From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Error on Deleting Files

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> I recently did a bit of clean up on my Shadow files and had a fatal
> error when deleting a file. By following these steps I reproduced the
> problem:
>   Click on a file
>   Click on the trash can
>   Message comes up, "Are you sure...?" Choose "Yes"
>   Message comes up, "Remove links...?" Choose "Yes"
>   Fatal Error. DataMgr.c, Line:7821,Index out of range
> 
> I was able to reproduce this by creating a new file and then deleting
> it. My work-around for now was to manually remove the links in the
> file and then choose "No" to the message "Remove links".

	It means likely that one of your files is "old"; Shadow has gone
through 1 major format change, and several minor ones. (It has an
extension mechanism, so little extensions get added to its database every
once in awhile, to contain all the new features). If you've been through
many versions of Shadow, you may have created a file long ago that is a
little "older" looking than the "current" format of your version on the
handheld. Thats not a problem .. the Shadow application can reasd any
version of its files from day 1 a couple years ago. However, the
"scanner" routines are more fragile and sometimes get confused.

	How to fix?

	IF you have the time, open each of your files, one at a time. Open
it, open an item details, hit OK, hit Done/X and go onto the next
file. That is sufficient for Shadow to "refresh" the file while closing
it.

	Doing this process will refresh all your files and the problem
shoudl go away.

	I should make a FAQ entry for this :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Fonts still not sticking

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:

> A few weeks ago I reported having trouble with my font prefs not sticking. I
> had FontBucket installed and when I set an alternative font and then
> switched to another app and then back to Shadow all my fonts settings seemed
> to revert back to the Palm OS basic fonts.
> 
> I have since removed FontBucket and all traces of fonts and simply tried
> setting my bold font as another Palm OS base font and it still reverts back
> to the default fonts. Any idea why this is happening? Jeff, can my
> preferences be corrupted? All other prefs stick.

	That is just too weird. Your'e the only one who has reported such
an oddity. I think we went through the motions before but lets check..

	Any Hacks enabled?

> Prism OS 3.5.2 Shadow 2.1.2b (although it was doing this in previous
> releases too)

	It was all developed on that configuration (Prism).

	There has to be somethign whacky going on.

	They reset back to normal as soon as you leave Shadow? Not after a
hotsync or anything? 

	What Launcher? Maybe you've got somethign that messes with the
prefs..

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Clie T615 Crashes with Hi-Res Assist on

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, marsrowjablonski wrote:

> Is it just me or is anyone else having a problem with Shadow 2.1.2 
> beta crashing on their Sony Clie T615? Shadow consistently crashes 
> unless it is excluded in the HiRes Assist preferences. With it 
> excluded in the HiRes Assist preferences, it appears to run fine.

	Highres Assist crashes for many programs that paint the
background. You can uncheck "col-bg" in List Preferences and then the
lists will open in highres assist no problem. A highres supporting version
is coming out soon, so this problem will be moot.. but until then, just
dont' enable col-bg. Or maybe Sony will make a patch :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: New Item problem

Is this 100% repeatable? If you get a file which is perfectly in
sync on the handheld and desktop, then new item and delete it, does it
always cause this problem?

	If so, thats very helpful.. (we've been trying to nab this for
awhile :)

		jeff

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, ffdet wrote:

> Hey all, just registered my Shadow Plan and loving it :)
> 
>  I've found a little bug or annoyance that you may already know 
> about. I tried to search on it but I couldn't find it.  
> 
>  I found that entering items on the desktop and deleting a accidently 
> placed new item caused the palm to show the list wrong.  The only way 
> to fix it was to delete it off the palm and resync the file from the 
> desktop. Here's what I'm talking about.
> 
> On desktop - Notice the new item was accidental and I highlighted it 
> and hit delete while in the desktop mode.
> 
> task 1
>   -sublevel
> task 2
>   -sublevel 
>     -new item *deleted on desktop*
> task 3
>   -sublevel
> task 4
>   -sublevel
> 
>  On palm it shows up like this. Notice it has moved the 3rd and 4th 
> task up under the task 2 where the new item was deleted from.
> 
> task 1
>   -sublevel
> task 2
>   -sublevel
>   -task 3
>     -sublevel
>   -task 4
>     -sublevel
> 
>  Technically the data is all there but it's not formatted the same 
> anymore.  It moves under a task it shouldn't be in.
> 
>  Is this a known issue or something new?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad.
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:22pm
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Floats don't work

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Khairil Yusof wrote:

> Just tested this out (letting the float move to the next day). I get wierd
> characters that show in Shadow but not in the DB4 notes field. DB4 often has

	DB4 extensions work by adding junk to the notes; so every time you
do something funny in DB4 (thats not in built in Datebook), it adds kruft
into the note. Shadow will show the note (as will any other program that
shows the datebook notes).. since it *really is a note*. Just DB4 knows
how his extensions look and hides them.  I could also try and hide them,
but then I have to keep up with Db4 extensions, and then the Action Names
people would want me to do the same for them (it also adds to the note),
and a dozen other programs :) So.. I'm waiting to do special code for
specific apps until I've got more things finished which benefit all Shadow
users.. 

> extra stuff like icons in the notes field, but when it doesn't show in DB4
> but shows up in Shadow, there is some extra data there not being synced. It
> works on the initial link but doens't once the float moves to the next day
> (a goto action on the next day from Shadow).

	IF you mean the note junk, then that is normal. Thats DB4's stuff
just being revealed.

> So DB4 users using floats to track projects, shouldn't link them. It's

	Lots of people do; it works (I think). What is the problem
exactly? (goto's work, no? the sync is correct, no?)

> Most of the time it comes down to for me is, do I want to use Shadow Plan to
> track your dates or the Datebook app. You could have a list of dates in
> Shadow, but for people like me DB4 views help me visualize better. Somehow a
> list of dates of deadlines is just not as scary as seeing 2 deadline icons a
> day apart in a week view on DB4. ;)

	Depends on your philosophy; I manage things bigger than one day in
Shadow. No datebook can handle somethign more than a day long .. 5
separate day events are all unrelated in a datebook.. they're only related
in your head. My head is full and tired :) So Shadow has a list of related
things and I link them out as they get near. On any given instant, I
monitor my datebook (Action Names) for my todays due events.. its a flat
list of things I need done today, from all Shadow lists (since all my
shadow lists link into the one datebook, since you can onyl have one
datebook). So I use both..

	But everyone has their own system :)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 11:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, fiatspider72 wrote:

> > 	If you've got VFS or a Clie, this is for you :)
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > 	NOTE: VFS support only checked for OS 3.5.x and later
> 
> You may want to re-look this as the Visor Deluxe (OS 3.1) can run VFS
> if using an adapter that uses the Flash Adapter drivers and VFShelper
> from Kopsis Engineering ( http://www.kopsisengineering.com ).  I know
> Dave Kessler, the president of Kopsis, has helped many developers make
> sure their products do work with 3.1

	Shadow works all the way back through 2.0 actually (excepting
some specific features which can only work in OS 3.x). Perhaps I will
remove the VFS check entirely, all the way back to OS 3.0, if I can do so
withotu causing issues.

		jeff

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From: Khairil Yusof  <kaeru@p...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: RE: DateBk4 Floats don't work

From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]

> Lots of people do; it works (I think). What is the problem
> exactly? (goto's work, no? the sync is correct, no?)

That's what I tested. If you link to a float event on day 1, it works fine
using the goto. The next day, something happens that breaks the link. So in
link manager it says link to datekbook present. However the goto won't work
anymore.

I'll test it again tonight, and see if the link is maintained from day to
day (DB4 generates floating events at midnight).


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From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Error on Deleting Files

Jeff,

Thanks for the info on this. I hate to burden you with another task
but... It's a bit disconcerting when an app crashes. I'd recommend
that this be handles more elegantly. Is a conversion needed to
automatically convert the files? Maybe a check in the program and a
warning? I dunno. I have done my housecleaning and deleted my files.

Now that I've said that, the problem also occurred when I created a
new file, added 2 records, closed it out and tried deleting it. Does
this mean something else?
--
Michael Rudnick                         
Michael@R...

Wednesday, March 06, 2002, 8:08:22 AM, you wrote:
JM> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

>> I recently did a bit of clean up on my Shadow files and had a fatal
>> error when deleting a file. By following these steps I reproduced the
>> problem:
>>   Click on a file
>>   Click on the trash can
>>   Message comes up, "Are you sure...?" Choose "Yes"
>>   Message comes up, "Remove links...?" Choose "Yes"
>>   Fatal Error. DataMgr.c, Line:7821,Index out of range
>>
>> I was able to reproduce this by creating a new file and then deleting
>> it. My work-around for now was to manually remove the links in the
>> file and then choose "No" to the message "Remove links".

JM>       It means likely that one of your files is "old"; Shadow has gone
JM> through 1 major format change, and several minor ones. (It has an
JM> extension mechanism, so little extensions get added to its database every
JM> once in awhile, to contain all the new features). If you've been through
JM> many versions of Shadow, you may have created a file long ago that is a
JM> little "older" looking than the "current" format of your version on the
JM> handheld. Thats not a problem .. the Shadow application can reasd any
JM> version of its files from day 1 a couple years ago. However, the
JM> "scanner" routines are more fragile and sometimes get confused.

JM>       How to fix?

JM>       IF you have the time, open each of your files, one at a time. Open
JM> it, open an item details, hit OK, hit Done/X and go onto the next
JM> file. That is sufficient for Shadow to "refresh" the file while closing
JM> it.

JM>       Doing this process will refresh all your files and the problem
JM> shoudl go away.

JM>       I should make a FAQ entry for this :)

JM>             jeff

JM> --
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JM> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
JM> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
JM> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:21am
Subject: Re: Clie T615 Crashes with Hi-Res Assist on

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, marsrowjablonski wrote:

> I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or if I'm the only 
> one having this problem, but I'm using the new Shadow 2.1.2 beta 
> version and my Clie T615 crashes consistently unless I exclude it in 
> the HiRes assist preferences.

	Highres Assist is crashing; it can't handle background paints very
well. I've got a highres version coming soon which will make the problem
moot, and if you run Shadow in low res on a clie, it'll disable col-bg
automatically. (If you have highres assist on, uncheck col-bg in list
prefs and then you're good to go. Run Shadow in low res to change the list
prefs, of course, or you'll crash before getting there :)

> Anyone else having this problem or know of workaround?

	Everyone with a Clie. So do the col-bg trick for now, and grab the
Clie version in a bit :)

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Fatal Error on Deleting Files

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> Thanks for the info on this. I hate to burden you with another task
> but... It's a bit disconcerting when an app crashes. I'd recommend
> that this be handles more elegantly. Is a conversion needed to
> automatically convert the files? Maybe a check in the program and a
> warning? I dunno. I have done my housecleaning and deleted my files.

	Its on my list todo; the scanner routines shouldn't have such a
flaw at all.. they shoudl automatically adjust to the version of the
records in there.. but they're having troubles with some versions it
appears. I've not fully investigated it however.. being drawn in too many
directions (Mac desktop version, improving the windows desktop, the
handheld some bug fixes, the handheld some features, keeping up with Palm
OS, Sony, Handera.. no end of work :)

> Now that I've said that, the problem also occurred when I created a
> new file, added 2 records, closed it out and tried deleting it. Does
> this mean something else?

	No; the scanners aren't scanner the file you're deleting.. theyr'e
scanning all you rothe files, looking for files pointing to the one you're
deleting. You could just hit No to that dialog and no worries :)

		jeff

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From: anniebluesky  <annie@b...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:56pm
Subject: test

I have sent 2 posts and none have been posted. I am seeing if this 
gets through. Anyone else having problems posting?
annie

From: anniebluesky  <annie@b...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:58pm
Subject: desktop files

I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 
 
I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet 
supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 
71) 
 
Just an added note. I am able to open other shadow files were created 
on the handheld. This one I created on the desktop a few days ago. I 
can view it on the handheld, but cannot open it on the desktop. If 
naming is a problem, it has a simple name "McDougall" without the 
quotes. And it reads "ShadowP-McDougall.XML" on the computer.
 
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From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:36am
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> 
>       Only with this file, or any file you attempt? When you open that
> target file normally yourself, it works fine? What if you open up list
> prefs for that file?
> 
>             jeff

Any file that Shadow lists in the list of possible files to target the
link.

When I open the intended target file on its own, no problems. And no
problems opening List Preferences for any such file.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:37am
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> > If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me
> know.
> 
>       Depends; if you want to do a brief compare and contrast thats
> fine; if your'e goign to go telling everyone to use LB, I'll have to
> boot
> you :)
> 
>             jeff

The Yahoo group GTD_Palm seems the perfect place for this, now that I
know of its existence.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:49pm
Subject: Re: test

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, anniebluesky wrote:

> I have sent 2 posts and none have been posted. I am seeing if this 
> gets through. Anyone else having problems posting?

	I think yahoo might've had some issues yesterday..

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: Re: desktop files

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, anniebluesky wrote:

> I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 
>  
> I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet 
> supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 
> 71) 

	Are you using Shadow 2.1 or 2.0? Sounds like you're using
2.0; upgrade to 2.1 to fix the problem. (You're using an international
character, and the desktop in Shadow 2.0 couldn't handle non-Western
characters)

		jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 7:06pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> >       Only with this file, or any file you attempt? When you open that
> > target file normally yourself, it works fine? What if you open up list
> > prefs for that file?
> 
> Any file that Shadow lists in the list of possible files to target the
> link.
> 
> When I open the intended target file on its own, no problems. And no
> problems opening List Preferences for any such file.

	Thats whacky. OKay, I'll have to investigate it later.. I'm in the
middle of a number of things and tied up for a few days. Let me know the
exact error again (or I can go back through mail and find it), and I'll
look into it in awhile.

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
>       Thats whacky. OKay, I'll have to investigate it later.. I'm in
> the
> middle of a number of things and tied up for a few days. Let me know
> the
> exact error again (or I can go back through mail and find it), and
> I'll
> look into it in awhile.

Okay. Here's the exact message ...

	Fatal Alert:

	Fatal Exception

	Reset

I get that when attempting a File Link execution, as well as when
attempting to go to a file on the Recent Files list.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: Cindy Greene  <cindyg@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 7:45pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

I had the same error message; drove me crazy and I almost stopped using
Shadow. Couldn't find ANYTHING on a Fatal Exception in any manual, help
file, anything.

Completely disappeared when I installed the latest upgrade; hasn't returned.

I love Shadow again...

Cindy


 
>       Thats whacky. OKay, I'll have to investigate it later.. I'm in
> the
> middle of a number of things and tied up for a few days. Let me know
> the
> exact error again (or I can go back through mail and find it), and
> I'll
> look into it in awhile.

> Okay. Here's the exact message ...

        Fatal Alert:

        Fatal Exception

        Reset

> I get that when attempting a File Link execution, as well as when
> attempting to go to a file on the Recent Files list.

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 7:05am
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

More info for you on this, Jeff. I get the same Fatal Exception error if
I choose a file from the Recent Files list. Any file at all.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 8:02pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> >       Thats whacky. OKay, I'll have to investigate it later.. I'm in
> > the
> > middle of a number of things and tied up for a few days. Let me know
> > the
> > exact error again (or I can go back through mail and find it), and
> > I'll
> > look into it in awhile.
> 
> Okay. Here's the exact message ...
> 
> 	Fatal Alert:
> 
> 	Fatal Exception
> 
> 	Reset
> 
> I get that when attempting a File Link execution, as well as when
> attempting to go to a file on the Recent Files list.

	Disabled hacks? You might have a buggy hack causing problems..

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 8:22pm
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Floats don't work

Jeff, if my memory is correct, I think you can make the floats generate
manually by going to DB4>Options>About/register,...and tap the word Datebk4
in the upper right by the pimblico emblem.


<snip>

That's what I tested. If you link to a float event on day 1, it works fine
using the goto. The next day, something happens that breaks the link. So in
link manager it says link to datekbook present. However the goto won't work
anymore.

I'll test it again tonight, and see if the link is maintained from day to
day (DB4 generates floating events at midnight).

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

Jeff Mitchell wrote:

>       Disabled hacks? You might have a buggy hack causing problems..
> 

Yep. All hacks disabled during testing, including doing a soft reset
after disabling them. Only use one hack at this point, anyway: McPhling.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 8:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

Cindy Greene wrote:
> 
> I had the same error message; drove me crazy and I almost stopped
> using
> Shadow. Couldn't find ANYTHING on a Fatal Exception in any manual,
> help
> file, anything.
> 
> Completely disappeared when I installed the latest upgrade; hasn't
> returned.
> 
> I love Shadow again...
> 
> Cindy
> 
> >       Thats whacky. OKay, I'll have to investigate it later.. I'm in
> > the
> > middle of a number of things and tied up for a few days. Let me know
> > the
> > exact error again (or I can go back through mail and find it), and
> > I'll
> > look into it in awhile.
> 
> > Okay. Here's the exact message ...
> 
>         Fatal Alert:
> 
>         Fatal Exception
> 
>         Reset
> 
> > I get that when attempting a File Link execution, as well as when
> > attempting to go to a file on the Recent Files list.
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I'm using Shadow 2.1.0. I think that's the latest. I'll check the Web
page.

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From: atebata61  <atebata61@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 8:43pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

Jeff -

been playing with jog-dial - nice!  

Something I'd like to suggest (you may be already on it) is:

In List View:

If item is selected and has children but is collapsed:
   Jog push, expand item to see children
   Back, collapse

If item is selected AND is allready expanded OR does not have 
children:
   Jog push, Open details window for that item
   Back, Deselect item

Aaron

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>   Main List View Screen:
>     Jog push, no selected: Select screen topmost item
>     Jog push, item selected: Open Details window for that item
>     Back, item selected: Deselect item
>     Back, no selection: Save and return to file selection screen
>     Jog scroll up/down, no selection: Page up/down
>     Jog scroll up/down, item selected: Select next/previous and 
keeps
>       new selection visible

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 10:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, atebata61 wrote:

> been playing with jog-dial - nice!  

	Someone else recommended the results of the various pushes,
etc. Kudos to the forum!

> If item is selected and has children but is collapsed:
>    Jog push, expand item to see children

	But then how do you get details? Push it to expand, push it again?

>    Back, collapse

	I think I'll leave these to the forum and the lad who invented
most of the jog ideas. (My only contribution was the category popup when
you hit Back at the file selection screen ;)

> If item is selected AND is allready expanded OR does not have 
> children:
>    Jog push, Open details window for that item
>    Back, Deselect item

	I'll wait..

		jeff

> 
> Aaron
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> >   Main List View Screen:
> >     Jog push, no selected: Select screen topmost item
> >     Jog push, item selected: Open Details window for that item
> >     Back, item selected: Deselect item
> >     Back, no selection: Save and return to file selection screen
> >     Jog scroll up/down, no selection: Page up/down
> >     Jog scroll up/down, item selected: Select next/previous and 
> keeps
> >       new selection visible
> 
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From: Scott Holmes  <swh_13@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 11:02pm
Subject: Re: Fonts still not sticking

The fonts do not stick for me either.  
   Handspring Visor Prism 
   Palm OS 3.5.2H1.5
   Shadow 2.1.0
   FontBucket v1.10

I don't have any hacks and I don't have Hackmaster installed.  I don't use a
launcher, just the default Palm Application Launcher.

I did not try this feature with the default Palm fonts as Jay mentioned.

I did install all the FontBucket fonts and then delete the fonts I did not want
to use.  When I go to the font picker I see 4 Palm OS fonts installed
   Palm OS   9
   Palm OS B 9
   Palm OS   12
   Palm OS B 12
(are these font bucket fonts or are these the standard Palm OS fonts?)  These
seem to be the fonts that are being defaulted back to,
   for Normal it is Palm OS   9
   for Bold it is Palm OS B 9

I did not try deleting these from FontBucket.

The fonts revert back as soon as I leave Shadow but are not affected by
powering off and powering on.

   > From: "::.jay.west" <email@j...>
   > Subject: Fonts still not sticking
   >
   > A few weeks ago I reported having trouble with my font prefs not sticking.
   > I had FontBucket installed and when I set an alternative font and then
   > switched to another app and then back to Shadow all my fonts settings
   > seemed to revert back to the Palm OS basic fonts.



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 11:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Fonts still not sticking

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Scott Holmes wrote:

> I don't have any hacks and I don't have Hackmaster installed.  I don't use a
> launcher, just the default Palm Application Launcher.

	Where did you get fontbucket from? My site or another? Perhaps
there are multiple versions of it floating around..

> I did install all the FontBucket fonts and then delete the fonts I did not want
> to use.  When I go to the font picker I see 4 Palm OS fonts installed
>    Palm OS   9
>    Palm OS B 9
>    Palm OS   12
>    Palm OS B 12
> (are these font bucket fonts or are these the standard Palm OS fonts?)  These
> seem to be the fonts that are being defaulted back to,
>    for Normal it is Palm OS   9
>    for Bold it is Palm OS B 9

	Those are all built in fonts; if thats all you see, then you're
not seeing any font bucket font packs.

> The fonts revert back as soon as I leave Shadow but are not affected
> by powering off and powering on.

	Revert back? These are built ins..

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 11:18pm
Subject: Re:Fatal Error on Deleting Files

JM>       Its on my list todo; the scanner routines shouldn't have such a
JM> flaw at all.. they shoudl automatically adjust to the version of the
JM> records in there.. but they're having troubles with some versions it
JM> appears. I've not fully investigated it however.. being drawn in too many
JM> directions (Mac desktop version, improving the windows desktop, the
JM> handheld some bug fixes, the handheld some features, keeping up with Palm
JM> OS, Sony, Handera.. no end of work :)

I can only imagine. Good luck keeping up with it all!

JM>       No; the scanners aren't scanner the file you're deleting.. theyr'e
JM> scanning all you rothe files, looking for files pointing to the one you're
JM> deleting. You could just hit No to that dialog and no worries :)

OK. Thanks.

Michael Rudnick
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From: anniebluesky  <annie@b...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:30pm
Subject: What is wrong?

I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 
 
I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet 
supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 
71) 
 
Just an added note. I am able to open other shadow files were created 
on the handheld. This one I created on the desktop a few days ago. I 
can view it on the handheld, but cannot open it on the desktop. If 
naming is a problem, it has a simple name "McDougall" without the 
quotes. And it reads "ShadowP-McDougall.XML" on the computer.
 
thanks...
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From: ffdet  <brad@f...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 0:11am
Subject: Re: New Item problem

I have had it happen several times but I have yet to try it 
intentionally ;)  I will do some testing on it in hour or two.  I had 
it happen today in a totally different situation.  It appeared to 
happen after moving a task from 0% completed to 100% completed on the 
desktop.  When I synced with my Visor it made a duplicate of the item 
I had placed at 100% and then moved everything under it as a 
sibling.  I'm not sure if that one was just a one time thing or what 
but I'll test that too.  I'll let you know a little later tonight.

Brad


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Is this 100% repeatable? If you get a file which is perfectly 
in
> sync on the handheld and desktop, then new item and delete it, does 
it
> always cause this problem?
> 
> 	If so, thats very helpful.. (we've been trying to nab this for
> awhile :)
> 
> 		jeff
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 0:14am
Subject: Re: What is wrong?

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, anniebluesky wrote:

> I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 
>  
> I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet 
> supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 
> 71) 
>  
> Just an added note. I am able to open other shadow files were created 
> on the handheld. This one I created on the desktop a few days ago. I 
> can view it on the handheld, but cannot open it on the desktop. If 
> naming is a problem, it has a simple name "McDougall" without the 
> quotes. And it reads "ShadowP-McDougall.XML" on the computer.

	I think this is getting answered twice (problem at yahoo?). 

	Sounds like you need to get Shadow 2.1.

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: Re: desktop files

On your desktop, open your xml file in something like notepad.  Make sure 
notepad's word wrap is off and count down to line 71.  Take a look at what's 
there, perhaps this will give a clue as to what is happening.  Likely there 
is some symbol/character that is not being handled properly.  You could cut 
and paste the section and post here.


>From: "anniebluesky" <annie@b...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [shadow-discuss] desktop files
>Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:58:24 -0000
>
>I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application.
>
>I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet
>supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line
>71)
>
>Just an added note. I am able to open other shadow files were created
>on the handheld. This one I created on the desktop a few days ago. I
>can view it on the handheld, but cannot open it on the desktop. If
>naming is a problem, it has a simple name "McDougall" without the
>quotes. And it reads "ShadowP-McDougall.XML" on the computer.
>
>thanks...
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 2:14am
Subject: Re: desktop files

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> On your desktop, open your xml file in something like notepad.  Make sure 
> notepad's word wrap is off and count down to line 71.  Take a look at what's 
> there, perhaps this will give a clue as to what is happening.  Likely there 
> is some symbol/character that is not being handled properly.  You could cut 
> and paste the section and post here.

	I dont' think these errors should occur in desktop 2.1, since it
supports international character sets (more or less). I wonder if I shoud
llet you guys help more, so I can spend my time working more :)

		jeff

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Khairil Yusof  <kaeru@p...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 0:27pm
Subject: RE: Individual seletion of expanded links

> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]

> Its a complex question; tapping in an item on the screen selects
> the item. Since those expanded-links do not really exist and are paert of
> the item, they work the same way. Tapping in them just selects the item,
> and when the item is selected, it (and everythign about it) is shown in
> reverse. Tapping on the link arrow for an expanded link is a extension for
> conveniance. Shadow doesn't understand the idea of selecting just an
> expanded linked thing.. its not a shadow item, it cannot be selected.

I thought it would be something like that, from observing the behaviour of
expanding a memo. The colour options would be nice (or shaded grey or
something for B/W) for people doing it this way.

I guess the best way if you want to have a lot of links (say more than 5) is
to use the Shadow way which is to create child items and individual links.
It's more powerful, but only an extra step.

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From: ~SS~  <annie@b...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 0:31pm
Subject: What is wrong?

I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 

I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 71) 

Just an added note. I am able to open other shadow files were created on the handheld. This one I created on the desktop a few days ago. I can view it on the handheld, but cannot open it on the desktop. If naming is a problem, it has a simple name "McDougall" without the quotes. And it reads "ShadowP-McDougall.XML" on the computer.

thanks...
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, fiatspider72 wrote:

> VFS support if using one of the Flash Adapters supported by the
> drivers from Kopsis Engineering.  Dave Kessler, President of Kopsis,
> has been very helpful to other developers to make their software VFS
> aware and not exclude the 3.1 OS.  You can get his contact info from
> the flashadapter-forum on Yahoo Groups or at kopsisengineering.com

	I think, somehow, some messages got doubled in the mailing list.

	I've modified my development version to check only for OS3.0.0 for
this; we'll see in testing if this is a problem.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 3:28pm
Subject: Re: Fonts still not sticking

Thanks for the reply Jeff,

Workflow on a Prism using 3.5.2 with all hacks disabled:

1) Launch Shadow, open Preferences, switch to next window
2) "Reset" current font settings (just to start with a clean slate)
3) Leave Normal as is, switch Bold to large Palm OS standard font. Click OK.
3) Click Ok to save prefs. Current list shows the font changes.
4) Switch to another list and fonts stay with the new settings.
5) Leave Shadow to TealPhone by hitting the Address hard button. It really
doesn't seem to matter which app I switch to, regardless I am not going
through my launcher (SilverScreen)
6) Return to Shadow by hitting my ToDo hard button (mapped).
7) Shadow loads the last list I had open and my bold font has reverted back
to the standard bold font and not the large one previously set.

I have tried switching other prefs (both check boxes and dropdowns) and
switched apps out and back in again and all of these prefs stick.

I have used Filez to look for any Coog prefs files that I can delete and
reset but haven't had any luck. Should I back up my lists and reinstall
Shadow?

I am stumped. Any other trouble shooting tips?

j.




> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:13:46 -0500 (EST)
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Fonts still not sticking
> 
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:
> 
>> A few weeks ago I reported having trouble with my font prefs not sticking. I
>> had FontBucket installed and when I set an alternative font and then
>> switched to another app and then back to Shadow all my fonts settings seemed
>> to revert back to the Palm OS basic fonts.
>> 
>> I have since removed FontBucket and all traces of fonts and simply tried
>> setting my bold font as another Palm OS base font and it still reverts back
>> to the default fonts. Any idea why this is happening? Jeff, can my
>> preferences be corrupted? All other prefs stick.
> 
> That is just too weird. Your'e the only one who has reported such
> an oddity. I think we went through the motions before but lets check..
> 
> Any Hacks enabled?
> 
>> Prism OS 3.5.2 Shadow 2.1.2b (although it was doing this in previous
>> releases too)
> 
> It was all developed on that configuration (Prism).
> 
> There has to be somethign whacky going on.
> 
> They reset back to normal as soon as you leave Shadow? Not after a
> hotsync or anything?
> 
> What Launcher? Maybe you've got somethign that messes with the
> prefs..
> 
> jeff
> 
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> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 5:49pm
Subject: RE: Shadow vs Life Balance

GTD wasn't mentioned at all?  Why try to send him to an unrelated group?
If he's not using the Getting Things Done System, but is asking about
how Shadow and LifeBalance compare to each other, that just doesn't make
any sense.

Jen

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim McPike [mailto:tim@t...]
> I suggest you post this on the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group.
> 
> --- Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:
> > I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance,
and
> > have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a
recently
> > registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance for the last
> > week or so.
> >
> > If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me
know.
> >

From: aschell98  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: Re: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

> > Which is precisely why I'm anxiously waiting for the import 
unchecked only 
> > feature which Jeff said he might add to the import.  He says to 
keep bugging 
> > him about this, and I plan to do my best ;)
> 
> 	Tee hee :)
> 
> 	I'll see what I can do tonight..
> 
> 		jeff

ooooohhhhh, I'm on the edge of my seat!

From: Russ & Ling  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:31am
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, atebata61 wrote:
>
> > been playing with jog-dial - nice!
>
> Someone else recommended the results of the various pushes,
> etc. Kudos to the forum!
>

It's actually very close to standard jog dial behavior.  I figured if I
suggest it first I'll get a better chance of it working the way I want :)

> > If item is selected and has children but is collapsed:
> >    Jog push, expand item to see children
>
> But then how do you get details? Push it to expand, push it again?
>
> >    Back, collapse
>
> I think I'll leave these to the forum and the lad who invented
> most of the jog ideas. (My only contribution was the category popup when
> you hit Back at the file selection screen ;)
>
> > If item is selected AND is allready expanded OR does not have
> > children:
> >    Jog push, Open details window for that item
> >    Back, Deselect item
>

My first reaction was 'that's cool,' but, alas, I don't think it'd work.
The hiccup comes in when you scroll to an already expanded item, decide to
deselect it, and press the Back button.  Instead of deselecting, it's now
collapsed.  Oops.  Don't want to accidentally mess up the view.  It'd be
nice to expand/collapse without the stylus...I haven't figured out how to do
it without introducing unnecessary complexity or other problems.

By the way, I just got my MemoryStick, courtesy of Sony rebate.  VFS works
great.  I also saw the blank name under the Copy/Move to card popup.  Once I
gave the MemoryStick a name (through cardInfo, I think), it shows up in the
popup.  Jeff, you mentioned before you might do a category thingie for the
card.  Is that still on your list?  It would be nice to assign categories to
the card files and have them show up along with internal files, perhaps with
a dot prepended to the name to show it's on external storage (a la
MegaLauncher).

Ling

From: Jacob Share  <jshare@i...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 11:58am
Subject: Re: desktop files

I did some testing and I found that international support may work for some users but it probably does not when the OS is non-Latin-oriented (e.g. Hebrew, Sanskrit), even if you are only trying to use Latin-oriented characters (e.g. French, German). If you want to know how I arrived at that conclusion, read on (it's somewhat long, but I think it helps).

I was having the same problem so here's what I did to test international character support:

Hardware & Software:
Desktop:
-Windows XP Hebrew with English Enabled (this means an English interface on the Hebrew version of the OS), with French language settings also enabled
- Visor Prism, OS 3.5.2H1.5, Shadow 2.1.0

On the PDA:
I created a checklist called 'Char Test - PDA' with one item. In the note for that item, I entered all the lower case characters from the OS Int'l keyboard.
On the Desktop:
I created a checklist called 'Char Test - Desktop', with two items. The first item tests French characters and accents. The second item tests Hebrew characters and accents. 

The Testing:
After saving the new file, I tried to reopen it in the Shadow Desktop and I got the error message about a problem on line 9. Windows Notepad revealed that line 9 was where the French characters were. However, in Notepad, they were now replaced with question marks, probably due to the built-in Hebrew support which doesn't recognize these letters (I could still see the Hebrew letters I tested on line 17). I deleted line 9 (removing the French characters) and saved my changes. Upon trying to reopen the file in Desktop, I got the error message about international characters on line 16 (with line 9 gone, 17 was now 16). The Hebrew characters were no good. This wasn't a surprise since I'm pretty sure that Jeff only claims to support Latin-oriented languages like French and German. In Notepad I removed line 16 (the Hebrew). No longer having any international characters, the file now opened easily in Desktop.

I then synchronized.

Now the only thing remained to see how 'Char Test - PDA' would react. Shadow Desktop refused to open it and showed the international error. Going into Notepad I could see the line with the Int'l characters but interestingly enough, they had now been transformed into Hebrew characters.

My conclusion:
International support may work for some users but it does not when the OS is non-Latin-oriented, because then the OS will try to convert the characters to something it is more familiar with and which the Palm OS isn't. One piece of strangeness - the international characters I entered on the Palm were displayed as Hebrew characters in Notepad whereas the same characters I typed directly into Shadow Desktop appeared as question marks in Notepad.

Possible Solutions?
Since Shadow files are XML, I believe that the Shadow Desktop should have no problem displaying ascii symbol codes, like '&', which are normally used in HTML (it's already displaying some of these as it is). Would it be possible for a future Shadow Desktop to convert international characters to their ascii equivalent when one tries to view a Shadow file? (no clue how much work that would entail) I believe this would allow non-Latin-OS-users to view files with Latin international characters.

there ya go

Jacob

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] desktop files


  On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

  > On your desktop, open your xml file in something like notepad.  Make sure 
  > notepad's word wrap is off and count down to line 71.  Take a look at what's 
  > there, perhaps this will give a clue as to what is happening.  Likely there 
  > is some symbol/character that is not being handled properly.  You could cut 
  > and paste the section and post here.

        I dont' think these errors should occur in desktop 2.1, since it
  supports international character sets (more or less). I wonder if I shoud
  llet you guys help more, so I can spend my time working more :)

              jeff


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 0:53pm
Subject: Re: What is wrong?

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, ~SS~ wrote:

> I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 
> 
> I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet
> supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 71)

	Already answered a few times.

	I'm betting you need to get Shadow 2.1 instead of 2.0; other
replies detail why :)

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 1:01pm
Subject: Re: Fonts still not sticking

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:

> Workflow on a Prism using 3.5.2 with all hacks disabled:
> 
> 1) Launch Shadow, open Preferences, switch to next window
> 2) "Reset" current font settings (just to start with a clean slate)
> 3) Leave Normal as is, switch Bold to large Palm OS standard font. Click OK.
> 3) Click Ok to save prefs. Current list shows the font changes.
> 4) Switch to another list and fonts stay with the new settings.
> 5) Leave Shadow to TealPhone by hitting the Address hard button. It really
> doesn't seem to matter which app I switch to, regardless I am not going
> through my launcher (SilverScreen)
> 6) Return to Shadow by hitting my ToDo hard button (mapped).
> 7) Shadow loads the last list I had open and my bold font has reverted back
> to the standard bold font and not the large one previously set.
> 
> I am stumped. Any other trouble shooting tips?

	Nope; I think our best bet is to let me get dirty with it. IT
sound slike a bug that afflicts only very specific units. I have a "safety
reset fonts" routine that does sanity checks and resets the fonts to
normal if it sees a problem.. chances are thats whats resetting you. The
question is.. what does it think is not right here.

	Anyway, you keep bugging me and I'll get to it in a bit (my
development version is very mcuh in-transit right now :)

		jeff

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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Russ & Ling wrote:

> The hiccup comes in when you scroll to an already expanded item, decide to
> deselect it, and press the Back button.  Instead of deselecting, it's now
> collapsed.  Oops.  Don't want to accidentally mess up the view.  It'd be
> nice to expand/collapse without the stylus...I haven't figured out how to do
> it without introducing unnecessary complexity or other problems.

	Agreed.

> By the way, I just got my MemoryStick, courtesy of Sony rebate.  VFS works
> great.  I also saw the blank name under the Copy/Move to card popup.  Once I
> gave the MemoryStick a name (through cardInfo, I think), it shows up in the
> popup.  Jeff, you mentioned before you might do a category thingie for the

	Ahh; my stick had a default name of "Card" or something.

> card.  Is that still on your list?  It would be nice to assign
> categories to the card files and have them show up along with internal
> files, perhaps with a dot prepended to the name to show it's on
> external storage (a la MegaLauncher).

	I'll likely add a category system, but it will be different than
the handheld categories. ie: When you edit the handheld categories, you're
in an OS routine. You can delete 5 categories, and theres no way I'd know
exactly what happened.. did you rename them, or delete them? No way to
know (and it matters, for file merging, location, etc). So if I add
category support, I either revamp the entire category system (so I dont'
use the OS at all), or I create a second one just for the VFS.. we shall
see.

		jeff

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sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jacob Share  <jshare@i...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 1:12pm
Subject: Re: What is wrong?

Hey Annie, which OS are you using on your computer?

Jacob

Nice ascii signature, btw
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: ~SS~ 
  Cc: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] What is wrong?


  On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, ~SS~ wrote:

  > I am unable to open a shadow file from the desktop application. 
  > 
  > I get this message: Could not open file! Perhaps found not yet
  > supported international characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 71)

        Already answered a few times.

        I'm betting you need to get Shadow 2.1 instead of 2.0; other
  replies detail why :)

              jeff

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 1:25pm
Subject: Re: desktop files

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Jacob Share wrote:

> I did some testing and I found that international support may work for
> some users but it probably does not when the OS is non-Latin-oriented
> (e.g. Hebrew, Sanskrit), even if you are only trying to use
> Latin-oriented characters (e.g. French, German). If you want to know
> how I arrived at that conclusion, read on (it's somewhat long, but I
> think it helps).

	Its much more complex than that, actually. For example, many many
Chinese and Japanese folks use the desktop with no problem.

	The limiting factor is Windows, actually. Most Windows do not
understand Unicode, and with some you can get a Unicode DLL to make it
understand.. but not all. And that unicode support isn't complete.. its
different on Win95 than Win98. So rather than get into a "your Win98 has
half support of unicode, and your version supports it all..." type
problems, with a huge mess.. I went with a nonunicode approach, since all
Windows support non-Unicode reasonably well. This means that you need
correct fonts for special languages, but that most latin and local
languages work. So if you're using Chinese Windows, you can open up
western and chinese languages. If you're in France, you can open wwestern
languages (including French), but not Chinese -- your Windows just doesn't
understand Chinese encodings.

	It is a very complex topic with a number of worms that I'm only
beginning to understand. Blame Microsoft. And making everythign work for
the entire planet really is complex :)

> I was having the same problem so here's what I did to test
> international character support:
> 
> -Windows XP Hebrew with English Enabled (this means an English
> interface on the Hebrew version of the OS), with French language
> settings also enabled
> - Visor Prism, OS 3.5.2H1.5, Shadow 2.1.0

	Being in Hebrew mode.. Hebrew should work, right?

> I created a checklist called 'Char Test - PDA' with one item. In the
> note for that item, I entered all the lower case characters from the
> OS Int'l keyboard. On the Desktop: I created a checklist called 'Char
> Test - Desktop', with two items. The first item tests French
> characters and accents. The second item tests Hebrew characters and
> accents.
> 
> After saving the new file, I tried to reopen it in the Shadow Desktop
> and I got the error message about a problem on line 9. Windows Notepad
> revealed that line 9 was where the French characters were. However, in
> Notepad, they were now replaced with question marks, probably due to
> the built-in Hebrew support which doesn't recognize these letters (I
> could still see the Hebrew letters I tested on line 17). I deleted
> line 9 (removing the French characters) and saved my changes. Upon
> trying to reopen the file in Desktop, I got the error message about
> international characters on line 16 (with line 9 gone, 17 was now 16).
> The Hebrew characters were no good. This wasn't a surprise since I'm
> pretty sure that Jeff only claims to support Latin-oriented languages
> like French and German. In Notepad I removed line 16 (the Hebrew). No
> longer having any international characters, the file now opened easily
> in Desktop.

	It actually supports much more than Latin; I didn't expect it
would, but it does ;)

> International support may work for some users but it does not when the
> OS is non-Latin-oriented, because then the OS will try to convert the
> characters to something it is more familiar with and which the Palm OS
> isn't. One piece of strangeness - the international characters I
> entered on the Palm were displayed as Hebrew characters in Notepad
> whereas the same characters I typed directly into Shadow Desktop
> appeared as question marks in Notepad.

	Actually, to make it more compatible, Hmm. I'm trying to think of
how to explain it easily, but it doesn't comeout easily so I'll skip it.

	Chinese works because the palm encoding of chinese i the same or
similar as it is on the desktop; Shadow *doesn't know* its talking
chinese.. but it works, because it just assumes its talking "the current
thing".

	So if you're in hebrew mode, hebrew should work for you (though
I've learned Hebrew is the real testing ground; it breaks damned near
everything.. tough language to imeplement I guess).

> Since Shadow files are XML, I believe that the Shadow Desktop should
> have no problem displaying ascii symbol codes, like '&', which are
> normally used in HTML (it's already displaying some of these as it
> is). Would it be possible for a future Shadow Desktop to convert
> international characters to their ascii equivalent when one tries to
> view a Shadow file? (no clue how much work that would entail) I
> believe this would allow non-Latin-OS-users to view files with Latin
> international characters.

	Its much more complex than that; Encoding on disk is one thing,
display is another, and translation another. Consider the range of
characters enterable (65000 or so :), so keeping a big map of translations
to ascii is possible, but ugly.. but you have multiple encodings to
support in text, etc. Getting it back and forth to internal representation
is one part. Displaying it in Windows is a huge pain. Its not lke &
becomes "&" magicly ;)

		jeff

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From: Tim McPike  <tim@t...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 3:46pm
Subject: RE: Shadow vs Life Balance

Yeah, but he liked the group!  Serendipity :)

P.S.  Being over 50, I don't have to make sense any more.

--- PocketGoddess <jen@p...> wrote:
> GTD wasn't mentioned at all?  Why try to send him to an unrelated group?
> If he's not using the Getting Things Done System, but is asking about
> how Shadow and LifeBalance compare to each other, that just doesn't make
> any sense.
> 
> Jen
> 
> ----------------
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> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim McPike [mailto:tim@t...]
> > I suggest you post this on the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group.
> > 
> > --- Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:
> > > I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance,
> and
> > > have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a
> recently
> > > registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance for the last
> > > week or so.
> > >
> > > If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me
> know.
> > > 
> 
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From: Jacob Share  <jshare@i...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Re: desktop files

>      Being in Hebrew mode.. Hebrew should work, >right?

Actually, my Prism doesn't have Hebrew installed, I only use it in English
and in French. As for Hebrew in general, I think it's tough because it's a
non-Latin character set that's read from right-to-left. Of course there are
other similar languages, like Arabic.

So basically, you think this is a font-oriented solution? How does Shadow
Desktop pick it's display font, or, where do I need to change fonts in the
Display Properties?

Jacob

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

On my HE 330 the jod dial actually changes the position of items in the list without promoting or demoting them. For instance, say I have the following entries
I Title
   A. Item 1
   B. Item 2
I highlight B and push the Jog dial up and B moves ahead of A, exchanging positions. Any children of B move with it. This is very handy, actually, when editing databases or trying to move an item to the top of a list.
 
Bert
  Russ & Ling <rnlnero@y...> wrote: ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, atebata61 wrote:
>
> > been playing with jog-dial - nice!
>
> Someone else recommended the results of the various pushes,
> etc. Kudos to the forum!
>

It's actually very close to standard jog dial behavior.  I figured if I
suggest it first I'll get a better chance of it working the way I want :)

> > If item is selected and has children but is collapsed:
> >    Jog push, expand item to see children
>
> But then how do you get details? Push it to expand, push it again?
>
> >    Back, collapse
>
> I think I'll leave these to the forum and the lad who invented
> most of the jog ideas. (My only contribution was the category popup when
> you hit Back at the file selection screen ;)
>
> > If item is selected AND is allready expanded OR does not have
> > children:
> >    Jog push, Open details window for that item
> >    Back, Deselect item
>

My first reaction was 'that's cool,' but, alas, I don't think it'd work.
The hiccup comes in when you scroll to an already expanded item, decide to
deselect it, and press the Back button.  Instead of deselecting, it's now
collapsed.  Oops.  Don't want to accidentally mess up the view.  It'd be
nice to expand/collapse without the stylus...I haven't figured out how to do
it without introducing unnecessary complexity or other problems.

By the way, I just got my MemoryStick, courtesy of Sony rebate.  VFS works
great.  I also saw the blank name under the Copy/Move to card popup.  Once I
gave the MemoryStick a name (through cardInfo, I think), it shows up in the
popup.  Jeff, you mentioned before you might do a category thingie for the
card.  Is that still on your list?  It would be nice to assign categories to
the card files and have them show up along with internal files, perhaps with
a dot prepended to the name to show it's on external storage (a la
MegaLauncher).

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 7:54pm
Subject: Re: desktop files

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Jacob Share wrote:

> and in French. As for Hebrew in general, I think it's tough because it's a
> non-Latin character set that's read from right-to-left. Of course there are
> other similar languages, like Arabic.
> 
> So basically, you think this is a font-oriented solution? How does Shadow
> Desktop pick it's display font, or, where do I need to change fonts in the
> Display Properties?

	Shadow uses the current default windows font; I will be adding
font selection soon, I've just not had time to do so :(

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: ffdet  <brad@f...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:32pm
Subject: Re: New Item problem

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "ffdet" <brad@f...> wrote:
> 
>  I have had it happen several times but I have yet to try it 
> intentionally ;)  I will do some testing on it in hour or two.  I 
had 
> it happen today in a totally different situation.  It appeared to 
> happen after moving a task from 0% completed to 100% completed on 
the 
> desktop.  When I synced with my Visor it made a duplicate of the 
item 
> I had placed at 100% and then moved everything under it as a 
> sibling.  I'm not sure if that one was just a one time thing or 
what 
> but I'll test that too.  I'll let you know a little later tonight.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > 	Is this 100% repeatable? If you get a file which is perfectly 
> in
> > sync on the handheld and desktop, then new item and delete it, 
does 
> it
> > always cause this problem?
> > 
> > 	If so, thats very helpful.. (we've been trying to nab this for
> > awhile :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> >

From: ffdet  <brad@f...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:32pm
Subject: Re: New Item problem

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "ffdet" <brad@f...> wrote:
> 
>  I have had it happen several times but I have yet to try it 
> intentionally ;)  I will do some testing on it in hour or two.  I 
had 
> it happen today in a totally different situation.  It appeared to 
> happen after moving a task from 0% completed to 100% completed on 
the 
> desktop.  When I synced with my Visor it made a duplicate of the 
item 
> I had placed at 100% and then moved everything under it as a 
> sibling.  I'm not sure if that one was just a one time thing or 
what 
> but I'll test that too.  I'll let you know a little later tonight.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > 	Is this 100% repeatable? If you get a file which is perfectly 
> in
> > sync on the handheld and desktop, then new item and delete it, 
does 
> it
> > always cause this problem?
> > 
> > 	If so, thats very helpful.. (we've been trying to nab this for
> > awhile :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> >

From: ffdet  <brad@f...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: New Item problem

Well, this is frustrating. I had it happening numerous times on 
Tuesday and after an hour of testing last night I can't recreate it.  
I tried every combination of things I could think of but it's not 
acting up anymore.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "ffdet" <brad@f...> wrote:
> 
>  I have had it happen several times but I have yet to try it 
> intentionally ;)  I will do some testing on it in hour or two.  I 
had 
> it happen today in a totally different situation.  It appeared to 
> happen after moving a task from 0% completed to 100% completed on 
the 
> desktop.  When I synced with my Visor it made a duplicate of the 
item 
> I had placed at 100% and then moved everything under it as a 
> sibling.  I'm not sure if that one was just a one time thing or 
what 
> but I'll test that too.  I'll let you know a little later tonight.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > 	Is this 100% repeatable? If you get a file which is perfectly 
> in
> > sync on the handheld and desktop, then new item and delete it, 
does 
> it
> > always cause this problem?
> > 
> > 	If so, thats very helpful.. (we've been trying to nab this for
> > awhile :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> >

From: quantum_sequoia  <sdwinter@p...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 11:59pm
Subject: Minor Shadow v2.1 bug

Just reporting a little display glitch I noticed today - When in the 
New From dialog box, with To Do checked, Shadow shows a list of 
available To Do items. The intent is to scroll through this list and 
pick one to become a Shadow item. It the title of any of the To Do 
items is longer than the width of the list box, the title spills out 
through the scroll bar and beyond. Scrolling the list rewrites the 
scroll bar but leave little text fragments on the right side of the 
scroll bar.

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

I just wanted to confirm that I have the beta of Shadow running on my HE330, totally off a CF card. The HE 330 uses an application called "AutoCard" to run applications directly from the card and provide access to databases for apps that are not VFS-enabled. I have Shadow in this folder. THen I have all my Shadow documents, including active documents to which I am writing regularly, running in the Shadow subdirectory. So far everything is running perfectly. The only difference I notice is that Shadow is slower closing a document as it reads it back to the card.
This is a very satisfactory solution!
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From: cptguy@a...
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:22pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 423

In a message dated 3/7/2002 2:48:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com writes:


> Message: 10
>    Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:12:49 -0500 (EST)
>    From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Fonts still not sticking
> 
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Scott Holmes wrote:
> 
> > I don't have any hacks and I don't have Hackmaster installed.  I don't 
> use a
> > launcher, just the default Palm Application Launcher.
> 
>     Where did you get fontbucket from? My site or another? Perhaps
> there are multiple versions of it floating around..
> 
> > I did install all the FontBucket fonts and then delete the fonts I did 
> not want
> > to use.  When I go to the font picker I see 4 Palm OS fonts installed
> >    Palm OS   9
> >    Palm OS B 9
> >    Palm OS   12
> >    Palm OS B 12
> > (are these font bucket fonts or are these the standard Palm OS fonts?)  
> These
> > seem to be the fonts that are being defaulted back to,
> >    for Normal it is Palm OS   9
> >    for Bold it is Palm OS B 9
> 
>     Those are all built in fonts; if thats all you see, then you're
> not seeing any font bucket font packs.
> 
> > The fonts revert back as soon as I leave Shadow but are not affected
> > by powering off and powering on.
> 
>     Revert back? These are built ins..
> 
>         jeff
> 
> 

I am having the same problem, fonts not sticking. Using Font Bucket v1.01 are 
there later versions? using shadow 2.1.2 + native apps + DB4. etc.Thanks in 
advance for any help.


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From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 8:27am
Subject: Return 2 Shadow hangup

Jeff,

I'm only posting this because I know someone else posted a similar
effect some time ago.  I'll tell you up front I have not been able to
repeat it yet, so I'm not sure its a bug.

Kyocera 6035, OS 3.5.1, SP v2.1.2 (new beta)

I was in a meeting taking notes in a new file (unsaved), created a
Todo on a note I had, jumped out set the details (DBK4 stable beta
5.0a pL), setup my Linker (hack) jump back in the note using the handy
SP label there...

Here I lost track, but I think I jumped back with the Linker link then
realized I forgot an icon, used Goto Link again, then the Home button
to get back. (I think...)

Kept on taking notes without explicitly saving.  When done, just hit
Home to go play in DateBk and I got.  "You must select an entry first"
(its the message you get when you don't have an item selected and you
hit a "move item" icon)

I selected an item, hit Home, screen flashed (replot) undoing
highlight, repeat ad infinitum...

Closed the file, got file screen, hit Home, screen flashed, repeat ad
infinitum...

Hit "Phone" silk-screen button (remember its a Kyocera, no calc
button), got the Phone app, (ok!) hit Home, up comes SP, .... arghhh!
 
I could not get out of SP!  I did a soft reset.  Up comes SP instead
of my Launcher!  Hit Home, can't get out...  ooooh nooooo!

Went to preferences and unchecked "return to shadow after goto" and
got a dialog box with a message about "...some models don't like
this...".  Went back, jumped out to Todo and hit Home from DBK4, got
my Launcher ... finally!

Question, did that dialog box with the model variation warning now
apply to me since you changed something in 2.1.2?  I have not changed
anything on my Palm except for the most recent beta of DBK4, which is
almost release level, very stable...

I realize I use hacks, but I've used the same version hacks for months
now without this problem...

If I manage to recreate this I'll give you an exact sequence.

Ken

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 1:17pm
Subject: Re: Minor Shadow v2.1 bug

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, quantum_sequoia wrote:

> Just reporting a little display glitch I noticed today - When in the
> New From dialog box, with To Do checked, Shadow shows a list of
> available To Do items. The intent is to scroll through this list and
> pick one to become a Shadow item. It the title of any of the To Do
> items is longer than the width of the list box, the title spills out
> through the scroll bar and beyond. Scrolling the list rewrites the
> scroll bar but leave little text fragments on the right side of the
> scroll bar.

	Gotcha; added to my list :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 1:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

>  I just wanted to confirm that I have the beta of Shadow running on my
> HE330, totally off a CF card. The HE 330 uses an application called
> "AutoCard" to run applications directly from the card and provide
> access to databases for apps that are not VFS-enabled. I have Shadow
> in this folder. THen I have all my Shadow documents, including active
> documents to which I am writing regularly, running in the Shadow
> subdirectory. So far everything is running perfectly. The only
> difference I notice is that Shadow is slower closing a document as it
> reads it back to the card.

	Excellent! For my Clie, I'm using PiDirect successfully to run
Shadow from card, though I keep most of my data internal (so I can use
categories). Though less used and big shadow docs I keep off in
cardspace..

	I will have to add categories to the card sometime.

> This is a very satisfactory solution!

	Glad to hear!

		jeff

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