From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Michael R Kizer wrote:

>       I've used Cafe Press before ( http://www.cafepress.com ) to setup
> some branded merchandise for an indie magazine's website I did. Basically,

	Thats really cool. I'll look into it.

	I'd love a Codejedi mug :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:47pm
Subject: Month and year format for date columns?

Right now, if you enable the target date column, it is in month
and day. Is a List Pref for month and year (lose the day, add the
year) needed?

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: tsuchy tsuchy@y...  <tsuchy@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Month and year format for date columns?

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	Right now, if you enable the target date column, it is in month
> and day. Is a List Pref for month and year (lose the day, add the
> year) needed?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

It would be cool if you could make it act similar to UNIX 'ls', where
the year and month are displayed for entries greater than/less than a
year (not exactly like 'ls', but you know what i mean). Would be even
cooler if this interval could be configured (+/- x months).

If this is put in, will it honor the PalmOS preference for date
display? will it be a 4-digit year?

-Tom

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Month and year format for date columns?

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, tsuchy <tsuchy@y...> wrote:

> It would be cool if you could make it act similar to UNIX 'ls', where
> the year and month are displayed for entries greater than/less than a
> year (not exactly like 'ls', but you know what i mean). Would be even
> cooler if this interval could be configured (+/- x months).

	Hmm; thats an interesting idea.. ie: If it is "next year", and
more than 60 days away, then show it as yy/mm? (ie: If its dec 20th, and
the thign is 2 weeks away, you'd want to see month and days instead of
years, since its onyl a couple of weeks).

	The problem then becomes .. how do you know if its years and
months, or days and months, in the display? :/

	Ack, its never easy.

> If this is put in, will it honor the PalmOS preference for date
> display? will it be a 4-digit year?

	The issue hasn't even been honouring that pref.. it has been that
we need to keep the column as this as possible.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:18pm
Subject: Import Marked Todo Items bug

I can make this happen every time:
  1.. In the Todo app, in the Unfiled category, create four items (name the import prefix for a non-existent list):
    1.. [[[Mark]]]Parent1
    2.. [[[Mark]]]Parent2
    3.. [[[Mark]]]Child1
    4.. [[[Mark]]]Child1
  2.. In Shadow, in the Unfiled category, create a list called 'MarkedTest'.
  3.. Do an 'Import Marked Todo Items'. This will import the four items to the new list.
  4.. Open 'MarkedTest'.
  5.. Cut Child1 and Paste as Child to Parent1.
  6.. Cut Child2 and Paste as Child to Parent2.
  7.. Click the X to exit the list.
  8.. Bingo! MemoryMgr.c, Line:4340, NULL handle.
  9.. After the reset, an attempt to re-enter 'MarkedTest' will display the Broken Links warning (I don't suppress it). If you click No, the link for Child1 will be broken. Exiting the list now causes no problem.
Some details-
I'm running Shadow 2.7.2 on a Visor Prism with OS 3.5.2H. I'm running four Hacks : AppHack 1.01, TealEcho 2.41, ShadowLink 1.2.1 and Fast Cap Hack 1.08. I've got 1.6 MB of RAM free.

I really hope this bug is easily fixed because I would be using Shadow for Todo if not for it.

Jacob

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From: Jacob Share  <jacob@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:22pm
Subject: Re: Import Marked Todo Items bug

Correction:

    1.. [[[Mark]]]Parent1
    2.. [[[Mark]]]Parent2
    3.. [[[Mark]]]Child1
    4.. [[[Mark]]]Child2

Jacob
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jacob Share 
  To: Shadow Discuss 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:18 PM
  Subject: [shadow-discuss] Import Marked Todo Items bug


  I can make this happen every time:
    1.. In the Todo app, in the Unfiled category, create four items (name the import prefix for a non-existent list):
      1.. [[[Mark]]]Parent1
      2.. [[[Mark]]]Parent2
      3.. [[[Mark]]]Child1
      4.. [[[Mark]]]Child1
    2.. In Shadow, in the Unfiled category, create a list called 'MarkedTest'.
    3.. Do an 'Import Marked Todo Items'. This will import the four items to the new list.
    4.. Open 'MarkedTest'.
    5.. Cut Child1 and Paste as Child to Parent1.
    6.. Cut Child2 and Paste as Child to Parent2.
    7.. Click the X to exit the list.
    8.. Bingo! MemoryMgr.c, Line:4340, NULL handle.
    9.. After the reset, an attempt to re-enter 'MarkedTest' will display the Broken Links warning (I don't suppress it). If you click No, the link for Child1 will be broken. Exiting the list now causes no problem.
  Some details-
  I'm running Shadow 2.7.2 on a Visor Prism with OS 3.5.2H. I'm running four Hacks : AppHack 1.01, TealEcho 2.41, ShadowLink 1.2.1 and Fast Cap Hack 1.08. I've got 1.6 MB of RAM free.

  I really hope this bug is easily fixed because I would be using Shadow for Todo if not for it.

  Jacob

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From: Ken Stuart  <kstuart@e...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:33:14 -0500 (EST), Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:

>> (5) Backup (Backup) ((Backup))
>> 
>> You know why, don't make me tell you!  ;)
>
>	Amen ;) I burn a CD every week.. it takes a few CDs to burn the
>works.. so each week I burn a different section of my system.. so I have a
>rolling backup system that is not too painful. At worst, an y one
>component will be a month behind, at beats a few days. Pretty handy.
>
>	Be afraid. I bet you don't know many people whose raw email
>*text* is an entire CD. (Not including images, attachments, MS padding)

Aarggh !  Aarggh !

Go to www.techbargains.com and find a deal on a Hard Disk Drive.

Setup an automated backup to that Hard Drive for 4 am every day.

I just saved you enough time over the next couple of years to finish the entire
Desktop !  :-) :-)


--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:48pm
Subject: printout inclusion..

Should the printout from the desktop mirror the currently visible
stuff on the main screen? Which is to say.. if an item is collapsed in the
left panel of the main desktop screen, should it be collapsed in the
printout (and thus not reveal its children?)

	Eventually, this will reflect filter state as well; if you've
filtered something in the main screen, when you print.. should it also be
filtered?

	(I suppose I could put "print all" or "print current" so you can
have it do either as shown now, or everything, at print time)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Ken Stuart wrote:

> Setup an automated backup to that Hard Drive for 4 am every day.

	I used to do that; remember lightning came in and destroyed a half
dozen hard drives of mine 6mo back.. in different machines. That made me
very unhappy, and made me spend a thousand bucks on getting one of my
backup drives restored by hardcore magnetic data retrieval guys. Now I
backup to hard drives (of course), and to a pile of CDs in different
locations around :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Betsy Grimm  <b-grimm@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

<delurk>
That works as long as the backup hard drive doesn't die at the same time as the main computer. I had a double failure like that last month. Luckily (a) it really wasn't the main backup (that was a third computer) and (b) the laptop that died was covered by an extended warranty and was replaced with a unit with more bells & whistles! <g>
Betsy
<lurk>
 Ken Stuart <kstuart@e...> wrote:Aarggh ! Aarggh !

Go to www.techbargains.com and find a deal on a Hard Disk Drive.

Setup an automated backup to that Hard Drive for 4 am every day.

I just saved you enough time over the next couple of years to finish the entire
Desktop ! :-) :-)


--
Cheers,

Ken
kstuart@e...

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From: mzehner2000 matt_zehner@p...  <matt_zehner@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:56pm
Subject: Re: printout inclusion..

I'm sure people would like having the all/current option, but short 
of that I think that printing as shown on screen would be most 
intuitive and most useful for the majority - fiddle on the DT to get 
it just like you want it, then hit print and you're done. (This 
should apply to filters as well, I would think.)

Another option (and possibly non-exclusive, depending on how much/ 
how quickly the DT starts showing things like checkboxes) would be to 
have options (check/uncheck) in the print dialog to include checkbox, 
priority, dates, notes, etc. - like Excel allows you to include 
gridlines, column/row headings, etc. in the printout.  Of course, in 
Excel those options are on the Sheet tab of the Page Setup dialog; 
you'd have to decide where it would fit best.

Cheers,
Matt

P.S. I think it's critical to have the option to include/suppress 
note text in printouts, especially for sharing - I don't necessarily 
want to show people what I really think!

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	Should the printout from the desktop mirror the currently 
visible
> stuff on the main screen? Which is to say.. if an item is collapsed 
in the
> left panel of the main desktop screen, should it be collapsed in the
> printout (and thus not reveal its children?)
> 
> 	Eventually, this will reflect filter state as well; if you've
> filtered something in the main screen, when you print.. should it 
also be
> filtered?
> 
> 	(I suppose I could put "print all" or "print current" so you 
can
> have it do either as shown now, or everything, at print time)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:59pm
Subject: Re: printout inclusion..

Yes, have a "print all" button for the entire list, and a "print 
current" (view) button to print what we have displayed.  We use our 
filters to give us specific items on the screen, the logical 
progression from that states that we might need to print out those 
results in that filtered state.
   Otherwise I'll have to do *more* text editing to get the printout 
I need (am I the only person who has to use three different text-
processing programs to get one printout?).  At least I have my 
macros...

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	Should the printout from the desktop mirror the currently 
visible
> stuff on the main screen? Which is to say.. if an item is collapsed 
in the
> left panel of the main desktop screen, should it be collapsed in the
> printout (and thus not reveal its children?)
> 
> 	Eventually, this will reflect filter state as well; if you've
> filtered something in the main screen, when you print.. should it 
also be
> filtered?
> 
> 	(I suppose I could put "print all" or "print current" so you 
can
> have it do either as shown now, or everything, at print time)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:05pm
Subject: Re: printout inclusion..

Heh, if people knew what I really thought, I'd either be looking 
for a new job or be president.
   I agree with that sentiment, though, note suppression and tab 
suppression... I haven't played with my desktop much, does it have an 
export to text-file function?


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "mzehner2000 
> 
> P.S. I think it's critical to have the option to include/suppress 
> note text in printouts, especially for sharing - I don't 
necessarily 
> want to show people what I really think!
>

From: ROYLE Anthony  <anthony.royle@t...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

> 	3150 discontinued now; is the 3200 the new (and 
> worse!?) version?
> 
> 		jeff

Sadly yes. When I bought mine the 3150 was still available, and the 3200 was the new 'also does colour' and (I think) 1200 vs 600 DPI version. I'd have thought ebay would be a good source of 3150's.

Biggest bugbear for me is the (un)reliability of the auto document feeder. It's bad enough when it jams, but crashing the driver is well below HP's standards. 

>

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:46pm
Subject: Ebooks

As an avid reader and part-time collector of paperbacks (approx 
1,000 and counting), I like to hold on to my books.  I reread my 
favorites every couple years or so (I'm on my fifth set of Lord of 
the Rings).  I don't mind buying eBooks if: A) the price is better 
than hardcover (even paperbacks are getting prohibitively expensive), 
and B) I can archive the book on CD or whatever and upload it to my 
PDA when I want to read it again.
   A book sure beats playing solitaire on the damn thing when I am 
waiting in a line somewhere.
   I agree with Jeff, though, too many standards; some support 
desktop only, or the *evil* Microsquish CE and desktop only, etc.  Am 
I being naive in thinking that HTML or XML is good enough for text-
only books?  Those formats will be supported for the next five, ten 
years, and we would be able to import them and convert to the next 
format...
   But then there's the "piracy" issue, I guess... good thing the 
publishing industry was never as rabid as the MPAA, or copiers and 
scanners would be entirely different animals ;)

> 
> 	eBooks have a variety of issues that anyone can list, and 
thats
> all personal taste. I read one book at a time (never 5!), and I 
knock it
> off in 2-3 days. A high res screen doesn't halfway approach the 
resolutino
> of a paperback, and the paperback is easier to look at for a few 
horus
> straight. Anyway, the main limitation is..
> 
> 	I've never found an ebook of a book I wanted, or in a format I
> coudl accept.
> 
> 	The publishers are not behind ebooks yet in a useful way.. 
ie: The
> latest Carl Hiaason book comes out.. can't get it in ebook format. 
The
> latest Steven Brust, or any old Isaac Asimov or the like.. nope.
> 
> 	On occasion an ebook will come out that I might maybe want to
> experiment with.. but then its in some digital rights crappy 
mechanism,
> meaning that I won't likely be able to read it in a year or two 
when they
> stop supporting that format...
> 
> 	ie: If an ebook costs the same as a real book, and with a real
> book I'm assurred I can reread it 20 years form now.. done deal :) 
I'll
> never support a mechanism which removes my rights :/
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:52pm
Subject: Re: What do you hate? :)

I made an entry into SP and linked it to my datebook; it put the 
appt in the right day, but it sat on top of my time-chart.
   Jeff, how about causing the link to open up the datebook for that 
day, so we can set the time?  Could you cause it to close back up and 
return to SP?


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "pr1tch <Jeff_Pritchard@T...>" 
<Jeff_Pritchard@T...> wrote:
> This is what I want: 
> Enter an item in SP. Set the date and time and create a linked Date 
> Book item. As it is I have to go in and out a coulpe of times.
>

From: fehrmantool edf@f...  <edf@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:13pm
Subject: Re: REPEATED Feature Request

> right hand arrow, it woudl have topeek in the 
> list and see the current status, and then give 
> you the option "enable sync" or "disable sync"?

I would like this feature also.

Another way to implement it would be to add a "details" selection 
under the "right arrow" drop down menu.

This "details" option could bring up a popup window that merged 
several options/details on one screen... for example:
- Backup (checkbox)
- Category
- Rename
- Delete button
- Is outline searched by the global "Find" (checkbox)

QuickWord and QuickSheet offer the same type of popup menu and they 
combine those 5 options in one "details" box and it works pretty 
well... with one quick selection you can change several details about 
that one file... VERY udeful.

Hope that helps!
Eric Fehrman

From: bstryd610 bstryd@a...  <bstryd@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:21pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

OK -- I'm late to this conversation and I have only read half the 
thread (esp. when it went to scanners) but there are two things 
necessary for this to happen for me:
   Either:
1 - Shadow loading from a hard button (I know, it does) AND loading a 
selected start file EVERY time so new todo's don't take more taps, 
pushes and swipes
    OR
2 - The automatic import of new todo's made in DateBk5.

Shadow still has a (sorry) torture routine for quickly choosing 
catagory. And ShadowToday could be a real winner here. It just takes 
too long for me ('course, old Vx) to use it as my front end. These 
changes could help.

FWIW -- I'd by a Shadow mug or something, too, if it had a really 
cool graphic on it --- maybe even a t-shirt or cap.

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> 	I hearby swear I will, as others have sworn, endeaver to use 
no
> more paper in my office. Like the Japanese TV show where the guy 
lived in
> an apartment (unable to leave) and only getting food by winning 
radio and
> television shows, I will use Shadow and my datebook for everything. 
Time
> to start figuring out how to ditch the ToDo entirely, and I'll 
scrawl no
> more little notes here or there. I'll start carrying my ultra thin
> keyboard, and efficiency *will* increase. We shall see!
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: Adam Coleman  <acoleman@w...>
Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:34pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman...(OT)

> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:22:14 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
> Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..
>
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Ken Stuart wrote:
>
>> > I can't stand ebooks, because
>> >normal physical paper books need no power, and just feel good :)
>>
>> That's because you blew it and bought the Tungsten-T instead of the 
>> NX60. :-)
>
> 	Oooh, thems fighting words ;)
>
> 	but since you started it..
>
> 	eBooks have a variety of issues that anyone can list, and thats
> all personal taste. I read one book at a time (never 5!), and I knock it
> off in 2-3 days. A high res screen doesn't halfway approach the 
> resolutino
> of a paperback, and the paperback is easier to look at for a few horus
> straight. Anyway, the main limitation is..
>
> 	I've never found an ebook of a book I wanted, or in a format I
> coudl accept.
>
> 	The publishers are not behind ebooks yet in a useful way.. ie: The
> latest Carl Hiaason book comes out.. can't get it in ebook format. The
> latest Steven Brust, or any old Isaac Asimov or the like.. nope.
>
> 	On occasion an ebook will come out that I might maybe want to
> experiment with.. but then its in some digital rights crappy mechanism,
> meaning that I won't likely be able to read it in a year or two when they
> stop supporting that format...
>
> 	ie: If an ebook costs the same as a real book, and with a real
> book I'm assurred I can reread it 20 years form now.. done deal :) I'll
> never support a mechanism which removes my rights :/
>
> 		jeff
>
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"
>

Just a couple of thoughts on e-books.

Most of the books I have read the last couple of years have been on my 
Palm. It seems I only have time to read these days when I am on travel, and 
I like having a book or two in my Visor rather than having to carry 
something else.

I have bought several e-books, but only in open formats, like doc or text. 
A couple of good sources to check out are Fictionwise and Baen. No copy 
protection, etc. OK, I can't get all the latest books in this format, but I 
have found more good books than I have time to read.

I don't mind reading on my low-resolution screen. If the story is good I 
soon forget the screen (and if it is not, paper won't help!) But I 
certainly wouldn't blame anyone who spends spends as much time as you must 
Jeff, staring at computer and handheld screens from not wanting to do it 
for leisure!!

Adam

-- 
Adam Coleman
Dayton, OH
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings." -- Prov 25:2

From: podemskir podemskir@y...  <podemskir@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:55am
Subject: Re: printout inclusion..

Jeff, thanks for asking about print preferences on the DT.  I second 
Matt's observations and suggestions.  I would like checkboxes in 
addition to whatever data fields you will program into the DT.  It 
would be nice to have a header or some way to print the name of the 
list.  Then, after you sort and filter the list you can click on the 
print icon and print what you see.  I can then carry around the 
printed list throughout the day as a reference, make notes, and 
update the handheld later.  It will be nice to see a printed list at 
a glance.

Richard
--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "mzehner2000 
<matt_zehner@p...>" <matt_zehner@p...> wrote:
> I'm sure people would like having the all/current option, but 
short 
> of that I think that printing as shown on screen would be most 
> intuitive and most useful for the majority - fiddle on the DT to 
get 
> it just like you want it, then hit print and you're done. (This 
> should apply to filters as well, I would think.)
> 
> Another option (and possibly non-exclusive, depending on how much/ 
> how quickly the DT starts showing things like checkboxes) would be 
to 
> have options (check/uncheck) in the print dialog to include 
checkbox, 
> priority, dates, notes, etc. - like Excel allows you to include 
> gridlines, column/row headings, etc. in the printout.  Of course, 
in 
> Excel those options are on the Sheet tab of the Page Setup dialog; 
> you'd have to decide where it would fit best.
> 
> Cheers,
> Matt
> 
> P.S. I think it's critical to have the option to include/suppress 
> note text in printouts, especially for sharing - I don't 
necessarily 
> want to show people what I really think!

From: Mike McLean  <mikes.mailinglists@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:23am
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Griff [mailto:lists@t...]
> 
> I think some of it might be dependant on what types of books one reads.
> I generally only read time management/self help/organization books.  If
> I were big into fiction, I think I'd want the paperback.

I haven't read a real, paper, fiction book since I got my Sony. It is mainly
the backlight that helps, I can read at night without a light to bother the
wife and read at night in a tent on the weekends.

> The light thing is the biggest advantage IMO.  Never have to reach up
> and turn off the light.  You can read in different positions and not
> worry about how the light will be.

Yep

From: Mike McLean  <mikes.mailinglists@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:34am
Subject: RE: An idea for easier viewing

> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> 
> 
> 	I've considered this, too.. a them setting for "filter active, but
> unmatched item".
> 
> 	It could be implemented.

Make it so!

(Just a suggestion)

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:05am
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

What you wear in your personal life is your bussiness.

So what do the new thongs look like if we already got a classic one?????
:)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael R Kizer [mailto:mkizer@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 09:57
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Re: Confessions of a madman..
>
>
>
>
> >            My gutt instinct is "what, you're kidding". But that could be
> cool
> >:) So there woul be two sales (one for you, one for me) at least :) A
> >codejedi mug would be cool at user groups and such, too.
>       I've used Cafe Press before ( http://www.cafepress.com ) to setup
> some branded merchandise for an indie magazine's website I did. Basically,
> you supply the logos for their list of merchandise and bam, you have an
> online shop of goodies. Here is a list of their products:
> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/index.aspx
> Looks like they have quite a bit more than when I used them ( hmmm, a
> CodeJedi "Classic Thong"? dunno about that one ;-)
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:40am
Subject: RE: New poll for shadow-discuss

i would, just in the sense that your subsequent explanation explained it
much better.  you may have results that don't reflect what people think it
means.  my thoughts, your choice!
Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:29 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] New poll for shadow-discuss


On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:

> So, based upon the somewhat confusing wording of the poll question, i'm
> assuming a "yes" means when a deep item is selected and i click on
"Collapse
> All" the deep item will not be visible and will be collapsed along with
> everything else.  Whereas now the selected deep item stays visible and not
> collapsed.  Correct?

      Correct; perhaps I should edit or repost the poll?

            jeff

> Kevin
>  
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:24 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] New poll for shadow-discuss
> 
> 
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Kevin Giberson wrote:
> 
> > Not sure I understand exactly what is being asked...
> 
>       Try List -> Collapse All, with and withotu a deep item selected.
> 
>             jeff
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From: Kevin Giberson  <kevin@g...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:28am
Subject: RE: An idea for easier viewing

just sounds a lot easier to do the single child level, next item link to to
do database after previous child checked.  my thoughts from the readings.
Enjoy,
Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:42 AM
To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] An idea for easier viewing


On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Geraldine wrote:

> I believe the subject of how to view only children or next actions etc
> has come up a lot.  It occur to me that to make the filtered selection
> (e.g. @errands) appear more obvious than the unmatching etc would half
> solve the problem.
> 
> I.E and E.G When I create a filter for a GTD action I don't really
> want to see the parents (yes, I like to keep actions under their
> projects headings rather than in a separate list).  I can't imagine
> how it could possibly work without massive confusion to actually hide
> the parents though, so I wondered about the possibilty of "greying"
> the non-matching items.  What would stand out on the screen in normal
> colour/black would be the actual items matching the filter, and then
> all the unmatching parents, which have to appear for the sake of
> structure, could be paler, and would not distract the eye.  Could this
> be a theme option perhaps?

      I've considered this, too.. a them setting for "filter active, but
unmatched item".

      It could be implemented.

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From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:37am
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

Interesting actually...I just realized I can actually read ebooks for
more than 20 minutes without falling asleep.  Seems every time I open up
a paper book I get drowsy 10-15 minutes into reading. 

> 
> 	eBooks have a variety of issues that anyone can list, and thats
> all personal taste. I read one book at a time (never 5!), and I knock
it
> off in 2-3 days. A high res screen doesn't halfway approach the
resolutino
> of a paperback, and the paperback is easier to look at for a few horus
> straight. Anyway, the main limitation is..
>

From: Rita  <rblanzan@i...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:01am
Subject: RE: Confessions of a madman..

When I fall asleep reading a paper book it hurts when it smacks me in the
face as it falls out of my hands, hard cover books especially, hit hard.
The HH does not hurt.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Griff [mailto:lists@t...]
> Sent: 26 February 2003 3:38 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [shadow-discuss] Confessions of a madman..
>
>
> Interesting actually...I just realized I can actually read ebooks for
> more than 20 minutes without falling asleep.  Seems every time I open up
> a paper book I get drowsy 10-15 minutes into reading.
>
> >
> > 	eBooks have a variety of issues that anyone can list, and thats
> > all personal taste. I read one book at a time (never 5!), and I knock
> it
> > off in 2-3 days. A high res screen doesn't halfway approach the
> resolutino
> > of a paperback, and the paperback is easier to look at for a few horus
> > straight. Anyway, the main limitation is..
> >
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From: Tom Allebrandi  <tom@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:16am
Subject: Sync request flag not set?

Hi!

I've got three databases on my Palm that don't seem to make it up to my PC
during HotSync. For each one I see

#   SKIPPING: Sync request flag not set. (37 recs)

in the log.

I must be overlooking something, but I don't see anything that lets me set a
"sync flag". How do I get these to HotSync?

Thanks!

--- tom
tom allebrandi
tom@y...

From: Griff  <lists@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:43am
Subject: RE: Re: Confessions of a madman..

Hmm, now the question is coffee mug or frosted beer mug...I might just
buy both. 

> 
> 	My gutt instinct is "what, you're kidding". But that could be
cool
> :) So there woul be two sales (one for you, one for me) at least :) A
> codejedi mug would be cool at user groups and such, too.
> 
> 	I'll think about it :)
> 
> 		jeff

From: tarasofsky Tarasofsky@t...  <Tarasofsky@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:47am
Subject: returning to an unfiltered view

I have a minor suggestion.  I have noticed that if one is using a 
filter and then removes the filter, that the unfiltered list opens 
from the top.  Wouldn't it be more convenient if the item last 
highlighted in the filtered list stayed wherever it was on the screen 
when the filter is removed?  (Am I being clear?).  The way things are 
now, I have to often scroll down a fair bit to find my place again.

Richard

From: franklinstaiwan billf@t...  <billf@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 9:28am
Subject: Re: Outliners & the nature of information

I am also a former user of Ecco and have been looking for something 
that could even come close to it ever since its demise (and my office 
put us all on Outlook). 

I have also thought before that Shadow could come close someday, but 
it's really still a long way off. If the tags were links to other 
folders, where the tagged data would appear but could be arranged in 
that folder as some other item's parent or child, then it would just 
about make it. But, I doubt that is possible without major rewriting. 

Till then, I'm enjoying Shadow for what it is. It is still the best 
outliner that I have found, and it is getting better. But, the old 
Ecco is still available on the web, and now for free, so I've been 
wishing that someone would try it out and say, "Wow, I could write 
something like that for the Palm." That's the one program that I'd 
really be willing to pay almost any price for. It was that good. 

Thanks for Shadow, though, Jeff. 

Bill

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, scnunes2@a... wrote:
> Fellow Shadow users - I have been following along on all the 
feature requests 
> and especially people's comments on the use of Tags. Without 
meaning to cause 
> offense, we need to cut Jeff some slack, because it seems that some 
users 
> would like Shadow to do everything, and fry eggs too!!. 
> He has created a wonderful, useful program.
> I gather that the frequent references to "GTD" (please excuse if I 
state the 
> obvious) relate to a methodology of "Getting Things Done". 
> I also subscribe to the Ecco Pro message board, a program that, 
before it 
> ceased to be supported and updated, did for the PC World what I 
think Shadow 
> is coming to do for the Palm.
> With that in mind, I hope you all will indulge me if I post on this 
board 
> what I thought made Ecco so useful. There is a plug for Shadow in 
there, and 
> if you substitute Shadow for Ecco as you read, the post is I 
believe 
> relevant, and will hopefuly express what we feel about a great PIM.
> Hopefully, it also gives some ideas about what we'd lkie to see in 
a desktop 
> for the program when that matures.
> Cheers - 
> 
> ....
> In commenting on your post, let me say that I am not a programmer 
or person 
> with strong technical IT skills. However, it seems to me as an avid 
Ecco user 
> that one of the overiding features that made it such a great 
program was the 
> fact that information captured in it could be made 
multidemensional, or could 
> be looked at in more than one way by assigning it to one or more 
folders. 
> This ability to chrachterize information in many ways is something 
that we 
> humans try to do as a matter of course and is natural to us in 
thinking and 
> assimilating information.
> For example, I might capture a series of notes (as a parent item 
with several 
> children) in Ecco that was from a meeting, so I would  assign it to 
my 
> "Meetings" folder, and have a record, all in one place of all my 
meetings. 
> That meeting was about a project, so I'd assign that item to the 
folder I 
> created for that project and have a record of all my activities for 
that 
> project, and it  resulted in some action items for some people, so 
I'd assign 
> the action items children to the folders for those people so I 
could see 
> track the items for follow up. 
> All this by a single unified set of data noted in one place but 
given many 
> properties which place it in other relationships Within those 
relationships, 
> Ecco allows you to see the original context of the information .
> This is very useful when one has tons of information coming at 
oneself (I 
> deal with over 30 emails a day and can have 10 or 11 processes 
going on at 
> once, all of which are time critical or must be recorded in some 
way or 
> another). Most of this information is not contact driven but rather 
task or 
> project driven, hence ruling out ACT, and is often not a formal 
project, 
> hence ruling out MS Project.
> The need to manage this type of information (and so much of it at 
once) goes 
> beyond the mere ability of a program to help you structure 
information in a 
> two-dimensional heirachy. An outline is a useful means of 
clarifying 
> information, yes, but I'd be willing to bet that what made true 
believers of 
> us users of Ecco is this further ability that I outline above. It 
is also 
> what makes Ecco unique, because it's basic outline format helped to 
do this 
> so well. 
> Outlook can do this somewhat - you can charachterize information 
with mutiple 
> categories, and see that single information item in multiple 
categories if 
> you sort the "list view" by category, but it is not as neat or 
> all-encompassing as Ecco was - you get your journals in one folder, 
your 
> e-mails in another folder, your tasks in a third. I want it all 
like I had it 
> in Ecco - all of that in one place!!.
> Ecco also allowed you to build new fields and has a super fast find 
function 
> - not the case in Outlook if you are searching through over 2000 
items!! (And 
> apparently My Corporate IT group has blocked me from building my 
own forms in 
> Outlook with Exchange as the back end - even in my own personal 
folders).
> Finally can I put in a plug for one of my favorite Palm programs   
that has 
> some of this multidemnsional ability and is an outliner, but is 
written for 
> the Palm operating System - Shadow (See WWW.Codejedi.com and the 
Shadow user 
> group on Yahoo). In this program, Outline items can have 
multiple "Tags" 
> (sort of an extension of the Palm Categories idea) and you can 
filter your 
> outlines on that basis. Items can also be linked to show up in 
several 
> popular appointment & to-do programs such as the standard Palm apps 
and 
> DateBk5. (I am a user of the program, not in any way involved with 
it's 
> development or marketing). I have tried to get the author to build 
a conduit 
> to Ecco ( the tags on the Palm could in my view easily equate to 
folders in 
> Ecco and the two would be a terrific compliment to one another) but 
he's got 
> a companion desktop product of his own. 
> Maybe if we all started a write-in campaign on the Yahoo Shadow 
User group 
> forum???
> I apologise to the forum if I went on too long with this  post, or 
if 
> something I said is obtuse or not clear. I have been trying to 
clarify my 
> thoughts on what distinguished Ecco from all the other PIMS (and I 
have tried 
> quite a few of them) there have been at one time or another, and 
finally was 
> able to express it as I have above. I hope this helps the orginal 
poster on 
> this message with his program development.
> 
> Looking forward to any one else's thoughts on the matter.

From: tes08558 sicora@e...  <sicora@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 0:36pm
Subject: Why only 3 auto numbering levels

This was probably asked before, but why only 3 auto numbering levels?
 Why not 6?  I have recently went beyond the 3rd level and the info
gets kind of lost without level numbers.

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 0:44pm
Subject: RE: Why only 3 auto numbering levels

I kinda wondered that too.



> This was probably asked before, but why only 3 auto numbering levels?
>  Why not 6?  I have recently went beyond the 3rd level and the info
> gets kind of lost without level numbers.

From: Geraldine  <suleika@b...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:08pm
Subject: Re: An idea for easier viewing

Hmm.  Not quite, although thank you for the suggestion.

1. I don't let things go automatically into my todo database.  I plan weekly
and nightly instead.
2. It's not only action tags with which I have this problem.  EG. I might
mark and then filter for certain sub-projects or actions as tomorrow or this
week, and in this case too I prefer to see more clearly the exact items for
which I have filtered.

By the way, has anyone had messages go missing?  I have two that have still
not showed up after 24 hours and two attempts.

Geraldine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Giberson" <kevin@g...>

> just sounds a lot easier to do the single child level, next item link to
to
> do database after previous child checked.  my thoughts from the readings.
> Enjoy,

From: Joseph B. Welsh  <jwelsh@W...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Sync request flag not set?

Tom,

In each of the list you want to sync, got to List > preferences 
You should se a check box that reads sychronize.

I am assuming, of course, you have the desktop app installed

Joe

On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 01:16, Tom Allebrandi wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I've got three databases on my Palm that don't seem to make it up to my PC
> during HotSync. For each one I see
> 
> #   SKIPPING: Sync request flag not set. (37 recs)
> 
> in the log.
> 
> I must be overlooking something, but I don't see anything that lets me set a
> "sync flag". How do I get these to HotSync?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --- tom
> tom allebrandi
> tom@y...
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From: Tom Allebrandi  <tom@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:10pm
Subject: RE: Sync request flag not set?

> In each of the list you want to sync, got to List > preferences
> You should se a check box that reads sychronize.

Doh!

I had seen that flag on one of my lists but it was already checked. I'll bet
I was looking at one of the lists that was already syncing properly ;-)

I just went through and the three lists that were not syncing did not have
that item checked. They do now and they synced just fine.

Thanks!

--- tom
tom allebrandi
tom@y...

From: Kevin C. Coram kcoram@a...  <kcoram@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:36pm
Subject: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

Does anyone know of a utility that works under PalmOS 5 that could be
used to open Shadow with a specific database? I'm in process of
switching over to Shadow for all of my memos, rather than using the
Memopad, and it would be nice if I could use the memo button to open
Shadow with my "memos" database.

I could use Piki to do this on my old Palm, but MegaWiki/Piki doesn't
work on PalmOS 5. (Or so I read on the MegaWiki board; I haven't
actually tried it on my new Clie.)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: printout inclusion..

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, dngrsone <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...> wrote:

>    Heh, if people knew what I really thought, I'd either be looking 
> for a new job or be president.

	*g*

>    I agree with that sentiment, though, note suppression and tab 
> suppression... I haven't played with my desktop much, does it have an 
> export to text-file function?

	It has a basic text export .. included I think are only the title
texts and notes. Next update will include a CSV export so you can get all
the goods.

		jeff

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From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:25pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

My problem, if you can believe this, is that the backlight on my 
Clie is *too* freakin' bright.  I haven't been able to find any way 
to reduce its brightness, and of course Sony, like any other major 
corp, doesn't return my emails for assistance.
   So, anyway, I was saying that the backlight is actually a 
hindrance for me most of the time, but I enjoy the portability of the 
PDA and since I have it on me most of the time, it would be handy to 
have a book or two on it to while away my time waiting for whatever 
services I am standing in line and paying too much for.

> 
> I haven't read a real, paper, fiction book since I got my Sony. It 
is mainly
> the backlight that helps, I can read at night without a light to 
bother the
> wife and read at night in a tent on the weekends.
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: What do you hate? :)

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, dngrsone <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...> wrote:

>    I made an entry into SP and linked it to my datebook; it put the 
> appt in the right day, but it sat on top of my time-chart.
>    Jeff, how about causing the link to open up the datebook for that 
> day, so we can set the time?  Could you cause it to close back up and 
> return to SP?

	When you do a goto, it jumps to the detail window in your
preferred datebook application; if you have "return after goto" set, then
hitting the Home button will jump back to Shadow, where you were. So it
more or less does what is needed now, except that the above process canbe
slow or annoying depending on a lot of factors.

	So I do intend on adding some conveniance functions to let you set
the time or date.

		jeff

> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "pr1tch <Jeff_Pritchard@T...>" 
> <Jeff_Pritchard@T...> wrote:
> > This is what I want: 
> > Enter an item in SP. Set the date and time and create a linked Date 
> > Book item. As it is I have to go in and out a coulpe of times.
> > 
> 
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, bstryd610 <bstryd@a...> wrote:

> OK -- I'm late to this conversation and I have only read half the 
> thread (esp. when it went to scanners) but there are two things 
> necessary for this to happen for me:

>    Either:
> 1 - Shadow loading from a hard button (I know, it does) AND loading a 
> selected start file EVERY time so new todo's don't take more taps, 
> pushes and swipes
>     OR
> 2 - The automatic import of new todo's made in DateBk5.

	Howabout both?

	1) Its on my list to add soon
	2) Is in the beta I posted a few days back :)

> Shadow still has a (sorry) torture routine for quickly choosing 
> catagory. And ShadowToday could be a real winner here. It just takes 

	Chosing categories is hard? how so? You can do it in a list, or
outside of a list with I think 2-3 taps.

> FWIW -- I'd by a Shadow mug or something, too, if it had a really 
> cool graphic on it --- maybe even a t-shirt or cap.

	I never thoguht people would care :) *sniff* :)

	What about the Codejedi logo on a black mug, or on a T-shirt?

	I'll make a poll; if enough people are interested, I'll set it up.

		jeff

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From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: ebooks

LOL
   No, but it does lost in the bedding.  Then the wife rolls over and 
sleeps on it.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Rita" <rblanzan@i...> wrote:
> When I fall asleep reading a paper book it hurts when it smacks me 
in the
> face as it falls out of my hands, hard cover books especially, hit 
hard.
> The HH does not hurt.
> 
>

From: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:34pm
Subject: New poll for shadow-discuss

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
shadow-discuss group:

It's been suggested we offer some simple
merchandise such as Codejedi coffee mugs
or T-shirts or the like. If some number
of people are interested, I can look
into setting this up in an online store
(someone kindly pointed us to a service
that can make small quantity merchandise
on demand). Now all we need are cute
girls and guys for Codejedi models (and
no, you'll not get a photo of yours
truly in Codejedi-briefs, thats for sure ;)

So the question is.. would you want to
buy a mug or T-shirt or other merchandise?

Please check all that apply please! 

  o Really, I wouldn't bother 
  o I'd be interested in Codejedi-logo gear 
  o I'd be interested in Shadow Plan logo gear 
  o I'd be interested in XCade-logo gear 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/surveys?id=1042205  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Sync request flag not set?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Tom Allebrandi wrote:

> I've got three databases on my Palm that don't seem to make it up to my PC
> during HotSync. For each one I see
> 
> #   SKIPPING: Sync request flag not set. (37 recs)
> 
> in the log.
> 
> I must be overlooking something, but I don't see anything that lets me set a
> "sync flag". How do I get these to HotSync?

	On List Prefs on the right you'll see a checkbox "Sync"; if must
be set for the list to want to be synced.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:41pm
Subject: Re: Why only 3 auto numbering levels

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, tes08558 <sicora@e...> wrote:

> This was probably asked before, but why only 3 auto numbering levels?
>  Why not 6?  I have recently went beyond the 3rd level and the info
> gets kind of lost without level numbers.

	You can still manually turn on the autonumbers at any depth, of
course.

	I may put more levels in, or anothe mechanism. Its just not fit
into the UI until recently with the tabbed interface ;)

	Bug me if you want it. It is lower on my list, buit if lots of
people want it, it can raise up.

	(I keep a tallyof number of people makming requests for different
things. I'm that sick. :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:45pm
Subject: File List categories

Jeff,

   When i hit DONE on one of my lists and go to the file menu, SP 
shows only the file category of the file I just closed.  Is there any 
way we can get it to just show ALL, or set a default category for the 
files we use most?
   Actually, I really don't need the categories at all, since I have 
only a handful of files, I suppose I could just leave them all under 
UNFILED, but that question came to mind.

From: Justin Nelson  <justinn@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 844

Heeey! A fan of Carl Hiaasen! Good stuff!

At 21:56 25/02/2003 +0000, Jeff wrote:
>The
>latest Carl Hiaason book comes out.. can't get it in ebook format.

Justin Nelson (using a Palm Tungsten T with OS v.5, DateBk5 and ShadowPlan 
in particular)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

As an FYI, I hope to include this in the next update or two of
Shadow.

		jeff

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Kevin C. Coram <kcoram@a...> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a utility that works under PalmOS 5 that could be
> used to open Shadow with a specific database? I'm in process of
> switching over to Shadow for all of my memos, rather than using the
> Memopad, and it would be nice if I could use the memo button to open
> Shadow with my "memos" database.
> 
> I could use Piki to do this on my old Palm, but MegaWiki/Piki doesn't
> work on PalmOS 5. (Or so I read on the MegaWiki board; I haven't
> actually tried it on my new Clie.)
> 
> 
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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:37pm
Subject: Re: File List categories

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, dngrsone <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...> wrote:

>    When i hit DONE on one of my lists and go to the file menu, SP 
> shows only the file category of the file I just closed.  Is there any 
> way we can get it to just show ALL, or set a default category for the 
> files we use most?
>    Actually, I really don't need the categories at all, since I have 
> only a handful of files, I suppose I could just leave them all under 
> UNFILED, but that question came to mind.

	If you're in All, and don't change a file at all, it'll return to
All (I think); if you change a file, it'll return to the category that
file is normally in. If you're in a category, it always returns to that
category.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:48pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:34, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> As an FYI, I hope to include this in the next update or
> two of Shadow.

How will this work Jeff? Looking forward to this one.

- Robert

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:05pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:34, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > As an FYI, I hope to include this in the next update or
> > two of Shadow.
> 
> How will this work Jeff? Looking forward to this one.

	Global pref -> file to open on load -> pick file.

	Then it'll always try and open that file (from RAM).

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Kevin C. Coram kcoram@a...  <kcoram@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

Cool, but not quite what I was looking for. I wouldn't always want to
open the same file -- just if I started Shadow using the 'Memo'
button. Starting from the launcher, I'd like Shadow to work the way it
does now, ie. starting up in the state I last left it.

I wish I knew a little Palm programming. Since the global Find can
open Shadow right to an entry that it finds, in whichever Shadow list
it happened to be in, there's got to be a way to make little launching
apps that fire up Shadow with a specific database ... Actually, I'm
tempted to try to write something like this as a first
Palm-programming project. In my copious spare time ;/

Then I could wire the ToDo button to my Shadow To-Do list, the Memo
button to my Shadow Memos list, etc. :)

--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...>
wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:34, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > > As an FYI, I hope to include this in the next update or
> > > two of Shadow.
> > 
> > How will this work Jeff? Looking forward to this one.
> 
> 	Global pref -> file to open on load -> pick file.
> 
> 	Then it'll always try and open that file (from RAM).
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:20pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:05, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:34, Jeff Mitchell 
wrote:
> > > As an FYI, I hope to include this in the next update
> > > or two of Shadow.
> >
> > How will this work Jeff? Looking forward to this one.
>
> 	Global pref -> file to open on load -> pick file.
>
> 	Then it'll always try and open that file (from RAM).

I see. So I can only select one using this feature, and I 
will *always* get that one loaded, which may be bit too 
much for me.

I was hoping for something that is implemented in Launcher X 
(and prolly some other launchers as well). It allows you to 
set a doc reader and some other apps in global prefs. If 
you do, the associated databases are shown as selectable 
items in the launcher window. This way I can start Isilo by 
tapping any Isilo file.

Now I don't expect you to hack Launcher X (though support 
for SP would be great), but as a workaround maybe you could 
create a couple of thin dummy apps that work as a shortcut 
to one of my shadow lists. Selecting the app using any of 
the available launcher methods would launch SP with the 
associated list. If I could do this with, say, 4 lists I 
would be more than happy. That would mean 4 nearly 
identical apps.

Does this sound *very* stupid? ;)

- Robert

From: Morgan Young  <morgan@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

> I never thoguht people would care :) *sniff* :)
> 
> What about the Codejedi logo on a black mug, or on a T-shirt?

Nope, it has got to be a Shadow logo!

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:22, Morgan Young wrote:
> > I never thoguht people would care :) *sniff* :)
> >
> > What about the Codejedi logo on a black mug, or on a
> > T-shirt?
>
> Nope, it has got to be a Shadow logo!

Right! Who cares about Codejedi! ;P

- Robert

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Kevin C. Coram <kcoram@a...> wrote:

> I wish I knew a little Palm programming. Since the global Find can
> open Shadow right to an entry that it finds, in whichever Shadow list
> it happened to be in, there's got to be a way to make little launching
> apps that fire up Shadow with a specific database ... Actually, I'm
> tempted to try to write something like this as a first
> Palm-programming project. In my copious spare time ;/

	Pretty easily done, that.

	Most launchers have a way of launching-to-file already, hence I've
not looked into it much.

> Then I could wire the ToDo button to my Shadow To-Do list, the Memo
> button to my Shadow Memos list, etc. :)

	I'm sure this already exists somewhere.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:34pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:

> I see. So I can only select one using this feature, and I 
> will *always* get that one loaded, which may be bit too 
> much for me.

	Ooookay. Maybe I'll scrap it then :)

> I was hoping for something that is implemented in Launcher X 
> (and prolly some other launchers as well). It allows you to 
> set a doc reader and some other apps in global prefs. If 
> you do, the associated databases are shown as selectable 
> items in the launcher window. This way I can start Isilo by 
> tapping any Isilo file.

	Shadow supports this and has since day one :) (Many launchers can
launch-by-file, and Shadow supports all the necessary mechanisms for this)

> Now I don't expect you to hack Launcher X (though support for SP would
> be great), but as a workaround maybe you could create a couple of thin
> dummy apps that work as a shortcut to one of my shadow lists.
> Selecting the app using any of the available launcher methods would
> launch SP with the associated list. If I could do this with, say, 4
> lists I would be more than happy. That would mean 4 nearly identical
> apps.

	They're a little bit of work, since of course you have to be able
to pick which list they go to :P

> Does this sound *very* stupid? ;)

	Not at all.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: Confessions of a madman..

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Morgan Young wrote:

> > I never thoguht people would care :) *sniff* :)
> > 
> > What about the Codejedi logo on a black mug, or on a T-shirt?
> 
> Nope, it has got to be a Shadow logo!

	Ahh, the old gray "Shadow" eh?

	It'll be awhile to set up if we go for it; ie: I'd have to prepare
the artwork (a nights work), and then actually go through an order online
and wait for the delivery and check the quality out, etc.. no way I'd go
live "blind". So we'll see :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:42pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:34, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 	They're a little bit of work, since of course you have
> to be able to pick which list they go to :P

Yes, initially the shortcut app just opens the list 
selection screen, without passing control over to SP. The 
same will happen if the selected list no longer exists. And 
of course, *somehow*, the list selection must also be 
opened on command. Now there's a problem, since how to 
prevent the shortcut app to pass control to SP? 

- Robert

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:52pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:34, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > 	They're a little bit of work, since of course you have
> > to be able to pick which list they go to :P
> 
> Yes, initially the shortcut app just opens the list selection screen,
> without passing control over to SP. The same will happen if the
> selected list no longer exists. And of course, *somehow*, the list
> selection must also be opened on command. Now there's a problem, since
> how to prevent the shortcut app to pass control to SP?

	It would be uncool to write a hack that would operate Shadow;
instead it would use the standard goto mechanism to launch Shadow and tell
Shadow to go to a file. So the app really is just a little file picker
gui, a pref database so it knows what file was chosen, and a goto launch
thing.

	Maybe I'll do it.

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:29pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:52, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:34, Jeff Mitchell 
wrote:
> > > 	They're a little bit of work, since of course you
> > > have to be able to pick which list they go to :P
> >
> > Yes, initially the shortcut app just opens the list
> > selection screen, without passing control over to SP.
> > The same will happen if the selected list no longer
> > exists. And of course, *somehow*, the list selection
> > must also be opened on command. Now there's a problem,
> > since how to prevent the shortcut app to pass control
> > to SP?
>
> 	It would be uncool to write a hack that would operate
> Shadow; instead it would use the standard goto mechanism
> to launch Shadow and tell Shadow to go to a file. So the
> app really is just a little file picker gui, a pref
> database so it knows what file was chosen, and a goto
> launch thing.

Of course I wasn't suggesting a SP hack, but just a nice 
little clean app (actually a couple of them, with different 
IDs) that lauches SP. Do I get this right that you need 
several of these to go to several lists? This is, do I need 
one for my Work list, one for my Film list, etc.?

Something I still don't understand is this. These little 
shortcut apps, once installed, need to be told what list is 
to be loaded by SP. It's easy when there's no list 
installed, or when the installed list no longer exists: the 
shortcut app simply opens a list selector and waits for the 
user. 

But what to do when there's a list selected and you want 
another one started by that app? Normally the shortcut app 
does not have a need for user intervention and will simply 
lauch SP and pass control over to it. How do you stop it 
from doing that, this one time?

- Robert

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:55pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madman..

If it's a cool logo, it doesn't matter what it's about... If I had a 
black t-shirt with a badass Codejedi logo, people would be wanting 
the "cool shirt," they don't necessarily care who or what Codejedi 
is.  Heck, the very name itself has coolness written all over it-- 
10,000 British Star Wars fans can't be wrong... just the movies 
themselves ;)


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Robert van der Kamp 
<robnet@w...> wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:22, Morgan Young wrote:
> > > I never thoguht people would care :) *sniff* :)
> > >
> > > What about the Codejedi logo on a black mug, or on a
> > > T-shirt?
> >
> > Nope, it has got to be a Shadow logo!
> 
> Right! Who cares about Codejedi! ;P
> 
> - Robert

From: dngrsone atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...  <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:58pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

Does Palm OS support shortcut files?  That sounds like what you need 
is an .lnk file pointing to the SP database to be opened.


--- In shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Kevin C. Coram <kcoram@a...> wrote:
> 
> > I wish I knew a little Palm programming. Since the global Find can
> > open Shadow right to an entry that it finds, in whichever Shadow 
list
> > it happened to be in, there's got to be a way to make little 
launching
> > apps that fire up Shadow with a specific database ... Actually, 
I'm
> > tempted to try to write something like this as a first
> > Palm-programming project. In my copious spare time ;/
> 
> 	Pretty easily done, that.
> 
> 	Most launchers have a way of launching-to-file already, hence 
I've
> not looked into it much.
> 
> > Then I could wire the ToDo button to my Shadow To-Do list, the 
Memo
> > button to my Shadow Memos list, etc. :)
> 
> 	I'm sure this already exists somewhere.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "Have you played Atari today?"

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 20:58, dngrsone 
<atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...> wrote:
> Does Palm OS support shortcut files?  That sounds like
> what you need is an .lnk file pointing to the SP database
> to be opened.

Laucher X supports them. You can create a shortcut for an 
app stored on card. Any Palm app sees the shortcut, not 
knowing that it executes a stub that loads the actual one.

If Jeff could create/edit/remove shortcuts to a given SP 
list with Shadow (or a dedicated app) we're settled.

- Robert

From: Susan susanb@m...  <susanb@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: Confessions of a madwoman

That mottled & marbled gray as a t-shirt?  With the script Shadow 
across the front (or better, across the back -- with a completely 
logo-less front)?  What's not to love about a shirt like that?  You'd 
sell a ton, I'm sure.  And even though I never "got" star 
trek,wars,fill-in-the-blank -- I'd buy a Codejedi t-shirt just to 
support the company and the developer.

OOh, Ooh, ooh!  I've got it:  The mottled & marbled gray as the shirt 
color.  Front says, "who better to watch your back....."  [all lower 
case] Back says ". . . than your own Shadow."

From: Robert van der Kamp  <robnet@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:21pm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a madwoman

On Wednesday 26 February 2003 21:16, Susan <susanb@m...> 
wrote:
> That mottled & marbled gray as a t-shirt?  With the
> script Shadow across the front (or better, across the
> back -- with a completely logo-less front)?  What's not
> to love about a shirt like that?  You'd sell a ton, I'm
> sure.  And even though I never "got" star
> trek,wars,fill-in-the-blank -- I'd buy a Codejedi t-shirt
> just to support the company and the developer.
>
> OOh, Ooh, ooh!  I've got it:  The mottled & marbled gray
> as the shirt color.  Front says, "who better to watch
> your back....."  [all lower case] Back says ". . . than
> your own Shadow."

Sold! :)

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:

> Of course I wasn't suggesting a SP hack, but just a nice little clean
> app (actually a couple of them, with different IDs) that lauches SP.
> Do I get this right that you need several of these to go to several
> lists? This is, do I need one for my Work list, one for my Film list,
> etc.?

	Your'e making up an app in your head and asking me what it would
have to be like? :) You could make one app that receives all the button
requests (through Palm Prefs), and then based on the key actually hit,
looks up the Shadow file in its own prefs, and asks Shadow to load and run
that file (Shadow does all that work).

> Something I still don't understand is this. These little shortcut
> apps, once installed, need to be told what list is to be loaded by SP.

	No, they list the existing Shadow files, and allow the user to
pick one.. all this has nothing to do with Shadow. You're essentially
asking for a micro Launcher.. instead of showing apps, it shows Shadow
files, and doesn't have all the fanzy gizmos that make up a launcher. It
then just askss Shadow nicely to "run and open this file".

	It would not be configured through Shadow.. that would be
wasteful.

> But what to do when there's a list selected and you want another one
> started by that app? Normally the shortcut app does not have a need
> for user intervention and will simply lauch SP and pass control over
> to it. How do you stop it from doing that, this one time?

	The app can either tell Shadow to run normally, or it can tell it
to run and open a specified file. How you do that is dependnant on how you
want the little app to work.

	I would assume you would do somethign like if you press the
button, it launches Shadow. If you press and hold a second, it tells
Shadow to run with the file it knows about. Easy UI.

	Thats how I'd do it.

	IF you're asking me to doit, I can add it to my list :)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, dngrsone <atc-daniel.m.paradis@c...> wrote:

> Does Palm OS support shortcut files?  That sounds like what you need 
> is an .lnk file pointing to the SP database to be opened.

	Its not a function of the OS; its a function of the launcher. Some
launchers can do it.

	(ie: IIRC, SilverScreen.. theres a little arrow you hit and it
shows you databases by app, instead of just apps. Tap on the database to
run it directly.)

		jeff

--
"Have you played Atari today?"

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: Opening Shadow to a specific list?

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Robert van der Kamp wrote:

> > Does Palm OS support shortcut files?  That sounds like
> > what you need is an .lnk file pointing to the SP database
> > to be opened.
> 
> Laucher X supports them. You can create a shortcut for an 
> app stored on card. Any Palm app sees the shortcut, not 
> knowing that it executes a stub that loads the actual one.

	They're actually not "shortcuts"; LauncherX includes within it a
tiny little application that handles launch codes and such, and passes
them to the app it is told to. When you create a shortcut, Launcher X
copies this little app out of itself, and then modifies the filename and
whatnot in it, so that it then is customized to work on the specified app.

	That is way out of scope for Shadow.

	I've always wondered why he didn't make LX able to create
shortcuts to files other than apps (in addition to apps of course).

		jeff

> If Jeff could create/edit/remove shortcuts to a given SP 
> list with Shadow (or a dedicated app) we're settled.

--
"Have you played Atari today?"