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| 2801 |
From: grumpstone@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:32pm
Subject: Re: new filter proposal
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Either due today (target), or due before today and not completed. In
Shadow, this would be a combination of "today's target items"
and "incomplete and target overdue."
ToDo+ has a "due" filter. That and the "radar" (due in the next 7
days or undated) are pretty nifty. I think you mentioned once that
you were considering a "radar" filter.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:
>
> > While this ain't a bad idea, I think a filter/highlighter
for "due"
> > items -- one that captures items that are either due today or
> > overdue -- would more useful to more people.
>
> Not already covered?
>
> Define "due"?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2802 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: new filter proposal
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There is a "Current/Past Taregets" filter. Isn't this what your looking
for? I also use ToDo+, and almost always keep it on "Radar".
grumpstone@y...
hoo.com To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
cc:
11/15/2001 Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: new filter proposal
12:32 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
Either due today (target), or due before today and not completed. In
Shadow, this would be a combination of "today's target items"
and "incomplete and target overdue."
ToDo+ has a "due" filter. That and the "radar" (due in the next 7
days or undated) are pretty nifty. I think you mentioned once that
you were considering a "radar" filter.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:
>
> > While this ain't a bad idea, I think a filter/highlighter
for "due"
> > items -- one that captures items that are either due today or
> > overdue -- would more useful to more people.
>
> Not already covered?
>
> Define "due"?
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2803 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: new filter proposal
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:
> Either due today (target), or due before today and not completed. In
> Shadow, this would be a combination of "today's target items"
> and "incomplete and target overdue."
>
> ToDo+ has a "due" filter. That and the "radar" (due in the next 7
> days or undated) are pretty nifty. I think you mentioned once that
> you were considering a "radar" filter.
I added the "next step only" filter to the alpha this morning.
If you want the following, I can add them ASAP (or not for
awhile). I'm in the filter adding mood :)
Due: Target less than or equal to today and unfinished
Radar: Target today or within 6 days of today, or no target, and
unfinished.
Those are useful?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2804 |
From: jreyes1958@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 6:54pm
Subject: filters, filters and project management
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saw the thread on project management and SP and the idea of trying to
link items to each other to set up hierachy of "next steps". so
thought I'd chime in on a related filter matter.
I think the proposed item to item linking idea for project management
is overkill and will overcomplicate the product and then you have a
project manager that doesn't do all the other project management stuff
you need. Microsoft project is pretty easy for example, but people
just don't use it because the linking stuff gets pretty complicated.
SP doesn't need that headache IMHO.
The reason I can't really use SP to manage day to day projects as a
project manager is that null dates are not filtered out in some of the
filters views
For example if i choose current or future targets, i get all the items
that have null dates as well as dated ones,
same thing happens if i choose current/past targets
or choose items starting today -- you get items with null dates as
well as those starting today
the other filters seem to work as advertised but the ones listed above
could be tremendously more usefule than they are if you can suppress
the null dated items
Without being able to suppress null items (i would suggest that you
CAN display null pareents as long as the children meet your criteria)
the filters are useless for finding things to do on a date -- the null
dates just get in the way.
solve this and the project management aspects can be handled a lot easier.
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| 2805 |
From: grumpstone@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re: new filter proposal
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> I added the "next step only" filter to the alpha this
morning.
>
> If you want the following, I can add them ASAP (or not for
> awhile). I'm in the filter adding mood :)
>
> Due: Target less than or equal to today and unfinished
> Radar: Target today or within 6 days of today, or no target, and
> unfinished.
>
> Those are useful?
>
"Due" look great to me, but I have a question about "less than or
equal to" today. Does that mean that items with no target date
appear? Insofar as a target date is a type of deadline, I think the
idea is to have only items with target dates of today or before, but
not undated targets -- an item with no due date is not really due,
and is never overdue. The idea, methinks, is to have a way to
capture time-sensitive items.
"Radar" looks perfect from here.
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| 2806 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:06pm
Subject: Re: filters, filters and project management
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 jreyes1958@y... wrote:
> Without being able to suppress null items (i would suggest that you
> CAN display null pareents as long as the children meet your criteria)
> the filters are useless for finding things to do on a date -- the null
> dates just get in the way.
>
> solve this and the project management aspects can be handled a lot easier.
If everyone agrees, I'll change them. It is easily done.
Anyone who want sto keep undated items showing in most of the
filters?
Need I set up a poll about this in yahoo? (they're fun ;)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2807 |
From: Learned <learned@v...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Project management question...
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Can we take it one step farter and combine that with a
show only incomplete items so we would only see
step 3 in your example?
Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 simonr@e... wrote:
>
> > I'm just starting to use Shadow and I'd like to know if something is
> > possible:
> >
> > - If I have a project with dependencies, e.g. 'paint the wall' must
> > be preceded by 'buy paint' which in turn must be preceded by 'choose
> > colour' - is it possible with Shadow to hide all the tasks that are
> > preceded by an incomplete task? This would help me see the immediate
> > priorities in the forest of actions!
>
> OKay, I'm tired again, didnt' see you were already in
> shadow-discuss :)
>
> Everyone else.. what about this filter idea? Select items that
> have preceeding items checked. So if you had:
>
> X step 1 (checked)
> X step 2 (checked)
> _ step 3
> _ step 4
>
> Then you activate the filter, it'd show:
>
> X step 1
> X step 2
> _ step 3
>
> (step 4 is hidden since it has one previous incomplete item)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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| 2808 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: new filter proposal
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:
> "Due" look great to me, but I have a question about "less than or
> equal to" today. Does that mean that items with no target date
> appear? Insofar as a target date is a type of deadline, I think the
> idea is to have only items with target dates of today or before, but
> not undated targets -- an item with no due date is not really due,
> and is never overdue. The idea, methinks, is to have a way to
> capture time-sensitive items.
Agreed; I should've put that in.
> "Radar" looks perfect from here.
Are we being redundant here? Would these be necessary if the other
filters didn't show undated items?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2809 |
From: grumpstone@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:13pm
Subject: Re: new filter proposal
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
>
> There is a "Current/Past Taregets" filter. Isn't this what your
looking
> for? I also use ToDo+, and almost always keep it on "Radar".
>
>
This is exactly what I was referring to, except that "current/past
targets" includes undated items (most of my items in Shadow are
undated). My suggestion is to include only items that are actually
due or overdue.
The "incomplete and target overdue" comes closest, but it does not
include things that are due today. I guess what I'm asking for
is "incomplete and target overdue or due today."
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| 2810 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: Do we need.. toggle check shortcut?
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For keyboard users. /T is taken, as is /C. IS some shorcut command
key to toggle check needed, and if so.. what key?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2811 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Project management question...
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Learned wrote:
> Can we take it one step farter and combine that with a
> show only incomplete items so we would only see
> step 3 in your example?
I was half asleep. Thats implicit :) (when "Show Next Step
Only" is on, you only see unchecked items, and only the first of any given
series)
jeff
>
> Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 simonr@e... wrote:
> >
> > > I'm just starting to use Shadow and I'd like to know if something is
> > > possible:
> > >
> > > - If I have a project with dependencies, e.g. 'paint the wall' must
> > > be preceded by 'buy paint' which in turn must be preceded by 'choose
> > > colour' - is it possible with Shadow to hide all the tasks that are
> > > preceded by an incomplete task? This would help me see the immediate
> > > priorities in the forest of actions!
> >
> > OKay, I'm tired again, didnt' see you were already in
> > shadow-discuss :)
> >
> > Everyone else.. what about this filter idea? Select items that
> > have preceeding items checked. So if you had:
> >
> > X step 1 (checked)
> > X step 2 (checked)
> > _ step 3
> > _ step 4
> >
> > Then you activate the filter, it'd show:
> >
> > X step 1
> > X step 2
> > _ step 3
> >
> > (step 4 is hidden since it has one previous incomplete item)
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
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>
>
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2812 |
From: grumpstone@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:23pm
Subject: Re: new filter proposal
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:
>
> > "Due" look great to me, but I have a question about "less than or
> > equal to" today. Does that mean that items with no target date
> > appear? Insofar as a target date is a type of deadline, I think
the
> > idea is to have only items with target dates of today or before,
but
> > not undated targets -- an item with no due date is not really
due,
> > and is never overdue. The idea, methinks, is to have a way to
> > capture time-sensitive items.
>
> Agreed; I should've put that in.
>
> > "Radar" looks perfect from here.
>
> Are we being redundant here? Would these be necessary if the other
> filters didn't show undated items?
>
Oh, I forgot to mention that "Radar" should include past due items as
well. While "radar" is a look ahead, for most people this would
include doing all the things that were supposed to be finished by
now.... Stuff you are already getting hollered at for....
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| 2813 |
From: PocketGoddess <jen@p...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: new filter proposal
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Both of those filters, Due and Radar. would be very helpful.
Jen
---------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Due: Target less than or equal to today and unfinished
Radar: Target today or within 6 days of today, or no target, and
unfinished.
Those are useful?
jeff
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| 2814 |
From: hisimage8@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Project management question...
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>
> I was half asleep. Thats implicit :) (when "Show Next Step
> Only" is on, you only see unchecked items, and only the first of
any given
> series)
>
> jeff
>
> >
Thanks for working on this Jeff. This is the one and only reason
that I keep Life Balance on my prism. I'm a home maker so most of my
projects don't have tons of steps and I'm mostly able to get all
my "next steps" in order as I think about the project. If I need to
go back and add something in or change something, that's not hard and
it still leaves all the other thought-out steps intact. You couldn't
possibly put this in too quickly for me. :)
Also, just wanted you to know that I purchased Shadow Desktop even
though I haven't even looked at it yet nor do I expect to anytime
soon. However, I felt that it was a good way to support the
wonderful work that you're doing.
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| 2815 |
From: d_oren@n...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:49pm
Subject: Re: filters, filters and project management
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Jeff,
Let me first say that I find the usage of Shadow Plan addictive. ;-)
About the undated items issue - I think the way they're handled is list dependant and
should be added as a List Preference.
This way all participants of the poll you're planning to make will be satisfied. ;-)
Oren Danewitz.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 jreyes1958@y... wrote:
>
> > Without being able to suppress null items (i would suggest that you
> > CAN display null pareents as long as the children meet your criteria)
> > the filters are useless for finding things to do on a date -- the null
> > dates just get in the way.
> >
> > solve this and the project management aspects can be handled a lot easier.
>
> If everyone agrees, I'll change them. It is easily done.
>
> Anyone who want sto keep undated items showing in most of the
> filters?
>
> Need I set up a poll about this in yahoo? (they're fun ;)
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2816 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Project management question...
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 hisimage8@y... wrote:
> Thanks for working on this Jeff. This is the one and only reason
> that I keep Life Balance on my prism. I'm a home maker so most of my
> projects don't have tons of steps and I'm mostly able to get all
> my "next steps" in order as I think about the project. If I need to
> go back and add something in or change something, that's not hard and
> it still leaves all the other thought-out steps intact. You couldn't
> possibly put this in too quickly for me. :)
Its in alpha if you wish to join shadow-test and take the dive.
> Also, just wanted you to know that I purchased Shadow Desktop even
> though I haven't even looked at it yet nor do I expect to anytime
> soon. However, I felt that it was a good way to support the wonderful
> work that you're doing.
Thanks :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2817 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: filters, filters and project management
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 d_oren@n... wrote:
> This way all participants of the poll you're planning to make will be
> satisfied. ;-)
The poll is already open, and it looks like its going exactly the
worst way ;)
30 votes, 24 of which being in the main two options.
Always sort undated/nil-priority to bottom 14
Count undated/nil-priority as lowest value for sort 10
These are mutually exclusive. But, a global pref may be all that
is needed..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2818 |
From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: filters, filters and project management
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With all the talk today about filtering out the undated tasks, I find it
odd that so many of us would choose "Count undated/nil-priority as lowest
value for sort". Are we sure that everyone read and understood your
instructions? For those that voted this way, what is gained by having
undated sorted this way? I'm not disagreeing with you, just want to
understand the uses. Thanks.
Scott
Jeff Mitchell
<support@s... To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
eton.org> cc:
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: filters, filters and project
11/15/2001 management
04:04 PM
Please
respond to
shadow-discus
s
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 d_oren@n... wrote:
> This way all participants of the poll you're planning to make will be
> satisfied. ;-)
The poll is already open, and it looks like its going exactly
the
worst way ;)
30 votes, 24 of which being in the main two options.
Always sort undated/nil-priority to bottom 14
Count undated/nil-priority as lowest value for sort 10
These are mutually exclusive. But, a global pref may be all that
is needed..
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2819 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: filters, filters and project management
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 smasters@a... wrote:
> With all the talk today about filtering out the undated tasks, I find it
> odd that so many of us would choose "Count undated/nil-priority as lowest
> value for sort". Are we sure that everyone read and understood your
> instructions? For those that voted this way, what is gained by having
> undated sorted this way? I'm not disagreeing with you, just want to
> understand the uses. Thanks.
lowest value means that if sorting ascending, they go to the top
of screen (as mentioned earlier). Right now they are counted low, which
means they sort to the top. Sort descending and they shoudl go to the
bottom, but then you have "5" priority at the top (say).
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2820 |
From: stimm@r...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:53pm
Subject: Re: Do we need.. toggle check shortcut?
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> For keyboard users. /T is taken, as is /C. IS some shorcut
command
> key to toggle check needed, and if so.. what key?
I don't know how the shortcuts map to the keys, but I intuitively
expect the spacebar to check an item, but it seems to indent it
underneath the item above it. I would expect that to occur via a
tab (or shift-tab for the reverse).
- Sean T.
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| 2821 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:17am
Subject: Re: Re: Do we need.. toggle check shortcut?
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 stimm@r... wrote:
> I don't know how the shortcuts map to the keys, but I intuitively
> expect the spacebar to check an item, but it seems to indent it
> underneath the item above it. I would expect that to occur via a
> tab (or shift-tab for the reverse).
Its because of the shortcuts I support. ie: Right-swipe in
grafitti area is indent, and left-swipe is promote. But if you think about
it, thats space and backspace.
I forget if Enter does anything.. it could perhaps be used.
At any rate, is a toggle-check keyboard motion a needed one?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2822 |
From: stimm@r...
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:07am
Subject: Re: Do we need.. toggle check shortcut?
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--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 stimm@r... wrote:
>
> > I don't know how the shortcuts map to the keys, but I
intuitively
> > expect the spacebar to check an item, but it seems to indent it
> > underneath the item above it. I would expect that to occur via
a
> > tab (or shift-tab for the reverse).
>
> Its because of the shortcuts I support. ie: Right-swipe in
> grafitti area is indent, and left-swipe is promote. But if you
think about
> it, thats space and backspace.
>
> I forget if Enter does anything.. it could perhaps be used.
>
> At any rate, is a toggle-check keyboard motion a needed one?
>
I think so. Is there any way you could detect if the keyboard was
plugged in and re-map the shortcuts accordingly?
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| 2823 |
From: d_oren@n...
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 5:33am
Subject: Re: filters, filters and project management
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Well, I don't think it should be a global pref but a list pref.
I can think of 2 different contexts of lists where each should handle undated items
differently.
Oren Danewitz,
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 d_oren@n... wrote:
>
> > This way all participants of the poll you're planning to make will be
> > satisfied. ;-)
>
> The poll is already open, and it looks like its going exactly the
> worst way ;)
>
> 30 votes, 24 of which being in the main two options.
>
> Always sort undated/nil-priority to bottom 14
> Count undated/nil-priority as lowest value for sort 10
>
> These are mutually exclusive. But, a global pref may be all that
> is needed..
>
> jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2824 |
From: David Keltie <dave@z...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:41am
Subject: RE: Suggestion T of C view
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Been thinking about this too. I think I'd like to have Shadow open in my
TOC in collapsed view. Then I could just choose 'Clients', 'Projects',
'House', etc. and Zoom to see or jump to each's linked lists. Possible?
Cheers
Dave
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| 2825 |
From: David Keltie <dave@z...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:45am
Subject: RE: Suggestion T of C view
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>I've thought about it. ie: Tap on the item anywhere, and it just
> goes through the file link. But what if you've linked to all sorts of
> things like addresses and such.. nothign stopping you from doing
that,
> right? So it'd have to be a "if only one link, do it", but then it
becomes
> an inconsistent interface..
Could a TOC type be added to the custom view possibilities? i.e. a list
type where clinking on the item takes you straight to a linked file.....
Cheers
Dave
TOCs rule OK
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| 2826 |
From: David Keltie <dave@z...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:08am
Subject: RE: Re: new filter proposal
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I use ToDo+ pending Shadow being able to sort across lists. Adding
functionalities like 'due' and 'radar' to filters in Shadow don't help
me, unless the across lists feature is there.
Been thinking though that as ToDo+ does exist, why add bloat to Shadow?
If Shadow tips users can develop useful methodologies for specific
purposes - list-keeping, outlining, project planning, etc., then perhaps
we could see Shadow as part of a 'suite' of programmes (dare I say
'office'?). I like to use apps where developers are open in their
approach and co-operate with other developers to build functionality
across software in response the needs of real users (cf MS who want to
take over everything and build in all the functionality and bugs I'll
(n)ever need). Shadow's huge selling point is it's links - let's use
them, not try to replicate the functionality of other good programmes in
Shadow (then Jeff can concentrate on e.g. developing
linking/importing/exporting ability - in Desktop). Just a thought....
Also....Jeff's impact for me is not just the usefullness of the
programme but his whole approach to product development and response to
his customer base. I now resent Iambic - I like Action Names, with a few
tweaks I'd like it a lot more but they just aren't interested in what
their users think (I'm now watching to see how Standalone go with their
new Dateman product).
Cheers
Dave
PS Re 'support for 'international' characters. Why does 'international'
in software mean every country other than the US (or are they not
international too?!!)
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| 2827 |
From: Anthony Milonas <tonyelit@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 9:49am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
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OKay, I'm tired again, didnt' see you were already in
> shadow-discuss :)
>
> Everyone else.. what about this filter idea? Select items that
> have preceeding items checked. So if you had:
>
> X step 1 (checked)
> X step 2 (checked)
> _ step 3
> _ step 4
>
> Then you activate the filter, it'd show:
>
> X step 1
> X step 2
> _ step 3
>
> (step 4 is hidden since it has one previous incomplete item)
>
And to take this concept one step further you could offer a big part of LB
functionality if you could combine the proposed filter with the ability to
toggle the todo link on items,based on it (e.g to post to the ToDo database
only items visible to this filter).This way the toDo list which intergrates
all doable items from all different lists, whould have the same capabilty
for Next Action as Shadow Plan :)
This process could be manual. When this filter is applied it could ask if it
should togle todolink
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| 2828 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 1:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Do we need.. toggle check shortcut?
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 stimm@r... wrote:
> I think so. Is there any way you could detect if the keyboard was
> plugged in and re-map the shortcuts accordingly?
Well, you really mean if I can detect the true source of a
character; I'm not sure. In theory you can, but in practise the keyboard
drivers seem to be a bit.. unreliable in that respect. But I've not
experimented in awhile, so maybe the current crop of drivers are better.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2829 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:03pm
Subject: RE: Suggestion T of C view
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, David Keltie wrote:
> >I've thought about it. ie: Tap on the item anywhere, and it just
> > goes through the file link. But what if you've linked to all sorts of
> > things like addresses and such.. nothign stopping you from doing
> that,
> > right? So it'd have to be a "if only one link, do it", but then it
> becomes
> > an inconsistent interface..
>
> Could a TOC type be added to the custom view possibilities? i.e. a list
> type where clinking on the item takes you straight to a linked file.....
Still sounds like a bad idea. ie: Multiple link problem above.
But tap-to-select is Shadows way, too. If you have tap-to-load,
then it makes it very annoying if you wanted to check an item, but
mistakenly tapped a bit too far right and then loaded the file. Then you
have to hit close and tap again to do the check, or expand, or
whatever. It basicly makes an inconcsistent GUI, and makes it difficult to
use other shadow features on those items.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2830 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:13pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Anthony Milonas wrote:
> And to take this concept one step further you could offer a big part of LB
> functionality if you could combine the proposed filter with the ability to
> toggle the todo link on items,based on it (e.g to post to the ToDo database
> only items visible to this filter).This way the toDo list which intergrates
> all doable items from all different lists, whould have the same capabilty
> for Next Action as Shadow Plan :)
Turn on the ToDo link column, use the NExt Step Only filter, and
you're good to go :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2831 |
From: big_b901@h...
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:59pm
Subject: Desktop Question
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I am probably in the minority here, but my PC is the main thing that
I work on all day. The PDA gets used only when I am away from my
desk. I have been waiting for the Shadow desktop like a kid waiting
for Christmas. I downloaded it the first week it became available.
Installed it on my machine and was, well, disapointed. It seems to
be more of a XML editor than a desktop version of ShadowPlan. When I
look at the 0.1.5 alpha teaser at
http://www.codejedi.com/shadowdesktop/screenshots/desktop015.gif it
seems much closer to looking like a desktop version of ShadowPlan
then the version that shipped 5 months later. Will future versions
of the desktop look more like ShadowPlan or do other users prefer the
XML editor look?
Thanks
Brian
P.S. If I have overlooked something that changes the mode to show
check boxes and progress bars, etc please forgive me for wasting your
time. : )
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| 2832 |
From: howland.charles@e...
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:27pm
Subject: Using ShadowPlan with Ecco
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Following is a post I just made to another Yahoo group, re use of
ShadowPlan w/ Ecco. Some translation is in order: "TLI" stands for
Top Level Item, which is just that: the highest level item in a
hierarchical list. "SLI" stnads for Sub Level Item, which means all
subs to TLIs. The distinction arises in ECCO b/c there has always
been something of a debate between those who believe that Ecco is
best used keeping each nugget of info as a TLI, despite the fact that
you can drop SLIs as well as TLIs into ECCO "folders" (which may be
akin to the "tags" being discussed here). & yes, there are a fair
number of us ECCO users still out here, and we are fanatical. . .
--- In eccopro@y..., "Larry Hunter" <lmh@h...> wrote:
> I just downloaded and installed the ShadowPlan outliner for the
> Palm. On first glance, it does seem a pretty useful way to use
Ecco
> in an outlining way on the Palm.
>
> I'm curious: has anyone played with this and got any more
extensive
> commentary on whether it's worth the money? My first question is
> that it seems to go to the to-do list and allow its use as an
> outline -- but if you work on it on the palm, do these changes
> successfully make it back to Ecco?
>
> Thanks for any comments anyone has.
I've been happily using Shadow plan for several months, albeit
rudimentarily. I'm also an extreme ECCO user (I supose an oxymoron
on this group). I'm pretty sure the only way to make 'links' between
the two programs is via the fact that Shadowplan's equivalent to
Ecco 'TLIs' & 'SLIs' can link to Palm's todo's and dates, which in
turn will show up in ECCO. I imagine, though, that you can't mimic
Ecco's hierarchical structure in ShadowPlan, because of anomalies
that seem to crop up in the syncing when you try to bring over SLIs,
as such, into Palm. (I think I recall the warning in NetManage's
Ecco/Palm documentation about difficulties in trying to map SLIs to
Palm'recognizable records (dates, todos, memos.)
One note, to ensure at least that items created, and deleted, in
Shadow plan are likewise dealt with in Palm's dbase (& thus Ecco):
To ensure the first, in Shadowplan, go into list-specific preferences
(under the "list" menu), then to "Opt," and check on the "always link
new items to Todo." To ensure the second, in Shadowplan go into
program-wide preferences (under the "help" menu) and check on
the "delete item deletes links."
Hope this helps.
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| 2833 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 3:49pm
Subject: Re: Desktop Question
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 big_b901@h... wrote:
> I am probably in the minority here, but my PC is the main thing that
> I work on all day. The PDA gets used only when I am away from my
> desk. I have been waiting for the Shadow desktop like a kid waiting
> for Christmas. I downloaded it the first week it became available.
> Installed it on my machine and was, well, disapointed. It seems to
> be more of a XML editor than a desktop version of ShadowPlan. When I
> look at the 0.1.5 alpha teaser at
> http://www.codejedi.com/shadowdesktop/screenshots/desktop015.gif it
> seems much closer to looking like a desktop version of ShadowPlan
> then the version that shipped 5 months later. Will future versions
> of the desktop look more like ShadowPlan or do other users prefer the
> XML editor look?
As time progresses it will become more of a Shadow On Desktop. The
original alphas were getting neat, but were very complex and taking a long
time to get anywhere. So I took inventory and decided to go for something
useful and functioanl and that I could actually get out to people soon.
Then I'll work on making it pretty and functional over time. (Thats how I
prefer to work; deliver early and often, so you can guide how it
develops.)
Remember the rule; you could have shadow desktop as good as the
handheld version, and waited an extra year for it. That year of
development would cost, so I'd have to charge $50 for it to try and get
back some of my coin. That means sales would be low, so I'd be out of
business. I also don't want to charge that much.
So you get it now, and its young, and its cheap. Then I can build
on it and know that I've got a bit of coin coming in to help recover
costs. (It'll be in the hole forever, or at least a year :/)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2834 |
From: Ed Barlett <f_faste@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion T of C view
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What if this was take this idea just a little further -
A global preference -- "start-up list" (could be type TofC)
A global preference "time before startup" (in minutes)
A list preference [ auto-expand / auto collapse / last view ] (Pick list)
The start up list could be empty and would act just the way it does today
If any list is specified it would be displayed providing the last launch
exceeded the value in last launch time.
Example-
If last launch time was set to 3 and you switch out of shadow to check
something then switched back in less than 3 min. You would are back where
you left thing. (Same as current)
However, if you leave shadow longer than 3 min and came back, the list
specified in the start up preference.
At the list level auto-expand would "Expand all" every time you pull up the
list, auto-collapse would "Collapse All" every time the list was pulled up
and "Last View" would work as it does today.
With these preferences (and a list or item type of TofC) you could configure
what you are asking for and much more! I would use "Auto Collapse" on most
of my lists -- (may need to key off the time interval also)
-----Original Message-----
From: David Keltie <dave@z...>
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com <shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Suggestion T of C view
>Been thinking about this too. I think I'd like to have Shadow open in my
>TOC in collapsed view. Then I could just choose 'Clients', 'Projects',
>'House', etc. and Zoom to see or jump to each's linked lists. Possible?
>
>Cheers
>
>
>Dave
>
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| 2835 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:36pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion T of C view
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Ed Barlett wrote:
> A global preference -- "start-up list" (could be type TofC)
> A global preference "time before startup" (in minutes)
Good idea. Or maybe I could just assume "5 minutes", or maybe just
always use TOC, except for goto/returns. But maybe 5 minutes is best.
> A list preference [ auto-expand / auto collapse / last view ] (Pick list)
I can't think of too many cases you would want to auto-expand on
close, but I can see auto-collapse. So maybe just a checkbox in the Opts
screen to "auto collapse list on close" (Collapse All)
I have thought about just assuming "TOC" as a filename, but that
might confuse people (they'd never find the option?), or maybe someone
wants to have several TOC's and swap between their settings every once in
awhile, without doing renames. (ie: I dislike changing the size of list
prefs, since it can screw up a number of things, and some other peopels
jobs read the prefs. So extending the pref space is sometimes a pain. So
storing filenames in prefs can be goofy).
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2836 |
From: Jan Erik Moström <lists@m...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:27pm
Subject: Re: Suggestion T of C view
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On 2001-11-16 at 14:36, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > A global preference -- "start-up list" (could be type TofC)
> > A global preference "time before startup" (in minutes)
>
> Good idea. Or maybe I could just assume "5 minutes", or maybe just
> always use TOC, except for goto/returns. But maybe 5 minutes is best.
Yes, yes, please
jem
--
Jan Erik Moström mailto:jem@m...
Free Elektron http://www.mostrom.pp.se/folk/jem/
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| 2837 |
From: Ed Barlett <f_faste@y...>
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:30pm
Subject: Cut / Copy Children
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Perhaps this question should be over on the [shadow-tips] because I am
looking for tips, or is that for posting tips??
I'll ask the questions first an then give the background so perhaps there is
a better (existing) way to do what I want.
Any interest in adding -
- Import by category (Most wanted)
- Delete behind function in the import function (would be nice)
- Category / done filter in the "new from..." dialog (would be helpfull)
Is there any way to copy only the children of an item?
I have been copying the ITEM A with children, pasting as child to ITEM B the
demoting each child under ITEM A then deleting the ITEM A. Is there faster
way to copy the children to an item as children? With 30 children, copy+
takes longer than the demoting method.
=====
I've been spending some time moving ToDo's out of my ToDo database and
organizing them into shadow lists. I am still looking at how exactly I will
exploit the power of Shadow to enhance my implementation of a modified
Franklin / Covey system using DateBK4. My biggest problem with what I do
today is the shear number of tasks that I must track. 4 projects at Church,
8 - 10 projects at work, 6-8 projects at home, shopping lists for
groceries, hardware, home improvement, etc. which has been crying for
hierarchical organization. THANK YOU SHADOW ! ! !
The Vision:
I would work most of the day in DateBK4 (as I currently do) giving out
assignments, making commitments, logging calls, completing tasks, and
negotiating schedules. I won't switch out of DateBK4, I will continue
entering ToDos directly into the ToDo database.
Once a day I want to sit down for "planning and solitude" where I will start
off collecting new ToDos from the ToDo database, and move them to the proper
spot in a shadow list. Review my lists, (other planning stuff here) and
place in my ToDo database only those tasks I would like to accomplish that
day.
My problems:
#1 ) Importing from the ToDo brings in everything - including completed and
pending / forwarded tasks, and those trivial repeating tasks. It would be
perfect if could import only items from category "Unfiled" and all imported
tasks would be removed from the ToDo database. It is impractical to sort
through this list (5 shadow lists) every day.
I moved all completed ToDos to the archive database and this helped, but I
really don't want to do this every day, and would prefer to have at least a
month's worth of completed ToDo's in the database at all times.
#2) Looking at this from the other direction, get into shadow and use the
'New From...' function is just as hard if not worse. I still get a list of
all ToDos completed or not, and I don't know which ones for sure are in the
"Unfiled" category. Even with a filter just showing only "Unfiled" it would
be a manual, one-at-a-time procedure to import each item, delete it from the
ToDo database.
If all else fails -- there's always cut and paste
I'm sure I'll find wonderfull ways of using Shadow - it's a well desgned
feature-rich application...
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| 2838 |
From: Eugene Bogorad <chuck_bogorad@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 0:02am
Subject: The so-called ‘international characters problem’
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I'm a (happy) Bonsai user, read about ShadowPlain in
(http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/). I downloaded, installed it and
tried to create a test outline on the palm. Worked ok, and I
hotsync'ed it to my PC. The desktop app failed to load it saying:
`Could not open file! Perhaps not yet supported international
characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 4)'
Ok, I live in Russia and use Cyrillic {charset="windows-1251"}
characters in ALL OTHER palm programs without ANY problems. So, they don't know about it, who cares? Why would you want to get into `international charactes' in the first place? Why not treat those as plain 8-bit data? Everybody else does it and it works fine. Instead, you restrict groups of chars and cause genuine pain to potential users.
The only viable alternative is using UTF-8, with conversions and bla-bla-bla, which is a real pain, so why bother? This is a really unexpected problem!
{WinXp, Palm-Vx OSv4.0, Shadow Desktop v1.0.0, Shadow v2.0.0}
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| 2839 |
From: ltan10@y...
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:16am
Subject: converting bonsai files to shadow
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| |
Is there an easier way than cut-and-paste to convert Bonsai files to
Shadow format? Export to memopad and subsequent import to Shadow
loses the attached notes. The levels and spacing have to be re-done
as well.
Any help would be appreciated.
Larry
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| 2840 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:34am
Subject: Re: Cut / Copy Children
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Ed Barlett wrote:
> Perhaps this question should be over on the [shadow-tips] because I am
> looking for tips, or is that for posting tips??
For posting good solid ideas. Questions should remain here.
> - Import by category (Most wanted)
On my list.
> - Delete behind function in the import function (would be nice)
Not likely; automatic deletion is always asking for trouble
("oops, I didn't mean to import aht one!").
> - Category / done filter in the "new from..." dialog (would be helpfull)
Yep, hopefully not too far away.
> Is there any way to copy only the children of an item?
IS there somethign in the Edit menu? I don't think I ever added
it. Not enough room in the menu :) Using the multi-clip mode should be
pretty easy unless you have a tonne of children.
> Franklin / Covey system using DateBK4. My biggest problem with what I do
> today is the shear number of tasks that I must track. 4 projects at Church,
> 8 - 10 projects at work, 6-8 projects at home, shopping lists for
> groceries, hardware, home improvement, etc. which has been crying for
> hierarchical organization. THANK YOU SHADOW ! ! !
:) If you have any slick tricks that you've discovered, post them
to shadow-tips :)
> I would work most of the day in DateBK4 (as I currently do) giving out
> assignments, making commitments, logging calls, completing tasks, and
> negotiating schedules. I won't switch out of DateBK4, I will continue
> entering ToDos directly into the ToDo database.
I do all this in Shadow, farming a few items out to my datebook
(Action Names) or ToDo as needed :)
> Once a day I want to sit down for "planning and solitude" where I will
> start off collecting new ToDos from the ToDo database, and move them
> to the proper spot in a shadow list. Review my lists, (other planning
> stuff here) and place in my ToDo database only those tasks I would
> like to accomplish that day.
I'll definitely be making it easier to import multiple items in
one shot.
> #1 ) Importing from the ToDo brings in everything - including completed and
> pending / forwarded tasks, and those trivial repeating tasks. It would be
> perfect if could import only items from category "Unfiled" and all imported
> tasks would be removed from the ToDo database. It is impractical to sort
> through this list (5 shadow lists) every day.
Hmm, I see what you mean. I never expected someoen to do most of
their work in DB/TD and then import new items into Shadow on a daily basis
in that volume.
Importing incomplete items could help, but maybe not. By category
will, so I suppose you could put all your new items into a category in
those apps, but then you'd be disorganized in those apps. *shrug*. Ideas?
Import and remove.. could do, not too hard.. but makes me itch.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2841 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:40am
Subject: Re: The so-called ‘international characters problem’
|
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Eugene Bogorad wrote:
> Ok, I live in Russia and use Cyrillic {charset="windows-1251"}
> characters in ALL OTHER palm programs without ANY problems. So, they
All others with a desktop? Cross platform? Open standards? Web
publishing? How many have you tried? ;) (the handheld has never had an
international problem. Only the desktop, because its 2 weeks old).
> don't know about it, who cares? Why would you want to get into
> `international charactes' in the first place? Why not treat those as
> plain 8-bit data? Everybody else does it and it works fine. Instead,
> you restrict groups of chars and cause genuine pain to potential
> users.
You cannot treat them as 8 bit characters, especially when XML,
Windows, Mac, and Unix are all in the mix. Were I just writing for
Windows, or Mac, or Unix, it would be easy. But writing for multiple
operating systems is very difficult to support wide characters.
Furthermore, XML and Unicode make it really miserable (ie: Large time
investment up front). Also, the code may eventually run on PocketPC and
RIM's, so I'm being very carefull.
You won't find any other app that is both cross platform and
supporting open standards ;)
> The only viable alternative is using UTF-8, with conversions and
> bla-bla-bla, which is a real pain, so why bother? This is a really
> unexpected problem!
Yeah, it got bigger than I thought, too. Blame that on standards
committes making me translate a half dozen times :(
If I had used a custom format instead of XML, I could've been done
a lot more in half the time, but instead I'm being a good and open
developer so that others can write extensions and empowering Shadow users
to publish their data in as many wasys as they can think of.
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2842 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:41am
Subject: Re: converting bonsai files to shadow
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 ltan10@y... wrote:
> Is there an easier way than cut-and-paste to convert Bonsai files to
> Shadow format? Export to memopad and subsequent import to Shadow
> loses the attached notes. The levels and spacing have to be re-done
> as well.
Can you send me a Bonsai memo export, so I can see how it
looks? Perhaps a quick tweek in the importer can make your life easier. Or
perhaps you can use a quick macro in a word pro to translate the memos to
Shadow friendly?
If you can get it to the desktop, then a wordpro macro can also
make it easy to uplaod via the desktop. (And I'm working on a desktop
reformatting tool to make formatting easier.. though there are about 100
different formats to support on the desktop, so I may be awhile :P)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2843 |
From: ltan10@y...
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:37am
Subject: Re: converting bonsai files to shadow
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This is a sample test file that I made in Bonsai and exported to
memopad, preserving the numbers only
1. ABC
1. DEF
1. Hij
2. KLM
1. NOP
2. 123
3. QRS
1. TUV
456
4. WXYZ
2. A1B2
3. CDE
1. 123
4. XYZ
This is the same file preserving, numbers, completion status,
category,etc.
Test file
Unfiled (1) 1. ABC
Personal (1) 1. DEF
Unfiled (3) 1. Hij
Unfiled (1) 2. KLM
Business (4) 1. NOP
Personal (1) 2. 123
Unfiled (5) 3. QRS
Unfiled (1) 1. TUV
Unfiled (1) 456
Unfiled (1) 4. WXYZ
Unfiled (1) 2. A1B2
Unfiled (1) [X] 3. CDE
Unfiled (1) 1. 123
Unfiled (2) [ 0%] 4. XYZ
The notes associated with this file are lost, either way.
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
>
> Can you send me a Bonsai memo export, so I can see how it
> looks? Perhaps a quick tweek in the importer can make your life
easier. Or
> perhaps you can use a quick macro in a word pro to translate the
memos to
> Shadow friendly?
>
> If you can get it to the desktop, then a wordpro macro can
also
> make it easy to uplaod via the desktop. (And I'm working on a
desktop
> reformatting tool to make formatting easier.. though there are
about 100
> different formats to support on the desktop, so I may be awhile :P)
>
> jeff
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| 2844 |
From: Brenda <brenda@b...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 3:12am
Subject: Re: converting bonsai files to shadow
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At 06:41 PM 11/16/2001, you wrote:
>Can you send me a Bonsai memo export, so I can see how it
>looks?
Just so you guys know... Bonsai can do many types of exports.. not just the
memopad. You can even make your own customized export.
Brenda
Bonsai user who is looking at Shadow now..
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| 2845 |
From: David & Alicia Hart <davidchart@e...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 4:14am
Subject: RE: Cut / Copy Children
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I am currently evaluating SP (might be buying soon, if...). Some comments
on this thread:
> Any interest in adding -
>
> - Import by category (Most wanted)
> - Delete behind function in the import function (would be nice)
> - Category / done filter in the "new from..." dialog (would be
> helpfull)
1st & 3rd items: ME TOO!!!! - If this will be a part of SP soon, I'm buying!
> I've been spending some time moving ToDo's out of my ToDo database and
> organizing them into shadow lists. I am still looking at how
> exactly I will
> exploit the power of Shadow to enhance my implementation of a modified
> Franklin / Covey system using DateBK4. My biggest problem with what I do
> today is the shear number of tasks that I must track. 4 projects
> at Church,
> 8 - 10 projects at work, 6-8 projects at home, shopping lists for
> groceries, hardware, home improvement, etc. which has been crying for
> hierarchical organization. THANK YOU SHADOW ! ! !
This is exactly how I want to use SP also. LB was too automatic for me, but
I NEED the hierarchy. I too have been experimenting with integrating SP
with DB4 somehow.
Any tips from anyone on approximating the Franklin Covey system with SP/DB4
would be GREATLY appreciated.
I like the new buttons in the list views on v2.0! (or did I miss them on
1.5.14...)
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| 2846 |
From: David & Alicia Hart <davidchart@e...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 4:17am
Subject: RE: Cut / Copy Children
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No signature in previous post...
FYI, I'm David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David & Alicia Hart [mailto:davidchart@e...]
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:15 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Cut / Copy Children
>
>
> I am currently evaluating SP (might be buying soon, if...). Some comments
> on this thread:
>
> > Any interest in adding -
> >
> > - Import by category (Most wanted)
> > - Delete behind function in the import function (would be nice)
> > - Category / done filter in the "new from..." dialog (would be
> > helpfull)
>
> 1st & 3rd items: ME TOO!!!! - If this will be a part of SP soon,
> I'm buying!
>
>
> > I've been spending some time moving ToDo's out of my ToDo database and
> > organizing them into shadow lists. I am still looking at how
> > exactly I will
> > exploit the power of Shadow to enhance my implementation of a modified
> > Franklin / Covey system using DateBK4. My biggest problem with
> what I do
> > today is the shear number of tasks that I must track. 4 projects
> > at Church,
> > 8 - 10 projects at work, 6-8 projects at home, shopping lists for
> > groceries, hardware, home improvement, etc. which has been crying for
> > hierarchical organization. THANK YOU SHADOW ! ! !
>
> This is exactly how I want to use SP also. LB was too automatic
> for me, but
> I NEED the hierarchy. I too have been experimenting with integrating SP
> with DB4 somehow.
>
> Any tips from anyone on approximating the Franklin Covey system
> with SP/DB4
> would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
>
> I like the new buttons in the list views on v2.0! (or did I miss them on
> 1.5.14...)
>
>
>
>
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> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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| 2847 |
From: mandora@a...
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 5:11am
Subject: Thanks!
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Jeff, thanks for your detailed response to my lengthly suggestions
regarding the desktop. Seems most of my dreams will come true! Please
reconsider right click capability, tho. Its standard in every
business application I use and saves a lot of work. Agreed tho that
even without it, Shadow is an excellent program for me, - Morris
Manning
P.S. - I am an executive who has been using a PDA since 1992 - no
paper organizer of any kind. I have used 3 Sharps and 4 Palms.
Currently, use a Palm M505. I use a number of hacks to add
functionality and at one time or another have tried at least 150
programs. - Functionality is what I look for and you have delivered.
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| 2848 |
From: Mike Barnhouse <barnhse@u...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:13am
Subject: Mike Barnhouse/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office until Nov 25, 2001.
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I will be out of the office starting November 16, 2001 and will not return
until November 25, 2001.
I will respond to your message when I return.
My backup is Muhammad Malik, T/L 444-8772.
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| 2849 |
From: The McGuire Family <mcguirej@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 0:45pm
Subject: Re: Cut/Copy Children
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Hi Ed,
Your wrote:
>The Vision:
>I would work most of the day in DateBK4 (as I currently do) giving out
>assignments, making commitments, logging calls, completing tasks, and
>negotiating schedules. I won't switch out of DateBK4, I will continue
>entering ToDos directly into the ToDo database.
>Once a day I want to sit down for "planning and solitude" where I will start
>off collecting new ToDos from the ToDo database, and move them to the proper
>spot in a shadow list. Review my lists, (other planning stuff here) and
>place in my ToDo database only those tasks I would like to accomplish that
>day.
I do something very much like this myself.
>#1 ) Importing from the ToDo brings in everything - including completed and
>pending / forwarded tasks, and those trivial repeating tasks. It would be
>perfect if could import only items from category "Unfiled" and all imported
>tasks would be removed from the ToDo database. It is impractical to sort
>through this list (5 shadow lists) every day.
I too, found this a torture. I ended up importing small chunks at a time using
'New From', and it took me forever to get things organized.
>#2) Looking at this from the other direction, get into shadow and use the
>'New From...' function is just as hard if not worse. I still get a list of
>all ToDos completed or not, and I don't know which ones for sure are in the
>"Unfiled" category. Even with a filter just showing only "Unfiled" it would
>be a manual, one-at-a-time procedure to import each item, delete it from the
>ToDo database.
Actually, this is my current solution - sort of. Now I create new "ToDos" only
in DateBk4, but create them as Floating events. I never create ToDos. This way
I can use 'New From' to import my Floats, and then create ToDos only from Shadow.
I NEVER create a ToDo in the ToDo application itself.
Not a perfect solution. Maybe you can give it a try. I know it would work better for
me if I did the "once a day review and import" step more regularly!
Best regards,
Jim
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| 2850 |
From: opitz@s...
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Cut / Copy Children
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The latest version of Datebk4 (4.1, currently in early beta) supports
some block operations, including Delete, in the List View. If Shadow
allowed Ed to selectively import only Unfiled to-do's, he could then
go to a saved view in DB4 that showed only Unfiled to-do's and delete
them all with a single command. This may make Ed happy without making
Jeff itch.
Bob
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Ed Barlett wrote:
>
> > - Category / done filter in the "new from..." dialog (would be
helpfull)
>
- and -
>
> > I would work most of the day in DateBK4 (as I currently do) giving
out
> > assignments, making commitments, logging calls, completing tasks,
and
> > negotiating schedules. I won't switch out of DateBK4, I will
continue
> > entering ToDos directly into the ToDo database.
>
> I do all this in Shadow, farming a few items out to my
datebook
> (Action Names) or ToDo as needed :)
>
> > Once a day I want to sit down for "planning and solitude" where I
will
> > start off collecting new ToDos from the ToDo database, and move
them
> > to the proper spot in a shadow list. Review my lists, (other
planning
> > stuff here) and place in my ToDo database only those tasks I would
> > like to accomplish that day.
>
> I'll definitely be making it easier to import multiple items
in
> one shot.
>
> > #1 ) Importing from the ToDo brings in everything - including
completed and
> > pending / forwarded tasks, and those trivial repeating tasks. It
would be
> > perfect if could import only items from category "Unfiled" and all
imported
> > tasks would be removed from the ToDo database. It is impractical
to sort
> > through this list (5 shadow lists) every day.
>
> Hmm, I see what you mean. I never expected someoen to do most
of
> their work in DB/TD and then import new items into Shadow on a daily
basis
> in that volume.
>
> Importing incomplete items could help, but maybe not. By
category
> will, so I suppose you could put all your new items into a category
in
> those apps, but then you'd be disorganized in those apps. *shrug*.
Ideas?
>
> Import and remove.. could do, not too hard.. but makes me
itch.
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| 2851 |
From: Ed Barlett <f_faste@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:59am
Subject: Re: Re: Cut / Copy Children
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Jeff, David, Jim and Bob,
Thanks for your comments! I'm still working through this process, and will
find out this week how this is going to work in real time. I've had the
luxury of a long weekend to "play" with the system and get reorganized
Deleting imported items -
Jeff, I can understand your reluctance to add this powerful option. "Once
you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny; consume
you it will." JediMaster Yoda You would have to add quite a "Warning!
Warning! ..... are you sure?" dialog after The OK and before the import.
Bob, You're right in both points!
1) All imported ToDos will be in the "Unfiled" category.
2) I could use a list view and the "Delete All" function.
During the time the "Delete Imported ToDo" option is not available (perhaps
forever) I would create a saved view -- List view -- single category
"Unfiled" and use the "Delete all items..." menu function.
I will also look at using link manager item-by-item and use the "Delete the
Link Entirely" function. I could also see where this might be an advantage
for when there are items that are trivial and don't need to go into a list,
I could take that opportunity to just change category.
Jim, in response to >#1 ) Importing from the ToDo brings in everything - you
said "I too, found this a torture. I ended up importing small chunks at a
time using 'New From', and it took me forever to get things organized."
Once you got past the initial import / organization phase, (a good 6+ hours
for me.), did things get easier?
Your other comments about using floats --
This would be a cool idea if it weren't for the fact that, as appointments
each day, I have several repeating check-off lists 10-15 items each,
reminders (8-10) , schedule for me, my wife, and 4 active teens, phone /
visit logs 10+. Without some sort of filter on the "New From..." list
function, I would have to page through upward of 40 appointments/day --
that's about 300 items to page through 6 at a time to find the Item I need.
(You should see the pause while shadow builds the list!)
Filter options would be quite limited in this dialog. The concept of
floats, completed, struck, categories on the native datebook application do
not exist and I would no expect Jeff to code filters to any specific 3rd
party application -- no matter how great it is. <BG>
David, Any tips from anyone on approximating the Franklin Covey system with
SP/DB4
would be GREATLY appreciated. --
Jeff, :) If you have any slick tricks that you've discovered, post them
to shadow-tips :)
I'll write up my implementation after a couple weeks of working with it
SP/DateBK4 integration! You can find a post re:F/C on DateBK4 in the
pimlicodatebk yahoo list archives - you should be able to find it if search
for DPTL. (Could use some clarifying, I'm sure)
Moving imported items into lists--
Any tips on how to quickly sort out the imported list? I took the T of C
suggestions as I was building my lists, every one has a link to the T of C
list as the first item. Every list is in the T of C list with a link to the
list. I will probably start the sorting-out process by adding a T of C link
and leave a Import link in the T of C.
Jeff, per other discussions on T of C, how about a "T" button to the left of
the "C" button that will take you to the T of C?
Cut / Copy Children -
Jeff, in response to > Is there any way to copy only the children of an
item? you wrote "IS there something in the Edit menu? I don't think I ever
added it. Not enough room in the menu :)
How about in the "C" button? There are several special functions there that
are not on the menus. This IMHO would be a great place to add "Copy
Children Only" and "Cut Children Only" functions. I use the heck out of the
"C" button -- great idea!
Again thanks to all that replied...
...ed
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| 2852 |
From: easy-123@e...
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:17am
Subject: Memory Expansion Cards---Does anyone know of a way...
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To run Shadow Plan from a memory card and
1) be able to have the desktop password not be deleted when the
handheld is hotsync, and
2) be able to have the data on the handheld and desktop
synchronized?
I realize that this is going to most require a secondary program such
as "PowerRun", "myWorkbench", "piDirect VFS", etc. As I can't seem to
figure out which of these is suppose to be able to these tasks (if
any can), I am hoping for some insight.
Thanks for any assistance in advance
Stan
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| 2853 |
From: e@ematthews.net
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:56am
Subject: Re: Memory Expansion Cards---Does anyone know of a way...
|
| |
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., easy-123@e... wrote:
> To run Shadow Plan from a memory card and
> 1) be able to have the desktop password not be deleted when the
> handheld is hotsync, and
> 2) be able to have the data on the handheld and desktop
> synchronized?
>
> I realize that this is going to most require a secondary program
such
> as "PowerRun", "myWorkbench", "piDirect VFS", etc. As I can't seem
to
> figure out which of these is suppose to be able to these tasks (if
> any can), I am hoping for some insight.
>
> Thanks for any assistance in advance
>
> Stan
There is a program in the MEMPLUG egroup that allows normal syncing
from a expansion
card.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/memplug/files/StubMaker.zip
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| 2854 |
From: Leigh <leigh@x...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:53am
Subject: Re: Memory Expansion Cards---Does anyone know of a way...
|
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Stan,
I run Shadow on the MS of a Sony Clie 610C using PiDirectVFS. All data is
on the handheld and I've had no problem with it syncing to the
desktop. Last night I added a lot of text to some lesson plan notes,
hotsynced, and I just checked and everything's there on the desktop. It
really works smoothly. The only problem I've ever had with PiDirect is
that I have to set it "Disable and Rescan" if I'm using a file manager
(such as Filez) or I'll get a Fatal Alert.
I run most apps and unchanging data files from MS and keep edited data
files on the handheld.
Leigh
At 04:17 AM 11/18/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>To run Shadow Plan from a memory card and
> 1) be able to have the desktop password not be deleted when the
>handheld is hotsync, and
> 2) be able to have the data on the handheld and desktop
>synchronized?
>
>I realize that this is going to most require a secondary program such
>as "PowerRun", "myWorkbench", "piDirect VFS", etc. As I can't seem to
>figure out which of these is suppose to be able to these tasks (if
>any can), I am hoping for some insight.
>
>Thanks for any assistance in advance
>
>Stan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| 2855 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: converting bonsai files to shadow
|
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 ltan10@y... wrote:
> This is a sample test file that I made in Bonsai and exported to
> memopad, preserving the numbers only
> 1. ABC
> 1. DEF
> 1. Hij
> 2. KLM
> 1. NOP
> 2. 123
> 3. QRS
> 1. TUV
> 456
> 4. WXYZ
> 2. A1B2
> 3. CDE
> 1. 123
> 4. XYZ
I would expect this to import fine; Shadow understands leading
tabs or spaces as indent/level hints. The numbers would become part of the
text, however, so you may wish to not include numbers and instead then
activate Shadow auto-numbering.
> This is the same file preserving, numbers, completion status,
> category,etc.
>
> Test file
>
> Unfiled (1) 1. ABC
> Personal (1) 1. DEF
> Unfiled (3) 1. Hij
Interesting layout; okay, that'd become one level flat list in
Shadow and thus would be a lot of work to get back to its proper
structure. A bit rough to import.. I'd have to build a specific importer
for that.
If you know how to use a text editor or word processor well, you
could do a quick run to put the text into Shadow XML very easily. (Also
depending on how the notes are attached, as you didn't illustrate that).
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2856 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:25pm
Subject: RE: Cut / Copy Children
|
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, David & Alicia Hart wrote:
> I am currently evaluating SP (might be buying soon, if...). Some comments
> on this thread:
>
> > Any interest in adding -
> >
> > - Import by category (Most wanted)
> > - Delete behind function in the import function (would be nice)
> > - Category / done filter in the "new from..." dialog (would be
> > helpfull)
>
> 1st & 3rd items: ME TOO!!!! - If this will be a part of SP soon, I'm buying!
If a couple people keep bugging me, it'll get done. I'm so busy
trying to keep up now that its easy to forget these sorts of
"cosmetics". Theres lots of broad-strokes I want to do, but somethign like
this could be added "quickly".
> This is exactly how I want to use SP also. LB was too automatic for me, but
> I NEED the hierarchy. I too have been experimenting with integrating SP
> with DB4 somehow.
There is a lot of experience in using Shadow and ToDo/Datebook
programs here. Ask around or go through the list archives. Theres a
plethora of built-in user,s DB4 users, and Action Namers.
> I like the new buttons in the list views on v2.0! (or did I miss them on
> 1.5.14...)
If you mean the graphical button bar, its new in 2.0 :)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2857 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:08pm
Subject: Follow up to Ed's rapid fire :P
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Okay, my brane is full ;)
So, is a "Cut all children" and "Copy all children" operation
needed?
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2858 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Memory Expansion Cards---Does anyone know of a way...
|
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 easy-123@e... wrote:
> To run Shadow Plan from a memory card and
> 1) be able to have the desktop password not be deleted when the
> handheld is hotsync, and
Shadow shoudl be runnable from any memory card; I have always kept
it on a memory card in my visor. Other peopel can speak up for CF and
memory sticks and whatnot, but I think the desktop conduit can speak to
them anywhere as long as they are normally launchable. (ie: If some
special trickery is required to launch them, then the conduit will not be
able to function correctly)
> 2) be able to have the data on the handheld and desktop
> synchronized?
See (1). I sync all day long with Shadow on card 1 (built in
memory is card 0).
> I realize that this is going to most require a secondary program such
> as "PowerRun", "myWorkbench", "piDirect VFS", etc. As I can't seem to
> figure out which of these is suppose to be able to these tasks (if
> any can), I am hoping for some insight.
If you need a special program launcher thingy to access the card,
the conduit will not work. (The conduit needs to talk to Shadow on the
handheld, during the sync. The conduit cannot invoke other fancy
applications)
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2859 |
From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2001 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: Memory Expansion Cards---Does anyone know of a way...
|
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 e@e... wrote:
> There is a program in the MEMPLUG egroup that allows normal syncing
> from a expansion
> card.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/memplug/files/StubMaker.zip
Let me know how it goes!
jeff
--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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| 2860 |
From: Kenneth S. Rhee <polymath@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2001 11:54am
Subject: Re[2]: Memory Expansion Cards---Does anyone know of a way...
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Hello Jeff,
Sunday, November 18, 2001, 4:11:19 PM, you wrote:
JM> If you need a special program launcher thingy to access the card,
JM> the conduit will not work. (The conduit needs to talk to Shadow on the
JM> handheld, during the sync. The conduit cannot invoke other fancy
JM> applications)
I've been running Shadow and sync with des | |
