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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2001 8:15pm
Subject: Testing! Welcome to the second Shadow-Discuss forum

Shadow-discuss on eGroups is now open. Be sure to check into the
main website at http://www.icomm.ca/~skeezix/palm and the other mailing
lists hosted there.

	Enjoy yourself, and thanks for dropping by,

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 8, 2001 6:26pm
Subject: Shadow 1.3.11 Released!

Big release 1.4 is almost ready and should be out in a couple of
weeks. 1.3.11 is a bugfixer and UI cleanup release to tide you over for
awhile. It fixes most of the bugs found since 1.3.0, so everyone should
upgrade to it. There may be a feature teaser release before 1.4, too.

http://www.icomm.ca/~skeezix/palm/binaries/shadow1311.zip

Shadow 1.3.11 includes some new UI features and a slew of fixes for
annoyances that have been troubling us for awhile. It should be a
very stable and solid version, including:

* Top right indicator icons are now buttons that can do quite a bit
* Trashcan button to delete selected item
* Multiple item clipboard option -- toggle the clipboard mode from
  the [C] top right icon; it can be set to hold one item at a time,
  or many items at a time. If many items, any clipboard copies will
  add to the clipboard, whereas if in one-item mode, any copies will
  replace the clipboard contents. This allows you to copy many items
  from many locations in many files, and then paste them all in one
  big shot!
* Smarter sorting to speed up many operations
* Custom view option to suppress note icon; in case you're sick of
  Datebk4 secret notes or the like, suppress all notes and regain
  screen space. But you can't view notes onscreen then.
* Added "Options" to link arrow, to summon link options
* Scrolling when filters active bugs removed!
* Removed the crash that could occur if you used "Save after changes"
  (and that option removed, since its not useful for any list more
  than a few items long anyway)
* Suppress indent works now (create yourself a flat view!)
* Fixed Visor preferred todo/datebook problems!

Shadow 1.3.6 is an enhanced version of 1.3.3 including fancy
display options and customization:

* Ledger alternating colour backgrounds (colour units only). Activate on
  the list prefs window ("col-bg" checkbox)
* New Custum list-type; by chosing this type, a "Opt" button appears
  on your list-prefs screen. This brings up a customization window which
  allows you to specify which screen widgets/columns are active for this
  list. You can bring it up and change them at any time to format as you
  like!
* Target date column now available via customization! Your prefs for
  date formatting should be maintained!
* New Display prefs: Set indentation of collapse/expand arrow, and set
  indentation of priority bubbles. Many people like to have their choice
  of what indents.. so here you go :)

Shadow 1.3.3 is an enhanced version of 1.3.0 and includes the
following changes:

* Many new filters for selecting the items you wish to see!
* Hilighting of individual items!
* Hilighting of groups of items by selection criteria
* Loading of a specific shadow file right from a launcher
* Bullet auto-numbering style
* Some bigger icons to make seeing easier
* Strikethru for HTML exports
* Page up/down on file selection screen
* Localized date display preference honoured
* Fixed a few bugs here and there .. namely the todo datebase bug

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Rick Kier  <rick@T...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 0:01am
Subject: off topic - registration issues

Hello Jeff,

  Sorry about the "off-topc" email.

  Jeff - could you please contact us about our registrations?
  We have tried numerous times to contact you - most mail has been
  rejected after waiting 3 days.

Thanks,

TeamSTARS
  Dick Gordon and Rick Kier

From: KevMailbox@a...
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 0:25am
Subject: To Do Sorting -- Unassigned Sorting, Default Priority

> Usually I only assign priorities to items that are a priority... 
the rest
are
> no particular importance... so, I'd want them at the bottom.  
Either that,
or
> a way to specify a default priority (which I'd always set to 5, and
override
> for priorities that I want to set higher).

>>>>>They sort to the bottom for me.. depends on your ordering
settings. We need to reinvestigate the sorting preferences and the
direction of draw preferences.

I sort with 1 on top at the highest priority, and 5 at the end.  I 
really
like items with unassigned priorities landing at the top (on my list 
anyway)
because I often make new items, assign a future date to them, then 
filter
them away without assigning a priority.  Then when it comes due, it 
lands at
the top of my list and I can quickly assign a priority to it at the 
start of
my day.  I also remove the priority assignment if it's a task that 
I "hit"
(like a phone call), but didn't actually accomplish (they weren't 
home).
Then it stays on top so I won't forget to deal with it.  Changing the
function of this feature would baaaaaaad for me.

Bryan


A good compromise (that's simplest) might be to be able to assign a 
default priority to new items.  That way I could set the default to 5 
which would sort them to the bottom for me.  Others, like Bryan, who 
want them to appear at the top, could leave it as-is, and the 
unassigned priorities would sort to the top.  Bryan has a good point 
about future items filtered by date coming to the top of the list 
could be useful for how some people manage their lists.

Being able to choose a default priority for all new items would be 
win-win... satisfy both of our goals.

Kevin

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 2:05am
Subject: Re: off topic - registration issues

Can you forward me the return emails? I'd like to see the error
codes and such. I should never bounce email, especially for more than a
few minutes. Post again if you've not contacted me in a few days, and
we'll work something out.

		jeff

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Rick Kier wrote:

> Hello Jeff,
> 
>   Sorry about the "off-topc" email.
> 
>   Jeff - could you please contact us about our registrations?
>   We have tried numerous times to contact you - most mail has been
>   rejected after waiting 3 days.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> TeamSTARS
>   Dick Gordon and Rick Kier
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Rick Kier  <rick@T...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 0:17am
Subject: off topic - registration issues (cont)

Hello Jeff,

  Sorry about the "off-topc" email.

  Jeff - got your mail.  Replied about 24 hours ago. (8pm est)
         Sent the rejects (3 messages) about 14 hours ago.  (5am est)
         Do you have another email address?  Or possibly an
         ftp site?
Thanks,

TeamSTARS
  Dick Gordon and Rick Kier

From: mandora@a...
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 3:26pm
Subject: Shadow - Excellent Program!

I have used or tried every Palm outliner at one time or another, 
including the new Bonsai. Shadow Plan is the most functional for me. 
Linking is the key. Addition of trashcan is an appreciated feature. 
Shadow Plan avoids Bonsai's mistake of having to define define 
catagories for each outline. (Catagories not globalized as in other 
Palm applications. Sometimes more options are not better!)I know you 
have more planned for this excellent program. What I would most 
appreciate is a fully syncronized conduit and desktop application and 
importer for Thought Manager outlines. - Morris Manning

PS - I have a shopping list program but it doesnt link to my Datebook 
4. I often have errand type purchases or todos that I would like to 
keep accessible in Datebook 4 Todos but do not want to clutter up the 
ToDo listings with multiple items. Since Todos can't have notes, 
Shadow Plan comes to the rescue. I simply create a list in Shadow 
Plan. It can be called Errands, To Buy, Shopping or whatever works 
for you. Link that list to the ToDo option. Add children to the list. 
I have my lists default to Checklist so I can mark the items I have 
purchased or completed or they can simply be deleted in the trashcan. 
Note, I do not make links to each child, only the parent. This 
linking feature can be used to easily manage agenda items for 
upcoming meetings, etc. and have ready access to them through 
Datebook 4. I also set my ToDo button to open Shadow Plan.

From: mandora@a...
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:04pm
Subject: Correction re ToDos

In my previous message I said that todos can't have notes. That is 
incorrect. They can have notes but the notes do not have the features 
that items in a list in Shadow Plan can have such as checkboxes. - 
Morris Manning

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:12pm
Subject: Re: Shadow - Excellent Program!

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:

> catagories for each outline. (Catagories not globalized as in other 
> Palm applications. Sometimes more options are not better!)I know you 
> have more planned for this excellent program. What I would most 
> appreciate is a fully syncronized conduit and desktop application and 
> importer for Thought Manager outlines. - Morris Manning

	Importing ThoughtManager can be done with a little memo tweaking
on the user part right now .. though I really shoudl add an importer
module for that.

	A conduit and desktop app may begin soon.. its a lot of work, so
will take awhile.

> keep accessible in Datebook 4 Todos but do not want to clutter up the 
> ToDo listings with multiple items. Since Todos can't have notes, 

	ToDo's can have notes, I think.

> purchased or completed or they can simply be deleted in the trashcan. 
> Note, I do not make links to each child, only the parent. This 
> linking feature can be used to easily manage agenda items for 
> upcoming meetings, etc. and have ready access to them through 
> Datebook 4. I also set my ToDo button to open Shadow Plan. 

	Yep, me too :) DateBk4 or Action Names for the datebook button,
Shadow for the ToDo, and a DOC reader/memo reader for the memo button. So
much fun :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: mandora@a...
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: Question

Jeff

Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-directional? 
It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in todos and 
datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have the link 
hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item would take 
you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning

From: Dave Lowe  <davelowe_99@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:57pm
Subject: Re: Shadow - Excellent Program!

----- Original Message -----
From: <mandora@a...>
To: <shadow-discuss@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:26 AM
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Shadow - Excellent Program!


> Note, I do not make links to each child, only the parent. This
> linking feature can be used to easily manage agenda items for
> upcoming meetings, etc. and have ready access to them through
> Datebook 4.

Do you have a configuration that lets you go from Datebook 4, where your
meeting is scheduled, directly to the Shadow list where you have the agenda
items?

Dave


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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Question

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:

> Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-directional? 
> It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in todos and 
> datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have the link 
> hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item would take 
> you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning

	The built-in apps cannot do it.. they need to be coded
specifically for that. There are perhaps some hacks or little apps
available to assist linkages, but I've never stumbled across them
myself. Maybe someone else knows better? But certainly the usual set of
apps can't link back.. linking is still a reasonably "new" idea.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Austin  <austin.mitchell@b...>
Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:43pm
Subject: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

Hi,

I'm currently evaluating Shadow but I would like to know what 
features will be available in the next version before I register.

Also, how about a flat view which gives a view across _all_ lists?  I 
have a work category with many lists and it would be useful to have a 
flat view of what I need to do today.  Another way to do this would 
be to allow a link to the built in to do list to be created by 
default.

I have found that the to do link to Action Names writes and maintains 
a link correctly but does not goto the correct entry.  I have also 
found that if I link to a list in a different category, the linked 
list is copied to the same category as the list it has been linked 
from.  Is this the correct behaviour as it would be useful to leave 
the linked list in the original category.

Thanks for a great app (which I will register soon),

Austin.

From: mandora@a...
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 0:15am
Subject: RE: Back Linking

Dave, I do not have such a utility but I'm looking! See my question 
to Jeff re the desirability of this capability and his response. I 
consider this the holy grail of linking. My workaround is to put an 
asterisk at the end of the parent link in either Shadow Plan or the 
linked application. That lets me know that this is a Shadow Plan link 
item - admittedly a very poor substitute for back linking. - Morris 
Manning

PS - I am not a programmer but I suspect the Palm OS may need to be 
amended (if this is possible) to provide a standardized way for 
application developers to write linking software. This would add 
great functionality to Palm programs. Do others value this type of 
functionality?

Does anyone know of a backlinking hack?

From: derickson@b...
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 1:40am
Subject: Re: Question

You can use either SwitchHack (which I've used successfully for 
several years) or the new McPhling (also a hack, but a free one) to 
allow you to switch from your currently open app to the one that you 
just had open previously. Open ShadowPlan and link to a ToDo or an 
appt in Datebk4. Go to Datebk4 and when you want to go back to 
ShadowPlan, make a graffiti stroke from the House icon on the left 
into graffiti area to the right of the house. It will switch you back 
if either one of the hacks are loaded (you need Hackmaster as well - 
look for them on PalmGear or one of the other good sites for files). 
It works well.

Daniel Erickson
 
--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-
directional? 
> > It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in todos 
and 
> > datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have the 
link 
> > hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item would 
take 
> > you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning
> 
> 	The built-in apps cannot do it.. they need to be coded
> specifically for that. There are perhaps some hacks or little apps
> available to assist linkages, but I've never stumbled across them
> myself. Maybe someone else knows better? But certainly the usual 
set of
> apps can't link back.. linking is still a reasonably "new" idea.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 1:37am
Subject: Re: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Austin  wrote:

> I'm currently evaluating Shadow but I would like to know what 
> features will be available in the next version before I register.

	Funny how I just posted about this very topic; 1.3.11 is pretty
near to 1.4 in a lot of ways. 1.3.13 (alpha testers only) is 1.3.11 plus
bigger and better top right iconic buttons, Zoom, Find. 

	Polishing off of 1.3.13 is my goal for 1.4 public, though the
goals are not set in stone. I just whipped 'em up today. Something like:

o 1.3.13 plus fixes
o Deep filter support (selected child auto selects all parents)
o Keyboard shortcuts and grafitti shortcuts
o Todo link checkbox column
o Magnifier button (since silkscreen one is uncool to use)
o Start a user guide? (how to use find, custpomize views, filters, etc)
o Flat view built-in type (Checklist, Notelist, Tasklist, Custom, and
	Flat) (allows changing to flat from View popup list)
o Drag and drop fudge factor so as to avoid accidental drops

	Since you can basicly contruct a flat view, I'm including a
built-in type for flat view, so you can use your custom slot for something
else.

> Also, how about a flat view which gives a view across _all_ lists?  I 
> have a work category with many lists and it would be useful to have a 

	Somethign like this will likely come after 1.4 comes out.. I'll be
doing lots of big changes from 1.4 -> 1.5 to support multi-list
operations, so expect something to come out. btw, if you're new, you'll
notice I make alphas every few days or every week, with betas every couple
of weeks.. so it doesn't go from 1.4 to 1.5.. it goes 1.4, then 1.4.x a
half dozen times, and then 1.5, so you can get the inbetween feature
upgrades each time.

> flat view of what I need to do today.  Another way to do this would 
> be to allow a link to the built in to do list to be created by 
> default.

	I'll be adding an "auto-link" function soon. 1.4 will have an
easier todo check column, since so many people want it.

> I have found that the to do link to Action Names writes and maintains 
> a link correctly but does not goto the correct entry.  I have also 

	This is Action Names fault, but I'm making a workaround so you
wont' notice it soon.

> found that if I link to a list in a different category, the linked 
> list is copied to the same category as the list it has been linked 
> from.  Is this the correct behaviour as it would be useful to leave 
> the linked list in the original category.

	Someone just pointed this out to me a couple of days ago, so it'll
get fixed pretty soon. Its not top of my priority list right now, though,
but soon. I dislike bugs.

	Very observant I must say :)

	Keep up the suggestions!

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin K  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 4:59am
Subject: Re: Re: Question

Arranger-style switching (using the silk screen App button) back to Shadow Plan  after going to them from the link arrow would be a nice feature.  Very nice indeed.

Kevin

> You can use either SwitchHack (which I've used successfully for
> several years) or the new McPhling (also a hack, but a free one) to
> allow you to switch from your currently open app to the one that you
> just had open previously. Open ShadowPlan and link to a ToDo or an
> appt in Datebk4. Go to Datebk4 and when you want to go back to
> ShadowPlan, make a graffiti stroke from the House icon on the left
> into graffiti area to the right of the house. It will switch you back
> if either one of the hacks are loaded (you need Hackmaster as well -
> look for them on PalmGear or one of the other good sites for files).
> It works well.
> 
> Daniel Erickson
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:
> >
> > > Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-
> directional?
> > > It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in todos
> and
> > > datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have the
> link
> > > hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item would
> take
> > > you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning
> >
> > 	The built-in apps cannot do it.. they need to be coded
> > specifically for that. There are perhaps some hacks or little apps
> > available to assist linkages, but I've never stumbled across them
> > myself. Maybe someone else knows better? But certainly the usual
> set of
> > apps can't link back.. linking is still a reasonably "new" idea.
> >
> > 		jeff
> >
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 


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From: Austin  <austin.mitchell@b...>
Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 8:09pm
Subject: Re: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

Jeff,

Thanks for the reply; I have now registered Shadow.  Just been 
thinking about another ehancement ;-)  How about tasks in a task list 
which are not really tasks but are there to allow grouping of other 
tasks.  I have tasks for each of the projects I am working on, but if 
I have completed all of the subtasks the project task completes and 
is hidden (if I set the filter to unchecked items as I normally do).

Keep up the good work,

Austin.

From: fernand.hudon@c...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:36pm
Subject: Re: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

I suggest that the dates of the subtasks should be processed just 
like the progress, i.e. these dates of the parent sould be 
automatically the latest target date, the earliest beginning date and 
the latest end date.
bye

--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, "Austin " <austin.mitchell@b...> 
wrote:
> Jeff,
> 
> Thanks for the reply; I have now registered Shadow.  Just been 
> thinking about another ehancement ;-)  How about tasks in a task 
list 
> which are not really tasks but are there to allow grouping of other 
> tasks.  I have tasks for each of the projects I am working on, but 
if 
> I have completed all of the subtasks the project task completes and 
> is hidden (if I set the filter to unchecked items as I normally do).
> 
> Keep up the good work,
> 
> Austin.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 fernand.hudon@c... wrote:

> I suggest that the dates of the subtasks should be processed just 
> like the progress, i.e. these dates of the parent sould be 
> automatically the latest target date, the earliest beginning date and 
> the latest end date.

	Several people have noted they don't want this behaviour, which is
why I've not added it. It is tempting, though.

		jeff

> bye
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, "Austin " <austin.mitchell@b...> 
> wrote:
> > Jeff,
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply; I have now registered Shadow.  Just been 
> > thinking about another ehancement ;-)  How about tasks in a task 
> list 
> > which are not really tasks but are there to allow grouping of other 
> > tasks.  I have tasks for each of the projects I am working on, but 
> if 
> > I have completed all of the subtasks the project task completes and 
> > is hidden (if I set the filter to unchecked items as I normally do).
> > 
> > Keep up the good work,
> > 
> > Austin.
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: fernand.hudon@c...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:22pm
Subject: Re: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

I understand... this behaviour could be optional, let's 
say "Automatic dates for parents" in List Preferences / List Options.
bye


--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 fernand.hudon@c... wrote:
> 
> > I suggest that the dates of the subtasks should be processed just 
> > like the progress, i.e. these dates of the parent sould be 
> > automatically the latest target date, the earliest beginning date 
and 
> > the latest end date.
> 
> 	Several people have noted they don't want this behaviour, 
which is
> why I've not added it. It is tempting, though.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > bye
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, "Austin " 
<austin.mitchell@b...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Jeff,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the reply; I have now registered Shadow.  Just been 
> > > thinking about another ehancement ;-)  How about tasks in a 
task 
> > list 
> > > which are not really tasks but are there to allow grouping of 
other 
> > > tasks.  I have tasks for each of the projects I am working on, 
but 
> > if 
> > > I have completed all of the subtasks the project task completes 
and 
> > > is hidden (if I set the filter to unchecked items as I normally 
do).
> > > 
> > > Keep up the good work,
> > > 
> > > Austin.
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: freking@p...
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 5:48pm
Subject: Note Icon Editor

Will there still be a way to get the inline notes when the pref is 
set to have the note icon go to the note editor?  I would like to be 
able to access both features depending on what I am doing at the time.

Thanks,
Frieda

From the shadow-discuss archives (shadow vs. progect)

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Jeff Mitchell wrote:

> made on a task), and which there was a better way to get at the 
editing
> screen without sacrificing the inline toggle.  I heard a couple of 
good
> suggestions: 'tap and hold' the note icon or double tap on the
notes 
text to
> jump to the note editor.
> 
> any chance we could get one of these implemented?

>>        Sure, coming. If I ever go all button bar, too, I could add 
>>a note button to the main screen. I'm goign to maeka pref so you
can 
>>have the note icon go to the note editor,and I'll add the double
tap 
>>on note expanded part to go to note editor as well.

>>                jeff

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: Re: Note Icon Editor

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 freking@p... wrote:

> Will there still be a way to get the inline notes when the pref is 
> set to have the note icon go to the note editor?  I would like to be 
> able to access both features depending on what I am doing at the time.

	Then no.. the note icon can either expand the note inline, or go
to the editor if I set that up. Think of how you want to bring the note
editor up and let me know..

		jeff

> 
> Thanks,
> Frieda
> 
> >From the shadow-discuss archives (shadow vs. progect)
> 
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> 
> > made on a task), and which there was a better way to get at the 
> editing
> > screen without sacrificing the inline toggle.  I heard a couple of 
> good
> > suggestions: 'tap and hold' the note icon or double tap on the
> notes 
> text to
> > jump to the note editor.
> > 
> > any chance we could get one of these implemented?
> 
> >>        Sure, coming. If I ever go all button bar, too, I could add 
> >>a note button to the main screen. I'm goign to maeka pref so you
> can 
> >>have the note icon go to the note editor,and I'll add the double
> tap 
> >>on note expanded part to go to note editor as well.
> 
> >>                jeff
> 
> 
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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin K  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 0:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Version 1.4, flat view and Action Names

> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 fernand.hudon@c... wrote:
> 
> > I suggest that the dates of the subtasks should be processed just
> > like the progress, i.e. these dates of the parent sould be
> > automatically the latest target date, the earliest beginning date and
> > the latest end date.
> 
> 	Several people have noted they don't want this behaviour, which is
> why I've not added it. It is tempting, though.
> 
> 		jeff

I think I was one of the ones that didn't want this behavior, but I'm flexible on this.  Microsoft Project and some other programs do what the other person suggests (sorry I didn't catch the name), and setting the parent date based on the sub-task earliest and latest dates can have it's advantages.

So, as one of the ones that didn't want this, I withdraw that opinion :-), especially since it's not one of my highest priorities.

Kevin

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From: Kevin K  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 0:27am
Subject: Re: [Shadow-discuss] Private Outline Items

> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 BorisKirk@a... wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have an interest in having the option to make individual
> > outline items private?  I almost bought Hi-Note for this option alone
> > before I found Shadow.  Hi-Note also has the option of having pictures
> > as items any interest in this one?  Please let me know.
>
> 	I've done polls, and very very very few people care for little
> pictures. A few who do try to use TealNotes, though I've heard it may not
> work with Shadow. Private items may be more ineresting, but again not many
> peopel need them.
>
> 	Private items will likely come during 1.5 sometime, as I'll be
> changing the database format to support it.
>
> 		jeff

As a user of Hi-Note who at first thought that the pictures would be a nice feature, for me at least I didn't use it very often.  My thought was that I could use it for quick notes, and organize them, but the problem was that for a quick note in order to organize it in an outline text would need to be supplied for the title of the note, and that defeated the whole purpose (for me).

So, for me, notes aren't an interest -- I don't use them in To Do Plus or Memo Plus either.  The only app I use notes in is the new app from Palm called Notepad -- that is 3 pages high, and can date and time stamp as well as categorize notes.  That serves my needs better than adding note capability to any outliner could (and even so I don't use it that often).

Diddlebug, BugMe!, InkSnap, and QuickNotes are other applications that can handle notes.

Kevin

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From: Kevin K  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 0:29am
Subject: Re: Note Icon Editor

> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 freking@p... wrote:
> 
> > Will there still be a way to get the inline notes when the pref is
> > set to have the note icon go to the note editor?  I would like to be
> > able to access both features depending on what I am doing at the time.
> 
> 	Then no.. the note icon can either expand the note inline, or go
> to the editor if I set that up. Think of how you want to bring the note
> editor up and let me know..
> 
> 		jeff

At some point, filtering out the DateBk4 codes from notes would be a useful feature.  I'm not sure about Action Names, but Life Balance is another program that uses the Note field to store information.

I'm just happy with the option to turn off the note icon (thanks Jeff!).  Everything else is icing on the cake for me :-)

Kevin

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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 1:04am
Subject: Re: [Shadow-discuss] Private Outline Items

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Kevin K wrote:

> As a user of Hi-Note who at first thought that the pictures would be a
> nice feature, for me at least I didn't use it very often.  My thought
> was that I could use it for quick notes, and organize them, but the
> problem was that for a quick note in order to organize it in an
> outline text would need to be supplied for the title of the note, and
> that defeated the whole purpose (for me).

	The Newton had it best .. you could "ink text" in quickly, and
then covert that to text using the HWR as if you'd written it. For storing
quick notes, a graphic area isn't really suited.. for quick drawings,
maybe, though the screen is small.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: freking@p...
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 2:21pm
Subject: Re: Note Icon Editor

--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 freking@p... wrote:
> 
> > Will there still be a way to get the inline notes when the pref
is 
> > set to have the note icon go to the note editor?  I would like to 
be 
> > able to access both features depending on what I am doing at the 
time.
> 
> 	Then no.. the note icon can either expand the note inline, or 
go
> to the editor if I set that up. Think of how you want to bring the 
note
> editor up and let me know..
> 
> 		jeff


Well, my initial desire was to have the note editor popup like the 
palm standard, but as I use Shadowplan I am getting more used to (and 
spoiled on) the inline notes as well.

My preferred solution is still to have (at least) two twigger events - 
tap, and tap & hold - with a preference that allows the user to set 
which of the these twiggers which event - note editor or inline.  
This, of course, could still include the double tap on inline notes
to get to the editor.

As I am not sure of the feasibility of implementing this, then I
think I would prefer the solution you are planning.  With my 
preference set to have the note editor popup, I would lose the ability 
to view inline notes.  But I would gain the ability to begin editing a 
note immediately and I wouldn't have to re-find the place in my notes 
that I wanted to edit while I waited for the note editor to popup.

Thanks,
Frieda

PS.  I am assuming I would still at least be able to use the 'expand 
all memos' command.

Oh & another thought.  Would it be possible/feasible to make the 
double tap on an inline note popup the note editor with the cursor
set at the place that I double- tapped on the inline note (or 
thereabouts)?  This would at least save some searching and scrolling 
(and forgetting what I was gonna write or edit).

From: Stan Blackwell  <easy-123@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 3:37pm
Subject: A couple of Questions

Having (a) just registered the software and having(b)gone over the a 
reference guide, I have a few questions which may have been answered 
previously and/or elsewhere (while I am signed up for the mail 
digest, I find it difficult to read and follow treads (by the way, is 
complete migration to egroups being considered?)). If they are, 
please point me in the right direction. Let me say that I am using 
version 1.3.11.

1. I can't seem to be able to work the "swipe down" movement of an 
item via graffiti, while I have no problem going up, left or right. 
Am I just not doing it right or does it not work?

2. Is it possible to move from one item to another and enter the item 
detail screen via a keyboard? Without using PointerHack  and 
LaptopHack?

3. Is it possible to make a "swipe" movement---rather than as a "Cmd 
+ Letter" action---on a keyboard?

Thanks!
 Stan

From: Stan Blackwell  <easy-123@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 4:06pm
Subject: Re: Question

I have used for sometime, a hack called "Linker" 
(www.digitalglyph.com) which will link just about any editable field 
to any other field (and for none editable fields to the program, 
i.e., Avantgo). And the links are "back-linked" as well. This program 
allows for all sorts of interesting arrangements. For 
instance,linking to files (larger than the 4K limit of Memopad) in a 
DOC program or "peditPro" text editor.

Also, while I have never used "McPhling" I have for a long time used 
Switchhack and like it alot. However, as I become more keyboard-
centric I have begun using "Popup Favorites".

Stan

--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, derickson@b... wrote:
> You can use either SwitchHack (which I've used successfully for 
> several years) or the new McPhling (also a hack, but a free one) to 
> allow you to switch from your currently open app to the one that 
you 
> just had open previously. Open ShadowPlan and link to a ToDo or an 
> appt in Datebk4. Go to Datebk4 and when you want to go back to 
> ShadowPlan, make a graffiti stroke from the House icon on the left 
> into graffiti area to the right of the house. It will switch you 
back 
> if either one of the hacks are loaded (you need Hackmaster as well -
 
> look for them on PalmGear or one of the other good sites for 
files). 
> It works well.
> 
> Daniel Erickson
>  
> --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:
> > 
> > > Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-
> directional? 
> > > It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in todos 
> and 
> > > datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have 
the 
> link 
> > > hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item would 
> take 
> > > you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning
> > 
> > 	The built-in apps cannot do it.. they need to be coded
> > specifically for that. There are perhaps some hacks or little apps
> > available to assist linkages, but I've never stumbled across them
> > myself. Maybe someone else knows better? But certainly the usual 
> set of
> > apps can't link back.. linking is still a reasonably "new" idea.
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note Icon Editor

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 freking@p... wrote:

> My preferred solution is still to have (at least) two twigger events - 
> tap, and tap & hold - with a preference that allows the user to set 
> which of the these twiggers which event - note editor or inline.  
> This, of course, could still include the double tap on inline notes
> to get to the editor.

	I don't want too many hold effects .. at least for awhile. Hidden
behaviours like that tend to confuse people, and on Palm are a pain to get
just right (timer granularity isn't enough without getting tricky).

> PS.  I am assuming I would still at least be able to use the 'expand 
> all memos' command.

	Yep.

> Oh & another thought.  Would it be possible/feasible to make the 
> double tap on an inline note popup the note editor with the cursor
> set at the place that I double- tapped on the inline note (or 
> thereabouts)?  This would at least save some searching and scrolling 
> (and forgetting what I was gonna write or edit).

	Neat idea; if I don't do it, remind me and I'll think about
it. Pretty cool.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 13, 2001 8:46pm
Subject: Re: A couple of Questions

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Stan Blackwell wrote:

> digest, I find it difficult to read and follow treads (by the way, is 
> complete migration to egroups being considered?)). If they are, 
> please point me in the right direction. Let me say that I am using 
> version 1.3.11.

	I won't migrate to egroups -- I prefer to host my own lists, so
the issue of who owns the content is never a problem. egrousp seems cool,
but you never know. Besides, I might work on a web interface
sometime.. the egroups one isn't bad (actually pretty nifty), but needs
better threading and such.

> 1. I can't seem to be able to work the "swipe down" movement of an 
> item via graffiti, while I have no problem going up, left or right. 
> Am I just not doing it right or does it not work?

	Should work fine. I just verified it in 1.3.15 (alpha), but its
not been changed since way back in 1.3.3 or something, so should be
okay. Make sure your'e doing the grafitti just so.. straight down,
straight up.

> 2. Is it possible to move from one item to another and enter the item 
> detail screen via a keyboard? Without using PointerHack  and 
> LaptopHack?

	Hmm, not sure. I've not built in any specific stuff for that, but
perhaps there is a "details" key on the keyboard?

> 3. Is it possible to make a "swipe" movement---rather than as a "Cmd 
> + Letter" action---on a keyboard?

	Check back in the archives for a posting by Mike Carney (I think),
where he suggests a dozen keyboasrd additions, which I'll be adding
shortly. See if theres one there, and if not, make a key suggestion..

	(sorry, in a hurry :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: freking@p...
Date: Sun Jan 14, 2001 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Note Icon Editor

--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 freking@p... wrote:
> 
> > My preferred solution is still to have (at least) two twigger 
events - 
> > tap, and tap & hold - with a preference that allows the user to 
set 

> 	I don't want too many hold effects .. at least for awhile. 
Hidden
> behaviours like that tend to confuse people, and on Palm are a pain 
to get
> just right (timer granularity isn't enough without getting tricky).


Would that also preclude double tap on the note icon (instead of tap
& 
hold) as the second twigger?  (Hey, can't blame a gal for trying!)
 
 
> > double tap on an inline note popup the note editor with the cursor
> > set at the place that I double- tapped on the inline note (or 
> > thereabouts)?  This would at least save some searching and 

> 	Neat idea; if I don't do it, remind me and I'll think about
> it. Pretty cool.

You bet!  And thanks for at least considering it. 

Frieda

From: david@c...
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:38am
Subject: Re: Question

I have used Linker for some time now and love it. However, ShadowPlan 
doesn't seem to be able to be searched by the built in FIND function 
of the palm so linking TO SP items from another app is not possible. 
Any chance this will be added to a future release???

--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, "Stan Blackwell" <easy-123@e...> 
wrote:
> I have used for sometime, a hack called "Linker" 
> (www.digitalglyph.com) which will link just about any editable 
field 
> to any other field (and for none editable fields to the program, 
> i.e., Avantgo). And the links are "back-linked" as well. This 
program 
> allows for all sorts of interesting arrangements. For 
> instance,linking to files (larger than the 4K limit of Memopad) in 
a 
> DOC program or "peditPro" text editor.
> 
> Also, while I have never used "McPhling" I have for a long time 
used 
> Switchhack and like it alot. However, as I become more keyboard-
> centric I have begun using "Popup Favorites".
> 
> Stan
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, derickson@b... wrote:
> > You can use either SwitchHack (which I've used successfully for 
> > several years) or the new McPhling (also a hack, but a free one) 
to 
> > allow you to switch from your currently open app to the one that 
> you 
> > just had open previously. Open ShadowPlan and link to a ToDo or 
an 
> > appt in Datebk4. Go to Datebk4 and when you want to go back to 
> > ShadowPlan, make a graffiti stroke from the House icon on the 
left 
> > into graffiti area to the right of the house. It will switch you 
> back 
> > if either one of the hacks are loaded (you need Hackmaster as 
well -
>  
> > look for them on PalmGear or one of the other good sites for 
> files). 
> > It works well.
> > 
> > Daniel Erickson
> >  
> > --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-
> > directional? 
> > > > It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in 
todos 
> > and 
> > > > datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have 
> the 
> > link 
> > > > hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item 
would 
> > take 
> > > > you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning
> > > 
> > > 	The built-in apps cannot do it.. they need to be coded
> > > specifically for that. There are perhaps some hacks or little 
apps
> > > available to assist linkages, but I've never stumbled across 
them
> > > myself. Maybe someone else knows better? But certainly the 
usual 
> > set of
> > > apps can't link back.. linking is still a reasonably "new" idea.
> > > 
> > > 		jeff
> > > 
> > > --
> > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
own 
> > micro
> > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
mean,
> > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
he 
> > is?"
> > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:50am
Subject: Shadow 1.3.16 Beta Released!

This is a warmup for 1.4 -- if this version goes well, then 1.4
will be it plus a few more features, better manuals, and other minor
improvements.

	Please please give this a shot, and let me know your
opinions! Since this will become 1.4, I want it super stable, so please
report any and all bugs!

	http://www.icomm.ca/~skeezix/palm/binaries/shadow1316beta.zip

	Check the WhatsNew for improvements.. there are many since 1.3.11!

		jeff


Shadow 1.3.16 is a feature enhancement over 1.3.11, though it includes
some bug fixes. If it goes well, it'll become the public 1.4 release!
Some of the changes include:

* Deep filters -- when you ask to select a set of items, it will look
  down through parents that dont' match.. so items found deep in the
  list will automatically implicitly select their parents so you can be
  sure to see them all!
* Removed [D] flag/menu, and turned it into [V], a View popmenu. This is
  a very useful menu, with Zoom, view changing, and more!
* Zoom ability! Zoom makes your display only show children of a specified
  item, so you can restrict operations or your view window, to make
  your life easier
* In-shadow Find support! Just tap the magnifier while in an open
  list to bring up the Find window! Hit /G to Find Again, or hit the
  magnifier to continue
* Many UI improvements; link arrow column now has "-", so you can bring
  up a menu when no link present. The column may be removed or added like
  any other customizable column, too. A todo link column has been made
  available, and defaults on in Flat View
* Flat View built-in view! No more building it yourself, and its right
  handy under the V popmenu! Just change to flat view, then change back
  to whatever view you like!
* New prefs.. default priority, and the ability to bring up the note
  editor instead of inline expand/collapsd when you tap on note icon
* Some larger icons (like the top right popmenus, for instance)
* Accidental moving of items (after closing popmenus, etc) should not
  occur
* Many miscellaneous bug fixes


--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:59am
Subject: Re: Re: Question

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 david@c... wrote:

> I have used Linker for some time now and love it. However, ShadowPlan 
> doesn't seem to be able to be searched by the built in FIND function 
> of the palm so linking TO SP items from another app is not possible. 
> Any chance this will be added to a future release???

	It'll be added in the 1.4 through 1.5 chain .. I'm waiting until
I've got some certain things in place before adding it. Find can be done
with Shadows own Find mechanism (in the new beta and for 1.4), but the
built-in Find and hacks around it won't be supported for a bit yet..

	Sorry :/

		jeff

> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, "Stan Blackwell" <easy-123@e...> 
> wrote:
> > I have used for sometime, a hack called "Linker" 
> > (www.digitalglyph.com) which will link just about any editable 
> field 
> > to any other field (and for none editable fields to the program, 
> > i.e., Avantgo). And the links are "back-linked" as well. This 
> program 
> > allows for all sorts of interesting arrangements. For 
> > instance,linking to files (larger than the 4K limit of Memopad) in 
> a 
> > DOC program or "peditPro" text editor.
> > 
> > Also, while I have never used "McPhling" I have for a long time 
> used 
> > Switchhack and like it alot. However, as I become more keyboard-
> > centric I have begun using "Popup Favorites".
> > 
> > Stan
> > 
> > --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, derickson@b... wrote:
> > > You can use either SwitchHack (which I've used successfully for 
> > > several years) or the new McPhling (also a hack, but a free one) 
> to 
> > > allow you to switch from your currently open app to the one that 
> > you 
> > > just had open previously. Open ShadowPlan and link to a ToDo or 
> an 
> > > appt in Datebk4. Go to Datebk4 and when you want to go back to 
> > > ShadowPlan, make a graffiti stroke from the House icon on the 
> left 
> > > into graffiti area to the right of the house. It will switch you 
> > back 
> > > if either one of the hacks are loaded (you need Hackmaster as 
> well -
> >  
> > > look for them on PalmGear or one of the other good sites for 
> > files). 
> > > It works well.
> > > 
> > > Daniel Erickson
> > >  
> > > --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 mandora@a... wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Is it possible to make the link to todos and datebook bi-
> > > directional? 
> > > > > It would be a significant enhancement to have the link in 
> todos 
> > > and 
> > > > > datebook indicate they are linked to Shadow Plan and to have 
> > the 
> > > link 
> > > > > hot so that in 'say' Datebook4 a touch on the linked item 
> would 
> > > take 
> > > > > you directly to the item in Shadow Plan. - Morris Manning
> > > > 
> > > > 	The built-in apps cannot do it.. they need to be coded
> > > > specifically for that. There are perhaps some hacks or little 
> apps
> > > > available to assist linkages, but I've never stumbled across 
> them
> > > > myself. Maybe someone else knows better? But certainly the 
> usual 
> > > set of
> > > > apps can't link back.. linking is still a reasonably "new" idea.
> > > > 
> > > > 		jeff
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your 
> own 
> > > micro
> > > > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I 
> mean,
> > > > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate 
> he 
> > > is?"
> > > > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
> 
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> 

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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: siggi@i...
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 1:48pm
Subject: Feature questions: Views and Filters

Hi Jeff and thx for great soft.

I'm gonna register. I have couple of questions or oppinions if you 
like.

IMHO useful "flat view" is the collection of items that have have no 
children and therefor represent "action" items. Usually smallest bit 
of activity to complete a task. The parents act as a summary for 
these activities (hence normal Project management methoods). Is it 
possible to include this filter as standard (like Project does)?

Another useful filter would be to filter out linked items.

I don't think this is possible in b1.3.16, but if I'm wrong I appol. 
for not checking it out sufficianly.


BW, SH

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:14pm
Subject: Re: Feature questions: Views and Filters

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 siggi@i... wrote:

> IMHO useful "flat view" is the collection of items that have have no 
> children and therefor represent "action" items. Usually smallest bit 
> of activity to complete a task. The parents act as a summary for 
> these activities (hence normal Project management methoods). Is it 
> possible to include this filter as standard (like Project does)?

	Current flat view does include parents; I will eventually include
a "suppress parents" option, and incorporate it into flat view. I think it
okay now, since it shows context of the children anyway. It'll come atfer
the conduit work I think, so aim for a few weeks or so.

> Another useful filter would be to filter out linked items.

	Why?

> I don't think this is possible in b1.3.16, but if I'm wrong I appol. 
> for not checking it out sufficianly.

	Complex filtering will be available in a month or more.. which is
to say, build your own filters with whatever criterion you like.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: siggi@i...
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:38pm
Subject: Re: Feature questions: Views and Filters

Two unclear things from me.

First, I meant filtered "out" of the main list not out of sight, so I 
can see all linked items, and hide unlinked items.

Second, I misspelled Progect (the software). I found lowest level 
filter very useful. Hopefully it will end up in your feature list.

Thx for quick reply,

sh

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Feature questions: Views and Filters

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 siggi@i... wrote:

> Two unclear things from me.
> 
> First, I meant filtered "out" of the main list not out of sight, so I 
> can see all linked items, and hide unlinked items.

	Can easily be done. Anyone else want this? I'll likely just leave
this asd a filter option so you can build it if you want it, form the
custom filter editor (a month away)

> Second, I misspelled Progect (the software). I found lowest level 
> filter very useful. Hopefully it will end up in your feature list.

	Yep; it'll be a display option for views, and default on for the
flat view. (In Shadow, the screen is just a list view with a big series of
options enabled or disabled; a view, like the Flat View, is just a group
of options against the list view)

	Sorry for hurrying.. lots to do :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Thomas Guldstrand Larsen  <tgl@i...>
Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Q: Importing ToDo items & suggestion to minor tweak!

Hi,

I like the idea of using Shadow as Todo manager, and therefore I 
imported my todo items into Shadow!

When done the actual todo items appear as children, and the category 
as parent of these.

Is there a way in which I can import the todo items WITHOUT the 
categories since I like that representation better??

Suggestion to minor tweak! Normally when you set e.g the "Target 
Date" you have the possibility of selecting the "Picker" and thereby 
choosing an arbitrary date. Wouldn't it be more precise to rename it 
to "Choose Date" in order to preserve the consistency with other palm 
apps??

Finally thanks for an excellent program that I can't live without!

Sincerely yours

/Thomas

From: tgl@i...
Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Importing ToDo itmes & suggestion to minor tweak!

Hi,

I like the idea of using Shadow as Todo manager, and therefore I 
imported my todo items into Shadow!

When done the actual todo items appear as children, and the category 
as parent of these.

Is there a way in which I can import the todo items WITHOUT the 
categories since I like this representation better??

Suggestion to minor tweak! Normally when you set e.g the "Target 
Date" you have the possibility of selecting the "Picker" and thereby 
choosing an arbitrary date. Wouldn't it be more precise to rename it 
to "Choose Date" in order to preserve the consistency with other palm 
apps??

Finally thanks for an excellent program that I can't live without!

Sincerely yours

/Thomas

From: tgl@i...
Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 7:47pm
Subject: Importing ToDo itmes & suggestion to minor tweak!

Hi,

I like the idea of using Shadow as Todo manager, and therefore I 
imported my todo items into Shadow!

When done the actual todo items appear as children, and the category 
as parent of these.

Is there a way in which I can import the todo items WITHOUT the 
categories since I like this representation better??

Suggestion to minor tweak! Normally when you set e.g the "Target 
Date" you have the possibility of selecting the "Picker" and thereby 
choosing an arbitrary date. Wouldn't it be more precise to rename it 
to "Choose Date" in order to preserve the consistency with other palm 
apps??

Finally thanks for an excellent program that I can't live without!

Sincerely yours

/Thomas

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 17, 2001 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Q: Importing ToDo items & suggestion to minor tweak!

On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Thomas Guldstrand Larsen wrote:

> When done the actual todo items appear as children, and the category 
> as parent of these.
> 
> Is there a way in which I can import the todo items WITHOUT the 
> categories since I like that representation better??

	I will be improving the import sometime, so that you can import
category by category and thus not have parents. You can of course use the
clipboard to manually collapse children onto a higher level, but that'll
take a bit of work. You can use a Flat view, which suppresses indenation
(or turn on that list option in a custom list), or you could use Zoom to
hide parent levels while looking at the children items. Whew.

	Lots of options these days :)

> Date" you have the possibility of selecting the "Picker" and thereby 
> choosing an arbitrary date. Wouldn't it be more precise to rename it 
> to "Choose Date" in order to preserve the consistency with other palm 
> apps??

	Probably :) "Picker" was the term I brought over form the Newton
as a bad habit :) Its also a shoter word. I keep meaning to put in Choose
Date, so I'll put it on my todo list so I don't forget :)

> Finally thanks for an excellent program that I can't live without!

	Glad you like it :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tgl@i...
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 2:28pm
Subject: Link to other files!

Suppose I make a link from one item in a list to another file in 
Shadow. If I then follow the link to the other file, is there then a 
way in which I can return to the list I came from?? If I press done I 
end up with the overview of all my lists!

It could be a nice feature [I think ;-)] if it was possible to return 
to the original list after following a link! Much like the "back" 
button works in a browser!

Kind regards!

/Thomas

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 18, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: Re: Link to other files!

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 tgl@i... wrote:

> Suppose I make a link from one item in a list to another file in 
> Shadow. If I then follow the link to the other file, is there then a 
> way in which I can return to the list I came from?? If I press done I 
> end up with the overview of all my lists!

	I will be adding a "Back" button soon, so you can go back through
a series of links.

> It could be a nice feature [I think ;-)] if it was possible to return 
> to the original list after following a link! Much like the "back" 
> button works in a browser!

	Exactly. I'm gong to add Back and Forweard, and maybe a listing of
recently visited files.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:39am
Subject: TealNotes and Shadow

<snip> A few who do try to use TealNotes, though I've heard it may not
work with Shadow <snip>

TealNotes works just fine with Shadow, as long as you insert the 
TealNote in the note field.  If you insert it in the title, it will 
crash your Palm.

tommyb

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 6:04am
Subject: Feature request

I really like ShadowPlan.  I liked it so much that I registered it 10 
minutes after downloading the demo!

I appreciate the effort and responsiveness that I see on your site, 
and in this group.

A few things that I would like to see...

linking to the Memo database

I second the motion to open the note editor with a double-click, 
while still allowing note viewing.  (Note viewing is one of my 
favorite features)

When editing a task, either in details or notes, it takes several 
layers of menu to get to a choice, then several layers of "OK" 
or "cancel" to get back to the task list.  (e.g.  select, 
click "details", click "opt", click "Picker", select a color, then 
click "OK" 3 times to return to the task list.)  How about an icon 
that would return directly to the task list from the color picker, or 
the notes page, eliminating "OK", "OK", "OK".

tommyb

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:59pm
Subject: Re: TealNotes and Shadow

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 tommyb@i... wrote:

> <snip> A few who do try to use TealNotes, though I've heard it may not
> work with Shadow <snip>
> 
> TealNotes works just fine with Shadow, as long as you insert the 
> TealNote in the note field.  If you insert it in the title, it will 
> crash your Palm.

	Thanks for the tip. Odd though :)

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Feature request

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 tommyb@i... wrote:

> I really like ShadowPlan.  I liked it so much that I registered it 10 
> minutes after downloading the demo!
> I appreciate the effort and responsiveness that I see on your site, 
> and in this group.

	Glad you like it :) Be sure to join the shadow-announce mailing
list to find out about new releases.. like 1.4 coming out on Monday :)

> linking to the Memo database

	This is coming; once the conduit is out of the way (and the Shadow
changes going along with it), I'll be able to better support an arbitrary
number of links of various types.

> I second the motion to open the note editor with a double-click, 
> while still allowing note viewing.  (Note viewing is one of my 
> favorite features)

	Yep; also on my list, but I let it slide so that 1.4 could
actually get released. Must draw the line somewhere.

> When editing a task, either in details or notes, it takes several 
> layers of menu to get to a choice, then several layers of "OK" 
> or "cancel" to get back to the task list.  (e.g.  select, 
> click "details", click "opt", click "Picker", select a color, then 
> click "OK" 3 times to return to the task list.)  How about an icon 
> that would return directly to the task list from the color picker, or 
> the notes page, eliminating "OK", "OK", "OK".

	If you have the link arrow column present you can tap on the
little arrtow, and hit Item Options. That brings up the link
options.. which also includes the colour options. Is this
sufficient? There is also /O to shortcut bring up the Option screen.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Feature request

> > When editing a task, either in details or notes, it takes several 
> > layers of menu to get to a choice, then several layers of "OK" 
> > or "cancel" to get back to the task list.  (e.g.  select, 
> > click "details", click "opt", click "Picker", select a color, 
then 
> > click "OK" 3 times to return to the task list.)  How about an 
icon 
> > that would return directly to the task list from the color 
picker, or 
> > the notes page, eliminating "OK", "OK", "OK".
> 
> 	If you have the link arrow column present you can tap on the
> little arrtow, and hit Item Options. That brings up the link
> options.. which also includes the colour options. Is this
> sufficient? There is also /O to shortcut bring up the Option screen.

While pondering previous posts, I realized that there was a version 
newer than 1.3.11  After downloading it, I understood exactly what 
the discussion of the note field preference was about, and that 
changes Jeff made in the link arrow shortened getting to the options 
screen.  This is good.  My suggestion would be to add an icon, like a 
house, indicating "accept changes and return to the task list".  
However, this is less an issue now.  It was 3 OK's from picking a 
color to the task list - now it is two.  It is two clicks from the 
note editor to the task list.  Still, both those pages have room for 
another button, and over the course of a lifetime, just think how 
many clicks one might save <g>

tommyb

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 11:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: Feature request

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 tommyb@i... wrote:

> the discussion of the note field preference was about, and that 
> changes Jeff made in the link arrow shortened getting to the options 
> screen.  This is good.  My suggestion would be to add an icon, like a 
> house, indicating "accept changes and return to the task list".  
> However, this is less an issue now.  It was 3 OK's from picking a 
> color to the task list - now it is two.  It is two clicks from the 
> note editor to the task list.  Still, both those pages have room for 
> another button, and over the course of a lifetime, just think how 
> many clicks one might save <g>

	Be sure to grab Monday's 1.4 release (1.4r, actually). I released
a 1.4 as a final test, but then decided to ever-so-slightly change a
couple of things. (Moved the file listing screens garbage can over to make
accidents not happen, and added a colour picker to the details window). So
now you can set the colour from Details or from the Item Options window.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Demetrios  <demetrios@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Several Things

First of all, I'd like to say this is a great program. I've been using Progect and Hi-Note although it's pretty good {and free, to boot}, Shadow has much more to it, is quite a bit more powerful, very intuitive. I only d/l'ed 1.3.11 Fri and have been playing with it ever since. This morning I got 1.4 and it's even better.There are a lot of great features, like the inline note reading and now the zoom. I especially like the way it can Import and Export so easily, and with a little work into and out of such a variety of other programs.
     Is there any way that it could scroll up when you open a parent that is towards the bottom of the screen? That way, the one I'm looking in is filling the screen or at least at the top of it.
    Also, would it be possible to get the Perv and Next commands to skip to the next/last item at the same level as the one that's highlighted, instead of the next/last note of any level? That way I could just jump through whatever level I'm on without having to collapse them all. 
 I don't know if this is a bug or where to report it, but I can't get the Collapse All & Expand All to work using the graffiti strokes. Now, I can do the strokes for those characters but they just don't work as shortcuts. While I'm at it, shouldn't Collapse All do the whole list, is that the "All" part of it? I've found that it only collapses the one that's highlighted. {I've got a PalmIII with OS3.3}

    BTW Can anybody tell me what "dynamic memory" is? And why does it keep making me crash?

TIA,
Demetrios, 
VisionMaster@
CaptiveVisions.com
Are You too, a Captive of the Visions?



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From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:57pm
Subject: Re: Several Things

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Demetrios wrote:

>     First of all, I'd like to say this is a great program. I've been
> using Progect and Hi-Note although it's pretty good {and free, to
> boot}, Shadow has much more to it, is quite a bit more powerful, very
> intuitive. I only d/l'ed 1.3.11 Fri and have been playing with it ever
> since. This morning I got 1.4 and it's even better.There are a lot of
> great features, like the inline note reading and now the zoom. I
> especially like the way it can Import and Export so easily, and with a
> little work into and out of such a variety of other programs.

	Thanks :)  And kudos again to all readers and posters in
shadow-discuss and especially shadow-test.. for without their voices a lot
of features would never have seen the light of day.

>      Is there any way that it could scroll up when you open a parent
> that is towards the bottom of the screen? That way, the one I'm
> looking in is filling the screen or at least at the top of it.

	Hmm, interesting. I think susan had a similar one-tap idea, but
its been a long time. Her idea (I think) was that if you hit page-down, or
the "next" menu item/shortcut, that the screen would jump so thr selected
item was at the top as you weould desire. Then the next hit of the button
or whatever woudl scroll one screen down as expected.

	Anyone? Good? Bad?

>     Also, would it be possible to get the Perv and Next commands to
> skip to the next/last item at the same level as the one that's
> highlighted, instead of the next/last note of any level? That way I
> could just jump through whatever level I'm on without having to
> collapse them all.

	You'll have to wrestle with people and I'd have to go back through
the archives.. I think the current behaviour is "by choice/request", so
there may be good reasons for it. But thats what shadow-discuss is for :)

>  I don't know if this is a bug or where to report it, but I can't get
> the Collapse All & Expand All to work using the graffiti strokes. Now,
> I can do the strokes for those characters but they just don't work as
> shortcuts. While I'm at it, shouldn't Collapse All do the whole list,
> is that the "All" part of it? I've found that it only collapses the
> one that's highlighted. {I've got a PalmIII with OS3.3}

	The shortcuts work for me no problem, on my old 3c and now my
Prism. The collapse-all works as expected, except that it will expand the
one containing the selection so as to keep it visible. I may remove this,
as its sort of odd.. though you can easily deselect and then collapse
all. Its a leftover from an old incarnation and no one has really argued
either way so I've left it. As to collapsing only the selection, thats
odd.. its the reverse. Unless you have a Zoom on, in which case the
collapsing only occurs int he zoom IIRC.

>     BTW Can anybody tell me what "dynamic memory" is? And why does it
> keep making me crash?

	Crash? Have you crashed Shadow or are you talking in general
terms?

	Dynamic memory is the runtime memory your unit has.. as opposed to
the storage oriented memory the palm has. So you might have 8mb of ram,
but with that OS and machine you've likely only got about 30 or 40 k of
dynamic ram. So you shouldn't have any problems until you hit a few
hundred items in a list, but if an individual list gets too large,
problems can occur (Shadow is very dynamic intensive, since its trying to
be fast and uses more ram to do so).

	Perhaps if you are having crashes (no one has reported crashes in
a long long time) then disable some hacks or speedups and see if they go
away.. then figure out which causes it and let me know.

	In the 1.4 -> 1.5 chain, I'll be changing things around and maybe
make Shadow work on much less memory..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Thomas Guldstrand Larsen  <tgl@i...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 11:06pm
Subject: While waiting for the desktop companion!

Hi,

While many of us are waiting for a desktop companion to Shadow, an
alternative exists for typing longer memos, tasks etc. into Shadow and other
apps as well!

Take a look at Mocha Keyboard. It let's you use your PC keyboard and mouse
under Windows-95/98/2000 to enter data into a Palm. A copy of the Palm
screen will be shown on the Windows PC.

How it works:

A .prc-file will be installed on the Palm and run in the background as part
of the OS. When it notice a change on the Palm screen, it will send a data
frame to the Windows PC with the new screen layout. If the Windows PC user
use the keyboard or mouse, a data frame will be send to the Palm, and the
palm application will receive the input.

Take a peek here: http://www.mochasoft.dk/palm.html#key

Regards

/Thomas

From: Anthony Mylonas  <tonyelit@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:51pm
Subject: Questions- Suggestions

Hi 
I am a Progect user and would like to switch to Shadow Plan because of the many enhancements it offers. However Progect has some pretty useful features that i would really like to have in Shadow. i would like to know if they are implemented and if not if they are considered seriously for forthcoming releases. With the current rate of new releases i am sure they will be implemented soon. So here goes
a) Flat View :
Probably Progect's most useful feature
Used as a way to see which tasks need to be done they combine filtering and sorting options in a new view .I would like to be able to sort items displayed in it, eventhough the items when i switch back to the original view, remain as they were (unsorted)
b) Better filtering options
Shadow offers many preset options but what i would really like to see are more configurable ones. For example to be able to choose dates instead of date options such as: this week, Today, to choose priority levels etc
c) Display prefs
One really useful feature i would like to see in Shadow is something like conditional formating. Items overdue  or of a certain priority are presented in Bold in Progect. I  would like to be able to choose in this manner display attributes such as font and colour.
Are any of these features considered or are they already implemented but in a different way?
Thanks for your patience.



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From: chodges@f...
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

Jeff:

First of all I would like to say that you have done a superb job with 
your product.  I have been evaluating this product while using Progect 
for my management tasks here at work.  I happen to be managing a Java 
development team.  Clearly you have taken your time and thought out 
the interface and features and so I have just registered my copy 
today!!

I have one request that would just make this product even better... at 
least in my humble opinion.  Its a feature available in Progect and it 
makes projects easier to look at sometimes.  

Would you be able to include a feature that would show the task list 
in a tree form similar to Progect?  

Thanks,

Christopher Hodges

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 2:43am
Subject: Shadow 1.4.0 Released!

[Sorry for the belated announcement; my ISP decided to take me
offline for 20 hours]

--

Shadow has moved to a new website! Please bookmark
		http://www.codejedi.com
in place of your old bookmarks.

--

Shadow Plan 1.4.0 is another huge stride forward for Palm outliners and
task managers, and for Shadow itself. In a way, it is a maturation point
where the UI has become more streamlined and functional than ever before
and the engine that much more flexible. Work is being done to support
a conduit in a little while, and a desktop application is on its way.
Hold onto your hat -- Shadow just keeps on moving!

* Super customizable views and display modes
* Built in views: Checklist, Tasklist, Notes, and Flat View
* Drag and Drop to move items around
* Powerful single and multi-item clipboard
* Sort by any criterion
* Filter and Hilight lists
* Zoom into sublevels to keep deep levels visible
* Syncronized link to ToDo and Datebook.. and even other
  Shadow outlines! Links to DOCs, Memos, Addressbooks, and more coming!
* Local Find now supported!
* Great date management (with graphing to come!)
* Very flexible auto-numbering and auto-bulleting
* Import and Export (even as HTML!)
* Colour support for emphasis, searches, and clarification
* Keyboard support (with more to come)
* Faster than before!
* Visor friendly!
* The best support available -- email the author, or join
  mailing lists and web forums

This is the best version ever! But as usual, expect frequent updates
with new features all the time!


--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:28am
Subject: Re: Questions- Suggestions

[cannot respond directly; your email is busted]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Anthony Mylonas wrote:

> a) Flat View :
> Probably Progect's most useful feature

> Used as a way to see which tasks need to be done they combine
> filtering and sorting options in a new view .I would like to be able
> to sort items displayed in it, eventhough the items when i switch back
> to the original view, remain as they were (unsorted)

	Check 1.4.0 (just released to the public). It includes a flat view
mode (though you can construct your own via the Custom View mode). Let me
know what you think..

> b) Better filtering options

> Shadow offers many preset options but what i would really like to see
> are more configurable ones. For example to be able to choose dates
> instead of date options such as: this week, Today, to choose priority
> levels etc

	Custom filters are planned, but I'm working on a conduit first
since it is highest on the request list. But I've been dieing to work on
custom filters for ages :)

> c) Display prefs

> One really useful feature i would like to see in Shadow is something
> like conditional formating. Items overdue or of a certain priority are
> presented in Bold in Progect. I would like to be able to choose in
> this manner display attributes such as font and colour. Are any of
> these features considered or are they already implemented but in a
> different way?

	Shadow is very flexible in its display prefs and
customizations.. but more is to come. Check the "hilight" menu, which is
like filtering but hilights and colours an item instead. Once customizable
filters go in, customizable hilights will also go in. You can already
choose to bold and/or colour an item individually.

> Thanks for your patience.

	Thanks for writing, and bug me often :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:31am
Subject: Re: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:

> First of all I would like to say that you have done a superb job with 
> your product.  I have been evaluating this product while using Progect 
> for my management tasks here at work.  I happen to be managing a Java 
> development team.  Clearly you have taken your time and thought out 
> the interface and features and so I have just registered my copy 
> today!!

	Thanks :)

> I have one request that would just make this product even better... at 
> least in my humble opinion.  Its a feature available in Progect and it 
> makes projects easier to look at sometimes.  
> 
> Would you be able to include a feature that would show the task list 
> in a tree form similar to Progect?  

	In a tree form? What do you mean? With lines displaying the
levels? (I don't use the other outliners, since I don't wish to
accidentally steal their features (which coudl be useless). I take feature
requests and evaluate them on their own merits). Describe it for me?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: chodges@f...
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 2:47pm
Subject: Re: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
  
> 
> 	In a tree form? What do you mean? With lines displaying the
> levels? (I don't use the other outliners, since I don't wish to
> accidentally steal their features (which coudl be useless). I take 
feature
> requests and evaluate them on their own merits). Describe it for me?
> 
> 		jeff

Windows Explorer is an example of what I'm talking about. You'll 
notice that on the left hand of the explorer it shows the Desktop 
tree.  As you expand the tree the you'll notice that there are dotted 
lines that help to show the hirearchy of what you're viewing.  For 
example if you expand the My Computer node you'll notice that it will 
expand to show your local drives.  If you expand the drives you'll see 
a list of the folders under each drive with a dotted line showing the 
relationship between the folders and the drive.

+ (C:)
   |
   |_ Atlas
   |
   |_ documentation
   |
   |_ engine

I find that seeing my projects in this way just makes it easier for me 
to see the relationships with each major milestone of my project and 
the tasks under each.

Christopher Hodges

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

We need opinions on this again; but if we search back in the
archives, I'm sure we could find a dozen emails about it, generally
suggesting not to bother.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:

> lines that help to show the hirearchy of what you're viewing.  For 
> example if you expand the My Computer node you'll notice that it will 
> expand to show your local drives.  If you expand the drives you'll see 
> a list of the folders under each drive with a dotted line showing the 
> relationship between the folders and the drive.
> 
> + (C:)
>    |
>    |_ Atlas
>    |
>    |_ documentation
>    |
>    |_ engine
> 
> I find that seeing my projects in this way just makes it easier for me 
> to see the relationships with each major milestone of my project and 
> the tasks under each.

	Thats exactly how it is now, without the lines showing the
connections. We've had this suggestion a couple of times, but not many
peopel take it seriously.. the screen is very small, and if your list is
more than a few items long, or a few items deep, the lines will both waste
a lot of space, and mean nothing.

	ie: If your list is 20 items deep, and you scroll down a few items
so you can't see the parents of a few items, you screen would look like
this:

  |  |  |  some item
  |  |  >  some item
  |  |     some item
  |  >  some item

	Does that clarify much? It wastes lots of horizontal space,
without telling you where the items link to, since its off the screen
top. Imagine if it was a worse case of this...

  |  |  | some item
  |  |  | some item
  |  |  | some item
  |  |  | some item
  |  |  | some item
	(etc)

	You'd see three long lines form top to bottom, form somehwere,
going somewhere.. with no  use since they dont' endpoint to any item
onscreen. So you've lost some screen space, with some confusing lines.

	If people want it, I'll build it, but I just can't see it being
useful.

	But then, I'venot used it on a PDA before either..

	Opinions?

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: web_egroups@r...
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Link to other files!

> > Suppose I make a link from one item in a list to another file in 
Shadow. If I then follow the link to the other file, is there then a 
way in which I can return to the list I came from?? If I press done I 
end up with the overview of all my lists!

> I will be adding a "Back" button soon, so you can go back through a 
series of links.

Have you thought about emulating this effect with links to external 
appls like the Datebook and ToDo? I'm trying out ShadowPlan to see if 
it will work as a project planner for me. I've broken down each 
project milestone into tasks and linked those tasks to ToDo or 
datebook entries. When I see the task in DateBk4, I'd like to be able 
to click something and be taken to the appropriate entry in 
ShadowPlan.

For this to work well, Palm needs to implement inner and intra 
application linking at an OS level. However, until that happens, do 
you know of a way to get this working? I know of one application, 
LinkMaster, that has an API for this. The developer has wrote proxy 
stubs for the built-in databases. If these stubs work well and 
linking is easily added to ShadowPlan then this would give you a way 
to do 2-way links to (at least) the built-in apps. Go to 
http://linkmaster.sourceforge.net for more info.

> > It could be a nice feature [I think ;-)] if it was possible to 
return to the original list after following a link! Much like 
the "back" button works in a browser!

> Exactly. I'm gong to add Back and Forweard, and maybe a listing of 
recently visited files.

I think that this is a good UI for linking. Very intuitive.

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2001 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Link to other files!

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 web_egroups@r... wrote:

> it will work as a project planner for me. I've broken down each 
> project milestone into tasks and linked those tasks to ToDo or 
> datebook entries. When I see the task in DateBk4, I'd like to be able 
> to click something and be taken to the appropriate entry in 
> ShadowPlan.

	The other applications would have to be extended in this
case.. either they'd have to code it, or a hack would have to be written,
or some other trick. There are some totally 3rd party apps to help out,
but in your case, you really want a smart link back, just as Shadow can
link forward. I can't help in this case, since its the other guys who have
to change their app :/

	Does DateBk support LinkMaster? I may add LM support, which might
enable some of this behaviour..

> For this to work well, Palm needs to implement inner and intra 
> application linking at an OS level. However, until that happens, do 
> you know of a way to get this working? I know of one application, 
> LinkMaster, that has an API for this. The developer has wrote proxy 
> stubs for the built-in databases. If these stubs work well and 
> linking is easily added to ShadowPlan then this would give you a way 
> to do 2-way links to (at least) the built-in apps. Go to 
> http://linkmaster.sourceforge.net for more info.

	Oh ho, you are right on top of things :) I will likely add LM
support after the conduit is more or less on its way.. I need to focus on
that project for a bit.

> > > It could be a nice feature [I think ;-)] if it was possible to 
> return to the original list after following a link! Much like 
> the "back" button works in a browser!
> 
> > Exactly. I'm gong to add Back and Forweard, and maybe a listing of 
> recently visited files.
> 
> I think that this is a good UI for linking. Very intuitive.

	Yep; I like linking to shadow files all over the place.. I find it
very useful. But I usually put a "link back" at the top of each shadow
file out of old habits.. I'll be really happy when I add "back" and
"recently visited files". (I don't think I'll add Forward, or the ability
to go back 3 times.. just Back once, and recently visited? Or should I
store a whole series of filenames so you can go back and forward a few
times...)

	Thanks for the ideas. Write again in a few weeks, once I've got a
conduit partially under control.. lots of Shadow core changes to fit to
it, so I'll be busy.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Anthony Mylonas  <tonyelit@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 0:06am
Subject: Re: Questions- Suggestions

Thanks for a swift response (the swiftest i have ever received :-) 
Taking into account all your info and previous postings,  these are 
my suggestions (writen in Shadow of course) 
I realise that  your priority is the conduit  and rightly so but i 
can't afford to postpone this email because with the rate you 
incorporate improvements i would miss my chance to present my views 
on what i want!!. So here goes
a)Flat view 
From what i read you are going to implement the "suppress parents" 
option. When you do, it would be extremely helpful to include an 
option to ignore a particular item eventhough it has no children as 
it could be for organizational purposes only (as a header) perhaps 
with a new special type of item
b) Dbk4 compatibility enhancement
B.1)I would like to know if an event or to do comes from a link, so 
perhaps on the stub database (dbk or todo) a special character at the 
end of the event could be inserted
B.2)Dbk4 suports fonts and other options such as advance notice on 
appointments with special tags on the note of an event ( documented 
extensively on its manual) so perhaps options such as 
fonts ,alarms ,advance notices could be set rather easily i think 
from shadow 
B.3)Dbk4 suports categories and icons (with the tag format mentioned 
abov. Perhaps these could be set also from shadow for a linked event 
and even better set automaticaly (optionaly) for an event that it's 
lists category, matches a category in dbk4
c)Explorer like Tree view I saw in a post from Christopher Hodges as 
used by Progect.
I certainly second that opinion which could perhaps be selected 
optionaly

I know i am spoiled for asking so many extra options but all of the 
above must be considered only as suggestions and possible ways to 
explore.

P.S Shadow is the software i registered with the shortest trial time 
period ever :-) 

Thanks again for a great product






--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> [cannot respond directly; your email is busted]
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Anthony Mylonas wrote:
> 
> > a) Flat View :
> > Probably Progect's most useful feature
> 
> > Used as a way to see which tasks need to be done they combine
> > filtering and sorting options in a new view .I would like to be 
able
> > to sort items displayed in it, eventhough the items when i switch 
back
> > to the original view, remain as they were (unsorted)
> 
> 	Check 1.4.0 (just released to the public). It includes a flat 
view
> mode (though you can construct your own via the Custom View mode). 
Let me
> know what you think..
> 
> > b) Better filtering options
> 
> > Shadow offers many preset options but what i would really like to 
see
> > are more configurable ones. For example to be able to choose dates
> > instead of date options such as: this week, Today, to choose 
priority
> > levels etc
> 
> 	Custom filters are planned, but I'm working on a conduit first
> since it is highest on the request list. But I've been dieing to 
work on
> custom filters for ages :)
> 
> > c) Display prefs
> 
> > One really useful feature i would like to see in Shadow is 
something
> > like conditional formating. Items overdue or of a certain 
priority are
> > presented in Bold in Progect. I would like to be able to choose in
> > this manner display attributes such as font and colour. Are any of
> > these features considered or are they already implemented but in a
> > different way?
> 
> 	Shadow is very flexible in its display prefs and
> customizations.. but more is to come. Check the "hilight" menu, 
which is
> like filtering but hilights and colours an item instead. Once 
customizable
> filters go in, customizable hilights will also go in. You can 
already
> choose to bold and/or colour an item individually.
> 
> > Thanks for your patience.
> 
> 	Thanks for writing, and bug me often :)
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 2:24am
Subject: Re: Re: Questions- Suggestions

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Anthony Mylonas wrote:

> Thanks for a swift response (the swiftest i have ever received :-) 

	I aim to please :)

> I realise that  your priority is the conduit  and rightly so but i 
> can't afford to postpone this email because with the rate you 
> incorporate improvements i would miss my chance to present my views 
> on what i want!!. So here goes

	heh. I expect that there'll be fewer releases for the next few
weeks, as I wrestle with the conduit. Its a whole second platform to
support and I'm building from scratch this round, so it'll be
slower.. though I'll be releasing a efw 1.4.x mini  releases with little
things and bugfixes, to tide you over :)

> a)Flat view 

	I'll see hwat I can do; flat view changes are a ways off right
now, sadly.

> b) Dbk4 compatibility enhancement

	Woa, lots of things here :) I'm in a rush right now, so I wont' go
into detailed responses.. but I would like to add lots of DBk4
enhancements in the future, since damned near everyone uses it :) But
since its spending time supporting a single other app, I'm prioritizing
the harder tiems down.. since I coudl better spend time improving Shadow,
perhaps, for everyone. But some of the DaterBk4 stuff like categories
coudl be very useful..

> P.S Shadow is the software i registered with the shortest trial time 
> period ever :-) 

	Thanks :) I'm just glad it suits you so well.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:36am
Subject: Re: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

I vote no lines.

Using the indent is plenty clear for me, and I want the screen real 
estate for text.

tommyb



--- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 
> 	We need opinions on this again; but if we search back in the
> archives, I'm sure we could find a dozen emails about it, generally
> suggesting not to bother.
> 
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:
> 
> > lines that help to show the hirearchy of what you're viewing.  
For 
> > example if you expand the My Computer node you'll notice that it 
will 
> > expand to show your local drives.  If you expand the drives 
you'll see 
> > a list of the folders under each drive with a dotted line showing 
the 
> > relationship between the folders and the drive.
> > 
> > + (C:)
> >    |
> >    |_ Atlas
> >    |
> >    |_ documentation
> >    |
> >    |_ engine
> > 
> > I find that seeing my projects in this way just makes it easier 
for me 
> > to see the relationships with each major milestone of my project 
and 
> > the tasks under each.
> 
> 	Thats exactly how it is now, without the lines showing the
> connections. We've had this suggestion a couple of times, but not 
many
> peopel take it seriously.. the screen is very small, and if your 
list is
> more than a few items long, or a few items deep, the lines will 
both waste
> a lot of space, and mean nothing.
> 
> 	ie: If your list is 20 items deep, and you scroll down a few 
items
> so you can't see the parents of a few items, you screen would look 
like
> this:
> 
>   |  |  |  some item
>   |  |  >  some item
>   |  |     some item
>   |  >  some item
> 
> 	Does that clarify much? It wastes lots of horizontal space,
> without telling you where the items link to, since its off the 
screen
> top. Imagine if it was a worse case of this...
> 
>   |  |  | some item
>   |  |  | some item
>   |  |  | some item
>   |  |  | some item
>   |  |  | some item
> 	(etc)
> 
> 	You'd see three long lines form top to bottom, form somehwere,
> going somewhere.. with no  use since they dont' endpoint to any item
> onscreen. So you've lost some screen space, with some confusing 
lines.
> 
> 	If people want it, I'll build it, but I just can't see it 
being
> useful.
> 
> 	But then, I'venot used it on a PDA before either..
> 
> 	Opinions?
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: lists@t...
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:25pm
Subject: Categories and filenames

I noticed a mention about not being able to have duplicate filenames 
within Shadow. The reasoning was that by the time you appended the 
category name to filename you'd be left with very little space for 
the filename itself.

Before I suggest, please understand I really don't care if one can 
have duplicate names or not. I am not sure how many requests you've 
received for the feature but below is a possible way to get around it.

Map each category to a hex number, 0-D for the 14 categories. Each 
file name would then become ShadP-?filename, where ? is the 
appropriate hex notation. Perhaps you could even remove the - so that 
you aren't taking any characters from the filename length.

Just an idea that ran through my mind...

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Categories and filenames

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 lists@t... wrote:

> I noticed a mention about not being able to have duplicate filenames 
> within Shadow. The reasoning was that by the time you appended the 
> category name to filename you'd be left with very little space for 
> the filename itself.

	Theres more to it, but that was one of the biggies. I considered
encoding a category name, or using a filename-file which mapped the user
filename to a palmfilename, and thus allowed me to do anything. But all of
these solutions potentially confuse the user, and I wanted to avoid that.

> Map each category to a hex number, 0-D for the 14 categories. Each 
> file name would then become ShadP-?filename, where ? is the 
> appropriate hex notation. Perhaps you could even remove the - so that 
> you aren't taking any characters from the filename length.

	Yeah; I actually left the "-" as a place-holder, where "-" means
wildcard like it does not, otherwise I could stick a coded character in
for other things. But I've got a conduit coming, and a conduit could make
it irrelevant if I wish to get sneaky..

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: demetrios@c...
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 0:00pm
Subject: DateBk4

Does anybody {ie Jeff:} know anything about why Shadow's Creator 
ID , Coog, does not work in DateBk4? What it is, is that DB4 can 
launch an app from within it's self and it uses the creator ID to do 
that. The consensus is that it's probaly someting about Shadow, 
because other programs work in DB4. Any ideas "anybody"?

Demetrios, 
VisionMaster@C...
Are You too, a Captive of the Visions?

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 1:33pm
Subject: Re: DateBk4

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 demetrios@c... wrote:

>     Does anybody {ie Jeff:} know anything about why Shadow's Creator 
> ID , Coog, does not work in DateBk4? What it is, is that DB4 can 
> launch an app from within it's self and it uses the creator ID to do 
> that. The consensus is that it's probaly someting about Shadow, 
> because other programs work in DB4. Any ideas "anybody"?

	Someone just brought this up; whcih version of DB4 can do
this? (The version I have just has a "sync checkbox" beside Cancel on the
More Options window, where the Creator-ID is supposed to be. What would
you launch the app for, since there isn't linking? Or is it just to launch
an app, for launching sake?

	I need to know "how" (in Palm OS terms) he is launching
Shadow. What sort of "launch code", specifically.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: chodges@f...
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 2:00pm
Subject: A Feature that would help Managers

I have another idea that would help immensely for those of us in 
management positions.  It would be great if Shadow had the capability 
to not only list tasks but be able to assign resources to each task.  
Currently I'm using Shadow to track my group's progress and I have 
tasks listed that need to get done for each milestone but I have no 
way (besides writing a note for each - sloppy!) to specifying which 
person is handling each task.

Thanks,

Christopher Hodges

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:08pm
Subject: Re: A Feature that would help Managers

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:

> I have another idea that would help immensely for those of us in 
> management positions.  It would be great if Shadow had the capability 
> to not only list tasks but be able to assign resources to each task.  
> Currently I'm using Shadow to track my group's progress and I have 
> tasks listed that need to get done for each milestone but I have no 
> way (besides writing a note for each - sloppy!) to specifying which 
> person is handling each task.

	This is planned for the 1.5 release, so alphas and beta swill
start to have it in a few weeks (I'm focusing on the conduit
currently). We call it "tagging", so that it can refer to resources or
other things.. like "mike", "buy new PC", or "1 grosse", depending on your
needs. There will be a list menu item to "edit tags", and you'll be
allowed 128 tags per list. Assign one or two tags to an item, and sort and
filter based on tags will be enabled. All in all, it'll be a *great*
addition to Shadow, I think.

	Also planned is a "miscellaneous field" .. a small (20
chars?) text field where you can write whatever you like in. And much much
more :)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: chodges@f...
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:32pm
Subject: Re: A Feature that would help Managers

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	This is planned for the 1.5 release, so alphas and beta swill
> start to have it in a few weeks (I'm focusing on the conduit
> currently). We call it "tagging", so that it can refer to resources 
or
> other things.. like "mike", "buy new PC", or "1 grosse", depending 
on your
> needs. There will be a list menu item to "edit tags", and you'll be
> allowed 128 tags per list. Assign one or two tags to an item, and 
sort and
> filter based on tags will be enabled. All in all, it'll be a *great*
> addition to Shadow, I think.
> 
> 	Also planned is a "miscellaneous field" .. a small (20
> chars?) text field where you can write whatever you like in. And 
much much
> more :)

Awesome!!

From: chodges@f...
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:32pm
Subject: Re: A Feature that would help Managers

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> 	This is planned for the 1.5 release, so alphas and beta swill
> start to have it in a few weeks (I'm focusing on the conduit
> currently). We call it "tagging", so that it can refer to resources 
or
> other things.. like "mike", "buy new PC", or "1 grosse", depending 
on your
> needs. There will be a list menu item to "edit tags", and you'll be
> allowed 128 tags per list. Assign one or two tags to an item, and 
sort and
> filter based on tags will be enabled. All in all, it'll be a *great*
> addition to Shadow, I think.
> 
> 	Also planned is a "miscellaneous field" .. a small (20
> chars?) text field where you can write whatever you like in. And 
much much
> more :)

Awesome!!

Christopher Hodges

From: Kevin  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 5:44pm
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 demetrios@c... wrote:
> >     Does anybody {ie Jeff:} know anything about why Shadow's Creator
> > ID , Coog, does not work in DateBk4?

> I need to know "how" (in Palm OS terms) he is launching
> Shadow. What sort of "launch code", specifically.
>
> jeff

Jeff, the developer of Datebk4 is very approachable.  Knowing that you're
the developer of Shadow Plan, you two could probably establish a very good
dialog.  I have seen both of you work over time, and your personalities, and
I think both of you approach development in a similar way -- listening to
the input of the users, and putting some very useful features in the program
in a way which seems to be coded very well.

The version of Datebk4 that does this is the 4.0 betas.  I'm not sure if 4.0
itself does this, but I know at least 4.0d did, and later betas.  There is
an e-group for Datebk4, and Shadow Plan is mentioned there a lot.

An unrelated but sort of similar feature I'd love to see is being able to
return to Shadow Plan when using the link to go to the other applications.
Arranger has done this for a long time.  The way it works is you go to the
linked application (e.g. Datebk4), then when you tap the silk screen
Application button you return to Shadow Plan.  That would enable things like
setting time, floats, categories, and all the features available in the
target application, then an easy return to Shadow Plan.

Kevin

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:19pm
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Kevin wrote:

> 
> Jeff, the developer of Datebk4 is very approachable.  Knowing that you're
> the developer of Shadow Plan, you two could probably establish a very good
> dialog.  I have seen both of you work over time, and your personalities, and
> I think both of you approach development in a similar way -- listening to
> the input of the users, and putting some very useful features in the program
> in a way which seems to be coded very well.

	I've only heard good things about CESD; I'll take a look at the
egroup (now yahoo.. how annoying :P)

> The version of Datebk4 that does this is the 4.0 betas.  I'm not sure if 4.0
> itself does this, but I know at least 4.0d did, and later betas.  There is
> an e-group for Datebk4, and Shadow Plan is mentioned there a lot.

	Should I be keeping an eye on it?

> An unrelated but sort of similar feature I'd love to see is being able to
> return to Shadow Plan when using the link to go to the other applications.
> Arranger has done this for a long time.  The way it works is you go to the
> linked application (e.g. Datebk4), then when you tap the silk screen
> Application button you return to Shadow Plan.  That would enable things like

	yeah; I need to look into this.. theres some trick going on there,
and I've just had no time to investigate.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: web_egroups@r...
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:49pm
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

> An unrelated but sort of similar feature I'd love to see is being 
able to
> return to Shadow Plan when using the link to go to the other 
applications.
> Arranger has done this for a long time.  The way it works is you go 
to the
> linked application (e.g. Datebk4), then when you tap the silk screen
> Application button you return to Shadow Plan.  That would enable 
things like
> setting time, floats, categories, and all the features available in 
the
> target application, then an easy return to Shadow Plan.

You can currently use App/DA Launcher to bounce back and forth 
between the current app and the last app. It work just like Kevin 
mentioned, touch a part of the App button and you return to the 
previous app. You can also popup a small history of previous apps to 
go to, call the regular application launcher, and launch desktop 
accessories.

The version I have is 0.5.2 and I've used it without problems on a 
Palm IIIx (OS 3.3), IIIxe (OS 3.5), and a Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2H).

I would also love to see some form of 2-way linking between DateBk4 
and Shadow. That way I could go from the ToDo reminder in DateBk4 to 
the proper record in Shadow. LinkMaster is supposed to do this, but 
the launching application has to be LinkMaster aware. Currently there 
are very few apps that are LinkMaster aware.

Jim

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2001 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 web_egroups@r... wrote:

> You can currently use App/DA Launcher to bounce back and forth 
> between the current app and the last app. It work just like Kevin 

	Yep, though I'll be building it into Shadow soon, since its handy
:)

> I would also love to see some form of 2-way linking between DateBk4 
> and Shadow. That way I could go from the ToDo reminder in DateBk4 to 
> the proper record in Shadow. LinkMaster is supposed to do this, but 
> the launching application has to be LinkMaster aware. Currently there 
> are very few apps that are LinkMaster aware.

	I will eventually make it LM aware; its some cool stuff, thats for
sure. It is not prioritized yet though..

		jef

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 4:16am
Subject: Re: DateBk4

CESD will probably reply directly to the message which you posted in 
the Pimlicodatebk4 egroup, but...

it opens the app in question and passes the current record/date to 
the new app.  That means that the app should have a need for that 
info.  As far as I know, it won't launch just any app.

tommyb



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 demetrios@c... wrote:
> 
> >     Does anybody {ie Jeff:} know anything about why Shadow's 
Creator 
> > ID , Coog, does not work in DateBk4? What it is, is that DB4 can 
> > launch an app from within it's self and it uses the creator ID to 
do 
> > that. The consensus is that it's probaly someting about Shadow, 
> > because other programs work in DB4. Any ideas "anybody"?
> 
> 	Someone just brought this up; whcih version of DB4 can do
> this? (The version I have just has a "sync checkbox" beside Cancel 
on the
> More Options window, where the Creator-ID is supposed to be. What 
would
> you launch the app for, since there isn't linking? Or is it just to 
launch
> an app, for launching sake?
> 
> 	I need to know "how" (in Palm OS terms) he is launching
> Shadow. What sort of "launch code", specifically.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: warrick@m...
Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: Re: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

Hear, hear !
Me too ... no lines for this li'l black duck either !
Warrick A.

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., tommyb@i... wrote:
> I vote no lines.
> 
> Using the indent is plenty clear for me, and I want the screen real 
> estate for text.
> 
> tommyb
> 
> 
> 
> --- In shadow-discuss@egroups.com, Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > 	We need opinions on this again; but if we search back in the
> > archives, I'm sure we could find a dozen emails about it, 
generally
> > suggesting not to bother.
> > 
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:
> > 
> > > lines that help to show the hirearchy of what you're viewing.  
> For 
> > > example if you expand the My Computer node you'll notice that 
it 
> will 
> > > expand to show your local drives.  If you expand the drives 
> you'll see 
> > > a list of the folders under each drive with a dotted line 
showing 
> the 
> > > relationship between the folders and the drive.
> > > 
> > > + (C:)
> > >    |
> > >    |_ Atlas
> > >    |
> > >    |_ documentation
> > >    |
> > >    |_ engine
> > > 
> > > I find that seeing my projects in this way just makes it easier 
> for me 
> > > to see the relationships with each major milestone of my 
project 
> and 
> > > the tasks under each.
> > 
> > 	Thats exactly how it is now, without the lines showing the
> > connections. We've had this suggestion a couple of times, but not 
> many
> > peopel take it seriously.. the screen is very small, and if your 
> list is
> > more than a few items long, or a few items deep, the lines will 
> both waste
> > a lot of space, and mean nothing.
> > 
> > 	ie: If your list is 20 items deep, and you scroll down a few 
> items
> > so you can't see the parents of a few items, you screen would 
look 
> like
> > this:
> > 
> >   |  |  |  some item
> >   |  |  >  some item
> >   |  |     some item
> >   |  >  some item
> > 
> > 	Does that clarify much? It wastes lots of horizontal space,
> > without telling you where the items link to, since its off the 
> screen
> > top. Imagine if it was a worse case of this...
> > 
> >   |  |  | some item
> >   |  |  | some item
> >   |  |  | some item
> >   |  |  | some item
> >   |  |  | some item
> > 	(etc)
> > 
> > 	You'd see three long lines form top to bottom, form somehwere,
> > going somewhere.. with no  use since they dont' endpoint to any 
item
> > onscreen. So you've lost some screen space, with some confusing 
> lines.
> > 
> > 	If people want it, I'll build it, but I just can't see it 
> being
> > useful.
> > 
> > 	But then, I'venot used it on a PDA before either..
> > 
> > 	Opinions?
> > 
> > 		jeff
> > 
> > --
> > "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
> micro
> > circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> > sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
> is?"
> > -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: Kevin  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: DateBk4

> CESD will probably reply directly to the message which you posted in
> the Pimlicodatebk4 egroup, but...
>
> it opens the app in question and passes the current record/date to
> the new app.  That means that the app should have a need for that
> info.  As far as I know, it won't launch just any app.
>
> tommyb

This is my understanding too, that it won't launch just any app.  When I
tried to do that (launch any app) I ran across many that caused an abend in
the beta.  I'm not entirely clear what the Launch function in Datebk4 is
intended for, but I think at least originally that it was for journal type
apps which can accept a date as Tommy mentioned.

Kevin

From: Kevin  <kfosler@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 2:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: One Suggestion that would enhance useability

---- Original Message ----- 
From: <warrick@m...>


> Hear, hear !
> Me too ... no lines for this li'l black duck either !
> Warrick A.

I also prefer no lines.  

Kevin

From: dauvergne.sims  <dauvergne.sims@c...>
Date: Sat Jan 27, 2001 11:43pm
Subject: Shadow Fatal Error!

Well, I just started using ShadowPlan as a text editor; I usually use it to 
organize actions.  While I was inputting text today, I inadvertently 
reached the size limit of the text box in Details.  I tried to continue to 
work in ShadowPlan, but I got a fatal error very soon afterwards.

I soft reset my Palm Vx and lost the text since my last save; also, 
PopFavorites was affected - it displayed a different set of applications, 
even though its setup had not been changed by the crash.  However, after 
another soft reset, all was OK.

I am aware that the note has a 4K size limit, but I was only inputting 
small chunks of text in Details.  After the fatal error I made sure not to 
reach the size limit & there were no more problems.

Shadow is extremely stable; this is the first time Shadow has crashed for 
me since last October when I installed it!

If it is necessary, I will try to reproduce it so that this bug can be 
fixed; or it may have been "one of those things".

Terrific program, Jeff, apart from this minor glitch.

From: easy-123@e...
Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 2:45am
Subject: Re: Shadow Fatal Error!

For text editing, have you thought about using peditPro. It is a true 
text editor that can go far beyond the 4K limit up to 32K. In fact, 
the way Paul Nevai, the author, wrote the program it will seamlessly 
create "segmented" memos. In other words, as you reach the end of 
space for one memo, a new one will be created. In this way, the only 
size restriction left is the size of you RAM.

Stan

--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "dauvergne.sims" <dauvergne.sims@c...> 
wrote:
> 
> Well, I just started using ShadowPlan as a text editor; I usually 
use it to 
> organize actions.  While I was inputting text today, I 
inadvertently 
> reached the size limit of the text box in Details.  I tried to 
continue to 
> work in ShadowPlan, but I got a fatal error very soon afterwards.
> 
> I soft reset my Palm Vx and lost the text since my last save; also, 
> PopFavorites was affected - it displayed a different set of 
applications, 
> even though its setup had not been changed by the crash.  However, 
after 
> another soft reset, all was OK.
> 
> I am aware that the note has a 4K size limit, but I was only 
inputting 
> small chunks of text in Details.  After the fatal error I made sure 
not to 
> reach the size limit & there were no more problems.
> 
> Shadow is extremely stable; this is the first time Shadow has 
crashed for 
> me since last October when I installed it!
> 
> If it is necessary, I will try to reproduce it so that this bug can 
be 
> fixed; or it may have been "one of those things".
> 
> Terrific program, Jeff, apart from this minor glitch.

From: Peter Bulthuis  <bulthuis@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 0:52pm
Subject: RE: Re: Shadow Fatal Error!

> For text editing, have you thought about using peditPro. It is a true
> text editor that can go far beyond the 4K limit up to 32K. In fact,
> the way Paul Nevai, the author, wrote the program it will seamlessly
> create "segmented" memos. In other words, as you reach the end of
> space for one memo, a new one will be created. In this way, the only
> size restriction left is the size of you RAM.
>
> Stan
>


Almost right, I think: the sizerestriction isn't as big as your RAM, but is
'only' 32K.

But using peditPro may not be a good excuse for not fixing the bug in
Shadow. (If there 's one and it's not a bug in the Palm OS)

Peter B

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 28, 2001 6:01pm
Subject: Re: Shadow Fatal Error!

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, dauvergne.sims wrote:

> organize actions.  While I was inputting text today, I inadvertently 
> reached the size limit of the text box in Details.  I tried to continue to 
> work in ShadowPlan, but I got a fatal error very soon afterwards.

	Someone mentioned something related a little while ago; there
might be a slight problem if you hit exactly 4k on the memos.. I'm not
sure. I've not seen it too often, and I'm not sure if it always occurs on
all platforms/versions. Sounds like it may. I'll put it on my list of
things to do for the 1.4.1 alpha..

	Does it happen on version 1.4.0?

> I am aware that the note has a 4K size limit, but I was only inputting 
> small chunks of text in Details.  After the fatal error I made sure not to 
> reach the size limit & there were no more problems.

	Hmrf. Sorry about that :/ I'll see if I can fix it up for you.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: dauvergne.sims  <dauvergne.sims@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 2:31am
Subject: RE: Shadow Fatal Error!

I am using 1.4.0r and OS 3.5.2.  Thanks for looking at this 4K issue!

Paul D'Auvergne


-----Original Message-----
From:	Jeff Mitchell [SMTP:support@s...]
Sent:	Sunday, January 28, 2001 1:01 PM
To:	'shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com'
Cc:	'shadow-discuss@j...'
Subject:	Re: [shadow-discuss] Shadow Fatal Error!

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, dauvergne.sims wrote:

> organize actions.  While I was inputting text today, I inadvertently 
> reached the size limit of the text box in Details.  I tried to continue to 
> work in ShadowPlan, but I got a fatal error very soon afterwards.

	Someone mentioned something related a little while ago; there
might be a slight problem if you hit exactly 4k on the memos.. I'm not
sure. I've not seen it too often, and I'm not sure if it always occurs on
all platforms/versions. Sounds like it may. I'll put it on my list of
things to do for the 1.4.1 alpha..

	Does it happen on version 1.4.0?

> I am aware that the note has a 4K size limit, but I was only inputting 
> small chunks of text in Details.  After the fatal error I made sure not to 
> reach the size limit & there were no more problems.

	Hmrf. Sorry about that :/ I'll see if I can fix it up for you.

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_



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From: Peter Grierson  <peter.grierson@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 29, 2001 10:30am
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

Phlegm Hack:  The Useful App with the Ugly Name..

    http://blevins.simplenet.com/palm/

Also provides switching between two programs and will popup a list of
recently launched applications.

The list of recent applications can be modified to always show favorite
applications and to exclude apps as well


------ Original Message --------

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:49:28 -0000

From: web_egroups@r...

Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

<snip>

You can currently use App/DA Launcher to bounce back and forth

between the current app and the last app. It work just like Kevin

mentioned, touch a part of the App button and you return to the

previous app. You can also popup a small history of previous apps to

go to, call the regular application launcher, and launch desktop

accessories.

The version I have is 0.5.2 and I've used it without problems on a

Palm IIIx (OS 3.3), IIIxe (OS 3.5), and a Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2H).

I would also love to see some form of 2-way linking between DateBk4

and Shadow. That way I could go from the ToDo reminder in DateBk4 to

the proper record in Shadow. LinkMaster is supposed to do this, but

the launching application has to be LinkMaster aware. Currently there

are very few apps that are LinkMaster aware.

Jim



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:17am
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

I would suggest McPhing instead.  It is Phlegm rewritten and 
debugged.  Also supports color, and icons in the popup list.

Phlegm crashed my Prism more often than any other app.  McPhling has 
fixed that problem totally.

Search Palmgear.com

tommyb




--- In shadow-discuss@y..., "Peter Grierson" <peter.grierson@s...> 
wrote:
> Phlegm Hack:  The Useful App with the Ugly Name..
> 
>     http://blevins.simplenet.com/palm/
> 
> Also provides switching between two programs and will popup a list 
of
> recently launched applications.
> 
> The list of recent applications can be modified to always show 
favorite
> applications and to exclude apps as well
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message --------
> 
> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:49:28 -0000
> 
> From: web_egroups@r...
> 
> Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return
> 
> <snip>
> 
> You can currently use App/DA Launcher to bounce back and forth
> 
> between the current app and the last app. It work just like Kevin
> 
> mentioned, touch a part of the App button and you return to the
> 
> previous app. You can also popup a small history of previous apps to
> 
> go to, call the regular application launcher, and launch desktop
> 
> accessories.
> 
> The version I have is 0.5.2 and I've used it without problems on a
> 
> Palm IIIx (OS 3.3), IIIxe (OS 3.5), and a Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2H).
> 
> I would also love to see some form of 2-way linking between DateBk4
> 
> and Shadow. That way I could go from the ToDo reminder in DateBk4 to
> 
> the proper record in Shadow. LinkMaster is supposed to do this, but
> 
> the launching application has to be LinkMaster aware. Currently 
there
> 
> are very few apps that are LinkMaster aware.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: Peter Grierson  <peter.grierson@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:46am
Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

Another app to switch between applications or invoke favorites.

McPhling 1.6 is built on PhlegmHack code and has been adapted for Palm OS
3.5




 Web Page: http://MikeMcCollister/palm/




Phlegm Hack: The Useful App with the Ugly Name..

http://blevins.simplenet.com/palm/

Also provides switching between two programs and will popup a list of

recently launched applications.

The list of recent applications can be modified to always show favorite

applications and to exclude apps as well



------ Original Message --------

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:49:28 -0000

From: web_egroups@r...

Subject: Re: DateBk4 Launch / Arranger Return

<snip>

You can currently use App/DA Launcher to bounce back and forth

between the current app and the last app. It work just like Kevin

mentioned, touch a part of the App button and you return to the

previous app. You can also popup a small history of previous apps to

go to, call the regular application launcher, and launch desktop

accessories.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From: tommyb@i...
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:48pm
Subject: Shadow suggestion

two ideas for the next version of Shadow (when you get through with 
the conduit)

1.  add a bold button to the item options page.

2.  when in the task list, and showing the  link arrow column...
    if there are no links, and the only choice is "item options",
    let a click take you directly to item options, without showing
    the one-item menu

3.  (I know I said 2, but this isn't new)  still hoping for a double
    click on note icon to open a note, when "show notes" enabled.

Great job, Jeff.  Anxiously awaiting the next version.

tommyb

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 3:46pm
Subject: Re: Shadow suggestion

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 tommyb@i... wrote:

> 1.  add a bold button to the item options page.

	Hmm. I'm in debate about that -- I now have colour option on the
Option window, and the detail window (to be really conveniant). Should I
put bold onto the option window as well, or should both options just be in
details?

> 2.  when in the task list, and showing the  link arrow column...
>     if there are no links, and the only choice is "item options",
>     let a click take you directly to item options, without showing
>     the one-item menu

	We talked about this sort of thing a couple months back; it was
decided by everyone that a consistant UI is better than a
usually-consistant-but-not-always one. Though I'm open to others
suggestions. But it coudl alarm people to have it act differently for some
of their linked items..

> 3.  (I know I said 2, but this isn't new)  still hoping for a double
>     click on note icon to open a note, when "show notes" enabled.

	Yep; this will happen.. I'm just not sure when yet :) Sorry :) I'm
tied up working on the conduit and making it super safe.. I don't want to
side track myself this time (normalyl I put out a version every few days
or week, but this time I'm opting for focus).

> Great job, Jeff.  Anxiously awaiting the next version.

	Its going to be *GREAT* ;)

		jeff

--
"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: chodges@f...
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 4:23pm
Subject: Suppress Progress on Children Suggestion

Jeff:

One feature that would be nice if to have an option that would 
suppress the progress on children that don't have their own children.  
This option currently seems to be an all-or-nothing proposition.  Let 
me illustrate what I'm proposing:


- Version 1.1      (Progress bar)
    - New features   (Progress bar)
          1- Portfolio implementation (No progress bar)
          2- Portfolio extraction  (No progress bar)
    - Issues  (Progress bar)
          1- Multi-dimensional items  (No progress bar)
          2- Name conflicts in entity searching (No progress bar)
- Version 1.2      (Progress bar)
    - New features  (Progress bar)
          1 - Good stuff  (No progress bar)
          2 - Bad stuff  (No progress bar)
    - Issues        (Progress bar)
          1 - Fix everything else  (No progress bar)

By having the program behave as above it becomes easier for me to 
track how much of each sub-task (New features, Issues) have been 
completed.  And by connecting the completion of each sub-task to the 
overall task (Version 1.1) progress bar I can very easily get an 
estimate as to how my team is doing and where we are.

Thanks,

Christopher Hodges

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Suppress Progress on Children Suggestion

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:

> One feature that would be nice if to have an option that would 
> suppress the progress on children that don't have their own children.  
> This option currently seems to be an all-or-nothing proposition.  Let 
> me illustrate what I'm proposing:

	Anyone else with comments? Theres been a few suggestions around
this sort of thing.. anyone have any other ideas on good rules for
supressing progress bars where not needed?

	Something like this should go in.. I can change the existing pref
to be more useful.

		jeff

> - Version 1.1      (Progress bar)
>     - New features   (Progress bar)
>           1- Portfolio implementation (No progress bar)
>           2- Portfolio extraction  (No progress bar)
>     - Issues  (Progress bar)
>           1- Multi-dimensional items  (No progress bar)
>           2- Name conflicts in entity searching (No progress bar)
> - Version 1.2      (Progress bar)
>     - New features  (Progress bar)
>           1 - Good stuff  (No progress bar)
>           2 - Bad stuff  (No progress bar)
>     - Issues        (Progress bar)
>           1 - Fix everything else  (No progress bar)
> 
> By having the program behave as above it becomes easier for me to 
> track how much of each sub-task (New features, Issues) have been 
> completed.  And by connecting the completion of each sub-task to the 
> overall task (Version 1.1) progress bar I can very easily get an 
> estimate as to how my team is doing and where we are.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Christopher Hodges
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: lists@t...
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:14pm
Subject: Re: Suppress Progress on Children Suggestion

OK, so it would be a pain... But I think the best way would be to 
have a preference setting for the parent item. In this example the 
setting for Version 1.1 would have the option to show progress bars 
on children where New Items and Issues would not have the option 
selected. 



--- In shadow-discuss@y..., Jeff Mitchell <support@s...> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:
> 
> > One feature that would be nice if to have an option that would 
> > suppress the progress on children that don't have their own 
children.  
> > This option currently seems to be an all-or-nothing proposition.  
Let 
> > me illustrate what I'm proposing:
> 
> 	Anyone else with comments? Theres been a few suggestions 
around
> this sort of thing.. anyone have any other ideas on good rules for
> supressing progress bars where not needed?
> 
> 	Something like this should go in.. I can change the existing 
pref
> to be more useful.
> 
> 		jeff
> 
> > - Version 1.1      (Progress bar)
> >     - New features   (Progress bar)
> >           1- Portfolio implementation (No progress bar)
> >           2- Portfolio extraction  (No progress bar)
> >     - Issues  (Progress bar)
> >           1- Multi-dimensional items  (No progress bar)
> >           2- Name conflicts in entity searching (No progress bar)
> > - Version 1.2      (Progress bar)
> >     - New features  (Progress bar)
> >           1 - Good stuff  (No progress bar)
> >           2 - Bad stuff  (No progress bar)
> >     - Issues        (Progress bar)
> >           1 - Fix everything else  (No progress bar)
> > 
> > By having the program behave as above it becomes easier for me to 
> > track how much of each sub-task (New features, Issues) have been 
> > completed.  And by connecting the completion of each sub-task to 
the 
> > overall task (Version 1.1) progress bar I can very easily get an 
> > estimate as to how my team is doing and where we are.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Christopher Hodges
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own 
micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he 
is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_

From: chodges@f...
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:27pm
Subject: One Other Option that Would Help - Display Date

Jeff:

One other option that would helpis if Shadow could display the target 
date on the main list.  That way the user could see the due dates for 
tasks to be completed.  If you take my previous example with the 
progress bar it would look like this:

- Version 1.1     3/9/2001 (Progress bar)                         
    - New features  2/16/2001 (Progress bar)                                                       
          1- Portfolio implementation (No progress bar)                                   
          2- Portfolio extraction  (No progress bar)                                      
    - Issues  2/22/2001 (Progress bar)                                                              
          1- Multi-dimensional items  (No progress bar)                                   
          2- Name conflicts in entity searching (No progress bar)                        
- Version 1.2  4/15/2001    (Progress bar)                                                         
    - New features  4/5/2001 (Progress bar)                                                        
          1 - Good stuff  (No progress bar)                                               
          2 - Bad stuff  (No progress bar)                                                
    - Issues       4/10/2001 (Progress bar)                                                        
          1 - Fix everything else  (No progress bar)    

Thanks again,

Christopher Hodges

From: Aaron Ebata  <aebata@h...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 8:49pm
Subject: RE: Suppress Progress on Children Suggestion

I agree with Christopher!  This is would make the display much "cleaner" and
useful.

Aaron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Mitchell [mailto:support@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:26 PM
> To: shadow-discuss@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Suppress Progress on Children Suggestion
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:
>
> > One feature that would be nice if to have an option that would
> > suppress the progress on children that don't have their own children.
> > This option currently seems to be an all-or-nothing proposition.  Let
> > me illustrate what I'm proposing:
>
> 	Anyone else with comments? Theres been a few suggestions around
> this sort of thing.. anyone have any other ideas on good rules for
> supressing progress bars where not needed?
>
> 	Something like this should go in.. I can change the existing pref
> to be more useful.
>
> 		jeff
>
> > - Version 1.1      (Progress bar)
> >     - New features   (Progress bar)
> >           1- Portfolio implementation (No progress bar)
> >           2- Portfolio extraction  (No progress bar)
> >     - Issues  (Progress bar)
> >           1- Multi-dimensional items  (No progress bar)
> >           2- Name conflicts in entity searching (No progress bar)
> > - Version 1.2      (Progress bar)
> >     - New features  (Progress bar)
> >           1 - Good stuff  (No progress bar)
> >           2 - Bad stuff  (No progress bar)
> >     - Issues        (Progress bar)
> >           1 - Fix everything else  (No progress bar)
> >
> > By having the program behave as above it becomes easier for me to
> > track how much of each sub-task (New features, Issues) have been
> > completed.  And by connecting the completion of each sub-task to the
> > overall task (Version 1.1) progress bar I can very easily get an
> > estimate as to how my team is doing and where we are.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Christopher Hodges
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > shadow-discuss-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
> circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
> sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
> -- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>

From: Jeff Mitchell  <support@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:08pm
Subject: Re: One Other Option that Would Help - Display Date

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 chodges@f... wrote:

> One other option that would helpis if Shadow could display the target 
> date on the main list.  That way the user could see the due dates for 
> tasks to be completed.  If you take my previous example with the 
> progress bar it would look like this:

	Change the list to a custom view, and then enable the columns you
wish. So go to the list prefs, change the list type to Custom, and hit the
Custom button. From there you can turn on a target date column if you
like.

		jeff

> 
> - Version 1.1     3/9/2001 (Progress bar)                         
>     - New features  2/16/2001 (Progress bar)                                                       
>           1- Portfolio implementation (No progress bar)                                   
>           2- Portfolio extraction  (No progress bar)                                      
>     - Issues  2/22/2001 (Progress bar)                                                              
>           1- Multi-dimensional items  (No progress bar)                                   
>           2- Name conflicts in entity searching (No progress bar)                        
> - Version 1.2  4/15/2001    (Progress bar)                                                         
>     - New features  4/5/2001 (Progress bar)                                                        
>           1 - Good stuff  (No progress bar)                                               
>           2 - Bad stuff  (No progress bar)                                                
>     - Issues       4/10/2001 (Progress bar)                                                        
>           1 - Fix everything else  (No progress bar)    
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Christopher Hodges
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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"It's murder out there. You can't even travel around in your own micro
circuits without permission from 'Master Control Program'. I mean,
sending *ME* down here to play games.... Who does he calculate he is?"
-- Peter Jurasik as Crom, _Tron_