From: jacques@t...
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 2:47pm
Subject: Re: Re: two ehancements to support PPK

Le 25 Oct 2001, à 21:44, Yaakov Shlafman a écrit:

> First, yuo may use ESC @ to activate "popup lists only rotator" and this
> will save you 3 keystrokes.
> 
> Second, write a script! ...give to the script
> a name consisting of a single accented letter (say, a with ^).  Typing ESC
> followed by that letter from keyboard will invoke the script immediately,

LapTopHack + pedit are awesome. But they weigh over 500k !
Is it worth, unless you need elaborate scripts ?

For menu shortcuts I prefer modify the menu ressource in prc (with 
RscEdit). It takes 5 minutes at each release, but you don't spend more 
bytes (and you don't even have an "escape" to key before with a ppk).

At each Shadow release I create like this five toggle shorcuts in List and 
Go submenus, using the two column digits of FitalyStamp. Of course the 
modified copy is private only. So I don't tout this ;-))


BTW :

What about (when time comes) a companion setup prc for Shadow where 
you could customise as you like shortcuts in menus, buttons in toolbar, 
even text button titles .... )



Jacques Turbé
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From: Yaakov Shlafman  <shlaf@y...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:55am
Subject: Re: Re: two ehancements to support PPK

--- jacques@t... wrote:
> Le 25 Oct 2001, à 21:44, Yaakov Shlafman a écrit:
> 
> LapTopHack + pedit are awesome. But they weigh over 500k !
> Is it worth, unless you need elaborate scripts ?
> 

To me, yes!  First of all, I have been using pedit since its first release and
find it unreplaceable for my needs - it is a mature text editor with myriads of
useful features (no decorations, alas, i.e. no boldface, italic, underline,
superscript etc.).

> For menu shortcuts I prefer modify the menu ressource in prc (with 
> RscEdit). It takes 5 minutes at each release, but you don't spend more 
> bytes (and you don't even have an "escape" to key before with a ppk).
> 
> At each Shadow release I create like this five toggle shorcuts in List and 
> Go submenus, using the two column digits of FitalyStamp. Of course the 
> modified copy is private only. So I don't tout this ;-))
> 

Before LapTopHack, I did the same, but this always made me feel certain
discomfort: 

first, I am reluctant to edit/patch executable code - what you call "just 5
minutes each release" turned into paranoidal nightmare for me :) as I was
alwais afraid that I might accidentally change something else without having
noticed that; 

second, some of applications reside on the CF card on my TRGPro and in order to
edit their menu resources, I had to move the file to RAM, edit it and then move
it back to CF (last time I looked into it, RsrcEdit couldn't directly write to
CF); 

third, with each new release of a product I need edit the .prc file again and
again - even if the menu remains the same between releases - quite boring,
IMHO.

LapTopHack scripting is quite powerful. For example, it lets me define whole
new commands, by combining pushing several buttons and other controls with text
entry and even taps and strokes into single script.  E.g. I have one to fill my
expense report with some predefined entries (including date stamp formatted in
a non-standard manner) - ceveral cells are filled at once.  Another script
takes selected text and launches lookup in the Noah dictionary.  Yet another
launches global Find, enters some specific string for search and hits OK.

> 
> BTW :
> 
> What about (when time comes) a companion setup prc for Shadow where 
> you could customise as you like shortcuts in menus, buttons in toolbar, 
> even text button titles .... )
> 
> 
> 
> Jacques Turbé

Not feasible, I am afraid.  

-- Yaakov.


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From: Keith  <kcollison@k...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 0:04pm
Subject: Bug with 1.5.21

Hello,

I keep getting an error message when I sync, which I believe ShadowPlan is
causing (I received no such error message before installation).

The message is Error: Hotsync.log is not found (something like that).
Clever boy I am, I created a blank text file with that named and placed it
in my directory.  However, the message persists, and I see that my newly
created log file has been deleted.

I sync from two computers, my home computer and work computer.  I don't
believe I had received the message until I started syncing with my work
computer.

Otherwise, kudos for a great program.

best regards,

Keith Collison

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 0:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: two ehancements to support PPK

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 jacques@t... wrote:

> At each Shadow release I create like this five toggle shorcuts in List and 
> Go submenus, using the two column digits of FitalyStamp. Of course the 
> modified copy is private only. So I don't tout this ;-))

	Don't distribute such things, either; I get enough email without
having to support hacked up versions ;) (Besides, it violates your license
;)

> What about (when time comes) a companion setup prc for Shadow where 
> you could customise as you like shortcuts in menus, buttons in toolbar, 
> even text button titles .... )

	Like RscEdit hu? :)

	Customizing menus and buttons and such is a resource edit
function; changing their meaning and operation.. well, thats a lot of work
:)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Keith wrote:

> I sync from two computers, my home computer and work computer.  I don't
> believe I had received the message until I started syncing with my work
> computer.

	Shadow didn't know how to sync with more than one computer until
more recent betas; you should step up to 1.5.28 beta immediately.. when
using betas, you shoudl stay current for your own protection :) (Its
pretty stable, but lots of bug fixes and improvements along the way)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: jacques@t...
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: two ehancements to support PPK

Le 26 Oct 2001, à 8:43, Jeff Mitchell a écrit:

> Don't distribute such things, either; I get enough email without
> having to support hacked up versions ;) 

Surely not ! 

(Besides, it violates your license
> ;)

Big words for a little drop of painting on a door : I don't touch your walls ;-))

> 
> > What about (when time comes) a companion setup prc for Shadow w
> 
>  Like RscEdit hu? :)

Gosh, you guessed ! How did you ?

;-))



Jacques Turbé

From: Randy Willard  <randywillard@h...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: HH crashing while syncing Shadow

About half the time my Palm is crashing while syncing with Shadow. This in 
turn freezes up Hotsync and forces me to start over.
Randy

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:17pm
Subject: Re: HH crashing while syncing Shadow

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Randy Willard wrote:

> About half the time my Palm is crashing while syncing with Shadow. This in 
> turn freezes up Hotsync and forces me to start over.

	Please, keep discussions of the desktop beta out of
shadow-discuss. Those interested in the desktop are in shadow-desktop.

	I'll need to know which version of the beta you are using, see the
lastsync.txt file detailing the sync, etc.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: keho@c...
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 4:45am
Subject: Re: two ehancements to support PPK

>1.6.0 has /O to open a file, as per your request. (1.6.0 is due
> out in a few days)
Thanks much!!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 keho@c... wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for your response.  Actually I am using LapTopHack, and I 
> > agree it has great functionality!  The problem with the menu 
option 
> > to open a list is not that there is no shortcut, rather there is 
no 
> 
> 	1.6.0 has /O to open a file, as per your request. (1.6.0 is 
due
> out in a few days)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: keho@c...
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 4:58am
Subject: Re: two ehancements to support PPK

>First, yuo may use ESC @ to activate "popup lists only rotator"
>and this will save you 3 keystrokes.
Ah, I missed that one.  Thank you.

> Second, write a script!  it will look like...
Another good idea.  I've been toying with the idea of buying pedit to 
do scripting in combo with LTH.  It seems a little daunting, plus 
it's one of those things where I'm uncertain as to how much I'll make 
use of it.  Maybe it's the kind of thing where you find all sorts of 
creative uses for the scripting once you get a handle on it?

Kelly

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Yaakov Shlafman <shlaf@y...> wrote:
> First, yuo may use ESC @ to activate "popup lists only rotator" and 
this will
> save you 3 keystrokes.
> 
> Second, write a script!  it will look like 
{script::\r/xs/xs/xs/xs/xs/xn} and
> do the job quite fast!  TO make things even faster, give to the 
script a name
> consisting of a single accented letter (say, a with ^).  Typing ESC 
followed by
> that letter from keyboard will invoke the script immediately, 
without the
> dialog with prompt for the script name.  (I am afraid, you have to 
register the
> pedit text editor in order to have access to scripting, but believe 
that worth
> it!)
> 
> -- Yaakov.
> 
> --- keho@c... wrote:
> > Thanks for your response.  Actually I am using LapTopHack, and I 
> > agree it has great functionality!  The problem with the menu 
option 
> > to open a list is not that there is no shortcut, rather there is 
no 
> > menu item to do this.  Also, regarding the ability to activate 
the 
> > Target Date selector using LapTopHack, if I use the Control 
Rotator 
> > it's still five (I think) arrow keystrokes to get to the Target 
Date 
> > list once I've activated the rotator with the LTH ESC key.  It 
would 
> > be much quicker and easier to do this via a single keystroke 
> > combination with a menu shortcut.  Alternatively, the pPointer is 
> > easier than the control rotator to activate the Target Date list, 
but 
> > depending on where it pops up, it's still potentially multiple 
> > keystrokes to position it on the control to be activated.  Again, 
> > would be much quicker/easier with a menu option and shortcut 
> > keystroke.
> >

From: sjpanther01@h...
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

Jeff:

I do not see this posted on your website.  Where can I find 1.5.28?

Norm

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Keith wrote:
> 
> > I sync from two computers, my home computer and work computer.  I 
don't
> > believe I had received the message until I started syncing with 
my work
> > computer.
> 
> 	Shadow didn't know how to sync with more than one computer 
until
> more recent betas; you should step up to 1.5.28 beta immediately.. 
when
> using betas, you shoudl stay current for your own protection :) (Its
> pretty stable, but lots of bug fixes and improvements along the way)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 sjpanther01@h... wrote:

> I do not see this posted on your website.  Where can I find 1.5.28?

	It is a beta and not publicly released. Keep your eyes peeled for
Shadow 2.0 on Wednesday :)

		jeff

> 
> Norm
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Keith wrote:
> > 
> > > I sync from two computers, my home computer and work computer.  I 
> don't
> > > believe I had received the message until I started syncing with 
> my work
> > > computer.
> > 
> > 	Shadow didn't know how to sync with more than one computer 
> until
> > more recent betas; you should step up to 1.5.28 beta immediately.. 
> when
> > using betas, you shoudl stay current for your own protection :) (Its
> > pretty stable, but lots of bug fixes and improvements along the way)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: grumpstone@y...
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:25pm
Subject: 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?

I recently upgraded from 1.5.14 (or somesuch).  I really liked and 
used the graphical "zoom" option.

It's not there in 1.5.28.

Is this intentional?  Count me as one who wants it back!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:53pm
Subject: Re: 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:

> I recently upgraded from 1.5.14 (or somesuch).  I really liked and 
> used the graphical "zoom" option.
> 
> It's not there in 1.5.28.

	It is there. You probably forgot to have an item selected when
tapping the [V] button?

> Is this intentional?  Count me as one who wants it back!

	It definitely never left!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: RE: 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?

Zoom... something old that is new to me.... will have to play with it....
Love this thing - it's just like my own shadow :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:53 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?


On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:

> I recently upgraded from 1.5.14 (or somesuch).  I really liked and
> used the graphical "zoom" option.
>
> It's not there in 1.5.28.

	It is there. You probably forgot to have an item selected when
tapping the [V] button?

> Is this intentional?  Count me as one who wants it back!

	It definitely never left!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
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sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:57pm
Subject: RE: 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Gary Paulson wrote:

> Zoom... something old that is new to me.... will have to play with it....
> Love this thing - it's just like my own shadow :)

	Zoom has a tonne of uses. If you like deeply nested lists, then
Zoom is invaluable. I like to keep all or most items collapsed, so as to
make travel up and down easier and to keep clutter out of view :) But zoom
also has a useful side-effect -- many operations will only operate on
potentially *visible* list. So if you are zoomed a few levels deep and
perform some operations, they will onyl effect all the items in the
zoomedlist and not the true whole list. Can be very handy...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Psalm  <psplond@b...>
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:06pm
Subject: How to use Custom list type?

Hi, I am new to this group, but I have been using Shadow plan for a few
months now. I wonder if someone could tell me how the custom list type
works? I do not see any way to customize it after choosing this type.

Thanks!

Psalm

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:21pm
Subject: Re: How to use Custom list type?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Psalm wrote:

> Hi, I am new to this group, but I have been using Shadow plan for a few
> months now. I wonder if someone could tell me how the custom list type
> works? I do not see any way to customize it after choosing this type.

	After you set the list type to "Custom", a "Custom" button will
appear at the bottom of the screen. Tapping that lets you set which
options you wish for the list display. Additionally, you can change items
from the lists view to their own view in the Details window by tapping in
the Detail's top right. See the Ref Guide manual for details.

	To set a list to custom, just pull up List Preferences (from the
List menu inside of a list, or when you hit New List) and change the file
view type from Checklist (the default, or whatever the list is now) to
Custom.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: grumpstone@y...
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:42am
Subject: Re: 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?

Quoting from the lexicon of Homer Simpson: D'oh.

Nothing can be made foolproof because fools are so ingenious....




--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 grumpstone@y... wrote:
> 
> > I recently upgraded from 1.5.14 (or somesuch).  I really liked 
and 
> > used the graphical "zoom" option.
> > 
> > It's not there in 1.5.28.
> 
> 	It is there. You probably forgot to have an item selected when
> tapping the [V] button?
> 
> > Is this intentional?  Count me as one who wants it back!
> 
> 	It definitely never left!
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Schnitzler Marc  <Marc.Schnitzler@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 0:50pm
Subject: RE: Syncing more than one file

Hi Jeff,

I am using shadow heavily and somehow i do need the ability to access those
xml files... i would gladly register the beta, because it does all i need
:-) (It's a pain constantly switching the sync flag on and off as the beta
only syncs one file :-) )

thx
Marc

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:43pm
Subject: RE: Syncing more than one file

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Schnitzler Marc wrote:

> I am using shadow heavily and somehow i do need the ability to access those
> xml files... i would gladly register the beta, because it does all i need
> :-) (It's a pain constantly switching the sync flag on and off as the beta
> only syncs one file :-) )

	The latest betas will work until Halloween, actually ;) (And
Shadow 2.0 is launching on Halloween. A bizarre twist of fate, that
hopefully doesn't make for a bad omen :)

	In theory, the purchase-desktop-expansion-only page should go up
tomorrow night or Wednesday morning.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Psalm  <psplond@b...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:50pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 271

Thanks! This is exactly what I needed!!! I was trying to do it from an
individual item's detail screen and nothing was happening.

Do I understand correctly that there is a new version 2.0 coming out
Wednesday? If so, is there somewhere I can go that lists the new
features?

Thanks again!

Psalm

-----Original Message-----
From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:25 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Digest Number 271

Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:06:41 -0600
   From: "Psalm" <psplond@b...>
Subject: How to use Custom list type?

Hi, I am new to this group, but I have been using Shadow plan for a few
months now. I wonder if someone could tell me how the custom list type
works? I do not see any way to customize it after choosing this type.

Thanks!

Psalm

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 6
   Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:21:43 -0500 (EST)
   From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
Subject: Re: How to use Custom list type?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Psalm wrote:

> Hi, I am new to this group, but I have been using Shadow plan for a 
> few months now. I wonder if someone could tell me how the custom list 
> type works? I do not see any way to customize it after choosing this 
> type.

	After you set the list type to "Custom", a "Custom" button will
appear at the bottom of the screen. Tapping that lets you set which
options you wish for the list display. Additionally, you can change
items from the lists view to their own view in the Details window by
tapping in the Detail's top right. See the Ref Guide manual for details.

	To set a list to custom, just pull up List Preferences (from the
List menu inside of a list, or when you hit New List) and change the
file view type from Checklist (the default, or whatever the list is now)
to Custom.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:57pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 271

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Psalm wrote:

> Do I understand correctly that there is a new version 2.0 coming out
> Wednesday? If so, is there somewhere I can go that lists the new
> features?

	Not yet (which is to say there is, but I can't get to the file
right now to paste it for you ;). Lots of things since 1.5.0, but 1.5.14
is publicly available. Since 1.5.14 there is a onscreen mini editor,
graphical button bar, file operations menu on the file selection screen
(so changing categories is easier among other things), various bug fixes,
and the desktop application..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 4:29pm
Subject: Auto Numbering...

Playing with auto-numbering below level 3 and noticed something.  When I
create a level 4 item it of course has no preference set for auto-numbering.
I go in to the preferences for that item and change it to bullet.  Then I
create a sibling, but for some reason it does not inherit the
auto-numbering.  Seems like it should pass to siblings at least under the
same parent?  Now, if I create a bunch of siblings and change one of them
all the existing siblings inherit the auto-numbering scheme - but not any
that I create after this operation.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:57 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?


On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Gary Paulson wrote:

> Zoom... something old that is new to me.... will have to play with it....
> Love this thing - it's just like my own shadow :)

	Zoom has a tonne of uses. If you like deeply nested lists, then
Zoom is invaluable. I like to keep all or most items collapsed, so as to
make travel up and down easier and to keep clutter out of view :) But zoom
also has a useful side-effect -- many operations will only operate on
potentially *visible* list. So if you are zoomed a few levels deep and
perform some operations, they will onyl effect all the items in the
zoomedlist and not the true whole list. Can be very handy...

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:07pm
Subject: Re: Auto Numbering...

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Gary Paulson wrote:

> Playing with auto-numbering below level 3 and noticed something.  When I
> create a level 4 item it of course has no preference set for auto-numbering.
> I go in to the preferences for that item and change it to bullet.  Then I
> create a sibling, but for some reason it does not inherit the
> auto-numbering.  Seems like it should pass to siblings at least under the
> same parent?  Now, if I create a bunch of siblings and change one of them
> all the existing siblings inherit the auto-numbering scheme - but not any
> that I create after this operation.

	New items should inherit their siblings autonumbering, unless its
broken..

	Just checked and it works for me.

		jeff

> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?
> 
> 
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Gary Paulson wrote:
> 
> > Zoom... something old that is new to me.... will have to play with it....
> > Love this thing - it's just like my own shadow :)
> 
> 	Zoom has a tonne of uses. If you like deeply nested lists, then
> Zoom is invaluable. I like to keep all or most items collapsed, so as to
> make travel up and down easier and to keep clutter out of view :) But zoom
> also has a useful side-effect -- many operations will only operate on
> potentially *visible* list. So if you are zoomed a few levels deep and
> perform some operations, they will onyl effect all the items in the
> zoomedlist and not the true whole list. Can be very handy...
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
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> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:26pm
Subject: RE: Auto Numbering...

Just checked mine again.  At level 4+ if I create a sibling it will be
unnumbered, no matter what the other siblings have set as theirs - ah just
figured it out - it is the mini-editor.

I went into the regular detail screen and sibliings are auto numbered.

If I turn off the mini-editor they get numbered as they are created.

Here is the kicker:
If I toggle the mini-editor default on/off the siblings I am working on will
loose their numbering. Does not matter if it is set on or off - toggling the
other way looses the setting.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:07 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Auto Numbering...


On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Gary Paulson wrote:

> Playing with auto-numbering below level 3 and noticed something.  When I
> create a level 4 item it of course has no preference set for
auto-numbering.
> I go in to the preferences for that item and change it to bullet.  Then I
> create a sibling, but for some reason it does not inherit the
> auto-numbering.  Seems like it should pass to siblings at least under the
> same parent?  Now, if I create a bunch of siblings and change one of them
> all the existing siblings inherit the auto-numbering scheme - but not any
> that I create after this operation.

	New items should inherit their siblings autonumbering, unless its
broken..

	Just checked and it works for me.

		jeff

>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] 1.5.28 -- What happened to Zoom?
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Gary Paulson wrote:
>
> > Zoom... something old that is new to me.... will have to play with
it....
> > Love this thing - it's just like my own shadow :)
>
> 	Zoom has a tonne of uses. If you like deeply nested lists, then
> Zoom is invaluable. I like to keep all or most items collapsed, so as to
> make travel up and down easier and to keep clutter out of view :) But zoom
> also has a useful side-effect -- many operations will only operate on
> potentially *visible* list. So if you are zoomed a few levels deep and
> perform some operations, they will onyl effect all the items in the
> zoomedlist and not the true whole list. Can be very handy...
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
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From: Alan  <as0900@h...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:39pm
Subject: Shadow vs Life Balance

I'm evaluating both Life Balance and Shadow at this time and I'm 
wondering if anyone has abandonned Life Balance in favour of Shadow.

If so, why?  Just curious.

From: egtd@s...
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

I have anbandoned Life Balance in favour of another outliner. On 
short time basis. Main reasons:
- desktop companion software still in progress
- possibility to have only one file or outline or whatever it is 
called
- Life Balance has for my taste little of "features", however that 
might be intentional as well (=possibility to modify it to my needs)

Tomas

on Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:39:35 -0000, Alan wrote:
I'm evaluating both Life Balance and Shadow at this time and I'm
wondering if anyone has abandonned Life Balance in favour of Shadow.

If so, why?  Just curious.

From: maclover88  <maclover88@m...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:12pm
Subject: sending info within Shadow?

I am wondering if there is an easy way to send text or outlines from one
file to another file within Shadow? I find copy (or cut), close, open and
paste to be very time consuming.

Thanks,
Jim

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: Re: sending info within Shadow?

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, maclover88 wrote:

> I am wondering if there is an easy way to send text or outlines from one
> file to another file within Shadow? I find copy (or cut), close, open and
> paste to be very time consuming.

	There *will* be a "send to..." option to send the clipboard to
another file without opening it. For now, its usually best to use the
multi-clip operations. (ie: [V] menu to turn clip to "set hold many", so
its now in C+ mode, and then use cut/cut/cut/cut to build a few items into
the clip and then use the recent-files popup to switch lists, and do a
Move. Then use the recent files ot return to where you were, and then
cut/cut/cut some more :)

		jeff

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circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:41pm
Subject: XML Display

I'm curious if anyone has been developing style
sheets to display the XML file on the web? I'd
love to see some examples so I'm not reinventing
the wheel.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:23pm
Subject: Re: XML Display

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Learned wrote:

> I'm curious if anyone has been developing style
> sheets to display the XML file on the web? I'd
> love to see some examples so I'm not reinventing
> the wheel.

	A couple of people did it with the older style XML. Should be in
the shadow-desktop archives.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:34pm
Subject: Re: XML Display

Older? You mean you changed it when I wasn't looking?
<g>


Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Learned wrote:
> 
> > I'm curious if anyone has been developing style
> > sheets to display the XML file on the web? I'd
> > love to see some examples so I'm not reinventing
> > the wheel.
> 
> 	A couple of people did it with the older style XML. Should be in
> the shadow-desktop archives.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:40pm
Subject: Re: XML Display

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Learned wrote:

> Older? You mean you changed it when I wasn't looking?
> <g>

	heh. The newer XML is certainly derived from the older stuff.. I
think you can still load the original XML lists into the new desktop. But
I added piles of neat sutff of course :)

> 
> 
> Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Learned wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm curious if anyone has been developing style
> > > sheets to display the XML file on the web? I'd
> > > love to see some examples so I'm not reinventing
> > > the wheel.
> > 
> > 	A couple of people did it with the older style XML. Should be in
> > the shadow-desktop archives.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
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-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:12pm
Subject: RE: Shadow vs Life Balance

I dumped LIfeBalance for Bonsai, and recently dumped Bonsai for Shadow.  I
needed progres sindicators and more concrete planning options instead of the
"fuzzy logic" of LB.  Loved LB while I used it, but when I started managing
a writing team and my own web site I needed more project management
features.


Jen

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan [mailto:as0900@h...]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:40 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow vs Life Balance


I'm evaluating both Life Balance and Shadow at this time and I'm
wondering if anyone has abandonned Life Balance in favour of Shadow.

If so, why?  Just curious.


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From: pradley@r...
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

Forgive me for bugging someone as productively busy as you, but I 
find I just have to know when I can hope to get a desktop that 
works correctly in Windows. Thanks for interrupting what you're 
doing to let me know. PDR--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell 
<support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 sjpanther01@h... wrote:
> 
> > I do not see this posted on your website.  Where can I find 
1.5.28?
> 
> 	It is a beta and not publicly released. Keep your eyes peeled 
for
> Shadow 2.0 on Wednesday :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > Norm
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Keith wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I sync from two computers, my home computer and work computer. 
 I 
> > don't
> > > > believe I had received the message until I started syncing 
with 
> > my work
> > > > computer.
> > > 
> > > 	Shadow didn't know how to sync with more than one computer 
> > until
> > > more recent betas; you should step up to 1.5.28 beta 
immediately.. 
> > when
> > > using betas, you shoudl stay current for your own protection :) 
(Its
> > > pretty stable, but lots of bug fixes and improvements along the 
way)
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he 
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

Wednesday.  That's when the beta I have will be released, and I haven't had
any problems at all with the desktop.


Jen

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-----Original Message-----
From: pradley@r... [mailto:pradley@r...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:53 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Bug with 1.5.21


Forgive me for bugging someone as productively busy as you, but I
find I just have to know when I can hope to get a desktop that
works correctly in Windows. Thanks for interrupting what you're
doing to let me know. PDR--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell
<support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 sjpanther01@h... wrote:
>
> > I do not see this posted on your website.  Where can I find
1.5.28?
>
> 	It is a beta and not publicly released. Keep your eyes peeled
for
> Shadow 2.0 on Wednesday :)
>
> 		jeff
>
> >
> > Norm
> >
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Keith wrote:
> > >
> > > > I sync from two computers, my home computer and work computer.
 I
> > don't
> > > > believe I had received the message until I started syncing
with
> > my work
> > > > computer.
> > >
> > > 	Shadow didn't know how to sync with more than one computer
> > until
> > > more recent betas; you should step up to 1.5.28 beta
immediately..
> > when
> > > using betas, you shoudl stay current for your own protection :)
(Its
> > > pretty stable, but lots of bug fixes and improvements along the
way)
> > >
> > > 		jeff
> > >
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate
he
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> >
> >
> >
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> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 pradley@r... wrote:

> Forgive me for bugging someone as productively busy as you, but I 
> find I just have to know when I can hope to get a desktop that 
> works correctly in Windows. Thanks for interrupting what you're 
> doing to let me know.

	Shadow Plan 2.0 and Desktop 1.0 are going out..

	TOMORROW! :)

	Stay tuned..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: pg@d...
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:51pm
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Alan" <as0900@h...> wrote:
> I'm evaluating both Life Balance and Shadow at this time and I'm 
> wondering if anyone has abandonned Life Balance in favour of Shadow.
> 
> If so, why?  Just curious.

Yeah, I used LB for quite a while. I'll first say that it is a very 
nice app, with some lovely features.

The fuzzy-logic thing is quite funky for a lot of jobs e.g. laundry, 
phoning friends, chilling out. However, there are many jobs where you 
just do not want the software to try to do something clever with the 
task. It *has* to be up at the top of the list.

There are ways of changing how important a task is, but too often I 
had to play with the due date (or some other trick) in order to 
kludge the priority.

The other major problem I had is that it does not have a 1-day 
granularity. Most jobs I have need to be done on a particular day. 
There's no advantage to being able to resolve it finer than that. (If 
the time is so important, I'd set an alarm.) In LB, you had to set 
the due time as well; and the default was not midnight, it was 
whatever the time happened to be when you created the task. So if you 
wanted to create a task for tomorrow, you'd have to reset the time to 
00:00 in order to see it first thing tomorrow, and you can't just 
enter the numbers; you have to repeatedly tap the arrows to do it.

Also, the lead-time thing can be annoying. If I have a task with a 1 
day lead time and a 1 day repeat, then when I check it off it 
immediately re-appears in the list! The only way I could fix this was 
to set all daily repeating tasks with a 6 hour lead-time so that 
they'd only show up 12 hours later, but that's not quite right either.

I've switched to Shadow because it gives me all of the good parts of 
LB (good hierarchy editor for breaking down tasks) with nice sensible 
defaults. Although it doesn't handle everything the way I want it, 
the integration with the built-in ToDo is so good that I can stick 
with ToDo for my actual work; I only need to go back to Shadow when 
re-planning. ToDo is nice, clean and simple; it doesn't pretend to do 
anything clever, but it works.

Regards, pg

From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: RE: Bug with 1.5.21

Of course it also probably depends on what you mean by 'works correctly'.
From what Jeff says it will be a bit before all the palm features are
integrated into the desktop.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 pradley@r... wrote:

> Forgive me for bugging someone as productively busy as you, but I
> find I just have to know when I can hope to get a desktop that
> works correctly in Windows. Thanks for interrupting what you're
> doing to let me know.

From: pradley@r...
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

FYI, I had brought this up in an earlier post, of which I think you 
probably were not aware. The desktop was not working at all in 
Windows, and Jeff pointed out this had something to do with a problem 
in Windows. PDR--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Gary Paulson" 
<gpaulson@o...> wrote:
> Of course it also probably depends on what you mean by 'works 
correctly'.
> From what Jeff says it will be a bit before all the palm features 
are
> integrated into the desktop.
> 
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 pradley@r... wrote:
> 
> > Forgive me for bugging someone as productively busy as you, but I
> > find I just have to know when I can hope to get a desktop that
> > works correctly in Windows. Thanks for interrupting what you're
> > doing to let me know.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bug with 1.5.21

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 pradley@r... wrote:

> FYI, I had brought this up in an earlier post, of which I think you 
> probably were not aware. The desktop was not working at all in 
> Windows, and Jeff pointed out this had something to do with a problem 
> in Windows.

	The desktop works perfectly in Windows. In fact, it only works in
Windows as the Unix and Mac versions havent' been released at all :) A few
weeks ago there was a problem that on some Win 95 versions it had trouble
and is a bug in that particular version of Win95 with a certain version of
Active Desktop on it, I think, At any rate, that problem has long since
been removed.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: peter.grierson@s...
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:43am
Subject: Handheld Computing Buyer's Guide, Input Request

From HandHeld Computing's newsletter

"...we're putting together the next issue of Handheld Computing 
Buyer's Guide, and I'd love to know which applications you've found 
the most useful or most entertaining, and why. Drop us a line at 
letters@h... and let us know what your favorite applications, 
utilities, games, and ebooks are, and what makes them special."

A chance to speak up for your favorite apps

Peter R.

"All Accounting is creative."

From: Alan  <as0900@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:12am
Subject: Re: Shadow vs Life Balance

Thanks to all of you for your responses.

I've found that I like Life Balance's structure but I agree that 
it's difficult to move tasks around the priority scale, because Life 
Balance attempts to do that for you, and I spend far too much time 
tweaking the thing to get it to do what I want it to do. 

Still, it's good software.

From: PocketGoddess  <jen@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:07pm
Subject: 2.0!!

It's here!!  I just downloaded 2.0 from the site and can't wait to try
everything out.


Jen

---------------
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http://www.pocketgoddess.com
98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: chalasz@y...
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 3:27pm
Subject: Re: 2.0!!

Graphical Button Bar is way cool.

"PocketGoddess" <jen@p...> wrote:
> It's here!!  I just downloaded 2.0 from the site and can't wait to 
try
> everything out.
> 
> 
> Jen
> 
> ---------------
> PocketGoddess
> http://www.pocketgoddess.com
> 98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!

From: Raul Bianchi Lastra (IITREE-LAT)  <rbianchi@i...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:00pm
Subject: How to buy?

Dear Jeff:

Shadow desktop? Great! I want it!
I'm a registered user, how can I buy it?. I can't see any link in pilotgear to buy the application.

Thanks in advance

Raul Bianchi Lastra
Argentina

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 4:58pm
Subject: Re: 2.0!!

I could say something about jumping at shadows <sic>, but
I'll bite my tounge.

Quoting PocketGoddess (jen@p...):
> It's here!!  I just downloaded 2.0 from the site and can't wait to try
> everything out.
> 
> 
> Jen
> 
> ---------------
> PocketGoddess
> http://www.pocketgoddess.com
> 98% Palm OS, 100% Fun!
> 
> 
> 
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From: Alan  <as0900@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:12pm
Subject: Re: 2.0!!

Well - that's all it took for to purchase.  I just registered at 
Handago and I await my registration number!

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "PocketGoddess" <jen@p...> wrote:
> It's here!!  I just downloaded 2.0 from the site and can't wait to 
try
> everything out.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:13pm
Subject: Re: How to buy?

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Raul Bianchi Lastra (IITREE-LAT) wrote:

> Shadow desktop? Great! I want it! I'm a registered user, how can I buy
> it?. I can't see any link in pilotgear to buy the application.

	The page was missing the "buy button", but its there now. Took PG
a couple hours to get it up :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Paolo Mangiafico  <paolo@m...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:42pm
Subject: Table of Contents list

In the past few weeks several people on this list have mentioned
creating TOC lists in ShadowPlan. Can someone explain what you mean by
this and how it works?

Thanks...

-- Paolo

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: Shadow Plan 2.0 :)

OKay, everyone already knows its out so my wind is taken ;) I've
not officially announced it yet due to the purchase oddities on Palm
Gear.

        Head on up to http://www.codejedi.com to grab Shadow Plan 2.0
(includes the demo of Shadow Desktop 1.0) while its hot. I'm sure Palm
Gear will get straightened up soon.

                jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Table of Contents list

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Paolo Mangiafico wrote:

> In the past few weeks several people on this list have mentioned
> creating TOC lists in ShadowPlan. Can someone explain what you mean by
> this and how it works?

	A Shadow item can link to a Shadow file (as well as todo,
datebook, addresses, memos, etc). So you can create a list where the items
are links to other Shadow lists. Thus you can create a list organized the
way you want it, hierarchically, and use sorts and filters and all the
usual stuff.. and use it to be a list file launcher.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:10pm
Subject: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

I think they just got everything all fixed.

	Take a look...

	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.

	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
earlier is better for you :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Ken Scott  <kscott-list@p...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:13pm
Subject: Re: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> 
> 	I think they just got everything all fixed.
> 
> 	Take a look...
> 
> 	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
> left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
> Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.
> 
> 	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
> be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
> earlier is better for you :)
> 

Will there be a similar price break when the Mac version is ready, or
should I buy now, in preparation for the Mac version?

Ken
-- 
><>   Ken Scott   kscott@p...   http://www.pcisys.net/~kscott   
                                                                      
              This is the day that the Lord has made;             
              I will rejoice and be glad in it!          -- Psalm 118:24

From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

I just bought the desktop only for $7.00, so I hope it's 
working.

Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> 
> 	I think they just got everything all fixed.
> 
> 	Take a look...
> 
> 	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
> left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
> Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.
> 
> 	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
> be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
> earlier is better for you :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:42pm
Subject: RE: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

I must be blind....  I can only find for the 12.99 & 19.99 products on Palm
Gear.

I even clicked your name for all the products and got 3 things but none of
them the right price:

http://www.palmgear.com/software/answer.cfm?sid=59112920010329201212&userIDs
el=985632544&searchtitle=Applications%20by%20Jeff%20Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:10 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Palm Gear's purchasing pages



	I think they just got everything all fixed.

	Take a look...

	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.

	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
earlier is better for you :)

		jeff

--
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From: Learned  <learned@v...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:47pm
Subject: Re: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

I chose the upgrade off the codejedi site, selected buy,
then had to scroll WAAAAY to the bottom of the page.

Quoting Gary Paulson (gpaulson@o...):
> I must be blind....  I can only find for the 12.99 & 19.99 products on Palm
> Gear.
> 
> I even clicked your name for all the products and got 3 things but none of
> them the right price:
> 
> http://www.palmgear.com/software/answer.cfm?sid=59112920010329201212&userIDs
> el=985632544&searchtitle=Applications%20by%20Jeff%20Mitchell
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:10 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Palm Gear's purchasing pages
> 
> 
> 
> 	I think they just got everything all fixed.
> 
> 	Take a look...
> 
> 	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
> left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
> Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.
> 
> 	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
> be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
> earlier is better for you :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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From: Gary Paulson  <gpaulson@o...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:44pm
Subject: RE: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

Finally found it.  They have it priced as 12.99 on the summary page I just
sent but do have it for $7.00 on the detail page:

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=59112920010329201212&p
rodID=33581

for anyone else as dense as me :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:10 PM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Palm Gear's purchasing pages



	I think they just got everything all fixed.

	Take a look...

	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.

	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
earlier is better for you :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
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From: shlaf@y...
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 0:23am
Subject: Three small requests for MiniEditor

1.  It would be good to add the standard Edit menu to the editable 
field in the MiniEditor window - so that Command-S, Command-C,  
Command-P etc would work (Currently they would ignore the Command 
graffiti stroke and enter the corresponding letter - S, C or P.)

2.  Command bar works now, i.e. it shows standard icons - Paste, if 
clipboard is not empty, Cut and Copy - if something is highlighted in 
the text field), but when the operation is done, there are residues 
on the screen (I believe due to missynchronisation between the redraw 
made by the editing commands and the cleanup made after command bar 
being shut).  

For example, I enter the text long enough to fill both lines.  Double-
tap a word on the second line.  Make the Command stroke and select 
the Scissors icon (for cut operation) - oops! when the Command bar is 
closed, the cut word is displayed back and it's highlighted!  but 
that's a phantom - the actual field's contents has changed.

3.  It would be nice to be able to control the position of the 
miniEditor window by tapping outside it - that is, when it is at the 
bottom of the screen, tappind above it would make it jump to the top 
thus exposing the hidden last item or two of the original list.  
Similarly, it would jump to the bottom when tapping below it when it 
is in the upper position.

Regards and thanks for the nice job done on 2.0!
 Yaakov.

From: Tom Moughan  <tommoughan@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 2:38am
Subject: Desktop limited to <the oldest> one til it's registered + ABEND

Jeff!

Thanks for the Desktop, just paid on PalmGear for my registration for 
the Expansion version.  I was all set to play with my one of my 
existing Shadow plans on the handheld whilst waiting for the 
registration

Two problems:

1. I checked SYNC on my favorite project, hotsync'd and got nothing 
on the desktop(!).  

Tried a few times, read the synclog, played a bit and finally figured 
out that the only one you can sync within the "limit of one" is the 
earliest project on the handheld..  
Thought I'd post that "feature" for others trying...

2. The XML file showed up, and I opened the file.  I don't THINK I 
changed anything, and then clicked on the Desktop window to close the 
primary window (not the popup where my favorite project was), and I 
got a (!) Popup: 

 Shadow has caused as error in SHADOW.EXE
 Shadow will now close

>> Tom

From: Marcia  <creink@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:02am
Subject: RE: Palm Gear's purchasing pages

I keep getting a *problem with this request* on palmgear

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Paulson [mailto:gpaulson@o...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:44 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Palm Gear's purchasing pages
>
>
> Finally found it.  They have it priced as 12.99 on the summary page I just
> sent but do have it for $7.00 on the detail page:
>
> http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=591129200103
> 29201212&p
> rodID=33581
>
> for anyone else as dense as me :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:10 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shadow-discuss] Palm Gear's purchasing pages
>
>
>
> 	I think they just got everything all fixed.
>
> 	Take a look...
>
> 	It should be Shadow Plan (Handheld Only) for $12.99US on the top
> left, Shadow Plan and Desktop $19.99US on the top right, and the Desktop
> Expansion $7.00 on the bottom.
>
> 	The Desktop Expansion (for registered Shadow Planners only) will
> be going to $9.99US in 10 days, so if you want to buy the expansion,
> earlier is better for you :)
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
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From: Tom Moughan  <tommoughan@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:32am
Subject: Re: ABEND.. understood, BUT can't load a revised XML on Palm

> 2. The XML file showed up, and I opened the file.  I don't THINK I 
> changed anything, and then clicked on the Desktop window to close 
the 
> primary window (not the popup where my favorite project was), and I 
> got a (!) Popup: 
> 
>  Shadow has caused as error in SHADOW.EXE
>  Shadow will now close

If you close the windows, with the primary window LAST, then you get 
no error.  The XML file seems to reload to the desktop ok.. nothing 
lost..

NEXT PROBLEM:

So I added new items and new children to these items, and saved the 
XML.  Even added some items and children that I marked to delete.  I 
then close the XML, and went to the PRIMARY screen, and marked this 
XML to Load to the Handheld, Sync'd... when I tried to OPEN the 
revised file on the Palm, I got the message:

    BAD LOAD!
The list could not be loaded!

The information message was cool: 
"For some reason, the file could not be opened".  

OK, knew that...

I loaded up the XML on the desktop and noticed it had a "last" item 
that had no text. I added some text and saved and loaded the XML 
again.  Same BAD LOAD! message...

Jeff: Are there special characters that I should stay away from in 
the text or Memo sections of the desktop that would "polute" the XML 
format??  or what should I look for?

Thanks!

From: Tom Moughan  <tommoughan@y...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:17am
Subject: Re: can't load a revised XML, "no Header" re-saved, still NG (Help!)

> NEXT PROBLEM:
> 
> So I added new items and new children to these items, and saved the 
> XML.  Even added some items and children that I marked to delete.  
I 
> then close the XML, and went to the PRIMARY screen, and marked this 
> XML to Load to the Handheld, Sync'd... when I tried to OPEN the 
> revised file on the Palm, I got the message:
> 
>     BAD LOAD!
> The list could not be loaded!
> 
> I loaded up the XML on the desktop and noticed it had a "last" item 
> that had no text. I added some text and saved and loaded the XML 
> again.  Same BAD LOAD! message...
> 
> Jeff: Are there special characters that I should stay away from in 
> the text or Memo sections of the desktop that would "polute" the 
XML 
> format??  or what should I look for?


SO, now I found the sync log file, and it says:
# ShadP-U34: FAST sync database.
#   Handheld DB has 38 records
#   ERROR: List doesn't appear to have a header! Resave!
#   SKIPPING: Sync request flag not set. (38 recs)

I reloaded the XML in the desktop, and re-saved it without making any 
changes, then marked it to reload, then sync'd again... same BAD LOAD 
message.  

What does SKIPPING line mean?  There's no sync request flag on the 
desktop that I could find.  Can't open the Palm file... Should I 
delete this project file on the Palm?  I made backup copies of the 
sync logs and the first desktop XML revised files.  

Let me know.  I'm doing this at home, so I hope to be able to recover 
my original un-desktop-revised project file at work tommorrow...

>> Tom

From: Alan  <as0900@h...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 10:26am
Subject: 2.0 Desktop Questions / Problems ???

1) How do I move items around on the desktop version?

2) The Desktop version doesn't seem to support cut and paste Windows 
functions?  Is that true or am I doing something wrong? (I coulnd't 
see any easy way to move items around, so I figured -- OK, I'll 
create a new item and paste in the old item info -- can't seem to do 
that.)

3) There doesn't seem to be any way of changing list types 
(tasklist, flat, etc).

It looks like this is just an alternate method of entering data in 
Shadow, and maybe useful for printing, but not an alternate way of 
working in Shadow.  Is that the case?  Say it ain't so.

From: Alan  <as0900@h...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 10:35am
Subject: Re: 2.0 Desktop Questions / Problems ???

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Alan" <as0900@h...> wrote:

> 1) How do I move items around on the desktop version?

OK - I just read the guide to the desktop and see that you can't do 
this yet, but you will be able to shortly.  How shortly?

> 2) The Desktop version doesn't seem to support cu