From: Jeff Arnfield  <jarnfiel@l...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:12am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: C) about 600

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
>

From: Jeff Arnfield  <jarnfiel@l...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:12am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: C) about 600

Option C -- about 600

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
>

From: easy-123@e...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:14am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

b) less than 500

From: Ken Gordon  <ksg@t...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:25am
Subject: RE: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

b)

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 2001, March, Friday 5:01 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@j...
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!
>
>
>
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
>
> 	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
>
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
>
> 	Jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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From: The Weltons  <rwelton@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:38am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

C> 629 entries

From: Aaron Ebata  <aebata@h...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:41am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Less than 500

Aaron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Mitchell" <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@j...>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!


>
> How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
>
> Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
>
> Do you have:
> a) Less than 100
> b) Less than 500
> c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> d) More than 1000
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
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From: Dave Lowe  <davelowe_99@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:52am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

The correct answer is 

d) More than 1000 (closer to 2000)

Dave


3/23/2001 2:01:29 PM, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

>	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
>approximately?  (in all categories)
>
>	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
>everyone.
>
>	Do you have:
>	a) Less than 100
>	b) Less than 500
>	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
>	d) More than 1000
>
>	Jeff
>
>--
>"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
>circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
>sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
>-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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>
>

From: Don Kurre  <dk40410@a...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 1:45am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Jeff, I have about 600 addressbook entries
Don

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@j...>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!


>
> How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
>
> Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
>
> Do you have:
> a) Less than 100
> b) Less than 500
> c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> d) More than 1000
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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>
>

From: F&B Sachs  <rsachs@b...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:42am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Jeff,

I have Less than 1000.

Bob Sachs

From: cfralick@i...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:39am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

B. Less than 500

From: chodges@f...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:54am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

I have more than 100 but less than 500.

christopher Hodges

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 4:01am
Subject: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

c)  about 750

From: ccahua@m...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 5:02am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Hi jeff, 

Just registered yesterday.
I have 512 records showing from the info screen
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "F&B Sachs" <rsachs@b...> wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> I have Less than 1000.
> 
> Bob Sachs

From: robertsjb2000@y...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 6:26am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> 
> 	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
> 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
> 
> 	Jeff


Answer: D)  Just over 1000

By the way, thank you and the others for the quick response to the 
question about keyboard support.  I'll remind you later about menu 
support.  Wordsmith did a great job of implementing this feature.

I'm starting to use ShadowPlan more and more.  This is a great 
program and you've done a terrific job of supporting it.  A couple 
additional comments/questions:

1.  I'm currently using version 1.4.17 and haven't experienced any of 
the delay problems using the links to addresses or memos with the 
categories that others have related.  I use Action Names as a 
datebook/address replacement.  However, I did notice that the link to 
Action Names for the address book took me to the wrong spot like it 
used to for to-do's.  Wonder if it might be a similar bug.

2.  How difficult would it be to incorporate a similar category 
feature for linking to-dos where you could pick the category to link 
to on an item basis rather than list?  This would really be heaven 
for me.

3.  I know you're already planning on creating the ability to link 
from one files item to an item in a different file.  When this is 
implemented, would you also be able to link the progress bar on an 
item in one list to the progress bar of an item in a second list?   
This would allow for a sort of master list of projects that is linked 
to more detailed lists but could show the overall progress on those 
projects automatically.

Keep up the good work.  With improved keyboard support and the 
desktop application, this is going to be one incredible app! (as if 
it isn't already :)

From: verxion@p...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 7:05am
Subject: A. < 100

NT

From: L Newman  <lnewman@n...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 9:34am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Less than 500

Len
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
To: <shadow-discuss@j...>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:01 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!


>
> How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
>
> Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
>
> Do you have:
> a) Less than 100
> b) Less than 500
> c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> d) More than 1000
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw98@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 9:46am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

b) Less than 500

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> 
> 	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
> 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
> 
> 	Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: yahoo@p...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 10:37am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Close to 1000 entries

From: demetrios@c...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 0:36pm
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

962


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> - Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: hisimage8@y...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 1:05pm
Subject: Default Color in Outlines

Jeff, 

Is there a way to change the default color that we use in our 
outlines?  I know that I can manually set each one but what I'd like 
to do is to set a color, say blue, as the color that everything new 
will be put in as.  In the same vein, is there a way to change the 
color of an existing list without changing each one individually? 

thanks

Patricia

From: mandora@a...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:36pm
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> 
> 	Less than or equal to 1000 - Morris Manning - actually 702 
and list grows about 50 per year.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 robertsjb2000@y... wrote:

> 1.  I'm currently using version 1.4.17 and haven't experienced any of 
> the delay problems using the links to addresses or memos with the 
> categories that others have related.  I use Action Names as a 
> datebook/address replacement.  However, I did notice that the link to 

	Try 1.4.20; with the category support in the link manager and new
from boxes, its slowed down a bunch (suporting categories hurts). Just
wantint go make sure its acceptible.

> Action Names for the address book took me to the wrong spot like it 
> used to for to-do's.  Wonder if it might be a similar bug.

	Yeah, it'll get fixed for 1.5.0.

> 2.  How difficult would it be to incorporate a similar category 
> feature for linking to-dos where you could pick the category to link 
> to on an item basis rather than list?  This would really be heaven 
> for me.

	That'll be after 1.5.0; its a bit tricky, so I'd rathe not break
anything this close to release :)

> item in one list to the progress bar of an item in a second list?   
> This would allow for a sort of master list of projects that is linked 
> to more detailed lists but could show the overall progress on those 
> projects automatically.

	This stuff is down the road (after better desktop support).. we
can fight about it then. Good idea though.. it makes sense.

> Keep up the good work.  With improved keyboard support and the 
> desktop application, this is going to be one incredible app! (as if 
> it isn't already :)

	Thanks :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 3:21pm
Subject: Re: Default Color in Outlines

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 hisimage8@y... wrote:

> Is there a way to change the default color that we use in our 
> outlines?  I know that I can manually set each one but what I'd like 
> to do is to set a color, say blue, as the color that everything new 
> will be put in as.  In the same vein, is there a way to change the 
> color of an existing list without changing each one individually? 

	Interesting; thereisnt' a current way to change the colour of
everything, without using Hilights (though thats not what you want to do
for this).  You just prefer a different item colour?

	I was thinking of eventually adding a default "foreground" and
"background" colour and the like, but never got to it.

	Does anyoen else need this?

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw98@y...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 5:28pm
Subject: Re: Default Color in Outlines

> 	I was thinking of eventually adding a default "foreground" and
> "background" colour and the like, but never got to it.
> 
> 	Does anyoen else need this?

I use color coding quite frequently and consistently in DateBk4 to 
reflect the different types of appointments/todos I have. It gives me 
a great "at a glance" overview of a day, week or month. It would be 
nice if I could get Shadow's color scheme to match the one I already 
use in DateBk4. It's no show stopper for me though.

So if this can be done with little impact to your schedule and 
Shadow's footprint, then yes, it would be really nice to have. If it 
takes significant resources, then I'd place it lower on my priority 
list if I were you.

Roy.

From: rshupe@i...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 5:50pm
Subject: Re:Question/Poll

I have 284 entries in my address book.

From: siggi@i...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 9:49pm
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

About 1000

From: verxion@p...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 10:23pm
Subject: Re: Default Color in Outlines

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	Interesting; thereisnt' a current way to change the colour of
> everything, without using Hilights (though thats not what you want 
to do
> for this).  You just prefer a different item colour?
> 
> 	I was thinking of eventually adding a default "foreground" and
> "background" colour and the like, but never got to it.
> 
> 	Does anyoen else need this?
> 
> 		Jeff

I have asked for this in the past.  What I really think would be 
easiest is (if you have a color palm available) for you to load up 
Khroma, and make sure that Shadow Plan honours the settings in Khroma 
(it currently doesn't).  Once you have that, people can configure the 
basic colors of Shadow Plan just like all their other apps (and for 
free too).

After that point, allowing specific colors in Shadow Plan would 
follow later.

-Joe Chott

From: hisimage8@y...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 10:45pm
Subject: Re: Default Color in Outlines

to load up 
> Khroma, and make sure that Shadow Plan honours the settings in 
Khroma 
> (it currently doesn't).  Once you have that, people can configure 
the 
> basic colors of Shadow Plan just like all their other apps (and for 
> free too).
> 
 
Actually, I've been using Chrome (I don't know what Khroma is) ever 
since my I got my IIIc (now Prism) and Shadow does honor Chrome a 
little -- if you don't use the Col-bg option in Shadow you will get 
the background that you've chosen for your Chrome scheme.  I have a 
very dark background in my Chrome scheme and would like to be able to 
make my text a light color for better visibility.  Also, I would like 
to be able to change the whole outline at once because I often change 
the color scheme (it's just a quick tap or two) depending on what the 
lighting is like where I'm working.  That's why I was asking about 
this option.  

Patricia

From: hisimage8@y...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2001 10:47pm
Subject: Re:Question/Poll

Address entries -- 

less than 500

From: tombishop@q...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 0:20am
Subject: Re: Default Color in Outlines

I would really like to be able to set the color of items.  It allows 
be to instantly, at a glance, recognize certain types of items.

Tom

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

> 	Interesting; thereisnt' a current way to change the colour of
> everything, without using Hilights (though thats not what you want 
to do
> for this).  You just prefer a different item colour?
> 
> 	I was thinking of eventually adding a default "foreground" and
> "background" colour and the like, but never got to it.
> 
> 	Does anyoen else need this?
> 
> 		Jeff

From: davids@m...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 1:03am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)

1500+

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:02am
Subject: Most current beta available

I saw the following quote from Jeff in another post: "Try 1.4.20; 
with the category support in the link manager and new
from boxes, its slowed down a bunch (suporting categories hurts). Just
wantint go make sure its acceptible."

I hadn't seen anything more recent than 1.4.16.  Where can we get 
1.4.20?

Henry

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:40am
Subject: Re: Re: Default Color in Outlines

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 verxion@p... wrote:

> I have asked for this in the past.  What I really think would be 
> easiest is (if you have a color palm available) for you to load up 
> Khroma, and make sure that Shadow Plan honours the settings in Khroma 
> (it currently doesn't).  Once you have that, people can configure the 
> basic colors of Shadow Plan just like all their other apps (and for 
> free too).
> 
> After that point, allowing specific colors in Shadow Plan would 
> follow later.

	I will have to look up the info for Khroma; I'm so far playing it
pretty safe, in the name of compatability. Doing a lot of colour tricks
with other apps can make it difficult to be compatible on all machines, so
so far I've erred in favour of safety. Colour is very good in Shadow.. but
I agree.. I could do so much more :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:41am
Subject: Re: Re: Default Color in Outlines

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 hisimage8@y... wrote:

> to be able to change the whole outline at once because I often change 
> the color scheme (it's just a quick tap or two) depending on what the 
> lighting is like where I'm working.  That's why I was asking about 
> this option.  

	OKay, heres a plan -- can you guys bring it up again in two weeks
or so, once I've had 1.5.0 out the door, and a little break out of the
way.. and then we can start thinking about colour again. I have a Prism as
well, so colour is my interests too ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:45am
Subject: Re: Re: Default Color in Outlines

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 tombishop@q... wrote:

> I would really like to be able to set the color of items.  It allows 
> be to instantly, at a glance, recognize certain types of items.

	You can already set the colour of individual items. (Go to item
details, and look in the bottom right for a solid black box. Hit that to
get a colour picker). We're talking about mroe global defaults.. like
setting the default background colour, text colour, etc.  You can also do
hilights right now.. take a look under the List menu, and hit
Hilight.. great fun :)

		jeff

> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> > 	Interesting; thereisnt' a current way to change the colour of
> > everything, without using Hilights (though thats not what you want 
> to do
> > for this).  You just prefer a different item colour?
> > 
> > 	I was thinking of eventually adding a default "foreground" and
> > "background" colour and the like, but never got to it.
> > 
> > 	Does anyoen else need this?
> > 
> > 		Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 2:51am
Subject: Re: Most current beta available

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:

> I saw the following quote from Jeff in another post: "Try 1.4.20; 
> with the category support in the link manager and new
> from boxes, its slowed down a bunch (suporting categories hurts). Just
> wantint go make sure its acceptible."
> 
> I hadn't seen anything more recent than 1.4.16.  Where can we get 
> 1.4.20?

	Ahh, sorry -- I mistyped the address to shadow-discuss
webforum. It is just a prc, and no documents or the like provided. Its
really a very solid alpha.

	I want to know how fast it seems for people, in the new from and
link manager add sections. Categorie slow it down, but I want to kow if
speed is acceptible for most people, and if it works right.

	http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/shadow-test/shadow1420.zip

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: John Lill  <johnlill2@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:29am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: ~150

b) 100-500

Love the program!

From: frazure@m...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:45am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

b

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> 
> 	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
> 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
> 
> 	Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 4:09am
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

How do you move up and down the list with the keyboard?  I have been 
able to "page up/down" but haven't figured out how to simply move 
from item to item down a list.  This looks like a fantastic app-- but 
I'm 99% sure I'd use my PPK to enter the bulk of the info I put into 
it, and I'm picking up my stylus every time I want to move to another 
item I've already entered.

Thanks in advance!

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> I just realized this the other day that Jeff HAD added quite a bit 
of 
> keyboard support to the latest version! I love the use of the 
arrows 
> to expand and collapse lists and also the ability to go up or down 
> the list. I haven't tried the demote/promote options with the space 
> bar and backspace, but I'm heading there now! Great work!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Tamim Azizadah
> www.twinmoons.com

From: eyesick@u...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 5:48am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER! about 150

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> 
> 	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
> 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
> 
 150~

From: elfinger@v...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 6:00am
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

I've been just using the up and down arrows. Are those not working 
for you?

Best Regards,

Tamim Azizadah
www.twinmoons.com

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., psvincent@m... wrote:
> How do you move up and down the list with the keyboard?  I have 
been 
> able to "page up/down" but haven't figured out how to simply move 
> from item to item down a list.  This looks like a fantastic app-- 
but 
> I'm 99% sure I'd use my PPK to enter the bulk of the info I put 
into 
> it, and I'm picking up my stylus every time I want to move to 
another 
> item I've already entered.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> > I just realized this the other day that Jeff HAD added quite a 
bit 
> of 
> > keyboard support to the latest version! I love the use of the 
> arrows 
> > to expand and collapse lists and also the ability to go up or 
down 
> > the list. I haven't tried the demote/promote options with the 
space 
> > bar and backspace, but I'm heading there now! Great work!
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Tamim Azizadah
> > www.twinmoons.com

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

Nope.  When I enter several lines into an outline, and want to return 
to a previous line, I can't get the arrow keys on the PPK to move the 
selected line.

Hmmm... maybe I'd better try playing with hacks and drivers to see if 
there isn't a conflict somewhere along the line.  It seemed like 
something so very basic that it *must* already be included... that's 
why I decided to ask here.  For the record, I'm using OS 3.3, Palm 
IIIx, several hacks installed.  Oh yeah, and Palm keyboard driver 
v1.2.  I'll let you know what I find.

Thanks for the quick reply!

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> I've been just using the up and down arrows. Are those not working 
> for you?
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Tamim Azizadah
> www.twinmoons.com
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., psvincent@m... wrote:
> > How do you move up and down the list with the keyboard?  I have 
> been 
> > able to "page up/down" but haven't figured out how to simply move 
> > from item to item down a list.  This looks like a fantastic app-- 
> but 
> > I'm 99% sure I'd use my PPK to enter the bulk of the info I put 
> into 
> > it, and I'm picking up my stylus every time I want to move to 
> another 
> > item I've already entered.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> > > I just realized this the other day that Jeff HAD added quite a 
> bit 
> > of 
> > > keyboard support to the latest version! I love the use of the 
> > arrows 
> > > to expand and collapse lists and also the ability to go up or 
> down 
> > > the list. I haven't tried the demote/promote options with the 
> space 
> > > bar and backspace, but I'm heading there now! Great work!
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > 
> > > Tamim Azizadah
> > > www.twinmoons.com

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

With no hacks running, I still can't get the arrow keys to work.  I 
uninstalled all hacks, did a soft reset, and it still doesn't work.  
I can move an individual item around using Tab/Shift 
Tab/space/backspace... but I can't simply move from one item to 
another using arrow keys.  In fact, the arrow keys on my Palm 
keyboard do absolutely nothing with this program.  

Any ideas?

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., psvincent@m... wrote:
> Nope.  When I enter several lines into an outline, and want to 
return 
> to a previous line, I can't get the arrow keys on the PPK to move 
the 
> selected line.
> 
> Hmmm... maybe I'd better try playing with hacks and drivers to see 
if 
> there isn't a conflict somewhere along the line.  It seemed like 
> something so very basic that it *must* already be included... 
that's 
> why I decided to ask here.  For the record, I'm using OS 3.3, Palm 
> IIIx, several hacks installed.  Oh yeah, and Palm keyboard driver 
> v1.2.  I'll let you know what I find.
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply!
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> > I've been just using the up and down arrows. Are those not 
working 
> > for you?
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Tamim Azizadah
> > www.twinmoons.com
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., psvincent@m... wrote:
> > > How do you move up and down the list with the keyboard?  I have 
> > been 
> > > able to "page up/down" but haven't figured out how to simply 
move 
> > > from item to item down a list.  This looks like a fantastic app-
- 
> > but 
> > > I'm 99% sure I'd use my PPK to enter the bulk of the info I put 
> > into 
> > > it, and I'm picking up my stylus every time I want to move to 
> > another 
> > > item I've already entered.
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> > > > I just realized this the other day that Jeff HAD added quite 
a 
> > bit 
> > > of 
> > > > keyboard support to the latest version! I love the use of the 
> > > arrows 
> > > > to expand and collapse lists and also the ability to go up or 
> > down 
> > > > the list. I haven't tried the demote/promote options with the 
> > space 
> > > > bar and backspace, but I'm heading there now! Great work!
> > > > 
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Tamim Azizadah
> > > > www.twinmoons.com

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Keyboard support

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:

> How do you move up and down the list with the keyboard?  I have been 
> able to "page up/down" but haven't figured out how to simply move 
> from item to item down a list.  This looks like a fantastic app-- but 
> I'm 99% sure I'd use my PPK to enter the bulk of the info I put into 
> it, and I'm picking up my stylus every time I want to move to another 
> item I've already entered.

	The cursor keys allow you to move the selection up and down, and
collapse/expand items. But only if your'e using a beta greater than
1.4.0. If you're on 1.4.0, just wait until tomorrow or Tuesday when I
release 1.5.0..

		jeff

> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
> > I just realized this the other day that Jeff HAD added quite a bit 
> of 
> > keyboard support to the latest version! I love the use of the 
> arrows 
> > to expand and collapse lists and also the ability to go up or down 
> > the list. I haven't tried the demote/promote options with the space 
> > bar and backspace, but I'm heading there now! Great work!
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Tamim Azizadah
> > www.twinmoons.com
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Keyboard support

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:

> With no hacks running, I still can't get the arrow keys to work.  I 
> uninstalled all hacks, did a soft reset, and it still doesn't work.  
> I can move an individual item around using Tab/Shift 
> Tab/space/backspace... but I can't simply move from one item to 
> another using arrow keys.  In fact, the arrow keys on my Palm 
> keyboard do absolutely nothing with this program.  

	Check your Shadow Plan version and let us know..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 6:43pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

You were right... I noticed right after I posted my last message that 
there was an earlier message in the list referring to the "latest 
beta version."  On a hunch, I installed it and VOILA! it works.  Even 
with 8 hacks, QuickBits and TornadoV installed, the arrow keys work 
just fine.  What an awesome program.  Looks like I'll be registering 
this one.  :)

And thanks for the help Tamim.  If you hadn't let me know that 
support for arrow keys was now included, I probably wouldn't have 
kept exploring and tried the beta.

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:
> 
> > With no hacks running, I still can't get the arrow keys to work.  
I 
> > uninstalled all hacks, did a soft reset, and it still doesn't 
work.  
> > I can move an individual item around using Tab/Shift 
> > Tab/space/backspace... but I can't simply move from one item to 
> > another using arrow keys.  In fact, the arrow keys on my Palm 
> > keyboard do absolutely nothing with this program.  
> 
> 	Check your Shadow Plan version and let us know..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: elfinger@v...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

No problem, you're very welcome! Glad it worked out for you. 
Actually, I found out the cursor keys work in Shadow by accident! If 
you're a keyboard user, I would also like to HIGHLY recommend 
LaptopHack from Paul Nevai and PointerHack (free). Both of these 
hacks add so much keyboard functionality that you'll barely need to 
touch your stylus again. You can find both hacks on Palmgear.com.

Best Regards,

Tamim Azizadah
www.twinmoons.com


> 
> And thanks for the help Tamim.  If you hadn't let me know that 
> support for arrow keys was now included, I probably wouldn't have 
> kept exploring and tried the beta.
> 
> Mark
>

From: cptguy@a...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2001 7:24pm
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

Six hundred ninety eight

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 1:45am
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

These are among my favorite apps!  I love LTH-- I agree 
wholeheartedly with the recommendation.

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., elfinger@v... wrote:
If 
> you're a keyboard user, I would also like to HIGHLY recommend 
> LaptopHack from Paul Nevai and PointerHack (free). Both of these 
> hacks add so much keyboard functionality that you'll barely need to 
> touch your stylus again. You can find both hacks on Palmgear.com.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Tamim Azizadah
> www.twinmoons.com
> 
> 
> > 
> > And thanks for the help Tamim.  If you hadn't let me know that 
> > support for arrow keys was now included, I probably wouldn't have 
> > kept exploring and tried the beta.
> > 
> > Mark
> >

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 1:52am
Subject: using Shadow for to dos

I registered Shadow today, and want to use it to keep a "master list" 
of projects and todos.  I'd like to be able to selectively put *some* 
Shadow items into my to do app (and in Datebk4), and it looks like 
Shadow's linking is just the ticket.  I think this system would work 
out a bit better if I could quickly and easily determine which of the 
items on my Shadow list have been linked to these apps.  Would it be 
possible to add a filter and/or highlight menu item so that linked 
items could be chosen for those purposes?

One other thought... any chance that an item marked as a "done" 
appointment (not todo) in Datebk4 could then be marked as done in 
Shadow?  And one more, while I'm generating work for Jeff... would it 
be possible to specify a default category for either To Do or Datebk4 
links?

Thanks in advance.  This is an awesome program as is-- hope these 
feature requests don't sound too demanding coming from a newbie. :)

Mark

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:33am
Subject: Re: using Shadow for to dos

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:

> Shadow's linking is just the ticket.  I think this system would work 
> out a bit better if I could quickly and easily determine which of the 
> items on my Shadow list have been linked to these apps.  Would it be 
> possible to add a filter and/or highlight menu item so that linked 
> items could be chosen for those purposes?

	I will be (eventually) adding a customizable filter screen, so you
can whatever you like. For now, turning on the link arrow column will
quickly let you see if anitem has any links from it, and turning on the
todo-link column gives you a quick way to see, disable, enable todo links.

> One other thought... any chance that an item marked as a "done" 
> appointment (not todo) in Datebk4 could then be marked as done in 
> Shadow?  And one more, while I'm generating work for Jeff... would it 

	A shadow item linked to todo or datebook will become checked if
you check the corresponding item in the todo/datebook,a nd vice
versa. Thats what the link is for ;)

> be possible to specify a default category for either To Do or Datebk4 
> links?

	1.5.0 allows you to set a default todo link category; the datebook
doesn't have categories (though datebk4 allows them. I'll support that
later)

> Thanks in advance.  This is an awesome program as is-- hope these 
> feature requests don't sound too demanding coming from a newbie. :)

	All requests welcome!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:23am
Subject: Re: using Shadow for to dos

The *to do* items in Datebk4 that are marked complete do show up as 
complete in Shadow... but *appointments*?  (marking appts. as "done" 
is another feature of Datebk4 that isn't in the original Datebook 
app.)  When I mark an appointment in Datebk4 as "done", either by 
checking the appropriate box in the Datebk4 appt. details box or by 
swiping left to right through the time of the appointment, it doesn't 
seem to do anything to the linked Shadow item.  Am I doing something 
wrong?  Wouldn't be the first time.  :)

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > One other thought... any chance that an item marked as a "done" 
> > appointment (not todo) in Datebk4 could then be marked as done in 
> > Shadow?  And one more, while I'm generating work for Jeff... 
would it 
> 
> 	A shadow item linked to todo or datebook will become checked 
if
> you check the corresponding item in the todo/datebook,a nd vice
> versa. Thats what the link is for ;)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 0:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: using Shadow for to dos

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:

> app.)  When I mark an appointment in Datebk4 as "done", either by 
> checking the appropriate box in the Datebk4 appt. details box or by 
> swiping left to right through the time of the appointment, it doesn't 
> seem to do anything to the linked Shadow item.  Am I doing something 
> wrong?  Wouldn't be the first time.  :)

	Ahh; Currently, Shadow works very well with the todo and datebook
databases, but I don't do much in the way of other-peoples-extensions,
since they're nonstandard and only useful to groups of people. ie: A lot
of users are DateBk4, DateBk3, DateBookPlus, Action Names, and other app
users, though DB4 and AN definitely have the majority. So once things are
more or less "done" in Shadow, I'll add more specifics for DB4.. but it
seems to me to do things foreveryone first, and then go into working on
little things later. But we'll see.. (I like DB4 icons :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: GL Bucher  <buch2001@u...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:00pm
Subject: Re: [Re: Re: Default Color in Outlines]

I think that someone else mentioned this, but category color support would be
cool. Or you could have it in the list options like you already do for the
different numbering conventions. i.e. Parent Blue, Child Green, Grandchildren
:) Teal, Great-Grandchildren.... you get the idea.

BTW, I really like what you have done with the exporting function. This
program continues to amaze me, and I look forward to your effort on the
desktop.

Gary

Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 tombishop@q... wrote:

> I would really like to be able to set the color of items.  It allows 
> be to instantly, at a glance, recognize certain types of items.

	You can already set the colour of individual items. (Go to item
details, and look in the bottom right for a solid black box. Hit that to
get a colour picker). We're talking about mroe global defaults.. like
setting the default background colour, text colour, etc.  You can also do
hilights right now.. take a look under the List menu, and hit
Hilight.. great fun :)

		jeff

> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> > 	Interesting; thereisnt' a current way to change the colour of
> > everything, without using Hilights (though thats not what you want 
> to do
> > for this).  You just prefer a different item colour?
> > 
> > 	I was thinking of eventually adding a default "foreground" and
> > "background" colour and the like, but never got to it.
> > 
> > 	Does anyoen else need this?
> > 
> > 		Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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From: compugag@i...
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:38pm
Subject: Wrong address getting linked

With 1.420, I've been linking addresses, and I've found that 
sometimes (but not always) instead of linking to the highlighted 
address, the link goes to the address just below that one.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 8:19pm
Subject: Re: Wrong address getting linked

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 compugag@i... wrote:

> With 1.420, I've been linking addresses, and I've found that 
> sometimes (but not always) instead of linking to the highlighted 
> address, the link goes to the address just below that one. 

	In Link Manager, you add a link, and then on the link list in
shadow, it shows the wrong address? OR do you mean after you do a goto to
Action Names it goes to the wrong one?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: compugag@i...
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:11pm
Subject: Re: Wrong address getting linked

I mean the former -- the wrong name shows up on the link list. As I 
said, it happens only sometimes, but a fair amount, and I can't 
figure out when it's right and when it's wrong. 

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 compugag@i... wrote:
> 
> > With 1.420, I've been linking addresses, and I've found that 
> > sometimes (but not always) instead of linking to the highlighted 
> > address, the link goes to the address just below that one. 
> 
> 	In Link Manager, you add a link, and then on the link list in
> shadow, it shows the wrong address? OR do you mean after you do a 
goto to
> Action Names it goes to the wrong one?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:45pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard support

Just to clarify, the arrow keys will navigate within a file, but will 
not work when you are navigating the master list of files.  Is this 
correct?

Henry

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Keyboard support

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 mitz009@a... wrote:

> Just to clarify, the arrow keys will navigate within a file, but will 
> not work when you are navigating the master list of files.  Is this 
> correct?

	An interesting point. I will have to add some key navigation to
the front screen soon. Can you remind me in a week or two when things have
settled down?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mitz009@a...
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 6:58pm
Subject: keyboard support

absolutely.  Will make my life easier if you can do it.

Thanks,

Henry

From: Gretchen Cawthon  <1drummer@m...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 9:04pm
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

I have 643 total address entries.

Gretchen

From: pradley@r...
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 9:40pm
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

More than a 1000. Philippe Radley


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	How many addressbook entries do you have on your palm,
> approximately?  (in all categories)
> 
> 	Please let me know ASAP ... it'll help me get 1.5.0 out to
> everyone.
> 
> 	Do you have:
> 	a) Less than 100
> 	b) Less than 500
> 	c) Less than (or equal to :) 1000
> 	d) More than 1000
> 
> 	Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 3:23am
Subject: Re: keyboard support

May I make a pitch for a couple more tweaks to the keyboard support?  

I'd like to have one item of an outine selected when I open it (top 
line maybe?).  As is, when I use my keyboard, I have to tap on "open" 
and then tap on a line to "wake up" use of the arrow keys.

I've also found that if I have more than one screen of info in an 
outline and the last item has >1 line, scrolling to the bottom does 
not reveal the whole item-- only the top line.  Does the same using 
the menu "next item" command.

I've also found that when I use arrow keys to scroll back up to the 
top the whole outline suddenly disappears when I get to the top.  The 
screen gets redrawn if I use "page down."

I'd bet this is a deliberate choice, but would it be possible to at 
least allow users the option to not have the details screen opened up 
by default when one types a new item in an outline?  I'd love to just 
be able to see the item as it appears on the outline while I'm typing 
it... maybe then a simple down arrow or "done" would allow one to 
move to another point in the outline.  I realize that some probably 
always set dates or numbering when entering items, but I rarely do.

Finally, I'd like to see a way (aside from LapTopHack and/or 
PointerHack) to select and open an outline from the list of all 
outlines.

Despite the fact that I've developed the fine art of finding such 
things (making work for developers), I love this program.  It has 
already become the center of my schedule planning-- I've mapped a 
hardware button to it (high praise indeed from a long-time Palm 
user).  I'm not offended if you ignore my suggestions-- it is your 
baby and you've done an incredible job so far.  :)

Mark

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., mitz009@a... wrote:
> absolutely.  Will make my life easier if you can do it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Henry

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 3:33am
Subject: Re: QUESTION/POLL: PLEASE ANSWER!

> 	b) Less than 500

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 4:02am
Subject: Re: Re: keyboard support

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:

> May I make a pitch for a couple more tweaks to the keyboard support?  

	Sure. I'll make a 1.5.5 update in a week or two to include these
sort sof things.

> I'd like to have one item of an outine selected when I open it (top 
> line maybe?).  As is, when I use my keyboard, I have to tap on "open" 
> and then tap on a line to "wake up" use of the arrow keys.

	Anyone else agree? To alway select the screens topmost item after
a load?

> I've also found that if I have more than one screen of info in an 
> outline and the last item has >1 line, scrolling to the bottom does 
> not reveal the whole item-- only the top line.  Does the same using 
> the menu "next item" command.

	Your right. A few people have mentioned this. I will make it try
and reveal more of the information.

> I've also found that when I use arrow keys to scroll back up to the 
> top the whole outline suddenly disappears when I get to the top.  The 
> screen gets redrawn if I use "page down."

	Does this only happen with the keyboard scroll up, then?

> be able to see the item as it appears on the outline while I'm typing 
> it... maybe then a simple down arrow or "done" would allow one to 
> move to another point in the outline.  I realize that some probably 
> always set dates or numbering when entering items, but I rarely do.

	I'll be adding this sort of thing "eventually"; It was a choice I
made up front, so that I could capture more data about an item right from
the onset. I always assumed people would enter less often than they would
read the data (bad assumption!), so the capture dialog made sense.
Changing it now is lots of work,s ince it changes the UI -- tapping on an
item.. shoudl it select it, or put a cursor in it? I am planning on making
this a pref in the future.. since it suits two different sets of people
very well -- task managers will likely want the details behaviour as it is
now, and journalists or meeting note stakers amy likely want to just skip
the details screen and type away..

> Finally, I'd like to see a way (aside from LapTopHack and/or 
> PointerHack) to select and open an outline from the list of all 
> outlines.

	What do you mean?

> things (making work for developers), I love this program.  It has 
> already become the center of my schedule planning-- I've mapped a 
> hardware button to it (high praise indeed from a long-time Palm 
> user).  I'm not offended if you ignore my suggestions-- it is your 
> baby and you've done an incredible job so far.  :)

	No no, from day one I've encouraged suggestions. I don't make the
program for me alone, so why shoudl I ony listen to my thoughts? It is
built by request for everyone. This is my personal opinion as a user and a
developer, and I cannot understand why more developers don't do the same..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: psvincent@m...
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 4:29am
Subject: Re: keyboard support

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > I've also found that when I use arrow keys to scroll back up to 
the 
> > top the whole outline suddenly disappears when I get to the top.  
The 
> > screen gets redrawn if I use "page down."
> 
> 	Does this only happen with the keyboard scroll up, then?

No, I just got it to repeatedly happen with the "previous item" menu 
command.  Happens if I have several screens of data, and I move down 
the outline so that I'm one screen away from the top of the outline 
(that is, the top lines are not visible).  I then select the top item 
showing on the screen, and tap "previous item" or up arrow from the 
keyboard.  My screen goes blank.  Only appears to happen when you are 
one screenful away from the top.

> 
> > Finally, I'd like to see a way (aside from LapTopHack and/or 
> > PointerHack) to select and open an outline from the list of all 
> > outlines.
> 
> 	What do you mean?

I'd love to be able to start the program, see my list of outlines, 
use the arrow keys to move up and down that list and press "return" 
to open the one I want (a la SmartDoc).  I currently have to both tap 
on my selection with the stylus and then tap on "open."

> 	No no, from day one I've encouraged suggestions. I don't make 
the
> program for me alone, so why shoudl I ony listen to my thoughts? It 
is
> built by request for everyone. This is my personal opinion as a 
user and a
> developer, and I cannot understand why more developers don't do the 
same..

I wish more developers did.  :)  People tend to gravitate to those 
who listen... like Steuart Dewar (Datebk4) and Paul Nevai (LapTopHack 
and pEdit).  With any luck, the market will reward you guys.  I just 
don't want to come across as believing that my vision is the correct 
one or most popular, because I'm certain that there are differences.  
In fact I think one of the strongest features of Shadow is the 
ability of the end user to customize it to different needs.  I *love* 
options!

Mark

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 4:44am
Subject: Re: Re: keyboard support

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 psvincent@m... wrote:

> the outline so that I'm one screen away from the top of the outline 
> (that is, the top lines are not visible).  I then select the top item 
> showing on the screen, and tap "previous item" or up arrow from the 
> keyboard.  My screen goes blank.  Only appears to happen when you are 
> one screenful away from the top.

	Strange; so essentially, go to top of list, hit page down button,
hit the up arrow and woof? Weird.

> I'd love to be able to start the program, see my list of outlines, 
> use the arrow keys to move up and down that list and press "return" 
> to open the one I want (a la SmartDoc).  I currently have to both tap 
> on my selection with the stylus and then tap on "open."

	Ah, yes. I'll put this in soon. (Join shadow-test if you want in
on alphas :)

> and pEdit).  With any luck, the market will reward you guys.  I just 
> don't want to come across as believing that my vision is the correct 
> one or most popular, because I'm certain that there are differences.  

	I have a simple philosophy; if someone makes a suggestion I like,
and it doesn't contradict existing stuff, I put it in. If people disagree
with wat I think, and they vote me out, I do it. Since no one has made
some of these suggestions, or the ones that've been made before and I've
not put in yet.. well, they simply have to go in :)

> In fact I think one of the strongest features of Shadow is the 
> ability of the end user to customize it to different needs.  I *love* 
> options!

	heh. The trick is keeping them reasonably organize.d I think
Shadow is one of the most customizable apps ever. But its still (hopefully
;) pretty easy for people to use.. just close your eyes an dhit "OK" ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: F&B Sachs  <rsachs@b...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 4:08pm
Subject: Re: Latest Version

What's the latest alpha or beta version. I had been using 1.4.20. Is 1.4.9 a
later or earlier version.

I know 1.5 is due out momentarily, I'm just wondering.

Bob

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Latest Version

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, F&B Sachs wrote:

> What's the latest alpha or beta version. I had been using 1.4.20. Is 1.4.9 a
> later or earlier version.

	1.4.9 is way old. 1.4.20 is pretty current. (20 is bigger than
9). 1.5.0 will be out in a couple of hours, so get it then :)

> I know 1.5 is due out momentarily, I'm just wondering.

	I've just had no time to polish 1.4.20 any more, so I've been
stalling. Rather than stall any longer, I'm letting 1.5.0 out soon, and
will do some 1.5.x releases to fix anythign that comes up..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 9:01pm
Subject: Shadow Plan 1.5.0 Released!

I like to do this through announce, but I keep finding lots of people in
shadow-discuss but not in shadow-test.. so my apologies for the spam.

There are now two editions of Shadow Plan -- a version for everyone
(Windows, Mac, Unix, you name it), and a version enhanced for Windows
users.

Generic Edition:
http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/binaries/shadow150gen.zip

Windows Enhanced Edition:
http://www.codejedi.com/shadowplan/binaries/shadow150win.zip

This release features improvements all over the place, to make your time
in Shadow Plan more valuable and productive. Get it while its hot :)

An extract from the WhatsNew follows.

		jeff

Shadow Plan 1.5.0
-----------------

Lots happening in this lastest release of Shadow Plan! Be sure to keep a
watchful eye on your download sites or my website, as I'm hoping to
release some Windows tools soon to translate your Shadow Plan files into
RTF, HTML, and other useful formats!

Shadow Plan 1.5.0 is another huge stride forward for Palm outliners and
task managers. You can now link to the Address Book and MemoPad in
addition to the ToDo and Datebook as before. You can archive old items as
you delete them, if you like. Many facets of the application have been
tuned to make your life easier -- Palm global Find is supported, exports
have been improved, group management is easier. For Windows users, a first
step towards desktop support is included in the Windows Enhanced Edition
-- a one way backup conduit that writes its files in the industry standard
XML format. Keep your eyes open for tools to translate the XML into RTF,
HTML, and other useful formats making sharing and printing your data very
easy!

NEW! Windows backup conduit!

NEW! Killer linking! Link to address book and memopad, and expand and
  collapse address and memo links underneath an item right onscreen! Now
  you can appoint people to tasks, easily illustrate who attended a
  meeting or easily identify locations of tasks (or anything else you can
  think of doing!) Set a program to use for jumping to these links. Have
as
  many links on an item as you like!

NEW! Global Find now supported! (Searching through all your Shadow files
  at once now works, and all those nifty hacks that work with Find will be
  happy!)

NEW! Make new items from existing todo and datebook items! Easily allows
  you to create items on your desktop or from other applications, and then
  bring them in as linked (or unlinked) Shadow task items!

NEW! More list-specific options -- autolink all new items to todo, and set
  todo linking category, among other things!

NEW! Archive your items as you delete them! If you don't wish to forget
  an item forever, just archive it! They will show up in a list called
  __ARCHIVE__ in Unfiled. You can edit this list to your desires, too!

NEW! Automaticlly saves your changes if you exit Shadow within Details
  type windows.

NEW! Drag and drop should help you more with its visual hints!

NEW! Export to DOC! (and soon Import from DOC, too!). Use any of the
  normal exporting formats, too. This should let you communicate
effectively
  with palm word processors, and allows you to get your data to the
  desktop that much easier!

NEW! Can now "goto" links in Action Names! (AN used to go to wrong one,
  due to the way it works)

NEW! Better keyboard and button support -- some new and also more sensible
  shortcuts, more hardware scroll button support, etc. Arrows will move
  the selection point up and down, or collapse/expand items

NEW! Open database and XML formats! Your file operations can be a little
  faster (after a few uses) in this version; in the future they will be
  much faster. Further, other developers are welcome to link to and work
  with Shadow Plan files. Maybe more wonderful tools will pop up from
  others?

NEW! General bugfixes; no more looping display on long lists; demotion and
  promotion now move the item to smarter more useful locations in the
  sublevels and much much more!

I've probably forgotten things, too :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: elfinger@v...
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Plan 1.5.0 Released!

As I write this, I'm downloading the latest version. The feature list 
sounds awesome, and I know it will be. Can't wait to use the linking 
to the address book. It is perfect for assigning people to various 
tasks.

Best Regards,

Tamim Azizadah
www.twinmoons.com

From: verxion@p...
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 10:20pm
Subject: Jeff Mitchell

Thanks for all the hard work.  Take a vacation.  Relax.  Chill.  :)

You deserve it man!  :)

-Joe Chott

P.S. Any word from handspring yet?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 10:22pm
Subject: Re: Jeff Mitchell

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 verxion@p... wrote:

> Thanks for all the hard work.  Take a vacation.  Relax.  Chill.  :)

	I am.. I'm takng 2 or 3 days off to just sit around. My brain
hurts :P

> P.S. Any word from handspring yet?

	ha :) They contacted me to inform me I was a valuable member of
the Palm community, and that they'd help me out if I needed some
information from them. But what I really want is a partnership with them
;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 10:29pm
Subject: Luck? *sigh* Let me know how it goes with 1.5.0..

Looks like 1.5.0 is so far a pretty good and solid release.

	I think 1.5.0 may have found a compiler bug. The Address linking
works well in All on all tested machines, but I think on some machines the
non-All may just find no matches and show an empty list (thats the
compiler bug -- very odd.) One of these days I'll send my list of issues
to CodeWarrior :/

	So if you have this issue.. just use All for now for Addresses
:) Anyway, so be it -- I'm taking a few days vacation. I'm burnt out
bad :P

	Overall, I think 1.5.0 is a pretty good and solid release. Theres
a few snags, but I just couldn't commit an extra 30hour a week to it for
the last couple weeks.. such is life. I'll put out a 1.5.5 soon, with some
more keyboard support, some fixes for whatever folks find in 1.5.0, and
such. Gotta keep everyone on their toes :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Mary Ann Chapman  <chapman@f...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:25pm
Subject: Fwd: To-Do's - Beginner Question

In the manual, section called "List View Screen", 2. The Screen, it shows 
screen shots where a child is checked off and the parent and other children 
remain unchecked.  when I check anything, the parent and all children check 
off.  What am I doing wrong?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 0:04am
Subject: Re: Fwd: To-Do's - Beginner Question

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Mary Ann Chapman wrote:

> In the manual, section called "List View Screen", 2. The Screen, it shows 
> screen shots where a child is checked off and the parent and other children 
> remain unchecked.  when I check anything, the parent and all children check 
> off.  What am I doing wrong?

	I'll have to check the manual, but here are the rules: If you
check a child off, and the whole sublevel becomes complete, the parent is
also checked (which can cause its parent to be checked, and so on, as
levels complete). If you have two items in a sublevel, and check one of
them, the parent wont' check.. its only on completing a level this
happens.

	There is a list option in Shadow Plan 1.5.0 to allow you to turn
off some of these automatic behaviours. If you activate that option
("Suppress autocheck"), then you can check and uncheck things to your
hearts content..

	Sorry, I'm in a super rush right now :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: elfinger@v...
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 0:46am
Subject: Re: Jeff Mitchell

Hi Jeff,

Version 1.5 is awesome. The address book links is a lifesaver and it 
works great. As for Handspring, if you need letters from users to go 
to Handspring, just let us all know. I'm sure we'd all be willing to 
do our part (I've bought visors for my entire company, so they'll 
have to listen!)! Count me in.

Best Regards,

Tamim Azizadah
www.twinmoons.com

> 
> 	ha :) They contacted me to inform me I was a valuable member 
of
> the Palm community, and that they'd help me out if I needed some
> information from them. But what I really want is a partnership with 
them
> ;)
> 
> 		jeff

From: torobfm@y...
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2001 4:06am
Subject: