the Shadow Desktop 
(unregistered)
> > version 1.1.0 with Shadow 2.1.5.  I understand 
that
> > I can only sync one Shadow file at a time.  
Even
> > so, I have activated Sync on only one of my 
file's
> > list preference, but the conduit is not 
working.
> > The file did not appear on the desktop.
> >
> > Checking the Hotsync log, there is no error
> > reported.  What could be wrong ?
> >
> > I am sold on the handheld version, just want to
> > make sure the desktop version is equally good
> > before I register for both.
> >
> > Regards
> > Romy
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email 
to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

From: Jacob Share  <jshare@i...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:23am
Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions

> > * Color Code Progress Bar <snip>
> > * Color Code Priority <snip>

Go for it Jeff!

As for the color schemes, I think most people would agree that red is a 'warning' color, something to not be missed, like a stop sign, so I propose:

Progress Bar - from red (10%) to blue/purple (100%)
Priorities - from blue/purple (5) to red (1)

Or, in the best case, allow people to set their own colors. Personally I would prefer this as a global setting; color inconsistencies from list to list could be confusing when you're glancing quickly.

Jacob


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed viewing/browsing

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> Besides, My Kyocera *has* a jog-dial, how come *it* doesn't work! :)
> (don't respond Jeff, I already know the answer to that one...)

	Yeha, first jab jogger is Sony only (everyone uses their own API's
for jog dials). I'm betting Kyocera uses its own jog sytsem as well
(though I admit I've never looked into kyoceras so I didnt' even know it
had a jog dial :)  Remind me.. I can look into it in a couple weeks.

> And quite frankly, my voice doesn't *carry* as well when I talk into a
> Clie!  :)

	*rofl*

> So, on behalf of all those who either don't have "Clie-type jog-dial"
> or no jog dial at all, I hereby tender this list of hard key overrides
> as a starting point for negotiations...
> 
> 
> Move up one entry    Up button  (scroll up)
> Move down one entry  Down button  (scroll down)

	So you would like a "one handed mode" global pref to turn these
on? (ie: Since most people certainly want to use scroll buttons for
scrolling the screen and datebook type keys to take them to the
applications)

> Extended suggestions:
> I offer up a seventh function (yes, I said 7th)
> 
> "Jump to ToDo" ... defined as:
> A following of the ToDo or Appt link *only*
> 
> Since there are some of you out there that do both on one entry (which
> really messed with *my* mind), I would say it should follow the ToDo. 
> Or is this a checkbox option?

	neat idea. What key would you be assigning this to? :)

> I offer up yet another! 8th option...
> You just gotta stay symetric! if I override the "page up" with
> "Jump to ToDo", what good is "page down"?

	Ahh. So you really want it configurable then; given the 6
buttons, you want to be able to assign each of them a variety of
operations from a poplist of ops, eh? That sounds like work :)

> 8th option:
> 
> "Open/Close List" ... defined as:
> On the File screen this would Open a list.
> *In* the file it would close it.
> 
> 
> And, at that, while not out of possiblities, I am out of courage to
> complicate this beyond all reason. :)

	You cannot define up/down at the same time as for open/close,
since you intended up/down to move the selection ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop Not Syncing

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, lamromy wrote:

> I am trying out the Shadow Desktop (unregistered)  version 1.1.0 with
> Shadow 2.1.5.  I understand that I can only sync one Shadow file at a
> time.  Even so, I have activated Sync on only one of my file's list
> preference, but the conduit is not working.  The file did not appear
> on the desktop.

	When unregistered, the conduit is unruly; I had meant to make it
work on one file minimum, but I've not had time to work around a hotsync
manager issue I came across.. so instead of guaranteeing you get one, you
get the conduit only attempting one file (at random more or less). So you
need to enable the sync pref in all your lists, and then one of them will
get synced.

> I am sold on the handheld version, just want to make sure the desktop
> version is equally good before I register for both.

	The desktop is very handy, but also very young.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Desktop Not Syncing

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> I don't know how Shadow DT trial version determines which one file to sync,
> but it's not necessary the first file you created, or the first file
> alphabetically, and mostly you don't get to choose which one.  You have to
> look in lastsync.txt (in the Shadow directory), toward the end, to see which
> list Shadow is checking for the sync flag.  That is the only file where the
> sync flag matters and the only one Shadow DT trial version will sync.
> 
> Somebody please correct me if I got it wrong...

	Thats it exactly. The file being chosen tends to change after
changes are made on the handheld. So syncing one, checking the endof
lastsync, setting the sync pref, and syncing again will work. Its just
clumsy and I need to work on it.

		jeff

> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lamromy" <romyl@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:35 AM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow Desktop Not Syncing
> 
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > I am trying out the Shadow Desktop (unregistered)
> > version 1.1.0 with Shadow 2.1.5.  I understand that
> > I can only sync one Shadow file at a time.  Even
> > so, I have activated Sync on only one of my file's
> > list preference, but the conduit is not working.
> > The file did not appear on the desktop.
> >
> > Checking the Hotsync log, there is no error
> > reported.  What could be wrong ?
> >
> > I am sold on the handheld version, just want to
> > make sure the desktop version is equally good
> > before I register for both.
> >
> > Regards
> > Romy
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jacob Share wrote:

> > > * Color Code Progress Bar <snip>
> > > * Color Code Priority <snip>
> 
> As for the color schemes, I think most people would agree that red is
> a 'warning' color, something to not be missed, like a stop sign, so I
> propose:
> 
> Progress Bar - from red (10%) to blue/purple (100%)

	Are stop light colours universal? (ie: In Canada and the US, red
is stop, green is go, and yellow is "go very fast" (to steal a line ;). We
could use that analogy.

> Priorities - from blue/purple (5) to red (1)

	Course, everyone has a different idea what priority is most
important.. 1 or 5. So I'll have to have multiple icon sets.

> Or, in the best case, allow people to set their own colors. Personally
> I would prefer this as a global setting; color inconsistencies from
> list to list could be confusing when you're glancing quickly.

	Recolouring icons on the fly is slow on 33MHz units.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:49pm
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

(colour units only) Do you want
colourized priority and progress bar
icons? (right now they are all bllue as
you know). For example, we could use
greens for progress bars around 80%
done, and reds for ones around 20% done,
so you instantly know the state of the
progress bar. However, I'm afraid of
colour expliosions making the screen
look messy. 

  o Leave the colour scheme as it is 
  o The existing colour scheme needs adjusting; too hard to see 
  o More colour! Red, Yellow, Green! 
  o More colour! Some other colours than red yellow green 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/polls 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: New poll!

New poll for colour scheme question

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: llgriffll  <keith@t...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 2:58pm
Subject: Re: New poll!

Personally I'd add orange in there...changing at each 25%...
0-25   Red
25-50  Orange
50-75  Yellow
75-100 Green

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	New poll for colour scheme question
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jacob Share  <jshare@i...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions

> Are stop light colours universal? 

From what I've seen in Canada, the US, Europe and the Middle East - yes

Jacob

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:06pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

Jeff, Been away from email so just getting a chance to test. So far, no
problems on the Handera, except the list picker screen problem which we
already know about ;-)

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:18 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!
>
>
>
> Please download only if you intend to post back your good/bad experiences
> to me or to the forum (or to shadow-test). If its all good feedback, it
> means we can go release this publicly soon. If its bad, I'll fix it. But I
> need to know good and bad so I can weigh in!
>
> This particular beta is probably much more interesting to Sony device
> users. For non-Sony-highres devices, the last beta (2.1.2) is pretty much
> equivilent, though 2.1.5 adds a new filter and various bugfixes.
> (Remember, 2.1.2 added VFS and Sony jog dial, amoung other things)
>
> For details of what was added through 2.1.2 see this last beta
> announcement:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/4467
>
> Added since 2.1.2 are some bugfixes, some new filters, and the ability to
> import ToDo's that are unfinished. (So you can now import by category
> and/or unfinished-only).
>
> The main new thing in 2.1.5 is direct Sony high-res support (or "Mixed
> Resolution Mode" as I call it in Shadow).
>
> For instance, if you want all the flash of Shadow, with high res fonts and
> all that, just use high res assist mode as normal and you got it. (And
> col-bg is safely ignored for that mode on Clies, due to the bug in the
> Clie's which cause the unit to crash).
>
> However, if you're like me, and want to *cram* text onto the screen, then
> go to global prefs, hit Back (or Next 3 or 4 times) until you get to the
> High Resolution Preferences. There is but one option for now, so read the
> details on the screen to find out what it does. Essentially, though, it
> means that Shadow will run in high res mode, but use the low res fonts..
> meaning you get 4 times as much data onto the screen, and its all tiny.
> You can then use Fotn Bucket or fonthack to pick smaller or larger or
> different styles of fonts. (The built ins are okay, but I really like to
> experiment with Font Bucket fonts. They're not as pretty, but you can get
> some nice arrangements. Or just stick with high res assist and high res
> fonts.. your choice :)
>
> I myself use mixed res mode, with the palm OS built in large font (normal
> and bold). It is quite readable. I also like the plain normal font, for
> maximum crammage :) (I've also tried using a 5-point font bucket squat
> font.. but thats just too nasty.. but it does get you 35 or 40 lines on
> screen...) If you have eyesight issues, be sure to grab some of the font
> bucket fontpacks off the website and try the larger fonts.
>
> So, as of 2.1.5 you get VFS (all units with VFS from Handera through
> memplug, etc) and Sony units get jog dial support, and high res sony units
> get 320x320 super crammage.
>
> http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow215.zip
>
> Let me know how it goes.
>
> 		Jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: New poll!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, llgriffll wrote:

> Personally I'd add orange in there...changing at each 25%...
> 0-25   Red
> 25-50  Orange
> 50-75  Yellow
> 75-100 Green

	I'll worry about the details later, but good call.

	I'm just wondering how many people want a flashy colour screen
like that? Blinding? :)

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > 	New poll for colour scheme question
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> 
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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:18pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> Jeff, Been away from email so just getting a chance to test. So far, no
> problems on the Handera, except the list picker screen problem which we
> already know about ;-)

	teehee :)

	I'm thinking that due to the great success 2.1.5 has been I'd like
to get it out there as 2.2.0 (ie: The number of people that high res
assist wedges on is annoying. Bad sony. Bad. Roll over.) So in the name of
getting out the door, I'm trying to cut off right about.. now :)

	So if we call 2.1.6 to be 2.2 (all greed?) then I will make 2.2.1
fix the listbox issue, and start adding high res widgets into shadsow for
the handera (ugh).

	For Handera, I'm thinking..
	1) jog dial
	2) Highres icons? (or are they fine now?)
	3) vanishing grafitti area
	4) rotating screen

	Work on them in that order. I'll need you to test like a
maniac.. theres fewer Handera users than Sony users. Is there a mailing
list for Handera that is very large, so I can go leach it for testers?

		jeff

> 
> ...Sam
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:18 AM
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please download only if you intend to post back your good/bad experiences
> > to me or to the forum (or to shadow-test). If its all good feedback, it
> > means we can go release this publicly soon. If its bad, I'll fix it. But I
> > need to know good and bad so I can weigh in!
> >
> > This particular beta is probably much more interesting to Sony device
> > users. For non-Sony-highres devices, the last beta (2.1.2) is pretty much
> > equivilent, though 2.1.5 adds a new filter and various bugfixes.
> > (Remember, 2.1.2 added VFS and Sony jog dial, amoung other things)
> >
> > For details of what was added through 2.1.2 see this last beta
> > announcement:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/4467
> >
> > Added since 2.1.2 are some bugfixes, some new filters, and the ability to
> > import ToDo's that are unfinished. (So you can now import by category
> > and/or unfinished-only).
> >
> > The main new thing in 2.1.5 is direct Sony high-res support (or "Mixed
> > Resolution Mode" as I call it in Shadow).
> >
> > For instance, if you want all the flash of Shadow, with high res fonts and
> > all that, just use high res assist mode as normal and you got it. (And
> > col-bg is safely ignored for that mode on Clies, due to the bug in the
> > Clie's which cause the unit to crash).
> >
> > However, if you're like me, and want to *cram* text onto the screen, then
> > go to global prefs, hit Back (or Next 3 or 4 times) until you get to the
> > High Resolution Preferences. There is but one option for now, so read the
> > details on the screen to find out what it does. Essentially, though, it
> > means that Shadow will run in high res mode, but use the low res fonts..
> > meaning you get 4 times as much data onto the screen, and its all tiny.
> > You can then use Fotn Bucket or fonthack to pick smaller or larger or
> > different styles of fonts. (The built ins are okay, but I really like to
> > experiment with Font Bucket fonts. They're not as pretty, but you can get
> > some nice arrangements. Or just stick with high res assist and high res
> > fonts.. your choice :)
> >
> > I myself use mixed res mode, with the palm OS built in large font (normal
> > and bold). It is quite readable. I also like the plain normal font, for
> > maximum crammage :) (I've also tried using a 5-point font bucket squat
> > font.. but thats just too nasty.. but it does get you 35 or 40 lines on
> > screen...) If you have eyesight issues, be sure to grab some of the font
> > bucket fontpacks off the website and try the larger fonts.
> >
> > So, as of 2.1.5 you get VFS (all units with VFS from Handera through
> > memplug, etc) and Sony units get jog dial support, and high res sony units
> > get 320x320 super crammage.
> >
> > http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow215.zip
> >
> > Let me know how it goes.
> >
> > 		Jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Donna  <djbard@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Suggestions

Those stoplight colors are used in English-speaking countries.  The vast majority of Shadow users live in English-speaking countries.  Easy to deduce.  ;-)

Donna
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  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: Suggestions


  > Are stop light colours universal? 

  From what I've seen in Canada, the US, Europe and the Middle East - yes

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From: shadowplan@a...
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:34pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions

Ugh -- sorry about the HTML encoded message last post.  I think Yahoo
must have converted it.  Hopefully, this message won't be so gross.

Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>       Templating is very complex; everyone has a unique idea of how
> they woudl like it done, with all kidns of requirements (like
> relative dating at paste time and all sorts of stuff :) I'll get to
> it, but in awhile after I've nailed down some long outstanding
> things.

OK -- sounds good.  I'll just continue to use a "Template" category
from which I can copy and paste "blank" items.

> > * Sort Button on Button bar - maybe it'd be nice to have a "sort"
> > button?
>
>       /S shortcut?

Oh, yeah.  That'd work, but it's not as intuitive as a sort button.

> > * Main Page in Hi-res - It would be nice to list all of the lists in
> > hi-res so that the user can see more than 11 lists at once.
>
>       Version 2.2 is coming soon, including VFS, jog dial, and
> hires. (Its in testing now.. you may have seen the announcement ;)

Wonderful!

> > * Main Page Category Preservation - it looks if the user changes
> > something in a list, the main page's category gets changed.  For
> > example, if I view a list of "All" lists, go into one of them,
> > change something in its List Options, then go back out, the main
> > page will be switched over to that list's category.
>
>       Its always been this way, so I'm not sure it should change?

As others have pointed out, I use the "All" category to do things like
go in and change every list's options.  Maybe there could be a way to
change a list's options from the main page, perhaps in the drop-down
on the right-hand side?

> > * Parent Item Inherit Child's Start Date - would it make sense for a
> > parent to inherit the earliest start date of its children if it
> > hasn't been set already?
>
>       We've had long arguments over this in the past, and its been
> decided by the users that we should not do this.

OK, thanks.

> > * Started Date Column in Custom List Options - I see that
> > there's a "target date" column available for a custom list;
> > maybe it'd be nice to have a "start date" too?
>
>       ITs possible; start and finish date columns. Ver yfew
> requests, so I've not sweated 'em :)

It might be nice.  As I said, one way I'm using Shadow Plan is to
track online purchases.  It'd be nice to be able to quickly see when
certain things were ordered and such.  

> > * Keyboard shortcuts for creating new items - perhaps something like
> > Enter for new sibling, CTRL-Enter for new child, and ALT-Enter for
> > new parent-level item?
>
>       Nothing is in stone yet, but you can use Ctrl-N and Ctrl-M
> right now.

OK.  Are these undocumented features?  I thought I'd read through the
manual.

Also, is there a way to go up one level to create a "parent" item
through a keyboard shortcut?

Also, is there any way currently to "promote" or "demote" items to its
parent or child level on the Desktop?

> >  * Delete Items - rather than forcing the person to wait until a list
> > has ben synced to "really" delete an item, maybe each item can be
> > flagged so the program can tell if it's new?  That way, if it's a
> > "new" item (one that didn't exist prior to the last syn), that    item
> > should be able to be deleted without the sync.  I'm not too sure    if
> > this is why items aren't deleted, but I just thought I'd throw it
> > in.
>
>       Thats more or less it, and also.. so you can undelete. Thats a
> good idea though.. if all agree, I can delete those new items
> immediately.  However, the undelete is a desirable feature, no? I
> coudl add a "purge now" function, but that'd have to be careful onyl
> to get the new ones, and would confuse people as a result.

Maybe a "multiple undo" feature? 

>       The desktop is only about 3 months old, and the handheld about
> 2 years. It'll catch up :)

I'm looking forward to it!

Thanks for your quick response.  I'll be sure to send in more
suggestions and such if/when I run into them.  I'm excited to be a
part of the "development" process in this manner!

From: agreene@p...
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: Re: New poll!

Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> writes:

> I'm just wondering how many people want a flashy colour screen
> like that? Blinding? :)

Personally, I'd find it distracting; you already have a perfectly
good progress bar. 

What I would find more useful would be to extend the highlighting
facility by allowing mutiple highlight rules, each of which can
use a boolean expression. So:

IF  Priority       <= 2 
AND Progress       <  50%
AND Days until due <  10

THEN color = red and bold

ELSE

IF  Days until due <  5
AND Progress       <  100%

THEN color = orange and not bold

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:44pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

Jeff,
So far:

Really like the jog-dial support, Very intuitive and really works well.
Thanks.

Mixed feelings on the "mixed res" pref. I like getting 22 lines on the
screen at once, but the menus and main screen look so much better in hires
assist w/ fonthack. I think I may switch back to fonthack like Kenneth.
Tough call.

But all in all, thanks for more excellent work.

Scott

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

>
> 	So if we call 2.1.6 to be 2.2 (all greed?) then I will make 2.2.1
> fix the listbox issue, and start adding high res widgets into shadsow for
> the handera (ugh).
>
> 	For Handera, I'm thinking..
> 	1) jog dial
> 	2) Highres icons? (or are they fine now?)
> 	3) vanishing grafitti area
> 	4) rotating screen

Does this include adding support for Handera's native fonts? That would be
my first priority (after of course fixing the listbox). I have no problems
with the current icons, but would hires text and lores icons work?

>
> 	Work on them in that order. I'll need you to test like a
> maniac.. theres fewer Handera users than Sony users. Is there a mailing
> list for Handera that is very large, so I can go leach it for testers?

Yahoo groups T-U-G has about 1850 members. I promise to test like a maniac.

...Sam

From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 4:58pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 431

<snip>
 I'm thinking that due to the great success 2.1.5 has been I'd like
to get it out there as 2.2.0 (ie: The number of people that high res
assist wedges on is annoying. Bad sony. Bad. Roll over.) So in the name of
getting out the door, I'm trying to cut off right about.. now :)

             So if we call 2.1.6 to be 2.2 (all greed?) then I will make
2.2.1
fix the listbox issue, and start adding high res widgets into shadsow for
the handera (ugh).

             For Handera, I'm thinking..
             1) jog dial
             2) Highres icons? (or are they fine now?)
             3) vanishing grafitti area
             4) rotating screen
<snip>
Jeff, is there any chance of fitting the word wrap toggle into one of these
fixes. I think we decided it would be under "v" in the top right with wrap
toggle on/off (or something to that extent :)
just throwing out a reminder..:)
all these changes you are putting in for jog dial and hires making want a
Sony...ok, maybe not..
jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: New poll!

On 13 Mar 2002 agreene@p... wrote:

> > I'm just wondering how many people want a flashy colour screen
> > like that? Blinding? :)
> 
> Personally, I'd find it distracting; you already have a perfectly
> good progress bar. 

	Thats what I'm worried about.

> What I would find more useful would be to extend the highlighting
> facility by allowing mutiple highlight rules, each of which can
> use a boolean expression. So:

	Hilights depend on filters; the filtyer system will be revmaped
soon to allow for customizable (and hopefully savable) user defined
filters.

		jeff

> 
> IF  Priority       <= 2 
> AND Progress       <  50%
> AND Days until due <  10
> 
> THEN color = red and bold
> 
> ELSE
> 
> IF  Days until due <  5
> AND Progress       <  100%
> 
> THEN color = orange and not bold
> 
> 
> 
> 
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: peircej  <peircej@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:29pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Tim McPike <tim@t...> wrote:
> The option to import unfinished todo's is great. A big step in 
making Shadow
> seamless with the native ToDo function.
> 

What follows is neither a bug report nor a criticism; just an idea 
for discussion.

I agree the import unfinished to-dos option is very powerful and 
useful.  "Import" is such a powerful tool that a careless user could 
wreak havoc on his Shadow files, thus.

Step 1.  Create a tasklist A in Shadow with links to to-do. 

Step 2.  Create a new tasklist B and import all unfinished to-dos 
with the "link back" box checked.  Now B links to all unfinished to 
dos originally created in A.  Thus there is a group of unfinished 
todos with links both to A and to B.

Step 3.  With the "Delete item deletes links" preference checked, 
delete some of the double-linked tasks from B.  The "to do" items are 
automatically deleted from the Palm todo list as well as from B.  
List A's unfinished to do links are now all eliminated.

This situation can easily be avoided by anyone who is aware of the 
risk (uncheck "delete item deletes links").  Indeed, I dodged this 
very bullet last night while building a new Shadow tasklist from 
imported to-dos.  

I apologize as a Shadow newbie if this is an old topic.  I also don't 
think it requires any change in the software.  A pop-up nag box with 
a message like "Do you realize you are about to delete the linked to-
do, you moron?" would be possible, but obnoxious, since the answer 
would usually be "Of course I know that -- it is why I checked 
the "delete item deletes links" checkbox in the first place."

Maybe a warning in the documentation about the potential behavior of 
multiple links to a single to-do?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:28pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 shadowplan@a... wrote:

> > > * Sort Button on Button bar - maybe it'd be nice to have a "sort"
> > > button?
> >
> >       /S shortcut?
> 
> Oh, yeah.  That'd work, but it's not as intuitive as a sort button.

	/S already exists; a sort button might be intuitive, but the
screen is already full.. so you'd have to take something away to get
it. Shadow is feature laden, but we must be careful to select the most
often needed operations for buttons and on-screen widgets.

> > > * Main Page in Hi-res - It would be nice to list all of the lists in
> > > hi-res so that the user can see more than 11 lists at once.
> >
> >       Version 2.2 is coming soon, including VFS, jog dial, and
> > hires. (Its in testing now.. you may have seen the announcement ;)
> 
> Wonderful!

	I made a screenshot last night. Nothign fancy, but..

	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/screenshots/cliepcb216.gif

> As others have pointed out, I use the "All" category to do things like
> go in and change every list's options.  Maybe there could be a way to
> change a list's options from the main page, perhaps in the drop-down
> on the right-hand side?

	Theres no way to yet summon list prefs from the file selection
screen. Remind me in a bit.. I'll worry about category fiddling after I
get some other stuff done.

> >       We've had long arguments over this in the past, and its been
> > decided by the users that we should not do this.
> 
> OK, thanks.

	(scan back in the archives; theres long threads about it, with
points fore and against..)

> It might be nice.  As I said, one way I'm using Shadow Plan is to
> track online purchases.  It'd be nice to be able to quickly see when
> certain things were ordered and such.

	Yeah; now that we have more screen space to blow away (hires
only), more optional columns may be of use.

> >       Nothing is in stone yet, but you can use Ctrl-N and Ctrl-M
> > right now.
> 
> OK.  Are these undocumented features?  I thought I'd read through the
> manual.

	They are undocumented and likely to change.

> Also, is there a way to go up one level to create a "parent" item
> through a keyboard shortcut?

	Not yet.

> Also, is there any way currently to "promote" or "demote" items to its
> parent or child level on the Desktop?

	Not well; the conduit isn't tested for moving items around on the
desktop side (consider how complex it could be if you're moving an item on
the handheld *and* the desktop, along with swapping parents and moving
children around.. immensely complex which to trust, etc). So it can be
done if you're sneaky, but its not tested.

> >       The desktop is only about 3 months old, and the handheld about
> > 2 years. It'll catch up :)
> 
> I'm looking forward to it!
> 
> Thanks for your quick response.  I'll be sure to send in more
> suggestions and such if/when I run into them.  I'm excited to be a
> part of the "development" process in this manner!

	Thats why I do this :) I coudl get a lot more done if I didn't
answer 150-300 emails a day.. but I think its important to be here,
available.. if something terribly wrong occurs you want to know I'm here
right away. If you got suggestions, its so much mroe exciting and fun to
beat me over the head with them in near real time :) If I'm developing
*for* people, why shouldn't they participate?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:30pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 smasters@a... wrote:

> Really like the jog-dial support, Very intuitive and really works well.
> Thanks.

	I've got some optimizations I can do to make the jog were very
fast. Hopefully work on them later.

> Mixed feelings on the "mixed res" pref. I like getting 22 lines on the
> screen at once, but the menus and main screen look so much better in
> hires assist w/ fonthack. I think I may switch back to fonthack like
> Kenneth. Tough call.

	Yep; high res assist mode, with high res fonts, is pretty good. If
you use a good set of high res fonts under HRA mode, you shoudl be able to
get 20 lines or more onscreen. Thats why I put off a high res mode.. its
really not essential. However, I've decided I like to cram :)

	I can't get fonthack to work in highres either.. nomatter what
font I use, I get a messe dup display (it screwed up silverscreen and
shadow and most other apps.. I'd get weird spacings, and lots of garbage
all over the screen). As if the font weren't the right size for what
they're being used for, and leaving turds all over :/

> But all in all, thanks for more excellent work.

	Welcome :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:33pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> > 	So if we call 2.1.6 to be 2.2 (all greed?) then I will make 2.2.1
> > fix the listbox issue, and start adding high res widgets into shadsow for
> > the handera (ugh).
> >
> > 	For Handera, I'm thinking..
> > 	1) jog dial
> > 	2) Highres icons? (or are they fine now?)
> > 	3) vanishing grafitti area
> > 	4) rotating screen
> 
> Does this include adding support for Handera's native fonts? That would be
> my first priority (after of course fixing the listbox). I have no problems
> with the current icons, but would hires text and lores icons work?

	I thought it used the hires fonts now? (the OS translating the low
res font sinto high res font requests)? Or is Sony the only one doing
that? If you don't have hires fonts, thats terrible!

	Handera:
	1) hires fonts
	2) jog dial
	3) icon appearance a factor?
	4) virtual grafitti
	5) rotating screen

> > 	Work on them in that order. I'll need you to test like a
> > maniac.. theres fewer Handera users than Sony users. Is there a mailing
> > list for Handera that is very large, so I can go leach it for testers?
> 
> Yahoo groups T-U-G has about 1850 members. I promise to test like a maniac.

	Excellent. Keep bugging me.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: fiatspider72  <fiatspider72@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
<snip>
> 	Are stop light colours universal? (ie: In Canada and the US, red
> is stop, green is go, and yellow is "go very fast" (to steal a line
;). We
> could use that analogy.

<snip>

I can confirm that Austraila and Japan also follow this scheme.

 - Jeramy

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 431

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 jeff.resener@s... wrote:

> Jeff, is there any chance of fitting the word wrap toggle into one of these
> fixes. I think we decided it would be under "v" in the top right with wrap
> toggle on/off (or something to that extent :)
> just throwing out a reminder..:)
> all these changes you are putting in for jog dial and hires making want a
> Sony...ok, maybe not..

	OKay; I'll try and nail it soon.

	But tonight is Enterprise!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, peircej wrote:

> I agree the import unfinished to-dos option is very powerful and 
> useful.  "Import" is such a powerful tool that a careless user could 
> wreak havoc on his Shadow files, thus.

	How does this wreak havoc?

> Step 1.  Create a tasklist A in Shadow with links to to-do. 
> 
> Step 2.  Create a new tasklist B and import all unfinished to-dos 
> with the "link back" box checked.  Now B links to all unfinished to 
> dos originally created in A.  Thus there is a group of unfinished 
> todos with links both to A and to B.

	And theres nothing wrong with this; linking to the amw todo from
multiple items is supported.

> Step 3.  With the "Delete item deletes links" preference checked, 
> delete some of the double-linked tasks from B.  The "to do" items are 
> automatically deleted from the Palm todo list as well as from B.  
> List A's unfinished to do links are now all eliminated.

	Whats the problem? When you open A, it'll let you know that some
links are now broken, and you can sever them all, or sever them one by one
(or re-create them). This is the correct behaviour, and I think most
people will understand (hopefully :)

> This situation can easily be avoided by anyone who is aware of the 
> risk (uncheck "delete item deletes links").  Indeed, I dodged this 
> very bullet last night while building a new Shadow tasklist from 
> imported to-dos.  

	Just let me know what the bullet is ;)

> I apologize as a Shadow newbie if this is an old topic.  I also don't 
> think it requires any change in the software.  A pop-up nag box with 
> a message like "Do you realize you are about to delete the linked to-
> do, you moron?" would be possible, but obnoxious, since the answer 
> would usually be "Of course I know that -- it is why I checked 
> the "delete item deletes links" checkbox in the first place."

	*g*

> Maybe a warning in the documentation about the potential behavior of 
> multiple links to a single to-do?  

	It works as expected; updating one will update the other shadow
lists.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:51pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 431

It's repeat!  So, now you can work on Shadow!

Give me back the original Star Trek any time any day.


I have just completed my video collection of the original Star Trek.  It took me more than 3 years, but it was worth it.
--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 03/13/2002


On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:38:13 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>But tonight is Enterprise!

From: Mark Ewers  <mark_ewers@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: Suggestions

>   From: shadowplan@a...
>Subject: Suggestions
>
><snip>
>
>* Sort Button on Button bar - maybe it'd be nice to have a "sort"
> button?


Or could the button bar be context sensitive, or configuable.... More preferences, aaahhhh, well just a thought.

Mark



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From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:31pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions

At 13:36 13/03/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > * Color Code Progress Bar - it might be nice to have the progress bar
> >   be color-coded so that, say, 0% is red, 10% is orange, 20% is green,
> >   and so forth through the rainbow (ROYGBIV) or some other spectrum.
> >   That way, a user can view the screen and tell at a glance where the
> >   progress is due to the color change.
>
>         This is easily done; how many people like this idea?

Sounds great to me!


Justin Nelson (using a Palm M505 with OS v.4.0, JackFlash, Datebk4 v.5 
[Beta preview], ShadowPlan v.2.1.2 and a LOAD of system extension hacks)

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:36pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

> > Does this include adding support for Handera's native fonts?
> That would be
> > my first priority (after of course fixing the listbox). I have
> no problems
> > with the current icons, but would hires text and lores icons work?
>
> 	I thought it used the hires fonts now? (the OS translating the low
> res font sinto high res font requests)? Or is Sony the only one doing
> that? If you don't have hires fonts, thats terrible!

When I use the font picker in SP, I get 3 choices, what I would call normal,
bold, and large. When I use the font picker in the built-in palm apps, I get
8 choices, what I would call small, small bold, two styles of normal, two
styles of normal bold, large, and large bold (sorry for the bad
terminology -- I'm not a font person). Anyway, it's these 8 that I was
referring to as Handera's native fonts. I'd really like to try out the
small.

...Sam

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:55pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 431

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Kenneth S. Rhee wrote:

> It's repeat!  So, now you can work on Shadow!
> 
> Give me back the original Star Trek any time any day.

	Pfah; original trek good. Next gen and voyager good. But the first
season of each? Enterprise has the best first season of any Trek yet. And
it has shower gel.

> I have just completed my video collection of the original Star Trek.  
> It took me more than 3 years, but it was worth it.

	heh. I've got most of ST:TNG, but barely any of the original or
Voyager or Enterprise. We don't talk about DS9 wher eI'm from ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:09pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Mark Ewers wrote:

> Or could the button bar be context sensitive, or configuable.... More
> preferences, aaahhhh, well just a thought.

	I've thought about having 2 or 3 separate toolbars that you can
choose from.. so not a configurable toolbar per se, but allowing you to
pick which toolbar you need. *shrug*

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Suggestions

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Mark Ewers wrote:

> >   From: shadowplan@a...
> >Subject: Suggestions
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >* Sort Button on Button bar - maybe it'd be nice to have a "sort"
> > button?
> 
> 
> Or could the button bar be context sensitive, or configuable.... More
> preferences, aaahhhh, well just a thought.

	Or heck, could even make a second toolbar.. now that we've got
better font and hires support, losing a line of text may be acceptible..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:15pm
Subject: RE: Shadow 2.1.5 Beta Released!

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> When I use the font picker in SP, I get 3 choices, what I would call normal,
> bold, and large. When I use the font picker in the built-in palm apps, I get
> 8 choices, what I would call