From: jhburns8  <epelle1@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: Re: strange freeze problem

1) In Shadow.
2) Opened a list that is designated a tasklist, 8 entries, 1,260.
3) Changed the above list to a note.
4) Closed the list.
5) Hit the app launcher - it's not working, frozen.
6) Did a soft reset.
7) After soft reset, I'm sitting on the Palm preferences screen. 
8) Hit the app launcher - it takes me back to the Shadow screen.
9) Hit the Todo hard key and I go to ToDo+.
10) Hit the app launcher again and I go to Shadow screen.

John 

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
> 
> > The list was setup as a tasklist.  I then changed it to a note. 
Thats 
> > when I noticed I had a problem.  I can use the hard keys to move 
> > around my handheld. If I go to any other app using the hard keys, 
> > then hit the applications launcher button, It takes me back to 
the 
> > Shadow screen list. I then do a soft reset, but the app launcher 
> > still does not work correctly.
> 
> 	OKay, nail it down for me :)
> 
> 	1) In Shadow
> 	2) Using a list no problem
> 	3) Go to another app (using a Shadow goto)
> 	4) Hit Home and it returns to Shadow (due to pref)
> 	5) Freeze?
> 	6) Soft reset
> 	7) Still stuck in Shadow for launcher, due to freeze
> 	8) Go to Links preferences, reset launcher.
> 	9) Good to go and annoyed
> 
> 	Is that the deal?
> 
> 	So the freeze is after returning from a goto?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > John
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 	All lists, or only specific lists?
> > > 
> > > 	I just opened an 80k file on OS 4.1 on a Vx (under emulation),
> > > without any warnings or issues..
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Jeff,
> > > > I am having exactly the same problem as Anthony is having.  
After 
> > > > upgrading to ShadowPlan 2.1, I started freezing up after I 
opened 
> > up 
> > > > a list for the first time.
> > > >  
> > > > You had better look at this quickly, because I think that it 
is 
> > > > pointing to a problem between Shadow Plan and OS4.1, and 
there 
> > must 
> > > > be a lot of users with OS4.1. out there that will be having 
this 
> > same 
> > > > problem.
> > > > 
> > > > Palm IIIXE
> > > > OS4.1
> > > > 
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I've suddenly started having a sort of freeze problem.  
If I 
> > go 
> > > > thru some of 
> > > > > > my lists, opening details screen on some items, sometimes 
> > > > cancelling out, 
> > > > > > sometimes changing a date, occassionally after exiting 
the 
> > > > datepicker, the 
> > > > > > screen is no longer sensitive to taps etc.  the hard 
buttons 
> > > > still work to 
> > > > > > change to another app, but I still cannot tap on the 
screen 
> > > > anywhere until I 
> > > > > > reset.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Palmiiic
> > > > > > OS4.1
> > > > > > sp latest beta
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	Thats strange; I wonder if OS 4.1 is getting in the 
way
> > > > > somewhere. I just nabbed a rom for it, so perhaps I will 
start 
> > > > testing
> > > > > against it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 		jeff
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in 
your 
> > own 
> > > > micro
> > > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. 
I 
> > mean,
> > > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate 
> > he 
> > > > is?"
> > > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he 
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
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> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:

> 1) In Shadow.
> 2) Opened a list that is designated a tasklist, 8 entries, 1,260.
> 3) Changed the above list to a note.
> 4) Closed the list.
> 5) Hit the app launcher - it's not working, frozen.

	So you are sitting at the file listing, and then hit Home to go to
the launcher.. and you get a freeze?

	Thats pretty unusual, since Shadow isn't really doing anything
there.

	Does it only occur with that one list? OR do all of your lists
exhibit this problem?

	Tried disabling hacks?

> 6) Did a soft reset.
> 7) After soft reset, I'm sitting on the Palm preferences screen. 
> 8) Hit the app launcher - it takes me back to the Shadow screen.

	See, this is what makes no sense; Shadow only takes over the
launcher if you do a "goto"; it simply does not go near the launcher
settings if you just hit Home.. so something fishy is up.

	Make sure hacks are disabled, and let me know.

	Do you have font bucket installed?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 4:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

Today I'm unable to duplicate my freezing problem, so perhaps something else 
was going on.  My problem happened only in the details screen after 
selecting a date in the datepicker.  Once selected and back in the details 
view, the screen no longer accepted taps, though I could launch something 
else via hardbutton, but even in the other app there was no screen 
sensitivity until I soft-reset.  I'll let you know if I run into it again.  
My attempt to duplicate it today was by no means exhaustive so perhaps it 
may show up again as I use shadow.


>From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: strange freeze problem
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:39:17 -0500 (EST)
>
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
>
> > 1) In Shadow.
> > 2) Opened a list that is designated a tasklist, 8 entries, 1,260.
> > 3) Changed the above list to a note.
> > 4) Closed the list.
> > 5) Hit the app launcher - it's not working, frozen.
>
>	So you are sitting at the file listing, and then hit Home to go to
>the launcher.. and you get a freeze?
>
>	Thats pretty unusual, since Shadow isn't really doing anything
>there.
>
>	Does it only occur with that one list? OR do all of your lists
>exhibit this problem?
>
>	Tried disabling hacks?
>
> > 6) Did a soft reset.
> > 7) After soft reset, I'm sitting on the Palm preferences screen.
> > 8) Hit the app launcher - it takes me back to the Shadow screen.
>
>	See, this is what makes no sense; Shadow only takes over the
>launcher if you do a "goto"; it simply does not go near the launcher
>settings if you just hit Home.. so something fishy is up.
>
>	Make sure hacks are disabled, and let me know.
>
>	Do you have font bucket installed?
>
>		jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Today I'm unable to duplicate my freezing problem, so perhaps something else 
> was going on.  My problem happened only in the details screen after 
> selecting a date in the datepicker.  Once selected and back in the details 
> view, the screen no longer accepted taps, though I could launch something 
> else via hardbutton, but even in the other app there was no screen 
> sensitivity until I soft-reset.  I'll let you know if I run into it again.  
> My attempt to duplicate it today was by no means exhaustive so perhaps it 
> may show up again as I use shadow.

	Curious. Sounds like an OS bug.. the "date picker" is an OS
routine, entirely.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:50pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the 
built in Security function.

BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit 
bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the 
screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it 
automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit, 
but in no other programs or anywhere else in Shadow if I'm not using 
mini-edit.  Bug??

Jen

> 
> 	Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
> encryption, just a simple entry password)?
> 
> 	Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time 
you
> wish to open the file you need to enter it.
> 
> 	Piggybacking on built in "security app" is system wide, one
> password, doesn't autolock or the like; so you enter your PIN once, 
and
> then all your dhadow files would be open, until you locked out by 
changing
> back to the security app.
> 
> 	Which is preferred?
> 
> 	Codewise, piggybacking on the built in is much easier.. if I add
> by-list passwords, then I need to handle file links, and find, and all
> sorts of crazyness. (ie: Find could not work on lists with passwords)
> 
> 		jeff

-- 
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http://www.pocketgoddess.com
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the 
> built in Security function.
> 
> BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit 
> bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the 
> screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it 
> automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit, 
> but in no other programs or anywhere else in Shadow if I'm not using 
> mini-edit.  Bug??

	Word Complete interferes with the normal operation of things; one
of the side effects it has is that small windows in various locations get
weird. Its WC's fault due to how it operates.. not much anyone can do
about it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Schellenberg  <aschell2000@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:05pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

>From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] password on lists
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:50:34 -0500
>
>I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the
>built in Security function.
>
>BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit
>bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the
>screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it
>automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit,
>but in no other programs or anywhere else in Shadow if I'm not using
>mini-edit.  Bug??
>
>Jen

Happens to me too.  kind of annoying.   The wordcomplete window will only 
show inside the mini edit area.  probably something to do with the list of 
words not fitting in the available space?

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:18pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Happens to me too.  kind of annoying.   The wordcomplete window will only 
> show inside the mini edit area.  probably something to do with the list of 
> words not fitting in the available space?

	WC just draws atop the display, assuming that the underlying
window is full screen. The ME is a very small window, and WC just draws
inside of it.. and thus is clipped. WC, if it was smart, would attmept to
detect where the current windfow is, and draw somewhere else, and use its
own clipping rules..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: bstryd610  <bstryd@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Problem with 2.1

Jeff,

I installed 2.1 and immediately had a problem with a Shadow file I 
had not had problems with before.

I edited the file on the desktop. After sync, Shadow on the HH gave 
the "cannot load this list" error msg. I re-edited the file on 
desktop, checking all the lines. Closing the DT down, I synced again -
- same message. Then I deleted the file on HH, synced and still the 
cannot load list message. 

I don't know what else to try.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:23pm
Subject: Re: Problem with 2.1

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:

> I installed 2.1 and immediately had a problem with a Shadow file I 
> had not had problems with before.

	Not a 2.1 issue; an existing known annoyance with the conduit
(that is very rare for the most part). I hope to fix it soon :(

> I edited the file on the desktop. After sync, Shadow on the HH gave 
> the "cannot load this list" error msg. I re-edited the file on 
> desktop, checking all the lines. Closing the DT down, I synced again -
> - same message. Then I deleted the file on HH, synced and still the 
> cannot load list message. 
> 
> I don't know what else to try. 

	If the file is deleted on the handheld, and you ask the desktop to
upload it, you shoudl be fine. The file will be recreated with no
gotchas. (The problem is a result of a botched sync, where the file gets
left in a mid-sync state, and the handheld and conduit then keep their
hands off to not make it any worse, usually. Deleting or renaming it, and
re-uploading, cfreates a freshnew file, lickity split)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: oooieoo@k...
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: oh oh... Category/Reset glitchie

Just ran into a problem:

- Tap the List > Preferences
- Tap the OPT button
- Tap the ToDo categories down-arrow
- Select EDIT CATEGORIES
- Select one of the categories
- Tap the DELETE button

Result: If there were any items in the selected category, it results in an 
error message, then a reset.
- It's reproducible.
- It doesn't matter if the category was created from within Shadow or the 
ToDo app.
- It does it with/without hacks activated.
- It does it with ToDos generated within ShadowPlan (thus linked) or from 
within the ToDo app.

I'm using ToDoPlus, but can't recreate the glitch from within that app.

The error message:
"DataMgr.c, Line:5745, Err moving category"

I'm using:
- Vx with Palm OS 3.3
- ShadowPlan v2.1.0

I don't think most people are going to run into this problem, because 
people tend to keep their categories. I'm just sorry I hadn't messed with 
this until after you put this version out to the world. :*(

Nancy

From: oooieoo@k...
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:23pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

At 05:51 AM 02/19/2002, Jeff wrote:
>         Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
>encryption, just a simple entry password)?
>
>         Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time you
>wish to open the file you need to enter it.

This would be low on my wishlist, but I know that others would probably 
like it a lot.

Nancy

From: bstryd610  <bstryd@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:45pm
Subject: Re: Problem with 2.1

I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the cannot 
load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked about 
deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did 
before but thought it only effected the links) 

"Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"

So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I answer no 
to deleting links. 

> 
> 	If the file is deleted on the handheld, and you ask the 
desktop to
> upload it, you shoudl be fine. The file will be recreated with no
> gotchas. (The problem is a result of a botched sync, where the file 
gets
> left in a mid-sync state, and the handheld and conduit then keep 
their
> hands off to not make it any worse, usually. Deleting or renaming 
it, and
> re-uploading, cfreates a freshnew file, lickity split)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:26pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

I do not see a need for myself presently for passwords, but if I did in the
future, I am sure that piggybacking off the system and making a list hidden
would suffice for me.
I'll trade this for a toggle on/off word wrap feature accessible in 1
tap!....(like I have any negotiating power.. ;)  )
2.1 looks great, Great job.
jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:26pm
Subject: Re: oh oh... Category/Reset glitchie

Interesting; I'll have to try it out; when you hit "Edit
categories", you're taken to an OS routine entirely out of my control :)

		jeff

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 oooieoo@k... wrote:

> Just ran into a problem:
> 
> - Tap the List > Preferences
> - Tap the OPT button
> - Tap the ToDo categories down-arrow
> - Select EDIT CATEGORIES
> - Select one of the categories
> - Tap the DELETE button
> 
> Result: If there were any items in the selected category, it results in an 
> error message, then a reset.
> - It's reproducible.
> - It doesn't matter if the category was created from within Shadow or the 
> ToDo app.
> - It does it with/without hacks activated.
> - It does it with ToDos generated within ShadowPlan (thus linked) or from 
> within the ToDo app.
> 
> I'm using ToDoPlus, but can't recreate the glitch from within that app.
> 
> The error message:
> "DataMgr.c, Line:5745, Err moving category"
> 
> I'm using:
> - Vx with Palm OS 3.3
> - ShadowPlan v2.1.0
> 
> I don't think most people are going to run into this problem, because 
> people tend to keep their categories. I'm just sorry I hadn't messed with 
> this until after you put this version out to the world. :*(
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
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> 

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Problem with 2.1

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:

> I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the cannot 
> load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked about 
> deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did 
> before but thought it only effected the links) 
> 
> "Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"

	Dont' answer yes to that dialog; fi the file is broken, then linkm
checks against it will fail :( Just hit no to this, and then the file can
be deleted. (I know, its annoying)

> So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I answer no 
> to deleting links. 

	You can rename it, to get it out of the way, as well.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: password on lists

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 jeff.resener@s... wrote:

> I do not see a need for myself presently for passwords, but if I did in the
> future, I am sure that piggybacking off the system and making a list hidden
> would suffice for me.
> I'll trade this for a toggle on/off word wrap feature accessible in 1
> tap!....(like I have any negotiating power.. ;)  )
> 2.1 looks great, Great job.

	Got somewheere good to put it? I forget if we came up with
anythignm, or a decent grafitti shortcut..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: bstryd610  <bstryd@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:35pm
Subject: Re: Problem with 2.1

Yea, but the one from the DT still comes in broken and will not load.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:
> 
> > I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the 
cannot 
> > load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked 
about 
> > deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did 
> > before but thought it only effected the links) 
> > 
> > "Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"
> 
> 	Dont' answer yes to that dialog; fi the file is broken, then 
linkm
> checks against it will fail :( Just hit no to this, and then the 
file can
> be deleted. (I know, its annoying)
> 
> > So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I 
answer no 
> > to deleting links. 
> 
> 	You can rename it, to get it out of the way, as well.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jeff.resener@s...
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:34pm
Subject: Re: password on lists (now text entering assist)

When using Shadow mini-edit screen and TextPlus, I can only see the
TextPlus suggestions within the mini-edit screen which makes TextPlus
pretty useless in that function. It would also leave bars across the height
of the line in two or three places within the mini screen, these do not
show once entered. I have had to turn the mini-edit function off which is a
pity since I do so much text entry into Shadow as my primary planning and
tracking tool. Either that or turn TextPlus off.
any ideas Jeff?
jeff
<snip>
I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the
built in Security function.

BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit
bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the
screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it
automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit,
<snip>

From: bstryd610  <bstryd@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:29pm
Subject: Re: Problem with 2.1

Jeff, I should have ammended....I CANNOT delete the new file on the 
HH unless I answer NO to delete links and NO to sweep for history 
insertions.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "bstryd610" <bstryd@a...> wrote:
> I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the cannot 
> load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked 
about 
> deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did 
> before but thought it only effected the links) 
> 
> "Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"
> 
> So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I answer 
no 
> to deleting links. 
> 
> > 
> > 	If the file is deleted on the handheld, and you ask the 
> desktop to
> > upload it, you shoudl be fine. The file will be recreated with no
> > gotchas. (The problem is a result of a botched sync, where the 
file 
> gets
> > left in a mid-sync state, and the handheld and conduit then keep 
> their
> > hands off to not make it any worse, usually. Deleting or renaming 
> it, and
> > re-uploading, cfreates a freshnew file, lickity split)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rblanzan  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:16pm
Subject: Re: New bie with hires problem

Thanks Jeff, I don't believe that was the problem though.  I tried  
uninstalling and re-installing the software and the problem 
disappeared.  

It looks good now ::

Rita


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, rblanzan wrote:
> 
> > Firstly, allow me to qualify my ignorance :-)
> > 
> > I've had my Clie T615c for a week now, and I installed Shadow 2.1 
> > today.
> > 
> > If I enable HiRes assist and I don't check the box to exclude 
Shadow 
> > from this preference when I open a list in Shadow, the Clie 
freezes.
> > 
> > Would someone be kind enough to help me out with this problem 
please.
> 
> 	The Clie will only freeze if you enable col-bg while using
> HRAssist; this is a bug in the Clie version of Palm OS :( I will 
hopefulyl
> be working on high res mode for Clie soon, so the issue will be 
moot :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: oooieoo@k...
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:40pm
Subject: Re: oh oh... Category/Reset glitchie

Yeah, I pretty much figured that it was out of your control, but that you'd 
want to know about it anyway. I consider it a very minor matter, though. I 
love having the ability to choose a ToDo category for things and it's not a 
huge hardship to delete a category from the ToDo app. BTW, adding a new 
category to the ToDo still works great.

Nancy


----------------
At 02:26 PM 02/19/2002, you wrote:

>         Interesting; I'll have to try it out; when you hit "Edit
>categories", you're taken to an OS routine entirely out of my control :)
>
>                 jeff
>
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 oooieoo@k... wrote:
>
> > Just ran into a problem:
> >
> > - Tap the List > Preferences
> > - Tap the OPT button
> > - Tap the ToDo categories down-arrow
> > - Select EDIT CATEGORIES
> > - Select one of the categories
> > - Tap the DELETE button
> >
> > Result: If there were any items in the selected category, it results in an
> > error message, then a reset.
> > - It's reproducible.
> > - It doesn't matter if the category was created from within Shadow or the
> > ToDo app.
> > - It does it with/without hacks activated.
> > - It does it with ToDos generated within ShadowPlan (thus linked) or from
> > within the ToDo app.

<snip>

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:29pm
Subject: Re: Clie and Handera folks!

i'd agree re: Sony Clie...jog dial (screen at a time, not line at a time) and back button support first...jog dial is used extensively here.  thanks.
kevin


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Russ & Ling Nero 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Clie and Handera folks!



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Kenneth S. Rhee <polymath@m...>

  > Sharper icons and small high resolution fonts would be nice.

  > BTW, I've been using Lubak's fonts with Fonthack, and boy, does it look
  nice.  It's better than hrfontmapper I've used in the past.

  > With the fonhack and Lubak's fonts, I think I can wait for a long time for
  Clie support (i.e., it's that good).

  Agreed.  I've also been using Lubak's fonts and Shadow works great with it.
  Sharper icons are nice, but I rather have support for the jog dial and back
  button first.

  Ling




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From: Elwood Matthews  <e@ematthews.net>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:02pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 399

When attempting to link address, only addresses starting with the Letter "A"
am I able to view.

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. password on lists
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
      2. RE: Re: Handera users
           From: "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...>
      3. Re: %age of parents..
           From: "phjza" <alan@s...>
      4. RE: password on lists
           From: "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...>
      5. RE: password on lists
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
      6. Future HandEra 330 support
           From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@b...>
      7. Re: strange hotsync problems
           From: "johnlill2" <johnlill2@y...>
      8. Re: Re: Clie and Handera folks!
           From: Larry Garfield <lgarfiel@s...>
      9. Re: strange freeze problem
           From: "jhburns8" <epelle1@a...>
     10. Re: Clie and Handera folks!
           From: "Russ & Ling Nero" <rnlnero@y...>
     11. Re: password on lists
           From: "Don Kurre" <reo@n...>
     12. Re: Re: strange freeze problem
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     13. Re: strange freeze problem
           From: "jhburns8" <epelle1@a...>
     14. Re: Re: strange freeze problem
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     15. Re: Re: strange freeze problem
           From: "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...>
     16. Re: Re: strange freeze problem
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     17. Re: password on lists
           From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
     18. Re: password on lists
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     19. Re: password on lists
           From: "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...>
     20. Re: password on lists
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     21. Problem with 2.1
           From: "bstryd610" <bstryd@a...>
     22. Re: Problem with 2.1
           From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
     23. oh oh... Category/Reset glitchie
           From: oooieoo@k...
     24. Re: password on lists
           From: oooieoo@k...
     25. Re: Problem with 2.1
           From: "bstryd610" <bstryd@a...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:51:54 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: password on lists


	Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
encryption, just a simple entry password)?

	Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time you
wish to open the file you need to enter it.

	Piggybacking on built in "security app" is system wide, one
password, doesn't autolock or the like; so you enter your PIN once, and
then all your dhadow files would be open, until you locked out by changing
back to the security app.

	Which is preferred?

	Codewise, piggybacking on the built in is much easier.. if I add
by-list passwords, then I need to handle file links, and find, and all
sorts of crazyness. (ie: Find could not work on lists with passwords)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:13:33 -0600
   From: "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...>
Subject: RE: Re: Handera users



>
> 	(1) Make me a list of the issues :)
>
> 		jeff

(1) In list selection screen, when changing categories, shadow does not
clear screen completely, i.e. if category y has fewer lists than category x,
changing from x to y shows the y lists, but some garbage remnants of x lists
also. We've discussed this one before.

(2) The triangle on the selected list in the list selection screen is goofy.
From other posts, I gather that's not just a Handera problem. It doesn't
bother me too much anyway.

(3) In custom display mode, with only the todo link column checked, and the
scroll bar on, the right side of the todo link box is "whited out" by the
scroll bar. Even if some other custom feature is selected, e.g. date column,
the todo link box right side line seems thinner (by a pixel?) than the other
lines in the box.

That's really all I can find. Pretty minor ;-) (1) is a biggie -- it just
makes the app look so unpolished, which we all know it's not.

...Sam



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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:09:48 -0000
   From: "phjza" <alan@s...>
Subject: Re: %age of parents..

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, kenclatham wrote:
>
> > I took what he's saying as "only items that display a checkbox *or*
> > %age should be counted".  Although, I'm not at all that sure about the
>
> 	Good call.
>
> 	How do folks feel about that? Only count items that have a
> checkbox or a %age *showing* for purposes of averaging for the parent.
>


Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to suggest.
Displayed checkboxes and %age complete are tallied to arrive at an
average.

Note items don't have checkboxes, and therefor are not factored in.
There seems now to be a proposition that custom items are only
factored if they have a checkbox or % displayed.

Regards
Alan



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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:17:21 -0600
   From: "Samuel J. Radcliffe" <samr@g...>
Subject: RE: password on lists

Would "piggybacking" mean that I could mark some lists as "private", and
they would be shown only after entering the password? So that lists not
marked "private" would always show? This would be consistent with other apps
that mark records as "private".

...Sam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] password on lists
>
>
>
> 	Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
> encryption, just a simple entry password)?
>
> 	Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time you
> wish to open the file you need to enter it.
>
> 	Piggybacking on built in "security app" is system wide, one
> password, doesn't autolock or the like; so you enter your PIN once, and
> then all your dhadow files would be open, until you locked out by changing
> back to the security app.
>
> 	Which is preferred?
>
> 	Codewise, piggybacking on the built in is much easier.. if I add
> by-list passwords, then I need to handle file links, and find, and all
> sorts of crazyness. (ie: Find could not work on lists with passwords)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:35:48 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: RE: password on lists

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

> Would "piggybacking" mean that I could mark some lists as "private", and
> they would be shown only after entering the password? So that lists not
> marked "private" would always show? This would be consistent with other
apps
> that mark records as "private".

	Exactly; I would just make a flag which when present would just
hide the list unless you've "unlocked" the unit using the normal palm
system. Not record level yet, and not crypted.. just hidden.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:37:51 -0600 (CST)
   From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@b...>
Subject: Future HandEra 330 support

Hi Jeff,

I saw in the TRGPro_Users_Group that you are taking input for future
HandEra 330 and Sony Clie support.  Which features would us HandEra 330
owners want and in what order?

#1) VFS support (if not there already).  Be nice to read and write data to
ShadowPlan files on a CF or SD card.

#2) support for the HE330's 8 fonts.

#3) Support vitual Graffiti minimization.  But, when input is required, it
be nice to  automatically restore the graffiti area and when done,
automically minimize it again.

#4) Landscape mode with a choice between 90 and 270 degrees.

These don't need to be done all at once, but I'd like to see the #1 and #2
in the first HandEra supported release.  Shadow Plan is a great program.
I'm glad you are working to make it even better.

Thanks,
Steven




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Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:01:57 -0000
   From: "johnlill2" <johnlill2@y...>
Subject: Re: strange hotsync problems

Thanks, Jeff, for the explanation. That still doesn't explain why on
one list, any changes I make on the desktop are never sent to the
palm, but palm changes are sent to the desktop. Very strange...

John
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	The desktop and conduit have not changed much from 2.0 to 2.1
> unless you are using non-English.
>
> 	The rules are currently this. If syncing against the same
machine
> as last time, and an item is changed on both desktop and
handheld,it will
> be duplicated,m as per palm specifications, palm existing
applications,
> and sanity -- if you've changed it on both sides, it keeps both, so
you
> can chose which is the best one to keep. A change is a content
> change.. changing a date, checking on/off, whatever.. any content
change
> counts. Open details, hit OK, that counts too.. open details, hit
cancel,
> that isn't a change.
>
> 	If you're syncing against a different machine from last time
it
> gets much trickier, as Shadow can nolonger trust "changed" markings
on the
> records, instead having to just observe differences in items and
react
> accordingly. If two items are different, but the same item (ie:
Their text
> is different, or a date is changed), Shadow cannot tell which is the
> authority.. so it keeps both, again.
>
> 	I will be adding options to allow you to specify desktop
> overrules, or handheld overrules, or time of entry overrules..
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:04:21 -0600
   From: Larry Garfield <lgarfiel@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: Clie and Handera folks!

Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> > The virtual Graffiti area takes but one tap to minimize and another
> > to maximize.  (If the item I want is in the minimized Graffiti area I
> > tap it first to make it active before mazimizing the graffiti area.)
>
>         I don't relish that one ;) (ie: Scrolling up and down to keep the
> selected item in the display all the time :P

Actually HandEra-style scrolling is easy.  Just support the existing
nextField and previousField events (part of the OS since version 1, I
believe), and the OS will turn the scroll events into next and previous
field events for you.  Then when the graffiti area is resized, save the
current highlighted offset, redraw the screen, and reselect it again.
If it's now off the screen (it was covered by a maximizing graffiti
area), just highlight the last item on the now-visible list.

--
Larry Garfield			AIM: LOLG42
lgarfiel@s...	ICQ: 6817012

-- "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you." :-)


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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:03:53 -0000
   From: "jhburns8" <epelle1@a...>
Subject: Re: strange freeze problem

The list was setup as a tasklist.  I then changed it to a note. Thats
when I noticed I had a problem.  I can use the hard keys to move
around my handheld. If I go to any other app using the hard keys,
then hit the applications launcher button, It takes me back to the
Shadow screen list. I then do a soft reset, but the app launcher
still does not work correctly.

John
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> 	All lists, or only specific lists?
>
> 	I just opened an 80k file on OS 4.1 on a Vx (under emulation),
> without any warnings or issues..
>
> 		jeff
>
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
>
> > Jeff,
> > I am having exactly the same problem as Anthony is having.  After
> > upgrading to ShadowPlan 2.1, I started freezing up after I opened
up
> > a list for the first time.
> >
> > You had better look at this quickly, because I think that it is
> > pointing to a problem between Shadow Plan and OS4.1, and there
must
> > be a lot of users with OS4.1. out there that will be having this
same
> > problem.
> >
> > Palm IIIXE
> > OS4.1
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've suddenly started having a sort of freeze problem.  If I
go
> > thru some of
> > > > my lists, opening details screen on some items, sometimes
> > cancelling out,
> > > > sometimes changing a date, occassionally after exiting the
> > datepicker, the
> > > > screen is no longer sensitive to taps etc.  the hard buttons
> > still work to
> > > > change to another app, but I still cannot tap on the screen
> > anywhere until I
> > > > reset.
> > > >
> > > > Palmiiic
> > > > OS4.1
> > > > sp latest beta
> > >
> > > 	Thats strange; I wonder if OS 4.1 is getting in the way
> > > somewhere. I just nabbed a rom for it, so perhaps I will start
> > testing
> > > against it.
> > >
> > > 		jeff
> > >
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
own
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate
he
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@e...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:09:32 +0100
   From: "Russ & Ling Nero" <rnlnero@y...>
Subject: Re: Clie and Handera folks!


----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth S. Rhee <polymath@m...>

> Sharper icons and small high resolution fonts would be nice.

> BTW, I've been using Lubak's fonts with Fonthack, and boy, does it look
nice.  It's better than hrfontmapper I've used in the past.

> With the fonhack and Lubak's fonts, I think I can wait for a long time for
Clie support (i.e., it's that good).

Agreed.  I've also been using Lubak's fonts and Shadow works great with it.
Sharper icons are nice, but I rather have support for the jog dial and back
button first.

Ling




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Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:11:48 -0600
   From: "Don Kurre" <reo@n...>
Subject: Re: password on lists

Jeff, I have no need for passwords on individual lists.
Thanks for all your work and effort ---shadow is a great program and makes
my life much easier.
Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:51 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] password on lists


>
> Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
> encryption, just a simple entry password)?
>
> Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time you
> wish to open the file you need to enter it.
>
> Piggybacking on built in "security app" is system wide, one
> password, doesn't autolock or the like; so you enter your PIN once, and
> then all your dhadow files would be open, until you locked out by changing
> back to the security app.
>
> Which is preferred?
>
> Codewise, piggybacking on the built in is much easier.. if I add
> by-list passwords, then I need to handle file links, and find, and all
> sorts of crazyness. (ie: Find could not work on lists with passwords)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>




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Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:17:19 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:

> The list was setup as a tasklist.  I then changed it to a note. Thats
> when I noticed I had a problem.  I can use the hard keys to move
> around my handheld. If I go to any other app using the hard keys,
> then hit the applications launcher button, It takes me back to the
> Shadow screen list. I then do a soft reset, but the app launcher
> still does not work correctly.

	OKay, nail it down for me :)

	1) In Shadow
	2) Using a list no problem
	3) Go to another app (using a Shadow goto)
	4) Hit Home and it returns to Shadow (due to pref)
	5) Freeze?
	6) Soft reset
	7) Still stuck in Shadow for launcher, due to freeze
	8) Go to Links preferences, reset launcher.
	9) Good to go and annoyed

	Is that the deal?

	So the freeze is after returning from a goto?

		jeff

>
> John
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> >
> > 	All lists, or only specific lists?
> >
> > 	I just opened an 80k file on OS 4.1 on a Vx (under emulation),
> > without any warnings or issues..
> >
> > 		jeff
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff,
> > > I am having exactly the same problem as Anthony is having.  After
> > > upgrading to ShadowPlan 2.1, I started freezing up after I opened
> up
> > > a list for the first time.
> > >
> > > You had better look at this quickly, because I think that it is
> > > pointing to a problem between Shadow Plan and OS4.1, and there
> must
> > > be a lot of users with OS4.1. out there that will be having this
> same
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > Palm IIIXE
> > > OS4.1
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've suddenly started having a sort of freeze problem.  If I
> go
> > > thru some of
> > > > > my lists, opening details screen on some items, sometimes
> > > cancelling out,
> > > > > sometimes changing a date, occassionally after exiting the
> > > datepicker, the
> > > > > screen is no longer sensitive to taps etc.  the hard buttons
> > > still work to
> > > > > change to another app, but I still cannot tap on the screen
> > > anywhere until I
> > > > > reset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Palmiiic
> > > > > OS4.1
> > > > > sp latest beta
> > > >
> > > > 	Thats strange; I wonder if OS 4.1 is getting in the way
> > > > somewhere. I just nabbed a rom for it, so perhaps I will start
> > > testing
> > > > against it.
> > > >
> > > > 		jeff
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
> own
> > > micro
> > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I
> mean,
> > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate
> he
> > > is?"
> > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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Message: 13
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:35:23 -0000
   From: "jhburns8" <epelle1@a...>
Subject: Re: strange freeze problem

1) In Shadow.
2) Opened a list that is designated a tasklist, 8 entries, 1,260.
3) Changed the above list to a note.
4) Closed the list.
5) Hit the app launcher - it's not working, frozen.
6) Did a soft reset.
7) After soft reset, I'm sitting on the Palm preferences screen.
8) Hit the app launcher - it takes me back to the Shadow screen.
9) Hit the Todo hard key and I go to ToDo+.
10) Hit the app launcher again and I go to Shadow screen.

John

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
>
> > The list was setup as a tasklist.  I then changed it to a note.
Thats
> > when I noticed I had a problem.  I can use the hard keys to move
> > around my handheld. If I go to any other app using the hard keys,
> > then hit the applications launcher button, It takes me back to
the
> > Shadow screen list. I then do a soft reset, but the app launcher
> > still does not work correctly.
>
> 	OKay, nail it down for me :)
>
> 	1) In Shadow
> 	2) Using a list no problem
> 	3) Go to another app (using a Shadow goto)
> 	4) Hit Home and it returns to Shadow (due to pref)
> 	5) Freeze?
> 	6) Soft reset
> 	7) Still stuck in Shadow for launcher, due to freeze
> 	8) Go to Links preferences, reset launcher.
> 	9) Good to go and annoyed
>
> 	Is that the deal?
>
> 	So the freeze is after returning from a goto?
>
> 		jeff
>
> >
> > John
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > 	All lists, or only specific lists?
> > >
> > > 	I just opened an 80k file on OS 4.1 on a Vx (under emulation),
> > > without any warnings or issues..
> > >
> > > 		jeff
> > >
> > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff,
> > > > I am having exactly the same problem as Anthony is having.
After
> > > > upgrading to ShadowPlan 2.1, I started freezing up after I
opened
> > up
> > > > a list for the first time.
> > > >
> > > > You had better look at this quickly, because I think that it
is
> > > > pointing to a problem between Shadow Plan and OS4.1, and
there
> > must
> > > > be a lot of users with OS4.1. out there that will be having
this
> > same
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > Palm IIIXE
> > > > OS4.1
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've suddenly started having a sort of freeze problem.
If I
> > go
> > > > thru some of
> > > > > > my lists, opening details screen on some items, sometimes
> > > > cancelling out,
> > > > > > sometimes changing a date, occassionally after exiting
the
> > > > datepicker, the
> > > > > > screen is no longer sensitive to taps etc.  the hard
buttons
> > > > still work to
> > > > > > change to another app, but I still cannot tap on the
screen
> > > > anywhere until I
> > > > > > reset.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Palmiiic
> > > > > > OS4.1
> > > > > > sp latest beta
> > > > >
> > > > > 	Thats strange; I wonder if OS 4.1 is getting in the
way
> > > > > somewhere. I just nabbed a rom for it, so perhaps I will
start
> > > > testing
> > > > > against it.
> > > > >
> > > > > 		jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in
your
> > own
> > > > micro
> > > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'.
I
> > mean,
> > > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he
calculate
> > he
> > > > is?"
> > > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your
own
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate
he
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
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>
> --
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micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
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Message: 14
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:39:17 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:

> 1) In Shadow.
> 2) Opened a list that is designated a tasklist, 8 entries, 1,260.
> 3) Changed the above list to a note.
> 4) Closed the list.
> 5) Hit the app launcher - it's not working, frozen.

	So you are sitting at the file listing, and then hit Home to go to
the launcher.. and you get a freeze?

	Thats pretty unusual, since Shadow isn't really doing anything
there.

	Does it only occur with that one list? OR do all of your lists
exhibit this problem?

	Tried disabling hacks?

> 6) Did a soft reset.
> 7) After soft reset, I'm sitting on the Palm preferences screen.
> 8) Hit the app launcher - it takes me back to the Shadow screen.

	See, this is what makes no sense; Shadow only takes over the
launcher if you do a "goto"; it simply does not go near the launcher
settings if you just hit Home.. so something fishy is up.

	Make sure hacks are disabled, and let me know.

	Do you have font bucket installed?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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Message: 15
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:57:25 -0600
   From: "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...>
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

Today I'm unable to duplicate my freezing problem, so perhaps something else
was going on.  My problem happened only in the details screen after
selecting a date in the datepicker.  Once selected and back in the details
view, the screen no longer accepted taps, though I could launch something
else via hardbutton, but even in the other app there was no screen
sensitivity until I soft-reset.  I'll let you know if I run into it again.
My attempt to duplicate it today was by no means exhaustive so perhaps it
may show up again as I use shadow.


>From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: strange freeze problem
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:39:17 -0500 (EST)
>
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, jhburns8 wrote:
>
> > 1) In Shadow.
> > 2) Opened a list that is designated a tasklist, 8 entries, 1,260.
> > 3) Changed the above list to a note.
> > 4) Closed the list.
> > 5) Hit the app launcher - it's not working, frozen.
>
>	So you are sitting at the file listing, and then hit Home to go to
>the launcher.. and you get a freeze?
>
>	Thats pretty unusual, since Shadow isn't really doing anything
>there.
>
>	Does it only occur with that one list? OR do all of your lists
>exhibit this problem?
>
>	Tried disabling hacks?
>
> > 6) Did a soft reset.
> > 7) After soft reset, I'm sitting on the Palm preferences screen.
> > 8) Hit the app launcher - it takes me back to the Shadow screen.
>
>	See, this is what makes no sense; Shadow only takes over the
>launcher if you do a "goto"; it simply does not go near the launcher
>settings if you just hit Home.. so something fishy is up.
>
>	Make sure hacks are disabled, and let me know.
>
>	Do you have font bucket installed?
>
>		jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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Message: 16
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:05:43 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Re: strange freeze problem

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Today I'm unable to duplicate my freezing problem, so perhaps something
else
> was going on.  My problem happened only in the details screen after
> selecting a date in the datepicker.  Once selected and back in the details
> view, the screen no longer accepted taps, though I could launch something
> else via hardbutton, but even in the other app there was no screen
> sensitivity until I soft-reset.  I'll let you know if I run into it again.
> My attempt to duplicate it today was by no means exhaustive so perhaps it
> may show up again as I use shadow.

	Curious. Sounds like an OS bug.. the "date picker" is an OS
routine, entirely.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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Message: 17
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:50:34 -0500
   From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
Subject: Re: password on lists

I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the
built in Security function.

BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit
bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the
screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it
automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit,
but in no other programs or anywhere else in Shadow if I'm not using
mini-edit.  Bug??

Jen

>
> 	Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
> encryption, just a simple entry password)?
>
> 	Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time
you
> wish to open the file you need to enter it.
>
> 	Piggybacking on built in "security app" is system wide, one
> password, doesn't autolock or the like; so you enter your PIN once,
and
> then all your dhadow files would be open, until you locked out by
changing
> back to the security app.
>
> 	Which is preferred?
>
> 	Codewise, piggybacking on the built in is much easier.. if I add
> by-list passwords, then I need to handle file links, and find, and all
> sorts of crazyness. (ie: Find could not work on lists with passwords)
>
> 		jeff

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Message: 18
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:58:09 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: password on lists

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, PocketGoddess wrote:

> I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the
> built in Security function.
>
> BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit
> bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the
> screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it
> automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit,
> but in no other programs or anywhere else in Shadow if I'm not using
> mini-edit.  Bug??

	Word Complete interferes with the normal operation of things; one
of the side effects it has is that small windows in various locations get
weird. Its WC's fault due to how it operates.. not much anyone can do
about it.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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Message: 19
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:05:41 -0600
   From: "Anthony Schellenberg" <aschell2000@h...>
Subject: Re: password on lists




>From: "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...>
>Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] password on lists
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:50:34 -0500
>
>I would like the simple ability to mark certain lists private & use the
>built in Security function.
>
>BTW-- has anyone else had problems with WordComplete and the Mini Edit
>bar?  sometimes I'm graffiting away, nowhere near the part of the
>screen where I tap to accept a word that WordComplete suggests, and it
>automatically gets filled in sometimes when I use the Shadow mini-edit,
>but in no other programs or anywhere else in Shadow if I'm not using
>mini-edit.  Bug??
>
>Jen

Happens to me too.  kind of annoying.   The wordcomplete window will only
show inside the mini edit area.  probably something to do with the list of
words not fitting in the available space?

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Message: 20
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:18:59 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: password on lists

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Anthony Schellenberg wrote:

> Happens to me too.  kind of annoying.   The wordcomplete window will only
> show inside the mini edit area.  probably something to do with the list of
> words not fitting in the available space?

	WC just draws atop the display, assuming that the underlying
window is full screen. The ME is a very small window, and WC just draws
inside of it.. and thus is clipped. WC, if it was smart, would attmept to
detect where the current windfow is, and draw somewhere else, and use its
own clipping rules..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
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Message: 21
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:17:05 -0000
   From: "bstryd610" <bstryd@a...>
Subject: Problem with 2.1

Jeff,

I installed 2.1 and immediately had a problem with a Shadow file I
had not had problems with before.

I edited the file on the desktop. After sync, Shadow on the HH gave
the "cannot load this list" error msg. I re-edited the file on
desktop, checking all the lines. Closing the DT down, I synced again -
- same message. Then I deleted the file on HH, synced and still the
cannot load list message.

I don't know what else to try.



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Message: 22
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:23:58 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: Problem with 2.1

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:

> I installed 2.1 and immediately had a problem with a Shadow file I
> had not had problems with before.

	Not a 2.1 issue; an existing known annoyance with the conduit
(that is very rare for the most part). I hope to fix it soon :(

> I edited the file on the desktop. After sync, Shadow on the HH gave
> the "cannot load this list" error msg. I re-edited the file on
> desktop, checking all the lines. Closing the DT down, I synced again -
> - same message. Then I deleted the file on HH, synced and still the
> cannot load list message.
>
> I don't know what else to try.

	If the file is deleted on the handheld, and you ask the desktop to
upload it, you shoudl be fine. The file will be recreated with no
gotchas. (The problem is a result of a botched sync, where the file gets
left in a mid-sync state, and the handheld and conduit then keep their
hands off to not make it any worse, usually. Deleting or renaming it, and
re-uploading, cfreates a freshnew file, lickity split)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
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Message: 23
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:20:04 -0800
   From: oooieoo@k...
Subject: oh oh... Category/Reset glitchie

Just ran into a problem:

- Tap the List > Preferences
- Tap the OPT button
- Tap the ToDo categories down-arrow
- Select EDIT CATEGORIES
- Select one of the categories
- Tap the DELETE button

Result: If there were any items in the selected category, it results in an
error message, then a reset.
- It's reproducible.
- It doesn't matter if the category was created from within Shadow or the
ToDo app.
- It does it with/without hacks activated.
- It does it with ToDos generated within ShadowPlan (thus linked) or from
within the ToDo app.

I'm using ToDoPlus, but can't recreate the glitch from within that app.

The error message:
"DataMgr.c, Line:5745, Err moving category"

I'm using:
- Vx with Palm OS 3.3
- ShadowPlan v2.1.0

I don't think most people are going to run into this problem, because
people tend to keep their categories. I'm just sorry I hadn't messed with
this until after you put this version out to the world. :*(

Nancy



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Message: 24
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:23:17 -0800
   From: oooieoo@k...
Subject: Re: password on lists

At 05:51 AM 02/19/2002, Jeff wrote:
>         Do folks want passwords on individual lists in Shadow? (Not
>encryption, just a simple entry password)?
>
>         Advantage: Each list can have its own password, and every time you
>wish to open the file you need to enter it.

This would be low on my wishlist, but I know that others would probably
like it a lot.

Nancy





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Message: 25
   Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:45:14 -0000
   From: "bstryd610" <bstryd@a...>
Subject: Re: Problem with 2.1

I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the cannot
load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked about
deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did
before but thought it only effected the links)

"Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"

So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I answer no
to deleting links.

>
> 	If the file is deleted on the handheld, and you ask the
desktop to
> upload it, you shoudl be fine. The file will be recreated with no
> gotchas. (The problem is a result of a botched sync, where the file
gets
> left in a mid-sync state, and the handheld and conduit then keep
their
> hands off to not make it any worse, usually. Deleting or renaming
it, and
> re-uploading, cfreates a freshnew file, lickity split)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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From: arskillings72212  <bob.skillings@A...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:15am
Subject: Future plans to resolve AppLauncher / Goto problem ?

Jeff,

I loaded SP 2.1 the other day and wanted to let you know I'm thrilled 
with the new features, particularly the Days Till Due column !

I'm one of those 'black hat' guys in Quality Assurance responsible 
for coordinating a testing team and I track numerous projects with 
SP.  The days till due feature keeps me on schedule by constantly 
reminding me of time remaining. (Much to the dismay of others, I 
might add !) 

The only issue I have with it is how it displays values greater than 
99 days.  The chevrons >> are fine (with a project more than 99 days 
in the future, I don't particularly care what the value actually is), 
it's the + sign that gets pushed ever so slightly to the left that it 
partially obscures the date information.

I'm still eagerly looking into the other features in this release but 
I'm curious as to if/when you plan on looking at the conflict with 
SP's Goto option and AppLauncher ?

I'm in and out of projects constantly and suffer with resetting the 
AppLauncher back to the default operation when problems occur only to 
immediately go back to reactivating the Goto.

Particulars are as follows;
- Vx
- OS 3.5
- no hacks

From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: Re: password on lists

sounds fine the way you suggest Jeff.  not much use, but once in a while i might if the option were there.  thanks for the work on the latest version too.  enjoying, as always!
kevin

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Mitchell 
  To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] password on lists


  On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Samuel J. Radcliffe wrote:

  > Would "piggybacking" mean that I could mark some lists as "private", and
  > they would be shown only after entering the password? So that lists not
  > marked "private" would always show? This would be consistent with other apps
  > that mark records as "private".

        Exactly; I would just make a flag which when present would just
  hide the list unless you've "unlocked" the unit using the normal palm
  system. Not record level yet, and not crypted.. just hidden.

              jeff




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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:38am
Subject: Re: Re: Problem with 2.1

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:

> Yea, but the one from the DT still comes in broken and will not load.

	Try it again -- It definitly works; I've never heard of one
uploaded that didn't work. If you have it removed or renameds on the
handheld, and you upload it, and its bad, do a file find for the
lastsync.xtxt (immediately, not after another sync), and send it to
me.. I'll take a look and let you know whats up.

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:
> > 
> > > I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the 
> cannot 
> > > load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked 
> about 
> > > deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did 
> > > before but thought it only effected the links) 
> > > 
> > > "Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"
> > 
> > 	Dont' answer yes to that dialog; fi the file is broken, then 
> linkm
> > checks against it will fail :( Just hit no to this, and then the 
> file can
> > be deleted. (I know, its annoying)
> > 
> > > So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I 
> answer no 
> > > to deleting links. 
> > 
> > 	You can rename it, to get it out of the way, as well.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:39am
Subject: Re: Re: password on lists (now text entering assist)

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 jeff.resener@s... wrote:

> When using Shadow mini-edit screen and TextPlus, I can only see the
> TextPlus suggestions within the mini-edit screen which makes TextPlus
> pretty useless in that function. It would also leave bars across the height
> of the line in two or three places within the mini screen, these do not
> show once entered. I have had to turn the mini-edit function off which is a
> pity since I do so much text entry into Shadow as my primary planning and
> tracking tool. Either that or turn TextPlus off.
> any ideas Jeff?

	Bugs in TextPlus.

	(ie: Shadow uses normal OS routines for that stuff; if they're not
working, its them. More specifically, they're not handling drawing into a
small form, properly. They're also on crack, since they shoudl detect
where the cursor is and draw somewhere else...)

		jeff

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:40am
Subject: Re: Re: Problem with 2.1

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, bstryd610 wrote:

> Jeff, I should have ammended....I CANNOT delete the new file on the 
> HH unless I answer NO to delete links and NO to sweep for history 
> insertions.

	Yep; the file is broken.. so when it goes minesweeping, it blows
up :(  Its on my list of things to look into.. how to work around when its
broke. Higher priority is fixing it so it never gets broke, though -- I
say, don't fight fires, fight things that start fires.

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., "bstryd610" <bstryd@a...> wrote:
> > I believe that is the last thing I tried and still I get the cannot 
> > load msg. I just tried to delete it on the HH again. When asked 
> about 
> > deleting links, I answer yes. Then I got this message (as I did 
> > before but thought it only effected the links) 
> > 
> > "Dataamgr.c,Line 8589, Index out of range"
> > 
> > So, I cannot load the new file nor can I delete it unless I answer 
> no 
> > to deleting links. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 	If the file is deleted on the handheld, and you ask the 
> > desktop to
> > > upload it, you shoudl be fine. The file will be recreated with no
> > > gotchas. (The problem is a result of a botched sync, where the 
> file 
> > gets
> > > left in a mid-sync state, and the handheld and conduit then keep 
> > their
> > > hands off to not make it any worse, usually. Deleting or renaming 
> > it, and
> > > re-uploading, cfreates a freshnew file, lickity split)
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:43am
Subject: Re: Clie and Handera folks!

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> i'd agree re: Sony Clie...jog dial (screen at a time, not line at a
> time) and back button support first...jog dial is used extensively
> here.  thanks.

	Back button == Done?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 0:44am
Subject: RE: Digest Number 399

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Elwood Matthews wrote:

> When attemp