From: Michael Bryan  <moid@e...>
Date: Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:39pm
Subject: RE: Categories rearranging themselves

Jeff,

I found another way to reproduce this problem without ever leaving Shadow.

From the main ShadowPlan screen, set "Category A"
1. Click on the "Recent" button
2. Open a list that's in "Category B"
3. Drop the category list down and see that "Category A" is highlighted
4. Modify something and save the list
5. The modified list is now in "Category A"

This problem is beginning to make organizing my lists by category a
full-time job. :)

I'm getting in the habit of checking the category as soon as I open any list
so I can change it back to the correct category before doing anything else
with it (at step #3 above). I use Linker and Global Find a lot so this has
become a constant problem for me.

-mike


->       I know exactly where this problem is.. hopefully I can get a
-> chance to do some development and fix it soon..
->
->             jeff

-> On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 opitz@s... wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I just tried this with 1.5.12, and I'm still getting files AWOL
> from their categories this way.
>
> As for Joe's suggestion, I haven't yet seen someone post a concrete
> example of this problem without Linker, so here's one:
>
> Open a Shadow file, say in the Business category. Now do a global find
> for something you know is in a file in another Shadow category, say
> Unfiled, and tap to jump to it. If you look at the List Preferences,
> you'll see that the category of the file is now changed to Business.
>
> Here's the catch: Shadow seems to have no idea this has happened. So
> if you just close the file without making any changes, it remains in
> the old (Unfiled) category. If you make any change so that Shadow must
> save it, it goes into the changed (Business) category.
>
> I can also get this to happen with Intelligent Find, which uses its
> own search engine (not Palm's). The common thread in the problem seems
> to be: 1) Shadow has a file open, 2) Some OTHER application jumps to a
> record in a file in a different category, 3) You make a change to the
> different file (else the category reverts to the correct one).
>
> Bob
>
>

From: rayae@y...
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 0:07am
Subject: Re: Details View

The version I am using is 1.5.12. See comment below.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> From:  Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Date:  Wed Jul 18, 2001  1:55 pm
> Subject:  Re: [shadow-discuss] Details View
> 
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 rayae@y... wrote:
> 
> > I recently was using Shadowplan to take notes in a meeting and 
> > thought a few minor additions to the 'Details' View of an outline 
> > item would make note taking easier:
> 
> You mean the list view mode (in my terms)? The "detail view" is
> after you hit the Details button and are inspecting a single
> item. I(below I thoguht youmeant list view, but realize you 
> really did mean detail view after)
> 
> > command: A (add/edit note) 
> > (I know this one is a button, but I find command shortcuts easier 
> > when I am trying to do grafitti.)
> 
> Already present; be sure to use 1.5.6 or 1.5.12, though I think
> this shortcut was in earlier versions too?
> 
> > command: H (new child)
> > command: N (new item)
> 
> 	These have always been present.
> 
> I must assume you mean for these to work inside of the Detail
> window then .. you wish to be able to keep adding to a list, 
> even though you're in the details window of an item?
> 

Yes, I found that when taking notes, I was more interested in
adding items, not viewing the outline, so taking the time to tap
OK before I used the command H (or N) was an extra step. It also
meant I needed to look up from the Graffiti area to find the OK
button.

> 	Hmmm. Anyone else?
> 
> > Allow the Page up/down (hard keys) to move to siblings above and 
> > below the selected item instead of stopping at the top or bottom 
of 
> > the item text.
> 
> 	The cursor is auto placed into the text fields so that you can
> begin typing quickly once you summon Details. How the keys interact 
inside
> of that field is set -- I prefer not to change the behaviour, since
> they're Palm standard and it oculd break hacks and things to 
meddle.. 
> 

If not the hard keys, then maybe a menu item w/ graffiti
shortcut. When using ShadowPlan for note taking, I found the
single line (no line wrap in the outline) to be preferable. When
I looked at the outline I wanted to see as much as possible, so
to "read" several items consecutively is a chore since I need to
double tap the item then tap OK and double tap the next item.

Another solution would be to provide a fast way to switch between
title line wrap modes*. Perhaps add an option to the View pull
down (Upper right corner of the outline form)

* By switch 'title line wrap modes' I mean toggle the option that
can be found on the List options form under list preferences. The
title is 'Supress title word wrap'

> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:23am
Subject: Re: Re: Short cut to Zoom/UnZoom - Palm version

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 smasters@a... wrote:

> I have to admit that I do not use this feature too often, so I don't 
> have strong feeling one way or another on how it works. I would 
> caution against changes that are based on "being easy to do with 
> *Hack". People do not always want to load hacks on their device.

	I don't do anything with hacks, except to try and stay out of
their way; I try and avoid them on my own unit, since I've found a number
of hacks to be unreliable; I do use AfterBurner often, however..

> Since I am fairly new to Palm, is the "Ctrl" key synonymous with the 
> Forward slash movement in the grafitti area? Thanks for the help.

	A palm keyboard ctrl key is the same as shortcut yeah.

	I think I need to buy a Visor keyboard so I can test things; it'll
stop me from getting a Clie, too, since I can't quite justify the need to
upgrade..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: paul_mckeon@y...
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:27am
Subject: Re: Short cut to Zoom/UnZoom - Palm version

My feeling is /Z and /z to Zoom/UnZoom would be easy to remember but 
the additional pen-stroke for the uppercase could become a pain on 
repeated use (sorry, don't know what middlecaps is).

I think my vote would be for two different, lower case letters (or 
on-screen buttons - just kidding, where would you put it). Paul

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > 	I dunno; it has a bad feel for me. I can do it if people want 
> it, but it stills feels funny :)
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > > 
> > > > With MiddleCapsHack its as easy as any other pair of letters 
> and a bit
> > > > easier to remember.
> > > > 
> > > > Bob
> 
> Jeff,
> I have to admit that I do not use this feature too often, so I don't 
> have strong feeling one way or another on how it works. I would 
> caution against changes that are based on "being easy to do with 
> *Hack". People do not always want to load hacks on their device.
> 
> Since I am fairly new to Palm, is the "Ctrl" key synonymous with the 
> Forward slash movement in the grafitti area? Thanks for the help.
> 
> Scott

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:43am
Subject: Re: RE: Categories rearranging themselves

Doh. So far its doable from Recent, Global Find, and some other
one I forget off the top of my head; its the same problem for all of
them. I'll fix it soon. I've just not had time to work on the Palm app for
a week or two .. workign on the desktop app and a patio right now :)

		jeff

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Michael Bryan wrote:

> Jeff,
> 
> I found another way to reproduce this problem without ever leaving Shadow.
> 
> >From the main ShadowPlan screen, set "Category A"
> 1. Click on the "Recent" button
> 2. Open a list that's in "Category B"
> 3. Drop the category list down and see that "Category A" is highlighted
> 4. Modify something and save the list
> 5. The modified list is now in "Category A"
> 
> This problem is beginning to make organizing my lists by category a
> full-time job. :)
> 
> I'm getting in the habit of checking the category as soon as I open any list
> so I can change it back to the correct category before doing anything else
> with it (at step #3 above). I use Linker and Global Find a lot so this has
> become a constant problem for me.
> 
> -mike
> 
> 
> ->       I know exactly where this problem is.. hopefully I can get a
> -> chance to do some development and fix it soon..
> ->
> ->             jeff
> 
> -> On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 opitz@s... wrote:
> 
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I just tried this with 1.5.12, and I'm still getting files AWOL
> > from their categories this way.
> >
> > As for Joe's suggestion, I haven't yet seen someone post a concrete
> > example of this problem without Linker, so here's one:
> >
> > Open a Shadow file, say in the Business category. Now do a global find
> > for something you know is in a file in another Shadow category, say
> > Unfiled, and tap to jump to it. If you look at the List Preferences,
> > you'll see that the category of the file is now changed to Business.
> >
> > Here's the catch: Shadow seems to have no idea this has happened. So
> > if you just close the file without making any changes, it remains in
> > the old (Unfiled) category. If you make any change so that Shadow must
> > save it, it goes into the changed (Business) category.
> >
> > I can also get this to happen with Intelligent Find, which uses its
> > own search engine (not Palm's). The common thread in the problem seems
> > to be: 1) Shadow has a file open, 2) Some OTHER application jumps to a
> > record in a file in a different category, 3) You make a change to the
> > different file (else the category reverts to the correct one).
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:47am
Subject: Re: Re: Short cut to Zoom/UnZoom - Palm version

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 paul_mckeon@y... wrote:

> My feeling is /Z and /z to Zoom/UnZoom would be easy to remember but 
> the additional pen-stroke for the uppercase could become a pain on 
> repeated use (sorry, don't know what middlecaps is).
> 
> I think my vote would be for two different, lower case letters (or 
> on-screen buttons - just kidding, where would you put it). Paul

	Thats my feel too .. just need to pick two keys :)

		Jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > 	I dunno; it has a bad feel for me. I can do it if people want 
> > it, but it stills feels funny :)
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > With MiddleCapsHack its as easy as any other pair of letters 
> > and a bit
> > > > > easier to remember.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bob
> > 
> > Jeff,
> > I have to admit that I do not use this feature too often, so I don't 
> > have strong feeling one way or another on how it works. I would 
> > caution against changes that are based on "being easy to do with 
> > *Hack". People do not always want to load hacks on their device.
> > 
> > Since I am fairly new to Palm, is the "Ctrl" key synonymous with the 
> > Forward slash movement in the grafitti area? Thanks for the help.
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Details View

> > > I recently was using Shadowplan to take notes in a meeting and 
> > > thought a few minor additions to the 'Details' View of an 
outline item would make note taking easier:
> > 

Jeff,

This brings a couple of questions to mind:

1. Could you tell us how many registered users of ShadowPlan there 
are?

2. Have you ever done a survey to see how people use Shadow?

I know how I use Shadow, but I would like to get an idea of how the 
majority uses it.

Scott

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 8:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Details View

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 smasters@a... wrote:

> 1. Could you tell us how many registered users of ShadowPlan there 
> are?

	Confidential. "Lots" :) I don't charge much, so I don't think I've
broken even yet, but hoping to :)

> 2. Have you ever done a survey to see how people use Shadow?

	I don't wish to "spam" my registration email database; the email
addresses were freely given for registration purposes.. I hope that the
mailing lists provide a reasonable cross section of the vocal users. This
sort of spam coudl be useful spam, but I'd rather avoid it. Perhaps I
coudl slip in somethign to a distribution, so users coudl submit their
opinions when downloading upgrades.. *shrug*

> I know how I use Shadow, but I would like to get an idea of how the 
> majority uses it.

	Post your usage ideas and see how many others do :) Check the
archives, perhaps. This comes back to the idea of me putting up a little
webpage that lets you paste in text, like a grafitti wall, so everyone
coudl record their favourite tips and uses..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Learned  <learned@t...>
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Details View

Quoting Jeff Mitchell (support@s...):
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 smasters@a... wrote:
> 
> 	I don't wish to "spam" my registration email database; the email
> addresses were freely given for registration purposes.. I hope that the
> mailing lists provide a reasonable cross section of the vocal users. This
> sort of spam coudl be useful spam, but I'd rather avoid it. Perhaps I
> coudl slip in somethign to a distribution, so users coudl submit their
> opinions when downloading upgrades.. *shrug*

This is why you are our personal hero Jeff...great software and spam free.

From: drumgirl313@y...
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:52pm
Subject: 'New From' Testing...

I just put Shadow through the hard reset testing.  I did a hard reset and
installed only shadow and the datebook database.  I created a new shadow
file and tried to import from the datebook using new from...  Still nothing
shows up in the dialog box. I checked the datebook and there were events
listed.  Don't know what is causing it.  I am using a IIIX with OS 3.1
Thanks!

Gretchen

http://pugnut.tripod.com
********************************************
Just my 2¢ - take it, leave it, or make change.
********************************************

From: kennymobley@b...
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2001 11:47pm
Subject: Re: Details View

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> 2. Have you ever done a survey to see how people use Shadow?
> 
> I know how I use Shadow, but I would like to get an idea of how the 
> majority uses it.
> 
> Scott

Scott,

For some great usage ideas, check out the Yahoo! Group titled 
GtD_Palm at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm.  The group 
centers around David Allen's Getting Things Done.

Kenny

From: smasters@a...
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2001 2:12pm
Subject: Re: Details View

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., kennymobley@b... wrote:
> For some great usage ideas, check out the Yahoo! Group titled 
> GtD_Palm at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm.  The group 
> centers around David Allen's Getting Things Done.
> 
> Kenny

Thanks Kenny,

I am already a member of that group, and have gotten some good tips 
from there. I am pretty comfortable with my system, but am always 
surprised to hear how others use the software. I would have never 
thought of using Shadow to take notes in meetings as Andrew was 
discussing at the start of this thread. I use Shadow mostly as a 
project management and list keeping tool. I then link to the other 
native apps.; tasks to ToDo, Appointments to Datebook, and Notes are 
taken in CryptoPad and then linked.

I guess my biggest qestion to the group is:

Do you see Shadow Plan as the do-all and end-all application for 
planning purposes, or do you see it more as the higher-level planning 
tool with other apps to support the lower-level activities? Thanks 
for all the good ideas so far.

Scott

From: rayae@y...
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 5:45pm
Subject: Re: Details View

Jeff has done a great job a creating a small and fast package with 
alot of flexibility. Note taking is great in Shadow, because I can 
reorganize the subjects or jump around very quickly. Any notes I have 
taken so far, I export off my Palm. 

I do keep "post-it" notes in Shadow also. It keeps my monitor less 
cluttered and it is easier to find what I need. The tree structure 
makes organization a snap.

Andrew


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., kennymobley@b... wrote:
> > For some great usage ideas, check out the Yahoo! Group titled 
> > GtD_Palm at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GtD_Palm.  The group 
> > centers around David Allen's Getting Things Done.
> > 
> > Kenny
> 
> Thanks Kenny,
> 
> I am already a member of that group, and have gotten some good tips 
> from there. I am pretty comfortable with my system, but am always 
> surprised to hear how others use the software. I would have never 
> thought of using Shadow to take notes in meetings as Andrew was 
> discussing at the start of this thread. I use Shadow mostly as a 
> project management and list keeping tool. I then link to the other 
> native apps.; tasks to ToDo, Appointments to Datebook, and Notes 
are 
> taken in CryptoPad and then linked.
> 
> I guess my biggest qestion to the group is:
> 
> Do you see Shadow Plan as the do-all and end-all application for 
> planning purposes, or do you see it more as the higher-level 
planning 
> tool with other apps to support the lower-level activities? Thanks 
> for all the good ideas so far.
> 
> Scott

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 10:01pm
Subject: Re: Drag and drop?

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Demetrios" <demetrios@c...> wrote:
>    So you're saying that it's "counter-intuitive" because it helps 
> you too much?

No that's not what I'm saying. Read back my original message.

> If you're easily confused, just ignore the indicator at the top.

I'm not easily confused. I just outlined my prefered drag & drop 
mechanism. Jeff asked why people didn't use drag & drop and I gave my 
personal opinion.

> That still leaves the row "spotter" that tells you pretty 
> much exactly where it's going. What more do y'all want, someone to 
> come hold your hand and show you how it's done?

I said what I wanted, so once again, I'll let my original message 
speak for itself.

>    Jeff, why waste your time and energy {not to mention a valuable  
> line of text} just because people want every program to be exactly 
> alike so they don't have to take the time to RtFM or to bother
> trying to figure out how each program is unique.

I suppose you've been looking over my shoulder all this time when I 
was using Shadow. How else could you know whether or not I read the 
manual. If we all felt that Shadow was 100% perfect and self-
explanatory, then why do we still have this forum?

> If you're gonna go that far, how about all you programers getting
> together and agreeing on one set of shoutcuts. I mean, you know
> how many split-seconds it costs me every time I have to remember
> what each /command means what in which program?
>    So, Jeff, keep up the good work and stop wasting your time
> trying to reduce to it's lowest common denominator, a really
> great, very easy to use {if you bother to spend a few minutes
> getting to know it and maybe even read the manual} program.

Your sarcasm far outweighs your insight my friend. You ridicule the 
idea of common interface concepts across applications while this very 
concept made popular operating systems like Windows and MacOS the 
market leaders that they are today.

If you feel that Jeff would waste his time on all ideas that don't 
match yours, then you're better off in a forum where you're the only 
member.

> Again, thanks for a great program, Jeff;

I agree with you on that.

Roy.

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2001 10:13pm
Subject: Re: Drag and drop?

> 	The Shadow indicator shows almost exactly where it will
> show up, though -- it shows where the item will begin. It gives
> more information that in other apps -- it shows that the item
> will be a child or sibling by its level of indent, and exactly
> where it will insert. So I got you covered there, I think :)

To use your own words: almost exactly! :)

One thing I don't like is that the "sweet spot" (the horizontal 
location where a child turns into a sibling or vice versa) is at the 
same location for all indent levels. I feel that this location should 
be relative to the indent level.

Also, because of the fact that both the item to be dragged and the 
item to be dropped upon are displayed in reverse video, the location 
indicator below the item sometimes disappears. To be exact: when I 
drag an item up one line, I can't see the indicator anymore.

Finally, I'd still like to be able to drag an item to the top of a 
list, even though there are workarounds to accomplish this.

> 	I'm assuming you would just rather have a horizontal line
> that you just can't miss, over a little target thing that blends
> in?

I feel that this would solve the issues I mentioned before. If you 
can devise a different way to achieve the same result, I'd love to 
hear it!

Roy.

From: tonyelit@s...
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 0:09am
Subject: Filter questions

Hi jeff 
What if the logic behind the following filters
a) current - past items. Shouldn't it be target date <= today
if it is why are items with future target dates or no target dates 
shown
b) current - future items (target >=today)



Thanks for your attention

From: doug809@h...
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 7:34am
Subject: Request: time estimates

Hi Jeff,

I just registered today and wanted to say thanks for creating such a 
great program!

Stop me if someone has requested this feature before :), but it would 
really help me with project management. (I couldn't find anything by 
searching the archives so I thought I'd ask). 

At work, our managers track things pretty carefully & always ask us 
to estimate the effort/time it will take to complete a given project 
or set of tasks.

The visual progress bars in Shadow are one of my favourite features, 
but as it stands now, they don't seem to allow any kind 
of "weighting" of the subtasks.  For example, I tend to think of 
progress more in terms of time (e.g. project will take 3 days and I 
am 50% done) instead of thinking in terms of number of subtasks (e.g. 
this project has 8 subtasks, 4 of which are done so therefore the 
project is 50% complete).  

It would be great if there was a field (at the subtask or child 
level) allowing for expected task duration (e.g. 4 hours).  It 
wouldn't even have to be in the main view, just having it available 
in the details would do the job.  Then, somewhere at the parent 
level, it would show the total time for all the subtasks.

I could then use this info to help set the Target Dates for my 
projects.


What do you think?

Thanks,
Doug

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:09pm
Subject: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 doug809@h... wrote:

> I just registered today and wanted to say thanks for creating such a 
> great program!

	Thanks for trying it out :)

> Stop me if someone has requested this feature before :), but it would 
> really help me with project management. (I couldn't find anything by 
> searching the archives so I thought I'd ask). 

	This has been mentioned before, but I think its been a long
while..

> The visual progress bars in Shadow are one of my favourite features, 
> but as it stands now, they don't seem to allow any kind 
> of "weighting" of the subtasks.  For example, I tend to think of 
> progress more in terms of time (e.g. project will take 3 days and I 
> am 50% done) instead of thinking in terms of number of subtasks (e.g. 
> this project has 8 subtasks, 4 of which are done so therefore the 
> project is 50% complete).  

	This is a tough problem -- how to handle implicit progress, or
better weighting, or better time control .. all while keeping Shadow
generic enough to be used by everyone.

	I'm half tempted to make a list pref to chose the style of details
box shown, to allow you to say "don't show me this project crap, just show
me text", or the reverse "give me all the project details, with small text
areas". *shrug*. Anyway,

	Implications:

	1) UI change; where to put the weight value. Is it desirable by
everyone? Would it clumsy up things?

	2) Can the weight be implmented as such:

		i) Right now, Shadow (off the top of my head) counts up
the number of items below a parent, and their total %age sum, and divides
the sum by count to obtain the %age.

		ii) Can it now do the same, except multiply the items %age
by weighting? ie:

	item1	75%	weight 1
	item2	25%	weight 3

	Old calc: ( 75 + 25 ) / 2 = 50%
	Proposed calc: ( 75 + ( 25 * 3 ) ) / 2 = 75%

	If that is correct, it should not be too difficult an operation to
implement (ie: Simple update to the existing logic, and passive, since all
weights by default would be 1)

> It would be great if there was a field (at the subtask or child 
> level) allowing for expected task duration (e.g. 4 hours).  It 
> wouldn't even have to be in the main view, just having it available 
> in the details would do the job.  Then, somewhere at the parent 
> level, it would show the total time for all the subtasks.

	I'll likely be adding a "misc field" to allow for things like
this, so you can enter a number or text or whatever you like into a small
text field.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:45pm
Subject: Back to Shadow from Link

Jeff,

In the GtD_Palm group the following discussion is in progress:

--- In GtD_Palm@y..., scrap-n-chat@h... wrote:
> --- In GtD_Palm@y..., verxion@p... wrote:
> 
> > 4. If you need the ability to link to external programs, it looks 
> like Shadow Plan wins HANDS DOWN.  Both Bonsai and Life Balance 
allow 
> linking to To-Do items but they don't seem to currently offer 
linking 
> to anything else.  Shadow Plan even has a neato little go-back 
> function built in to return you to Shadow Plan after going 
somewhere 
> else.
> 
> > -Joe Chott
> 
> Joe...
> 
> How do you go back?  I haven't been able to figure this feature out.
> 
> Leisel
You have to be running a beta of ShadowPlan.  You can ask about it on 
Jeff
Mitchell's mailing list - he makes the beta's available to anyone 
that asks,
but he doesn't want them given out outside of his process.

On the new beta, you can just follow a link out of Shadow Plan, then 
when you
are done with it, tap on the "Home" icon, and you go back to Shadow. 
Subsequent taps of the "Home" icon get you to the 
normal "Applications" program.

-Joe Chott


Jeff, I have installed 1.5.12, but if I follow a Link then tap the 
Home icon, I go to my "desktop", not back to Shadow. What am I doing 
wrong?

Scott

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Drag and drop?

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Roy van der Woning wrote:

> One thing I don't like is that the "sweet spot" (the horizontal 
> location where a child turns into a sibling or vice versa) is at the 
> same location for all indent levels. I feel that this location should 
> be relative to the indent level.

	It was originally, but this screwed people up badly :) (ie: The
fact that it is consistent is more helpful, since you can just dfrag and
know what will happen. Having it relative just blew people's speed away)

> Also, because of the fact that both the item to be dragged and the 
> item to be dropped upon are displayed in reverse video, the location 
> indicator below the item sometimes disappears. To be exact: when I 
> drag an item up one line, I can't see the indicator anymore.

	Yep, agreed 100%.

> Finally, I'd still like to be able to drag an item to the top of a 
> list, even though there are workarounds to accomplish this.

	Also agreed 100%. The trick is..

	Right now, if you drag off the top, it'll try and scroll a bit. I
guess thats okay, but I should add a special rule.. if you drag off the
top, and you're at the list top, then a drop means to drop at the
top. S'okay?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:26pm
Subject: Re: Filter questions

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 tonyelit@s... wrote:

> What if the logic behind the following filters
> a) current - past items. Shouldn't it be target date <= today
> if it is why are items with future target dates or no target dates 
> shown

	No target date must also be shown. Future target items won't show
for current/paste targets.

> b) current - future items (target >=today)

	Future and today shoudl show, but not past items. Undated will
also show. (I think.. I dont' use the filters much myself). If you need to
know, I can dig up the rules for the filters for you..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: ext555@p...
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:41pm
Subject: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

Jeff, would a misc text field (that's been mentioned previously) with 
a sum total per item level handle this? When this was first brought 
up as  a possibility, I asked if this would meet my need to estimate 
the time required to complete a list of items etc. 

just a thought, 

Paul 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 doug809@h... wrote:
> 
> > I just registered today and wanted to say thanks for creating 
such a 
> > great program!
> 
> 	Thanks for trying it out :)
> 
> > Stop me if someone has requested this feature before :), but it 
would 
> > really help me with project management. (I couldn't find anything 
by 
> > searching the archives so I thought I'd ask). 
> 
> 	This has been mentioned before, but I think its been a long
> while..
> 
> > The visual progress bars in Shadow are one of my favourite 
features, 
> > but as it stands now, they don't seem to allow any kind 
> > of "weighting" of the subtasks.  For example, I tend to think of 
> > progress more in terms of time (e.g. project will take 3 days and 
I 
> > am 50% done) instead of thinking in terms of number of subtasks 
(e.g. 
> > this project has 8 subtasks, 4 of which are done so therefore the 
> > project is 50% complete).  
> 
> 	This is a tough problem -- how to handle implicit progress, or
> better weighting, or better time control .. all while keeping Shadow
> generic enough to be used by everyone.
> 
> 	I'm half tempted to make a list pref to chose the style of 
details
> box shown, to allow you to say "don't show me this project crap, 
just show
> me text", or the reverse "give me all the project details, with 
small text
> areas". *shrug*. Anyway,
> 
> 	Implications:
> 
> 	1) UI change; where to put the weight value. Is it desirable 
by
> everyone? Would it clumsy up things?
> 
> 	2) Can the weight be implmented as such:
> 
> 		i) Right now, Shadow (off the top of my head) counts 
up
> the number of items below a parent, and their total %age sum, and 
divides
> the sum by count to obtain the %age.
> 
> 		ii) Can it now do the same, except multiply the items 
%age
> by weighting? ie:
> 
> 	item1	75%	weight 1
> 	item2	25%	weight 3
> 
> 	Old calc: ( 75 + 25 ) / 2 = 50%
> 	Proposed calc: ( 75 + ( 25 * 3 ) ) / 2 = 75%
> 
> 	If that is correct, it should not be too difficult an 
operation to
> implement (ie: Simple update to the existing logic, and passive, 
since all
> weights by default would be 1)
> 
> > It would be great if there was a field (at the subtask or child 
> > level) allowing for expected task duration (e.g. 4 hours).  It 
> > wouldn't even have to be in the main view, just having it 
available 
> > in the details would do the job.  Then, somewhere at the parent 
> > level, it would show the total time for all the subtasks.
> 
> 	I'll likely be adding a "misc field" to allow for things like
> this, so you can enter a number or text or whatever you like into a 
small
> text field.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:47pm
Subject: Re: Back to Shadow from Link

There is a pref in I think Shadow Preferences or
thereabouts; "return to shadow after goto" or somesuch. Once you check it,
the App button will return you..

		jeff

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 smasters@a... wrote:

> Jeff,
> 
> In the GtD_Palm group the following discussion is in progress:
> 
> --- In GtD_Palm@y..., scrap-n-chat@h... wrote:
> > --- In GtD_Palm@y..., verxion@p... wrote:
> > 
> > > 4. If you need the ability to link to external programs, it looks 
> > like Shadow Plan wins HANDS DOWN.  Both Bonsai and Life Balance 
> allow 
> > linking to To-Do items but they don't seem to currently offer 
> linking 
> > to anything else.  Shadow Plan even has a neato little go-back 
> > function built in to return you to Shadow Plan after going 
> somewhere 
> > else.
> > 
> > > -Joe Chott
> > 
> > Joe...
> > 
> > How do you go back?  I haven't been able to figure this feature out.
> > 
> > Leisel
> You have to be running a beta of ShadowPlan.  You can ask about it on 
> Jeff
> Mitchell's mailing list - he makes the beta's available to anyone 
> that asks,
> but he doesn't want them given out outside of his process.
> 
> On the new beta, you can just follow a link out of Shadow Plan, then 
> when you
> are done with it, tap on the "Home" icon, and you go back to Shadow. 
> Subsequent taps of the "Home" icon get you to the 
> normal "Applications" program.
> 
> -Joe Chott
> 
> 
> Jeff, I have installed 1.5.12, but if I follow a Link then tap the 
> Home icon, I go to my "desktop", not back to Shadow. What am I doing 
> wrong?
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 3:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 ext555@p... wrote:

> Jeff, would a misc text field (that's been mentioned previously) with 
> a sum total per item level handle this? When this was first brought 
> up as  a possibility, I asked if this would meet my need to estimate 
> the time required to complete a list of items etc. 

	For time estimates, yes (see below); however, for weighting, I
don't think it would be sufficient..

		jeff

> 
> just a thought, 
> 
> Paul 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 doug809@h... wrote:
> > 
> > > I just registered today and wanted to say thanks for creating 
> such a 
> > > great program!
> > 
> > 	Thanks for trying it out :)
> > 
> > > Stop me if someone has requested this feature before :), but it 
> would 
> > > really help me with project management. (I couldn't find anything 
> by 
> > > searching the archives so I thought I'd ask). 
> > 
> > 	This has been mentioned before, but I think its been a long
> > while..
> > 
> > > The visual progress bars in Shadow are one of my favourite 
> features, 
> > > but as it stands now, they don't seem to allow any kind 
> > > of "weighting" of the subtasks.  For example, I tend to think of 
> > > progress more in terms of time (e.g. project will take 3 days and 
> I 
> > > am 50% done) instead of thinking in terms of number of subtasks 
> (e.g. 
> > > this project has 8 subtasks, 4 of which are done so therefore the 
> > > project is 50% complete).  
> > 
> > 	This is a tough problem -- how to handle implicit progress, or
> > better weighting, or better time control .. all while keeping Shadow
> > generic enough to be used by everyone.
> > 
> > 	I'm half tempted to make a list pref to chose the style of 
> details
> > box shown, to allow you to say "don't show me this project crap, 
> just show
> > me text", or the reverse "give me all the project details, with 
> small text
> > areas". *shrug*. Anyway,
> > 
> > 	Implications:
> > 
> > 	1) UI change; where to put the weight value. Is it desirable 
> by
> > everyone? Would it clumsy up things?
> > 
> > 	2) Can the weight be implmented as such:
> > 
> > 		i) Right now, Shadow (off the top of my head) counts 
> up
> > the number of items below a parent, and their total %age sum, and 
> divides
> > the sum by count to obtain the %age.
> > 
> > 		ii) Can it now do the same, except multiply the items 
> %age
> > by weighting? ie:
> > 
> > 	item1	75%	weight 1
> > 	item2	25%	weight 3
> > 
> > 	Old calc: ( 75 + 25 ) / 2 = 50%
> > 	Proposed calc: ( 75 + ( 25 * 3 ) ) / 2 = 75%
> > 
> > 	If that is correct, it should not be too difficult an 
> operation to
> > implement (ie: Simple update to the existing logic, and passive, 
> since all
> > weights by default would be 1)
> > 
> > > It would be great if there was a field (at the subtask or child 
> > > level) allowing for expected task duration (e.g. 4 hours).  It 
> > > wouldn't even have to be in the main view, just having it 
> available 
> > > in the details would do the job.  Then, somewhere at the parent 
> > > level, it would show the total time for all the subtasks.
> > 
> > 	I'll likely be adding a "misc field" to allow for things like
> > this, so you can enter a number or text or whatever you like into a 
> small
> > text field.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
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> 
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> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: rayae@y...
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 4:59pm
Subject: Automatic bullets on leaf nodes

Does anyone know if there is a way to get Shadow to automatically put 
bullets on leaf nodes (items without children)? I see how to do it 
manually and how to do it explicitly for levels 1 2 or 3.

Andrew

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 5:53pm
Subject: Re: Automatic bullets on leaf nodes

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 rayae@y... wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a way to get Shadow to automatically put 
> bullets on leaf nodes (items without children)? I see how to do it 
> manually and how to do it explicitly for levels 1 2 or 3.

	You can use item autonumbering to get a bullet on every item in
the sublevel.. ie: The list prefs allow oyu a conveniant way to set it for
the top 3 levels. But you can actually do it on your own, sublevel by
sublevel .. pull up some deep item, and in the autonumber section in its
Details, pick the bullet option. Then all items on that particular
sublevel will be bulleted..

	(Very handy for lean custom formats, or the Note type of list)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Drag and drop?

> 	It was originally, but this screwed people up badly :)
> (ie: The fact that it is consistent is more helpful, since you
> can just dfrag and know what will happen.

Hmmm... let's agree to disagree. :)

> Having it relative just blew people's speed away)

That's odd, I feel that it would be more consistent with how drag & 
drop works in other popular applications on different platforms. Like 
Windows Explorer for example.

Anyway, I bow to the rules of democracy. :)

> 	Right now, if you drag off the top, it'll try and scroll a
> bit. I guess thats okay, but I should add a special rule.. if
> you drag off the top, and you're at the list top, then a drop
> means to drop at the top. S'okay?

Yep, makes perfect sense to me. That way you can drag an item to the 
top with one movement, even when the top item is not visible when you 
start dragging.

Roy.

From: smasters@a...
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2001 8:42pm
Subject: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

Jeff,

I know it's more work, but I kind of like the idea of different 
detail views based on what the task is being used for. If your using 
it for notes you don't need all the PM stuff, and if your using it as 
a project outline you don't need a lot of text. For the % complete it 
sounds like another field for hours/ task might be necessary, then 
the overall progress would be Sum(hours * %age)/total hours. I think 
that would be along the PM norm. Of course then you could get into a 
direct import/export to MS Project. Wouldn't that be slick. Just 
my .02 worth.

Scott

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 ext555@p... wrote:
> 
> > Jeff, would a misc text field (that's been mentioned previously) 
with 
> > a sum total per item level handle this? When this was first 
brought 
> > up as  a possibility, I asked if this would meet my need to 
estimate 
> > the time required to complete a list of items etc. 
> 
> 	For time estimates, yes (see below); however, for weighting, I
> don't think it would be sufficient..
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > 
> > just a thought, 
> > 
> > Paul 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 doug809@h... wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I just registered today and wanted to say thanks for creating 
> > such a 
> > > > great program!
> > > 
> > > 	Thanks for trying it out :)
> > > 
> > > > Stop me if someone has requested this feature before :), but 
it 
> > would 
> > > > really help me with project management. (I couldn't find 
anything 
> > by 
> > > > searching the archives so I thought I'd ask). 
> > > 
> > > 	This has been mentioned before, but I think its been a long
> > > while..
> > > 
> > > > The visual progress bars in Shadow are one of my favourite 
> > features, 
> > > > but as it stands now, they don't seem to allow any kind 
> > > > of "weighting" of the subtasks.  For example, I tend to think 
of 
> > > > progress more in terms of time (e.g. project will take 3 days 
and 
> > I 
> > > > am 50% done) instead of thinking in terms of number of 
subtasks 
> > (e.g. 
> > > > this project has 8 subtasks, 4 of which are done so therefore 
the 
> > > > project is 50% complete).  
> > > 
> > > 	This is a tough problem -- how to handle implicit progress, or
> > > better weighting, or better time control .. all while keeping 
Shadow
> > > generic enough to be used by everyone.
> > > 
> > > 	I'm half tempted to make a list pref to chose the style of 
> > details
> > > box shown, to allow you to say "don't show me this project 
crap, 
> > just show
> > > me text", or the reverse "give me all the project details, with 
> > small text
> > > areas". *shrug*. Anyway,
> > > 
> > > 	Implications:
> > > 
> > > 	1) UI change; where to put the weight value. Is it desirable 
> > by
> > > everyone? Would it clumsy up things?
> > > 
> > > 	2) Can the weight be implmented as such:
> > > 
> > > 		i) Right now, Shadow (off the top of my head) counts 
> > up
> > > the number of items below a parent, and their total %age sum, 
and 
> > divides
> > > the sum by count to obtain the %age.
> > > 
> > > 		ii) Can it now do the same, except multiply the items 
> > %age
> > > by weighting? ie:
> > > 
> > > 	item1	75%	weight 1
> > > 	item2	25%	weight 3
> > > 
> > > 	Old calc: ( 75 + 25 ) / 2 = 50%
> > > 	Proposed calc: ( 75 + ( 25 * 3 ) ) / 2 = 75%
> > > 
> > > 	If that is correct, it should not be too difficult an 
> > operation to
> > > implement (ie: Simple update to the existing logic, and 
passive, 
> > since all
> > > weights by default would be 1)
> > > 
> > > > It would be great if there was a field (at the subtask or 
child 
> > > > level) allowing for expected task duration (e.g. 4 hours).  
It 
> > > > wouldn't even have to be in the main view, just having it 
> > available 
> > > > in the details would do the job.  Then, somewhere at the 
parent 
> > > > level, it would show the total time for all the subtasks.
> > > 
> > > 	I'll likely be adding a "misc field" to allow for things like
> > > this, so you can enter a number or text or whatever you like 
into a 
> > small
> > > text field.
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he 
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: doug809@h...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:52am
Subject: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

Wow, thanks for the fast response everyone!

>>> 1) UI change; where to put the weight value. 

My initial instinct was that if the extra field didn't fit on the 
details screen, then there could be a "More" type of button on the 
Details screen that would take you to another screen where the 
additional info could be added (along with any future fields that 
people may want).  

Hmm, did I use the word "screen" enough times in that last 
paragraph!? :)

I also like Scott's idea of having a different view ... 
maybe "Advanced Tasklist" or just "PM" or even "Tasks++" (ha ha).


>>> 2) Can the weight be implmented as such?:
[... Snip...]

Actually, Scott mentioned the formula I was thinking of ...

Numerator = percentage1*weight1 + p2*w2 + ... + pN*wN
Denominator = w1 + w2 + ... + wN

To use your earlier example:

item1	75%	weight 1
item2	25%	weight 3

Old calc: ( 75 + 25 ) / 2 = 50%
Proposed calc: ( (75 * 1) + ( 25 * 3 ) ) / (1+3) = 37.5%

basically, if the weight is considered to be "hours", then the tasks 
should take 4 hours in total and so far I've put in 1.5 hours (45 min 
on item1 and 45 min on item2).  


Doug


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> I know it's more work, but I kind of like the idea of different 
> detail views based on what the task is being used for. If your 
using 
> it for notes you don't need all the PM stuff, and if your using it 
as 
> a project outline you don't need a lot of text. For the % complete 
it 
> sounds like another field for hours/ task might be necessary, then 
> the overall progress would be Sum(hours * %age)/total hours. I 
think 
> that would be along the PM norm. Of course then you could get into 
a 
> direct import/export to MS Project. Wouldn't that be slick. Just 
> my .02 worth.
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 ext555@p... wrote:
> > 
> > > Jeff, would a misc text field (that's been mentioned 
previously) 
> with 
> > > a sum total per item level handle this? When this was first 
> brought 
> > > up as  a possibility, I asked if this would meet my need to 
> estimate 
> > > the time required to complete a list of items etc. 
> > 
> > 	For time estimates, yes (see below); however, for weighting, I
> > don't think it would be sufficient..
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > > 
> > > just a thought, 
> > > 
> > > Paul 
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 doug809@h... wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I just registered today and wanted to say thanks for 
creating 
> > > such a 
> > > > > great program!
> > > > 
> > > > 	Thanks for trying it out :)
> > > > 
> > > > > Stop me if someone has requested this feature before :), 
but 
> it 
> > > would 
> > > > > really help me with project management. (I couldn't find 
> anything 
> > > by 
> > > > > searching the archives so I thought I'd ask). 
> > > > 
> > > > 	This has been mentioned before, but I think its been 
a long
> > > > while..
> > > > 
> > > > > The visual progress bars in Shadow are one of my favourite 
> > > features, 
> > > > > but as it stands now, they don't seem to allow any kind 
> > > > > of "weighting" of the subtasks.  For example, I tend to 
think 
> of 
> > > > > progress more in terms of time (e.g. project will take 3 
days 
> and 
> > > I 
> > > > > am 50% done) instead of thinking in terms of number of 
> subtasks 
> > > (e.g. 
> > > > > this project has 8 subtasks, 4 of which are done so 
therefore 
> the 
> > > > > project is 50% complete).  
> > > > 
> > > > 	This is a tough problem -- how to handle implicit 
progress, or
> > > > better weighting, or better time control .. all while keeping 
> Shadow
> > > > generic enough to be used by everyone.
> > > > 
> > > > 	I'm half tempted to make a list pref to chose the 
style of 
> > > details
> > > > box shown, to allow you to say "don't show me this project 
> crap, 
> > > just show
> > > > me text", or the reverse "give me all the project details, 
with 
> > > small text
> > > > areas". *shrug*. Anyway,
> > > > 
> > > > 	Implications:
> > > > 
> > > > 	1) UI change; where to put the weight value. Is it 
desirable 
> > > by
> > > > everyone? Would it clumsy up things?
> > > > 
> > > > 	2) Can the weight be implmented as such:
> > > > 
> > > > 		i) Right now, Shadow (off the top of my head) 
counts 
> > > up
> > > > the number of items below a parent, and their total %age sum, 
> and 
> > > divides
> > > > the sum by count to obtain the %age.
> > > > 
> > > > 		ii) Can it now do the same, except multiply 
the items 
> > > %age
> > > > by weighting? ie:
> > > > 
> > > > 	item1	75%	weight 1
> > > > 	item2	25%	weight 3
> > > > 
> > > > 	Old calc: ( 75 + 25 ) / 2 = 50%
> > > > 	Proposed calc: ( 75 + ( 25 * 3 ) ) / 2 = 75%
> > > > 
> > > > 	If that is correct, it should not be too difficult an 
> > > operation to
> > > > implement (ie: Simple update to the existing logic, and 
> passive, 
> > > since all
> > > > weights by default would be 1)
> > > > 
> > > > > It would be great if there was a field (at the subtask or 
> child 
> > > > > level) allowing for expected task duration (e.g. 4 hours).  
> It 
> > > > > wouldn't even have to be in the main view, just having it 
> > > available 
> > > > > in the details would do the job.  Then, somewhere at the 
> parent 
> > > > > level, it would show the total time for all the subtasks.
> > > > 
> > > > 	I'll likely be adding a "misc field" to allow for 
things like
> > > > this, so you can enter a number or text or whatever you like 
> into a 
> > > small
> > > > text field.
> > > > 
> > > > 		jeff
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own 
> > > micro
> > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
> mean,
> > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he 
calculate 
> he 
> > > is?"
> > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jan Erik Moström  <lists@m...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:51am
Subject: Summary

Does someone know if this is possible to do?

I got a number of lists in Shadow, many items which are dated, some that are
not. I usually open each list and check the dates and then link them to the todo
database when it's time to do something about them ... but this takes some time.
What I would like to do is to get an overview of all items in all, or some,
lists that have a start date or target date (or undated) within the next 5 days
or 7 days or ...

As far as I know this isn't possible to do in Shadow but is there some other way
of doing it? (I of course would like to see this in Shadow but ...)

                    jem
--
Jan Erik Moström                             mailto:jem@m...
Free Elektron                      http://www.mostrom.pp.se/folk/jem/

From: David Keltie  <dave@z...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 8:41am
Subject: RE: Summary

This would be top priority for me - much more than the push to make
Shadow a fully featured project management tool!
 
Dave 
 
 
 I got a number of lists in Shadow, many items which are dated, some
that are
not. I usually open each list and check the dates and then link them to
the todo
database when it's time to do something about them ... but this takes
some time.
What I would like to do is to get an overview of all items in all, or
some,
lists that have a start date or target date (or undated) within the next
5 days
or 7 days or ...

As far as I know this isn't possible to do in Shadow but is there some
other way
of doing it? (I of course would like to see this in Shadow but ...)





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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 11:43am
Subject: Re: Summary

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jan Erik [iso-8859-1] Moström wrote:

> of doing it? (I of course would like to see this in Shadow but ...)

	Its been on my list for a long time, but pretty far down :P

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 2:19pm
Subject: Another Odd Request

Jeff,
Is it possible to leave Shadow for another application and have the 
Details view remain open? For example, I have a details view up and I 
go to the datebook (using the button), and then return to Shadow 
(which is on my ToDo button) and have the Detail View still open 
instead of the List view.

The reason I ask is that I started my second trial period of 
Actioneer, because I really like the idea of one place to enter all 
ToDo's Appointments, or Memos. But I find Actioneer rather limiting 
since you can't create a dated todo without also creating an 
appointment, only works with MemoPad as opposed to CryptoPad, etc. 
Then I thought, why worry about another application when I can do 
this right from Shadow! I created a list called "unfiled" and leave 
it open. Then when I'm in a rush I just open a new task enter what I 
need, and I can put it anywhere by linking. This would be even 
quicker if I could have a detail view already open when I go to 
Shadow. Has anyone else thought of this? Is this possible?

Scott

From: scrap-n-chat@h...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., doug809@h... wrote:

I think I would really like a feature like this.  At least, it would 
help me see how I'm doing on one of the projects I'm working on.  
I'll explain, and maybe it'll make sense.

I'm going through a bunch of boxes from our last move.  I think there 
are 46 total, but the # isn't important... just that it was a lot of 
items to put as subtasks, and I found it a pain in the bucket to 
scroll (tapping the little arrows only moves you up or down one item 
at a time).  So, I ended up demoting the boxes I've completed under 
a "completed boxes" (that was a stretch, right?) heading.  Only now, 
the parent item "Go through boxes" shows overall progress as 0%, even 
through I'm nearly 50% done, because it weights the "completed boxes" 
item the same as all the individual boxes I have yet to go through.

So, if the parent item could use as it's weight the total of all the 
children's weights (automatically updating with the addition of new 
children), this would work out well for me.  The "completed boxes" 
item would end up with a weight of (currently) 21, and continue to go 
up as I moved each completed box under it, compared to the remaining 
individual boxes, which would each have a weight of 1.

Leisel

From: scrap-n-chat@h...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Broken links problem

I created a bunch of to do links in one list, moved the to do's from 
unfiled to their appropriate category, and then moved the Shadow 
items into another list.  All the links showed up as broken.  Was 
this a fluke? Should I have done this in a different order to keep 
the links from breaking?  Is there any way to reattach the links?  I 
know if I tried to recreate them, I would end up just duplicating the 
to dos.

And, I guess this would be a feature request, Jeff... if there isn't 
currently a way to re-attach the links, could this please be 
something you add... the possibility to link to existing to do items, 
in addition to creation (copy to database) and creation+linking (link 
to database)?

Leisel

From: ext555@p...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Another Odd Request (actioneer O.T.)

Actioneer can create a dated to-do without creating an appt. 
It' in the pref's section. 

hope that helps
Paul 

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> Jeff,
> Is it possible to leave Shadow for another application and have the 
> Details view remain open? For example, I have a details view up and 
I 
> go to the datebook (using the button), and then return to Shadow 
> (which is on my ToDo button) and have the Detail View still open 
> instead of the List view.
> 
> The reason I ask is that I started my second trial period of 
> Actioneer, because I really like the idea of one place to enter all 
> ToDo's Appointments, or Memos. But I find Actioneer rather limiting 
> since you can't create a dated todo without also creating an 
> appointment, only works with MemoPad as opposed to CryptoPad, etc. 
> Then I thought, why worry about another application when I can do 
> this right from Shadow! I created a list called "unfiled" and leave 
> it open. Then when I'm in a rush I just open a new task enter what 
I 
> need, and I can put it anywhere by linking. This would be even 
> quicker if I could have a detail view already open when I go to 
> Shadow. Has anyone else thought of this? Is this possible?
> 
> Scott

From: David Keltie  <dave@z...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

Why not just have a tasklist? You complete a box and tick the box (use
the filter to conceal completed items to make it easy to move around).
Your parent item "Go through boxes" or whatever progress meter captures
your progress. Or am I misunderstanding you?
 
Oh, and don't scroll - use the find button on longer lists. Works great.
 
Cheers
 
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: scrap-n-chat@h... [mailto:scrap-n-chat@h...] 
Sent: 24 July 2001 15:38
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*


--- In shadow-discuss@y..., doug809@h... wrote:

I think I would really like a feature like this.  At least, it would 
help me see how I'm doing on one of the projects I'm working on.  
I'll explain, and maybe it'll make sense.

I'm going through a bunch of boxes from our last move.  I think there 
are 46 total, but the # isn't important... just that it was a lot of 
items to put as subtasks, and I found it a pain in the bucket to 
scroll (tapping the little arrows only moves you up or down one item 
at a time).  So, I ended up demoting the boxes I've completed under 
a "completed boxes" (that was a stretch, right?) heading.  Only now, 
the parent item "Go through boxes" shows overall progress as 0%, even 
through I'm nearly 50% done, because it weights the "completed boxes" 
item the same as all the individual boxes I have yet to go through.

So, if the parent item could use as it's weight the total of all the 
children's weights (automatically updating with the addition of new 
children), this would work out well for me.  The "completed boxes" 
item would end up with a weight of (currently) 21, and continue to go 
up as I moved each completed box under it, compared to the remaining 
individual boxes, which would each have a weight of 1.

Leisel


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From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 4:20pm
Subject: Re: (actioneer O.T.)

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., ext555@p... wrote:
> Actioneer can create a dated to-do without creating an appt. 
> It' in the pref's section. 
> 
> hope that helps
> Paul 
> 

Paul,

I can see how you can create an appt. without a dated todo, but I 
don't see where there is a place to add a date to the todo without it 
also going to date book. Or do I have to enter the date in the text 
as a keyword?

From: scrap-n-chat@h...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Request: time estimates / *weights*

Dave...

Thanks, I'm a new user, and hadn't used the filters at all yet.  That 
certainly solved the one problem.

Leisel

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "David Keltie" <dave@z...> wrote:
> Why not just have a tasklist? You complete a box and tick the box 
(use
> the filter to conceal completed items to make it easy to move 
around).
> Your parent item "Go through boxes" or whatever progress meter 
captures
> your progress. Or am I misunderstanding you?
>  
> Oh, and don't scroll - use the find button on longer lists. Works 
great.
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Dave

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Another Odd Request

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 smasters@a... wrote:

> Is it possible to leave Shadow for another application and have the 
> Details view remain open? For example, I have a details view up and I 
> go to the datebook (using the button), and then return to Shadow 
> (which is on my ToDo button) and have the Detail View still open 
> instead of the List view.

	It is possible, but its not something I want to worry about right
now .. (ie: To keep it open means to save what is in it somewhere, so that
when you come back to Shadow it could pull up what you had in it. ie: You
may have editted the text and links of an item, but not yet hit OK to save
them, so Shadow can't just stick them into the item. As it is right now,
it implicitly hits OK or CANCEL as appropriate ..)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 6:55pm
Subject: Re: Broken links problem

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 scrap-n-chat@h... wrote:

> I created a bunch of to do links in one list, moved the to do's from 
> unfiled to their appropriate category, and then moved the Shadow 
> items into another list.  All the links showed up as broken.  Was 
> this a fluke? Should I have done this in a different order to keep 
> the links from breaking?  Is there any way to reattach the links?  I 
> know if I tried to recreate them, I would end up just duplicating the 
> to dos.

	Changing the category of an item should not break a link; moving
them around in Shadow should maintain the link (or clear it at worst case
.. certainly woudln't point it somewhere broken!). So the link breakage
must have occurred in the other app .. you must have moved them in an odd
way, or the app did something braindamaged. (ie: The category of a todo is
stored as part of the todo; if you just change the category part Shadow
is still pointing to the todo itself. The link is only broken if you
remove that todo object and create a new one. If the app you used destroys
the old one and creates a new one in the new category, they're
braindamaged). So I'm not sure what happened..

	What app did you use to handle the todos? What operations in
Shadow?

> And, I guess this would be a feature request, Jeff... if there isn't 
> currently a way to re-attach the links, could this please be 
> something you add... the possibility to link to existing to do items, 
> in addition to creation (copy to database) and creation+linking (link 
> to database)?

	1) Delete item
	2) New From ..

		Jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: aschell2000@h...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:23pm
Subject: completed todo date question

I'm a new user, registered yesturday.  Just wondering about todo 
dates.  I have an item in shadow linked to a todo in datebk4. The due 
date on the todo was yesturday, so it's now one day overdue.  If I 
now check it off in shadow, then go to it in datebk 4, it has been 
checked off and moved back to the original due date, yet the finish 
date in shadow shows today as it should.  Now in datebk 4 it no 
longer gives me an accurate view as to when it was completed.  Is 
this normal behavior and I'm just doing something wrong?  Thanks.

From: ext555@p...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:49pm
Subject: Re: (actioneer O.T.)

Since you were referring to shadow, I'm assuming you mean the 
actioneer palm app? if so, you go to "options" "prefs" and un-
check "dated to-do to datebook". 
In the windows app the keyword "due" must be used to let actioneer 
know the dated item is a task and not a appt. 

hope that clears it up ,
Paul 
--- In shadow-discuss@y..., smasters@a... wrote:
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., ext555@p... wrote:
> > Actioneer can create a dated to-do without creating an appt. 
> > It' in the pref's section. 
> > 
> > hope that helps
> > Paul 
> > 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I can see how you can create an appt. without a dated todo, but I 
> don't see where there is a place to add a date to the todo without 
it 
> also going to date book. Or do I have to enter the date in the text 
> as a keyword?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 7:51pm
Subject: Re: completed todo date question

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 aschell2000@h... wrote:

> I'm a new user, registered yesturday.  Just wondering about todo 
> dates.  I have an item in shadow linked to a todo in datebk4. The due 
> date on the todo was yesturday, so it's now one day overdue.  If I 
> now check it off in shadow, then go to it in datebk 4, it has been 
> checked off and moved back to the original due date, yet the finish 
> date in shadow shows today as it should.  Now in datebk 4 it no 
> longer gives me an accurate view as to when it was completed.  Is 
> this normal behavior and I'm just doing something wrong?  Thanks.

	Woa, too much information in a small space ;)

	A linked item syncronizes data where possible; when you create a
todo item, Shadow copies the item target date into the todo, and
syncronizes it. A palm todo has only one date -- it does not have a
completion date and a target date, as it does in Shadow. So necessarily,
when shadow creates and syncs the todo to Shadow, it syncs the target
date.

	So..

	Create shadow ite, assign date, link to todo.
	In todo, you check it off, and the date becomes date of completion
	Shadow picks up this date and syncs it to the *target* date (not
		Shadow finish date)

	The reverse..

	Check it off in Shadow, finish date becomes today, target stays
the same.
	Datebk4 will show the item being checked, but the date will still
be the target date in shadow (unchanged).

	Is this your confusion?

	IF so, the problem is that the todo app really only has one date,
so workign with multiple dates becomes a pain :/

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: drumgirl313@y...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 8:12pm
Subject: RE: completed todo date question

>I'm a new user, registered yesturday.  Just wondering about todo
>dates.  I have an item in shadow linked to a todo in datebk4. The due
>date on the todo was yesturday, so it's now one day overdue.  If I
>now check it off in shadow, then go to it in datebk 4, it has been
>checked off and moved back to the original due date, yet the finish
>date in shadow shows today as it should.  Now in datebk 4 it no
>longer gives me an accurate view as to when it was completed.  Is
>this normal behavior and I'm just doing something wrong?  Thanks.

Open up the built-in todo app and tap the 'show' button.  Check the box next
to 'Record Completion Date' and that should fix your problem in DB4.

Gretchen

http://pugnut.tripod.com
********************************************
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From: smasters@a...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 8:29pm
Subject: Re: Another Odd Request

Jeff,

I guess this goes in the "someday maybe" file, which is perfectly 
fine. It's not that great of a priority for me, it just eliminates a 
couple of taps. Thanks for the reply.

Scott

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
 	It is possible, but its not something I want to worry about 
right
now .. (ie: To keep it open means to save what is in it somewhere, so 
that
when you come back to Shadow it could pull up what you had in it. ie: 
You
may have editted the text and links of an item, but not yet hit OK to 
save
them, so Shadow can't just stick them into the item. As it is right 
now,
it implicitly hits OK or CANCEL as appropriate ..)
 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: aschell2000@h...
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 8:46pm
Subject: Re: completed todo date question

Yeah that's my confusion.  So if I want to make sure an overdue item 
or a done early item stays on the day actually completed in datebook, 
I must check it complete in that application, not in shadow.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 aschell2000@h... wrote:
> 
> > I'm a new user, registered yesturday.  Just wondering about todo 
> > dates.  I have an item in shadow linked to a todo in datebk4. The 
due 
> > date on the todo was yesturday, so it's now one day overdue.  If 
I 
> > now check it off in shadow, then go to it in datebk 4, it has 
been 
> > checked off and moved back to the original due date, yet the 
finish 
> > date in shadow shows today as it should.  Now in datebk 4 it no 
> > longer gives me an accurate view as to when it was completed.  Is 
> > this normal behavior and I'm just doing something wrong?  Thanks.
> 
> 	Woa, too much information in a small space ;)
> 
> 	A linked item syncronizes data where possible; when you 
create a
> todo item, Shadow copies the item target date into the todo, and
> syncronizes it. A palm todo has only one date -- it does not have a
> completion date and a target date, as it does in Shadow. So 
necessarily,
> when shadow creates and syncs the todo to Shadow, it syncs the 
target
> date.
> 
> 	So..
> 
> 	Create shadow ite, assign date, link to todo.
> 	In todo, you check it off, and the date becomes date of 
completion
> 	Shadow picks up this date and syncs it to the *target* date 
(not
> 		Shadow finish date)
> 
> 	The reverse..
> 
> 	Check it off in Shadow, finish date becomes today, target 
stays
> the same.
> 	Datebk4 will show the item being checked, but the date will 
still
> be the target date in shadow (unchanged).
> 
> 	Is this your confusion?
> 
> 	IF so, the problem is that the todo app really only has one 
date,
> so workign with multiple dates becomes a pain :/
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2001 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: completed todo date question

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 aschell2000@h... wrote:

> Yeah that's my confusion.  So if I want to make sure an overdue item 
> or a done early item stays on the day actually completed in datebook, 
> I must check it complete in that application, not in shadow.

	Right; when you check it, Shadow ill pick up the check and adjust
the target date to fit the date of the item. Its one of those things that
has to be due to the way the palm todo apps work :/

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 aschell2000@h... wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm a new user, registered yesturday.  Just wondering about todo 
> > > dates.  I have an item in shadow linked to a todo in datebk4. The 
> due 
> > > date on the todo was yesturday, so it's now one day overdue.  If 
> I 
> > > now check it off in shadow, then go to it in datebk 4, it has 
> been 
> > > checked off and moved back to the original due date, yet the 
> finish 
> > > date in shadow shows today as it should.  Now in datebk 4 it no 
> > > longer gives me an accurate view as to when it was completed.  Is 
> > > this normal behavior and I'm just doing something wrong?  Thanks.
> > 
> > 	Woa, too much information in a small space ;)
> > 
> > 	A linked item syncronizes data where possible; when you 
> create a
> > todo item, Shadow copies the item target date into the todo, and
> > syncronizes it. A palm todo has only one date -- it does not have a
> > completion date and a target date, as it does in Shadow. So 
> necessarily,
> > when shadow creates and syncs the todo to Shadow, it syncs the 
> target
> > date.
> > 
> > 	So..
> > 
> > 	Create shadow ite, assign date, link to todo.
> > 	In todo, you check it off, and the date becomes date of 
> completion
> > 	Shadow picks up this date and syncs it to the *target* date 
> (not
> > 		Shadow finish date)
> > 
> > 	The reverse..
> > 
> > 	Check it off in Shadow, finish date becomes today, target 
> stays
> > the same.
> > 	Datebk4 will show the item being checked, but the date will 
> still
> > be the target date in shadow (unchanged).
> > 
> > 	Is this your confusion?
> > 
> > 	IF so, the problem is that the todo app really only has one 
> date,
> > so workign with multiple dates becomes a pain :/
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
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From: Roy van der Woning  <rvdw@x...>
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2001 7:55am
Subject: Re: Summary

> What I would like to do is to get an overview of all items in
> all, or some, lists that have a start date or target date (or
> undated) within the next 5 days or 7 days or ...

There's no way to do this in Shadow right now, but as a compromise 
you could use the "This week's target/starting items" filters. These 
will allow to to look ahead within the current week. Not exactly what 
you want, but better than nothing.

Jeff: maybe you could add a few more of these filters until a more 
flexible solution pops up at the top of your priority list?

Roy.

From: Jeff Mitchell