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4401

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 0:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: New From problems?

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, kenclatham wrote:

>    I *hate* this...  a private, Personal category, appointment on
> March 11 did not show up!  Still working with all builtins and not
> having started DBK4 *at all*, I opened DateBook.  The record was
> there!
> 
>    Worse yet, none of my repeats showed up!  Now, just maybe, you did
> *this* on purpose, 'cause, after all, where would you jump to?

	It could be the repeats throwing things off; they're a little
weirdly done, so it might be throwing my counts off or something.

>    Do you know of any tools to thoroughly check the builtin DBs for
> errors?  Although I've never noticed *any* problems *ever*...

	Don't sweat it. New From is reasonably complex and there is likely
an issue with it. Lets check there first before you get paranoid :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4402

From: awd3034  <awd3034@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 0:52pm
Subject: Newbie help--to do's

 
Thank you for your kindness in offering to help.

I hope to use Shadow as a project manager.  The project has several 
subprojects, and several people to whom tasks are assigned.  I want 
to be able to search by project (what taks need to be done on project 
1?) and by person (What tasks are assigned to John Smith?).

I have tried assigning a top-level line for each subproject, that 
works easily.  But how do I assign tasks to an individual in a way 
that allows me to search by that person?  I tried linking each task 
to an addressbook entry, but then I can't figure out how to search on 
that individual's name.

Given how powerful Shadow seems to be, what am I missing on this?

Awd
4403

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: Re: Re: More New From problems

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> BTW, I was doing a global find yesterday and got a match in one of my 
> Shadow lists. When I followed that match, it brought me to the right 
> list, and the match had been highlighted, but way out of sight. I had 
> to scroll all the way through my list to see it. Could you make that 
> match appear somewhere at the middle of the screen? Also, I noticed 

	It should; I think I found an oddity that could sometimes occur,
before 2.0 or 2.1. Try 2.1 to be sure.

> that the filter I had defined for that list was no longer active 
> which effectively tripled the visible size of the list and made it 
> much harder to navigate through. When I opened the list from Shadow 

	Since the item could be filtered, I have Shadow release the filter
on Find based loads.. keeps things a little cleaner for me, and guarantees
you see thigs for you :)

> directly, the filter does kick in. Can you also do this for when a 
> list is accessed through the global find function?

	Do what? Center on find? It should.

> P.S.: concerning the original cycling issue, do you think that this 
> could be an OS bug or is it still something Shadow-related? And even 
> if it's an OS bug, can you work around it? It seems to me that if you 
> pick a week, you want to see all todo's starting from the beginning 
> of that week, not an arbitrary other day, depending on how many times 
> you select it.

	I think its an OS feature that just doesn't happen to apply to
us. I'm not sure it can be disabled. I'll have to look into it :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4404

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: RE: Newbie help--to do's

 
You're missing tags.

This is a feature Jeff has planned for the future. You will be able to tag
each item in a list with one or more fields (e.g. person to whom task is
assigned), and then filter (and sort?) by the tag fields. Did I get that
right Jeff?

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: awd3034 [mailto:awd3034@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:53 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Newbie help--to do's
>
>
> Thank you for your kindness in offering to help.
>
> I hope to use Shadow as a project manager.  The project has several
> subprojects, and several people to whom tasks are assigned.  I want
> to be able to search by project (what taks need to be done on project
> 1?) and by person (What tasks are assigned to John Smith?).
>
> I have tried assigning a top-level line for each subproject, that
> works easily.  But how do I assign tasks to an individual in a way
> that allows me to search by that person?  I tried linking each task
> to an addressbook entry, but then I can't figure out how to search on
> that individual's name.
>
> Given how powerful Shadow seems to be, what am I missing on this?
>
> Awd
>
>
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4405

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:06pm
Subject: RE: "New From" doesn't import *private* entries !

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Franz-Josef Knelangen wrote:

> > I *hate* this...  a private, Personal category, appointment on
> > March 11 did not show up!  Still working with all builtins and not
> > having started DBK4 *at all*, I opened DateBook.  The record was
> > there!
> 
> I think you got it: After changing some entries not showing up from private
> to normal they do show up next time.
> 
> I didn't find an option "don't import private records" in shadow so I would
> think this is really a hidden feature. Jeff: if you correct this: it would
> be a *good* idea to make this a toggle [if it already exists I hope s.o.
> points me in the right direction ...]

	Ah yes; yeah, some OS routines handle protected records
differently.. I might be messing it up somewhere. If you set your device
to unlocked, does everythign work fine?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4406

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:12pm
Subject: Re: Newbie help--to do's

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, awd3034 wrote:

> I hope to use Shadow as a project manager.  The project has several 
> subprojects, and several people to whom tasks are assigned.  I want 
> to be able to search by project (what taks need to be done on project 
> 1?) and by person (What tasks are assigned to John Smith?).

	A tough one.

> I have tried assigning a top-level line for each subproject, that 
> works easily.  But how do I assign tasks to an individual in a way 
> that allows me to search by that person?  I tried linking each task 
> to an addressbook entry, but then I can't figure out how to search on 
> that individual's name.
> 
> Given how powerful Shadow seems to be, what am I missing on this?

	I am intending on adding a mega feature to let you do exactly this
sort of thing. However, I've justy not had time to add it in..

	I could add an option to the Shadow find system, to let it scan
address links (just like there is an option to scan notes). That could be
slow, looking up each of the links, but it shoudl be okay for lists that
aren't gigantic.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4407

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: RE: Newbie help--to do's

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> You're missing tags.
> 
> This is a feature Jeff has planned for the future. You will be able to tag
> each item in a list with one or more fields (e.g. person to whom task is
> assigned), and then filter (and sort?) by the tag fields. Did I get that
> right Jeff?

	*hint* *jab* :)

	Exactly right. Sooner rather than later, too.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4408

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: Re: More New From problems

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:
> 
> > BTW, I was doing a global find yesterday and got a match in
> one of my Shadow lists. When I followed that match, it brought
> me to the right list, and the match had been highlighted, but
> way out of sight. I had to scroll all the way through my list
> to see it. Could you make that match appear somewhere at the
> middle of the screen? Also, I noticed 
> 
> 	It should; I think I found an oddity that could sometimes
> occur, before 2.0 or 2.1. Try 2.1 to be sure.

I do have 2.1 so there might be something else going on. I just tried 
deactivating all my hacks but the result was the same. I enter the 
list at about half a screen below the bottom of the list. In other 
words, the list is scrolled beyond the point that Shadow would 
normally let me go. When I scroll up, I see the highlighted item.

In case it matters: I have an m505 with OS 4.0.

> 	Since the item could be filtered, I have Shadow release
> the filter on Find based loads.. keeps things a little cleaner
> for me, and guarantees you see thigs for you :)

Ummm... yes, that makes sense to me. Good thinking. :)

> 	I think its an OS feature that just doesn't happen to apply
> to us. I'm not sure it can be disabled. I'll have to look into
> it :/

I'm not sure if the Palm OS has the proper date/time functions for 
this (specifically a day-of-the-week function), but perhaps you could 
determine the starting date of the week returned by the date picker 
yourself? For example, if the date picker returns a Wednesday, you 
could have the New From dialog use the preceding Monday (or Sunday, 
based on your preferences) instead. Would that help?

Roy.
4409

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: More New From problems

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, rvanderwoning wrote:

> I'm not sure if the Palm OS has the proper date/time functions for 
> this (specifically a day-of-the-week function), but perhaps you could 
> determine the starting date of the week returned by the date picker 
> yourself? For example, if the date picker returns a Wednesday, you 
> could have the New From dialog use the preceding Monday (or Sunday, 
> based on your preferences) instead. Would that help?

	Thats pretty much what I'll be building alright. I just need to
look up where the beginning of the week preference is stored in the OS and
go from there.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4410

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 1:46pm
Subject: jog dial.. push in list?

 
When you're in a list, and an item is selected, and you push the
jog dial.. which should happen:

	1) Item Details is pulled up

	2) Item Details is pulled up, or mini editor, depending on your
pref?

	(ie: Is the jog dial analagous to hitting Details button, or
double-tapping?)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4411

From: Russ & Ling Nero  <rnlnero@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:25pm
Subject: Re: jog dial.. push in list?

 
I'd like to see it pull up Details.  If I'm planning to edit the item text,
I'll already have my stylus out and would double-tap.  I think I'd use the
jog dial to pull up Details to look at all the other attributes of the item.
Hmm...or if you go with what the pref says, and pushing jog dial pulls up
mini editor, maybe pushing jog dial again pulls up Details.  I think double
tapping is easier than double pushing, though.

Yeah, I'd like to see it pull up Details.

Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] jog dial.. push in list?


>
> When you're in a list, and an item is selected, and you push the
> jog dial.. which should happen:
>
> 1) Item Details is pulled up
>
> 2) Item Details is pulled up, or mini editor, depending on your
> pref?
>
> (ie: Is the jog dial analagous to hitting Details button, or
> double-tapping?)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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4412

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:27pm
Subject: Re: jog dial.. push in list?

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Russ & Ling Nero wrote:

> I'd like to see it pull up Details.  If I'm planning to edit the item text,
> I'll already have my stylus out and would double-tap.  I think I'd use the
> jog dial to pull up Details to look at all the other attributes of the item.
> Hmm...or if you go with what the pref says, and pushing jog dial pulls up
> mini editor, maybe pushing jog dial again pulls up Details.  I think double
> tapping is easier than double pushing, though.
> 
> Yeah, I'd like to see it pull up Details.

	OKay. The jog dial stuff is mostly following your recommendation
from a few days aog, so I'll go with you this time :)

	Ought release in a bit; worked my brains out last night.Hopefully
you can test it today :)

		jeff

> 
> Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:46 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] jog dial.. push in list?
> 
> 
> >
> > When you're in a list, and an item is selected, and you push the
> > jog dial.. which should happen:
> >
> > 1) Item Details is pulled up
> >
> > 2) Item Details is pulled up, or mini editor, depending on your
> > pref?
> >
> > (ie: Is the jog dial analagous to hitting Details button, or
> > double-tapping?)
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4413

From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Hi there, 
I have been doing some experiments with using MegaWiki to jump
back to a Shadow list through Shadow's new feature of appending the
originating file name to the todo's note field. MegaWiki is a popular and
free hack that can be configured to recognise certain bracketing tags as
hyperlinks to any file in any database on your Palm. Shadow's origin note
format of putting triple square brackets around the file name is *almost*
perfect for this use.

Shadow's format is [[[Shadow: File Name]]]

In my particular case I have discovered:

1) You can't use [ ] as MegaWiki's link tags for Shadow because it seems to
be trying the match a database in Shadow that starts with "Shadow: "
Example: [Shadow: File Name]

2) You can't use : ] because Shadow's format adds a space after the colon
and before the actual file name and MegaWiki ignores this as a link. There
must be no space between the tags and the link name.

I tried removing the space and the link works perfectly.
Example: [Shadow:File Name]


Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly" checkbox in the
prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note origin? That way
all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]

Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple as tapping on
the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag. MegaaWiki
then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding list, not just the
last list you had open.

Very cool.

j.
4414

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 2:45pm
Subject: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:

> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly" checkbox in the
> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note origin? That way
> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
> 
> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple as tapping on
> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag. MegaaWiki
> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding list, not just the
> last list you had open.

	Have you tried it? (edit the origin info to read like that, and
seen if Wiki works with it?) (though this adds the origin junk to the real
note, when Shadow opens it up :)

	I could drop the "Shadow: part for everyone, but not sure if that
would annoy folks. Not sure I want another option, for such a little
thing..

	You sure MegaWiki understands filenames wirth spaces in them?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4415

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:01pm
Subject: RE: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
What happens when the todo note contains more context than just the
filename, e.g. [[[Shadow: Filename>parent]]] ?

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ::.jay.west [mailto:email@j...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:34 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>
>
>
> Hi there,
> I have been doing some experiments with using MegaWiki to jump
> back to a Shadow list through Shadow's new feature of appending the
> originating file name to the todo's note field. MegaWiki is a popular and
> free hack that can be configured to recognise certain bracketing tags as
> hyperlinks to any file in any database on your Palm. Shadow's origin note
> format of putting triple square brackets around the file name is *almost*
> perfect for this use.
>
> Shadow's format is [[[Shadow: File Name]]]
>
> In my particular case I have discovered:
>
> 1) You can't use [ ] as MegaWiki's link tags for Shadow because
> it seems to
> be trying the match a database in Shadow that starts with "Shadow: "
> Example: [Shadow: File Name]
>
> 2) You can't use : ] because Shadow's format adds a space after the colon
> and before the actual file name and MegaWiki ignores this as a link. There
> must be no space between the tags and the link name.
>
> I tried removing the space and the link works perfectly.
> Example: [Shadow:File Name]
>
>
> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly" checkbox in the
> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note
> origin? That way
> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
>
> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple as tapping on
> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag. MegaaWiki
> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding list,
> not just the
> last list you had open.
>
> Very cool.
>
> j.
>
>
>
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4416

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 3:02pm
Subject: Re: Clie FontHack123 setup...

 
Just so everyone is aware, I setup faonthack for datebook the same as I did
for Shadow, and it crashes (thank God for Crash hack). I think the problem
is using the symbol fonts, and not having a symbol for untimed apptmnts.
Just wanted to share that in case anyone else needs it.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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yes Jen, i use the san 16 from Lubak's site on both programs, and it work
great.  then also use the one at the very bottom of his choices for
symbols...the note symbol, alarm symbol, checkboxes, etc...much crisper.
the setup for it is just as indicated on the site...for the symbols, off to
the left it shows which symbols to match to the named symbol font.
http://www.domino.sk/lubak/

for any trying to figure it out per program, basically like this...
go into the plus symbol on your font hack to open fonthack123.  then at the
top, choose the application you want to affect.  then you must change
several of the fonts listed below the line for that program to apply to
that program.  for instance, go below the line and click on Standard, which
then pops up above the line where you then click on the little arrow to the
right, scroll down to find the font you want to use as standard, click on
it.  then go below the line again to choose HrStandard, it pops at the top,
click the arrow and scroll to find the font you choose.  if you choose a
specific one, at the site lubak shows which to choose for standard, and
which for high res.

then, you do the symbol font.  look at the site and to the left for the
picture of what the font looks like for the one it should be...back to
choosing below the line in the setup again, for instance first clicking
Symbol, which then pops at the top, click the arrow to the right, and
scroll down to choose the boxes that match the ones shown on lubak's site
picture.  next choose Symbol 11, then Symbol 7, then down to HrSymbol,
HrSymbol 11, then HrSymbol 7, again clicking the arrow to the right each
time, and clicking down to choose the symbol picture to match the font
number as lubak's picture demonstrates.  then click Saveexit, go to the
program, and WOW!

Any other font types/names anyone has noted that must be used or changed in
certain programs to make things look better?

Enjoy,
Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: PocketGoddess
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Clie users


  Which symbols?  I haven't been following this discussion too closely
  since I have a 505, but I have been playing around with FontHack. Has
  anyone found a set of fonts that works well with AN and Shadow on that
  device??

  Jen



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4417

From: smasters@a...
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: Re: jog dial.. push in list?

 
I vote for details, but I could live with either.

Scott


                                                                                                                   
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           When you're in a list, and an item is selected, and you push the
jog dial.. which should happen:

           1) Item Details is pulled up

           2) Item Details is pulled up, or mini editor, depending on your
pref?

           (ie: Is the jog dial analagous to hitting Details button, or
double-tapping?)

                     jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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4418

From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:13pm
Subject: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Tested and confirmed Jeff, clicking on the note text of [[[List Name]]] does
jump you straight to Shadow and opens the corresponding "List Name" file. It
has no problems with any spaces in the file name just a space between the
link tags and the actual file name.

I know the issues of the "Shadow:" pre-text in the note came up originally
where you made a strong case for it. Another less obtrusive option could be
to simply remove the space after the colon like [[[Shadow:List Name]]] that
way you could specify the Shadow link tag as being :and] instead of [and].
This option has also been tested and works.

Samuel J. Radcliffe asked what would happen if you had the parent also
listed in the origin tag like [[[Shadow:List Name >parent]]] In this case
you would also need to setup a link tag in MegaWiki for [and> to be
recognised as a link back to Shadow. You would then need to remember to only
tap on the file name and not the parent. The only trouble with this right
now is that Shadow adds a space before the > If the origin note was changed
to read [[[Shadow:List Name>parent]]] without spaces before or after the
unique tags this idea would be airtight.

I am working both sides of the case here between the Shadow and MegaWiki
lists trying to find a solution. I appreciate this only being viable if
enough Shadow users are interested.

j.



> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:46 -0500 (EST)
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
> 
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:
> 
>> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly" checkbox in the
>> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note origin? That way
>> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
>> 
>> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple as tapping on
>> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag. MegaaWiki
>> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding list, not just the
>> last list you had open.
> 
> Have you tried it? (edit the origin info to read like that, and
> seen if Wiki works with it?) (though this adds the origin junk to the real
> note, when Shadow opens it up :)
> 
> I could drop the "Shadow: part for everyone, but not sure if that
> would annoy folks. Not sure I want another option, for such a little
> thing..
> 
> You sure MegaWiki understands filenames wirth spaces in them?
> 
> jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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4419

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:15pm
Subject: Re: jog dial.. push in list?

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 smasters@a... wrote:

> I vote for details, but I could live with either.

	I got a few quick replies, so I set it for Details (no mini
editor). We can change it later if need be.

		jeff

--
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4420

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:24pm
Subject: RE: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Count me in. It looks like a real winner, greatly increasing the value of
the shadow context in the todo note. I don't know why anyone should complain
about losing "Shadow: ". If you know shadow and linking, you immediately
recognize that what you're looking at is shadow context because of the
"[[[ ]]]". Of course I was one of the original arguers against the inclusion
of "Shadow: ", and I lost that one ;-)

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ::.jay.west [mailto:email@j...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:14 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>
>
>
> Tested and confirmed Jeff, clicking on the note text of [[[List
> Name]]] does
> jump you straight to Shadow and opens the corresponding "List
> Name" file. It
> has no problems with any spaces in the file name just a space between the
> link tags and the actual file name.
>
> I know the issues of the "Shadow:" pre-text in the note came up originally
> where you made a strong case for it. Another less obtrusive
> option could be
> to simply remove the space after the colon like [[[Shadow:List
> Name]]] that
> way you could specify the Shadow link tag as being :and] instead of [and].
> This option has also been tested and works.
>
> Samuel J. Radcliffe asked what would happen if you had the parent also
> listed in the origin tag like [[[Shadow:List Name >parent]]] In this case
> you would also need to setup a link tag in MegaWiki for [and> to be
> recognised as a link back to Shadow. You would then need to
> remember to only
> tap on the file name and not the parent. The only trouble with this right
> now is that Shadow adds a space before the > If the origin note
> was changed
> to read [[[Shadow:List Name>parent]]] without spaces before or after the
> unique tags this idea would be airtight.
>
> I am working both sides of the case here between the Shadow and MegaWiki
> lists trying to find a solution. I appreciate this only being viable if
> enough Shadow users are interested.
>
> j.
>
>
>
> > From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> > Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:46 -0500 (EST)
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:
> >
> >> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly"
> checkbox in the
> >> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note
> origin? That way
> >> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
> >>
> >> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple
> as tapping on
> >> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag.
> MegaaWiki
> >> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding
> list, not just the
> >> last list you had open.
> >
> > Have you tried it? (edit the origin info to read like that, and
> > seen if Wiki works with it?) (though this adds the origin junk
> to the real
> > note, when Shadow opens it up :)
> >
> > I could drop the "Shadow: part for everyone, but not sure if that
> > would annoy folks. Not sure I want another option, for such a little
> > thing..
> >
> > You sure MegaWiki understands filenames wirth spaces in them?
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> >
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> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
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4421

From: psvincent2000  <psvincent@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:42pm
Subject: Desktop shortcuts

 
Any progress on the undocumented shortcuts in the Desktop program 
yet?  :)  Is it possible, once you've written an item using the 
Desktop program, to promote or demote it (the way it can be done on 
the PPK using backspace and the space key)?  Or create a parent 
item?  It is nice to have the desktop program, but so far it is MUCH 
easier to manipulate lists on the handheld side.  So much so that I'm 
not using the desktop program, despite having registered it.  :(

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, psvincent2000 wrote:
> 
> > On the desktop side, is it possible to use keyboard shortcuts to 
> > start an item that is higher/lower/same level of hierarchy?  If 
not, 
> > maybe something like Alt-return to start a child, Shift-return to 
> > start an item at one level higher, and control-return to start a 
new 
> > one at the same level?
> 
> 	A whole pile of keys need to be defined; right now I have a
> undocumented set of ctrl-m and ctrl-n (new and new child). They may 
likely
> change in the future.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4422

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:51pm
Subject: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Add me to the list as well. I've started using MegaWiki only recently 
after reading some very enthusiastic posts in the peditors forum, and 
I have to say that I am more than impressed by its potential. 
Combining it with Shadow creates a dynamite solution.

Another way to go about this (maybe parallel to this initiative) is 
to ask Jerry (the MegaWiki guy) to develop a Shadow plugin. There are 
already several plugins available for other applications. I haven't 
really read into the specifics of the MW plugin architecture yet, but 
perhaps this would give Shadow a bit more flexibility in how it can 
format its origin history.

Roy.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...> wrote:
> Count me in. It looks like a real winner, greatly increasing the 
value of
> the shadow context in the todo note. I don't know why anyone should 
complain
> about losing "Shadow: ". If you know shadow and linking, you 
immediately
> recognize that what you're looking at is shadow context because of 
the
> "[[[ ]]]". Of course I was one of the original arguers against the 
inclusion
> of "Shadow: ", and I lost that one ;-)
> 
> ...Sam
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ::.jay.west [mailto:email@j...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:14 AM
> > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using 
MegaWiki
> >
> >
> >
> > Tested and confirmed Jeff, clicking on the note text of [[[List
> > Name]]] does
> > jump you straight to Shadow and opens the corresponding "List
> > Name" file. It
> > has no problems with any spaces in the file name just a space 
between the
> > link tags and the actual file name.
> >
> > I know the issues of the "Shadow:" pre-text in the note came up 
originally
> > where you made a strong case for it. Another less obtrusive
> > option could be
> > to simply remove the space after the colon like [[[Shadow:List
> > Name]]] that
> > way you could specify the Shadow link tag as being :and] instead 
of [and].
> > This option has also been tested and works.
> >
> > Samuel J. Radcliffe asked what would happen if you had the parent 
also
> > listed in the origin tag like [[[Shadow:List Name >parent]]] In 
this case
> > you would also need to setup a link tag in MegaWiki for [and> to 
be
> > recognised as a link back to Shadow. You would then need to
> > remember to only
> > tap on the file name and not the parent. The only trouble with 
this right
> > now is that Shadow adds a space before the > If the origin note
> > was changed
> > to read [[[Shadow:List Name>parent]]] without spaces before or 
after the
> > unique tags this idea would be airtight.
> >
> > I am working both sides of the case here between the Shadow and 
MegaWiki
> > lists trying to find a solution. I appreciate this only being 
viable if
> > enough Shadow users are interested.
> >
> > j.
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> > > Reply-To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:46 -0500 (EST)
> > > To: shadow-discuss@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using 
MegaWiki
> > >
> > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly"
> > checkbox in the
> > >> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note
> > origin? That way
> > >> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
> > >>
> > >> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple
> > as tapping on
> > >> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag.
> > MegaaWiki
> > >> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding
> > list, not just the
> > >> last list you had open.
> > >
> > > Have you tried it? (edit the origin info to read like that, and
> > > seen if Wiki works with it?) (though this adds the origin junk
> > to the real
> > > note, when Shadow opens it up :)
> > >
> > > I could drop the "Shadow: part for everyone, but not sure if 
that
> > > would annoy folks. Not sure I want another option, for such a 
little
> > > thing..
> > >
> > > You sure MegaWiki understands filenames wirth spaces in them?
> > >
> > > jeff
> > >
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> 
> 
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4423

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: VFS/cards

 
--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:
> 
 
> 	I give Aportis one thing (and only one thing):
> "BrainForest" is a
> cool name. Too bad they had to waste it ;)
> 
> 		jeff

Jeff, Shadow Planner is at least as cool.

Bert (a.k.a. The PDA Guerilla)

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4424

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:36pm
Subject: Re: jog dial.. push in list?

 
i'm with you on details for jog dial push.
thanks.
kevin




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4425

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: New From problems?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, kenclatham wrote:
> 
> > I just did an experiment.  Went to Palm desktop, added "Dummy" ToDo
> > priority 1 undated.  Synced it in to the 6035 and it won't show up in
> > "New From".  Open builtin Todo, its there, bottom of the list.  I
> > specifically avoided *ever* starting DBK4, so it *appears* to have
> > nothing to do with this oddity.
> 
> 	OKay. Don't sweat it any more.. I'll look into it in a bit.
> 
> 	When does your week begin?
> 
> 		Jeff
> 
<snip>

Sunday.

And I wasn't sweatting it...  I suppose I should have added some
smiley faces.  These things don't "get to me" as much as that last
post might imply... just curious really.  I actually enjoy a good game
of "nail the bug!"  :)

Ken
4426

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Clie FontHack123 setup...

 
i had a few items in action names (my datebook) that were strange too, and found that by setting every font listed (since i didn't know which applied to which part of the program), all then subsequently worked fine.  may want to try that!
kevin


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4427

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Re: Desktop shortcuts

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, psvincent2000 wrote:

> Any progress on the undocumented shortcuts in the Desktop program yet?  
> :)  Is it possible, once you've written an item using the Desktop
> program, to promote or demote it (the way it can be done on the PPK
> using backspace and the space key)?  Or create a parent item?  It is
> nice to have the desktop program, but so far it is MUCH easier to
> manipulate lists on the handheld side.  So much so that I'm not using
> the desktop program, despite having registered it.  :(

	Features to come. I have big plans. One of the first things to go
into the desktop will be moving items around, but lots of work to do.. I
want to improve syncing (faster, more stable, better handling of multipler
computers tossed into the mix, etc)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4428

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: Re: Desktop shortcuts

 
Jeff,

What I am most interested in personally on the desktop
is the ability to share files with Microsoft Word. I
just completed a 6,500 word chapter in the report I am
working on. This was a rather complex piece to
construct, and I had to outline it first. Because Word
is such a poor and frustrating outliner I turned to
Shadow and actually did the entire 6,500 word outline
in it. This experience turned me into a heavy Shadow
user, by the way.

When I finished I needed to export the outline to
Word. I installed the desktop version but in the end
instead of working through it I exported the file in
my HandEra to a Palm DOC file, opened that in
WordSmith and converted it into a WordSmith file (by
changing the formatting in a single line). Then I hot
synced and opened the document in Word on my desktop
and converted it to a Word .doc file. 

That worked tolerably well except that I had to go
through the entire outline and reformat all the
indents in Word. 

I don't mind working this way, but I would prefer a
process with fewer steps. For instance, if you could
provide something similar to the WordSmith link to
Word so I could simply hot sync and then read the
Shadow document directly into Word. Most of all, I
would like to avoid the reformatting, but that is
probably something beyond your control.

Bert
--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, psvincent2000 wrote:
> 
> > Any progress on the undocumented shortcuts in the
> Desktop program yet?  
> > :)  Is it possible, once you've written an item
> using the Desktop
> > program, to promote or demote it (the way it can
> be done on the PPK
> > using backspace and the space key)?  Or create a
> parent item?  It is
> > nice to have the desktop program, but so far it is
> MUCH easier to
> > manipulate lists on the handheld side.  So much so
> that I'm not using
> > the desktop program, despite having registered it.
>  :(
> 
> 	Features to come. I have big plans. One of the
> first things to go
> into the desktop will be moving items around, but
> lots of work to do.. I
> want to improve syncing (faster, more stable, better
> handling of multipler
> computers tossed into the mix, etc)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around
> in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control
> Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he
> calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 


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4429

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Desktop shortcuts

 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

> I don't mind working this way, but I would prefer a process with fewer
> steps. For instance, if you could provide something similar to the
> WordSmith link to Word so I could simply hot sync and then read the
> Shadow document directly into Word. Most of all, I would like to avoid
> the reformatting, but that is probably something beyond your control.

	I plan on adding export and import of rtf (Rich text) documents,
and MSPRoject files. 

	For now ever.. the shadow desktop can "save as" html, text or
xml. Word should be able to do something interesting with the text and xml
exports, even at this early stage. Certainly avoid going through
WordSmith..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4430

From: egroy  <egroy@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Desktop shortcuts

 
> When I finished I needed to export the outline to
> Word. I installed the desktop version but in the end
> instead of working through it I exported the file in
> my HandEra to a Palm DOC file, opened that in
> WordSmith and converted it into a WordSmith file (by
> changing the formatting in a single line). Then I hot
> synced and opened the document in Word on my desktop
> and converted it to a Word .doc file. 
> 
> That worked tolerably well except that I had to go
> through the entire outline and reformat all the
> indents in Word. 
> 

I'm sorry to say, but you did it "bass-akwards" (no offence).
I've had great results so far exporting as HTML and opening in Word & 
saving as Word document. The levels, bold & strikethrough formatting 
all convert flawlessly. My only two gripes about the process are (1) 
in items that have a date associated with them, the date appears in 
funky odd-looking tables (I have to manually convert these tables 
into text & re-align), and (2) there's an extra caret return 
character appended to the parent items, + an end-of-line character 
that Word uses, so the parent items are separated from children by an 
empty line which makes them look detached. Still, fixing this in a 
final document is much easier & faster than what you were doing.
4431

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:18pm
Subject: RE: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Here's an alternative that wouldn't require Jeff to change anything: include
the Megawicki delimiters in your shadow filename! My Megawicki shadow
delimiters are <>. So I change filename to <filename>. Now the context in
the todo note reads [[[Shadow: <filename>>morecontext]]]. I tap the
<filename> and away I go! Slick.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel J. Radcliffe [mailto:samr@g...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>
>
> Count me in. It looks like a real winner, greatly increasing the value of
> the shadow context in the todo note. I don't know why anyone
> should complain
> about losing "Shadow: ". If you know shadow and linking, you immediately
> recognize that what you're looking at is shadow context because of the
> "[[[ ]]]". Of course I was one of the original arguers against
> the inclusion
> of "Shadow: ", and I lost that one ;-)
>
> ...Sam
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ::.jay.west [mailto:email@j...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:14 AM
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
> >
> >
> >
> > Tested and confirmed Jeff, clicking on the note text of [[[List
> > Name]]] does
> > jump you straight to Shadow and opens the corresponding "List
> > Name" file. It
> > has no problems with any spaces in the file name just a space
> between the
> > link tags and the actual file name.
> >
> > I know the issues of the "Shadow:" pre-text in the note came up
> originally
> > where you made a strong case for it. Another less obtrusive
> > option could be
> > to simply remove the space after the colon like [[[Shadow:List
> > Name]]] that
> > way you could specify the Shadow link tag as being :and]
> instead of [and].
> > This option has also been tested and works.
> >
> > Samuel J. Radcliffe asked what would happen if you had the parent also
> > listed in the origin tag like [[[Shadow:List Name >parent]]] In
> this case
> > you would also need to setup a link tag in MegaWiki for [and> to be
> > recognised as a link back to Shadow. You would then need to
> > remember to only
> > tap on the file name and not the parent. The only trouble with
> this right
> > now is that Shadow adds a space before the > If the origin note
> > was changed
> > to read [[[Shadow:List Name>parent]]] without spaces before or after the
> > unique tags this idea would be airtight.
> >
> > I am working both sides of the case here between the Shadow and MegaWiki
> > lists trying to find a solution. I appreciate this only being viable if
> > enough Shadow users are interested.
> >
> > j.
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> > > Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:46 -0500 (EST)
> > > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
> > >
> > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly"
> > checkbox in the
> > >> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note
> > origin? That way
> > >> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
> > >>
> > >> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple
> > as tapping on
> > >> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag.
> > MegaaWiki
> > >> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding
> > list, not just the
> > >> last list you had open.
> > >
> > > Have you tried it? (edit the origin info to read like that, and
> > > seen if Wiki works with it?) (though this adds the origin junk
> > to the real
> > > note, when Shadow opens it up :)
> > >
> > > I could drop the "Shadow: part for everyone, but not sure if that
> > > would annoy folks. Not sure I want another option, for such a little
> > > thing..
> > >
> > > You sure MegaWiki understands filenames wirth spaces in them?
> > >
> > > jeff
> > >
> > > --
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> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:27pm
Subject: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Ah ha, very clever. Yes that could work very well in the interim until a
plug-in for Shadow appears.

j.



> From: "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:18:05 -0600
> To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
> 
> Here's an alternative that wouldn't require Jeff to change anything: include
> the Megawicki delimiters in your shadow filename! My Megawicki shadow
> delimiters are <>. So I change filename to <filename>. Now the context in
> the todo note reads [[[Shadow: <filename>>morecontext]]]. I tap the
> <filename> and away I go! Slick.
> 
> ...Sam
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Samuel J. Radcliffe [mailto:samr@g...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM
>> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>> 
>> 
>> Count me in. It looks like a real winner, greatly increasing the value of
>> the shadow context in the todo note. I don't know why anyone
>> should complain
>> about losing "Shadow: ". If you know shadow and linking, you immediately
>> recognize that what you're looking at is shadow context because of the
>> "[[[ ]]]". Of course I was one of the original arguers against
>> the inclusion
>> of "Shadow: ", and I lost that one ;-)
>> 
>> ...Sam
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ::.jay.west [mailto:email@j...]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:14 AM
>>> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tested and confirmed Jeff, clicking on the note text of [[[List
>>> Name]]] does
>>> jump you straight to Shadow and opens the corresponding "List
>>> Name" file. It
>>> has no problems with any spaces in the file name just a space
>> between the
>>> link tags and the actual file name.
>>> 
>>> I know the issues of the "Shadow:" pre-text in the note came up
>> originally
>>> where you made a strong case for it. Another less obtrusive
>>> option could be
>>> to simply remove the space after the colon like [[[Shadow:List
>>> Name]]] that
>>> way you could specify the Shadow link tag as being :and]
>> instead of [and].
>>> This option has also been tested and works.
>>> 
>>> Samuel J. Radcliffe asked what would happen if you had the parent also
>>> listed in the origin tag like [[[Shadow:List Name >parent]]] In
>> this case
>>> you would also need to setup a link tag in MegaWiki for [and> to be
>>> recognised as a link back to Shadow. You would then need to
>>> remember to only
>>> tap on the file name and not the parent. The only trouble with
>> this right
>>> now is that Shadow adds a space before the > If the origin note
>>> was changed
>>> to read [[[Shadow:List Name>parent]]] without spaces before or after the
>>> unique tags this idea would be airtight.
>>> 
>>> I am working both sides of the case here between the Shadow and MegaWiki
>>> lists trying to find a solution. I appreciate this only being viable if
>>> enough Shadow users are interested.
>>> 
>>> j.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>>>> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:46 -0500 (EST)
>>>> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, ::.jay.west wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff, would you considering adding a "MegaWiki Friendly"
>>> checkbox in the
>>>>> prefs that would simply not add the "Shadow: " to the note
>>> origin? That way
>>>>> all todo notes would simply read [[[File Name]]]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Linking back to the originating file would then be as simple
>>> as tapping on
>>>>> the note in your todo list and then tapping on the origin tag.
>>> MegaaWiki
>>>>> then whisks you off to Shadow and opens the corresponding
>>> list, not just the
>>>>> last list you had open.
>>>> 
>>>> Have you tried it? (edit the origin info to read like that, and
>>>> seen if Wiki works with it?) (though this adds the origin junk
>>> to the real
>>>> note, when Shadow opens it up :)
>>>> 
>>>> I could drop the "Shadow: part for everyone, but not sure if that
>>>> would annoy folks. Not sure I want another option, for such a little
>>>> thing..
>>>> 
>>>> You sure MegaWiki understands filenames wirth spaces in them?
>>>> 
>>>> jeff
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>>>> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>>>> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>>>> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>>>> 
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4433

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:36pm
Subject: RE: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> Here's an alternative that wouldn't require Jeff to change anything: include
> the Megawicki delimiters in your shadow filename! My Megawicki shadow
> delimiters are <>. So I change filename to <filename>. Now the context in
> the todo note reads [[[Shadow: <filename>>morecontext]]]. I tap the
> <filename> and away I go! Slick.

	Now thasts a kickass idea :)

	Someone post that to the wiki group :)

		jeff

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4434

From: kasmesa  <samir.kasme@s...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 2:37pm
Subject: Hotsync hanging (again)

 
Hi Jeff, hi everybody

I have read the posts about hotsync hanging with rel. 2.1, but I have 
a different one;-)

Since I upgraded to 2.1 hotsync hangs consistently _at the very end_
i.e. the PC-side hotsync window is closed and the process has ended 
there, however the Palm-side is frozen on "Cleanup - Please wait". I 
have to soft-reset in order to access my Palm data again. Other than 
that, all conduits seem to work fine

I tried to delete all Shadow XML files, nothing changed. But if I 
disable the Shadow conduit the problem disappears!

One last note: I _think_ the problem appeared only after I had 
installed the new Desktop on my home PC as well, and I read there 
were issues when syncing with 2 PCs. However I can't be sure about 
that since I installed the software at home very shortly after 
upgrading at work. But I think that directly after the upgrade to 
2.1, hotsync was fine.

Any idea on how I can avoid to do a soft reset after every 
hotsync?... I don't have to have the conduit working at home since I 
consider it mainly as a backup, but how can I put things straight now?


Thanks in advance
Samir
4435

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Hotsync hanging (again)

 
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, kasmesa wrote:

> Since I upgraded to 2.1 hotsync hangs consistently _at the very end_
> i.e. the PC-side hotsync window is closed and the process has ended 
> there, however the Palm-side is frozen on "Cleanup - Please wait". I 
> have to soft-reset in order to access my Palm data again. Other than 
> that, all conduits seem to work fine

	Doesn't sound like a Shadow issue, per se -- the conduit is
completed you say (since the desktop side has closed). All the changes in
the conduit from 2.0 to 2.1 are done on the desktop side. Nothign has
changed on the handheld.

> I tried to delete all Shadow XML files, nothing changed. But if I 
> disable the Shadow conduit the problem disappears!

	Unbelievable.

	XML files from ShadowPlan160?

> One last note: I _think_ the problem appeared only after I had 
> installed the new Desktop on my home PC as well, and I read there 
> were issues when syncing with 2 PCs. However I can't be sure about 
> that since I installed the software at home very shortly after 
> upgrading at work. But I think that directly after the upgrade to 
> 2.1, hotsync was fine.

	Wouldn't have anything to do with it.

> Any idea on how I can avoid to do a soft reset after every 
> hotsync?... I don't have to have the conduit working at home since I 
> consider it mainly as a backup, but how can I put things straight now?

	Try reinstalling 2.1 just to make sure you've got it fully
installed. If still problems, install 2.0 and see if that fixes it. (And
if it does, ideally, install 2.1 again to see if the problem comes back,
so we know for sure somethign is up).

	What version of Windows?

	I'm betting XP..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4436

From: kasmesa  <samir.kasme@s...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Hotsync hanging (again)

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Doesn't sound like a Shadow issue, per se -- the conduit is
> completed you say (since the desktop side has closed). All the 
changes in
> the conduit from 2.0 to 2.1 are done on the desktop side. Nothign 
has
> changed on the handheld.
> 
> > I tried to delete all Shadow XML files, nothing changed. But if I 
> > disable the Shadow conduit the problem disappears!
> 
> 	Unbelievable.
> 

And yet true ;-) it's really consistent: Shadow conduit enabled, 
hotsync hangs, Shadow conduit disabled, hotsync OK. 


> 	XML files from ShadowPlan160?

Yes from ShadowPlan160 directory

> 
> > One last note: I _think_ the problem appeared only after I had 
> > installed the new Desktop on my home PC as well, and I read there 
> > were issues when syncing with 2 PCs. However I can't be sure 
about 
> > that since I installed the software at home very shortly after 
> > upgrading at work. But I think that directly after the upgrade to 
> > 2.1, hotsync was fine.
> 
> 	Wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Funny because I remember having hotsync'd straight away after the 
first install (to see if French accented characters came through) and 
it was fine... 

> 
> > Any idea on how I can avoid to do a soft reset after every 
> > hotsync?... I don't have to have the conduit working at home 
since I 
> > consider it mainly as a backup, but how can I put things straight 
now?
> 
> 	Try reinstalling 2.1 just to make sure you've got it fully
> installed. If still problems, install 2.0 and see if that fixes it. 
(And
> if it does, ideally, install 2.1 again to see if the problem comes 
back,
> so we know for sure somethign is up).
> 
> 	What version of Windows?
> 
> 	I'm betting XP..


No, NT4...

Thanks for the quick reply, I will try what you suggested

Samir
4437

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hotsync hanging (again)

 
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, kasmesa wrote:

> And yet true ;-) it's really consistent: Shadow conduit enabled, 
> hotsync hangs, Shadow conduit disabled, hotsync OK. 

	What version of Shadow on the handheld? (Help -> About, what does
it say in the bottom corner). A new conduit with an older Shadow can error
out and do nothing.. hmm.

	Do a file find for "lastsync.txt" and send me (not the group) it,
so I can trace whats going on. It sounds like Shadow is completely done,
so its difficult to see how you could have an issue.

> No, NT4...

	No reported issues with NT4 :/

> Thanks for the quick reply, I will try what you suggested

	We'll nail it down, but never heard of such a thing :/

		jeff

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4438

From: noneofyer42businessbub  <adachipro@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 1:58am
Subject: Re: Handera users

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	Is the minimized grafitti area useful? ie: I suppose you may come
> into Shadow intending only to read lists, and not edit them.. so it
is
> conceivable you wish to change the screen size at runtime, by
toying with
> the silkscreened grafitti area?

Shadow support of the Handera's minimized grafitti area would be very
useful. 
Not just for veiwing list but for editing them as well if one has a
keyboard. With a 
keyboard at the very least one can access the menus with the stylus.

Take care,

Anthony
4439

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 2:21am
Subject: Re: Re: Handera users

 
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, noneofyer42businessbub wrote:

> Shadow support of the Handera's minimized grafitti area would be very
> useful. 
> Not just for veiwing list but for editing them as well if one has a
> keyboard. With a 
> keyboard at the very least one can access the menus with the stylus.

	True; having a keyboard and minimized grafitti area woudl rock,
wouldn't it..

	I'll see what I can do when I get to the highres side of the
force.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4440

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 2:07pm
Subject: RE: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
After further testing, it looks like Megawiki doesn't actually link to the
filename. I was thrown off by the fact that I had a word in both the
filename and the list itself, and Megawiki was linking to the word in the
list, not to the filename (should have been obvious, because Megawiki works
off the find feature, which searches text fields, not filenames). My
solution, which requires a little more work, is to include the filename as
an item in the list (without the Megawiki delimiters). And remember to make
the link word unique, else you might find yourself in the wrong list.

To Summarize:

(1) When naming a list, include a Megawiki tag somewhere in the filename
(can be, but need not be the entire filename). For example, if your Megawiki
Shadow delimiters are <>, filenames might be <filename>, file<name>,
<file>name, file na<me>, etc. Make sure the part inside <> is unique across
all of your Shadow lists.

(2)Include the Megawiki tag, without delimiters, somewhere inside your list.
Corresponding to the above, this could be filename, name, file, me, etc. I
like to include it as the first item in the list, in bold caps, to remind me
that it is the Megawiki link. [Hey Jeff, cool if you could toggle hide/show
for individual items. Hiding any item would trigger the darkening of the
filter button, and a filter option would be 'Manual']

(3) Now when Shadow writes context information into the note of a linked
todo, it will automatically be inserting a Megawiki link which, when tapped,
will take you to the Shadow list where the todo originated.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:37 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:
>
> > Here's an alternative that wouldn't require Jeff to change
> anything: include
> > the Megawicki delimiters in your shadow filename! My Megawicki shadow
> > delimiters are <>. So I change filename to <filename>. Now the
> context in
> > the todo note reads [[[Shadow: <filename>>morecontext]]]. I tap the
> > <filename> and away I go! Slick.
>
> 	Now thasts a kickass idea :)
>
> 	Someone post that to the wiki group :)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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4441

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 2:35pm
Subject: RE: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
If you have time, get the belowtext, maybe flesh it out a bit,and
send it to shadow-tips?

		jeff

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> After further testing, it looks like Megawiki doesn't actually link to the
> filename. I was thrown off by the fact that I had a word in both the
> filename and the list itself, and Megawiki was linking to the word in the
> list, not to the filename (should have been obvious, because Megawiki works
> off the find feature, which searches text fields, not filenames). My
> solution, which requires a little more work, is to include the filename as
> an item in the list (without the Megawiki delimiters). And remember to make
> the link word unique, else you might find yourself in the wrong list.
> 
> To Summarize:
> 
> (1) When naming a list, include a Megawiki tag somewhere in the filename
> (can be, but need not be the entire filename). For example, if your Megawiki
> Shadow delimiters are <>, filenames might be <filename>, file<name>,
> <file>name, file na<me>, etc. Make sure the part inside <> is unique across
> all of your Shadow lists.
> 
> (2)Include the Megawiki tag, without delimiters, somewhere inside your list.
> Corresponding to the above, this could be filename, name, file, me, etc. I
> like to include it as the first item in the list, in bold caps, to remind me
> that it is the Megawiki link. [Hey Jeff, cool if you could toggle hide/show
> for individual items. Hiding any item would trigger the darkening of the
> filter button, and a filter option would be 'Manual']
> 
> (3) Now when Shadow writes context information into the note of a linked
> todo, it will automatically be inserting a Megawiki link which, when tapped,
> will take you to the Shadow list where the todo originated.
> 
> ...Sam
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:37 AM
> > To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:
> >
> > > Here's an alternative that wouldn't require Jeff to change
> > anything: include
> > > the Megawicki delimiters in your shadow filename! My Megawicki shadow
> > > delimiters are <>. So I change filename to <filename>. Now the
> > context in
> > > the todo note reads [[[Shadow: <filename>>morecontext]]]. I tap the
> > > <filename> and away I go! Slick.
> >
> > 	Now thasts a kickass idea :)
> >
> > 	Someone post that to the wiki group :)
> >
> > 		jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4442

From: raslawski  <brian.raslawski@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:38pm
Subject: Undesired Demotion

 
I am having problems in Shadow where when I select an item to edit 
it, the item becomes the child of a nearby item.  I am very conscious 
about not moving the stylus when I tap, but this still frequently 
happens.  In fact just about every time I select an item, 
the "sibling" indicator at the top of the screen pops up.

It seems to me that the software is too sensitive to any stylus 
movement when selecting an item.  My expectation is that the software 
would not even try to move an item unless the stylus is draged a 
minimum of 1/2 of the row height.

I have not seen this problem mentioned on this list, so I am 
wondering if I am the only one experiencing this problem?

Since I contacted Jeff earlier about the problem, I thought that it 
would get fixed in 2.1.0, but the problem still exists.

Anybody else experiencing this?

Any suggestions on how to avoid this problem?

thanks
Brian
4443

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Undesired Demotion

 
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, raslawski wrote:

> I am having problems in Shadow where when I select an item to edit 
> it, the item becomes the child of a nearby item.  I am very conscious 
> about not moving the stylus when I tap, but this still frequently 
> happens.  In fact just about every time I select an item, 
> the "sibling" indicator at the top of the screen pops up.
> 
> It seems to me that the software is too sensitive to any stylus 
> movement when selecting an item.  My expectation is that the software 
> would not even try to move an item unless the stylus is draged a 
> minimum of 1/2 of the row height.

	Thats pretty much how it works; the OS is sending the drag events,
however, and Shadow simply reacts. So there is somethign futzy going on,
but it seems to be very isolated (it happens to a very few people, and its
hard to determine if its a futzy tap, a sloppy digitizer needing reset, or
somethign really wrong with Shadow.. and how so). Increasing the tap area
around buttons may help, but might space things out a bit more.. I may
fiddle with thr sensitivity, but its complex without messing up some other
part of the tightly knit interface..

> I have not seen this problem mentioned on this list, so I am wondering
> if I am the only one experiencing this problem?

	A few people have mentioned it. Enough that there really is a
problem, though rare, I think.

> Since I contacted Jeff earlier about the problem, I thought that it
> would get fixed in 2.1.0, but the problem still exists.

	My todo list is down now.. only about 200+ items in it (really ;),
so it takes awhile to get through things. Especially now that the
application is well established and powerful, any features or fixes or
changes tend to be "big" (like whole new subsystems, not little
things).. so it takes awhile.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4444

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Undesired Demotion

 
Don't know if this is what's happening, but an idea: Sometimes, when the 
Palm screen gets old, it can start to attribute length to taps - ie a dot 
is interpreted as a short line. I am told that this occurs when what ever 
it is that separates the layers of the screen starts to get thin in places. 
For me, the problem showed up as unreliable graffiti, but you can see it 
showing up in other ways too.

There is a piece of diagnostic software for the Palm called Graffiti Aid 
that will take your taps and play back what the Palm thinks it saw. When I 
got it it came with a help screen that points you to  Chris Crawford - 
crawford@i... - as its source.

--On 2002 March 01 14:41 -0500 Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, raslawski wrote:
>
> > I am having problems in Shadow where when I select an item to edit
> > it, the item becomes the child of a nearby item.  I am very conscious
> > about not moving the stylus when I tap, but this still frequently
> > happens.  In fact just about every time I select an item,
> > the "sibling" indicator at the top of the screen pops up.
> >
> > It seems to me that the software is too sensitive to any stylus
> > movement when selecting an item.  My expectation is that the software
> > would not even try to move an item unless the stylus is draged a
> > minimum of 1/2 of the row height.
>
> 	Thats pretty much how it works; the OS is sending the drag events,
> however, and Shadow simply reacts. So there is somethign futzy going on,
> but it seems to be very isolated (it happens to a very few people, and its
> hard to determine if its a futzy tap, a sloppy digitizer needing reset, or
> somethign really wrong with Shadow.. and how so). Increasing the tap area
> around buttons may help, but might space things out a bit more.. I may
> fiddle with thr sensitivity, but its complex without messing up some other
> part of the tightly knit interface..
>
> > I have not seen this problem mentioned on this list, so I am wondering
> > if I am the only one experiencing this problem?
>
> 	A few people have mentioned it. Enough that there really is a
> problem, though rare, I think.
>
> > Since I contacted Jeff earlier about the problem, I thought that it
> > would get fixed in 2.1.0, but the problem still exists.
>
> 	My todo list is down now.. only about 200+ items in it (really ;),
> so it takes awhile to get through things. Especially now that the
> application is well established and powerful, any features or fixes or
> changes tend to be "big" (like whole new subsystems, not little
> things).. so it takes awhile.
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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4445

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 8:43pm
Subject: File problem

 
I am having problems with an 80K outline I have
created. Lately when I open it and then try to close
it again, I get an error message saying that the
program "cannot save at least one item". It then
refuses to close the file. I have to exit Shadow and
reenter it to get out of that document.

I am running on an HE330 with HE's version of OS 3.5
(the latest build. Any suggestions as to what is going
on and what to do about it would be appreciated. This
outline is important to me, and I use it as a
reference on the subject.

Thanks,
Bert

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4446

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 9:52pm
Subject: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...> wrote:
<snip>

See my comments below, for a DigitalGlyph's Linker version of this...

> 
> To Summarize:
> 
> (1) When naming a list, include a Megawiki tag somewhere in the
filename
> (can be, but need not be the entire filename). For example, if your
Megawiki
> Shadow delimiters are <>, filenames might be <filename>, file<name>,
> <file>name, file na<me>, etc. Make sure the part inside <> is unique
across
> all of your Shadow lists.
> 
> (2)Include the Megawiki tag, without delimiters, somewhere inside
your list.
> Corresponding to the above, this could be filename, name, file, me,
etc. I
> like to include it as the first item in the list, in bold caps, to
remind me
> that it is the Megawiki link. [Hey Jeff, cool if you could toggle
hide/show
> for individual items. Hiding any item would trigger the darkening
of the
> filter button, and a filter option would be 'Manual']
> 
> (3) Now when Shadow writes context information into the note of a
linked
> todo, it will automatically be inserting a Megawiki link which, when
tapped,
> will take you to the Shadow list where the todo originated.
> 
> ...Sam
<snip>

Not trying to slight MegaWiki any, but... I use DigitalGlyph's Linker
(yes, this one *costs* you).  It allows an option to use only *one*
marker character for a linkname.  So....

Like above I can set the filename to "Whatever&" where the "&" is my
tag character (I *never* type it directly *next to* anything unless I
mean to).

I go to the linked/labeled todo and set the "Shadow: Whatever" part
of the label to be the link text and choose "Record level" link. 
Then, during the text search to make the link, I (like above) have a
"Parent Link - Whatever" item at the top of every list (each with a
different file name).  I created these entries so every list could be
linked back to its parent (if it had one).  But in this case, it makes
a *handy* search context for the file (search for "Link - Whatever").

Works great, but is this *better* than MegaWiki... no...but wait
there's more!

(a little setup is necessary) I keep a list of "1 on 1" meetings my
boss schedules.  In it, I keep the meeting objectives under each date.
So I get a label that looks like [[[Shadow: One-on-One >20020227]]]
for the meeting on Feb 27.

Now *with* the "&"'s added I have [[Shadow: One-on-One& >20020227&]]]

I selected "Shadow: One-on-One" and set a link to my "Parent Link"
record

I then selected "Shadow: One-on-One& >20020227" and set a link to the
child record "20020227", and guess what, *both* links work!

If I tap on any part before the first "&" I go to the "Parent Link"
record, anything between the first and second "&"s and I go directly
to the "20020227" record.  WeeeeHawww, this is !fun!.

Sam, and I hope you don't mind you calling you Sam... Thank you! A
stroke of brilliance!  I *love* it...this is making things soooo much
better already...

Sorry, if I'm disorganized, but I've been playing with this since last
night and it just keeps getting better...  I'm frelling overjoyed!

Notes:
(1) When you create the link, Linker inserts an extra & you have to
get rid of.
(2) I have to check whether link creation order affects using
overlapping link strings.
(3) You have to know you want multi-level links, if you go back and
put a "Parent Link" record "&" in after a child level link... you have
to go back and redefine the child level link because the link text
(source) has changed (not too bad, you delete the old one and create a
new, once)

Jeff, thank you for having the presence of mind by making SP know when
it shouldn't override the "Home" button.  If I enter SP, jump to a
linked ToDo, work with ToDos a while (forgetting that I came from SP),
then use the newfound "backlink" to jump to SP.... The "Home" button
takes me to the Launcher instead of still thinking it needs to "go
back" to SP... Thank you, works perfectly...

I'm gonna go play with this some more...  will write up the "Linker"
version of a "Tip" when I calm down...

Just had to tell the world...

Ken
4447

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 10:10pm
Subject: Re: Undesired Demotion

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Ken Gordon <ksg@t...> wrote:
> Don't know if this is what's happening, but an idea: Sometimes, when
the 
> Palm screen gets old, it can start to attribute length to taps - ie
a dot 
> is interpreted as a short line. I am told that this occurs when what
ever 
> it is that separates the layers of the screen starts to get thin in
places. 
> For me, the problem showed up as unreliable graffiti, but you can
see it 
> showing up in other ways too.
> 
> There is a piece of diagnostic software for the Palm called Graffiti
Aid 
> that will take your taps and play back what the Palm thinks it saw.
When I 
> got it it came with a help screen that points you to  Chris
Crawford - 
> crawford@i... - as its source.
> 
> --On 2002 March 01 14:41 -0500 Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, raslawski wrote:
> >
> > > I am having problems in Shadow where when I select an item to
edit
> > > it, the item becomes the child of a nearby item.  I am very
conscious
> > > about not moving the stylus when I tap, but this still
frequently
> > > happens.  In fact just about every time I select an item,
<snip>

I had this problem and it was *mostly* my old digitzer's fault.  It
got replaced...(along with the case, CPU, stylus :) )  However, It
still happens to me occasionally when I'm "out and about" using SP. 
This *is* sloppy pen use, but there is often nothing I can do at the
time to make it "better".  IMHO, a little slop should be forgiven.

I'm only beginning to study the ins and outs of Palm programming, but
it seems to me that the "granularity" of a drag needs to be settable.
 I can't find any such tuning on the Palm...  I hate to utter the
word, but Windows(r) mouse drivers usually have this setting...

However, from my experience, its not just a system problem.  This drag
event occurs *within* a single "object", not between objects.  So the
application really has to take care not to let too short a drag be an
action.  It should be easy to tell when a drag starts in one "object"
and ends on another, but *inside* an object...

Jeff, seems to me that you could look at the end position of the drag
to determine if its internal to one object, then post a "click" event
if the drag is "too short".  But, I'm not *that* familiar with
"clicks" vs. "drag" events on the Palm...yet.

Ken
4449

From: Samuel J. Radcliffe  <samr@g...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: RE: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
Yeah, I've used linker in the past, and still do, and have become familiar
with MegaWiki only recently. If I understand your post, you're doing an
awful lot of manual setting up of links with linker. The beauty of the
MegaWiki solution is that once you have the filename set and the MegaWiki
tag in the list, no more fooling around setting up links for individual
items -- the link is automatically set in shadow's context note. Granted,
the link only takes you to the list, not the exact record. But I find that
to be a reasonable tradeoff.

I also see a potential problem with your linker approach -- once you've
messed with the context text that shadow inserted, if you change your list
in various ways, your linking work will be wiped out, no?

Correct me if I misunderstand your process.

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kenclatham [mailto:clatham1@t...]
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:52 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki
>
>
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> See my comments below, for a DigitalGlyph's Linker version of this...
>
> >
> > To Summarize:
> >
> > (1) When naming a list, include a Megawiki tag somewhere in the
> filename
> > (can be, but need not be the entire filename). For example, if your
> Megawiki
> > Shadow delimiters are <>, filenames might be <filename>, file<name>,
> > <file>name, file na<me>, etc. Make sure the part inside <> is unique
> across
> > all of your Shadow lists.
> >
> > (2)Include the Megawiki tag, without delimiters, somewhere inside
> your list.
> > Corresponding to the above, this could be filename, name, file, me,
> etc. I
> > like to include it as the first item in the list, in bold caps, to
> remind me
> > that it is the Megawiki link. [Hey Jeff, cool if you could toggle
> hide/show
> > for individual items. Hiding any item would trigger the darkening
> of the
> > filter button, and a filter option would be 'Manual']
> >
> > (3) Now when Shadow writes context information into the note of a
> linked
> > todo, it will automatically be inserting a Megawiki link which, when
> tapped,
> > will take you to the Shadow list where the todo originated.
> >
> > ...Sam
> <snip>
>
> Not trying to slight MegaWiki any, but... I use DigitalGlyph's Linker
> (yes, this one *costs* you).  It allows an option to use only *one*
> marker character for a linkname.  So....
>
> Like above I can set the filename to "Whatever&" where the "&" is my
> tag character (I *never* type it directly *next to* anything unless I
> mean to).
>
> I go to the linked/labeled todo and set the "Shadow: Whatever" part
> of the label to be the link text and choose "Record level" link.
> Then, during the text search to make the link, I (like above) have a
> "Parent Link - Whatever" item at the top of every list (each with a
> different file name).  I created these entries so every list could be
> linked back to its parent (if it had one).  But in this case, it makes
> a *handy* search context for the file (search for "Link - Whatever").
>
> Works great, but is this *better* than MegaWiki... no...but wait
> there's more!
>
> (a little setup is necessary) I keep a list of "1 on 1" meetings my
> boss schedules.  In it, I keep the meeting objectives under each date.
> So I get a label that looks like [[[Shadow: One-on-One >20020227]]]
> for the meeting on Feb 27.
>
> Now *with* the "&"'s added I have [[Shadow: One-on-One& >20020227&]]]
>
> I selected "Shadow: One-on-One" and set a link to my "Parent Link"
> record
>
> I then selected "Shadow: One-on-One& >20020227" and set a link to the
> child record "20020227", and guess what, *both* links work!
>
> If I tap on any part before the first "&" I go to the "Parent Link"
> record, anything between the first and second "&"s and I go directly
> to the "20020227" record.  WeeeeHawww, this is !fun!.
>
> Sam, and I hope you don't mind you calling you Sam... Thank you! A
> stroke of brilliance!  I *love* it...this is making things soooo much
> better already...
>
> Sorry, if I'm disorganized, but I've been playing with this since last
> night and it just keeps getting better...  I'm frelling overjoyed!
>
> Notes:
> (1) When you create the link, Linker inserts an extra & you have to
> get rid of.
> (2) I have to check whether link creation order affects using
> overlapping link strings.
> (3) You have to know you want multi-level links, if you go back and
> put a "Parent Link" record "&" in after a child level link... you have
> to go back and redefine the child level link because the link text
> (source) has changed (not too bad, you delete the old one and create a
> new, once)
>
> Jeff, thank you for having the presence of mind by making SP know when
> it shouldn't override the "Home" button.  If I enter SP, jump to a
> linked ToDo, work with ToDos a while (forgetting that I came from SP),
> then use the newfound "backlink" to jump to SP.... The "Home" button
> takes me to the Launcher instead of still thinking it needs to "go
> back" to SP... Thank you, works perfectly...
>
> I'm gonna go play with this some more...  will write up the "Linker"
> version of a "Tip" when I calm down...
>
> Just had to tell the world...
>
> Ken
>
>
>
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4450

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 10:54pm
Subject: Re: File problem

 
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

> I am having problems with an 80K outline I have created. Lately when I
> open it and then try to close it again, I get an error message saying
> that the program "cannot save at least one item". It then refuses to
> close the file. I have to exit Shadow and reenter it to get out of
> that document.
> 
> I am running on an HE330 with HE's version of OS 3.5 (the latest
> build. Any suggestions as to what is going on and what to do about it
> would be appreciated. This outline is important to me, and I use it as
> a reference on the subject.

	Hmm. I think thats an error no one has ever seen before (ie: Thats
how infrequent it is). I'll have to check what could cause it and get back
to you.

	Perhaps try duplicating the file (from the file selection screen),
and see if that cleans it up..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4451

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 11:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: Undesired Demotion

 
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, kenclatham wrote:

> However, from my experience, its not just a system problem.  This drag
> event occurs *within* a single "object", not between objects.  So the
> application really has to take care not to let too short a drag be an
> action.  It should be easy to tell when a drag starts in one "object"
> and ends on another, but *inside* an object...

	"should" is one thing, "is" is another ;) (Especially when Shadow
is mostly cusotm objects; none of that stuff is built into the palm gui
right? :) Treating them like "gadget"s actually made everythign super slow
and unresponsive, so they're "widgets" (my own thing). *shrug*

	Theres tuning to be done, I just don't relish it.. since its all
relative. You change one thing, and it subtley changes other things, and
you annoy a bunch of people :)

> Jeff, seems to me that you could look at the end position of the drag
> to determine if its internal to one object, then post a "click" event
> if the drag is "too short".  But, I'm not *that* familiar with
> "clicks" vs. "drag" events on the Palm...yet.

	Yeah, sort of. I've got something like that (active region here,
what to do with certain events in the region, etc). But I don't handle
in/out region stuff too well for drags. In region yes, and out region
yes.. but cross over drags.. not too well.

	Somethign to look into. With the otehr things to look into :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4452

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 11:11pm
Subject: Re: Linking back to Shadow using MegaWiki

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...> wrote:
> Yeah, I've used linker in the past, and still do, and have become
familiar
> with MegaWiki only recently. If I understand your post, you're
doing an
> awful lot of manual setting up of links with linker. The beauty of
the
> MegaWiki solution is that once you have the filename set and the
MegaWiki
> tag in the list, no more fooling around setting up links for
individual
> items -- the link is automatically set in shadow's context note.
Granted,
> the link only takes you to the list, not the exact record. But I
find that
> to be a reasonable tradeoff.
> 
> I also see a potential problem with your linker approach -- once
you've
> messed with the context text that shadow inserted, if you change
your list
> in various ways, your linking work will be wiped out, no?
> 
> Correct me if I misunderstand your process.
> 
> ...Sam
> 
<snip>

Well, I was not inferring that I had to set the link up more than
once.  If I add the "&" to the end of the filename (did I say that?),
then just like MegaWiki (actually SP) it takes care of itself from
then on...  The & gets put in by SP as part of the name, making it a
Linker link recognizable in all future SP generated ToDos and Appts.

I think Linker and MegaWiki are actually identical in this respect,
once you declare a text pattern to be a link, then its a link
everywhere it occurs...

As for the change problems, yes, if you change the item name or move
it around in the list, the previous links are invalid.  But then (just
once for each name with an "&" on it) I can create the links again,
and delete the old ones.  Delete is through the "Linker app" list,
where they're all together and I can check to see if I missed any :).

As far as the "second level" links go, I've only created them on the
"first tier" of children in lists where I know these are not likely to
change but the list may get long.

In my example (now I'm sorry I snipped it), my meetings occur often
and before long just the first level item list will get long.  This
link allows me to go directly to the dated meeting notes without
jumping to the top of the list and finding on my own...

Ken
4453

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 0:20am
Subject: Want a beta?

 
The current alpha has been in testing for about a week or so, and
has been pretty stable. It features VFS and Sony jog dial support, a
couple bugfixes, and a new filter (to show items with links).

	Interested?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4454

From: TEWoerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 4:22am
Subject: Re: Want a beta?

 
Yes!  You caught me looking for the last beta which logs "from" data 
in the ToDo note.
4455

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:40am
Subject: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

 
I'm new to Shadow, so please bear with me. Am I correct in assuming that
if I create a new todo in the ToDo database (I'm using Datebk4 to do
this), there's no way that new todo will automatically show up in the
Shadow database when I next open Shadow? I see todos showing up in my
ToDo database after creating them in Shadow (via the Link feature), but
I don't see the reverse occuring.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...
4456

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:47am
Subject: File linking: Fatal Exception

 
I always get the Fatal Exception error (causing me to Reset) if, after
setting up a Link to a file, I attempt to access that file via the link.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...
4457

From: cfralick_2000  <cfralick@i...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:50am
Subject: Re: Want a beta?

 
Yes I do! I'm always looking for good Clie compatible software

Clark
4458

From: revjohn54  <revjohn@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 4:37am
Subject: Templates

 
I am just beginning work with shadow. It looks to be a very powerful 
program. I wonder if someone knows of a web site where some templates 
might be available. I would like to see the sort of things people are 
doing with shadow to stretch my own imagination. Also, I wonder if 
some templates might not make my initial work easier.

Appreciate any information available.

Pastor John
4459

From: revjohn54  <revjohn@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 4:55am
Subject: Re: Want a beta?

 
Yes, I would be interested in testing the beta.

Pastor John

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	The current alpha has been in testing for about a week or so, 
and
> has been pretty stable. It features VFS and Sony jog dial support, a
> couple bugfixes, and a new filter (to show items with links).
> 
> 	Interested?
4460

From: Todd Henion  <henion@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 6:54am
Subject: Another New From issue

 
I hadn't been using New From for awhile, awaiting category support, but I
tried it tonight as I read the last few day's posts:

AS I checked or unchecked, picked a week, or tried to cancel, I got a Soft
Reset text was something like: "Memory Hnd. Line 4450 invalid chunk"

Is this a clue or am I having unique problems.

IIIxe 3.5.3 SP 2.1.2 all hacks off.

As always, 
Todd
4461

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 7:03am
Subject: Re: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:
> I'm new to Shadow, so please bear with me. Am I correct in assuming
that
> if I create a new todo in the ToDo database (I'm using Datebk4 to do
> this), there's no way that new todo will automatically show up in
the
> Shadow database when I next open Shadow? I see todos showing up in
my
> ToDo database after creating them in Shadow (via the Link feature),
but
> I don't see the reverse occuring.
> 
> -- 
> Ralph Alvy
> ralvy@c...

Creating an entry for a "foreign" ToDo automatically has been under
discussion...

Jeff (Mitchell, the author), pray tell, summary of current intent?

Currently, you use the "New From" option on the menu to create an SP
(Shadow Plan) entry for each ToDo.

You can also import you're entire ToDo list into a (often several) SP
list (named by the import) and them move over the items that you want
... if there are a lot of them.

But be aware that if you have not archived all your old (done) ToDos,
this will create *a lot* of entries that you'll probably throw away. 
Not to mention it makes the import take a while...

Ken
4462

From: kenclatham  <clatham1@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 7:16am
Subject: Re: Templates

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "revjohn54" <revjohn@n...> wrote:
> I am just beginning work with shadow. It looks to be a very
powerful 
> program. I wonder if someone knows of a web site where some
templates 
> might be available. I would like to see the sort of things people
are 
> doing with shadow to stretch my own imagination. Also, I wonder if 
> some templates might not make my initial work easier.
> 
> Appreciate any information available.
> 
> Pastor John

You might sign up for the Shadow-tips (Yahoo) group.  Its a new group
Jeff started specifically for the purpose of helping people out who
are new to SP (and some not so new, for that matter, like me :) ).

I left one description of how I use SP there.  Has to do with meeting
notes I take... may be of some use to you.

As for "templates", which are just lists you keep so you can copy when
needed (although more "formal" templates have been discussed), I don't
think there are any there (except a meager example I put up).  Its an
idea though, I think I'll be ready to post there tomorrow (Monday
night) on another subject, so I'll see if I can't "clean up" one of my
templates for posting...

Ken
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From: Khairil Yusof  <kaeru@p...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 11:35am
Subject: Shadow Plan and DateBk4 Categories/Suggestions

 
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I've just downloaded Shadow Plan to make organizing/managing projects
easier. Looks good, so I'll probably register it soon.

I want to keep a linked floating event. For example, while there are
tasks left to do, I have a floating event in DateBk4 under the
category projects that shows up day to day until all tasks are
complete. I guess I have to sync this manually (meaning I have to
mark the floating event as done once all task are completed from the
link, from DateBK4). Will the ShadowPlan have any problems with DB4
categories when it syncs?

I like it so far (all 30mins worth) I can handle a lot more links
than DB4 could handle and it's neater for projects.

One thing I would like to know is why child items can't have their
own views? Please point to me how this is possible since I'm new to
this.

Eg. 

Web Project (Note View)
	- Tasks (Taskview)
	- Contacts (Note view)
      - Servers (Note view)

Although switching views is a convenient tap away, it looks wierd
when your Contacts/Servers have a tasklist on them when in tasklist
view. It's empty but you could put in a (20% completed boss) ;) It
would be neater if child items could have their own views.

Another thing is internal views for things like address book links
(Datebook4 has this). Right now to find out details of a contact you
switch out of ShadowPlan and have to get back to it after seeing the
contact details. A goto button like Datebook4 on an internal
(non-editable) viewer would be much more convenient.

Has anybody has written a guide on using Shadow Plan for different
types of projects, as a newbie I'd like to see how it's being used.

Cheers

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:09pm
Subject: Re: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

 
On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> I'm new to Shadow, so please bear with me. Am I correct in assuming that
> if I create a new todo in the ToDo database (I'm using Datebk4 to do
> this), there's no way that new todo will automatically show up in the
> Shadow database when I next open Shadow? I see todos showing up in my
> ToDo database after creating them in Shadow (via the Link feature), but
> I don't see the reverse occuring.

	At this time you have to manually bring them into Shadow (see "New
From" under Item pulldown menu in list view).

	The reason is that it is slow to scan for new ToDo's each time you
open Shadow (or a list, say), and more importantly, that since you can
have hundreds of lists.. how would Shadow know where to file all the new
ToDo's?

	We've debated int he forum here about perhaps making it so you can
enter a few characters of text into a list, so that Shadow can scan for
that text when openign that list and sucking up ToDo's with that text. Its
just a matter of time before I get to that.. and I'm not sure if it will
be fast enough. (Since ToDo records resort themselves a lot, I have to
scan the entire ToDo database. Imagine every time you open a list, Shadow
has to scan as few thousand old ToDo's to find which ones have this text
tag in it you specified.. ouch!)

	So its a complex task, unless we can think of some trick.

	New From is ever-improving to make it more useful and easier to
find ToDo's, however.. maybe once we streamline it enough, auto import
will not be necessary.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4465

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:12pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

 
On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> I always get the Fatal Exception error (causing me to Reset) if, after
> setting up a Link to a file, I attempt to access that file via the link.

	Do you mean a "File link"? (as in Shadow file to file)?

	If so.. thats pretty strange; Shadow isn't going anywhere.. its
just clearing one file and laoding another, just as if you'd hit Done and
then Open.

	What version of Shadow? What unit? What Palm OS version?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4466

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: Re: Templates

 
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, revjohn54 wrote:

> I am just beginning work with shadow. It looks to be a very powerful 
> program. I wonder if someone knows of a web site where some templates 
> might be available. I would like to see the sort of things people are 
> doing with shadow to stretch my own imagination. Also, I wonder if 
> some templates might not make my initial work easier.

	Try reading through the shadow-tips forum; it is very small as
I've tried to keep it to useful posstings with ideas, rather than
discussions (higher content to fluff ratio). Its onyl eixsted a couple of
months, so doesn'thave much in it.. but its all pretty good. (where-as
this forum is all abotu discussing, bouncing ideas around, feature ideas,
etc)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4467

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:22pm
Subject: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

 
If you've got VFS or a Clie, this is for you :)

	This is a feature oriented beta, though it has some good bugfixes
in it. Most obvious, however, is the fact that VFS is supported (in the
more or less usual Palm way) and that Sony folks get jog dial support (and
Handera is not too far away, either). I'm working on basic highres now, so
don't ask :)

	The VFS support doesn't have categories, yet, since VFS is an
entirely separarte service and doesn't have any native category support
(like Palm OS does for internal cards). As such, 99% of VFS applications
don't support categories, and Shadow is following the pack there. For
awhile anyway -- I do plan on adding category support, but I have to build
my own subsystem for it first.

	This is not a full release with installer or the like. Its just a
.prc you can download and install yourself (for Windows folks, just double
click on it and that lets you install it, usually. Or use the Palm Desktop
Install Tool). Its beta after all, and making ebveryone download a 3.5MB
file again isn't needed :)

	It is beta. Use at own risk as always. Please send me (or to
shadow-test) any positive or negative comments about it .. both are
equally valid.

	Full details from the alpha posting:

Please read the release notes below; they're long and comprehensive, but
I'll be having to write it up into the documentation, and everyone will
want to read it, I think..

Essentially, you have VFS support now, and its a pretty solid and useful
implementaiton (if I do say so myself :). Sony Clie users get Jog Dial
support (tested on my 760c), and it is very slick. You can maneuver all
around with only your jog dial, no problemo! (Changing categories thid way
is nifty-slick!). Theres also other fixes and minor additions, so read the
release notes below for details.

http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow212.zip

NEW: New filter/hilight: "Items linked to ToDo or DB".

NEW: Preliminary support for Sony Clie Jog Dial. On a by-screen basis:
  File Selection Screen:
    Jog push, no file selected: Select first file (if any)
    Jog push, file selected: Open the file
    Back pushed, file selected: unselect it.
    Back pushed, no file selected: pop up categories so you can switch!
    Jog scroll up, file selected: Select prev item
    Jog scroll up, file unselected: Scroll whole screen up
    (Reverse direction for jog scroll down)
  Main List View Screen:
    Jog push, no selected: Select screen topmost item
    Jog push, item selected: Open Details window for that item
    Back, item selected: Deselect item
    Back, no selection: Save and return to file selection screen
    Jog scroll up/down, no selection: Page up/down
    Jog scroll up/down, item selected: Select next/previous and keeps
      new selection visible
  Handera jog dial will get the same treatment once we test out all these
    additions.

NEW: Preliminary support for VFS. Rewrote palms category picker (top right
  of the file selection screen); it now puts a list of your plugged in
  storage cards at the end of the list (below Unfiled and "Edit
categories.." say)

  NOTE: VFS support only checked for OS 3.5.x and later
  NOTE: If you're not running a VFS capable unit, or no cards are
    available, no cards will be listed (duh)
  NOTE: Path used on expansion card is: /Palm/Programs/ShadowPlan/
  NOTE: Leaving Shadow while with a VFS file open works; when you open
    Shadow, you will as normal get the same file you were in, and in the
mean time
    it will have been updated on the card as normal.

CHG: If unit is powered off while in Shadow, and you hit your Shadow
  hardkey, it will just turn the unit on and not bring up the history file
  picker. Of course, if the unit is on and you hit the hardkey with Shadow
going, you
  will get the history popup (or cycle categories, depending which screen
  you're in)

CHG: File operations popmenu has various changes. When used on internally
  stored files, you can copy or move the file to a card. When used on card
  files, you can move or copy them to internal. Some operations (like
  beaming) are not permitted on files stored on a card. Trying to
move/copy
  a file to a location where the file already exists will give you an
error. 
  You can't trick me that easily. Deleting a file thats on a card won't
ask
  you to do the normal operations (like cleaning up origin stamps) but
  will just plain delete the file.

INT CHG: File selection screen a little optimized; should draw a little
  faster; brought carious category operations together.

NOTE: Palm find will not work against files stored in the card! (Slow and
  potentially complex and problematic during hacks, etc).

NOTE: Popping the card out while in Shadow is uncool, but should be
  handled reasonably well. ie: If you're looking at the card, and then
  sneakily yank out the card, Shadow won't just change to your internal
  store. You can look at the card direcotyr all you like.. but attempting
  to open files will get you an error, and trying to bring up the category
  picker will only give you internal category options. So there :) Just
pop
  the card back in, you sneaky devil.

NOTE: When you open a file from a card, it will save back to that card.
  Actually, it works like this: Opening card file copies the file to the
  internal store (and errors if the file already exists there.. Shadow
  will not clobber a local copy, in case you stick in a friends card, say,
  and he has a file with the same name!). Then Shadow opens the "temp"
  internal version. When in the file, any saves will fiorst save to the
  internal file, and then the file will be copied to the card. When you
  *close* the list, the temp file is removed.
    In theory, this means it works as you expect, but if you crash Shadow
  while lookign at a file loaded from a card, the temp file version will
  be left on the internal store (in Unfiled). It'll be the same as the
card
  one,

	jeff



--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4468

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Another New From issue

 
On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Todd Henion wrote:

> I hadn't been using New From for awhile, awaiting category support, but I
> tried it tonight as I read the last few day's posts:
> 
> AS I checked or unchecked, picked a week, or tried to cancel, I got a Soft
> Reset text was something like: "Memory Hnd. Line 4450 invalid chunk"
> 
> Is this a clue or am I having unique problems.
> IIIxe 3.5.3 SP 2.1.2 all hacks off.

	Can you reproduce it with a series of steps? If so, let me know
the series of events, and I'll trace whats going on..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4469

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan and DateBk4 Categories/Suggestions

 
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Khairil Yusof wrote:

> I want to keep a linked floating event. For example, while there are
> tasks left to do, I have a floating event in DateBk4 under the
> category projects that shows up day to day until all tasks are
> complete. I guess I have to sync this manually (meaning I have to
> mark the floating event as done once all task are completed from the
> link, from DateBK4). Will the ShadowPlan have any problems with DB4
> categories when it syncs?

	Most datebook extensions are pretty sensibly done and are safely
ignored by applications which dont' implement how to use them. So DB
categories should be fine.

	I'm not a DB4 uiser, but I think he implements floating events
slickly; I think when he duplicates an event to the next day, he is
actually duplciating the event to the old day and moving the original
event to the new day.. so that links to it are maintained, and so checking
it off would sync with Shadow. Just guessing though.. you'd have to try it
and see.

> I like it so far (all 30mins worth) I can handle a lot more links than
> DB4 could handle and it's neater for projects.

	Great :)

> One thing I would like to know is why child items can't have their own
> views? Please point to me how this is possible since I'm new to this.

	Pull up the items details, and tap in the top right to select a
view. (It looks like a category picker, but its not).

> Although switching views is a convenient tap away, it looks wierd when
> your Contacts/Servers have a tasklist on them when in tasklist view.
> It's empty but you could put in a (20% completed boss) ;) It would be
> neater if child items could have their own views.

	They can :) The [V] change only changes the "default view" and as
such shoudl effect only items without a view override (which in your case
sounds like all or most of them at this point). Once you've overridden
items to be specific types (and not "inherit default") they'll not be
effected by the list view changing.

> Another thing is internal views for things like address book links
> (Datebook4 has this). Right now to find out details of a contact you
> switch out of ShadowPlan and have to get back to it after seeing the
> contact details. A goto button like Datebook4 on an internal
> (non-editable) viewer would be much more convenient.

	Conveniant for some, but not others (ie: Who have hacks or special
address book viewing software installed). I've thought about intenral
viewers, but I decided against it due to bloat -- Shadow is a mighty 200k
already, so adding features that merely duplicate what everyone already
has seems wasteful. You can do a "goto" to jump to the link already, and
if you enable "Return after goto" you can return to Shadow with one
tap.. so your onyl cost is speed of loading the address book (pretty
fast) and the speed of returning to Shadow (also pretty fast, depending on
list size).

> Has anybody has written a guide on using Shadow Plan for different
> types of projects, as a newbie I'd like to see how it's being used.

	Not yet. Anything you want to write is welcome :) Thats really
where the docs need to go .. we've got pretty solid reference guides and I
think my new quick start guide is pretty good. Now we need to build a
Users Guide...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4470

From: Tim McPike  <tim@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:25pm
Subject: Re: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

 
--- Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	The reason is that it is slow to scan for new ToDo's each time you
> open Shadow (or a list, say), and more importantly, that since you can
> have hundreds of lists.. how would Shadow know where to file all the new
> ToDo's?

Give user the option to designate ONE file for auto import from ToDo's


> scan the entire ToDo database. Imagine every time you open a list, Shadow
> has to scan as few thousand old ToDo's to find which ones have this text

The Life Balance program autoscans and imports new Todos every time the program
is opened.  I have a large number of todos and don't find this problematic. 
Life Balance has only one file, of course.  That's why I suggest you let the
user pick only ONE file for auto import.  Manual import can occur from any file
as it does now.

LB auto imports to the bottom of the file.  I know you don't like "borrowing"
ideas from other software, but the LB auto import feature does demonstrate that
it is both feasible and efficient.  I'd rather use Shadow than LB because
Shadow is much more flexible, but I do like LB's auto import feature.

=====
************
Tim McPike
tim@t...

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4471

From: revjohn54  <revjohn@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 3:31pm
Subject: Re: Templates

 
Thanks Ken,

I will sign up for the group and will check out the posts you refered 
to. The meeting post is of particular interest.

Pastor John

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "kenclatham" <clatham1@t...> wrote:
> You might sign up for the Shadow-tips (Yahoo) group.  Its a new 
group
> Jeff started specifically for the purpose of helping people out who
> are new to SP (and some not so new, for that matter, like me :) ).
> Ken
4472

From: Bert Latamore  <bertlatamore@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

 
Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote: 

      If you've got VFS or a Clie, this is for you :)

 

Jeff, I may have missed this in the notes you provided, but where do I put the Shadow documents on the card for Shadow to find them? On the root directory? In a special subfolder?

ALso, I gather that the jog wheel support will not work on the HE 330 at this time and is solely for Clie users in this version. Is that correct?

Thanks,

 

Bert



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4473

From: Khairil Yusof  <kaeru@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:27am
Subject: Individual seletion of expanded links

 
Didn't notice this at first from the example views (they only have one
link). It's a cosmetic issue. I've had more time to go through it, and I
couldn't see a setting for this one.

If for example you have a child item called say: suppliers with multiple
links and then expand links:

- Suppliers
 - ABC		->
 - Acme		->
 - John & Bob	->
 - Tarzan Ltd	->

It looks nice, but you cannot pick an individual link without highlighting
the entire group. You are however selecting that individual link when
tapping on it as the link arrow -> for the Goto popup will go to that
individual link. Highlighting of individual links would be nice. Tapping on
any link for the above gives you a huge block on your screen. Not very
intuitive considering you can go to individual links.

A delete link on the popup would also be useful. If you have say 20 links,
and one to delete that individual link, you're going to have to find it in
the Links Manager again due it having less space to remove it.

The other way is by not expanding links, and making individual child items
under Suppliers with one link each. This gives the advantage of adding more
related notes, and other info to it (and more childs). However having more
than one link to a particular item (say a memo or another address) still has
the affect of highlight the entire block when the items are tapped on
individually.



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4474

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

 
>You can also import you're entire ToDo list into a (often several) SP
>list (named by the import) and them move over the items that you want
>... if there are a lot of them.
>
>But be aware that if you have not archived all your old (done) ToDos,
>this will create *a lot* of entries that you'll probably throw away.
>Not to mention it makes the import take a while...
>
>Ken

Which is precisely why I'm anxiously waiting for the import unchecked only 
feature which Jeff said he might add to the import.  He says to keep bugging 
him about this, and I plan to do my best ;)

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4475

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 2:55pm
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

 
Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

[March 2002] What is your main Palm OS
handheld? (The one you use for Shadow
most often. If you expect to buy a unit
very soon, say that one.) I'd like to
know what spread of units people are
using with Shadow right now. 

  o Palm (m100, m500, IIc.. the units made by Palm) 
  o Handspring (Visor, Neo, Prism, etc. Anything by Handspring) 
  o Handera / TRG-Pro 
  o Sony (Clie, Pegs, S series. Black and white and colour, low and high resolution) 
  o Other (IBM-Workpad, Kyocera, Symbol, etc) 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/polls 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!
4476

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:15pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

 
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Bert Latamore wrote:

> Jeff, I may have missed this in the notes you provided, but where do I
> put the Shadow documents on the card for Shadow to find them? On the
> root directory? In a special subfolder?

	If yuo've got VFS support, then in the file operations popmenu
(right hand pop triangle in file selection screen file listing) you will
see "Copy to Card" and "Move to Card", which will do it for you.

	If you're using Filez or the like, though, then it should be
/PALM/PROGRAMS/Shadow I think, or maybe ShadowPlan. Its in the notes, but
just use the built in VFS copier to do it and see where they go :)

> ALso, I gather that the jog wheel support will not work on the HE 330
> at this time and is solely for Clie users in this version. Is that
> correct?

	Yep; Dont' worry, I'll be adding Handera jog soon. I'm just
tackling one at a time.. first Clie, then Handera (because I bought a
Clie; I'd have bought a handera if they had colour ones out yet)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4477

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance, and
have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a recently
registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance for the last
week or so.

If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me know.

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...
4478

From: Khairil Yusof  <kaeru@p...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: RE: Shadow Plan and DateBk4 Categories/Suggestions

 
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]

> where the docs need to go .. we've got pretty solid reference guides and I
> think my new quick start guide is pretty good. Now we need to build a
> Users Guide...

Thanks for the tips, the different views now makes it much better for me.
The return after goto was great too. That solution is perfect for me.
Haven't tried the floating events link yet, but will post results on it
soon.

As for guides, what I like most about Shadow Plan is the fact that it allows
links to standard Palm db's (ToDos/Addresses/Appointments) and organize a
lot of different things as one project file. These links gives me a lot of
ideas as a DB4 user (which also links the standard Palm db's) to make the
best use out the strengths of each.

eg.

Datebook4:
Top level (what projects are currently on/due)
Bottom level (What time, what to do) - the little day to day things

ShadowPlan - Organize/Overview/Detailed notes and log
How the heck does writing that database connection abstraction function fit
in the whole scheme of things? Oh.. it's part of that rewrite for
portability db project. And makes it 25% complete.

It's scary to think that with 5 levels and links, how much you can keep
track of with your Palm. I'll write something, once I got it all worked out.

Can't believe I didn't find this program earlier.

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4479

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: New poll

 
Theres a new poll up; what sort of device do you primarily use for
Shadowing on?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4480

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 4:14pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

 
Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> 
> > I always get the Fatal Exception error (causing me to Reset) if,
> after
> > setting up a Link to a file, I attempt to access that file via the
> link.
> 
>       Do you mean a "File link"? (as in Shadow file to file)?
> 
>       If so.. thats pretty strange; Shadow isn't going anywhere.. its
> just clearing one file and laoding another, just as if you'd hit Done
> and
> then Open.
> 
>       What version of Shadow? What unit? What Palm OS version?
> 
>             jeff

Yes, File Link, as found in the Link Manager. I was linking to another
Shadow file. Here's the data you wanted:

	Shadow 2.1.0
	Palm OS 3.5.3
	Handera 330
4481

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:08pm
Subject: Re: Individual seletion of expanded links

 
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Khairil Yusof wrote:

> If for example you have a child item called say: suppliers with multiple
> links and then expand links:
> 
> - Suppliers
>  - ABC		->
>  - Acme		->
>  - John & Bob	->
>  - Tarzan Ltd	->
> 
> It looks nice, but you cannot pick an individual link without highlighting
> the entire group. You are however selecting that individual link when
> tapping on it as the link arrow -> for the Goto popup will go to that
> individual link. Highlighting of individual links would be nice. Tapping on
> any link for the above gives you a huge block on your screen. Not very
> intuitive considering you can go to individual links.

	Its a complex question; tapping in an item on the screen selects
the item. Since those expanded-links do not really exist and are paert of
the item, they work the same way. Tapping in them just selects the item,
and when the item is selected, it (and everythign about it) is shown in
reverse. Tapping on the link arrow for an expanded link is a extension for
conveniance. Shadow doesn't understand the idea of selecting just an
expanded linked thing.. its not a shadow item, it cannot be selected.

	I will be adding more colour options in the future; a so-called
Appearance global preferences panel. I'll move the font control to it, and
also add things liek letting you select the colour of the background
(rtight now its white and blue), and the colour of text (currently black
until overridden), and the colour of the selection bar (maybe).

	Maybe changing the selection bar from black to a nice soft yellow
would do it for you :)

> A delete link on the popup would also be useful. If you have say 20
> links, and one to delete that individual link, you're going to have to
> find it in the Links Manager again due it having less space to remove
> it.

	Hmm. A good idea. I'll add it to my list to do.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4482

From: fiatspider72  <fiatspider72@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	If you've got VFS or a Clie, this is for you :)

<snip>

> 	NOTE: VFS support only checked for OS 3.5.x and later

Jeff -

You may want to re-look this as the Visor Deluxe (OS 3.1) can run VFS
if using an adapter that uses the Flash Adapter drivers and VFShelper
from Kopsis Engineering ( http://www.kopsisengineering.com ).  I know
Dave Kessler, the president of Kopsis, has helped many developers make
sure their products do work with 3.1

 - Jeramy
4483

From: Tim McPike  <tim@t...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:09pm
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
I suggest you post this on the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group.

--- Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:
> I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance, and
> have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a recently
> registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance for the last
> week or so.
> 
> If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me know.
> 
> -- 
> Ralph Alvy
> ralvy@c...
> 
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4484

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:48pm
Subject: RE: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
I used to use LifeBalance and really liked it. I only switched to Shadow
because it gives me progress indicators (a must for me) and it has a
desktop app. They have very different philosophies, but basically the
same end results-- planning out what you need to do and making sure that
you do it on time. The difference is than in Shadow you make every
decision on your own, whereas in LifeBalance your decisions are "made
for you" based on where you are (location), and the priorities for the
top-level tasks/goals that you set for yourself.

I'll certainly be taking a look at LifeBalance when they add the two
features I have to have, but until then Shadow is fulfilling all of my
project and life planning needs.

Jen

----------------
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http://www.pocketgoddess.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ralvy@c... [mailto:ralvy@c...]
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:28 AM
> To: Shadow Discussion Group
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow vs Life Balance
> 
> I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance, and
> have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a
recently
> registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance for the last
> week or so.
> 
> If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me know.
> 
> --
> Ralph Alvy
> ralvy@c...
>
4485

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance, and
> have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a recently
> registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance for the last
> week or so.
> 
> If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me know.

	Depends; if you want to do a brief compare and contrast thats
fine; if your'e goign to go telling everyone to use LB, I'll have to boot
you :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4486

From: rvanderwoning  <rvanderwoning@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 11:53pm
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Ralph Alvy <ralvy@c...> wrote:
> I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance,
> and have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm
> a recently registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life
> Balance for the last week or so.

The short version:

Shadow is an outliner pur sang. Its strengths are in building, 
manipulating and viewing (with filtering) outlines. It also offers a 
solid and easy to use two way linking mechanism between the items in 
your outline and items in the standard Palm application databases 
(Memos, Addresses, Todos and Appointments). And last but not least, 
it has desktop integration (albeit still in its preliminary stages).

Life Balance is a prioritizer. Its strengths are in assigning 
priorities to the items in your outline by giving them an importance 
relative to the overlying item (or parent). This works exceptionally 
well. Apart from that, Life Balance is a decent outliner, but 
inferior to Shadow in that department (although I love how LB lets 
you edit your items in place instead of popping up a dialog). Also, 
LB does not have any desktop existence so all the work has to be done 
on the handheld. And its method of linking to todos (other kinds of 
links are not supported) is not as extensive as Shadow's.

Both are great applications in their own right and one could argue 
that a combination between the both would make for a killer solution.

Roy.
4487

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:43pm
Subject: Re: File linking: Fatal Exception

 
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:

> > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:
> > 
> > > I always get the Fatal Exception error (causing me to Reset) if,
> > after
> > > setting up a Link to a file, I attempt to access that file via the
> > link.
> > 
> >       Do you mean a "File link"? (as in Shadow file to file)?
> > 
> >       If so.. thats pretty strange; Shadow isn't going anywhere.. its
> > just clearing one file and laoding another, just as if you'd hit Done
> > and
> > then Open.
> > 
> >       What version of Shadow? What unit? What Palm OS version?
> 
> Yes, File Link, as found in the Link Manager. I was linking to another
> Shadow file. Here's the data you wanted:
> 
> 	Shadow 2.1.0
> 	Palm OS 3.5.3
> 	Handera 330

	Only with this file, or any file you attempt? When you open that
target file normally yourself, it works fine? What if you open up list
prefs for that file?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4488

From: marsrowjablonski  <jjablonski@m...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:59pm
Subject: Clie T615 Crashes with Hi-Res Assist on

 
I'm not sure if this has been discussed before or if I'm the only 
one having this problem, but I'm using the new Shadow 2.1.2 beta 
version and my Clie T615 crashes consistently unless I exclude it in 
the HiRes assist preferences.

Anyone else having this problem or know of workaround?

Thanks
4489

From: Kenneth S. Rhee  <polymath@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:31am
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
I have used both.

Life Balance is a good program, but it's very idiosyncratic.  Also it's a specialized outline program (managing your life).

Personally, I prefer Shadow and use it almost exclusively.

Once Shadow desktop's full potential is realized, I don't think there is any program that will rival this.
--
 Kenneth S. Rhee, polymath@m... on 03/05/2002


On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:38:04 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Ralph Alvy wrote:
>
>>I'm curious how many here have used both Shadow and Life Balance,
>>and have comments on the differences, strengths of each, etc. I'm a
>>recently registered user of Shadow, and have tested Life Balance
>>for the last week or so.
>>
>>If this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion, let me
>>know.
>
>Depends; if you want to do a brief compare and contrast thats fine;
>if your'e goign to go telling everyone to use LB, I'll have to boot
>you :)
>
>jeff
>
>--
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>
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4490

From: steveatuh  <spielman@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 11:02pm
Subject: Re: Synch @ Home and @ Work?

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, gbjerke wrote:
> 
> > If I get another copy of the desktop can I synch both at home and 
at 
> > work?  Anything I should know if I want to do this?  Thanks.
> 
> 	Sure can; the registration carries with you, so you can sync
> anywhere. There are some gotchas..
> 
> 	Due to the fact you can sync anywhere, anytime, at any number 
of
> machines (you might have home and work, and then go to a friends or
> laptop..) Shadow has to figure out the "source of truth" when 
comparing
> the same item on both sides, if its not the same location you 
synced at
> "last sync". So, for instance, if you sync at home and all is well, 
then
> you change something and sycn at work, and then at your laptop.. 
Sjhadow
> has to say "hmm, I guess I'm syncing at the source of truth now".. 
but it
> is very dificult to know. IT cannot tell, in these cases, which 
item is
> newer, all the time.. so to save you and protect your changes, 
Shadow will
> often keep both items.. the changed one, and the "other old/other
> one".. so you may see items duplicated unless you're careful.
> 
> 	I'll be improving this logic in the future, but it is very 
complex
> and may not always be the way you need it :/
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --

Although I heavily depend on the mobile applications on my Palm, 
especially Shadow Plan, I find the ability to synch most ToDo, Memos, 
Address and other items between my work and home computers essential. 
I'm always amazed that the built-in Palm apps work that way.  Is 
there a Date/Time field in every record? Although that would be a 
great feature for me in Shadow Plan, it would be almost as valuable 
to have the choices 'Desktop overwrites handheld' and 'Handheld 
overwrites Desktop' in the desktop conduit, if those are easier 
features to add to the Shadow Plan Desktop.

Thanks for a great application.

Steve Spielman
4491

From: revjohn54  <revjohn@n...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 0:35am
Subject: Re: Templates

 
Thanks Jeff,

I have joined the tips forum and am learning a lot.

Pastor John

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>> 	Try reading through the shadow-tips forum; it is very small as
> I've tried to keep it to useful posstings with ideas, rather than
> discussions (higher content to fluff ratio). Its onyl eixsted a 
couple of
> months, so doesn'thave much in it.. but its all pretty good. (where-
as
> this forum is all abotu discussing, bouncing ideas around, feature 
ideas,
> etc)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4492

From: Ralph Alvy  <ralvy@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:20am
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

 
Tim McPike wrote:
> 
> I suggest you post this on the GTD_Palm Yahoo Group.

Whoa! What an interesting group. Thanks!

-- 
Ralph Alvy
ralvy@c...
4493

From: Michael Rudnick  <egroups@R...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:37am
Subject: Fatal Error on Deleting Files

 
I recently did a bit of clean up on my Shadow files and had a fatal
error when deleting a file. By following these steps I reproduced the
problem:
  Click on a file
  Click on the trash can
  Message comes up, "Are you sure...?" Choose "Yes"
  Message comes up, "Remove links...?" Choose "Yes"
  Fatal Error. DataMgr.c, Line:7821,Index out of range

I was able to reproduce this by creating a new file and then deleting
it. My work-around for now was to manually remove the links in the
file and then choose "No" to the message "Remove links".

Palm III, Shadow 2.1.0

--
Michael Rudnick                         
egroups@r...
4494

From: ::.jay.west  <email@j...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: Fonts still not sticking

 
Hi there,
A few weeks ago I reported having trouble with my font prefs not sticking. I
had FontBucket installed and when I set an alternative font and then
switched to another app and then back to Shadow all my fonts settings seemed
to revert back to the Palm OS basic fonts.

I have since removed FontBucket and all traces of fonts and simply tried
setting my bold font as another Palm OS base font and it still reverts back
to the default fonts. Any idea why this is happening? Jeff, can my
preferences be corrupted? All other prefs stick.

Prism OS 3.5.2 Shadow 2.1.2b (although it was doing this in previous
releases too)

j.
4495

From: marsrowjablonski  <jjablonski@m...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:18pm
Subject: Clie T615 Crashes with Hi-Res Assist on

 
Is it just me or is anyone else having a problem with Shadow 2.1.2 
beta crashing on their Sony Clie T615? Shadow consistently crashes 
unless it is excluded in the HiRes Assist preferences. With it 
excluded in the HiRes Assist preferences, it appears to run fine.
4496

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: ToDo - Shadow synchronization

 
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Which is precisely why I'm anxiously waiting for the import unchecked only 
> feature which Jeff said he might add to the import.  He says to keep bugging 
> him about this, and I plan to do my best ;)

	Tee hee :)

	I'll see what I can do tonight..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4497

From: ffdet  <brad@f...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:01pm
Subject: New Item problem

 
Hey all, just registered my Shadow Plan and loving it :)

 I've found a little bug or annoyance that you may already know 
about. I tried to search on it but I couldn't find it.  

 I found that entering items on the desktop and deleting a accidently 
placed new item caused the palm to show the list wrong.  The only way 
to fix it was to delete it off the palm and resync the file from the 
desktop. Here's what I'm talking about.

On desktop - Notice the new item was accidental and I highlighted it 
and hit delete while in the desktop mode.

task 1
  -sublevel
task 2
  -sublevel 
    -new item *deleted on desktop*
task 3
  -sublevel
task 4
  -sublevel

 On palm it shows up like this. Notice it has moved the 3rd and 4th 
task up under the task 2 where the new item was deleted from.

task 1
  -sublevel
task 2
  -sublevel
  -task 3
    -sublevel
  -task 4
    -sublevel

 Technically the data is all there but it's not formatted the same 
anymore.  It moves under a task it shouldn't be in.

 Is this a known issue or something new?

Thanks,

Brad.
4498

From: Khairil Yusof  <kaeru@p...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 0:27pm
Subject: DateBk4 Floats don't work

 
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]

> I'm not a DB4 user, but I think he implements floating events
> slickly; I think when he duplicates an event to the next day, he is
> actually duplciating the event to the old day and moving the original
> event to the new day.. so that links to it are maintained, and so checking
> it off would sync with Shadow. Just guessing though.. you'd have to try it
> and see.

Just tested this out (letting the float move to the next day). I get wierd
characters that show in Shadow but not in the DB4 notes field. DB4 often has
extra stuff like icons in the notes field, but when it doesn't show in DB4
but shows up in Shadow, there is some extra data there not being synced. It
works on the initial link but doens't once the float moves to the next day
(a goto action on the next day from Shadow).

So DB4 users using floats to track projects, shouldn't link them. It's no
big deal for me as floats go from day to day and serve as a reminder of
which Shadow Plan file you are working on for that period. Next up is to try
it as repeating event..

On a positive note, icons and categories work fine. So having a link to a
Datebook deadline event (category:Projects icon: deadline) will work fine.
So you can have an overview in Datebook of your deadlines for different
tasks/projects.

Most of the time it comes down to for me is, do I want to use Shadow Plan to
track your dates or the Datebook app. You could have a list of dates in
Shadow, but for people like me DB4 views help me visualize better. Somehow a
list of dates of deadlines is just not as scary as seeing 2 deadline icons a
day apart in a week view on DB4. ;)

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4499

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 0:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Synch @ Home and @ Work?

 
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, steveatuh wrote:

> Although I heavily depend on the mobile applications on my Palm,
> especially Shadow Plan, I find the ability to synch most ToDo, Memos,
> Address and other items between my work and home computers essential.  
> I'm always amazed that the built-in Palm apps work that way.  Is there
> a Date/Time field in every record? Although that would be a great
> feature for me in Shadow Plan, it would be almost as valuable to have
> the choices 'Desktop overwrites handheld' and 'Handheld overwrites
> Desktop' in the desktop conduit, if those are easier features to add
> to the Shadow Plan Desktop.

	I will be adding desktop overwrites handheld and vice versa, so
you get some control over things. Most people don't know what those do, so
I didn't implement them originally.. but we definitely need them to
eliminate issues with multiple machines. (The reason we have problems is
that Shadow data is so much more complex than the built ins. They're a
walk in the park.. Shadow data is all relational which makes it nasty).

	Bear with me; We have handheld only users, and desktop + handheld
users. And the desktop folks pull me two directions (or more ;).. adding
features, and fixing multi-desktop. But I had to fix international support
first, since 40% of our users are in Europe.. oh, it was so easy when it
was only on the handheld ;) (And dont' forget the mac and uni folks who
want their version finished..)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
4500

From: fiatspider72  <fiatspider72@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: Re: Shadow 2.1.2 BETA available

 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

>   NOTE: VFS support only checked for OS 3.5.x and later


Jeff -

You may want to re-think this as the Visor Deluxe (OS 3.1) can have
VFS support if using one of the Flash Adapters supported by the
drivers from Kopsis Engineering.  Dave Kessler, President of Kopsis,
has been very helpful to other developers to make their software VFS
aware and not exclude the 3.1 OS.  You can get his contact info from
the flashadapter-forum on Yahoo Groups or at kopsisengineering.com

 - Jeramy
4501

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Fatal Error on Deleting Files

 
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Michael Rudnick wrote:

> I recently did a bit of clean up on my Shadow files and had a fatal
> error when deleting a file. By following these steps I reproduced the
> problem:
>   Click on a file
>   Click on the trash can
>   Message comes up, "Are you sure...?" Choose "Yes"
>   Message comes up, "Remove links...?" Choose "Yes"
>   Fatal Error. DataMgr.c, Line:7821,Index out of range
> 
> I was able to reproduce this by creating a new file and then deleting
> it. My work-around for now was to manually remove the links in the
> file and then choose "No" to the message "Remove links".

	It means likely that one of your files is "old"; Shadow has gone
through 1 major format change, and several minor ones. (It has an
extension mechanism, so little extensions get added to its database every
once in awhile, to contain all the new features). If you've been through
many versions of Shadow, you may have created a file long ago that is a
little "older" looking than the "current" format of your version on the
handheld. Thats not a problem .. the Shadow application can reasd any
version of its files from day 1 a couple years ago. However, the
"scanner" routines are more fragile and sometimes get confused.

	How to fix?

	IF you have the time, open each of your files, one at a time. Open
it, open an item details, hit OK, hit Done/X and go onto the next
file. That is sufficient for Shadow to "refresh" the file while closing
it.

	Doing this process will refresh all your files and the problem
shoudl go away.

	I should make a FAQ entry for this :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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