From: kate_mahoney@a...
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 8:10pm
Subject: TealNote/Desktop clash? Was: BugMe/picture linking

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Mason Curry <mcurry@h...> wrote:
> Try TealNote.  You can put a picture directly into any app. 
> including shadow.  I just tried it and it works.
> 
> It also saves Jeff from having to do anything.

Well, um, actually, I just discovered that the list that I put a teal 
note in won't open on the desktop.  When I try I get:

Error!
Could not open file!  Perhaps found not yet supported international 
characters? (Maybe not well-formed at line 24)

It also doesn't show teal notes right when you expand the memo in the 
main view.  So it has some drawbacks...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 8:30pm
Subject: Re: How to demote a bunch of items?

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Randy Fay wrote:

> One thing I often do is decide I need deeper nesting of my outline.
> Suddenly I have to demote a bunch of items below a new one.
> 
> How can I do this in one shot instead of moving each one individually? 
> There seems to be no multiple-select facility on the PalmOS...

	The OS doesn't directly support multiple select, so each program
implements it itself if so desired. I may build a multi select
option.. hard to say. For now you can just cursor aroudn and use the arrow
keys or buttons to push items around and such. If I'm doing a pile, I
usually just cut/cut/cut/move.. (using clip in multiclip mode)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001 8:53pm
Subject: Re: TealNote/Desktop clash? Was: BugMe/picture linking

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 kate_mahoney@a... wrote:

> Well, um, actually, I just discovered that the list that I put a teal 
> note in won't open on the desktop.  When I try I get:

	Send mthe XML file, or the part that has the tealnote. I'm curious
what it looks like. If its a bunch of random garbage, that could be a
problem :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: peter.grierson@s...
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 0:28am
Subject: Re: Link Problems with LinkAdd--Slow to Freezing

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	The find speed is good for addresses?
> 
> 		jeff

The short answer is yes.  The long answer is that the problem when 
away sometime during the day as I used my PIII.  The items of note 
during the day were: one fatal exception upon entering a shortcut 
Graffiti stroke, turning all hacks but X-master and MagicText 
temporarily (to use MultiClip to capture a help screen) and noticing 
a conflict between to applications using the same activation stoke. 
These were apparently not the problem as the symptoms do not change 
if they deactivated. (Unless that left the internal workings tied up 
in knots)

I could get to the second app by leaving the first active and 
invoking the same stroke again.  If the first app was closed, it 
would activate as soon as the shortcut stroke was entered.

For now I have left well enough alone.  I will keep an eye on things 
and backup often in the mean time.

Peter R.
"All Accounting is creative."

From: michael.walter@r...
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 0:30am
Subject: Re: cross-file filtering

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 Tarasofsky@t... wrote:
> 
> > I am not a regular reader of the messages on this list, so 
apologies
> > in advance if this has ever come up before.  I am very happy with 
the
> > program, and am trying to use it more and more to replace my ToDo
> > list.  However, what would make me even more happy would be if 
there
> > was a way to do a filter on all shadow files at once, so that e.g. 
I
> 
> 	There is not yet a way to do a multi-file query. I may add
> something, and/or may add somethign to the desktop application. It 
comes
> up once in awhile and we work out various ideas. I may make a side 
tool
> that rips through Shadow files and generates a new Shadow file with 
items
> matching your query request. I may do this after I build item to 
item
> linking, so that the tool could generate a new list with links back 
to the
> original item. This woudl be very powerful for auto todo-list 
generation.
> 
> > could see all the items in a single list that are due this week.  
> 
> 	Many people use Shadow for all their data entry and recording. 
But
> as events become very timely (due in a few days), they can link them 
to
> the todo list or datebook (via the Link Manager in Shadow), and then 
use
> the ToDo list as a flat cross-list view. ITs pretty handy until such 
time
> as Shadow can handle the multi-file queries.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


Jeff, 

I have this same problem as I have about 65 different files right now. 
I solve the filtering problem by having links to ToDo Plus (most to a 
single category) and use the filtering tools of ToDo Plus which work 
very well.  IMHO you do not want to build added complexity if there 
asre other solutions and linking to TODo works very well.  The added 
bonus is that by selectively linking, you can filter out those items 
in SP that you do not want to create as a to do.  Saves time in my 
view than trying to set the filters.

From: peter.grierson@s...
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 1:08am
Subject: Clipping Multiiple items; Keyboard Fuctions with any Keyboard

> 
> 	The OS doesn't directly support multiple select, so each 
program
> implements it itself if so desired. 

MagicText's ($20) ClipBoard Stack (free plug-in) will hold 16 items, 
the 17th pushes the first item out of the stack.

LapTopHack ($14) also expands the size of the clipboard from 1k up to 
32k.

=====
>On the subject of the MiniEdior - is there a keyboard shortcut to 
>close the
>window and enter the item? I'm thinking Ctrl-Enter could be a good 
>one, perhaps? 
>
>I do have a workaround involving the 1.6 version of the PPK-driver, 
but this obviously only works for this device. 

LapTopHack ($14) allows your to activate any screen item using any 
keyboard via key combinations. LapTopHack gives PointerHack ("virtual 
mouse") functionality to any keyboard.

From: adekoninck@y...
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 1:09am
Subject: Re: POLL: Want a "Shadow Usage Tips / Recipes" List?

Count me in.

From: Stewart Midwinter  <midtoad@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 0:40am
Subject: Re: POLL: Want a "Shadow Usage Tips / Recipes" List?

My vote is for a new group, say "Shadow-Tips".

I find myself having to weed through 25messages or more a day on this list
looking for tips.  Most of the messages are about bugs, or discussion of the
pros and cons of some proposed new feature.  Frankly, I don't have the time
to wade through these.  I don't care about potential features; what I care
about is maximising my use of the current program.   If and when new
features arise, I'll be happy to learn how to use them at that time.

So, yes, let's split this list into two, one for development, and one for
usage.

thanks,
Stewart.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:03am
Subject: Shadow Tips Forum not open!

I have created the mailing list and web forum on yahoogroups. Feel
free to join up and start posting. Remember, this forum is for keen ideas
and discussing usage patterns, ways to be more efficient, or do cool
things on your palm with Shadow. It is not for discussing features or bugs
or pets.. just the good stuff. For power users or non-power-users who want
to become power users.

	http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss

	I'll be adding a link to it on the codejedi site immediately.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:08am
Subject: Errr, correction :)

Shadow Tips Forum *NOW* open. These long days must be catching up
;)

	Again, Shadow Tips is a forum for keeners to discuss keen ideas,
and for us non-keeners to become keeners. Side chatter and inappropriate
comments will be removed by moderators to keep this forum lean and to the
point.

	Shadow-discuss will remain as a general purpose forum for
features, ideas, chit chat, whatever. 

	http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-tips

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:12am
Subject: Chat?

I've never used a yahoogroups Chat before. I do live in various
IRC servers (though not ICQ or AOL Instant Messenger or the like). Would a
question and answer chat period be useful to anyone, or fun? (No taking
cheap shots. With the volume of email I get, I'm already wimpering in a
dark corner on a nightly basis ;)

	If a resounding yes, I can try and find a useful chat server and
set a time where you guys can bug me for an hour.

	If its far too nerdy or not a good idea, we cna let it drop. It
just occurred to me.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Ian M. Sacklow  <isacklow@d...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:34am
Subject: Re: Chat?

i have used the yahoo chat feature for weekly iopug meetings. works like
irc but limits access to members of the list. could be an intersting idea
at some point
ian

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:12:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Chat?
> 
> 
> 	I've never used a yahoogroups Chat before. I do live in various
> IRC servers (though not ICQ or AOL Instant Messenger or the like). Would a
> question and answer chat period be useful to anyone, or fun? (No taking
> cheap shots. With the volume of email I get, I'm already wimpering in a
> dark corner on a nightly basis ;)
> 
> 	If a resounding yes, I can try and find a useful chat server and
> set a time where you guys can bug me for an hour.
> 
> 	If its far too nerdy or not a good idea, we cna let it drop. It
> just occurred to me.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:18am
Subject: [shadow-tips] first post first post (fwd)

Maybe I'm taking it too far, but in the spirit of Shadow Tips,
this first posting is being removed ;) Ian -- be proud, and I hope you
don't mind.

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:14:27 -0000
From: isacklow@d...
Reply-To: shadow-tips@yahoogroups.com
To: shadow-tips@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-tips] first post first post

woo hoo :)

great idea for this forum jeff. keep up the great work on the program
ian


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From: Ian M. Sacklow  <isacklow@d...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:39am
Subject: Re: [shadow-tips] first post first post (fwd)

no problem, couldn't resist :)
was wondering if i was loosing it when i did a refresh and saw it wasn't
there anymore.
ian

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:18:17 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Reply-To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] [shadow-tips] first post first post (fwd)
> 
> 
> 	Maybe I'm taking it too far, but in the spirit of Shadow Tips,
> this first posting is being removed ;) Ian -- be proud, and I hope you
> don't mind.
> 
> 		Jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:14:27 -0000
> From: isacklow@d...
> Reply-To: shadow-tips@yahoogroups.com
> To: shadow-tips@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-tips] first post first post
> 
> woo hoo :)
> 
> great idea for this forum jeff. keep up the great work on the program
> ian
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-tips-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
>

From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 2:49pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Tips Forum not open!

Jeff,

ROTFL! Sorry to have fun at your expense, but this made my morning. Get
some sleep this weekend will ya!!!

Scott

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 3:41pm
Subject: RE: Chat?

I think that would be super-- Yahoo Chat works really well too- no extra set
up involved if you're already on the list & have a Yahoo ID.


Jen

---------------
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http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:13 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Chat?



	I've never used a yahoogroups Chat before. I do live in various
IRC servers (though not ICQ or AOL Instant Messenger or the like). Would a
question and answer chat period be useful to anyone, or fun? (No taking
cheap shots. With the volume of email I get, I'm already wimpering in a
dark corner on a nightly basis ;)

	If a resounding yes, I can try and find a useful chat server and
set a time where you guys can bug me for an hour.

	If its far too nerdy or not a good idea, we cna let it drop. It
just occurred to me.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_


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From: richardabarnes@c...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 1:39pm
Subject: Persistant List

I just started using the new desk top and I must have done something 
really wrong.  I have a file that I was practicing with on both 
systems. I deleted it on the desk top but now I cannot open or delete 
it on my hand held.
  
When I try to open the file I get a message box that says bad load  
The list could not be loaded.  There is nothing additional in the 
information box either.

When I try to delete the list either from the menu or the trash can 
the program goes through the two normal message boxes but the list 
remains. AND when I close Shadow there is a fatal error message 
waiting for me (MemoryMgrNew.c Line:4257, invalid chunk ptr)  This 
requires a hard reset.

If I need to, I think I can remember all the steps that led up to 
this (and there were many).  But, if there is a simple fix it would 
be nice to avoid the memories.  

Either way the original program has been a welcome addition to my 
work and I am really excited about incorporating the desk top.

Hope this is simple.

From: jrs47@o...
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 5:02pm
Subject: Importing from Brainforest

I've got several large outlines in Brainforest where I store documents
as notes.  Naturally I'd like to import to Brainforest without
retyping them.  In the absence of cut and paste on the desktop, has
anyone worked out a way to import Brainforest outlines?

TIA,
Janice

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 5:55pm
Subject: Re: Persistant List

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 richardabarnes@c... wrote:

> When I try to delete the list either from the menu or the trash can 
> the program goes through the two normal message boxes but the list 
> remains. AND when I close Shadow there is a fatal error message 
> waiting for me (MemoryMgrNew.c Line:4257, invalid chunk ptr)  This 
> requires a hard reset.

	Delte it like this:

	Trash, Yes, No.

	If it doesn't go away, do it a couple more times. It'll go
away. Sometimes the OS doesn't like to let it go for a second.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2001 6:18pm
Subject: Re: Importing from Brainforest

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 jrs47@o... wrote:

> I've got several large outlines in Brainforest where I store documents
> as notes.  Naturally I'd like to import to Brainforest without
> retyping them.  In the absence of cut and paste on the desktop, has
> anyone worked out a way to import Brainforest outlines?

	Typically, you can export as memo from BF on the handheld, and
import from memo into Shadow on the handheld. This will maintain your
text, though is less elegant with dates.

	If BF's desktop can export text, then you can pretty easily use a
repeating little macro in any wordpro to format the text as a Shadow file
for loading into the handheld (until I add an import system to the
desktop).

	For example, just the other day I took inventory of my CD
collection. I've always kept a simple ASCII textfile listing..

Band1
Band2
Band3

	To bring it into Shadow I just made a macro (in like 10
seconds) that changed it to the following:

<item>
  <title>Band1</title>
</item>

	Then put <ShadowPlanFile> and the top and </ShadowPlanFile> at the
bottom. Then you can have the desktop application send it up to the
handheld and you're done. This will allow you to set notes, checkboxes,
and such, pretty easily. But you'll have to play with a wordpro and macros
to make it easy.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Timothy Woerner  <TEWoerner@m...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 3:44pm
Subject: ShadowPlan Desktop won't sync

ShadowPlan Desktop still won't sync.  Synchronization stops and 
Visor crashes as ShadowPlan sync begins.  

My "failed" lastsync.txt file was sent to support.

Using Visor Prism (running Palm OS v3.5.2H1.5), HotSyncManager 
3.1.2H, ShadowPlan 2.0.0 (registered), ShadowPlan Desktop 1.0 
(registered), and Windows XP Home Edition.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

From: Jacques Turbé  <jacques@t...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 5:07pm
Subject: Re: [shadow-tips] Why only one post (#2) ?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Maybe I'm taking it too far, but in the spirit of Shadow Tips,
> this first posting is being removed ;) Ian -- be proud, and I hope 
you
> don't mind.
> 

What happens ?

I posted friday on Shadow-tips a (long) tip. It got #2. It still 
there, alone on the list, for three days now : no more tip-posts ??
Nobody here is any more talking about Shadow-tips ? Jeff ?

What happens ?

Cheers,

Puzzled Jacques

From: Ed Barlett  <f_faste@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Re: [shadow-tips] Why only one post (#2) ?

OK, I Just bought Shadow a couple days ago -- Played with it a year or so
ago, but started using Project -- Came back a week ago for a second look
because of all the talk about the linking abilities.  I was truly impressed
with the progress over the last year!

Anyway my tip for Shadow users also using DateBK4 --

At the moment Shadow does not support Address Book linking.  One of the
first projects I'm putting in needs links to the address book.  (would this
be considered the missing link?)

I use the name of the person as a Shadow item, and put in a DateBK4 link.
For the date I Picked Jan 1 2031 -- that's where the date picker stops if
you tap and hold the right arrow on the year then Jan 1 is two taps away.  I
then followed the link into DateBK4 and using that program created a link to
the address book.

Now I am only 2 taps away from the phone number and the attached note!  Then
when the day comes that Shadow supports  direct links to address book, I
have all my indirect links in one place for cleaning up.




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From: Yaakov Shlafman  <shlaf@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 6:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: [shadow-tips] Why only one post (#2) ?

--- Ed Barlett <f_faste@y...> wrote:

> 
> Anyway my tip for Shadow users also using DateBK4 --
> 
> At the moment Shadow does not support Address Book linking.  One of the
> first projects I'm putting in needs links to the address book.  (would this
> be considered the missing link?)
> 
> ....

It does have Address Book linking!  Link Manager->Add lets you add links to the
Address Book into the current item...


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From: Ed Barlett  <f_faste@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:26pm
Subject: Datebook Links

Thanks Yaakov -- I see it now.  I even remember trying it out as I read the
manual.  I guess I got hung up on the first "LINK MANAGER" dialog -- seeing
ToDo link and Datebook link and not seeing Address book  link -- just gave
up.

I'll just sit back red-faced and lurk for a while <bg> ...

...ed


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:46pm
Subject: Re: ShadowPlan Desktop won't sync

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Timothy Woerner wrote:

> ShadowPlan Desktop still won't sync.  Synchronization stops and 
> Visor crashes as ShadowPlan sync begins.  
> 
> My "failed" lastsync.txt file was sent to support.

	I'll reply to the support one, since I know you'll be reading that
email address. Do not send to both support and the mailing list.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: [shadow-tips] Why only one post (#2) ?

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, [iso-8859-1] Jacques Turbé wrote:

> > this first posting is being removed ;) Ian -- be proud, and I hope 
> you
> > don't mind.
> 
> What happens ?

	happened? He posted a "woohoo, I'm first post!" email, so I had to
remove it since shadow-tips needs to be lean ;)

> I posted friday on Shadow-tips a (long) tip. It got #2. It still
> there, alone on the list, for three days now : no more tip-posts ??
> Nobody here is any more talking about Shadow-tips ? Jeff ?

	come on everyone, lets hear your tips in shadow-tips (and
shadow-discuss if you like). I've got a few I'll post, but I'm short on
time (answering all these emails ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: [shadow-tips] Why only one post (#2) ?

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Ed Barlett wrote:

> OK, I Just bought Shadow a couple days ago -- Played with it a year or so
> ago, but started using Project -- Came back a week ago for a second look
> because of all the talk about the linking abilities.  I was truly impressed
> with the progress over the last year!

	Welcome back :)

> At the moment Shadow does not support Address Book linking.  One of the

	It sure does! Shadow links to all the built in applications!

	See the Link Manager (from link arrow or Link button in details or
/O form main list view)

> first projects I'm putting in needs links to the address book.  (would this
> be considered the missing link?)

	doh ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: richardabarnes@c...
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:57pm
Subject: Re: Persistant List

Jeff,

Thanks.  It worked on the second try. The only difference between 
your instructions and what I was doing before was that I was tapping 
the "yes" button on the "delete links" message box.  

I appreciate your extra effort.  It adds to the value of your product.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 richardabarnes@c... wrote:
> 
> > When I try to delete the list either from the menu or the trash 
can 
> > the program goes through the two normal message boxes but the 
list 
> > remains. AND when I close Shadow there is a fatal error message 
> > waiting for me (MemoryMgrNew.c Line:4257, invalid chunk ptr)  
This 
> > requires a hard reset.
> 
> 	Delte it like this:
> 
> 	Trash, Yes, No.
> 
> 	If it doesn't go away, do it a couple more times. It'll go
> away. Sometimes the OS doesn't like to let it go for a second.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Persistant List

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 richardabarnes@c... wrote:

> Thanks.  It worked on the second try. The only difference between 
> your instructions and what I was doing before was that I was tapping 
> the "yes" button on the "delete links" message box.  

	yeah; I need to smarten that function up a bit. In certain cases,
when a list isn't quite kocher, it can get funny there :/

> I appreciate your extra effort.  It adds to the value of your product.

	*g* I dislike leaving people in the dark. Its about liveration,
not limiting :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 2:27am
Subject: Anyone using Shadow Desktop and Win XP?

Someone is having troubles, so I'd like to know if people are
having positive Shadow experiences with XP, or if XP is a problem.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: David Keltie  <dave@z...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:32am
Subject: RE: Anyone using Shadow Desktop and Win XP?

Positive so far. But I'm not using the desktop much yet. I'll give it
some welly this week and report any problems...
 
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: 12 November 2001 02:27
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Anyone using Shadow Desktop and Win XP?



      Someone is having troubles, so I'd like to know if people are
having positive Shadow experiences with XP, or if XP is a problem.

            jef f 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Alan  <as265@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:20am
Subject: Re: Anyone using Shadow Desktop and Win XP?

I haven't had a problem with it under XP, but, to be honest, I don't use the
desktop version often.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Mitchell
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Anyone using Shadow Desktop and Win XP?

      Someone is having troubles, so I'd like to know if people are
having positive Shadow experiences with XP, or if XP is a problem.

From: mark_dao@y...
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:33pm
Subject: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

Hi all,

Downloaded shadow plan and I've been playing with it tryin to compare 
to Bonsai / Brainforest over the weekend.  I've been using 
Brainforest for the last 2 years and am fairly disappointed that the 
app has basically not changed in that period of time.  When it first 
came out, it was great.  But no enhancements for two years?  And it 
still doesn't have full sync capabilities.

I'm really excited about Shadow b/c 1) there seems to be a lot of new 
development surrounding it 2) the app itself is already great (can't 
wait to see how it will continue to advance 3) XML support (need I 
say more).

I'm interested in writing simple db table dump to Shadow XML format 
converter (is there already one out there?) to get my bug lists 
easily converted to Shadow.

Anyways, enough of my Shadow-newbie excitement.  Couple of quick 
questions.

1) is there a way that the date column can change from --/-- to - 
when a date is not available?  Would take up less column space and be 
less intrusive.  If the "--/--" is there to differentiate from a non-
existent link "-" then perhaps the date can be changed to "--"?
2) if mini-edit is turned on (by the way, this is a GREAT! feature), 
is there a way we can get to details quicker than going through mini-
edit?
3) is there a way to switch between 
checklist/note/tasklist/flat/custom easier than using the drop down?  
I guess we're constrained by screen size and having all this 
available on the same page as detailed edit.

For the desktop app:
1) Is there going to be the standard notes column, date column, 
checkboxes, etc.?  I know this is only a first rev (and it's really 
nice by the way), but just interested in what's coming up.

Thanks in advance!

Mark

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:50pm
Subject: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:

> app has basically not changed in that period of time.  When it first 
> came out, it was great.  But no enhancements for two years?  And it 
> still doesn't have full sync capabilities.

	Poor BrainForest. Coolest application name and Aportis let it rot
and charged far too much for it :(

> I'm interested in writing simple db table dump to Shadow XML format 
> converter (is there already one out there?) to get my bug lists 
> easily converted to Shadow.

	Should be very easy. I do it all the time ;)

	1) Select from database
	2) Format into something useful
	3) Spit it out wrapped with <ite><title>...</title></item>
	4) Put <ShadowPlanFile> and the top, and </ShadowPlanFile> at the
bottom.
	5) Your'e done! Upload with desktop.

> 1) is there a way that the date column can change from --/-- to - when
> a date is not available?  Would take up less column space and be less
> intrusive.  If the "--/--" is there to differentiate from a non-
> existent link "-" then perhaps the date can be changed to "--"?

	I can change it, but since its been this way for a long time, it'd
require plenty of voting. Even if we changed it to - you would get no more
line space for text -- I tried that, and it looks *terrible* to have
columns overrun with text every other line. It makes the column hard to
read and thus removes its value from the lines that use it. It also throws
off the view of the list structure. So in general, a column is pretty
static. Displaying the nil-date as - is easily done, but you'd have to
convince everyone :) (We experimented a lot.. like having wrap titles use
the whole line for space, but it just ruins the look)

> 2) if mini-edit is turned on (by the way, this is a GREAT! feature),
> is there a way we can get to details quicker than going through mini-
> edit?

	Tap the details button or icon button? (ie: New and double-tap can
go to ME depending on your settings, but Details (or the icon button for
it) are always Details. You can double-tap to go to Details unless you've
set that to go to the ME.

> 3) is there a way to switch between
> checklist/note/tasklist/flat/custom easier than using the drop down?  

	Hmm. Theres no "view buttons" like in datebook type
programs. There is the [V] popmenu. In general, I don't think most people
change the list global type too often so I didn't provide a super-fast way
to do it. The [V] popmenu is pretty fast and takes up little space.

> I guess we're constrained by screen size and having all this available
> on the same page as detailed edit.

	yeah; As you can tell, I've been packling things into that little
screen like a maniac, but its tough and we've run out of space long ago :)

> For the desktop app:
> 1) Is there going to be the standard notes column, date column, 
> checkboxes, etc.?  I know this is only a first rev (and it's really 
> nice by the way), but just interested in what's coming up.

	Yep; definitely.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Randy Willard  <randywillard@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:14pm
Subject: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

Should be easy eh? Well, I guess I'm a puter dummy, cause I don't know an 
easy way to do it. Can someone write a brief tutorial on how to create a 
macro to make a list into XML? I would love it.

Thanks,

Randy

At 05:50 PM 11/12/01 -0500, you wrote:


>       Should be very easy. I do it all the time ;)
>
>       1) Select from database
>       2) Format into something useful
>       3) Spit it out wrapped with <ite><title>...</title></item>
>       4) Put <ShadowPlanFile> and the top, and </ShadowPlanFile> at the
>bottom.
>       5) Your'e done! Upload with desktop.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:22pm
Subject: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Randy Willard wrote:

> Should be easy eh? Well, I guess I'm a puter dummy, cause I don't know an 
> easy way to do it. Can someone write a brief tutorial on how to create a 
> macro to make a list into XML? I would love it.

	Depends where you're getting the data from.

	I use a macro in my text editor...

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Randy
> 
> At 05:50 PM 11/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> 
> >       Should be very easy. I do it all the time ;)
> >
> >       1) Select from database
> >       2) Format into something useful
> >       3) Spit it out wrapped with <ite><title>...</title></item>
> >       4) Put <ShadowPlanFile> and the top, and </ShadowPlanFile> at the
> >bottom.
> >       5) Your'e done! Upload with desktop.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: bstryd@a...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:00am
Subject: ShadowDesktop printing problem

Jeff,

Whenever I print one of the (great looking) Shadow files, the 
software overrides my printer selections and chooses A4 paper size 
instead of my default letter size. I am running Win98 with an HP IIIP 
Laserjet. Anyone else having this problem?

From: mark_dao@y...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:26am
Subject: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:
> 
> > app has basically not changed in that period of time.  When it
> > first came out, it was great.  But no enhancements for two
> > years?  And it still doesn't have full sync capabilities.
> 
> 	Poor BrainForest. Coolest application name and Aportis let
>       it rot and charged far too much for it :(

Can't agree more.  BrainForest is a cool name ... although Shadow is 
pretty darn marketable.  I'm now a registered Shadow user. :)

 
> > 1) is there a way that the date column can change from --/-- to - 
> > when a date is not available?  Would take up less column space
> > and be less intrusive.  If the "--/--" is there to differentiate
> > from a non-existent link "-" then perhaps the date can be
> > changed to "--"?
> 
> 	I can change it, but since its been this way for a long time,
>       it'd require plenty of voting. Even if we changed it to - you
>       would get no more line space for text -- I tried that, and it
>       looks *terrible* to have columns overrun with text every
>       other line. It makes the column hard to read and thus removes
>       its value from the lines that use it. It also throws
>       off the view of the list structure. So in general, a column
>       is pretty static. Displaying the nil-date as - is easily 
>       done, but you'd have to convince everyone :) (We experimented
>       a lot.. like having wrap titles use the whole line for space,
>       but it just ruins the look)

Yeah, this request is more out of cleanliness of the look rather than 
getting extra space.  I guess my first message was a bit misleading.  
It would be nice to have an option to show "nothing" for nil-dates so 
the view would be less cluttered (see Bonsai or BF).

I have some pretty deep trees and I tend to mix notes with todo's. 
None of my notes have dates. Some of my todo's don't have dates and 
some do.  It would be nice to only see something in the date column 
for date items rather than having a whole column of --/-- just for 
the couple of rows that have dates.  At the same time, I need some 
sort of visual indicator for the todo's that do have dates associated.

Perhaps my usage is still BF focused and as I use Shadow more I'll be 
able to either visually filter the --/-- column.

If it's easy, I think it would be a really nice option to have 
either "--/--" or "" for empty dates.  What do you think?

> > 2) if mini-edit is turned on (by the way, this is a GREAT! 
feature), is there a way we can get to details quicker than going 
through mini-edit?
> 
> 	Tap the details button or icon button? (ie: New and double-
>       tap can go to ME depending on your settings, but Details (or
>       the icon button for it) are always Details. You can double-
>       tap to go to Details unless you've set that to go to the ME.

Cool, didn't see the details button.  Excellent!  Exactly what I was 
looking for.

Thanks.

From: mark_dao@y...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:03am
Subject: Auto number

Anybody know why the autonumber flag gets automatically changed by 
the destop?

I've got a shadow file on my palm.  I sync with the desktop.  Open 
the tree to level 4.  When I try to close the desktop, it asks me if 
I want to save my changes.

Did I set some property somewhere?

TIA.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:23am
Subject: Re: ShadowDesktop printing problem

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 bstryd@a... wrote:

> Whenever I print one of the (great looking) Shadow files, the 

	But if anyone knows any html whizzes, get back to me ;) The
formatting could use some sprucing up :) And what sort of options do I
need to offer? (I know I know.. filtering, then print derived from
filters..)

> software overrides my printer selections and chooses A4 paper size 
> instead of my default letter size. I am running Win98 with an HP IIIP 
> Laserjet. Anyone else having this problem?

	Yeah, its a lttle funny. Each time you open Shadow Desktop, you
need to pick the paper type. I need to work on that.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:30am
Subject: Re: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:

> Can't agree more.  BrainForest is a cool name ... although Shadow is 
> pretty darn marketable.  I'm now a registered Shadow user. :)

	I don't know if Shadow is really marketable, but its "cool" and
people tend to remember it :)  I also like to claim that I came up with it
as a neat idea of your Shadow remembering your data (see, thats the
catch=phrase I use).. but it originally just came out of the blue and
knocked me on the head. "Shadow". I tried hard to think of somethign
better, like "Palm Plan" but didn't want to get into hot water with Palm.
"Hand Plan" just sounded like you wanted to smack someone. Shadow was then
the secret code until I released it. So it went to Alpha and Beta as
Shadow and when it came time for 1.0 I couldn't think of a better name,
and I have to dmit.. I *really* like "Shadow Plan" for some unknown
reason. So it stuck. 

	As the desktop says, its secret code name was "Kickaha", though
few know it. Anyone keeping a Shadow Trivia question list? :)

	But now everyone has dregded up "The Shadow Knows", but its not my
fault ;)

> Yeah, this request is more out of cleanliness of the look rather than 
> getting extra space.  I guess my first message was a bit misleading.  
> It would be nice to have an option to show "nothing" for nil-dates so 
> the view would be less cluttered (see Bonsai or BF).

	I could make a pref to suppress --/-- if multiple people want
it. *shrug*

> If it's easy, I think it would be a really nice option to have either
> "--/--" or "" for empty dates.  What do you think?

	Its easily done. I tend not to use dates on the main display (too
much space consumed) so it doesn't matter to me. I am tempted to offer
start and finish date optional columns, but then your screen is totally
shot. I've been trying to think of a slick graphical way to display
dates.. like a mini calendar with the month hilighted.. but it always
takes more room that we have, on a *per column* basis. If you wanted to
show start, finish, and target, then we have 3 columns space to work in,
I'm sure we could do it in 2 (for a 1 column saving). But stilll...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:55am
Subject: Re: Auto number

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:

> Anybody know why the autonumber flag gets automatically changed by 
> the destop?

	Does it? If so, that is a bug.

> I've got a shadow file on my palm.  I sync with the desktop.  Open 
> the tree to level 4.  When I try to close the desktop, it asks me if 
> I want to save my changes.

	If you expanded or collapsed items, than that is a "change" in
that the desktop can save that and remember it for next time. However,
expand and collapse changes will not be sent over to the handheld unless
something else is also changed in those items.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mark_dao@y...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:53am
Subject: Re: Auto number

> > Anybody know why the autonumber flag gets automatically changed 
> > by the destop?
> 
> 	Does it? If so, that is a bug.
> 
> > I've got a shadow file on my palm.  I sync with the desktop.
> > Open the tree to level 4.  When I try to close the desktop, it 
> > asks me if I want to save my changes.
> 
> 	If you expanded or collapsed items, than that is a "change"
>       in that the desktop can save that and remember it for next
>       time. However, expand and collapse changes will not be sent
>       over to the handheld unless something else is also changed
>       in those items.

Actually what I'm trying to do is figure out why I get a whole bunch 
of duplicates on both sides (desktop and palm).  So after I did 
the "save changes" off the desktop, I did a diff with a backup 
version of the .xml file.  A whole bunch of lines came up as a diff 
with the "autonumber flag" changed.

All of this is with the unregistered version (since I haven't 
received my registration code from palm gear yet).  I'll let you know 
if I still have problems after registering.

I was just wondering if there was something random that I was doing 
incorrectly.

Thanks,
Mark

From: mark_dao@y...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:57am
Subject: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

> Its easily done. I tend not to use dates on the main display (too
> much space consumed) so it doesn't matter to me. I am tempted to
> offer start and finish date optional columns, but then your screen
> is totally shot. I've been trying to think of a slick graphical way
> to display dates.. like a mini calendar with the month hilighted..
> but it always takes more room that we have, on a *per column*
> basis. If you wanted to show start, finish, and target, then we
> have 3 columns space to work in,
> I'm sure we could do it in 2 (for a 1 column saving). But stilll...

Definitely agree that showing start/finish/target would take WAY too 
much room.  Even two columns is a lot of room.  I guess for what I 
do, I could care less when the start date was and when I actually 
finished.  I just want to know what my target dates are.  Anyways, 
how many pixels do you have for the date column?  I'll see if our UI 
guys at work can come up with anything swift.

From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:43am
Subject: Moving from LifeBalance

Hi people!

I am a new user, waiting for my license after registering just now. 

I am also a current user of LifeBalance and have loads of stuff now essentially trapped. Does anyone have smart ideas on how to move my data out of there and into a nice Shadow outline? The ToDo-exports of LB will just give me flat items of the final "leafs" of each branch, AFAIK. That won't do at all, I'm afraid. Yeah - retyping, you say? I'm ecstatic about that option :-)

Thanks!


peace,
Tormod in Stockholm
http://www.airwhale.com/

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 0:58pm
Subject: Re: Okay to upgrade from 1.54 to 2.0?

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 mtamsm@y... wrote:

> Just checking to see if I need to upgrade from 1.54 incrementally to 
> 2.0.

	Nope; just do the leap. You only have to worry if you're coming
from way back, like 1.2 or maybe 1.3 to 2.0; 1.5.4 is reasonably recent so
should not be a problem whatsoever.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:04pm
Subject: RE: Moving from LifeBalance

I've forgotten since I used it last-- will LB export as a memo or into
another database format like BrainForest or Bonsai?? You could then import
to Shadow without any trouble at all.

If not, it might be faster to let it import your todos and then reconstruct
the outline manually, instead of typing in every single item.  You'll
probably find that you'll organize things slightly differently in Shadow
anyway.


Jen

---------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!



-----Original Message-----
From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
[mailto:tormod.halvorsen@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:44 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Moving from LifeBalance


Hi people!

I am a new user, waiting for my license after registering just now.

I am also a current user of LifeBalance and have loads of stuff now
essentially trapped. Does anyone have smart ideas on how to move my data out
of there and into a nice Shadow outline? The ToDo-exports of LB will just
give me flat items of the final "leafs" of each branch, AFAIK. That won't do
at all, I'm afraid. Yeah - retyping, you say? I'm ecstatic about that option
:-)

Thanks!


peace,
Tormod in Stockholm
http://www.airwhale.com/




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From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:25pm
Subject: RE: Moving from LifeBalance

>I've forgotten since I used it last-- will LB export as a memo or into
		>another database format like BrainForest or Bonsai??

Nope - no exports of any kind besides ToDo's. This is a major limitation of the app IMO.


		>If not, it might be faster to let it import your todos and then reconstruct
		>the outline manually, instead of typing in every single item. 

Yeah, I might have to do that. Heh - I tried to add to an outline just and hit the ceiling for number of allowed records in the eval :-) I *will* be organizing a bit differently. I am trying to implement some Covey-principles and use the Quadrant 2 method. It does take some getting used to, but it sure seems nifty.


peace,
Tormod in Stockholm
http://www.airwhale.com/

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: Auto number

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:

> Actually what I'm trying to do is figure out why I get a whole bunch 
> of duplicates on both sides (desktop and palm).  So after I did 
> the "save changes" off the desktop, I did a diff with a backup 
> version of the .xml file.  A whole bunch of lines came up as a diff 
> with the "autonumber flag" changed.

	You mean, in the XML before you did some stuff on the desktop the
autonumber was 0, and then after you did some stuff, the autonumber was
non-zero? The GUI shouldn't touch autonumber at this point.

> All of this is with the unregistered version (since I haven't 
> received my registration code from palm gear yet).  I'll let you know 
> if I still have problems after registering.

	PG sometimes takes a few hours or a day to get me the orders.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Date Column display / Details View + mini edit

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:

> Definitely agree that showing start/finish/target would take WAY too 
> much room.  Even two columns is a lot of room.  I guess for what I 
> do, I could care less when the start date was and when I actually 
> finished.  I just want to know what my target dates are.  Anyways, 
> how many pixels do you have for the date column?  I'll see if our UI 
> guys at work can come up with anything swift.

	Not many ;) I'm not at the code right now, but I'd guess it gets
about 40 or 50 pixels..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:19pm
Subject: Re: Moving from LifeBalance

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 tormod.halvorsen@s... wrote:

> I am also a current user of LifeBalance and have loads of stuff now
> essentially trapped. Does anyone have smart ideas on how to move my
> data out of there and into a nice Shadow outline? The ToDo-exports of
> LB will just give me flat items of the final "leafs" of each branch,
> AFAIK. That won't do at all, I'm afraid. Yeah - retyping, you say? I'm
> ecstatic about that option :-)

	What other export options are there? ToDo is last ditch. OKay, is
there a memo or DOC or other form of text export?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: RE: Moving from LifeBalance

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 tormod.halvorsen@s... wrote:

> >'ve forgotten since I used it last-- will LB export as a memo or into
> >another database format like BrainForest or Bonsai??
> 
> Nope - no exports of any kind besides ToDo's. This is a major
> limitation of the app IMO.

	I suspect a lot of applications give limited (or crappy) exports
so its harder to leave them. at the same time, it severely limits their
tools usefullness.  Some of the other outliners have really crappy (read,
useless, ambiguous, etc) exports. I'm very pleased that Shadow works in
terms of XML.. that should get you your data into any number of things.

>>If not, it might be faster to let it import your todos and then reconstruct
>>the outline manually, instead of typing in every single item. 
> 
> Yeah, I might have to do that. Heh - I tried to add to an outline just
> and hit the ceiling for number of allowed records in the eval :-) I
> *will* be organizing a bit differently. I am trying to implement some
> Covey-principles and use the Quadrant 2 method. It does take some
> getting used to, but it sure seems nifty.

	Keep us posted. Everyone is always interested in how other peopel
organize themselves. Maybe we'll pick up something, and maybe theres lots
to share for you to pick up. Enjoy!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:11pm
Subject: Keyboard?

I just snagged a Targus Stowaway so I can do some keyboard
improvements for you guys :)

	So now.. what do I need to get to make my keyboard worth the
investment?

	1) New drivers have a mouse pointer? Whats this?!
	2) LaptopHack sounds good.
	3) What other toys are cool?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:18pm
Subject: RE: Keyboard?

Actually, I don’t think the new driver is quite so fast as the old, and the
mouse pointer feature is of limited use.  I haven’t tried Laptop Hack yet
though, so I hope you’ll tell us about your experiences!

Jen

---------------
PocketGoddess
http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:12 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Keyboard?



	I just snagged a Targus Stowaway so I can do some keyboard
improvements for you guys :)

	So now.. what do I need to get to make my keyboard worth the
investment?

	1) New drivers have a mouse pointer? Whats this?!
	2) LaptopHack sounds good.
	3) What other toys are cool?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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From: e@ematthews.net
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:39pm
Subject: New Premier Datebook -- DateMan

FYI Check out the datebook forum for a new premier datebook call 
DateMan. Seems to work well with Shadow.
The beta version is available. Responsive author!!!!
First public release Dec 1 2001

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DateMan

From: Alan  <as265@y...>
Date: Tue Nov 13, 2001 11:45pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard?

Laptop Hack is great, but it has a steep learning curve, IMHO.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jeff Mitchell 
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:11 PM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Keyboard?



      I just snagged a Targus Stowaway so I can do some keyboard
improvements for you guys :)

      So now.. what do I need to get to make my keyboard worth the
investment?

      1) New drivers have a mouse pointer? Whats this?!
      2) LaptopHack sounds good.
      3) What other toys are cool?

From: mark_dao@y...
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 2:17am
Subject: Re: Auto number

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:
> 
> > Actually what I'm trying to do is figure out why I get a whole
> > bunch of duplicates on both sides (desktop and palm).  So after
> > I did the "save changes" off the desktop, I did a diff with a
> > backup version of the .xml file.  A whole bunch of lines came up 
> > as a diff with the "autonumber flag" changed.
> 
> 	You mean, in the XML before you did some stuff on the desktop
>       the autonumber was 0, and then after you did some stuff, the
>       autonumber was non-zero? The GUI shouldn't touch autonumber
>       at this point.

Ok, I've registered everything and the desktop app is definitely 
doing something odd.  I've got a list with list-pref autonumbering 
set to bullet-bullet-bullet.

Then I take the following steps:

sync with desktop (save copy of recipes.xml as foo.xml)
open list in DT app
open up first level
close first level
close the current list (not the whole DT app, just the current list)
[asked to save list]
save

Diff foo.xml and recipes.xml

Every single autonumber has been set back to 0 by the desktop app.

Am I doing something wrong?

-Mark

From: tormod.halvorsen@s...
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:33am
Subject: RE: Keyboard?

>So now.. what do I need to get to make my keyboard worth the
			>investment?
			>
			>1) New drivers have a mouse pointer? Whats this?!
Stowaway - that's the same as the PPK, right? It folds together nicely. The new driver is at www.thinkoutside.com <http://www.thinkoutside.com>  and if you enable the pointer, it will show a little pointer-arrow on screen when you hold down the Alt-key. Move it around with the direction arrows and click with the Enter-key, all while still holding down Alt. I certainly find it more pleasant than letting go of the keys and grab for the stylus all the time, and I find it very useful.

			>2) LaptopHack sounds good.
I didn't really understand it myself, as someone else said, it seems to have quite a learning curve. It supposedly works synergistically with pEdit32 (think that's the name, same author) - a rather powerful, if geeky, editor.

			>3) What other toys are cool?
The keyboard itself *is* kinda cool. I still get "ooohhss" and "aahhs" whenever I set it up at the start of a meeting. It has that nice James Bond feeling to it, I think. What I really want now is the Bluetooth SD-card so I can connect without having to line up the darn IR for my phone. I think the PQAs would be much more valuable to me then.


peace,
Tormod in Stockholm
http://www.airwhale.com/



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Auto number

I tried it and you are correct. This is a bug. I will fix ASAP.

		jeff

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 mark_dao@y... wrote:

> Ok, I've registered everything and the desktop app is definitely 
> doing something odd.  I've got a list with list-pref autonumbering 
> set to bullet-bullet-bullet.
> 
> Then I take the following steps:
> 
> sync with desktop (save copy of recipes.xml as foo.xml)
> open list in DT app
> open up first level
> close first level
> close the current list (not the whole DT app, just the current list)
> [asked to save list]
> save
> 
> Diff foo.xml and recipes.xml
> 
> Every single autonumber has been set back to 0 by the desktop app.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong?
> 
> -Mark
> 
> 
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jreyes1958@y...
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard?

I find like a lot of tools that i only use about 20% of the laptophack
  "LTH" thing, the 80% i don't even know how to use. 

The most useful feature is the rotator function -- that is -- while my
keyboard (gotype keyboard) has functions for enter button, new button,
cancel button, there always seems to be buttons -- (good example would
be the icons in SP) that you can get to, so laptop hack allows you to
rotate thru the buttons in turn to invoke them.

The whole idea of laptop hack appears to be the idealistic theory that
you should be able to do everything from the keyboard without a
stylus. -- found that i can mainly accomplish that, but some are so
fiddley in laptop hack that its not worth the effort to remember the
keysequence or menu option that i reach for the stylus. Same could be
said for windows, some things could be done with keyboard, but some
are done so infrequently that i just reach for the mouse.

as for pedit -- it is a geeky tool -- reminds me of emacs or pico --
both of which i use in my day job but again even in those powerful
tools, i only use about 20% of the software -- same could be said for
software like excel -- there are ton of functions and add-ins that
come with it that probably are never installed or used except by the
few people who really need them. Not knocking the approach, because
when you need that esoteric function, nothing else will do, but for
80% of us we only need the 20% of the features. 


now comes out my academic snobby self  :) :)

steep learning curve technically means something is easy, but
unfortunately everyday venacular has denoted it to be exactly the
opposite -- 

oh well, sigh!!!






--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Alan" <as265@y...> wrote:
> Laptop Hack is great, but it has a steep learning curve, IMHO.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jeff Mitchell 
> To: shadow-discuss@y... 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:11 PM
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Keyboard?
> 
> 
> 
>       I just snagged a Targus Stowaway so I can do some keyboard
> improvements for you guys :)
> 
>       So now.. what do I need to get to make my keyboard worth the
> investment?
> 
>       1) New drivers have a mouse pointer? Whats this?!
>       2) LaptopHack sounds good.
>       3) What other toys are cool?

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 4:33pm
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

Should undated and/or non-priority (-)
items ALWAYS be sorted to the bottom of
the list or the top of the list? Or
shoudl they follow the normal sort
mechanism, but be counted as
lowest-possible or highest-possible
values? (remember that Ascending sorts
count the lowest at the top and the
highest at the bottom!) 

  o Always sort undated/nil-priority to top 
  o Always sort undated/nil-priority to bottom 
  o Count undated/nil-priority as lowest value for sort 
  o Count undated/nil-priority as highest value for sort 


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Thanks!

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:47pm
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

What desktop operating system do you use
for sychronization? (ie: If you're using
Unix but sync with Windows, tell me
which Windows. If you're using Unix and
synching with Unix, say that.) (multiple
choices allowed for those who synch in
multiple locations) 

  o Windows 95/98/ME 
  o Windows NT/2000 
  o Windows XP (home, business, etc) 
  o Mac OS 9.x or earlier 
  o Mac OS X (or X.1, etc) 
  o Unix (FreeBSD, Linux, NetBSD, Solaris, etc) 


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From: broth123@y...
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Keyboard?

I would get the new driver - it allows me to use the keyboard with 
the mini-editor using the pointer.  It stays persentent in that 
position and I can slam through the entry of data using the keyboard.


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	I just snagged a Targus Stowaway so I can do some keyboard
> improvements for you guys :)
> 
> 	So now.. what do I need to get to make my keyboard worth the
> investment?
> 
> 	1) New drivers have a mouse pointer? Whats this?!
> 	2) LaptopHack sounds good.
> 	3) What other toys are cool?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mandora@a...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 5:55am
Subject: Desktop Suggestions

Version 2.0 of Shadow is an awesome application, Jeff!! Your hard 
work has paid off for users. I have been using Bonsai and previously 
Thought Manager. I have taken both off my Palm.

I assume that the desktop is in an early stage of development and 
open for relatively major enhancements so here goes for your 
consideration and comment by my user colleagues...

I like the concept of being able to see the details of a list on the 
desktop without having to open a menu or drill-down to the details, 
but I would most definitely give this up to gain "in place" editing 
of text in the List Panel. Editing in the detail panel is not 
intuitive and its means a lot of mouse movement. More importantly, it 
does not allow for "in place" promotion or demotion of items or 
select-and-drag moving of items within an outline - all features that 
are intuitive and necessary when working an outline. In the current 
layout, if I change my mind and want to promote or demote an item or 
move it around in the outline, for example, there is no easy way to 
do this.

As per above comments, I think the List Panel should be dynamic and 
the Details Panel a passive reflector of details. 

I really like the New Item and New Child buttons. Functionality could 
be enhanced if these commands were put on a right-click menu (and/or 
keyboard equivalent) along with other editing commands and possibly 
an undo command in the List View? I would also like to see right 
click access to items in the details Panel. Right-click access to 
editing and details functions would be an efficient and effective way 
to manage lists.

The delete feature with the highlighting seems cumbersome. I would 
also prefer an undo feature and dispensing with the delete 
confirmation dialog box.

I work with about 60+ lists. It would be helpful to have a standard 
maximize button in the upper right corner of the List View. 
Currently, I have to drag the window to the upper left and drag the 
lower right corner down to seem my lists without scrolling.

The ShadP file prefix takes up a lot of space. I assume the prefix is 
needed but could it be shorted to SP and four more character spaces 
freed up for file name?

I usually edit multiple lists on the desktop in a given session. It 
would be helpful to go to the File Selector window from the List View 
rather than the initial screen. This could be a button and/or right 
click option in the List View.

A copy and paste function is needed in the List View. An industrial 
strength feature would be a multiclip copy/move capability so that 
scattered items (with or without children) could be collected and 
pasted singlely or as a group in to one or more locations.

A filter function would be useful.

The menu bar expand-collapse buttons are global - they act on the 
whole list. Sometimes, I would prefer to expand a single item and its 
children within a list. That function could be put on a right click 
menu. That would allow both functionalities to co-exist in an 
intuitive way.

Is it possible to indicate in details if an item has a link to TODO, 
Datebook, Address or other function on the Palm, e.g. T, D, A, M, O 
for other?

Thanks for considering these suggestions.  -  Morris Manning

From: mandora@a...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 5:55am
Subject: Desktop Suggestions

Version 2.0 of Shadow is an awesome application, Jeff!! Your hard 
work has paid off for users. I have been using Bonsai and previously 
Thought Manager. I have taken both off my Palm.

I assume that the desktop is in an early stage of development and 
open for relatively major enhancements so here goes for your 
consideration and comment by my user colleagues...

I like the concept of being able to see the details of a list on the 
desktop without having to open a menu or drill-down to the details, 
but I would most definitely give this up to gain "in place" editing 
of text in the List Panel. Editing in the detail panel is not 
intuitive and its means a lot of mouse movement. More importantly, it 
does not allow for "in place" promotion or demotion of items or 
select-and-drag moving of items within an outline - all features that 
are intuitive and necessary when working an outline. In the current 
layout, if I change my mind and want to promote or demote an item or 
move it around in the outline, for example, there is no easy way to 
do this.

As per above comments, I think the List Panel should be dynamic and 
the Details Panel a passive reflector of details. 

I really like the New Item and New Child buttons. Functionality could 
be enhanced if these commands were put on a right-click menu (and/or 
keyboard equivalent) along with other editing commands and possibly 
an undo command in the List View? I would also like to see right 
click access to items in the details Panel. Right-click access to 
editing and details functions would be an efficient and effective way 
to manage lists.

The delete feature with the highlighting seems cumbersome. I would 
also prefer an undo feature and dispensing with the delete 
confirmation dialog box.

I work with about 60+ lists. It would be helpful to have a standard 
maximize button in the upper right corner of the List View. 
Currently, I have to drag the window to the upper left and drag the 
lower right corner down to seem my lists without scrolling.

The ShadP file prefix takes up a lot of space. I assume the prefix is 
needed but could it be shorted to SP and four more character spaces 
freed up for file name?

I usually edit multiple lists on the desktop in a given session. It 
would be helpful to go to the File Selector window from the List View 
rather than the initial screen. This could be a button and/or right 
click option in the List View.

A copy and paste function is needed in the List View. An industrial 
strength feature would be a multiclip copy/move capability so that 
scattered items (with or without children) could be collected and 
pasted singlely or as a group in to one or more locations.

A filter function would be useful.

The menu bar expand-collapse buttons are global - they act on the 
whole list. Sometimes, I would prefer to expand a single item and its 
children within a list. That function could be put on a right click 
menu. That would allow both functionalities to co-exist in an 
intuitive way.

Is it possible to indicate in details if an item has a link to TODO, 
Datebook, Address or other function on the Palm, e.g. T, D, A, M, O 
for other?

Thanks for considering these suggestions.  -  Morris Manning

From: simonr@e...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 11:36am
Subject: Project management question...

I'm just starting to use Shadow and I'd like to know if something is 
possible:

- If I have a project with dependencies, e.g. 'paint the wall' must 
be preceded by 'buy paint' which in turn must be preceded by 'choose 
colour' - is it possible with Shadow to hide all the tasks that are 
preceded by an incomplete task? This would help me see the immediate 
priorities in the forest of actions!

Also, as far as I (in my ignorance) can see, a child is a sub-task of 
its parent (so, all the tasks above would be children of 'redecorate 
the kitchen') ...am I right?

Thanks for any advice or tips - Simon in Dublin

From: samuel_oridium@y...
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 0:30pm
Subject: Launching from within the Palm Desktop

Hi,

Firstly, I just want to say ... GREAT PRODUCT!!!

My question is, is there a way or any plans to make it possible to 
have an icon within the Palm Desktop and be capable of launching the 
Shadow Desktop from within the Palm Desktop?  For example, 
SplashData's SplashWallet has two icons in the icon bar within the 
Palm Desktop.  Not a neccessity but a convenience =)